Victoria 3 Guide to the NEW Military in Patch 1.5 (Army)

[@basileusfang811]

there's a mod that solves no borrowing and suicidal ai offense in this patch: it simply makes defensive wins no longer reoccupy captured territory. This actually feels quite balanced because if defense reoccupy land, then defense has too much of an advantage if both sides are equal. Usually both sides ought to stay on defense as a nash equilibrium point. By not allowing defense to reoccupy, it rewards and incentivizes offense moves

[@comitatensis1853]

Name of mod please?

[@comitatensis1853]

Found it it's ""Stop Helping Me"

[@basileusfang811]

@@comitatensis1853 yeah it is that, I found it really intuitive even without the context of suicidal ai allies

[@BlueViper8907]

Man this update has made it really difficult to figure out what to do in Grand Campaigns. I united Rome as Byzantium in Eu4's latest update but trying to figure out what to do with the entirety of the Empire makes my head spin. 1.5 has turned me into a smooth brain. Prior to I was able to make Cape Colony into the entirety of Africa, now I'm lucky if I beat the Danes as Prussia 😂

[@powloganjones]

this is great! the section intros are a small change, but they add a lot to the organization/production value of the video.

[@jobo2331]

What a great video! I loved how concise yet exhaustive you explained the changes. Very minor thing: The audio could use a little improvement. Looking forward to your next video and thank you so much for this one! Extremely helpful!

[@generalistgaming]

Noted!

[@smersh007]

Is is still the case for the current version of the game that there is only 1 battle per state? And what happens to the supply reduction trait if there are multiple generals. Does it apply to all troops or just a percentage.

[@generalistgaming]

Yes to the first, not sure on the latter.

[@nashiffuadkhan9817]

I wish you could foster certain traits. cruel trails has 10 or 30% kill rate. With that you could mow down so much of the enemy and win battles.

[@hyouka_fuwa]

So basically escalate unfortunate precedents into a mass state supported genocide? That what I expect out of map players 😂 To be honest they could add it as a modifier for policy like add a new branch of "human rights" With radical law of natcism or something, for rp purposes

[@jasonbwnr2202]

I've been needing this. Thanks!

[@generalistgaming]

Happy to help!

[@kyleholcomb8115]

Thank you so much for this! I've been struggling with this 1.5 update

[@JimStorrie-v3s]

really like picking up generals with cruel plus a defensive trait for the pure infantry defender stacks. then you get a little kill rate in there without artillery. a couple of weird army things i've noticed: you can overstuff a unit with generals by merging. also you can fire generals without opinion loss by disbanding units

[@generalistgaming]

I have to double check the disbanding, I feel like I remember the tooltip saying that the general would go to a diff unit.

[@JimStorrie-v3s]

@@generalistgaming couldn't replicate it today. when i was playing on the weekend, disband unit was vaporizing generals (complete with a 'politician died' notification for each of them.) there must be some way to bug it out

[@princeofeurope3313]

Commander trait isnt work. I have commander with cruel and artillery commander, with same military tech with other country always lose at battle.

[@XemawthEvo2]

Quick question; for pushing armies, is it beneficial to have more than one of your generals set to a defensive stance? Or, since there can only be one battle per province, is it better to have a single general set to defense? Thank you, cheers

[@Al-Basha_]

while mobilizing your army you can see goods input in the barracks so I think the effects are only applied to units in that barracks even without a general

[@AH-bm5lm]

Did you know in what patch did they nerf Egypt? It used to start with 9.4M GDP, now it’s 5.5M with a way lower SoL. Ottomans didn’t get nerfed that hard so Egypt got substantially weaker.

[@generalistgaming]

It might be MAPI kicking them in the nuts

[@zoraida168]

In addition to MAPI, a few patches ago there was an update on the GDP calculation with an end product of all GDP being lower. (I think they stopped taking input goods in counting the GDP, but i may be wrong).

[@louisseulin5870]

They also nerf France quit a bit

[@arshianassiri4898]

Did they ? I'm my game France (AI) is very very stronger patch 1.59

[@besacciaesteban]

Ottomans can easily defeat egypt on year 1 (assuming gps minding their own bussines 😂) right now.

[@Omar_Sosa]

I needed this video. Thank you and greetings from Mexico

[@whiteeagle7381]

Great vid - could you lower the volume for chapter transitions? It's kinda high compared to your voice.

[@Ace_of_Black]

Some questions: 1. Where should we build barracks - all in one province or distribute them? Which provinces suited for army recruting? 2. How many divisions should be in one army - 30, 60, 80, 120? When should they be increased, and why?

[@chaospilot2142]

Also: How do I delete barracks?

[@obelius04]

@@chaospilot2142 deleting battalion deletes the barrack

[@ekothesilent9456]

@@obelius04do fucking way

[@Ace_of_Black]

Nice! Waiting for navy guide for 1.5

[@nikolababic]

Great video... I just have a question about the combat width, how is it determined, I noticed that in some fights one side has a combat width of 1000%

[@masterbuttergamer9416]

I’m so happy they let this guy get his beard back

[@Memeguy815]

I encountered a problem playing as the US where my armies are unable to find a path to fronts even when there are direct land border connections. It seems to happen every time there's a revolt in the midwestern states being colonized. Disbanding and relocating armies didn't fix the issue. Just wondering if you've encountered this before and know how to fix it.

[@generalistgaming]

I have, and I'm not sure how to fix that bug specifically. I've just been backing down to native uprisings and recolonizing them. Not too big a deal

[@Memeguy815]

That's a smart workaround, thanks! @@generalistgaming

[@alexmarin4381]

I know your comment is one year old but it's still an issue and what fixed it for me was just saving and reloading the game.

[@pchdch4452]

Interesting cavalry stuff! Wouldn't it be less cheesy to get 2 infantry 2 cavalry armies for offensive generals?

[@Naturaldanatureza10]

Generalist how can I change the name of my army, I've been looking for at least half an hour lol

[@PasOdMater]

Thanks a lot, m8! I really needed it.

[@generalistgaming]

Glad it helped!

[@alex_8658]

With the new values ​​of the mobilization option, the extra supplies, which now consume 25% more goods, is it even worth using them? Don't you end up with a losing business?

[@generalistgaming]

I feel like I responded to this but YT says I haven't. Generally wages can be really expensive, and the arms industries specifically are super efficient, so it actually might be a good source of stimulation for the economy when you get into late game.

[@Lizardo451]

Still no logistics. Sending an army to the other side of the world is the same as sending it to your neighbor. Armies can access fronts even if there is no access.

[@lyra1255]

Does the promotion rank of a general determine anything other than the cap on army troops? Or does it determine how many units they can bring into battle with them?

[@danieldpa8484]

very good system update! Thanks for the explanation

[@fapoleon22]

all my armies are stuck at 0 Command limit no matter how many commanders i hire, whats the problem? I've started a new game multiple times, reinstalled, turned off mods...

[@generalistgaming]

I've not encountered this, I'm not sure

[@albertocordovilla]

I´ve the same problem

[@Drago02129]

Great guide as always, do you plan on making a navy guide or is it too simple to need one? Not sure what a good ratio is for light/heavy ships.

[@generalistgaming]

Was planning on doing a navy guide, but need to understand it better. Really kinda dislike some of the underlying systems for navy though.

[@Drago02129]

@@generalistgaming agreed, can’t wait to see it

[@ericposey-vt5ej]

You got a like and subscribe just for the chapters. Keep it up.

[@whitefang20]

Have you noticed armies being stuck in specific areas? In my new Sikh run I can’t naval invade anywhere because my armies have no paths whether I create a new one and disband the stuck ones

[@srolesen]

I usually end up creating a new army nearby the location where pathing is "not available" and disband all the old ones in order to gain access, it really sucks though

[@wyattharrison5350]

Can anyone please explain conscription centers? Since the update I can’t build them or call up conscripts can only build barracks

[@smersh007]

Does generals’ rank influence at all how many units they take into battle?

[@codysmith1915]

I keept trying to make a new army and have no way to add units to it. Am i just glitched?

[@lomberman1156]

This is what i was waiting for, thanks :)

[@alecwebster1]

Cool I was waiting for this video

[@generalistgaming]

Hope you enjoyed it!

[@maximus5668]

Excellent video, the only thing you didn´t explain is que conscripts, what is the difference between a regular and a conscript troop

[@generalistgaming]

I think the only substantive difference relative to before is that conscripts won't have experience, but I'm actually not sure on that one.

[@felipegouveia9204]

Hi. Does anyone know how do I choose which barracks is assigned for an army

[@srenclausen8534]

Thank you, really needed this. I would like to request a video about making colonies in africa. I am danish, and as such, often play as denmark. What i noticed in 1.5, is that having a lot of land in africa real hurts the SoL, and causes problems with migration. So i tried to make all the african parts to colonies, which really hurts the gdp of my small nation. Normally i would have huge parts of niger, south africa and congo. Zanzibar is harder to colonise now since portugal has rights to it. What parts of africa is best to make colonies, and which should you keep under direct control? Thank you if possible.

[@timothyclark803]

I would like to know that too. I am American but Denmark is one of my favorites to play. I would struggle to industrialize and SoL with colonies is kind of terrible.

[@quintiax]

Hey! Thank you so much for the video, my armies are at least now doing better. One thing that I noticed when using your attack armies is that I would do 2-3 attacks that are successful, but then I start losing badly as I've depleted 80% of the manpower of the army groups. Is there a way to mitigate the losses or to make it so the manpower pool replenishes faster? I thought it might had to do something with the training method, but even after researching the next one ahead of time the issue still persisted. thanks in advance!

[@generalistgaming]

You can try reducing the ratio of generals that are attacking. Also someone told me that borrowing on offense still isn't working properly, so avoiding having small pushing armies might help. Also you can look for stuff like "Cautious Advance" that push slower too.

[@superdark336]

i dont hate the way the new army system works but i think it should either get more simplified in terms of buildings and usage, OR go whole hog with granularity (as long as it comes with a less wrist-wrenchign UI). What id love is a mix of the old system and the new one, where you build barracks in states that soldier and officer (and maybe other types of pops!) "Produce" a Force Limit you can assign units to in an area, so you dont have to break your head building individual regiments. (also an "Upgrade All" button in the Military Tab would be very nice) my least important gripe with it however is Lancers being so effective for that long into the game, as faster reloading guns should let Dragoons become much more effective and trench systems/field works turn lancers into target practice, not to mention Hussars and Cuirassiers

[@superdark336]

I personally like to RP more than i like to minmax in armies so despite it being good to use ALL mobilization options, i dont give them liquor or opium cos in a real army thats a recipe for disaster.

[@shadowbliss5589]

Thx again brother! I'm having issues with full employment since 1.5 release. If u have any ideas for a video it would be great!

[@generalistgaming]

I think this is maybe getting addressed in the hotfix coming up next week

[@jcal9151]

How to I make sure I have reserve troops? I’m confused on that mechanic

[@generalistgaming]

Not sure what you mean by reserves, there isn't a reserves mechanic

[@jcal9151]

@@generalistgaming I saw a video that if you leave units in reserve at hq like don’t send them to the front it will allow them to quickly restore the manpower of the units fighting. I just keep losing because my manpower in the fielded divisions die and they don’t get new soilders how do I fix that

[@k8k8k]

@@jcal9151 Whether an army is garrisoned in an HQ or at a front does not affect the Training Rate of the building associated with the units. An army at a front suffers 2% attrition. An army at a front also suffer from casualties from battles. So naturally an army not at a front will recover faster. The main thing you want to do for ensuring that your units and armies recover manpower is to have enough qualified Officers in the relevant states. A unit(barrack) has a ratio of Officers to Servicemen and cannot recruit Servicemen above the ratio, therefore you need qualified Officers to reach the full Training Rate (amount hired per week) of the building, since lacking Officers will prevent recruitment of Servicemen. It's important to note that aristocrats at subsistence farms do not get recruited to barracks, so you can subtract those qualifications, this is a problem for me in african colonies. The Enlistment Efforts edict also gives you an edge with +25% Training Rate. For example: You have 10 barracks, 10000 open military jobs. Your Training Rate is 200, you recruit 200 soldiers (Officers and Servicemen) a week. With the same barracks, and Enlistment Efforts edict on that state, you would recruit 250 per week (200 * 125%.) Assuming you have the same amount of units and same quality as your enemy and an even kill rate, you would eventually grind down your enemy. However if your enemy has 20 barracks and 20000 soldiers, then their weekly Training Rate would be 400 versus your 250 and they would grind you down. I hope this shed some light on your situation.

[@caroguizo]

Formation cannot reach front

[@flopus7]

Subbed. I came back to vicky 3 after the 1.5 patch and i dont recognize anything or understand the systems at all

[@generalistgaming]

Local prices are a HUGE change re meta

[@flopus7]

@@generalistgaming does infrastructure move goods? If I cant vertically integrate, is my 2nd best option to put things on coasts and use ports?

[@generalistgaming]

Infra does not provide a mapi bonus, but you might want to build on the coast if it will be a while before yo ucan get railroads@@flopus7

[@kyleholcomb8115]

Can you please explain why my armies have no path to the frontline? It's frustrating me beyond end!

[@davidlee723]

The 50% infantry malus instantly reminds me of eu4 mechanics lol.

[@marcuspmedeiros]

Guys, can we switch generals from armies? i'm getting back to the game, have no idea how even to upgrade my troopers

[@generalistgaming]

Yes, you can. UI is kinda clunky though

[@KMZArm0]

Hi mate, its possible to do portugal 1.5 ? i did some tests and i went for conquering early brazil with the help of great britain but maybe you have more insight and other strategy

[@generalistgaming]

Maybe? Still getting through a backlog of planned runs

[@okramronan]

How to do conscription in new update...

[@elicoole5028]

One thing that upsets me still is that when i ally with someone im not allowed to break the alliance for a set time but the ai can just take my obligation and break the alliance in a week and i owe them an obligation for a decade. like wtf

[@HalukOgeturk]

how to managed that force limit help

[@Drakonak]

Engines are dirty? Can anyone explain

[@winzyl9546]

If theyre gonna soft cap you for not having the correct ratio then why even have that choice? The old system of army comp worked fine, their just taking whats bad in vic2 and making it worse.

[@generalistgaming]

I mean I think the bigger problem is that borrowing invalidated the idea of formations

[@Yinzerburgh]

Lots of talk of various situations where armies can borrow troops . . . and not one example shown.

[@ErnestIsGaming]

how do you show unavailable orders on generals?

[@generalistgaming]

I think they show up if you just try to swap?

[@ErnestIsGaming]

@@generalistgaming didn't work. It's weird because I already made those orders show up before now I can't remember how anymore haha

[@RyanJosepher]

I like the dorito front line

[@portableversion]

Im curious about make puppet or dominion diplo play, i don't see that any more

[@generalistgaming]

It's gone - now you protectorate and reduce autonomy

[@portableversion]

Ahh ok, well hopfully the bring the flags back.. for me that added great head lore as my son calls it

[@ferretman6790]

Is there a mod that disables the new system?

[@generalistgaming]

Not that I know of

[@ferretman6790]

Ok thanks@@generalistgaming

[@frankargenti]

it's only my opinion or it is broken right now ?

[@nikolasmaes99]

Paradox can thank you because it got really complicated. How are we even supposed to know all that if there weren't you? Or in other words, where did you get all this from?

[@Enylia-ft2xb]

ty algorithm

[@generalistgaming]

Comment is juice for the algo god

[@jacobkaady8005]

I wish it was like heart's of iron combat

[@generalistgaming]

That'd be a lot of calculations

[@unbrokenmarshal]

navy is not created when i build the shipyard, what kind of stupid shit is that?

[@Orcram]

I don’t think reckless advance is cheese it is called Blitzkrieg.

[@generalistgaming]

Ehhhhh

[@GhostOfArtBell0935]

Is this game good yet? - Vicky 2 fan

[@johnnicholas1657]

You lost me when talking about borrowing. What do you mean borrow?

[@robertsukup3907]

One army can borrow units from another army on defense as of right now

[@Rundismutti2001]

Dude, your videos are awesome, but the sound....

[@Konskript2035]

Yay, the game is no longer absolute garbage

[@winzyl9546]

Unfortunately, it still is.

[@frenchdonut22]

Epic I lost to Joseon

[@Sleepytime_Gaming]

Came here to find out why I was being attacked by 100% artillery 😭. Thanks for the info 🫡

[@coltonbarnes7861]

Still hate the way war exaustion works

[@generalistgaming]

The 0 stopgap is awful, yeah

[@Josecannoli1209]

This is my comment part or like comment

[@generalistgaming]

There are many comments like this, but this comment is yours.

[@RyanJosepher]

If theres exploits. Then its already a broken feature. 😢

[@generalistgaming]

Idk, it's sp game - you can always just not use the exploit

[@Sonnia-dh8mr]

I think the new military system is just terrible

[@princeofeurope3313]

Commander trait is'nt work

[@RyanJosepher]

More complicated now. Somehow adding more micro for your drug addicted generals. Can't recommend

[@tinandshin1410]

fisrt comment

[@jeccentric9952]

Playing as Argentina. This game is a complete mess. the dude in charge of this game should be not just fired, but jailed. I have 5 infantry units, tried to disband one to make room for an artillery unit, but the moment I disband a unit, the barrack degrades, so it has to be expanded again which takes about two years . Instead of building anything else I have to wait for this one cause I cannot build more things at once (in what reality a country cannot build more than a thing at a time? let alone in a game). Expanding the construction sector costs a fortune, it takes forever, has little to no positive impact, but bankrupts me. Opening trade routes for every product is crazy, plus they soon turn into loss so must be micromanaged. For what? Who even created this game? He never played Victoria 2, let alone loved it, V2 is such a fun game, but with very broken economics that could have been easily fixed in a new game if the provinces could have different RGO they could switch to automatically (or manually) if the marked demanded it, plus a few other improvements. Why Paradox couldn't hire a dude that even played Victoria 2 to build on that brilliant (yet flawed) game? This is not Victoria 3, its Sh*t1. Another thing again it takes forever to build something and just press minus and they are gone in an instant. I built some government building and realized they were bankrupting me, which is crazy to thing a government administration is some province on itself will deplete the budget of an entire country (WTH is this?), but was no way to fire the employees, to open the building for hire later when the economy will grow, but we have to press minus, building gone, later wait two years again to build this, instead of building a factory, farm or mine. And not even knowing if when the new administration is full won't drive me bankrupt again. It's absolutely impossible to understand what was on the minds of the dudes that created this game. But what minds? This is not even a game, but a fraud. Looks like a game, but there's more to do and more fun watching the grass grow. In Victoria 2 you could create armies move them around, with skill win against more powerful enemies, expand, build, nothing like this here. Complete insanity.

[@generalistgaming]

I think you should spend a little more time w/ the game before forming such a strong opinion

[@jeccentric9952]

@@generalistgaming I did. They should be ashamed for releasing this thing. Such a waste of time. There nothing to do, no gameplay at all. What was in the heads of those that were in charge of this? What exactly is the gameplay in this "game"? Clicking plus sings on buildings? There's actually no game at all and definitely not Victoria 3. Victoria 2 was a broken jewel, this isn"t even broken, there's nothing to break, just clicking some random stuff, mainly plus signs on buildings and staring at the screen wasting your life. And the most ridiculous things ever like recruiting units then having to stare at the screen waiting for barracks to be built for those units, even at max speed. Then any change of composition and those barracks have to be rebuilt. In all my life of playing I never saw anything such ridiculous. It must be a new generation of game developers, the kind that never played any games, so they have no clue what a game is supposed to be.

[@epiceevee325]

…Keep in mind one of the guys who made Victoria 2 had the spreadsheets for how they did things in the economy, and at some point after Victoria 2 was released he bailed and took the sheets along with him. Victoria 3 is the result of Paradox attempting to update Victoria 2 without that very important group of sheets - and of course it’s not a perfect game, but neither is every other game. If you detest Vicky 3 so badly, just go back to Vicky 2.

[@jeccentric9952]

@@epiceevee325 Actually after playing some more and adding a mod that gives more construction points to the construction sector, V3 game is much more playable. I started to see some of its virtues too. I can see there are also many improvements to V2 although V2 is still the much better game, but broken like I said. For example in V2 once artificial dye was available I built dye plants and as I was the owner of those crowded dye producing Bengal provinces, all of the farmers remained unemployed. So I closed all the dye factories, put the tariffs to maximum, waited for months and still no demand for dye, none of the farmers got working in the dye RGO. Somehow my fabric factories were getting all their dye needs from some mysterious place and it wasn't from import. Then I payed attention the the numbers in production and trading screen etc and I couldn't believe my eyes. Totally broken for most items. Nothing adds up. Its so broken it's hilarious. Huge consumption of meat yet my meat producing provinces were unemployed, same for wool, especially for wool. Nobody seems to buy any wool although the pops consumes huge amounts, in RGOs there's nobody or close to nobody works in wool production. And it doesn't come from import. Fish seems to be broken too. And it's not about spheres or anything, I know how the game should work. Also wool should have been used in fabric factories or something. V2 is broken, unfortunately. This period is fascinating, discoveries, or sort of, colonization, diplomacy, warfare, research. Huge potential. V3 should be one of the best and best selling games out there, but unless they change a few things, it's just a missed opportunity. Anyway, Imperialism series is the other series on the same theme and is brilliant, but dated, could be so much improved too. So that's all we have on this Imperialism and Victoria series and they both left me wanting more or to have them improved. Imperialism games were better in the fact that they have randomized maps, which made them so much more repayable. One thing that Victoria lacks.