【Vic3】Turning Haiti Into A Capitalist UTOPIA

[@GuardianKikko]

Hi! Thanks for playing my mod! You can turn off a lot of the unrealistic formables by turning them of in the settings. Anyway, great video!

[@Quarbit]

thanks for making it! I've continued using it in many of my personal runs as well. I didn't realize there was an option for those formables, but I'll keep it in mind!

[@GuardianKikko]

@@Quarbit I just updated it rn to make sure all of the more out there nations are locked if you turn on the Plausible Formable Nation game rule (if think thats what its called) in the settings :)

[@allenellisdewitt]

@@GuardianKikko Nice, dude!

[@ninjoe4195]

Little pro tip for you when playing in and around Central America rush the panama canal. it will unlock the Panama canal company and that will give you a flat 50,000 tax income. It just turbo charges any of the smaller economies in the region.

[@Quarbit]

I never even considered that, thanks for the tip!

[@SereglothIV]

Is it fixed already? Or does it still only work when shipyards are prosperous?

[@12354rony]

Aren't you suppose to sell it to the Americans eventually as a third world country for a fat load of dosh?

[@rawwset]

While you are in the mood for playing obscure countries, ive got one you may not have heard of.... Vinland.

[@ECKtrain]

Can you play that in Vic 3 or is it only eu4?

[@rawwset]

@@ECKtrain Its a long standing harassment campaign to get him to play Vinland in EU4.

[@ECKtrain]

@@rawwset He really should

[@rotomfan63]

I have seen Haiti played to succes numberous times and actually paying the debt and not just hitting the "lol no" desicion button and getting a defense pact with someone huge or something is something i have not seen until now. Good on you for being able to do it and show me that i can if i want to. Might try it some day

[@alexandererhard2516]

That might have perhaps something to do with the fact that it was a lot more difficult a few patches ago. You didn't start in debt, and the payment to France was only 4 times 80k. But the Interest to France started at 4k instead, meanwhile the (new) starting internal debt only is 1.14k in his picture. That's an ~ 800£ difference at a time where you have maybe ~7000£ revenue, and if you know how impactful even a minor amount of surplus is when dealing with high-interest debt (both ingame and in real life), you can see why it got a whole lot easier. Also the ability to have nationally owned buildings and get the full profit value, or let them be privatized to pay off lump sums of your internal debt helps of course, both of which were not present in the previous big Patch.

[@rotomfan63]

@@alexandererhard2516 Yeah, actually those are really good things for Haiti. The update had so much impact on so many things and how you play in so many i can see how something like how 1 country benefits a lot from it could slip past me. And yeah Haiti's debt before this patch was basically impossible. That's why whenever you saw it played, FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED, was "Fuck that debt" button getting clicked.

[@alexandererhard2516]

@@rotomfan63 Understandable. I tried it once, and don't think I would have done it without eventually GB inviting me into their customs union, meaning I could just freely activate all good pms without having to carefully balance trade routes and bureaucracy use. I also find it hilarious that the "debt to France interest" got nerfed hard. Previously, a 320k debt with 4k weekly was a horrifying 65% annual interest. Even insignificant unrecognized powers only have to pay 40% on their debt. Now, 2M with 2k weekly interest is a 5.2% interest, that's better than a Great Power without Laissez-Faire gets at game start, including France itself! If the game would allow me to take out another 500k for 500 weekly I'd happily take that and consider it development aid lol.

[@kaisercat7720]

This is fate, new quarbit vid the *moment* I sit down to eat

[@primiera1484]

the vanilla game's west indies tag can't be formed by haiti because it's based on the time they tried to federate the british colonies in the carribean, but i agree there should be a pan-carribean formable

[@ChayGrice]

I'm not usually a fan of "Male VTubers" but I am a fan of PDX Games and you're voice seems nice. I can see why KZbin put you in my recommend! Nothing over the top, no screaming or shouting, your model doesn't take up 50% of the screen. and the background music is just right!

[@drakan4769]

"reverse partition of ireland is not real it can't hurt you" reverse partition of ireland: 34:47

[@kybelia]

in a way you remind me of ISP, because i like watching your videos the same way i used to watch his, making you my favorite paradox youtuber ❤

[@SereglothIV]

One perk of not having Sphere of Influence DLC is that France and USA always create trade leagues, so I can always join either of these power blocs for the customs union without the risk of subjugation. Which is pretty nice as a small poor backwater nations enjoyer 😆

[@mysterium1a315]

Not gonna lie, ich basically watch every EU4/Vic3 Video you make

[@Miodoe3]

Fun fact: Haiti is still paying france money, and in 1911, the US invaded Haiti because they defaulted on paying france

[@medisty.]

didnt Haiti pay it already (i am well aware that the debt's effects are still plaging Haiti and its people to this day)

[@YtseJammed]

@@medisty.Haiti paid off the initial indemnity forced on them by the Bourbons however they're still paying off the loans they took to do so.

[@JethroBulmer]

Based America

[@andrewgreenwood9068]

And people wonder why I don't like France.

[@theminingsage]

@@JethroBulmer 12 year old spotted

[@cz85]

For people interested in Haitis plight, please know that the debt was based on property the French lost during Haitis independence. That property being people. They had to basically chop down all of their trees to make basic payments. At the same time they were not able to export to the USA because southern plantation owners were afraid the radical idea freedoms from slavery will hurt their bottom line. USA is also more closely aligned with France at this time. The French are also complicit in modern colonialism in modern Africa in their former colonies via currency control. Point is to give more context to some of the poorest countries in the world and fight against the notion that just because slavery ended 200 years ago that there isn’t injustices still happening today, nor do the lingering effects are gone completely

[@redcrown5154]

(they could have built something by now)

[@goatpapayt2294]

@@redcrown5154 ( the debt I believe was payed off during the 2000's that's how much it was and it was paying to not be enslaved something people shouldn't have to pay for)

[@hueylong3918]

Haiti genocided the white population of the country, even those who helped them or welcomed them with open arms. They slaughtered them and put on their clothes in a mockery of civilization, to which they remain to this day.

[@Byzantine-Revolt]

They also received billions in aid throughout their state's existence (about half of their debt to France) which their leaders squandered totally. You could go on & on about the failures of the nation of Haiti went through but blaming just the colonial actors isn't telling the whole truth corruption & general insanity of ideology plagued the young republic.

[@goatpapayt2294]

@@Byzantine-Revolt ah yes how to establish a stable democracy /state as soon as they get free burden them with a massive debt that they won't be able to pay off easily. 2 watch as political instability follows as economic conditions worsen (by the turn of the 1900 century you are paying 80% of your income to french debt)3. No dictators will ever promise to fix everything and fail after they come to power 4. This is like weimer germany but smaller and even worse are you kidding me

[@SWarrss]

Yesss finally some more Vic3! Nive video as always dude

[@DaserTheGamer]

Well now you have to form the United States of Europe. (Democracy HRE)

[@Mr_Valentin.]

They should've never revolted against France.

[@benzelmer8111]

They were slaves? If you’re going to criticize Haiti, criticize their governments and leaders instead of the actual good stuff.

[@vonelgamer3071]

Being poor is better than being a slave

[@miguelpadeiro762]

Nah, props to Haitians for pulling the only successful slave revolt in history

[@viorp5267]

It's funny how the debt is portrayed as really big when in reality it was just 2 years of the income Haiti provided to France pre-independance.

[@alexandererhard2516]

I don't know the real life details but interestingly that might fit a bit better with the pre-1.7 implementation of Haiti's debt: Pre 1.7, Haiti started with no internal debt, and owed only 320k to France. But it came with a horrifying 4k weekly interest, which (assuming 52 weeks/year) represents a 65% annual interest rate, even unrecognized insignificant powers only have to pay 40% at game start. That was very hard to climb out of, I think I only managed it due to GB inviting me into their customs union, allowing me to use better production methods. AI Haiti would just default over and over every 1-2 years. With 1.7 it would get massively easier, by giving you 2M debt, but only 2k weekly payments, and starting in debt with another 1,2k internal payments. If you've ever made calculations about paying off debts, you know that just ~800 less expenses (compared to a revenue of maybe 6k?) can make a massive difference. Government constructed buildings now being nation-owned also helps out Haiti a lot. Funnily enough 2k weekly interest on 2M debts is a 5.2% yearly interest rate, which is better than Great Powers have at game start! If the game would allow me to take another 500k for 500 weekly, I'd consider it development aid and happily take it lol.

[@alexandererhard2516]

The AI also, as far as I have seen, can manage to pay off this new debt successfully, after defaulting once on their internal debt which then tends to result in a positive balance quite easily.

[@foreng3095]

Would you play Basileia Rhomaion or Divergences some day? 👀 Also calling Carthage formable unrealistic, you trying to start beef with Laith? xD

[@Byzantine-Revolt]

Haiti without corrupt leadership:

[@Quarbit]

I can assure you that my wealth voting, laissez-faire, free trade haiti has extensive bribery from corporate interests

[@Byzantine-Revolt]

@@Quarbit At least your heart is in the right place.

[@JethroBulmer]

LMAO

[@Mr_Valentin.]

​@@JethroBulmerI love your pfp lil bro

[@biggybrolunch3809]

Either buggy or lucky, I found that unilaterally cancelling the debt had no downsides. UK invited me to their power block but never forced me to be a subject, and France never attacked.

[@user-lz2oh9zz4y]

"The Brazilian Military Revolt of 1889" He's doing a historical gameplay

[@DondarfSnowbonk]

"River Plate" is a calque of "Rio Plata".

[@Sjnuffelke]

You can remove your decrees for a bit to get a +25% enactment speed bonus from excess authority. That would've helped with the total separation timeline I think.

[@Eugene_of_Theodoro]

After finally getting around to watching this after a week of it being out, it caused me to buy vic 3. I'm easy to influence

[@sirdiamondzz]

Stumbling upon this video because I am trying to play as Haiti to release Santo Domingo but running into issues and was wondering if you had any advice for early game decisions to make.

[@wiel5908]

its sad to see that even after 200 years haiti still not manage to get its shit together, i know there's a myriad of reasons for that but yeah

[@Woeno]

Weirdly I've also done a Haiti run, built a trade empire in the Caribbean and Central America but its a bit rough resource wise iirc

[@Im_The_Immortal_Snail]

Sovereign empire doesn't let you get vassalised or leave for 5 years so you can just leave after those 5 years it aint that bad to join one Also getting someone in your war with a war goal doesn't give you infamy it gives the one your getting in the war the infamy.

[@refatkam246]

If i can form the holy roman empire i think i should be able to form carthage

[@sulfie46]

Like Quarbit and like vicky3. Great video!

[@nevergaid3295]

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[@wtyatays1748]

AFAIK or more like AFAI played, AI-led countries that are a sovereign empire power bloc leader never subjugate the player, ive played this game a bunch and i always join either the russian or british power bloc when playing a minor power and i was never subjugated, if you want extra certainty then you can just wait until you become a major power

[@thebadstation8416]

Man I want to know how to play this game but i dont even know where to start

[@oneboy153]

Why dont just post more Anbennar? I would watch it every day, noone else is posting it

[@Quarbit]

if I only made anbennar videos, I'd probably go insane

[@luisangel444]

Why not as dominican republic with modern borders?

[@thekommex4831]

"River Plate" 😂

[@bobface7974]

As a Haitian seeing you take over my husband's country of Uruguay and Brazil was so based

[@Nlwalker487]

lol Capitalist utopia is an oxymoron. I will relent that in Victoria 3 it's possible

[@miguelpadeiro762]

John Victoria took the trickle-down-economics pill

[@OrlovKruskayev]

Nice

[@ForeskinGaming911]

Quarbit pwease do mongolia in vic3

[@Quarbit]

that sounds miserable, I might just have to

[@goddy9453]

Dwarvesssssssss

[@konplayz]

Where anbennar? 😡

[@Quarbit]

relax bro it's being worked on if you really want to watch it, it'll be available for early access on patreon within a week, and likely public within 2 weeks

[@kybelia]

i think he was trying to be funny​@@Quarbit

[@Quarbit]

@@kybelia I hope so, but it's really hard to read intent over the internet

[@kybelia]

@@Quarbit i agree, i find that people without profile pic sometimes sounds more angry than others? ig bc they look like bots

[@konplayz]

@@kybeliabeep beep boop?

[@MeadowGaze]

What mod is this?

[@smirkyshadow4152]

I'd personally recommend the "Formable Nations: Plus" mod, as it's just the best formable nations mod in Vic3 by far it also has a Caribbean formable among a lot of other formable The best part of it is it has different Flags for each formable for different government types (monarchy, republic, communist, etc)