Are The NECRONS Too OVERPOWERED? | Warhammer 40K

[@NkGaming-1101]

Eldar: We worship our gods Chaos: We sacrifice to our gods Necrons: We enslaved our gods

[@HappilyHomicidalHooligan]

Souldn't that be: Necrons: We turned our Gods into (Un)Holy Hand Grenades...

[@rhodes3983]

Imperium: We worship our god and sacrifice to him

[@korathias]

@@rhodes3983 Even though he nuked a world for doing it before and explicitly said they shouldn't.

[@rhodes3983]

@@korathias Sadly the people who witnessed this are mostly all dead now. And the populace of the Imperium of the 41st (or 42nd) millenium does not know anything of those events.

[@korathias]

@@rhodes3983 this is why the emperor needs to be removed from the chair or the chairs needs to be fixed

[@BeepBoopFriendo]

The Necron are definitely the oversized engine at the head of the OP train, but I don't think it breaks the lore. They're a relic of the War in Heaven, an event that outweighs the current 40K wars and the Horus Heresy to an incomprehensible scale. They represent the Lovecraftian, unknowable ancient power in the same way that the Tyranids do. They'll never reach that full potential again because, just like Tolkein's Arda, the story of 40k is about the cyclical regression of civilisations. All they have, all they'll ever have, are those remnants.

[@GenerationFilms]

I appreciate the thoughtful comment!

[@BeepBoopFriendo]

@@GenerationFilms No worries, it was a damn good video,

[@Kevc00]

Like everything in 40k they are op as fuck and could conquer the galaxy but are held back by something which in the case of the necrons is simply that most of them are dormant

[@JeanLucCaptain]

@@GenerationFilms NECRONS are basically the Borg of 40k. Best you can hope is to slow them down. Also TYRANIDS are insanely OP for much of the same reasons.

[@salvadorespinoza7787]

well until the silent king returned and started waking up more and more necron tomb worlds

[@mikewaterfield3599]

They defeated a creator race, and turned their gods into pokemon. Yeah they are OP. Welcome to the grim dark, now embrace oblivion. 40K is turning Big E into an actual god. Limits are for losers.

[@randomblacktemplar738]

Logar: just as planned Tzeentch: wait, what?

[@4pplypr3ssure]

@@randomblacktemplar738 holy shit headcannon now

[@electricfeverx976]

They're lore reason for being OP is cause the First War in Heaven. The war that made the Big E look like a grunt

[@Danielbode14]

Lol something OP in Warhammer 40k

[@josephmoffatt4696]

Also they have time-travel.

[@bobisconsumed520]

The only thing more powerful than the Necrons is plot armor and even thats fading in the 40k universe.

[@johnleathers5945]

Bruh you seen that Comic where Calgar rips a HUGE demons head off? Plot armor is alive and well

[@khahinmetameta7826]

@@johnleathers5945 truth in universe and not the first either

[@JonathanFlexx]

@@johnleathers5945 Space marines can do that with a couple of power fists, for 40k it's not really exagerrated. Add to that Calgar is one of the most experienced space marines ever.

[@nofuxgivens2797]

@@JonathanFlexx ultramarines and Abbadon have 100% plot armor. 13 crusades in which he failed all. Marneus has killed avatars, swarm lords and demon princes. Like Cassius, he always gets wrecked but never dies. Ventris....Titus....

[@lynnusuk2092]

@@JonathanFlexx the daemon’s head he ripped off was a lord of skull that has the same height and size as a knight maybe even bigger in width, it’s something he shouldn’t have able to do even with power fists, not mention by himself cause the panel of him ripping off its head has no indication that the air support he called in put a dent in the neck. And before someone say it, kharn the chosen champion of khorne did defeat a titan yes but he killed the crew inside not ripping it apart using his barehands

[@akumaking1]

The War of Heaven makes the “current” setting look like a pillow fight

[@fguocokgyloeu4817]

I like to imagine that 60 million years ago there were dozens of times at least as many planets as in 40,000 AD. The fact that the Imperium can control a quarter of the galaxy and only a million worlds, where in our reality we estimate they should have 100 billion, to me is testament to that most of the galaxy has already been destroyed.

[@AwankO]

@@fguocokgyloeu4817 or waiting for rediscovery.... whenever things become more.... peaceful 😅.

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

Xeelee and Photino Birds: "Nice Tea Party you guys are having there."

[@no2party]

@@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847 Downstreamers: Oh look, the Upstreamers are playing in the sandbox again.

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

@@no2party Downstreamers: "It's over, losers! We have the *INFINITE GROUND!"*

[@Deathpenalty66]

Necrons are definitely OP, but they aren't without their negatives. They aren't united, and many of them are insane. Many are falling to the flayer virus or the destroyer virus and they don't really know why. As well, being machines, some of them lack creativity. The lower tier necrons are physically incapable of creativity or initiative. Also Trazyn is top 3 best characters

[@electricfeverx976]

Don't forget Zandrekh, the Dementia ridden Tactical Genius

[@FlayedFather]

The Destroyer thing isn’t a virus, they went insane from Biotransference and under the master programs of Lords, Overlords, and Phaeron’s all using them as weapons, twisted their minds into only caring about destruction, making them augment themselves even when not in battle

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

Well thank you.

[@severdislike4222]

@@electricfeverx976 A quote from said tatical genius, "Even if we all ceased to be flesh and blood millions of years ago, which of course I don’t believe for a moment,’ - Zahndrekh actually winked - ‘wouldn’t it have suited us better to live in denial of that, as some fools might say I had done? Wouldn’t it be better, Obyron, just to accept our fate, and enjoy immortality for the everlasting life of merry campaigning it has proved to be?" Severed, by Nate Crowley - The black library. Cheeky shit is using it as a coping mechanism. Their bodyguard, Obyron, has severe ptsd from the war in heaven and the biotransference itself.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

The Necron's biggest weakness is that the side effects of bio-transference and spending 60 million years in stasis have resulted in creeping insanity in various forms - the Destroyer Madness being one such expression but far from the only one - that is consuming their species. The ability to blow up stars with a flick of the wrist doesn't help you when your own mind is betraying you. The severity of the insanity that afflicts different Necron Phaerons and Nemesors varies but it can very easily leave them unable to respond to the tactical and strategic situation unfolding around them because they are seeing something totally different from that which is actually happening. Having the power of a god is not an automatic win if you are a senile god. It is because of this spreading corruption of their minds that the Necrons spend so much time abducting and vivisecting members of the organic races of the galaxy - they are looking for a way to return to the flesh to halt the madness that is consuming their species, and for that they need potential host species or the genetic material to engineer such a species. Obliterating whole solar systems at a time doesn't help them in that goal. For all their power, the Necrons are undone by hidden internal flaws and weakness. The balance for their hyper technology is there, you just have to look for it in their lore. The same is true for most 40K factions. The Craftworld Eldar possess extreme technology and skill in battle but are a dying race. The Dark Eldar also possess incredible technology, great skill, and a higher birth rate than their Craftworld cousins, but are constantly having to fend Slaanesh off from eating their souls. The Imperium possess incredibly vast military power but is terribly misgoverned as a society and has varying technology levels and a degree of technological stagnation outside the influence of Belisarious Cawl. The Orks are extremely numerous and have the ability to bend the laws of physics to make their technology work when it shouldn't, but they also fight one another as much a they fight anyone else. The Chaos Gods possess vast, reality warping power but are duplicitous and contentious by nature and so each always undermines the efforts of the others since that is core to their being. The Tau have sophisticated technology and an ideology that unites them but lack strong enough standing military forces and sufficient production capacity to compete with the other factions, and are painfully naïve about how dangerous the galaxy they inhabit truly is. And the Tyranids are the most numerous of all the factions, have incredibly fast guided evolution and a Hive Mind that is the most powerful psychic force in the setting and offers a total purity and unity of purpose to the Swarm, but it is not in any way emotionally invested in the war and will always make a rational cost/benefit analysis of the amount of biomass that can be gained set against that which will be lost in any invasion, and if that analysis shows the invasion is a false economy they will simply move on to look for other feeding grounds,. That predictability of behaviour can be used by their enemies, and a sufficiently determined defence that continues beyond the point of reason can often lead to the Tyranids just leaving to look for easier pickings elsewhere. 40K factions are monstrously OP compared to most other sci fi universes, but they are actually surprisingly well balanced against one another for the most part, each having their own strengths and weaknesses that become clear from the lore if you pay attention and offer a route by which even the strongest of them can be defeated by a canny adversary.

[@brandonforrester9729]

I mean if big E used some of those stcs he has then the tables become much more fair.

[@korathias]

Still hope that the Tyranids are the last race created by the ancient ones and will bring about a new war in the heavens with the ancient ones unifying all their creations against the necrons.

[@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954]

@@korathias I must admit I go the other way - I don't want the Tyranids to be connected to the Milky Way galaxy or its inhabitants at all. I think they work better as a legitimately extra-galactic threat that brings more of a cosmic horror sensibility to the faction. An ancient species that has preyed upon galaxies for billions of years and for whom the conflict in the 40K galaxy has no particular significance - it is all just another feeding ground to them.

[@japaroads]

Well said

[@davidlister7590]

@@gregorygreenwood-nimmo4954 I like the whole theory that the Nids are running away from some kind of enemy so powerful there unable to do anything but run. This would all so be a good reason as to why there avoiding the Necrons another enemy there unable to counter or just far to costly to try and fight.

[@zenmindgamer]

Some other OP fun facts about necrons: 1) Because all their pilots are part of the vehicles themselves they're capable of radical aerial maneuvers that would kill an organic pilot; think going 5k mph in one direction then, without any deceleration, going 5k mph in the reverse. 2) They have vehicles with engines designed to emit shrill pitches that cause mass hallucinations and such profound dread that enemy combatants are known to commit suicide and attack each other before combat even begins. This one is probably the most ridiculous. 3) Tying in with their phase technology, there's a Necron bomber that wields a suspended anti-matter warhead that the Necron are able to (dis)engage at will. This means that even if an enemy were to miraculously pick out this vessel amid others destroying it won't cause the nuke to go off among Necron forces. Necron are able to phase this warhead to other vessels if the ship carrying it does happen to go down. Lastly, once the nuke is detonated, despite the payload being anti-matter, Necron are totally unaffected by the resulting explosion as it passes through them as if they're immaterial.

[@tomasbm4423]

Another one i heard of goes like this: a necron sniper will make you his target and he will put a sort of beacon on you so he doesn’t lose you. The thing is that the beacon shines across 5 different dimensions so even if you were on the opposite end of the galaxy he would still be able to see you.

[@zenmindgamer]

@@tomasbm4423 Aye, their Deathmark can essentially take a shot at you from anywhere once they've got you locked on.

[@blacknwhitegray1641]

​@@zenmindgamer and lol they can freely teleport at will anywhere 😂 good luck out running them

[@ChaserYohmoi]

I suggest reading the novel "the Infinite and the Divine" it's a novel written from the perspective of the necrons Trazin and Orkin and only them no imperial perspective. Gives a good account of how they see things and how some of there stuff works

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

Also involves a completely overpowered fight that involves throwing Galaxies worth of mass, and using planets as shields.

[@sorindumitrascu4423]

Necrons played with pokemons 60 million years before humans, let that sink in

[@Kiiranov]

godlike Pokemons at that

[@jack-exzolt9858]

I'm not letting it in.

[@gametut2012]

@@jack-exzolt9858 let the sink in

[@theragingwarcat1410]

Their falling is that they are fractured, mostly asleep, and possibly insane. Sure if they all awoken at the same time they’d be unstoppable but that’s not what happened

[@goodbodha]

They would also need to be unified. If they all woke up it is very likely that between pre existing factions and insanity they would promptly go straight to a civil war. At that point it would be interesting to see how all the other factions react. How would the chaos faction react if the necrons decide to kidnap a chaos God and use him as a battery for a new mega weapon? So many ways the necrons could be the ultimate villains that force all the other factions to react. Unified necrons awoke would wreck the lore so I don't see that happening.

[@severdislike4222]

@@goodbodha The return of Szarekh, The Silent King to the scene has somewhat.... complicated things.

[@kremlguard9544]

Szarekh the Silent King has returned to the fold.

[@theragingwarcat1410]

@@kremlguard9544 and is being opposed by the stormlord

[@bgcvetan]

With everyone super overpowered, no one will be. - 40k in a nutshell. Besides if the Emperor ever managed to raise from his golden toilet due to muscle spasms, the galaxy would be destroyed by a new eye of terror.

[@Infamouse33333]

It's more likely he dies and becomes another Chaos God. Unless they retconned that too.

[@brandonforrester9729]

@@Infamouse33333 he is a perpetual he cannot die unless he soul is destroyed which is very hard because even though he isn't as powerful as the chaos gods his souls birth destroyed every daemon in the warp in golden flame thus no one felt daemons for a few hundred years.

[@detonater7441]

More like the suggsverse

[@electricfeverx976]

@@Infamouse33333 he'll probably reincarnate after death and his spirit will inhabit a new form.

[@L0stEngineer]

Grand inquisitor, what shall we do?!? Inquisitor: initiate Exterminatus! Um, inquisitor, that's kinda the problem, the necrons are dead to begin with. Inquisitor: hmmmmm, have my servitor fetch me my brown pants.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

"But do dead things move? No. So obey."

[@PreacherwithoutaPulpit]

Above all Necrons want to return to bodies of flesh and return free will to their subjects. To do this they will need vessels and that is what some believe is the main reason they have not simply wiped out humanity as a whole. They will need them if they ever hope to regain what they lost when their gods betrayed them. Prior to that they were humanoid in form and not that far from human. At least that's what some have come to believe who've studied the lore of this verse...

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

The tau a better

[@undeadstormblade9337]

How would they use humanity as a vessel ? Like possession or something along those lines ? I'm curious.

[@wickedAberration]

@@undeadstormblade9337 they're trying to figure that out.

[@SeraphimRoad]

@@undeadstormblade9337 "Necron Pariahs are crafted from the symbiosis of Necron technology and human evolution, specifically those carrying the Pariah Gene. Pariahs resemble artificial beings, radiating a sense of menace and horror to those nearby. Due to their soulless nature, Pariahs blot out psychic emanations and infuse those around them with a sense of their own mortality." But the Necrons stopped the experimentation of humans and discontinued the Pariahs for reasons unknown

[@RevantheBlack]

“ThIS ViDeO CoNtAiNs DiSpUtEd InFoRmAtIoN aBoUt ThE cHaOs GoDs!” Not going to lie, I laughed pretty hard at that one

[@warhammer1299]

Unless your the imperial guard we didn’t have any fancy-schmancy overpowered weapons we have two lasgun and a bayonet for ever platoon and we’d have to share the bayonet

[@celtichistory]

And yet still win at the end of the day

[@brandonforrester9729]

I mean the lasgun is also way more op than other universes standard weapons

[@bruisedfrog]

Calm down store exclusive Catachan commander Johnson

[@andrew-paulclements1502]

@@brandonforrester9729 I always love how people call Lasguns "flashlights" when a lasgun shot pretty much creates a micro-explosion capable of severing limbs on an unarmored target.

[@AFnord]

@@brandonforrester9729 That really depends on what fluff you end up reading. When you read the specs for lasguns they're extremely OP, but in action, in most fluff that I've read, they're roughly on par with a modern rifle, and actually slightly behind the autogun in terms of stopping power (though makes up for that by the fact that a battery holds ~100 shots, so there's fewer logistical issues associated with it).

[@jjm3529]

You thought this was OP for the Necrons? In Canon, * Ahmontekh destroyed a planet with his Warscyth alone.He also made his Tombworld in the centre of a star. * The Breath of The Gods,a Necron device,almost destroyed the Universe when used incorrectly. *A C’tan shard of the deceiver threw a Black hole with the mass of several galaxies at Orikan(who became a C’tan shard like creature due to a lucky alignment),who then proceeded to open a wormhole to some other part of the universe to dispose of it. *And these aren’t even the best weapons they have.

[@Lahiss]

"How overpowered we should make the Necrons?" "Yes."

[@wardentraijnor5660]

Considering one Triarch Stalker and one Doom Scythe wiped out my entire Guard army aside from the armor in one turn, yes, Necrons are OP.

[@reclusiarchgrimaldus1269]

Oof

[@michaelchaney2336]

A guard army died? Send another.

[@wardentraijnor5660]

@@michaelchaney2336 I would have but my marine detachment was tabled before I could send in reinforcements.

[@leiziru9642]

Guess the Scythe was yelling louder than the Psyker.

[@De_Chappo]

American Ben: Necrons are op Me: *Dawn of war: dark crusade flashback*

[@wertaiman4216]

I remember when i use Necrons and remember when i got wrecked by Necrons

[@starhaven1881]

*self kill necron units rebuild to force limit, Mass res on the old pile of units, Have more units that force limit allows laugh in victory*

[@loganpharis6747]

That game was my first impression of necrons so I was hard for me to take then seriously in the lore after that

[@axza9590]

I mean, just loom at the forerunners from HALO or anything in Dr who

[@wertaiman4216]

@@axza9590 The Daleks and the Time lords would win but The Forerunners would lose againts Necrons

[@RedArmyShogun]

When the planet starts glowing green and laughing in space Egyptian.

[@undeadstormblade9337]

*mashes Exterminatus button*

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

*Suggestion:* Top Alien Species that resemble Humans.

[@steveadams2911]

Aren't most species humanoid: eldar, necrons, orcs etc only maybe Tyranids and chaos aren't (at times) but even the Hrud are humanoid to a degree in their general shape.

[@Connor.SG-1Ring]

@@steveadams2911 I'm talking about alien species that are nearly indistinguishable in appearance to humans, and not just being humanoid.

[@Commander2145Update]

@@Connor.SG-1Ring Have to say the Thargoids from Elite have to be the most alienlike race i've seen so far

[@Hysteresis.Actual]

It'd be either the Timelords or the Culture. Technically both are indistinguishable in appearance from humans. But Timelords have a different internal biology. The Culture have also had their biology messed with, but they technically were human-like to begin with, and still look human on the outside.

[@KingOfMadCows]

The Ancients from Stargate. Easily traveling between galaxies and seeding life wherever they go. When things go bad, build a device that can create life across an entire galaxy. When things get worse, ascend to a higher plane of existence and become godlike energy beings.

[@palpadur1112]

the Necrons have a secret weapon that many have forgotten about: Bio-transference. it is how the Nectontyr became the Necrons, it works exactly like the Biobliterator in Ratchet and Clank 3, turning organic beings of any kind and race into robots. the Pariah unit from Dark Crusade and Soulstorm as an example. and yes, there are conversions, artworks, and a few memes of Space Marines (mostly Iron Hands from what i've seen) being turned into Necron Space Marines.

[@leiziru9642]

Dam I miss Pariah models.

[@magearamil8626]

It is redacted, no longer canon

[@mannofdober873]

On the flipside, Necrons have a very strict code of war they follow when in the presence of worthy foes. Unfortunately, there aren't many of those around these days, and the definition of "worthy" is entirely up to the Lord/Overlord in charge.

[@kerbodynamicx472]

“The Expanse isn’t high on those lists because it was realistic” but what about the proto-molecule? Bioengineering tool that can make people near-unkillible superhumans. Physics-defying inertialess system than can accelerate an asteroid faster than any ship, portal to star systems across the universe, changing physical constants in the ring space, billion year old planet-wide structures. These are quite on par with Necrons

[@tau-5794]

Sounds like they're more on par with Mass Effect.

[@kremlguard9544]

Necrons have all of that. World Engines, Time Travel, Antimatter meteors, Time arrows, Transdimensional guns, Transdimensional assassins, C'tan shards, Molecule breaking musical instruments, Dolmen Gates, Phase technology, Inertialess drives etc. etc

[@leepreston9637]

What makes you think we Christians haven't made a Jesus bomb.

[@miamijules2149]

Damn right we have....

[@GenerationFilms]

👀

[@michaelchaney2336]

Jesus is logos which is the basis of logic. The better you are at logic. The more you can quantify reason. When you can quantify the differences in reason made by your existence, then you get a blade of reason same weapons angels use. A Christian upgrading to nuke scale is possible. Jesus said if you have faith, then you can throw mountains into the sea. Nukes throw mountains of dirt into the air called mushroom clouds.

[@chumbucket9442]

Bring in the holy hand grenade

[@andrew-paulclements1502]

It just healed the wounded, brought life back to the soil, and instilled a common feeling of love and brotherhood among those affected While also doing +70*70 Holy Damage to Demons in the area. So wasn't really too great of a weapon of war

[@darkreflection9087]

Everything in Warhammer 40K is op it’s kinda it’s thing

[@Hysteresis.Actual]

Meh, they are about as powerful as you can still be while making killing something horrifying and unnecessarily cruel. There are of course factions in sci-fi that make anthing in WH40k look like primitives, eg Xeelee, Culture or, in more popular culture, Time Lords. But past a certain points, firepower becomes so powerful, as to be more coldly efficient, and therefore less horrifying.

[@eddproductions6989]

He literally said that in the start of the video

[@Hysteresis.Actual]

@@eddproductions6989 Ironically, what is said in the video, taken literally, is just incorrect, they are definitely not even remotely close to 'the most OP universe of all'. It's just they've just been pitted against a very limited (though very popular) list of sci-fi universes, who are in terms of sci-fi factions... pretty weak. I guess the very powerful factions don't easily make for good movies/tv. Wh40k however, approaches the limits to how powerful a faction can be while still making warfare horrifying.

[@hsundthhzthn985]

No shit pal

[@-JustHuman-]

@@Hysteresis.Actual Time lords lost their war, and they are really not impressive given that they had to take the power from a alien child. They would lose to many of the races in 40K, simply because they are more brutal or have weirder powers. Never heard of the Xeelee, but seen the wiki and they sound kinda like the old ones the Necrontyr and Ctans killed of, and given humans actual can fight them I am guessing most would give that a try in 40K to, it's not like a black hole have really hold them back much in 40K anyways. And there is the whole gods angle too.

[@wertaiman4216]

Anything: exist Trazzyn the Infinte : hippity hoppity you are now my property

[@DocWolph]

The Necron are the NIGHTMARE of the WH40K universe. They all but won "The War in Heaven", only because the Aeldari and Krokks worked together to fight them (something that is impossible to replicate now). They did not forget anything nor truly degenerate from the height of their powers. Only their numbers limit their power to reign over the galaxy. Even the Orks are not prepared or capable of fighting a new "War in Heaven" which the Necron would gladly wage if they weren't so impossibly patient. Only the Tyranids stand a real chance against the Necrons at their full power and it would be little more than throwing dry leaves into a blast furnace. Finally, WH40K is only stupidly OP because of the scale of things, the sheer vagary, and willful inconsistency of what they can actually do. Much like DC Comics before "The New 52". Honestly, I think the animated short series "Astartes" shows most clearly what we can expect from most WH40K's Space Marines.

[@justifan]

The "New Earth" mid-80's version of DC Comics was good for perhaps the first decade, then it got weird. It started with careful attention to detail, continuity, and believability. Superman could lift maybe only a small mountain or island at best, and then be exhausted, breathing heavily, his suit soaked in sweat; and maybe fly to the moon and back. The "New 52" Superman could lift the equivalent of the Earth for a week, and then only a single drop of sweat?! Also, I heard that he travelled at trans-light speed through the galaxy for 6 months before arriving back at Earth! (Unless something changed that I am not aware of.) Was the New 52 Supes really that powerful?

[@casbot71]

Apparently even the Tyranids avoid the Necrons … For now.

[@Lahiss]

Tyranids need biological matter to propagate and evolve themselves. Necrons, being beings made from steel, are lacking on that department.

[@Marth667]

So typical the most dangerous factions don't beat the shit out of each other. The imperium needs to make a psychonic beacon and plant it on tomb worlds to attack the nids to them. Then break out the tea and biscuits over a job well done.

[@Jadguy24]

No biomass a genestealer on a tomb world would probably die of starvation

[@mortyjhones4068]

Not true anymore, the necrons and the tyranids figt just a quickly as any oter races, its just tat the desolate barren tomb world jenraly have othing to bring them into contact with each other. mess about with the stus quo in any way and then the fir starts to fly, bigtime

[@DrJaegern]

Isn’t the silent king’s whole thing about killing nids?

[@arvintob]

you missed the Tyranids, a species powerful enough that the SIlent King was forced to return to the Milky Way

[@BizzLeVrai]

they need to be OP, They are the "winner" of the war in heaven.

[@Grubnar]

They sure are ... now taste the ashes of victory!

[@loganpharis6747]

Necrons lowkey shouldn't exist

[@An_Ian]

winner is a strong word Survivor is the better word

[@Rubicon373]

No limits, otherwise it's not 40k, so bring on the crazy train! This message was brought to you by team Necrons and AdMech.

[@arhumzia6360]

Warhammer is made by a Russian squatting on a skateboard on a bullet train drinking vodka mixed with all drugs on earth. This is how crazy Warhammer is.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Warhammer is the outlet of repressed brittish rage

[@arhumzia6360]

@@mikewaterfield3599 lol

[@antonycharnock2993]

@@mikewaterfield3599 A group of repressed nerds sitting in a warehouse in Nottingham living out their revenge fantasies.

[@mikewaterfield3599]

@@antonycharnock2993 I resemble that remark, except it’s the Chesapeake for me.

[@orkhepaj]

nope

[@spiritvdc5109]

"Warhammer 40k is the most OP universe of all" ...the Xeelee would like a word with you xDD

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

The Xeelee are not more powerful than 40k.

[@sagebiddi]

Me out loud: "HA! I knew that decimate meant that. Back in Roman times they---" My roommate and her boyfriend just look up and blink at me mid chew Me : *bows head and goes to my room* Rm bf : "He is SUCH a weird black dude"

[@matthewturgoose5137]

Since the necrons are mostly soulless, apart from the most senior and high ranking of the royal courts, the actions of an entire dynasty are often just controlled by one or a few beings, this sort of balances them out a small amount, since it has been known that these rulers can go insane due to millions of years in stasis, leaving a once mighty dynasty as a bunch of raving berserk machines. Even though the rulers are normally hyper intelligent beings, sometimes they also don’t care about war or domination (eg trazyn the infinite) and just go about their lives doing snarky noble necron stuff, looking down on everyone and anyone but themselves.

[@jasoethesentienteyeshapedg4847]

*Xeelee and Photino Birds:* "Let us turn the War In Heaven into a tea party."

[@NaiyaTheTiger]

I'm glad I wasn't the only one thinking this

[@EntropyEngine]

Ahh if only more people could embrace the baxter... Overpowered ha ha ha.... A sugar cube intelligence is behind me now isnt it...

[@ronanchristiana.belleza9270]

At least i'm not alone of thinking this

[@detonater7441]

Or just yeet the galaxy off to the other end of the universe

[@detonater7441]

Also...downstreamers

[@stratecal796]

Grey, scary skeletons tear out your spine grey skulls will shock your soul Seal your doom tonight Grey, scary skeletons Speak with such a screech You'll shake and shudder in surprise When you hear these immortals shriek We're scared skeletons, you're so misunderstood You only want to kill, but I don't think you should 'Cause Grey, scary skeletons Shout startling, shrilly screams They'll sneak from their sarcophagus And just won't leave you be Spirits supernatural are shy what's all the fuss? But bags of armor seem so unsafe, it's super-serious Grey, scary skeletons Are dangerous all the same They'll smile and scrabble slowly by And drive you to the gra ve Gauss will annihilate your bones They seldom let you snooze Grey, scary skeletons Will wake up real soon!

[@ChadZLumenarcus]

Honestly I love this even more. Power is asymmetrical, this lore makes them interesting. They can, but don't. I enjoy the Warhammer 40k Universe quite literally because of all of this outlandish concepts and making the Necrons this level of power is a great, possibly unifying factor.

[@sonofsanguinius176]

I love the fact that The Imperium of Mankind are also OP and gritty in 40k due to natural selection, kinda like a cat/dog is tougher if its thrown outdoors rather than stay inside

[@sketchtherapy1218]

Yo Ben good to see you. I love Saturdays I get to sit back catch up with you guys & your channels. Shout out to the whole team have a great one.

[@GenerationFilms]

Hey there dude, you too!

[@mavrick195]

Woohoo more 40K!! Can you guys please please please do a video explaining why Magnus the red did absolutely EVERYTHING wrong?

[@accessdenied5998]

Magnus the nerd??

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

Everything in warhammer is madly overpowered But like most in 40k the necrons do have some stuff holding them back For the necrons it's the fact that their all sleeping and if they're not they mindless automtomtons either by a dick overlord or command protols messing up or slowly going mad thanks to the destroyer cult or the flayer vrius

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

Or, they simply aren't interested in conquering humanity and/or, are too busy fighting amongst themselves. Not always in combat, but often in politics.

[@aconcernedcommissar6261]

@@SomeGuy-qh6rw yeah there's that in the new necron book the infinte and the divine (minor spoliers for that book, if you haven't read it and want to. Id suggest it as it's good in my opinion) Tryzan and Orikan are in a necron court (and I mean court as in legal court with judges not court as in a royal court) and Orikan has to keep going back in time as he and in one attempt to get the best outcome for him, both him and Tryzan slip in the complex mess that is their political system

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

@@aconcernedcommissar6261 Yep. That book is a great example of why they could also squash humanity in moments, considering during one of Orikan's fights, he throws a black hole with the mass of several galaxies and uses planets to shield himself. Quite a bit beyond the rest of the setting.

[@luisr1lima]

Orks are too stupid to follow the laws of phisics, but necrons just don't want to

[@Lulu-ex7fc]

Orks are kids, Necrons are seniors, and the rest of the galaxy are stuck in the middle.

[@denmstrsn]

Transparent.. Phasing.. get it. LMAO

[@GenerationFilms]

I'm here all week.

[@michaelchaney2336]

Electron density and electron speed within armor can block phasing. Like Berkelium in real life when made into certain molecules have electrons that move close to the speed of light. The relativistic distortion the electrons in the berkelium molecules prevents phasing which is a precision probabilistic method. Living metal has a finite amount of electrons. Nothing is immune to physics. Capturing Gods difficult but they never stop fighting you. The work of making and using a galaxy hologram still causes entropy in the one that uses it. The Necron are most likely made of germanium alloys since germanium has four valence electrons like carbon. The imperium of man in warhammer 40k has already defeated the equivalent of the necron before. The iron minds were made by the minds of stone. The minds of stone were made by men.

[@LordProteus]

"Warhammer 40K is the most OP universe of all" Not even close. *Anti-Monitor eats the 40K Multiverse*

[@akumaking1]

*Unicron has entered the chat*

[@lordferbus2970]

The Chronovorse from Doctor Who would also eat the 40K verse

[@heathward9239]

Hello american ben. Can you pass onto Allen that I love him dearly.

[@ThePossumCatcher]

I got the “Rise of the Orks” Boardgame and it looks pretty hard for me to beat. 😳😳😳 So the Ork’s seem pretty overpowered to me. 😱😱😱

[@Grubnar]

To quote and modify Luke 9:25: "What did the Necrontyr truly win, if in doing so they lost their very souls?" Sure the Necrons may have "won" The War in Heaven ... but at what cost? They lost everything, their empire, their homes, their lives, their very souls. No wonder they all just went to sleep, they ruled over the ashes of victory. So did they really win ... or did they lose the same as everyone else? To me, the Imperium is at least still raging at the dying of the light ... while the Necrons are already dead and surrounded by darkness. I am reminded of a game I had shortly after I started playing Warhammer 40.000 during 3rd edition, before Necrons were even a part of the game. I was playing my Orkz, and I was playing against an Eldar player, and mid-game he was mouthing off about just how great the Eldar are, and how they have the best tech, and can predict the future and all sorts of stuff. I looked at him and asked: "If you are so smart, why are you losing?" I never got an answer to that question.

[@robertberlin83]

The Necrons only downside is they can’t replace their losses otherwise they would conquer the galaxy

[@SomeGuy-qh6rw]

The Necrons could conquer the Galaxy whenever they wanted to do so, if they chose to do so. The most powerful Necrons simply have no desire to.

[@conehead3422]

Check the scripts on new Szeras lore, apparently the old biotransferance forges are still a thing and still usable meaning any losses or conquests are replaceable or additive just depends on if they want to add more in

[@emgee2807]

Have you read The Infinite and the Divine? It really goes into the Necron lore with two of the most interesting characters taking the focus of it.

[@joshbull623]

Here are some things the Eldar had, have, or got hidden away for some OP references. 1. They made use of “Iron Knights” animated by Eldar souls and “Giants” inhabiting the souls of the greatest Eldar heroes. Standing three times taller than a Necron and virtually indestructible, they carried arcane weaponry that could channel and project soulfire that ripped their opponents apart. 2. During Rise of the Ynnari: Wild Rider, Nuadhu Fireheart, due to some type of ancestral memory, has flashbacks to fighting alongside constructs larger than titans in the original War in Heaven. 3. Void Spinners. The webs unleashed by these weapons are infused with what is essentially Wraithbone nano-bots, that were previously used to create life. Biel Tan has reversed the concept, and now these wraith-bots erase all life that they come in contact with. 4. The Phoenix Lords books introduce weapons, that take the form of a piece of jewellery, that are keyed to wipe out a single form of life from a world, whilst leaving all other life unharmed. 5. Alongside these world cleansing devices, we are shown small personal shield devices that take the form of a piece of jewellery, such as a ring, brooch or necklace, that are powerful enough that it allowed them to surf, Silver surfer/Green Lantern style, on Solar Flares for fun; you could fire a Nova cannon at them and they wouldn't even care. 6. In the Blackstone Fortress series of stories a device called a Foryniomhu, or a Scourge was accidentally discovered, this is not a biological plague but a psychic one . Normally placed into a ship, it was a contagious psychic weapon used to put down violent rebellions with the barest minimum effort on behalf of the Eldar. They would pop into a star system, activate the device that would release a single pulse, then leave. All those affected would become highly infectious to everyone around them, regardless of species, but wouldn't immediately show any symptoms; everyone affected would also become infectious. Within weeks their bodies would start to die rapidly, along with anyone else affected. 7. During the Heresy the Iron Warriors and Emperor's Children legions end up activating the security system of a Eldar "shrine world", which unleashes a never ending swarm of intangible warriors made of smoke and light. These constructs wield weapons that bypass the armour of the Marines, phasing through armour as if it wasn't there, and leaving corpses without a single wound of any kind. Along with these spectral warriors marched large crystalline constructs, twice the height of a Marine, whose crystal bodies formed from the surrounding walls. Their limbs pulsed with energy that they unleashed from their hands in searing beams of power, and could tear apart tanks and fortifications with ease. 8. On the Crone Worlds a device that takes the form of a publicly accessible console was found, whose function was to grant the "wishes" of the user, and make it into reality; Unfortunately the device was quickly discovered to be corrupted by the power of the Dark Prince. They had access to what is essentially artificial genies. Suck it STC's. 9. During the Heresy John Grammaticus was given a pair of Eldar "scissors", that can cut through time and space, that allowed him to appear near the ruins of Ababa hive on Terra during the siege. 10. Jain Zar-The Storm of Silence shows the White Seers commanding archaic engines dedicated to the destruction of She Who Thirsts. Their arcane machines looked more like abstract works of art than weapons, but they sent out beams of coruscating power that disintegrated daemons with but a touch and scoured forth pulses of cleansing fire. It baffles the mind considering no one is supposed to read the library and the said weapons can annihilate demons with a pulse.

[@sasquatchandme3673]

Although I agree that the Necrons are one of the most OP races in all of Scifi, I would argue that Dr Who and Star Trek offer some contenders: the Time Lord's, the Time War Daleks and the Q Continuum. Also, their is an argument for the Borg IF, and only IF, they assimilate Necron tech while they are still asleep.

[@detonater7441]

In all of scifi Necrons are more like B tier with the absolutely absurd outlier that is the Breath of the Gods, without this I’d put them in D tier (that’s still considering outliers like the Celestial Orrery). Top tiers would be like the downstreamers from the manifold series, one of their more notable feats being creating an infinite multiverse full of infinite multiverses etc etc recursing to infinity from a finite universe.

[@barrybend7189]

Suggestion: best mech armies in Sci-fi. 40K should be an honorable mention for this.

[@rabenfuerst7332]

Depends on the definition of mech - A human piloted, mostly humanoid walker bulid mostly for fighting? Ordo sinister would like to have a word with you...

[@barrybend7189]

@@rabenfuerst7332 humanoid or digitigrade leg structures doesnt matter. For purpose the more creative the better. 40K being honorable mention look to the beginning statement in this video.

[@fatalshore5068]

@@barrybend7189 40k just wins outright Titan's op.

[@Marth667]

@@fatalshore5068 I'd have an honourable mention to armoured core. Those mecha's have unparalleled manoeuvrability.

[@voidtempering8700]

@@Marth667 Butterfly Gundam, used nanites to devour a solar system.

[@swarmml8338]

I like to think that every battle with the necrons are just the races of the universe trying to buy themselves time to stop the awakening. Every battle that they loose is another tomb world awoken, another dynasty coming back, another step closer to what the necrons used to be. But every victory, no matter how small, allows the galaxy time. And in a galaxy where a single second can mean the life of millions of souls, you take every victory you can, no matter how fleeting it may be.

[@DarthTrazyn]

Short answer: Yes , Long answer: Yes, but here's why...

[@ThexAngryxPharoah]

Everytime i see phase weapon description..... how do you fight that?

[@WarlockInTraining]

I have two thoughts. One: Necrons losing is the issue for reasons stated. Two: same logic applies to Eldar. Read below. Eldar as a whole may be near extinction (bullshit as the many exodite worlds, the mass growth of their craftworlds over time, and cloning tech proves otherwise) but they also have insane tech and psy powers. The farsight is in some lore so potent to predict events the Emperor could not like Eldrad had. Farsight limited by plot as needed. Their tech is so advance they can turn beings into light energy (lightspeed beings) throw around black holes, steal suns, turn biologocal mass into stone or glass, teleport tech is casual in battle, genetic engineering that Fabious Bile gawks at, psy weapons, space and warp tearing weapons, and bring the dead back into demi god warmachines. They simply sing to magically maks adamantium level Wraith Bone armor and weapons and materials. Their fleets have the same combat speeds and cloak like tech of Necrons. While webway travel is slower its safer and can be used to hide in. They have warriors like Exarchs and Phoenix Lords who have the souls of hundreds to call on for skill and experience and knowledge. They can clone themselves for millennia for eternal life of experiences. They have beneficial warp gods they can call for battle. Like Kaine, Isha, and the Laughing God who trick Necs already. Yes Eldar top lore of Harlequins, Craftworld, and Dark codexes and novels have insand OP bullshit abilities and tech too. Why they lose often is utter trash.

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

That's week compared to what the Humans in the dark age of technology had there fucking ship's could shoot black holes and they could teleport objects 1 second in the future and the now two objects one the same spot would have double the atoms and explode

[@wertaiman4216]

@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 actually the Humans got wrecked by the Eldar at DAOT because the Eldar have more powerful tech than humans

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@wertaiman4216 dosent mean anything tho they had eventually an non agression pact

[@wertaiman4216]

@@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051 yeah because the Humans are afraid of the Eldar

[@praisethesun.praisedeussol6051]

@@wertaiman4216 i think that's not what it was the Humans where at there peak and had to the man of Iron As far as I'm aware they didn't fight cause nether side wanted something from the other

[@Christian1999DK]

well the major weaknesses of the Necrons is that they are often asleep in their tombworlds, and it takes a long time for them to awaken, not to mention the cast system of how advanced the necron's own body is, such as the regular Necron warrior is little more then a machine while the Overlords and Lords have all their memories, however Necrons need time to reawaken their worlds and that makes them vaunerable to attack. not rageing, just saying thats the biggest weakness they got is that hitting them early on before they can properly awaken just shatters them

[@alfredocalvo4228]

Everything in WH 40K is overpowered

[@voidtempering8700]

Depends on what it is compared to, 40k is the middle point in sci-fi.

[@alfredocalvo4228]

@@voidtempering8700 what do you mean?

[@voidtempering8700]

@@alfredocalvo4228 40k is the middle ground between top and low sci-fi, right above 40k are the forerunners, who can compete with war in heaven era Warhammer. Above them is the Culture, and then you have the Xelee, Downstreamera, etc. Below 40k is where most of mainstream sci-fi is, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Halo. Of course, ancient Halo like the forerunners can beat 40k and the Q from Star Trek are transcendent.

[@alfredocalvo4228]

@@voidtempering8700 interesting point, you're right

[@PaladinPoppie]

@@voidtempering8700 War in heaven Necrons with C’tan are as powerful as the Forerunners. Multiple people agree on SB, Reddit, and other debate vs’s forums. Those forums are strictly ran and people are banned for blatantly dismissing or lying. Here is a summary of what was debated on multiple forums with Admins watching closely. “Forerunner and Necron tech is about as equal due to it being so exotic to each other.” “Forerunners have massive and insane industry and the Necrons have numbers and Star gods.” “Necrons pre-C’tan would lose to Forerunners. (Necron tech alone can’t save them from the pure Forerunner Industry.)” “Modern 40k has nothing on the Forerunner scale. The Necrons themselves are a shadow of WIH selves.” “C’tan rivaled the “Old Ones” and used the Necrons to rid themselves of a enemy.” “People tend to give the Precursors a slight lead on the Old Ones. Since all we practically know nothing about the Old Ones other than the Web-way. Precursors have more feats, Old Ones just haven’t been explored.” Without bias, despite my name. I hold the Opinion of plenty on debate forums. Mostly “Space Battles.” Necrons with C’tan are equal to Forerunners. Look at SB debate forums to see for yourselves.

[@nachtschattenwolfW40k]

With the game Gladius - Vaul was brought back into play, which at least in this case makes it clear that he is an Old One, a God of the Aeldari and, if you look at the design of his Relics in Gladius and BFGA, is also responsible for the Blackstone Fortresses. And the Weakness of the Necrons is the warp (Old Ones/Aeldari Tech, Psychic Powers etc). Good video!

[@wrongix6544]

Necron do have tech that completly takes away warp powers tho. I dont think its so much so every tomb world has it but they have the power to do so.

[@claeswelinder2014]

Meh, Orcs don’t believe in the Celestial Orrery. Now who’s the OP hahaha?

[@accessdenied5998]

Sadly they to focus smacking each other lmfao. They need SCARPS

[@cron1807]

Is *insert faction here* too powerful in Warhammer 40k? 40k is the definition of "Oh yea? Well my group can do this!" "Well mine can do this!" The most powerful group are the Orks, as they are the only species thriving in the 40k universe

[@paintballercali]

Sounds like some kid that never won at anything in his life played a role playing game. And kept changing the rules every time someone had an edge on them

[@QuantumAscension1]

"But I love the Expanse, and I'm bringing it up just to piss you all off." Well played, good sir. Well played

[@oliver4693]

"If Christian's made a bomb out of Jesus"

[@lightnihilus]

Hi Everyone!!! Hey I feel like certain people Underestimate Starwars Legends. When it comes to against Warhammer 40K because 1. 40k fans ignore the fact that Starwars Legends has Star Weirds, and Space Wraiths of which nothing physical can't hurt them. Star weirds are more than just special Energy Spirts. Star Weirds have the ability to use Extreme Lightning of unique kinds and colors of it . The can use Stars , drain Stars, throw Stars , and do other things. They can go in and out of Black Holes. Starweirds can Mimic while using terror Scream in the middle of Outer Space. They can go into Other Space, Hyperspace , The Warp ( The Warp - from Starwars Legends without even being affected by it.) Starweirds can go in Spaceships and in things completly silent while mimicing their opponents while haunting . They use terror on their victims and they can do other things. Star Weirds are also extremely well aware of things, their Surroundings and are also very extremely Intelligent. They can twist and bend time, They can break Space if they want. Starweirds can also reorganize themselves, They can become adaptive to things . One of the Cheating things that Starweirds can do is go into 2 different Outer Spaces both Matter or AntiMatter. Because Starweirds have these abilites of Photons, Photons are Neutrol towards both Matter and AntiMatter. (Starwars Legends Star Weirds can take on 40K Necrons. The Warhamer 40K Necrons can get hurt physically. Space Wraiths from Starwars Legends can take on the Demons from WarHammer 40K. ) 3. Lets point some things out. Starwars Legends does have a better Governement, Better Space Travel tech, and more Creativity of Space Ship types and Varients- Examples ( Battle Cruisers, Frigates, Corvets, Carriers, Destoyers, Dreadnaughts, Support ships, Super Weapon ships, and other things.) Like the Well awesome creative round donut Spaceship CIS/Separatist Lulkhulk Carriers/Destoyers. The Starwars Legends ships look nicer compared to the Warhammer 40K. 4. Starwars Legends does have Chaos. 40K people ignore the fact that Starwars does have Chaos in it. 5. Starwars Legends is balanced, it has the Force of the Lightside and the Dark side in it. Meaning Starwars has ( Good vs Evil) in it . Starwars has War and Peace in it. Warhammer 40K is 95% Unbalanced. Warhammer 40K mainly just has War in it. 6. Starwars Legends has Capitalism in it. Has Friends that can help, and Support each other. The Starwars Universe is more Unified. on the other hand Warhammer 40K is Communitist and its Ununified mostly. ( Except the Tau from Warhammer 40K the Tau are more of the only good guys in the 40K Universe. ) 7. Starwars Legends also does have a Super weapon that can destroy another Universe. Like how Warhammer 40K can. Now onto some examples Let's take the Matter Universe and anything that is made of Matter. Anything that is Matter can't surive in Other Space from Starwars Legends. Because In Starwars Legends Other Space is White Outer Space is the complete opposite from Regular Black Outer Space. Warhammer 40K only has 1 type of Infinate Outer Space. Starwars Legends has 2 types of infinate Outer Spaces it has 1. Other White Outer Space is really Hot and has Cold Stars. Basically has ( White Holes, Light Energy , Light Anti Matter, Anti Matter, Anti HoleWorms, Anti Gravity, Anti Particles, Anti Atoms, and other things) Starwars has this!! 2. And theirs Regular Black Outer Space. Black Outer Space is really Cold with Hot Stars. Regular outer Space basically has ( Black Holes, Dark Energy, Dark Matter, Matter, WormHoles, Gravity, Particles, Atoms and Other things.) Starwars and Warhammer 40K has this!!! Though you can't really contain Anti Matter in a container made of Matter because the Anti Matter and Matter are the opposite from each other they will cancel each other out it will become nothing Emptyness. Only if you put Anti Matter and Matter Together. and even right by each other.

[@andrew3203]

While SW lore is nice, your knowledge of physics is not. Matter and Anti-matter do not cancel out. They explode violently and create energy, mostly heat and light, not Emptyness. Also, containing Anti-matter is done even today, with magnetic fields in vacuum.

[@lightnihilus]

@@andrew3203 Do your research . And bro I know what I'm talking about. You have no Idea just How intelligent I am. Matter and Anti matter are opposites from each other. In Matter the Protons are +Positive , and the Electrons are - Negative. In Anti Matter the Protons are - Negative and the Electrons are +Positive AntiMatter Atoms the Protons are -Negative( called - Positrons) the Electrons are +Positive ( called +Antiprotons) and their is (=AntiNeutrons)

[@lightnihilus]

@@andrew3203 Tell you the truth I'm very highly creative with Science , Science is more than just physics bud. To be more specific Science has ( Astronomy, Chemstry, Physics, Health, Biology and Geography in it.) I have a very creative mindset of Creation of Science. I'm surprised you didn't know that their are AntiElements made from AntiMatter. That do exist Like AntiHydrogen for example. ( AntiHydrogen has 1 + Antiproton, and 1 -Positron in it. The AntiAtomic Weight for it is -1.008, and the AntiHydrogen Symbol is -H ) Yes Scientist researchers did create Anti Matter in Special Machines in labs though its also very difficult to creat Anti Matter , Because 1. Matter is all around us and we Humans are made out of Matter. 2. Antimatter and Matter are the opposites from each other. Take Example Lets take something that is made out of Matter like a Container made out of solid Plastic. When you try to put Antimatter in a Container that is made of solid plastic Matter than both the AntiMatter inside and the solid plastic Matter would react with each other while annihilate ing each other. And yes at times Matter and Antimatter can create (Photons) . 3. When putting Antimatter and Matter towards each other is very dangerous. Don't want to be around it when it happens. In Matter Hydrogen ( Has 1 +Proton and 1 -Electron in it, Atomic weight is 1.008, and the Symbol for Hydrogen is H) AntiMatter and Matter both have Equal Mass to them. You only just knowing of Elements made of Matter. Hmm interesting. Starwars legends has alot alot of creativity in it compared to Warhamer 40k when it comes to Science .

[@daniell1483]

I have to admit, my investment in Warhammer 40k dropped a lot when I realized just how over the top Necrons are. And just recently, their Silent King returned as well. In terms of lore, Necrons losing a fight, any fight, simply doesn't make sense. It would be one thing if they were very powerful, but so few in number that they cannot project force in the galaxy. But this isn't the case at all. Wit the Celestial Orrey, they could just *flick* Sol, and there goes the Imperium. Tons of Necrons kept enough personality that any argument that they are limited in numbers or force projection is disingenuous at best.

[@royceatkinson]

One of the reasons why I like them so much as I do is because of how much potential they had as a faction and still how very human elements turned them into the cursed and blighted race they are now. Sure they have all this crazy, wondrous, and OP technology, but how many of them are awakened to set it to its proper uses? And of those awakened, who among them has their wits about them to organize and unite the dynasties to achieve their goals? Sure, the Silent King is a thing, and every race is finding out just how vast the Necron empire was as they tunnel too deep into their planets, but they're fractured, proud, and suffer from many of the same flaws that make humanity's Imperium as unstable as it was/still is. The crazy sci-fi OP-ness doesn't detract from them as a faction, I think it adds to it. Seeing how everyone else in the galaxy responds to them and how they in turn respond to the new and young upstarts on their lawn. And what's awesome is that they have the potential to be the biggest threat to each and every race respectively. They have no biomass for the Tyranids to consume. Their technology, durability, (numbers most likely too) and experience in warfare eclipses that of even the Eldar, nevermind the Imperium or Tau. The potential is still there and I'm really excited to see where the narrative takes them. It's just really good stuff all around.

[@jacobadams6277]

The biggest issues I see with the Necrons is that, their main weakness is how they're waking up from their slumber rn and are fractured. this means that it is hard to progress them as a race because as soon as they finish waking up and getting their act together, they can wipe the floor with the galaxy using all their overpowered shit so, I feel like the writers have written themselves into a corner here.

[@femimark5021]

That doesn't have to happen for literally more time than the 50k yrs of imperium lore. Remebr they can be in stasis for millions of years

[@casbot71]

Laughs in *Dalek.* (Later era Time War Daleks. And then there's the _Nightmare in Silver_ Cybermen, not as OP, but still the Human Empire blew up an entire Galaxy because it was being overrun by Cybermen who could adapt to weapons ((the Borg would want a word)) and move faster than the eye can see)

[@detonater7441]

@JonoRig Dr Who is literally one of the most OP scifi verses I’ve ever heard of, in a similar region to manifold and the Xeelee Sequence. The Daleks created a thing called the reality bomb which could erase all of space and time in every multiverse. They stomp over 40k so hard it’s not even fair. I love the setting of 40k it’s just when you look at some others it’s not really that powerful.

[@crazyeyez1502]

"Except for when they phase....." BADA BOOM BOOM TSSSSSSSSSHH

[@Eclipse-SSC]

Not to be that guy.. but comic book characters like Superman or anime characters like Broly would destroy absolutely everything in their path if they were in the WH40K universe.

[@rodneyrieser2314]

So I've been slowly getting into the Warhammer Universe over the last couple of years through Steam games. It started with Mordhiem City of the Damned, Then Total War Warhammer, then Vermintide. That's old world. I know about 40k now, but not much. I just recently bought Warhammer 40k Mechanicus where you play as the tech priests invading the tombs of the Necrons. That's really all I know about them. What else would you recommend for this universe? It's pretty cool.

[@Chaosmage42]

the best way i think to deal with things being overpowered is a cost or sacrifice, that celestial map or the star god bombs, make is so its got limits or cost them to use like millions of necron are burned out when they do something with the map or the star gods to make it do exactly as they wish it burns out several hundred units. and they can't make more. give them a reason they hold back. its what happens in a lot of video games you only get x number of a certain super weapon or ammo for your gun and you end up never using it with the old -i might need it later. In mass effect 2 i barely ever used the heavy weapon because i kept thinking about the fact that there is only so much ammo for it and i might need it later or i would get extra resources. the necron could be set up the same way they only have so many of their people and they are the cost they burn when they use some sort of super weapon

[@SeraphimRoad]

One of Necrons biggest weakness is their current relative small numbers. Most Necrons are either still asleep, have been "destroyed" or imprisoned in a different dimension. Which was caused by their other weakness, their slow, really slow recovery time. Though immortal and near indestructible, but when damaged, their recovery time to be operational again is slow. So slow that when they are ready again, the campaign may have already ended. And their other weakness, Necron Race as a whole is not as united as they used to be since the Silent King left them behind in search for redemption. So all those Dynasties are either fighting, plotting or sabotaging each other. Making all their technological arsenal used against each others. And since only their leaders are sentient and self aware, their servants are nothing more than automatons. So losing a leader makes them "less" dangerous or perhaps predictable

[@reculture]

I, for one, welcome the return of Szarekh, greatest of The Silent Kings!

[@Demothones]

Great video. Have you read Belisarius Cawl: The Great Work by Guy Haley? Cawl is the secret to defeating the Necrons. Cawl will figure out how to beat the Necrons and use their technology to fight Chaos. While we are on the subject of OP things in SciFi, the Expanse has a weapon that can “burn galaxies like cauterizing a wound.”

[@kocashima]

The AEonic Orb is a devastating weapon but it is a double edge sword. If the containment orb is damaged the entire star fragment detonates, they also lack the ability to create more, and the safety feature which shunts the fragment into another space does not always work

[@pojo398]

Their numbers are one thing that makes them contenders for power but severely limited in capacity at this time. The tomb worlds are not coming online fast enough or near enough to each other in time galactic conquering. And when it comes to the orb, they don't want to use it as the necron leader want most of the other races alive right now, likely to face the incoming tyranid hive fleets. That will require so much strength to face. Not to mention before and even after that occurs, they don't want to obliterate bio-matter as they need it to regain true mortal forms again, which is an ultimate goal of the necrons.

[@jeremymunsch8592]

Truly enjoyed this video. Keep up all of the great work. Thank you!

[@queen-gt1xx]

I think people forget that orks are arguably as if not more op then necrons. When orks fully evolve they're 12 meters tall and wear power armor which makes space marine armor look like paper mache. The only reason they aren't at that level now is because literally no faction has reached the levels of war which occurred during the war in heaven

[@itsjustaline]

What are you talking about this is perfectly balance !!

[@southern013]

I love 40K simply for its mindset for the characters/race in it, like you always have to fight through the impossible, your dead is assured (aka no good ending) and you still have the strength to keep going forward.

[@Julian-vl7vn]

The only things that can pose a threat to the necrons are the orks if they're ever to unite or if all the subfactions of the Eldar unite. Only the races that were made to battle the necrons can do so. Not that they would succeed, but they'd have the best chance. But maybe we need to upgrade the ork to the krorks again and the Craftworld Eldar need the construction plans from those OP pls nerf psychic weapons that the Dark Eldar keep for themselves despite of not beeing able to use them. Maybe even destroy Slaanesh for good measure so that the Eldar can field their own Gods against the C'Tan because i still want to see a rematch between Khaine and the Nightbringer

[@random4828]

I don´t get why we call Warhammer 40K itself overpowered (or any cinematic universe for that matter). I don´t think it makes sense to use the term in comparisons with other cinematic universes simply because they have nothing to do with each other except being in the same genre. The power of whatever entity is talked about is always tied to the universe it is in and balanced according to the other forces surrounding it. Of course the forces in 40K are strong compared to most other fantasy races etc. but those are not supposed to be encountered and therefore not balanced around them. Nice video tho

[@dinowizard0213]

I feel bad for anyone that accidentally pokes the Celestial Orrery.

[@Kitkat-986]

The Necrons are perhaps the supreme force in the universe for now, but they are also a civilization in decline. They are remnants of a vastly more powerful civilization that dwarfed 40k's current factions by many orders of magnitude, and while they retain a fragment of that power, they can never hope to attain that which they have lost. I think, in many ways, the Tyranids have the potential to be more dangerous. The Necrons may have godlike powers, but they are slow to act, and aren't destructive for the sake of destruction alone. The Tyranids are a horrifying force to behold, one that rapidly consumes entire worlds, and unlike other factions which must rebuild their forces, the Tyranids grow stronger with every battle won, no matter how many of them are killed in the process. They can't be bargained with, are utterly uncompromising in their hunger, and will not stop until they have consumed everything in their path, or they have been reduced to cinders.

[@jamesricker3997]

They are not overpowered They are powerful enough that the other factions know they have to be stopped before they become overpowered

[@nicholasppoole]

So huge Necron fan and former owner of a decurion detachment. Spoilers for "The Infinite and The Divine" below, an excellent read for anyone interested in the Necrons: ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Their ability to shape time is a little overstated here. The most skilled time mage of the Necrons is able to change the result of a Court trial 5 times, and it was estimated he could only do it 3. They can, and certainly do reshape time, but they don't just get infinite bites at huge apples, they get a few bites at some small ones.

[@elisavanderveen5383]

Just wait for the laconian arc in the expanse (if we ever get it :c ) but then finally the expanse can get to some top of the lists ((or just read the books already)). The USM field projector is probably the strongest weapon to ever get into sci-fi say for maybe something that would shoot black holes since it litterally just destroys any particle or whatever in its way and no shield is gonna protect you from it. Also the most realistic super weapon in sci-fi as it doesn't explain its bs with "it's just a beam that goes destroy atoms/molecules". It's especially terrifying because it's set in such a grounded universe and is such a massive game changer compared to the other powers.

[@iamzipie]

As a necron player I say no, as we are too arrogant

[@afryanmahendra2055]

don't forget, the necrons also capable making 20 dimensional space. (yeah, it is tesseract labyrinth) and erasing infinity space and time

[@Julian-vl7vn]

Necrons: Wake up on any planet The Eldar: And I took that personally

[@leiziru9642]

Ready your 18-inchers, my kin. There are dice to be rolled!

[@Kalashee]

1. I love how there’s a few oc/fiction-verse creator Litmus tests out there that say “can (X) stand up to/defeat anything within the 40k universe? If so, either dial it down a bit or add (?) points to the MarySue-o-meter” like 40k is the end all, be all of “acceptable” OP bullshit. Warhammer is cool and all, but there’s bunches of fictional verses that are just as if not more ridiculous. But anything that ends up being ridiculous for the sake of being ridiculous kills most of the fun for me. 2. I think the only limits to creative fiction should be the ones each individual author imposes on their work, and there should always be limits within each work. It’s far more interesting to see/understand what an individual or group cannot do As opposed to what they can, as seeing them overcome or Triumph despite being within the boundaries of limitations Is far more satisfying. So while the idea of fiction itself should be boundless and limitless, The believability of it is defined by what rules govern and follows. Just my take on it.

[@detonater7441]

1. A verse that’s much more powerful but manages not to be ridiculous is the ‘Xeelee’ series

[@Kalashee]

@@detonater7441 Xeelee, eh? I’ll have to check that out

[@detonater7441]

@@Kalashee I hope you enjoy!

[@ringsaphire]

Necron ships are gorgeous! How could I have missed that!!? The Necron race is not fighting for power but to keep balance in the galaxy AND their ultimate goal is to become a soul bearing mortal race again, so narratively speaking, it still makes sense to have them start at the peak of the warhammer 40K since someone needs to bet there and their very goal will then strip them down from their powers one after the other as they get closer to their endgame... Basicaly they are at the top but they are not competing either ...

[@casbot71]

The Orcs _belief making technology work_ is kind of similar to White Wolf's *Mage: The Ascension* RPG. In that magic was a form of reality alteration, changing the laws to make what you're doing normal. But now that reality is getting stagnate there's a severe risk of backlash in the form of paradox, so most magic is done as coincidence - for safety. And the reason is that the Technocracy won… a faction of Mages that *created* science and technology. And technology is a form of magic that works by the belief of the mass of sleepers (us) that believe it works (and no longer believes in wizards and so forth). A gun is really just a form of magic wand that gives the same results every time. And that's why prototype technology is often buggy, because enough people don't _believe in it_ yet.

[@christophersandidge8257]

Great video as always. After watching last night's news, I think fighting the necrons would be fun. Where do I sign up? Humanity First!

[@f22littleraptor21]

"Necrons being too overpowered" Me: *laugh in xeelee and downstreamers*

[@detonater7441]

Pretty much

[@reentrysfs6317]

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