Genesis - Studio Improvisation 1973 - unreleased

Officially unreleased little jamming during the "Selling England By The Pound" sessions. Joined with some nice, matching pictures.

[@squatch545]

God I miss the prog music of the 70s.

[@michelelawrence1525]

❤You’re not the only one that really misses the prog rock of the 70’s & 80’s era My son is the drummer and lead vocalist in a prog metal band called Mastodon which is quite interesting and I enjoy it very much 🎉🎉❤❤

[@LaurinaHawks]

And me first!

[@jrockofages5413]

I hear the seeds of "Fly On A Windshield"....

[@pvtvitoguido2]

Funny, I hear the seeds of some Frank Zappa song from 'Joe's Garage', I forget the name now. Probably the guitar used.

[@larethdf]

Watermelon in Easter Hay has a similar arpeggio theme. Likely both were done on electric sitar.

[@philipshaw9485]

me to,,

[@cameodamaneo]

Dude, by seed he meant that it inspired the genesis (lol pun) of "Fly On A Windshield".

[@worldnotworld]

In fact this riff became the outro to an obscure b-side from Rutherford's Smallcreep's Day, a song called "Compression." kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHPIf3yCfs1letE. It's a very good song.

[@philipshaw9485]

steve`s guitar work and some of the accompaniment sounds like the embryo of broadway melody,,, anybody else hearing that?

[@gmlasorsa]

Definitely hearing hints of several instrumental parts of LLDOB

[@sluggo3slug]

Yes!

[@RobertSimpson-wp3pr]

Spot on

[@life5161]

I KNOW theres GOTTA be more of these tapes burried somewhere, and I CAN'T WAIT till they see the light of day!! FANTASTIC

[@twostikks1]

How cool -- you can hear Rutherford on guitar/sitar, playing one of the melodies from his 1980 B-side "Compression" from 3:00 on ... Amazing!

[@Rumtoad1]

This was one of Rutherford's bits. It ended up being the end section of "Compression", which was the non-album flipside of "Waiting in Line", the single taken from Mike's first solo album "Smallcreep's Day"

[@SRNF]

Thank you for the information!

[@jeffmcdonald5901]

+plod - I have to admit that when I read what you wrote I at first thought you were hearing things, but indeed around the 4:00 mark it began to emerge and wound up being almost note-for-note. Good ear and I apologize for doubting you. You must be quite the fan to know of that song. I thought I was the only one. ; )

[@Rumtoad1]

Truthfully, I only realized it myself when a fellow fan pointed it out a few years ago. I have several boots of the Lamb sessions, but never actually noticed it myself until my friend made me pull out this particular session and listen again. Of course then, I heard it right away. The sad part is you really have to be a dedicated Rutherford fan to even know the song it became: "Compression" , which was left off Smallcreeps Day and was only released as the flipside to "Working in Line". I only knew it because I found the single at a used shop in the 80's. I hope some day Mike re-releases it with the track added back in. It's a lovely piece, that could really use a good remix!

[@jeffmcdonald5901]

+plod - Yes I agree. Simon Phillips percussive work on that track(and indeed the entire album) is stunning. The song would have made a decent closing track to side 1(in America anyway, as on British copies, side 1 was the Smallcreep side). I found my copy of the single at a record convention in the mid-90s.

[@genesisforever4146]

WHO CARES!!! PETER WAS A PRICK FOR LEAVING AND GENESIS BECAME A GAY POP BAND...........:" ,CAT SCRACH MY ASS, OH WHAT ISN'T IT SCRACH MY BACK OR ASS HOLE WHAT EVER YOU KNOW THAT ALBUM PETER MADE OVER AND OVER............ HAPPY THOUGHTS :)

[@mayhem492]

Steve had such a unique sound. He wanted nothing to do with ‘shredding’ or showing off, just gently adding textures and making his instrument ‘yearn’ rather than ‘scream’. The band really lost its soul when he left.

[@mr.tibs1334]

A month earlier I saw them by chance. Had nothing else to do. Me and my friend went. I didn't even know who they were at the time. Took some Microdot and was pleasantly surprised. Lol

[@IThinkYouLookLarvely]

2:52 Love this picture. Tony looks like he doesn't want to be there, Mike is the opposite and the most laid back as usual! It has been said before, but depending what facial hair 'mood' he was in, Phil looked the spit of Kurt Cobain at some points. Yes, Derek Smalls from Spinal Tap on the left :D

[@tudvalstone]

+IThinkYouLookLarvely Tony looks like a young and thin Bach.

[@emilysongs.]

This demo is invaluable to understand how a composition evolves

[@louise_rose]

Very nice document of thir jamming - and great photos, too! The one at 4:50 looks kinda like a wayward gang of street kids looking for trouble. :)

[@TruNordics14]

lol, if someone told me this was King Crimson I would believe it

[@guitjoe5061]

+TruNordics14 I was exactly thinking the same!

[@dropagemonem]

Guitar sounds so Frippertronic here; almost Requiem by King Crimson.

[@user-tb2wz1tr8y]

King Crimson has commonly been mentioned as one band that influenced Genesis and of which members of Genesis listened to.

[@TruNordics14]

Matthew Butler In The Court Of The Crimson King ceated the prog genre. All the pioneers of prog were disciples. King Crrimson changed everthing.

[@dzre2087]

Actually, KC's first album changed EVERYTHING. EX: BOTH Deep Purple and Black Sabbath said it made them go HEAVIER!

[@GiI11]

THANKS SO MUCH FOR POSTING THIS!!!!

[@slaphead99uk]

After recording, I wonder if PG went down the pub with the lads his bat wings still on. Bless him!

[@ianwood-zi7fh]

Wow this is very rare and it gives us an insight into how they did these sessions jamming i suppose they all had different ideas on how to collaborate wonderful stuff😊😊😊😊😊😊

[@cramlacy]

The riff here was resurrected for Mike's song ''Compression'' that featured as a B Side to the song ''Working In Line''. from the ''Smallcreep's Day'' album. It was the closing riff to the song and fades after about a minute and a half. Great riff.

[@Strettpegger]

Love this - thanks for posting...

[@JPTyler]

Love it! Especially with Phils' work with the drums.

[@stargate1555]

If you're a fan of YES too....their studio sessions are on KZbin also. Their behind the scenes stuff is pretty cool too.

[@joeyrsl]

first thing i think when i hear this is zappa's "what's new in baltimore"

[@fusion-music]

Very interesting and great to have. Thanks.

[@gmc2023]

brings back good memories

[@alanpadg1960]

OMG - so it is! I still wonder whey "Compression" never made it onto the "Smallcreep's Day" album!

[@genesisex1]

rutherford brings guitar riff back in his solo album smallcreeps day

[@MrDanielphenix]

This is very good wow !

[@psychill22]

It's Compression!

[@pfontaine23]

Yeah I noticed that too towards the end. Now we know where Mike Rutherford got that riff from!

[@twostikks1]

Yeah, Compression - I hear it too.

[@LeeinLimbo]

One of my all time favourite musical moments. I had wondered where it came from. Good knowing it was born from my favourite band.

[@erichgroat838]

I think Rutherford is playing the riff here and suspect it's his to start with. Yes, it's the outro to Compression all right! I remember finding the single with that B-side at a used record store when I was 18; I thought I was a mighty cool insider to have it...

[@charleyhellfire]

Never knew that, thanks...Phil always denied Silver Song existed, it does, I've heard it.

[@jasbrum]

Buggar it, I love Peter and Phil both xxx

[@georgemeacham8591]

its one hell of an album that can't find a place for this....

[@TimJackson-eq6iy]

You can hear how they developed the ideas to become 3 of the tracks from,' The Lamb Lies Down', album.

[@zalapski]

I think what we're listening to here might just be the very early attempts at what later becomes an intro to "broadway melody of 1974" from Lamb Lies down on Broadway. Hackett's sitar like guitar lines and Collins crashing drums are very simliar in that piece.

[@user-kz8sc6sn7w]

Hermoso juego de guitarras entre Hacket y Rutherford....excelente.

[@arkanoiddude]

I know Hackett played the electric sitar for "I Know What I Like" in live shows, so I'm assuming he played it on record too.

[@paulthompson6284]

Yep, you can see roughly where the ideas for "Fly on a windshield" and "Broadway melody 1974" came from 😎👍

[@vincenzoceriello1227]

meraviglioso

[@Hickers75]

This sounds similar to a track called 'you know you know' by Mahavishnu orchestra.Check it out,see what you think.

[@Montag013]

thanks

[@jrockofages5413]

...Broadway Melody of 1974...

[@windwardpro]

This is the part that ended up being the beautiful and tragic end section of Mike Rutherford's 'Compression'- a b-side from his album Smallcreep's Day. I SO wish he would re-release the song in some form. There seems to be ONE single horrible recording of it off of someone's record, playback pitch problems and all, that constitute any hits you get searching for it.

[@jawoody9745]

Not bad at all! It really fits squarely into the "Selling England" songs. I wish it had become a song. Has to be Steve on Guitar. I wonder who overdubbed the electric sitar line.

[@bubbamike4743]

james woody I assume mike was playing was playing the sitar, because I hear no bass guitar

[@Freeway_Rollercoaster]

Nice Sitar.. i guess they must have started a jam session going into I KNOW WHAT I LIKE soon after

[@LuisEduardoGalindo]

it sounds like working out the closing section of Dancing With The Moonlit Knight

[@doyoumind9356]

I stay out of the Collins v Gabriel debate. But if pressed my answer is Gabriel.

[@bornagainbornagain6697]

Together they are better than either one alone!

[@mikesmith-zn9nj]

Both are awsome why the debate. Different eras different styles. Both for me please

[@SkinyVinny]

@ElGramofono or vice versa wink wink ...actually big fan of both. Genesis sure has a huge body of work though, plus reams of solo.

[@jglopez5855]

defenetely, around 1:40 you can see hacketts work at making the FOAW solo

[@giuseppeesposto895]

E' stato realizzato nel 1980 da Mike Rutherford nel finale del brano Compression!!

[@theLukedishwasher]

As for who was best - Phil or Peter? It was a draw. Both fantastic. What were the odds of them both being in the same band? These fellas, along with several others from their generation, have played such a massive part in my life. Queen, Genesis and Pink Floyd - thank you!

[@Jah_Rastafari_ORIG]

Right on the cusp of when contact lenses were invented, no doubt...

[@bethshadowen904]

Steve Hackett reminds me of the guy on "Spinal Tap"...the one who gets stuck in the pod prop lol

[@BoBo0807]

He definitely had a "Derek Smalls" mustache for a while there, didn't he?

[@bethshadowen904]

hehe yuppers Glad someone out there at least knows what I am saying . Gotta watch that movie again, its been about a year since I saw it lol

[@BoBo0807]

just make sure you turn it up to 11...

[@bethshadowen904]

ROTF Im gonna do that. This is the start of my weekend, and it is #1 on my to do list 11...how funny

[@MrDogonjon]

+BoBo0807 This track is like the fusion jazz set Spinal tap played warming up for Puppet Show when Nigel split.

[@blueberry72]

Sounds like they are using the electric sitar that they used in the title track Selling England by the Pound. Tune also sounds like After the Ordeal.

[@guitarone988]

wonderful to get some insight into their processes at the time, I wonder if they said, well? Let's all keep jammin to this section of the tune for about 8 or 16 bars, and just repeat as its recorded then all on committee decide the best and play that part like that in the official take... Is that what's going on here?

[@kuragari85]

@petermayer: had the same thought. it sure sounds like that's mike with the sitar. or steve is playing both and this was not recorded live. but it sounds like the kind of theme mike would play.

[@bixster2260]

Sounds like the fade after the title cut before I Know What I Like.

[@theLukedishwasher]

Can’t think why this didn’t make it to the album. And, who stole Peter’s shirt!

[@franciscomachado4033]

Super's ready is my favorite.

[@MobiusRoom]

@Hickers75 ye this does have mahavishnu influence for sure!

[@estebanposadaduque6415]

... first picture (black & white ) at 1:00 is remarkingly so close looking like his daughter Lily Collins ...

[@Kohntarkosz]

There is no title track on Selling England By The Pound. There's a Coral sitar used during the verses of I Know What I Like. And yes, you're hearing that same instrument on this recording as well.

[@briane5706]

The title is from the song “Dancing with the Moonlit Knight” - “It’s seems he drowned, Selling England by the Pound”.

[@jamesnich99]

Good spot (the 'riff'; not the...well you know). It's been awhile since I looked on the back of Selling England; to see credits who plays the electric sitar (on I know what I like). 'thought it was Hackett, maybe not. Here it's clearly, sort of Rutherford. This improv falls in line nicely, to give it a name. It's actually quite interesting. The pics. it kindof occurs to me, never gave it much thought but aside from Gabriel changing his appearance often during the '70s..they 'all' did. cont'd

[@tombarnes7846]

You don't often hear Steve's laser guitar with what sounds like electric sitar at the same time.

[@Ghoopty]

I'm wondering (insignificant in a way) if Peter didn't get the shaved head idea from Derek Shulman of Gentle Giant. Look at the inside of "Acquiring The Taste" (released the year before Peter did the reverse Mohawk thing) and tell me if Derek doesn't have that same 'hairdo'. It was brave to do that in the early '70s.

[@twostikks1]

@windwardpro Look again, I believe someone posted a pretty clean version of "Compression" ...

[@ballroomblitzkid1994]

Where did you get all those pics? They're wonderful! Oh, and this is a cool jam, BTW.

[@lallycrumble2773]

They should have done this instead of And Then There Where Three.

[@benWTL]

Sounds a tad like I Know What I Like but with a different time signature

[@EixtremeDrummer]

IMO this kind of music cannot be improvised. 2:26 the bottom pad of Collins tom was previously used as top one... No money enough at that time for the best band ever.

[@ksjoyjespeace]

yes !!!! Mike obviously was listening to that Mahavishnu song,thus...

[@alexhouse5137]

I hear something that will become Ripples.

[@AXE668]

Funny thing is Hackett looks weirder than Gabriel in that first picture of the band.

[@fcernig33]

That's Phil drumming

[@mwol2011]

@PeterMayer: We will never know, I'm afraid. :)

[@Ghoopty]

Love the last photo....from that Belgian show, right?

[@TheCorrectAnswer56]

This sounds a lot like the beginning of The Beatles' song "Because."

[@luuhinz]

defenitely

[@anderslarsson7426]

why?

[@artysanmobile]

I doubt they ever wanted any of this to be heard. Oh well…

[@PeterMayer]

Is Mike playing the electric sitar?

[@TonyEnglandUK]

Gents - for fashion tips, pause at 2:41 Ladies - for impressive bulges, pause at 2:41

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Tony England Hackett =king dong

[@gifthorse9779]

Great post! Unisex. I liked it back then when people weren’t so prude. Course I wasn’t 1 yr old but from pictures it seems so

[@Eleventhearlofmars]

Tony England I thought your post said impressive budgies for a moment 😆

[@samurai1999]

Sounds like Fly on the Windscreen / Broadway Melody ...

[@rrubinofg]

psychedelic Genesis!

[@robbystafford8273]

i wonder what peter was doing here

[@gatolocoverga152]

making love with jill moore

[@clinteastwood6875]

Flute.

[@laurentwirz2806]

Hem!

[@21stCenturyRasselas]

2:38 Pete, what the hell? Did your codpiece get twisted sideways or something?

[@tableface77]

The beginning of it sounds like the incidental score to the Wicker Man (I refer of course to the brilliant original 1973 film with Edward Woodward and not that god awful, diabolical piece of shite so called re-make with Nicolas Cage).

[@genesisex1]

compression b side waiting in line

[@SCOTT-ki3ve]

Is Mike Rutherford playing the sitar?

[@christophwegener9939]

Understood that this ist never released official.not every Sound piece/Collage is cult or a Gift of Genius/God.just a Jam.

[@alistaircooke3233]

I hear twighlight alehouse and The music box

[@slaymakerc]

Don't hear any keyboards.. Maybe Tony on the sitar sounding guitar..?

[@bubbamike4743]

chip slaymaker there’s definitely keyboards, but their in the background, there is no bass though

[@hermanbruner2913]

Sounds like teen spirit.

[@DataC0llect0r]

is collins in this clip, i dont recognise him

[@kderinoglu]

Is it Tony Banks? or Dave Mustaine?

[@junglejim99]

Just reading Collins autobiography, I had completely forgotten how huge his solo career was and what a rat he was to the women in his life. Brilliant drummer though...

[@ElGramofono]

Sound like king crimson

[@jamesnich99]

Shave haircuts..add a beard, don't add a beard. Mixing it up to get noticed I guess: to help make the rock & roll dollar. See if Banks only grew a beard in 1973 they would've broke the American market.

[@5050MusicNow]

See more pictures exclusive photographs of Genesis at GenesisPictures.co.uk

[@vimfuego8827]

Nursery Crimes

[@marguskiis7711]

Very typical rehearsal impro of some art school band.

[@SkinyVinny]

@ElGramofono or vice versa wink wink

[@containershipfan]

Sounds like a proto Fly On A Windshield

[@laurentwirz2806]

Kids learning to play?