Puberty Blockers Can Powerfully TRANSFORM a Body - Zhenya Abbruzzese

Zhenya Abbruzzese helped co-found the Society for Evidence Based Gender Medicine (SEGM). In this talk, she explains the origins of medical transition for minors and highlights the flaws in the research that was used to mainstream the practice.
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[@nikkid4890]

I am a neuroscientist. The prepuberty brain NEEDS to go through puberty and all the hormones to mature! That includes cognitive maturing, social maturing, and isn’t limited to gonads. This is horrific

[@HAKIMOSANARQUISTAS]

35 years ago I was being called crazy and squizo, because I've said exact that in future, now , they would use hornones supressor in kids ...

[@clwaid5407]

So, do the majority of healthcare professionals genuinely believe the pseudoscience behind gender theory? I wonder if this is just another pseudoscience that will soon be discredited, just like phrenology? My fear is there is another, more nefarious silencing of the truth.

[@rickrollrizal]

​@@clwaid5407 they got forced. Especially when going against means losing your job and license. Or in some countries, jail.

[@shaec3405]

Yes. This.

[@rickrollrizal]

@@MT-ln8xb more than true. And the body isn't a stop clock. It will continue to mature. Certain hormones will stop working properly at a certain age. Growth hormones for example has a different effect on adults than in kids.

[@giselec.7806]

It's not just about "sterility", this reason means nothing for them, it's about being sexually nullified, being incapable of achieving orgasm or sexual pleasure....teens that never had even their first sexual relationship, never even had their first orgasm...and they will never have....this is the most important topic and nobody talks about

[@TheRisky9]

It's also about gratifying a fantasy.

[@mulligatawnysoup9281]

whs fantasy though?@@TheRisky9

[@margaretyoung1215]

Sterilization is important too, but I agree with your comment.

[@salvolondon]

@@margaretyoung1215honestly , when I see those masculinized women who are called “pregnant men “ I wish somehow they had been sterilized . Cause it’s really awful that they bring into the world those poor children when they are themselves so sick ,

[@christopherkucia1071]

Blockers will also permanently keep the brain underdeveloped…. Keeping children’s brains as children through “adult hood” the PERFECT “organism” to coerce, lie to, and manipulate. A whole generation of perpetual children BLASTED with propaganda, indoctrination and SUFFERING. Here’s the catch though, as children, they won’t even know they are suffering. So smart huh?!?!? FUCKING EVIL.

[@Livelovelaugh4201]

I was taking a woman’s workshop last summer. My youngest daughter was 9. Every day was a different topic. One day it was LGBTQ and we had a guest speaker. This guest speaker was F to M trans and the owner of a place called out loud. Out loud is a place for kids to hang out and feel safe. Many vulnerable children go there. I thought it was great! Until I met the owner and ask him a question. His answer left me in shock. I had told him that my 9 year old came home from school one day and told me she didn’t know if she was a boy or a girl. I told her that she is à girl but can dress how ever she wants. If you want to dress boyish some days and girlish some days she could do that. I told her that who she is perfect. . So I told this guest speaker what my response to my daughter was and ask if I had answered her correctly in his view. He said that I should have her see a dr and possibly put her on puberty blockers!! What I’m the actual F*ck?! I was flabbergasted and lost all respect for him. And now I fear for all kids who go to him for advice :( by the way, my daughter loves to do girly things. She is very et feminine. If I was a stupid parent I would have followed the advice I was given by someone with an agenda. My daughter would probably still be confused a year later. She’s fine now and all she needed to know what that she was loved and could express herself in her choice of clothes anytime. She sometimes will wear “boyish” clothes but not often.

[@sorbabaric1]

And isn’t the only reason she ever questioned whether or not she is a girl is adults around her suggesting it to her and other children.

[@georgiaamanatides4207]

Your daughter is blessed to have you as a parent. 😊 It is long known females do not become comfortable with their body until their mid to late 30's! Why we ignore such facts astonishes me. 😮

[@saoirse2963]

​@@georgiaamanatides4207100%!!! it's extremely important and nobody talk about it nowadays! So many young women (and sometimes even minors - but mostly it's young women in their early 20s) just cut off their breasts because they have "gender dysphoria" about their chests (read: feeling uncomfortable about their boobs) and I'm sure that the vast majority of them, if they waited till they are mid to late 30's they wouldn't have done it.

[@mikescollard6499]

Why all this focus on girlie things or boyish things. A woman can be a mechanic but she's still a she. A man can be a nurse and he's still a he. Great strides have been made. Now we're going backwards.

[@biozgamer5445]

Luckily that story has a good ending, your daughter is lucky to have you as a parent

[@timkelly6985]

These mad scientists would make Joseph Mengela blush.😮

[@spiki_x6863]

They work for the same bosses.

[@christophe2582]

"Some" studies from Mengele have been unofficially used by the USA, some people theorise Mendele was still alive working for the Government, probably true, as the USA's secret service hid and protected Klaus Barbie "le Boucher de Lyon"in South America.

[@2Ryled]

Western Europe, where governments and medical authorities in at least five countries that once led the way on gender-affirming treatments for children and adolescents are now reversing course, arguing that the science undergirding these treatments is unproven, and their benefits unclear...

[@Picklepop670]

If you want to sterilize young kids who are non gender conforming and therefore are more likely than not to turn out to be gay, this is a way to go about it.

[@MMMS75]

It amazes me so much time and money was invested into something that any rational minded adult realizes is abjectly stupid and harmful. MD not required to figure this out.

[@joannesmith7744]

The foundation of human rights was set up first, to make people afraid. Human rights orgs never considered women etc. duped into what to do with tiny numbers. Why consider women when only a few? At a resort where they were wined and dined. Yagykarta. Self ID and kids was waiting in the wings. It’s as appalling as not seeing it was culture for the lesbians that needed to change. Being younger had zero to do with it.

[@suheylaa1769]

10,000%

[@berthamarinaalvarez6789]

Correct!!! Just logic and common sense.

[@hkaayaakuu]

Search and Truth in fields of science and other subjects can lead people strange places

[@HAKIMOSANARQUISTAS]

​@@hkaayaakuuthis isn't science

[@timkelly6985]

This is the worst medical crime against humanity in human history.

[@wrmlm37]

Imagine thinking a lack of breast development equalled mental health for this patient "zero!" So "impressive" in her masculine presentation as if she is just a sack of body part...JFC, the lack of depth in this leap astounds me. Doc's losing the plot in such a huge way makes the entire field of medicine suspicious to me. Retired nurse who will never believe in SRS. I DO believe a tiny, tiny fraction of those who "feel" they are misgendered at any age under 22-25 yrs old, actually ARE. However, that should NEVER lead to worldwide medical experimentation on children.

[@vicgodro]

Absolutely 💯 agree with you

[@thanksmuch8547]

Tomboy girls grew up and still got married to men and had children. Puberty Growing pains they mature into adults. Just because girls don't like the idea of having breasts when they're older, doesn't mean they NEED to cut them off! The brain develops in puberty for your body, not against your own body. Should they NEED to breast feed in the future, future events are unpredictable, if a war arose or no baby formula in shops, how can they feed their newborn babies. Unless of course this is a new level of abortion for unwanted babies? Tall people have growing bones pain they go through in puberty, they don't cut their limbs off. Bible says, the less exposed personal parts of the human body, God has given more honour to, in purpose not for parades!

[@onidaaitsubasa4177]

I actually think that if someone is truly transgender, then the transition should be done genetically and not through surgery, both, because surgery doesn't provide complete results, as the patient still can't have or father children, and because a genetic transition is reversible, as all they have to do is switch activate the previous genes in the event the person regrets their decision. SRS is basically only a superficial remedy and doesn't completely satisfy a lot of individuals even if they are truly transgender and have gender dysphoria, a trans woman can still feel incomplete, I would imagine it might be similar to how a woman that has had to have a hysterectomy might feel, when your procreation system doesn't fully work it can leave you unsatisfied as you can't have kids.

[@thanksmuch8547]

@@onidaaitsubasa4177 God is genetics that's why the Father told his son Jesus not to marry, not to have sex, because humans are depraved! Jesus said, from the BEGINNING God made them male and female, one woman for one man and vice versa they become ONE. The reason man leaves his parents, to build a future with his wife. Who are the hard-hearted hard-headed? If their truly was such a thing as transgender, if a person could be both male and female, then why do they have surgeries to be one or the other? Every baby has a mum and dad, it's obvious! Jesus said "FOLLOW ME!" for this reason, the babylonian confusion. Jesus did not change gender or his sex, did he!!!

[@thanksmuch8547]

@onidaaitsubasa4177 God is genetics that's why the Father told his son Jesus not to marry, not to have sex, because humans are depraved! Jesus said, from the BEGINNING God made them male and female, one woman for one man and vice versa they become ONE. The reason man leaves his parents, to build a future with his wife. Who are the hard-hearted hard-headed? If their truly was such a thing as transgender, if a person could be both male and female, then why do they have surgeries to be one or the other? Every baby has a mum and dad, it's obvious! Jesus said "FOLLOW ME!" for this reason, the babylonian confusion. Jesus did not change gender or his sex, did he!!!

[@ebrearley3134]

This is terrifying malpractice

[@Padraigp]

So is most of medicine and psychology. It's all pretty ropey..just people with the same Brian's as you or I but more power pretending to be authorities while really they're just making a stab at it. And while some stabs land and some don't in our trying to solve problems these people because of their power cannot be seen to fail. SO bad solutions get through and often good ones get crushed. It's not like football where its the guy who makes the most goals that matters.

[@lynnmarie2962]

​@Padraigp the people doing these medical experiments are much more sinister. They are not trying to solve problems.

[@timkelly6985]

​@Padraigp I have a degree in psychology, and I agree with you completely.

[@Padraigp]

@Bob-xy5cn mine is called Brian. Lol. Jeez man!

[@rollinOnCode]

it is called leftism

[@cdreyes81]

I like how I keep hearing "professionals" saying oh you can just put a pause on puberty. No, you can't. Once you miss that train, you've just messed up

[@craigpetroskey8934]

Once the train derails, you'll never get it back on track.

[@biozgamer5445]

That is misinformation, those “professionals” should be locked up for such

[@biozgamer5445]

@@craigpetroskey8934its like the train from snowpiercer, once you miss it, it will never stop at the station again

[@Christmas-dg5xc]

"What percentage regret it afterwards," should have always been the focus.

[@RKingis]

According to most aGPs claim it never happens.

[@nicolenewsome4863]

Actually now the numbers are climbing higher and higher for the percentage of people who has regret about their transition.

[@Strange9952]

I think once you go through with that kind of thing, there's no turning back Problem is, did they ever have to go there in the first place?

[@joannesmith7744]

Most AGP don’t have surgery or do anything . It’s basically cross dressing. @@RKingis

[@altruisticflower9627]

This seems like it could be common ground for a lot of us. I think it’s a good idea to try to minimize regret. Regret can go both ways, so we should try to figure out who is more likely to regret an early transition, and who is more likely to regret a delayed or denied transition. This information could help people make better decisions in the future.

[@thermalreboot]

What is really sick about our society is the push to us not to look at things and to not gather data around ideas the are held sacred by some people so that they can then tell us that there is no evidence of harm. It's the same sickness we see in some states that declare shoplifting isn't a crime unless the value of stolen goods is $900 or greater and then they tell us crime has gone down.

[@steve-g4k]

is no longer a crime and Oh...crime has gone down LMAO

[@joannekearney5329]

Couldn't it be cognitive dissonance when a patient says that they are happier after the process? After going through all of this.. it seems it would be difficult to admit you had made a mistake. I am not sure how you get an answer to this question...

[@rosablume4346]

And the most important question, for how long afterwards do you ask the transitioners

[@MiddlePath33]

Also, how do you trust the answer from anyone who thinks they can actually change their gender?

[@katieandnick4113]

That’s denial, not cognitive dissonance. For some reason, people often say “cognitive dissonance” when they mean “denial”. Cognitive dissonance is the feeling you get when you hold two conflicting beliefs, on a conscious level. So, if a person were experiencing cognitive dissonance after transitioning, they would be thinking it was a big mistake, but also that they are supposed to be happy and they need to be happy in order to maintain their membership in their social group. In order to avoid that feeling, they employ denial, and repress their regret into their subconscious mind. The thing about denial is that those thoughts and feelings are still there and they still affect us, even if they aren’t in our consciousness most of the time. In fact, they affect us even more than if we did accept them into consciousness because if they were conscious, we could deal with them and do something to make us ultimately feel better. Everyone, and I mean everyone, lives in denial on some level. People who tend to experience the most denial(in avoidance of cognitive dissonance) are those with very fragile egos. People who many would label as narcissistic and/or borderline, though borderlines are more in touch with and accepting of their fragility, which actually means they have stronger(not weaker) egos than so called “narcissists”. People who can admit they have no idea who they are tend to be the people with the strongest egos, however counterintuitive that may seem.

[@79Clochette]

​@@katieandnick4113yes exactly, very well put. Cognitive dissonance is like when someone keeps eating animals but pretends to respect them or to care about the planet and our children's future.

[@7beers]

@@katieandnick4113 You couldn't be more wrong. Denial can be closely related to cognitive dissonance, as the definition below makes clear: "Cognitive dissonance describes when we avoid having conflicting beliefs and attitudes because it makes us feel uncomfortable. The clash is usually dealt with by rejecting, debunking, or avoiding new information."

[@AlexandrosV88]

VERY well presented. One of the best talks on how we got here that I've seen. I didn't know who she is despite years of keeping up with this gender stuff. You guys should try to promote this one as much as possible. 👍

[@vicgodro]

Bravo, excellent work Zhenya! I enjoyed every second of this presentation and we absolutely need more of this. I honestly think that we've seen a boom in transitioning because of social media influence which has created a social contagion.

[@irenalovesart4064]

I think she was a good speaker, clear and organised. No hyperbole just the facts

[@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs]

Yes.

[@markrussell3428]

Totally. Very much a matter of facts nothing hyperbolic

[@MsElke11]

But her final question: "Just because we can transition, should we?" doesn't do much towards changing today's TRANS ideologies.

[@КсенияПолтавец-ж7э]

Scientist are not allowed to be ideological.

[@bobbellendovich6825]

"Just because we can, should we?"

[@janehampton2866]

Like cloning.

[@RaptorFromWeegee]

@@janehampton2866 Why shouldn't we clone? If the effacacy is proven, why not?

[@DemitriVladMaximov]

@@RaptorFromWeegee Lack of genetic diversity that can easily result in mass die-off from a single disease, the fact clones have a far shorter lifespan as the DNA already starts from a damaged state, the fact it doesn't promote healthy gene flow so the potential for beneficial mutations can arise, the detachment of parenthood as only one set of genes are being passed on rather than the genes of both parents....the list goes on.

[@PepitoMegaChocolato]

@@RaptorFromWeegee read Huxley's brave new world and you will have your answer

[@alaakela]

Are those two Dutch doctors still alive? Practicing? What do they have to say in defence of their work?

[@BodilWandt]

Thank you so much for this information. Very interesting. A horrifying example of how something with such huge impact can start in such a messy mix of dishonesty, prejudice from the oppressions in the culture and lack of authentic respect for human lives and bodies. This information will take time to integrate. It will have a profound impact on me.

[@catherineberry6971]

like Darwins theory of evolution that is being taught as fact in schools.

[@ellenmendoza7246]

​@@catherineberry6971 that's because it's a real... intelligent people understand this.. thankfully European countries are banning puberty blockers which was experimental and is proving to be very damaging for people's long-term health

[@JackHaveman52]

@@catherineberry6971 Yet, evolution happens, every day. There is truth to it. It's why antibiotics quit working. The viruses are evolving so as to be able to resist the negative effects of antibiotics. Not everything is known about how animals evolve and that's why so many have problems with the science of it. It ends in the dismissal of the entire idea and that could have significant bad effects on medicine and agriculture. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

[@helgashouseofpain]

Yes, thank you for co-founding SEGM, and doing this very important work. This presentation really made an impression. I wish more people could see it. What happened to do no harm? I wish I could understand these doctors and their completely twisted idea of “medicine”…medicine’s soul purpose should be to return the human body to its natural state. Anything else is cosmetic, and therefore unnecessary and frankly unethical in my mind. This whole practice is so twisted and preys on vulnerable people.

[@Amber4]

I wonder how much money these transitions have cost society?? And now the de-transition operations? Healthcare costs are sky high. How far can this go?

[@magpiegirl3783]

I believe transition is covered by US healthcare but detransition is not.

[@misshestermofet2288]

Well, it's an experiment, so we will see

[@lynnmarie2962]

​@@magpiegirl3783US government costs are paid for by taxpayers. That is what people forget.

[@nastja33]

fantastic presentation. i didn't know a lot of the history prior to the dutch protocol. very interesting to know that even the very early studies with adults had problems

[@DorianPaige00]

I guess now adults can all come off their medication until you get a study that impresses you. Maybe next week we'll negotiate whether we get shot by a firing squad as we're out to "groom the youth". If we kill ourselves before that, it will be suicide and you'll add it to the numbers of your study. This line of thinking and commenting sounds extreme. What "study" do you need other than the fact that someone's life is improving and if it isn't, one simply stops treatment and goes another route? If gender transition leaves one with semi-permanent/permanent body changes so will natal puberty but in someone who is dysphoric, it will hurt them. Genspect and LGB Alliance has formed a coalition with conservatives on this issue but do they realize that conservatives feel gays will be unhappy because in the conservative eye, gays misuse their body parts. Genspect and LGB Alliance also claim that one can act however they want and be their birth sex. Transgender people agree with that as well but conservatives don't. Watch how you grease the wheel as it may run you over.

[@sashabenoit1518]

That is absolutely NOT a Christian view. Christians believe that we are made in the image of God (The Holy Trinity, The Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit and the mind, body, and soul of man). God knew us in our Mother's womb and He made us perfect the way we are. It would actually go against our beliefs to modify or mutilate our bodies in any way and would be seen as defiling God's creation. We are taught to accept and love ourselves as God made us and even if we don't always understand God's reasoning for things sometimes, that we are to put our trust and faith in Him, that He has a greater plan for us. The soul is eternal and our body is its temple. We are of flesh and blood in this life on Earth and the body is sacred. The body, mind, and soul are equal parts that makes us, us. We are taught to care for all of them but nowhere is it stated that we are to change or alter our physical bodies to satisfy our minds because of a self perception or discomfort. We're actually taught that our mind and emotions can deceive us, all the more reason to put our trust in His word. 🤍🙏🕊️

[@gin1740]

Abrahamic religions are man-made fiction and their religions are systems of patriarchal power through war, and do not forget the subjugation of women and the sexual abuse of women and children.

[@cmemichaelson3505]

”Normalizing the deviant by demonizing the prevailing is the marginalized's method of self-justification”!

[@realamarica]

There are so many reasons why this should never have been done and should not be done today.

[@lindafish2789]

Why would anyone try to interrupt normal development?

[@RedWaveGraphics]

Population control.

[@canelareina3795]

​@@RedWaveGraphics bingo

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

Evil always finds means of destruction.

[@helenestiernstrand6575]

Because people are crazy?

[@RaptorFromWeegee]

@@RedWaveGraphics But its not a high enough percentage who are transitioning to have a big effect on population size. We need to get up to around 25% of kids transitioning before we see a good sized dent into population. Thats why REAL education on this is vital, to get that percentage up.

[@raymondtonkin6755]

The fundamental is that two different things can't be made the same with a cut and paste process! 😮

[@1976mcfarlane]

Dr Julia Mason was my kid's doctor for a while here in Wisconsin many years ago. I was sad to see her leave that clinic . I recently saw her do an interview on Buck Angels channel. I wish we had more people like them

[@jonahansen]

I have to admit that I can't relate to the idea that a person has so little else to think about than whether they are a man or a woman, and let it take over their consciousness.

[@nicolenewsome4863]

I can't relate either although I do feel sorry for the ones who have gender dysphoria but, I can't stand the ones who do have gender dysphoria and are so damn frustrating because they try to push it on children who aren't mature enough and most likely not mentally healthy to make those kind of permanent decisions.

[@altruisticflower9627]

It’s almost like you don’t understand gender dysphoria… We have other things to think about just like everyone else; we just have gender dysphoria on top of that. We don’t “let it take over our consciousness”; it is there even if we try to distract ourselves or will it away (which many of us were under immense pressure to do for years or decades).

[@GalsWhoFixStuff]

This is a very condescending comment. Apparently you don’t suffer from internalized homophobia, internalized sexism, or gender dysphoria so you can’t comprehend the depth of the suffering these folks are experiencing. Don’t let that stop you from trying to empathize. Stay human.

[@helenestiernstrand6575]

It seems to mirror anorexia - they become selfcentered in a sick manner.

[@ALBUMOF2008]

Literally get some real problems to kick up a fuss about 😅

[@Jo15673]

Why SUBJECTIVE self reporting is problematic af - patients said they're 'happier' - but upon further inspection, their lives did not improve by any objective measurable metric.

[@SonoftheWest316]

right. I was much happier when I was homeless and smoking powerful narcotics every day than I am now that I work and pay taxes. Happiness is not the gold standard.

[@youareherediversity7321]

@@SonoftheWest316yes, that is why the subjective measures are more than ‘are you happier’. I live with a transgender woman. The difference in emotional wellbeing now she is living as a woman is very tough to quantify- but very, very real.

[@GlasPthalocyanine]

​@@youareherediversity7321 I'd guess the definition of happiness would be more like purpose. My cousin transitioned F>M. As an adolescent, she made sense as a whole person. As a man he makes sense as a whole different person. My cousin put off university and a career until after his transition because that was the purpose of his new life. And his purpose was a career in music, so nothing to do with self expression through a sexual partner, or which toilets to use.

[@ddhqj2023]

And could that be more a result of public attitudes? Which is more a condemnation of 'people like you' than it is of the procedure, the doctors or the individuals who thought they wanted that done. After all, if some of todays haters are any example of closed and bigoted minds, back in the 80's and 90's and prior could hardly have been kinder or more accepting.

[@Jo15673]

@@ddhqj2023 can you provide more details about how they are bigoted & how it’s their bigoted minds that are the problem. So objective measures of someone’s life getting better are actually also bigoted & close minded? Can you elaborate?

[@dunkel.760]

Thank you Genspect! Another great and informative video!

[@DrGreenGiant]

The soul is broken so that gives justification to break the body to match it. Without any preface of, "after exploration of every reasonable mental healthcare," this is so unbelievably ridiculous. When it comes to kids it's grooming.

[@njalsand133]

Surgery done to children, and giving them body altering drugs is best avoided as much as possible.

[@j.l-w9959]

What’s interesting is the human behavior. We always look back and say how could people have been so barbaric and then we do exactly the same things. Today lobotomies look barbaric but back then it was considered health care. The mob doesn’t listen to reason and it seems we will never outgrow this.

[@altruisticflower9627]

Who are “the mob” though? Many who attempt to restrict gender-affirming care are doing so based on religion, not reason. People seek out anecdotes to support what they already believe. If you’re going to call the other side “the mob” when there are humans with biases on both sides, couldn’t that be a recipe for doing the same things over again?

[@TheRisky9]

I use lobotomies as an example why the questions are important when people say, "gender affirming care helps trans kids." I say, "Help them how?" Because if we were only looking to calm manic patients, then lobotomies look great. They will calm a patient. But if we take a hollisitic look at it, the reality is much more grim. This is why I direct my arguments against transgender care about overall quality of life.

[@helenestiernstrand6575]

Modern medication developement made lobotomi unnecessary - now doctors can controll patients via drugs.

[@bthe1doright462]

This blows my mind - - all the piled up non sensical reasons these protocols went forward and were propagated in other countries. We are looking at a few specific patients - a few specifically interested medical professionals - - NO PEER REVIEW - - NO INCLUSIVE LARGE SCALE SAMPLES - - W T F ?

[@Songbirdstress]

Look up the evidence on which they banned DDT and your mind will be unblown.

[@danlavoy7560]

Coercive persuasion is a social influence technique capable of producing substantial changes in behavior and attitudes that is applied to bring about "learning" and "social normalization" through coercive tactics, persuasion and/or manipulative group and/or interpersonal influence. It is distinguished by the conditions under which it is practiced and by the environmental and interpersonal manipulation techniques used to suppress particular behaviors or beliefs and/or lead to others. Coercive persuasion or “thought reform” can be defined as a coordinated system of coercive influence and behavioral control designed to manipulate and deceive an individual for the perpetrator's benefit.

[@stuartmunro2474]

Surgical interventions for psychological problems have a history that includes lobotomy, electroconvulsive therapy, and deep sleep therapy. This is not a road responsible physicians wish to travel.

[@lmoore3567]

"Transsexual was the term at the time." It should STILL be the term--it was softened so the industry could sell it to children.

[@rubyruby6358]

Many transsexuals who are against transitioning minors still use this term to describe themselves

[@Peekaboo-Kitty]

I've never met a clear and level headed adolescent ever!

[@angelsuniverse6021]

1965 as Bruce Reimer, was the 1st trans baby made by doctors....and twin brother....and they should talk about that story (history) on all schools!

[@altruisticflower9627]

That case is well known by trans people and our doctors. The thing is that Reimer wasn’t trans; he was raised as a girl after a botched circumcision and came to identify as a man despite that. Current treatment for trans kids is closer to the opposite: they have to insist on who they are, usually for years, in order to eventually get surgery, generally as adults.

[@RKingis]

David was never trans, nor was he trans wanting to detransition. In a messed up way, his story is what happened to some Intersex babies assigned female at birth because they weren't viewed as male enough.

[@elouise5593]

​@@altruisticflower9627 Many DO grow out of wanting to be the opposite gender, once they start puberty.

[@elouise5593]

​@@RKingis No such thing as intersex, when they test the babies DNA, they are either MALE or FEMALE.

[@altruisticflower9627]

@@elouise5593 Puberty blockers generally are not started until puberty starts, in part for this reason. Dysphoria may resolve for some at this time, but it persists or worsens for others.

[@LeCerfMalade]

Extremely interesting, thank you!

[@jujujudio]

Stop. Just stop the insanity.

[@Tina-i3i]

Why don't the doctors who are promoting this way why don't they be the first guinea pigs...why don't they all take it if it so transforming for the better...do they feed that to their own kids and them selves...if it so safe take it it self!

[@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968]

They are treating a dysfunction in a patient that they themselves do not have, the problem is the treatment is fraudulent just like using leaches to treat malaria or a band aid on a heart attack.

[@youareherediversity7321]

Because they are not trans? Do diabetes doctors take the insulin injections to check they are safe?

[@RKingis]

What if they did?

[@elouise5593]

​@@RKingis I doubt that any of them have.

[@RKingis]

@@elouise5593 The gatekeeping system is being broken down from the inside, and who would be getting rid of it?

[@NineInchTyrone]

All the children that were drugged and mutilared ? Tough shit. There was money to be made. Human sacrifices to profit

[@wrmlm37]

If only the UK docs' study, that COULDN'T replicate Dutch outcomes, was actually LISTENED to, then the now closed Tavistock clinic would never have been able to irretrivably alter or ruin so many lives. A sort of weaning process for/from services necessitated delay of closure of Tavistock, to March 2024...I would like to see a follow up on the kids denied treatment due to these closures, in a decade. No doubt a "victim" mentality will have beset some, and for them, I wish you good luck, and perhaps some treatment at a different clinic to support your mental health. However, there will undoubtedly be, IMO, a majority who will find themselves relieved to be spared the fallout so many of the children before them, suffered.

[@jhickman4735]

Listening to detransitioners is crucial in all of this. Ritchie Herron has said that he thought those who had been on puberty blockers actually 'passed' less than those who have never taken them. For him to say that is hugely significant.

[@robertjones7327]

Sex is not assigned at birth. It is observed.

[@lynnmarie2962]

Sex is biological, not something a person can decide. There is something very sinister going on, with people using pop culture to plant seeds of confusion into the minds of vulnerable people, on a global scale.

[@youareherediversity7321]

Yes it is assigned based on what is observed. However there are a number of intersex conditions that result in the observed sex not matching the hormonal or genetic sex. That is before you even consider gender identity. Assigned sex at birth is the term used to describe the sex marked on the birth certificate based on physical characteristics. For the majority of people assigned sex matches actual sex, but for a minority it does not. If you cannot imagine being in that situation, congratulations on being cisgender, but this is not the same for everyone.

[@JackHaveman52]

@@youareherediversity7321 I've searched high and low and I've yet to discover ONE human, who was born with the XY chromosome, that has given birth. That person doesn't exist....unless you want to count the Virgin Mary and I rather doubt that you do. The intersex conditions that you mentioned are just that.......conditions and no different than any other condition that a person could be born with. We are born to be men and women. Without this binary, we'd be extinct. It is at the heart of evolution, not just for humans but for all advanced species. It's how biological diversity is maintained. In-breeding can be extremely devastating to survival and is the reason why binary sex evolved.

[@rosablume4346]

Even though she claims to speak on scientific findings only I could not make myself watch it to the end. Did she ever mention autogynophilia in this context? Or the necessity to help young teenage women, or rather girls, psychologically? There are so many detransitioners cropping up whose stories have in common that they were still unhappy after transitioning because the root of (multiple) problems were still there And no one would really help them or ask much later A scalpel - which is what puberty blocker most often lead to - cannot cut away severe emotional problems

[@youareherediversity7321]

@@rosablume4346 no. Because that was not what she was addressing. This was a lecture looking at ways the data is used. Her main point was that the research that found high levels of comfort after transition failed to include those who dropped out. This is a genuine concern. We need to be looking at that minority of people who detransition and their experience, because that would help identify when the treatment is not effective. Unfortunately the negative attitude towards trans people is blocking the respectful study of those who are and are not happy and more whole after transition. Unfortunately there are so many non trans people pushing their negative attitudes, fear and lack of understanding of the trans experience and preventing the honest discussion of gender experience.

[@ianthornton4760]

Investigative research in to the roots of humanity shouldn't be carried out amongst the young. The problem naturally nature has defence mechanisms. That would alter the specifics of the research. It could only result in the extinction of humanity. If you value the specific path your heading on in the name of research. If you look at the evidence you neglecting to gather. It only leaves a trail of destruction.

[@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377]

I just hate the misinformed TikToks and whatnot claiming puberty blockers are like "fun" for kids to take with no adverse effects. Shit will lead to a PERMANENT effect.

[@andig5761]

Home of the Brave, To rewrite a famous quote, “Evil is allowed to persist when good and decent people behave as if they’re cowards.” For now, they have fierce shunning tactics. Speak up and be brave BEFORE laws of punishment are made. All mammals are dimorphic. Period. Stand up for truth. Be like Galileo. Be brave. I know you have a kind heart, use logic and don’t let them gaslight you anymore.

[@tom-kz9pb]

The use of puberty blockers is far from settled science. Its use should be a very high bar, and last resort, at best, such as in cases of high risk of suicide brought on emotional distress at the start of puberty, Parental consent does not completely equate to informed consent of the actual patient whose life is affected.

[@mr.mclibtard5015]

It is very settled science

[@elouise5593]

​@@mr.mclibtard5015 Nope.

[@elouise5593]

Instead of puberty blockers, how about intensive psychotherapy and psych meds?

[@agnes1250]

​@@elouise5593No meds necessary, just get to the cause of the dysphoric feelings and don't forget to treat the family.

[@StefanReich]

@@mr.mclibtard5015 They don't even know the long term effects. You are lying

[@maryjo3550]

I don't understand why this has to be explained! It should in no way be excepted! These doctors doing these surgery s should be in prison!

[@Kindisbetter]

Goodman and Gilman, The Pharmaceutical Basis of Therapeutics 9th edition, published 1996 does not discuss hormone blockers extensively. This text is considered the leading reference of drug therapy. Estrogen assists bone reformation after loss via the pituitary gland, and vitamin D conversion to active form. Estrogen helps maintain lipid metabolism. Estrogen decreases fasting glucose. Estrogen assists hormone binding of cortisol, and thyroid function. Since estrogen is an euphoric agent estrogen blockers contribute to dysphoria. Hormone blockers affect multiple endocrine systems that maintain regeneration of healthy tissue. There is far more studies needed before full on advocation is accepted. The Dutch team studies were flawed in that 1) low sample size 2) 2011 observations of “clear level headed” adolescents 3) 2014 study a subset of 2011 not controlled, double blind observations. Cases were selected by early onset not by three phases of gender dysphoria.

[@altruisticflower9627]

If a book was published in 1996, it would be missing 28 years of medical advancements in 2024. Why use the 9th edition, then, rather than the 14th edition?

[@suheylaa1769]

Screenshoting. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼🧠💡

[@suheylaa1769]

I was wondering how estrogen and cortisol interacted. TYSM

[@elouise5593]

And most post menopausal women cannot get a doctor to prescribe HRT, because they are afraid SOME women will get cancer, even though MOST women who don't have those cancers in their family will NEVER get it! I would RATHER NOT be crippled with osteoporosis if I don't have to be! I would rather NOT be battling my weight so that I won't have type 2 diabetes, which DOES run in my family!

[@zxyatiywariii8]

​@@elouise5593I hear you! Although I'm not yet menopausal, I think women with no family history of estrogen-linked cancer SHOULD be able to get HRT. That's a perfectly reasonable treatment for many women, who are at greater risk of osteoporosis and diabetes. I really resent the way some doctors seem to think we women are too stupid to assess the risks as grown adults.

[@pseudonamed]

great to hear about the research

[@thepainfreemethod]

Why would you need a pill to support how you feel? Dangerous nonsense

[@skylinefever]

Some people are on antidperessants because being told to "Just cheer up" by therapists does not work.

[@SonoftheWest316]

This channel should be way bigger

[@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs]

Smart lady.

[@terrybeaud9348]

I'm glad she made this presentation !! Eyes open !!

[@mrofnocnon]

Read the book "Irreversible Damage"by A Shrier.

[@Scary_Sary]

Such an inversion of Christian ethics. Christianity comforts the one whose soul is troubled with their God’s sovereign hand over their lives (including their gender) and encourages them to affirm truth and find contentment in Jesus who is Life, love, peace and joy Himself. Not accepting tragic lies with tragic consequences. We’re in this mess sadly because so many so-called “Christians” didn’t know their Bibles or the faith they claimed to be part of.

[@skylinefever]

If Christian ethics existed, maybe there would be no spreading of paranoid schizophrenia though hellfire and brimstone sermons. Pascal can take his Wager and shove it.

[@maanvis81]

One missing puzzle piece of this is that Peggy Cohen-Kettenis once attended a seminar by John Money: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHWyZXmhfpp5b9E

[@maanvis81]

I also created (crappy) subtitles for the last part of the video, which is about the puberty blockers: kzbin.info/www/bejne/d2jKaqN_ob2fo7M

[@SonoftheWest316]

helpful to know

[@c.a.greene8395]

As a young girl in the 70's had i been sold this fairytale i would have jumped at the chance to transition just to take my name of the preferred prey list... I had been sexually assaulted as an infant, and it continued for over a decade...i had numerous offenders during my childhood...i feared the attention of adult men and tried to do everything in my power to make myself as ugly as possible, going so far as shaving my head and wearing ugly clothes...or dying my hair green... Women and young girls are always on display... Mens eyes roam ober our bodies constantly, some openly gawk...some make lude comments... We are always being judged...too fat, too thin, big breasts, no breasts, flat ass, fat ass, too tall, too short snd on snd on it goes... Boys however do not get told how to sit( knees snd ankles together) and how to speak ( never say words like 'hot' say warm etc) they do not have to dpend time grooming themselves everyday because no one is judging them...they have no house work to do, they rarely have a curfew...no one tells them to change their clothes before they leave the house... Boys are free...girls are prey...and we live our lives as window dressing, constantly on display...

[@commonsensemaker5195]

The way these professionals speak I cannot understand if they are for or against the topic at hand.

[@Livelovelaugh4201]

Many regret it but don’t say it out loud be cause if they do they get shunned from the LGBTQ community. Kids are getting push into this. Once on the train they don’t stop because they were told it’s going to fix everything. When they realize it didn’t fix they way they felt then suffer in silence. Many unalive themselves. It’s very sad.

[@lindachallenger1554]

I think the doctors and affiliated administrators should be educated on this.

[@kate60]

Excellent presentation. How horrible to lead anyone down this deadly path. Stand Firm

[@msbao517]

This is our modern Dr Jekyll

[@neshama44]

The world is turning step by step common sense is coming back against this horrible medical scandal

[@bradvincent3776]

The alphabet mafia better not get wind of this video.

[@pbohearn]

“The Christine Jorgensen story” was a B level movie I think came out in the early 60s

[@dordagiovex9989]

where did funding/congress invites for these dutch doctors come from, pharma industry? American cosmetic surgeon association?

[@suheylaa1769]

Yep

[@simonewilliams7224]

What she did not clarify was what a “hormone blocker” is and what “sex reassignment hormones” are; and really do ?????

[@RKingis]

Hormone blockers, block hormones from entering the body.

[@monicalee9659]

​@@RKingisyou don't know by that response.

[@christopherkucia1071]

@@monicalee9659lol he was close. It stops your BODY from producing certain CRUCIAL developmental hormones. Permanently losing out on an amount of puberty with a single dose of blocker even. I won’t even speak about the physical horrors, but the brain does not develope into an adult either. Perpetual susceptible and suffering patients very easy to coerce and mislead and confuse.

[@peterjames174]

people are starving, and people are focused on this meaningless crap, want feed anyone just a waste of resources.

[@maggienewton8518]

thank you

[@rachginsberg]

That last sentence. Exactly!

[@EarthlingEveryman-zv7bs]

32:00 "And so I want to finish with a quote from our study with Dr. Levine and Dr. Mason. There is no doubt that puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones can powerfully transform a body. There's also no doubt that this is a pathway toward chemical sterility and that most children who start puberty blockers proceed with cross-sex hormones. So, yes, we dó have the medical technology to transform adolescent bodies. But the real question is: Just because we cán, shóuld we? Thank you."(applause).

[@MagdalenaTheremin]

This is a very good channel. A healthy body shouldn't get mutilated.

[@МарияТарасова-е6я]

I'm sorry in advance for my English. I am from "backward" Russia and I first heard about it from this video. At first I thought it was some kind of joke or weird stuff, but then I read the comments and was shocked. Anyone who has completed a school biology course should understand that this is a shitty idea.

[@julielindholme9584]

I cannot wait till these people are held accountable for what they are doing to minor children. But God.

[@n.b.8450]

A very good presentation. Thank you very much.

[@Acoustic-Rabbit-Hole]

Look, mommy! I'm turning into a beautiful butterfly. Oh, wait--I've become a monster.

[@tarnyaattwell4841]

Also rhe adult brain is not set and finished intil the age of 25. So we should be extremely careful about starting treatments that can't be reversed.

[@MagdalenaTheremin]

The life situation - being able to work and suport for oneself- is the most important objective outcome. 👏🏻 SRS, transition doesn't help those people

[@Lollipop_Lexi]

A girl has an obsessive fear of puberty, so instead of helping her face it psychologically they give her drugs never used for that purpose before? I’ve lost all faith in the medical fraternity with this abhorrent malpractice and after Covid.

[@DarenMiller-qj7bu]

You know, i don't think i want to eat a hotdog now.

[@Gorgonzeye]

"Castrations were common in Europe." We should never opened our border to that continent.

[@skylinefever]

Maybe they should be common for sex criminals.

[@briannabanks1659]

I saw Christine Jorgensen featured in graphic novel called “Brazen: Rebel ladies who rocked the world” that was in the kid/teen area of my library. I ripped those pages out because I was so mad.

[@ddhqj2023]

So you're into destruction of public property.

[@briannabanks1659]

@@ddhqj2023 I’m into the destruction of propaganda, yeah. Especially propaganda targeted towards children. Also, far better than the other side’s tactics of openly threatening violence against people who disagree with their deranged ideology….

[@briannabanks1659]

@@ddhqj2023 I’m into destruction of propaganda, yeah. Especially when it’s targeted towards children. Also, a lot better than the other side’s tactics of threats and v I o l e n c e against people who don’t agree with their deranged ideology…

[@briannabanks1659]

@@ddhqj2023 I’m into destruction of propaganda, yeah. Especially when it’s targeted towards children. Also, a lot better than the other sides tactics of threats and v l o l e n c e against people who don’t agree with their de ranged ideology…

[@briannabanks1659]

@@ddhqj2023 I’m into destruction of propaganda, yeah. Especially when it’s targeted towards children. Also, a lot better than the other sides tactics of t h r e a t s and v l o l e n c e against people who don’t agree with their de ranged ideology…

[@gduggany]

Good job. These blockers are evil.

[@altruisticflower9627]

The drugs themselves are certainly not evil; even if you don’t support pediatric transition, they can be helpful for precocious puberty. I knew a man who went through puberty in third grade (no blockers); the direct and indirect effects of that screwed him up for life.

[@elouise5593]

​@@altruisticflower9627 They cause osteoporosis! I have a niece who has to take lupron for an unrelated medical issue and she has developed osteoporosis at a young age!

[@NJIT22]

Zhenya is a Russian version of English name Eugenia

[@madmaninabox3638]

Disgusting Malpractice

[@BarnabyWild13]

Medical malpractice is not transphobic.

[@matthasl4164]

Leave the children alone, you will face God's wrath.

[@GreggGiblin-sy5og]

Almost certainly not, but I agree, we need to protect children.

[@lindapratt119]

So sad they decided it was better to stop puberty instead of giving the young girl some support to face her fears and help her through that!!! OMG she's scared.. lets take away the thing that's frightening her?? much better than holding her hand and giving support??!!

[@youareherediversity7321]

Or is it beneficial to delay the frightening thing while providing treatment? If delaying puberty for precocious puberty is effective and not more harmful than going through puberty at 5, why is it harmful for a 14 year old who needs some time to work out what they are struggling with and whether the solution is male or female puberty? If a child is in extreme distress we need to treat the distress, not just tell them to get on with it.

[@flyingmonkeydeathsquadronc968]

@@youareherediversity7321 There is risks involved with providing puberty blockers at age 5 however those risks are weighed against the risks of going through puberty at that age. If a child is in extreme distress diagnosing the actual cause of the distress, rather than thrusting experimental medicine with a risk of sterilization at the child, might be more useful. It seems to me that her distress was due to trauma caused by her father.

[@christopherkucia1071]

@@youareherediversity7321it was never any good for me to delay ANYTHING I was fearful of or didn’t want to do. Very debilitating to me as a young man.

[@WeeedyMcMeth]

The phase reducing humans to chemical reactions is telling.

[@skylinefever]

Well, what do you expect when people get happiness out of doing drugs?

[@christinemurray8542]

Clear-headed, level-headed adolescents.? I don’t think so.

[@SherieLowe]

This is horrible. Children are not lab rats!

[@weouryourthem]

I am going to watch again in case I heard wrong , but if those girls were so smart and well adjusted why were they in therapy ??

[@rachellandry3116]

what does smart have to do with therapy...? 🤔

[@weouryourthem]

@@rachellandry3116 smart people don't cut off perfectly good body parts, and destroy their future fertility. Maybe we just could call them extra easy to brainwash, whatever word they're not using common sense...

[@weouryourthem]

@@rachellandry3116 and I think people should smarten up and not go to therapy if this is what it's going to do to people, I cannot believe the amount of people that give control of their brains to other people and pay to give it them ..

[@rabidcentrist]

Because if you're smart and perceptive, you'll quickly need therapy.

[@irenalovesart4064]

Because they girls wanted to marry their girlfriends and had to be men to do it

[@Anne_Onymous]

Absolutely terrifying

[@rabzde-rivers7232]

Very powerful talk and some quite sad studies

[@levimora3025]

Stop referring to these men as She and vice versa.... that Christine was a man and there's no reason to actually refer to him as a she.....

[@cathipa]

Her last statement should be the question every practitioner should ask themselves. Just because we have the technology doesn’t mean we need to use it. Creating too many Dr. Mengele protégés.

[@natalievu4399]

Wow, why are you all playing into the "I mustn't misgender" game?