The EV LAWSUITS ARE COMING! (Part 2)

A man has successfully returned his EV due to the range being nowhere near what the manufacturer claimed… is this the first of many?
#ev #news #electriccar
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[@GeoffBuysCars]

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[@lesklower7281]

Another nail in tbe coffin for EVs is it the end of EVs if all the EV car builders start getting sued for the fact that there said range doesn't live up to expectations when was maker of I.C.E vehicles ever sued about the mph of the car somebody bought didn't do as was stated when they bought infact any ICE vehicle l have bought never mentioned mph kilometres per 100 kilometres but sometimes an l.C.E. vehicle performed better than what they read about the mpg of the car they bought

[@user-zc1os5eu6q]

Geoff reads media. Wow.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

And what videos should I be making then…?

[@user-zc1os5eu6q]

How about factual and original with research and due diligence being applied instead of quoting media reports all the time? If a monkey could speak, it could do what you do. Don't go down the same old, same old. Leave that to the Crapmaster.

[@DwaynePipes]

It's funny, most people on this channel say, MSM can't be trusted, following the WEF (or whatever) agenda etc etc. BUT whenever MSM prints a story that aligns with their own agenda, well it's all truth, light and happiness! You couldn't make it up! 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnlesoudeur3653]

Spending over £41,000 for a car with only a 150 mile range will get you a WEF and Darwinian award.

[@GeoffBuysCars]

I fully agree.

[@kendalson7100]

Yup.

[@cropduster8798]

And a muppet gong.

[@lightale1367]

😎👍

[@ibrstellar1080]

And probably an OBE.

[@grahamsmith8091]

Bring on the " Have you been mis-sold and electric car ?" claims.... can't wait. That will knock sales of new ev's

[@svr5423]

Better call Saul :)

[@Kenny-tc6rg]

Did you own a VAG electrically propelled vehicle between 2021 and 2023. You maybe entitled to compassion. 😂😂😂

[@phillipbridge5009]

Wait till there ate no car companies and you need tonfind hay for a donkey.

[@interceptor-ss8kb]

When you think diesel gate pretty much broke Volkswagen , this EV gate could be so much bigger I don't think companies like Ford will survive it as its already in deep financial crap in the Usa

[@AnonJohn143]

EV-gate here we come

[@snappingclam8801]

EVs not meeting expectations? Shocking.

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

no, no, the "shocking" is a different fault altogether.

[@jakefriesenjake]

1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Some people get extreme range anxiety 3. Much higher risk of garage fires...... 4. Paying $15k to $20k more than a comparable vehicle.. 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance from the battery in the cold, on the highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms. 10. Higher insurance rates. The UK is a great example. 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot, if you use it in cars that have that feature. 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

[@jakefriesenjake]

Here's more... 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage..... 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better, but... The state of new Jersey will have a new annual road tax for Ev buyers, starting July 1st, 2024. The fee starts at $250 in July and will increase by $10 until 2028, when it reaches $290. EV buyers in the state will also have to pay four years of registration fees upfront, making it significantly more expensive to purchase a new electric model. Other states also have their own way of collecting money. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat, which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge cargo ship, the whole cargo ship sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and ok, some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the fuse or breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of "slow" chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. 50. BMW i5 Ev cars and some similar models of BMW protect their battery life. If you DC "fast" charge to many times, a message pops up saying that you must wait 2 days to "fast DC charge" again. This protects your battery. Some say that you can DC fast charge, but at a reduced rate, and some say that the alarm resets once you ac charge 1 time. 51. With the promise of "better, cheaper battery technology", many people are waiting for that technology to arrive... (allegedly). That is pushing down the price of current Ev sales. This also pushes down price of the used Ev market. When Tesla continually cut down the price of new ev's, to artificially stoke demand, it also pushes down the price of all used ev's as well. 52. Right now, the cost of throwing out or recycling your Ev Battery is $zero. One day, I'll imagine that there will be a heavy fee to get rid of your battery (allegedly). *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt. Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese Polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate. The CEO of Hertz, Stephen Scherr, is stepping down from his position late March, 2024. He blamed EVs for the Loss of revenue. The cars were more expensive to maintain than Hertz had initially thought, and the company couldn’t make as much money selling them, when it needed to refresh its offerings.

[@paul756uk2]

No shock with a flat battery.

[@nathansmith7153]

Hey stupid - do actually believe the garbage from this clown?

[@jonathancollard3710]

Forget 0 to 60mph acceleration times…. It’s going to be £60k to 0k depreciation rates being quoted in “Top Trumps” 🤪

[@pauljohnson9326]

Lmfao😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@hughblack6831]

Some EV prices are quite literally "shocking". Audi E-Tron GT, okay it's a £100K+ car (Macmasters cheaper cousin) but 2 year old models are going for less than £45k, and many have been on sale for months. No private buyer wants them, so as soon as the business leases end they just sit around, waiting to combust.

[@fredEVOIX]

as explained above it's 60k to 30-20k in 2s because as soon as you sign your name on the contract it's worth that much less, a 2nd hand battery pack is considered unsellable by manufacturers and so they deduct it's price immediately in the case of mcmaster taycan the instant he bought his the car lost 47'322€ part number is 9J191500AM 40,373USD and shared with Audi apparently

[@nathansmith7153]

Planet hater

[@brucemitchell5637]

​@@nathansmith7153where does the electricity come from to charge the battery in your EV little fella? 😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@kevinmott6205]

Do you think the Ombusman will get nobbled? Government is making a lot of effort through propaganda 😮🙄😳

[@cloudbasenirvana]

Suicided - he shot himself 3 times in the back of the head.

[@DavidJohnson-yg8qm]

The government is nobbling doctors, so why not.

[@gingerjessy]

@@cloudbasenirvana The top guy will be caught in a honey trap. It will involve some escort girl and a chicken.

[@mikldude9376]

Kevin , clearly the powers that be if you country is anything like ours down under will pull out all the stumps to gloss over these things like EV flaws and continue with their BS net zero Ev campaign . We are already seeing this crap in Australia , our pollies on the BS net zero campaign , it stands out like dogs balls they trying to force EVs upon us even if they are clearly inferior at any cost , and by ANY TACTICS , even by putting ridiculous unrealistic emission laws in to force manufacturers to only supply us with shitty inferior EV products , they have a big advertising campaign going at the moment , the australia government making emission laws to make your cars more efficient . Unfortunately , our cars are already quiet efficient and are fit for purpose , clearly the powers that be think by pushing the bullshit green agenda they will be on a vote winner , and the sad part is , they will spend millions upon millions of tax payer dollars pushing this advertising crap day after day , and a lot of people will believe it . Heres a funny one , recently i watched a review of the world car of the year , of course this is a big electric family SUV , it weighs nearly 2.5 ton MT . i have to say in fairness it actually looks quiet nice over all , but the range was imo astonishingly bad , remembering that this was basically i gigantic station wagon/SUV that will be used for a big family and shopping or holidays( possibly towing ) , just imagine this very large family vehicle loaded in poor weather conditions how the range will decrease , and we havent even got to the bit where the battery will degrade every year and with it the range too . Mate , i hate to see where our idealist stupid bloody politicians are taking us .

[@seniorelzappo9919]

almost certainly ..

[@turtle-Alchemist]

The domino's are falling! Bout time.

[@basilwatson1]

doesnt look like it Khan got back in

[@turtle-Alchemist]

@@basilwatson1 That is a mere blip to make you think things like you just put. The big picture says a whole lot different. The world has become a warped, very dark comedy show. The clowns are good, tho

[@lorddoosworth8175]

@@turtle-Alchemist a show with a very sick sense of humour lol

[@willcram8350]

Why does everyone think that plurals should have an apostrophe?! The apostroophe relates to possession or as a substitution for the missing letters in a contraction. Everyone older than 7 years should know this.

[@turtle-Alchemist]

@willcram8350 It is good to know there are people in the world who have nothing of value to offer but have time to spend correcting grammar.

[@gregpodmore2850]

💯% Of Ev Purchases have been "Mis- sold" /"Mis-lead" 😂😂😂😂😂.

[@Deontjie]

In this case we should blame the customers.

[@gregpodmore2850]

@@Deontjie correct. 👍👏👏

[@nathansmith7153]

Lying turd

[@bradrock7731]

I suspect the number is not much lower for all used cars! Or really anything sold by 'commission' salesmen. Heh...Heh

[@gregpodmore2850]

@bradrock7731 That's why i always buy private. Found out over 40 years ago that "Dealer's Warranties" are not worth the paper they are written on. 😪👍

[@dennisbailey6067]

To spend £41,000 on any car,let alone a mobile battery,is dumb.

[@petew8388]

yep... I think the dearest motor I have ever bought was £ 7000.. also my motors have lasted well and never cost much in repairs etc. although I do my own servicing etc.

[@roysimpson9711]

You know that . All ordinary folk Know that . As for EV owners they all seem to be minted or delusional. Why else is there a second hand car market at all

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

I spent almost £100,000 on a Rolls Royce. Sold it exactly a year later for the exact same amount I paid for it.....best return on any car I have ever owned...

[@brian3174]

Buy a MILK FLOAT instead of combustion engine manufacturing knew late 1800s electricity and steam cars useless now timebomb battery's ready to ignite without notice and electric power companies are going too bend U over on bills

[@stewiemac4017]

If it's a couple of months salary, not even a concern.

[@madmaxsdog8040]

I love evs, I think they're great fun, till they fly off the scalextric track and end up under the couch

[@elta6241]

The EV range scandal is way, way bigger than dieselgate ever was and I think that was largely manufactured.

[@peterfitzpatrick7032]

​@@nisonaticin fact it was later discovered that the other manufacturers were doing the same as VW...

[@elta6241]

@@nisonatic The system has always been gamed and exactly the same things were being done with petrols, but nothing was said.

[@jamestaylor6072]

Bring back easy cars to work on, just a good engine and gearbox, central locking no fobs, seats that are comfitible and move by pulling a rod. there is to much tech on the cars today.

[@andyb6492]

I've got a car like that and not planning on changing it. Just going to keep repairing it like they done in Havana 😂

[@stephenhowe568]

Oh please ,🙏 manufacturers listen to the real people of the world... reliability and easy service/repair will win with the customer every time.

[@topfuelteddy]

People are so sold on all this tech crap nowadays, do you really need it in a car ? . leccy windows , central locking and Aircon if we ever got weather good enough is about all we need .

[@aeroearth]

Cars got worse and worse as soon as microputers were installed. Not for engine and transmission management but for all the novelty items that only the Marketers thought was a good idea. For a smart manufacturer there is a definte market now for a "basic" internal combustion engined car - that lasts 20 odd years.

[@DonJuanDM]

I toke a basic vehicle maintenance course and it really makes me realize how much simpler cars were in the 90s.

[@joelbrown2782]

This is going to carry on driving down the sales of EV's.

[@nathansmith7153]

Why so you idiots can carry on polluting?

[@joelombardi4907]

41k GBP for 150 miles of range? WTF? Does this guy have money to burn?

[@speedbird073]

What business is it of yours what his financial status is?

[@joelombardi4907]

@@speedbird073 I have every right to comment and express an opinion. This is a story on the internet after all. You may disagree, and that's ok, that's why it is an opinion.

[@barrywhite5899]

@@joelombardi4907ignore him, he’s probably bought an E tron for 50k, it’s worth £26k and his boyfriend thinks he having an affair because he always disappears for 90 minutes to drive 8 miles to go and charge it.

[@mattx4253]

Well he clearly doesn’t have much in the way of brains even if he has money

[@gingerjessy]

@@speedbird073 What if his mate owns a powerstation?

[@superchargedxjr]

Just look at the "EV graveyards" building-up in America. EVs scrapped because no longer economic due to the battery replacement cost far exceeding the residual value of the EV vehicle. Crazy!!

[@nathansmith7153]

Where did you get this bollocks from?

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@nathansmith7153 There is most certainly EV graveyards building up... Even Tesla has one for their vehicles that are not selling and thats before we start to cover the Chinese and European brands.. As to EV being scrapped as stated by the OP it is yet again very true as are the reasons.. More and more stories and evidence it coming out regarding this. one of the most shocking recently was the cost to replace a FAN being £11000!!! So the vehicle was SCRAPPED.. These stories are being very common now...

[@salnaturile8653]

As long as people buying these ev realise that they're purchasing a disposable item similar to a mobile phone or a vape, then I don't see an issue. If you can afford to lose that money then go right ahead. My diesel that I bought three years ago for 11k has only lost around 1k a year which I'm ok with. It's saved me way more than that in train fares.

[@nathansmith7153]

@@salnaturile8653 And MY EV has lost only 1k per year. Stop writing bollocks. You know sweet fa about EVs

[@onecookieboy]

@@nathansmith7153 You won't know what you can sell it for until you actually sell it. I live in New Zealand and a colleague of mine bought a M3 long range in August 2019, she has had a change of situation and is moving permanently to Australia so has spent the last 4 months trying to sell the M3. She started at NZ$50k and gradually dropped to $40k, still no bites. She took it to a reputable and nationwide used car dealer (on advice from Tesla NZ, who do not do trade ins or buy backs) and was offered $25k. As I said, the car is not quite 5 years old, has done 85,000 km and has 4 new tyres, full service history, immaculate condition and with extras. She paid just under $80k for it. A similar age and mileage Ford Ranger Wildtrack (the flash one) with extras like nudge bars, alloys, deck liner would have cost about the same when new, they are still worth around $55k.

[@lawreence13]

Mr Ross is a hero and has put a massive crack in the dam that's trying to hold back the anti EV backlash

[@nathansmith7153]

Thank you planet hating moron.

[@NiSiochainGanSaoirse]

Nope. He paid 41k for a banger. Not a hero. An idiot.

[@ToyCars2019]

​@@nathansmith7153*Nathan Smith you should refrain from being rude. Keep within youtube community guidelines. Child, does your mother & father know you are on adults youtube channels!?🧐*

[@nathansmith7153]

@@ToyCars2019 "Adults" spreading lies about EVs and global warming.

[@MillhouseSpeaks]

I have a feeling the 2035 deadline will be pushed to 2050

[@lancethrust9488]

bill gates and the elites will be flipping over there desks in anger

[@gavinminion8515]

Probably, but if it does then cars are finished anyway - there will not be sufficient fossil fuel left in 2050 for them to be practical.

[@lancethrust9488]

@@gavinminion8515 ARAMCO GOT ENOUGH BARRELS IN RESERVE TO LAST 70 YEARS ALONE

[@lancethrust9488]

​@@gavinminion8515 SAUDIA HAS 221 YEARS LEFT OF OIL YOU WERE SAYING PUNK

[@lancethrust9488]

SAUDIA HAS 221 YEARS LEFT OF OIL

[@coconutBarnes]

It's so OBVIOUS that people buying battery powered cars are being mis-sold. Do they mention DEPRECIATION when buying a BPV (battery powered vehicle), or actual real-life range (taking into account the 20-80% rule? Do they mention that FAST CHARGING is bad for the life of the battery? Do they mention the COST of a replacement battery and in the result of minor damage the battery will be written off? Do they mention the fact that your INSURANCE will most likely be higher? Do they mention it could spontaneously BURST INTO FLAMES and possibly burn your home down? Do they mention that you will PAY MORE FOR BRAKES AND TYRES (special EV tyres will cost more and need replacing more often)? Do they mention that EVs might be banned from some parking spaces and ferries, etc? Do they mention public chargers will most likely be more expensive than petrol / diesel? Do they mention that charging overnight does not use solar/wind but uses COAL / GAS / IMPORTED WOOD PELLETS? A lot of MIS-SELLING, worse than the BANKS MIS-SELLING, worst than DIESELGATE. RIP BPVs, ICE cars RULE!

[@stewiemac4017]

Most new EV are leased. Depreciation is irrelevant.

[@jakefriesenjake]

Great list, but ev's don't use "more brakes"... They use way less brakes. Here's a good list for you that I've compiled... 1. Kid battery mineral labor 2. Some people get extreme range anxiety 3. Much higher risk of garage fires...... 4. Paying $15k to $20k more than a comparable vehicle.. 5. every time you fuel up an EV, the fuel tank gets smaller and smaller. Battery degeneration. 6. Poor resale value. The porsche Taycan turbo S model Ev, loses over $100,000 dollars in value, in just 4 years time. That's $100k!, or $25k per year. A Nissan leaf Ev loses over half its value in 2.5 years. Here's a little joke ; how do you double the value of an Ev, when you go to sell it?.... Answer; you leave a $1 coin in the glove box. 7. Much reduced performance from the battery in the cold, on the highway. 8. Higher repair costs, where many, many mechanics refuse to work on them or aren't trained to do so. 9. Awful charging network experiences in the weather, without restrooms. 10. Higher insurance rates. The UK is a great example. 11. Replacing tires more frequently. Michelin states that tires wear out 20% faster on an Ev, and could be as high as 50% faster! Ev tires made for ev's, cost 20 to 30% more, than regular tires for ice cars. As Ev tires wear out, they leave behind more tiny particles of rubber than normal ice cars. This causes more pollution. 12. Death by autopilot, if you use it in cars that have that feature. 13. $15k - $35k battery 14. Low km range per tank of energy. 15. Sometimes, you must wait in-line 1-2 hrs to charge. 16. Then wait more time to charge, while charging. 17. Spontaneous combustion, with no way to put out the fire storm. 18. If they catch fire in a tunnel, many people will die. 19. People without a pro charger system or a parking spot at their house, will run an extension cord to the road, which is dangerous and could lead to people tampering with your charging setup (super slow charging at the road). Currently illegal to run an extension cord to the street in most places. 20. If you're in California, you won't be able to charge your car past 4pm because of a shortage of electricity supply on the cheesy grid. 21. It is not actually "green". The pollution is made at the power station, and during the manufacturing process, not the car. In advance of the Cop26 climate conference in Glasgow in 2021, Volvo released figures claiming that greenhouse gas emissions during production of an electric car are nearly 70% higher than when manufacturing a petrol one. 22. Only 5% of used junk batteries get recycled, the rest go directly into the bin. It's cheaper to mine for new minerals. 23. Chhinna actually does 70% of all the refining of the minerals and production of the batteries. 24. Minerals are becoming more and more scarce, and the cost will only go up, not down. 25. Some countries where they mine for lithium, actually use a very big boat load of fresh water to only produce 1 ton of lithium, so they are afraid of running out of water. It takes over 2 million liters of fresh clean water to produce 1 ton of lithium.

[@jakefriesenjake]

Here's more.... 26. Ev cars will soon not be able to drive in tunnels or be able to park in underground parking garage and probably will eventually void your house insurance if you park it in your personal garage..... 27. It is very hard to charge your battery at super stations when it is bitter cold out. Look to Chicago news for this situation. 28. If a fire truck comes to put out an Ev fire, all the chemicals go directly into the sewer or storm drain system, poisoning everything. They need tons of water to slow down the burn. They can't actually put the fires out, they are only trying to prevent other things near by from catching fire. 29. Ok, there are 2 good things; regenerative braking, which charges the battery while you are slowing down on the highway, which saves your brakes from much wear. It has come to my attention that some people set up their regen system for maximum regen while taking their foot off the accelerator pedal, and not "coasting". For best mpg, you must coast more. You need to "hyper mill" for best mpg. If regen is set too high, passengers will end up puking. This happens because the car is too quiet and accelerating and slowing down to fast. 30. Loss of fuel tax revenue, so now the roads will only get worse, not better, but... The state of new Jersey will have a new annual road tax for Ev buyers, starting July 1st, 2024. The fee starts at $250 in July and will increase by $10 until 2028, when it reaches $290. EV buyers in the state will also have to pay four years of registration fees upfront, making it significantly more expensive to purchase a new electric model. Other states also have their own way of collecting money. 31. in Dublin, huge diesel generators are being used to charge EV buses, due to electrical grid strain. buses in Athlone also cannot be put on charge until midnight, for the same reason. Bus Éireann is saying that they can't charge their buses until 11pm for the same reason, and to avail of a lower tariff. 32. Not everyone on earth even has electricity to charge their cars. What are they supposed to do in 2035? It's easy to get a bucket of fuel to power up a regular car. 33. VCE, or "vapour cloud explosion" is very bad. If any battery, typically anything larger than an E-scooter battery, and especially only "half" charged. If a problem occurs in the cells, it might not catch on fire right away. Instead, a cloud appears, and then may be ignited a short period afterwards. There are 2 different types of vapour clouds that appear; heavier and lighter than air, which form will be dominate, can not be predicted yet. This produces a bomm. 34. For Ev transport trucks, they aren't allowed to carry the same payload as a diesel truck, because of the massive weight of the battery. The owner of the Ev truck therefore loses potential profit, every day. They also lose more profit for the waiting times for charging that Ev truck. The driver will get paid to charge the truck, which in turn forces the owner of the truck to lose more money. 35. Ev cars are more likely to be written off, if they experience a minor collision. After the collision, something could have upset the structural integrity of the battery. 36. Ev cars lie to you. If you are bold enough to go out on a decent road trip and its 210 miles, one way, and your Ev tells you that your battery will last you 223 miles, there had better be no hills, or excessively cold out.... You'll probably get stranded, trying to get to the charger, at the end of the trip. Ev's have left many families stranded already. 37. Ev's and their batteries, will soon need their very own "passport". With all info about them when born, and current info about them (power output, resistance, mineral composition, etc.) 38. Thieves stealing charging cables, will soon make it impossible to "fuel" an Ev car. They take a long time to replace the cables, just to have them cut again for scrap money. 39. Cars were typically being made lighter and lighter using aluminum and or fiberglass and or carbon fiber, to reduce emissions and pollution. Ev's are only getting heavier and heavier, causing more pollution than ever. Remember, an ev's pollution is made at the power station and the dump, not at the actual Ev, except for the tire particles as mentioned above. 40. More on spontaneous combustion of the battery. What if you had 3 children strapped into car seats, in the back seat, which kid do you rescue? More fires start so fast, there is hardly any time for even the driver to escape, let alone 3 kids strapped in. 41. There must be a reason that Boeing 787's aren't battery powered.... Until jets are battery powered, I'll be sticking to fossil fuels for my mode of transportation. 42. Can't bring an Ev up north in the woods, nor any battery powered chain saws, where there are no grids to charge them up. You would need a huge amount of solar panels to get you anywhere. 43. Even Mr. Bean, (Rowan Atkinson) says; "I love electric vehicles - and was an early adopter. But increasingly I feel duped". "When you start to drill into the facts, electric motoring doesn’t seem to be quite the environmental panaceaa it is claimed to be." "It seems a perverse choice of hardware with which to lead the automobile’s fight against the climate crisis." Mr. Bean (Rowan Atkinson) is a smart man. 44. There isn't a used market for ev's. How are teenagers going to buy and insure a $50K Ev... (take your pick: either $50,000 new or a $20000 used EV that needs a $20K battery replacement in a few years)?? A teenager can buy a used $1k ice car and be set up for 5 years, no problem. 45. Even if large transport trucking companies have a service where they could just swap out their pouch batteries for a freshly charged battery, the lifespan of the battery would be greatly reduced to maybe a couple of years. Recharging a huge battery 3 or 4 times per day would really hurt the battery in short order. 46. If an Ev car goes up in flames on a huge cargo ship, the whole cargo ship sinks. Happened many times already. 47. Many many people claim that driving in an Ev makes them, their family and their dogs sick. Motion sickness. 48. With the extended charge times in the public, there is a much greater chance of getting mugged or car jacked. In a tesla, if you see a criminal gang heading right towards you to mug you and steal your tesla, you can't just drive off. You must go outside, disconnect the charger, go back inside your tesla, turn it on, put it into drive mode, and then attempt to flee the muggers, with the little time you still have remaining. In a regular petrol car, all you must do is put it in drive or 1st gear, and flea the situation. The fuel pump hoses have nice quick-disconnect couplings that pull apart when you go to attempt to flee criminals. This saves much time, your car, and potentially your invaluable life! 49. When your Ev is at 10% Battery left, and you head out to find a public fast charger bank of 10 fast chargers, and they are all full, and ok, some aren't working, and there is a line up of another 10 cars in front of the fast charger bank, you might not be garenteed that once you actually have access to a "fast" charger, that it will actually be capable of "fast" charging. You see, there is only so much power alloted to a full bank of "fast" chargers. You will get fast charging for maybe 5 or 6 chargers being used at a bank of 10, but connect 7 or 8 or 9 or 10 ev's to that bank of 10, the bank as a whole will throttle charging power output to all cars, so as to not fry all the wiring of the bank or blow the fuse or breaker. With 10 cars charging at that bank of fast chargers, it will become a bank of "slow" chargers. I would have of thought that this would be designed into a fast charging bank. Some charging stations might not throttle you down. 50. BMW i5 Ev cars and some similar models of BMW protect their battery life. If you DC "fast" charge to many times, a message pops up saying that you must wait 2 days to "fast DC charge" again. This protects your battery. Some say that you can DC fast charge, but at a reduced rate, and some say that the alarm resets once you ac charge 1 time. 51. With the promise of "better, cheaper battery technology", many people are waiting for that technology to arrive... (allegedly). That is pushing down the price of current Ev sales. This also pushes down price of the used Ev market. When Tesla continually cut down the price of new ev's, to artificially stoke demand, it also pushes down the price of all used ev's as well. 52. Right now, the cost of throwing out or recycling your Ev Battery is $zero. One day, I'll imagine that there will be a heavy fee to get rid of your battery (allegedly). *not all of these points affect every Ev, or Ev driver, or every Ev charging station or bank* There's this Ev van company called "Arrival", in the UK. It's been around for 10 years or so. It was worth around $13 billion just 2 years ago.... They didn't sell a single unit, and are now bankrupt. Hertz rental car company backed out of a huge tesla Ev purchase of 100,000 ev's. Soon after, Hertz backed out of a huge purchase of 65,000 Chinese Polestar ev's. They did that because ev's cost to much to own, and too much to operate. The CEO of Hertz, Stephen Scherr, is stepping down from his position late March, 2024. He blamed EVs for the Loss of revenue. The cars were more expensive to maintain than Hertz had initially thought, and the company couldn’t make as much money selling them, when it needed to refresh its offerings.

[@jakefriesenjake]

​@@stewiemac4017even leased ev's can suffer from this... If I lease a new gas car, the dealer knows that it'll be worth, let's say $8000 less, in 3 years time. Let's say that the lease was $600 per month. That same vehicle, but the Ev version, would probably be worth $13000 less after 3 years. This is probably not studied enough, but eventually dealers will realize this and will cause the lease to go up to $650 or so per month, instead of the ice gas cars, $600 per month. Which will then convince me to go with the ice car instead of Ev version, to save let's say $50 per month. Or the dealer could take a loss of $50 per month, and eventually close its doors. I just don't want a car to be used up in 10 years, where an ice car can go basically 20 to 25 years, with regular maintenance, till its used up. Crazy world we be livin' in. 🙄🙄🙄

[@johnjackson2349]

​@@stewiemac4017 depreciation is not irrelevant on a lease, an example is a friend buys a base tesla model 3 with a list price of 40k and the monthly payments are 600 a month. Someone else gets an m4 competition which was a £55k car and is paying £525 a month, more expensive car less cost to own

[@martyn6792]

The ev bubble has burst

[@GrandadTinkerer]

EV's are also hurting ICE drivers. My Insurance on my PETROL car more than DOUBLED this year. One of the reasons quoted, was the increasing cost of repairing cars. (EV's).

[@paulnewman9275]

Me too ,they admitted on the phone the rise was 90% down to EV's being virtually unrepairable!

[@noka1979]

Absolutely pointless rubbish.. What a clown world

[@IIIIIIPETEIIIIII]

I recently rode in an Audi Etron and asked the driver about range. He wasn’t very polite about the actual range. He said he gets as little 105-150 miles (the former being in cold weather). He said that manufacturer’s spec quotes 275 miles!

[@stewiemac4017]

Stupid enough not to have bought a Tesla then. They are the range kings. Not to mention indecently fast.

[@IIIIIIPETEIIIIII]

@@stewiemac4017 except Tesla’s have a reputation for spontaneously going up in smoke and depreciate like a lead balloon! And the guy wasn’t stupid enough to actually buy his Audi, it was a leased company car. Without government incentives for EV company car owners, he admitted that he’d never have contemplated an EV.

[@Theweouthereforrealclub-]

@@stewiemac4017but then you’d have a tesla. Gross

[@malphadour]

@@stewiemac4017 My thought on this is that the Etron is actually a good looking car (I hate EV's and I really don't like Audi's either so this pains me to say) whereas the Tesla looks like a plastic car.

[@topfuelteddy]

​@@malphadourTotally agree, my 10 year old has better design credentials. They look truly awful .

[@TheGreatest1974]

Hang on to your petrol cars for dear life. One day they will be selling for a fortune once governments ban the manufacture of new gas vehicles. This is what’s coming. Oh and also, when you are FORCED into an EV, it WILL be monitoring your driving, it will KNOW the speed limit as it passes the road sign (my new Aygo does this already) and it WILL grass you in to the police or at the very least your insurance company so they can increase your premium. What a prospect eh? Keep your petrol cars. New gas cars are really clean running anyway. Clean petrol cars are the way to go, not EV’s. Man made ‘climate change’ is a scam anyway. The ice caps on MARS are melting too. What’s causing that then?

[@malp78]

Surely it's got to be the Mars rover "Perseverance". There's only one and that's an EV!

[@spaglemon]

Petrol and diesel cars will simply be taxed off the roads if ic ban comes in

[@anonnona8099]

@BottleBri > .. it will KNOW the speed limit as it passes the road sign (my new Aygo does this already) And your new Aygo is an ICE car, so what's the relevance to an anti-EV rant? > Man made ‘climate change’ is a scam anyway. Oh look - you're a complete and utter f~~kwit.

[@graantmnz]

rubbish ....well certainly not in NZ or OZ ...our whole trades and trucking industry runs on diesel power

[@angleseyandy9110]

@@spaglemon politicians are too scared of inflation to do that

[@JimDiesel71]

Well that was his first mistake buying a used 2 yr old EV, what a Muppet.

[@iangillon6981]

🤣

[@MadIIMike]

Yeah, at 2 years it's almost end of life.

[@gottliebdee263]

@@MadIIMikeAssuming this is sarcasm.

[@gottliebdee263]

Stupid statement of the day right here!!!

[@ibrstellar1080]

I doubt even a Muppet is that stupid.

[@Phil6816T]

Next time you see an EV telly commercial and they have the little blurb at the bottom of the screen , look closer and you'll notice that they've uniformly dropped the range claims .....

[@mikehunt8968]

My old Kawasaki GPZ900R, 1984, used to do over 40 mpg, when used 'quickly' and could do over 160 miles on a tank, and it took a couple of minutes to fill it up.... It now qualifies for classic status and was designed to do 0 to 60 in less than 3 seconds and to do 160mph... Why have we gone so far backwards with cars?

[@Roger.Coleman1949]

Everything's going the same way Mike , in 2005 , I won a restored ' 89 GPZ900R - one of the finest performance motorcycles of all time !.

[@bruiser6479]

One of my life regrets was buying a GPZ1100zx in 1984 instead of the GPZ900r. The 900 was clearly the better bike.

[@mikehunt8968]

@@Roger.Coleman1949 In 1990 I fitted a GPZ1000RX motor to it and that really made it what it should have been, it's still in my shed..😉

[@basilwatson1]

I have a 350 Enfield To say it starts first kick uses not a lot dino fuel Sometimes has been known to replace the oil it uses by returning oil back to the earth ( by itself ) does similar milage on a tank of gas ,,, and in the event of a nuclear war wont be effected by EMF has a blue light to show me high beam is on

[@Sophie333C]

Hopefully more people will do lawsuits against car dealers/manufacturers, this should put an end to EVs that will never be a practical solution for green motoring!

[@JohnnyMotel99]

'that will never be a practical solution for green motoring!' and the solution is?

[@Sophie333C]

@@JohnnyMotel99 hydrogen!

[@JohnnyMotel99]

@@Sophie333C I saw this comment elsewhere and it sums up H2 "Hydrogen may be abundant, but it’s spoken for. Oxygen already called dibs on it and won’t give it up without a fight. This means the whole system efficiency of a hydrogen fuel cell is poor. The energy needed to extract hydrogen is better off being put straight into a battery. Batteries, though resource intensive, will get cleaner too as more are recycled. They are also needed to help buffer the varying supply from renewables. The base demand will go up, true. But we’ll likely meet this with nuclear power, most likely much smaller and more modular reactors than we’ve seen before. Whichever way you look at it, BEV has already won the argument for private cars. Trucks, ships and planes are a different story."

[@OnkyoGrady]

​@@JohnnyMotel99id say the issue is the battery chemistry, far more so than the electric motors. The problem boils down to ev proponents shooting their shot too soon. The current batteries would be an acceptable compromise in low volume exotics and luxury cars, but are a pretty tragic mismatch when it comes to average consumer duty. Climate and commute range depending of course.

[@gavinminion8515]

@@JohnnyMotel99 Yep, it's simple physics - we can charge batteries and power cars at about 80-90% efficiency. Or we can make hydrogen and power cars at about 30-40% efficiency. Put another way. if you are powering your grid from renewables or nuclear (as you will have to do when the fossil fuels run out) you will need 2.5 times as many turbines / nukes as you would for an EV based network. To 'address' most of the problems with current EV's we must understand that current ICE vehicles are not sustainable and trying to replicate them with batteries isn't either. Cars have to get smaller and lighter for batteries to be viable.

[@huffmanaviation7341]

Have you seen the ev being refused entry to a NHS carpark......

[@MadIIMike]

Wait... didn't the NHS waste money on EVs as well?

[@EdVanMeyer]

yes a scottish youtuber did a vid on this yesterday.

[@huffmanaviation7341]

@@MadIIMike that is a fkn good point! Battery ambulance have been talked about. I hope they don't get used!

[@neiljay]

EV Ambulances exist and are being used ( London, not sure if elsewhere ). There are 10 on the London fleet as I type. Not aware of their range yet though.....

[@jstefa2]

@@neiljay Mercedes van that is commonly converted to ambulance has a 100 mile range in EV configuration. compared to 600 with diesel.

[@bigjoeangel]

I'm looking at a used Alfa Giulia Veloce on Autotrader. You can get something like a 2017 with 50-60K miles. These are gorgeous, comfortable, modern, fast, economical and supremely well designed motor cars with exquisite 2L 4 Cylinder engines that can produce 276BHP. You can pick one of these up for under £17K. Why in the actual fuck would anyone in their right mind buy a used EV for twice that. The brainwashing is strong out there.

[@watchthesky.]

Only juice and milk come in 2 litres😂🇦🇺

[@groupb5420]

💯 mate , I drive a daily 2 litre diesel which does on a good day 55 mpg , why would anyone want a second hand EV , there sure is a few planks out there.

[@Beaulocks_]

​@@watchthesky...nice swastika

[@raptorheli2]

As a former jeep owner.... don't.... wait till you need spares. It is Ferrari money! My DRL in headlight failed, couldn't find a used one and being handed had to be a RHD one, £2500 for the part and £450 fitting/programming. Wing mirror indicator led failed and £1400 for a new wing mirror, can't buy the led on own (aliexpress had them now but not then), few months later the other wing mirror indicator packed in and another £1400. Car was 4 years old with 25k miles on it. Will never buy from fiat group again.

[@watchthesky.]

Still under warranty?

[@robertstanger258]

Remember only dishonest companies will go bankrupt

[@deanchur]

150mi is what you'd expect from a thirsty V12 supercar, not an EV.

[@willemhaifetz-chen1588]

Actually a v12 can do 500km no issue

[@SoulTouchMusic93]

@@willemhaifetz-chen1588 yeah, they come with larger fuel tanks usually. 90 to 120 liters sometimes, especially on mile crushing gt cars.

[@theun-personing5674]

Ive got a 1.5L that will barely pass 200 miles on a 45L full tank 😅 225 miles if I'm lucky. Absolutely shite on fuel.

[@wearetheremnants1615]

Iv got a 1.9 turbo diesel 55 litre tank550 - 600 miles 2009 vw​@@theun-personing5674

[@Billy_Rizzle]

​@@theun-personing5674 What do you drive?

[@stableianF1oracle]

He must of been a bit mental to think of spending 41 grand on an EV to start with 😂😂😂

[@alanwhite6293]

More money than sense - an old saying, with a big meaning!

[@John_Wood_]

It's something for snobs.

[@Cuzzazbuzz]

Our Mini PHEV is going in for a battery check as the range after 5.5 years is less than 50% of that from new. Real world range. Imagine your petrol tank shrunk over 50%.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

My stomach has expanded by about 50% in the last decade

[@Elsie-uy2kl]

Excellent. More people should be returning their cars if the range is not as advertised and manufacturers should take note. 😔

[@shirley1827]

Of course it will next ppi claims roll up roll up.

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Shirley you can't be serious?

[@The-Mattman]

Another thing with electric cars, at what point do the dealers say, "Sorry, your car is to old for a software update", a bit like an old iphone.

[@C_J__]

I drive a 2017 Peugeot Sport 308 GTi 270. Peugeot have dropped updates for the satnav about a year ago. Pretty annoying since everything operates from the touchscreen. Built in obsolescence basically.

[@pauljohnson9326]

Good point , I drive a 17 plate petrol focus and the sat nav only got free update from new for 5 years . I only had the car year n half so did the update myself . The way roads change every day is shocking , councils blocking off back roads all over so my car takes me to dead ends and wants me to get fines ect. Evs will need a lot more than a nav update so will be extra cost.

[@groupb5420]

All my cars have sat-nav which I never use because it’s rubbish , you can’t beat the good ole Google maps on the phone imo as every sat-nav I’ve operated in a car is a pain in the rear and doesn’t work.

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@groupb5420 Proper map beats google everytime... And whats more no battery, 4/5g/wifi requred🤣🤣

[@angleseyandy9110]

When they go bust.

[@johndawson8806]

whats the difference between a hedgehog and an ev? a hedgehog has the pricks on the outside !

[@415volts]

I don't disagree for anyone who has bought privately, but I bet most you see on the road are company car drivers who were forced into it due to mental govt. BIK tax on any diesel/petrol. I now save over £400 a month being stolen from my paypacket by driving an EV & I'm really not a prick.

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@415volts £400 a month yeah ok whatever... More EV bollox.... I travel 40 miles each way too work daily in an old Landrover defender and still don't pay that much a month.

[@415volts]

@@hudsonbear5038 Do you even understand what BIK tax is? It's a tax that the UK Government takes out of your pay packet when you are given a fully funded company car. It is based on list price and emissions. They took £480 a month for my last Merc Diesel.

[@hudsonbear5038]

@@415volts And agian I will still call you out as full of it ..

[@415volts]

@@hudsonbear5038 Ha what? It is clearly available info on government company car taxes!....Pay at 40% tax bracket and a new GLC220D will cost you £480 a month in BIK.

[@SeraiNephthys]

Remember those cheap watches that say 100m water resistant on the dial? EV's seem a bit like that don't they?

[@dingopisscreek]

water proof to a depth of 'whatever' - how many people were going to test that claim - Jacques Cousteau maybe but no one else.

[@SeraiNephthys]

@@dingopisscreek I actually did test it, because I was curious and because I was a scuba diver, and I can tell you they didn't even manage 1m let alone 100m. It's all semantics at the end of the day, manufacturers can use some industry definition of water resistant and 100m, which bear no relation to what we the consumer believe when we see those words.

[@malp78]

Is this included in the new Tesla Submariner EV range? Is the warranty invalid if you have to smash a window?

[@richardjames3121]

@@SeraiNephthys I think it meant a shower of rain......100m below cloud level. As a 9 year old I think I was impressed enough to have one, duty free from Jersey in those days.

[@wobblyboost]

Don't give em ideas Serai, next EV ad I see will claim "600 miles range resistant."

[@mrwhite292]

Excellent news

[@lancethrust9488]

40 K IN DIESEL IS ENGINE LIFE JUST STARTING , 40 K IN EV MEANS NEW BATTERY

[@deanchur]

Approaching 400kkm in my Fiesta diesel, my brother is a 450kkm in his.

[@EdVanMeyer]

Our Rover 75 Diesel 247 k miles and smoke free.

[@wearetheremnants1615]

VW caddy 265k here

[@eddiereed5025]

@@deanchur ball ocks

[@windinthewillows6248]

I’ve been saying this to my work colleagues for years, I hope people sue the arses of the green brigade.

[@TNT-projects]

Most of the TV EV adverts make no claims, Have no words , just music …

[@tonyb3629]

Yeah, but they often show a single driver in the middle of nowhere - desert, jungle etc. Hysterically funny.

[@groupb5420]

They also show the car driving through this utopia city with no cars where no one lives then they pull up outside a coffee shop run in grab a coffee and drive off … try that in London you’ll have about 4 or 5 tickets before you get back , yet people with small brains and big wallets are still purchasing these useless motors.

[@aeroearth]

That's called selling the sizzle not the sausage. Well know selling technique.

[@wobblyboost]

@@tonyb3629 Lol, they put a lone EV charger on the national HWY in the middle of the Nullabour Plains, (southern Australian desert), where its almost 700 miles between towns, 1700 miles between capital cities. Of course it needs a dedicated diesel generator right next to it that must be constantly idling to keep pumping power into the thirsty capacitors and 5G network link, it's tank which is about the size of a cars tank; needs regular refills by a dedicated diesel truck. It's peak output would power 10 small houses. Estimated to be 25% less than the energy efficiency of having a diesel engine small car, (if immaculately maintained; which it wont be, the promotional picture shows rust and signs of oil leaks), and 40% less than a charger connected to grid mains. Massively inflated price per kilowatt reflects the high cost of it's existence.

[@bobstirling6885]

I went from SW Wales to Berwick, via Scarborough the other week....490 miles and still 145 range on arrival. How would that work with a stupid EV? Minimum 3 charge stops!!

[@user-zc1os5eu6q]

What did it cost?

[@bobstirling6885]

@@user-zc1os5eu6q around £70......probably less than one charge....

[@roblonsdale8927]

​@@user-zc1os5eu6qless than half per mile of an ev charged at public chargers with far less depreceation and at least 3 hours quicker

[@CropCircleCritic]

Thank you for your content, Geoff. We are getting rid of our Tesla today. Doing it at a loss, but happy to be out from under the electric nightmare.

[@onlyonewhyphy]

If you're spending 41k on a car, then you're already getting rimmed, more than likely... what's another plunge?

[@anonnona8099]

Ooh - can all the millions and millions of people who found that the fuel consumption of their ICE cars was nothing like what the maker claimed get compo too?

[@alastairhatt360]

Yeah exactly but no one gets all upset about that. But wait an EV range is not what they said…. Let’s scream from the roof tops. Such an anti EV sentiment so sad for those people.

[@doglvr1]

I have a Subaru. I get much better than the advertised mileage. I live in Pennsylvania US where we have 4 seasons and plenty of hills.

[@anonnona8099]

@@alastairhatt360 They do their own cause no favours. There *are* problems with EVs, such as range vs charging infrastructure, repair costs, battery lifespan and hence residuals, which all impact how fast/realistically we can reasonably expect people to buy them. None of these problems will go away if ignored. But Geoff and his fellow travellers just switch into full-on loony conspiracy fantasy mode the second the subject of EVs come up. Out come all the idiots who are denying climate change. Out come all the fools who say that EVs are the way the government is going to control us and corral us, and track us and imprison us. Out come all the clowns who bang on about EVs bursting into flames all the time when there is not a shred of evidence to back that up. The end result is that they make it look like the only group critical of EVs is the swivel-eyed nutcase one.

[@roblonsdale8927]

​@@alastairhatt360the range claims for ev,s are far more exagerrated than any ice car ev,s are overpriced , and unsuitable for anyone needing to drive more than 100 miles in a day

[@everythingtechnew7400]

Returns to dealership my range has dropped to 60 miles. We’ve fixed your car Sir you had accidentally pressed the air-con to on.

[@TNT-projects]

We need a new saying “What would Quentin Wilson say”

[@SierraNovemberKilo]

No..."Let's have your thoughts Quentin" -nutjob anywhere?

[@Jack-lo1uc]

He said that people would prefer petrol are "far right!" Having spent most of his career promoting petrol cars! 😂😂

[@settertwo]

Tosser is good description of him now !​@@Jack-lo1uc

[@ghunt9146]

Tony from EVcarnage has done a vid on the etron. He wasn't impressed either!

[@TheRealWindlePoons]

I used to run everyday drive vehicles with a 150 mile range. They were *all* petrol-powered motorcycles which take a couple of minutes to refuel. On the subject of refuelling: are there any EV public charge points which do not require an account with the charge point company and/or an app to use? A contactless debit card will pay for your petrol, your shopping, your beer and even your bus ride home from the pub. Are there any public charge points offering this functionality? As a diesel driver with a deep distrust of apps etc., this smacks of a data harvesting scam.

[@stephenpierce2885]

The manufacturers also quoted unrealistic MPG figures for petrol and diesel cars. My car is supposed to be able to do 60mpg. Never seen it yet in 4 years of ownership.

[@theloneranger2101]

The massive irony is that we need the planet to warm up so our EV vehicles can give us greater mileage and just be more economical and more efficient. Strange that, dont you think, 🤔

[@bentullett6068]

Quinton and Kryton will be trying to think of a reply to this news. Probably call the owner a nutcase and say he wasn't operating it properly. It can't be the car its got to be the owner, according to Fully Charred logic.

[@giraffeonkhat9216]

150 miles would be fine for a 2nd car, or a pensioner, for commuting, getting round the town, doing shopping, taking the kids to various activities. Then charge it overnight. Plenty people rarely do long trips, but need local mobility. Where it falls down is being £41K, then what depreciation and insurance comes in at.

[@jamesm90]

'Rarely do long journeys' is no good. If You need a second car for the times you do a long journey the first car is redundant.

[@hudsonbear5038]

lol the over night charging bs as if every car owner can actually charge at home.... one of the places I lived NO ONE had off street parking o miles around and thats more of the norm in most of the UK. I am sick of hearing the same rubbish when ev owners start talking about charging, range and their fav, ice car fires.. All they do is ignore facts, Data and reality. Whilst pushing their BS.

[@giraffeonkhat9216]

@@jamesm90 Nonsense. If you have two or three adults in a house, at least one of them is only going on short journeys on a particular day. Hardly ever will both of a couple need to go separately on different long journeys.

[@johnnydiamondsmusic1673]

Yeah £41k for a local runaround

[@kalpat5753]

Just remember Dieselgate and how much that cost car manufacturers. This is EVgate and yet another reason why you should never, never buy an EV either new or secondhand.

[@alanwhite6293]

No Problem - The insane amounts of money that idiots are paying for milk floats will more than cover the Claims process when it starts

[@wobblyboost]

Very good point when you realise they are outright lying about the real total energy footprint of: a) EV production (Volvo says 70% more than ICE per unit), b) amount of indirect fossil fuel electrical energy consumption by EV's, c) amount of energy use in building and maintaining charger networks and additional service equipment and tools for repairs, d) amount of additional resources and materials used to deal with EV fires, e) amount of additional energy to construct and maintain 'green' energy production networks (short lives and massively wasteful production of un-recyclable solar panels and wind turbines), f) the far shorter lifespan of EVs. Quite a lot more direct fibbing than using rubbery figures to calculate emissions of diesel.

[@terencesaunders1357]

Glad I drive a diesel car as this morning I had to drive my brother to the airport at 04.00 today. That was 80 miles there and 80 miles home. I wouldn’t want to be stopping to charge at this time of day.

[@415volts]

To be honest, and I'm certainly no EV champion - I only have one due to the govt benefit in kind tax bribery for company car drivers - that wouldn't be an issue on mine as I have a home charger & I get about 220 range (less than advertised still ) - I take my daughter to uni / back and that's about same distance - computer battery read out is pretty accurate too.

[@jandoerlidoe3412]

Class suits are the way to go.....bursting the EV bubble...

[@stevebosun7410]

Hi Geoff, bring on the law suits! Get this rubbish off the roads.

[@robg521]

They have been lying about MPG rates for decades, so why would they be honest about EV ranges, The difference this time is that the mileage rates for EV’s is so awful that any under performance stands out like a sore thumb and actually raises the issue of ‘are they fit for purpose’ …. A diesel car with a range of 700 miles will be more expensive to run if the MPG rate is lower than expected, whereas an EV with an underperforming battery will not only be less efficient than expected, but more importantly the range won’t get you to your destination.

[@michaeltutty1540]

The big take away is that there is serious degradation of the battery capacity after only 2 years and fewer than 30,000 miles. The range on a tank of petrol in my old 1990 Volvo 240 was actually greater than new when the car had over 400,000 miles on it. Unfortunately it was the rot of 34 winters that took old Arthur off the road.

[@wobblyboost]

rip Arthur 😢

[@davidstuart4915]

should we file a couple of hundred Class Actions against the government for misrepresentation etc?

[@mattus1gig]

Probably the reason every manufacturer is backing away from EV.

[@Richie-vu4we]

Can we sue the Governments to as they forcing people into these cars too? Can Sadiq Khan and TFL be sued for? 1/ Causing pollution with LTNs, badly placed bike lanes, Bus stop lay-bus being taken out, Bus stop lanes designed to cause more traffic problems by junctions. 20mph Zones. Narrowing roads for all that use them. 2/ Slowing down emergency response times by design

[@speedbird073]

No

[@ToyCars2019]

​@@speedbird073*You sure? Provide proof. What's your job & where do you work?*

[@twig3288]

How can someone smart enough to afford £40k for a car be dumb enough to buy a battery car? 🤔

[@SPDATA1]

I am glad we still have our S80 V8 AWD 😊❤

[@andyhowlett2231]

That's appalling - 150 miles would not even get us to our holiday cottage! Having to stop on the way, having to constantly fret over finding a working charger, getting there with almost zero charge left and waking up the next morning and the first thing in my head is having to find a charger before the car grinds to a halt. Oh great, what a lovely holiday! No thanks.

[@davidcampbell7209]

Imagine buying a car with a 50 litre tank and being told to only put 40 litres in the tank and your first 10 litres can not be used.

[@angleseyandy9110]

And being told you should fill up at home overnight when it's a lower price

[@jimmydesouza4375]

You legitimately should not use the first ~10% or so of an ICE vehicle's tank either as that is where the sediment and water builds up. It won't be a massive issue but it will increase engine wear and clog up your filters.

[@foxy1960]

Why don't the dealers simply do a full charge, let one of the employees use it until it is due another charge and simply put the mileage that was achieved next to the price on the car, Simples

[@malp78]

No problem at all, so long as they include details of the average speed, tyre pressure, relative wind speed, outside temperature, road topography (level, hills etc) and urban or motorway driving.

[@foxy1960]

@@malp78 yup that should cover it' well done

[@alanwhite6293]

Can't do that! they'd never sell another car!!!!

[@digitalz1988]

Why don't dealers test ICE cars and tell us the actual MPG rather than the BS sales numbers?

[@roblonsdale8927]

That should render them all unsaleable

[@matthewgodwin3050]

This is what becomes of doing your 'research' in the comments section of the Fully Charged Show.

[@melthebelgian.5837]

The add during this video for a battery company, with a battery you can trust as a tag line, so very fitting.

[@fredEVOIX]

time for me to remind you again that I learned straight from the source that manufacturers consider the battery pack a "consumable" (their word) and that the price of the battery pack is immediately deducted from the resale value as soon as it leaves the dealership explaining the massive depreciation, battery packs go anywyhere between 10-40'000GBP that money is burned as soon as you sign to buy, I also learned from same source that they still lose money on every EV sale, everyone is losing money but they are blackmailed by governments "sell EVs OR ELSE" something will break sooner or later

[@davefrench3608]

Selling EVs is fine but even the government can’t force people to buy one. The more information people see, the less likely they are to expend huge sums of money on a worthless white elephant

[@kevinmoffatt]

If a manufacturer suffers losses to the point where it's at risk of failing due to Govt. legislation they will probably, and justifiably, insist on Govt. rescue (read taxpayer funded bailout), particularly if they can claim domestic job losses will result. As usual, the poor will end up subsidising the rich.

[@EvilGav]

150 mile range would be fine in a nice, small commuter car, but in a 5 seat SUV - what's the point? The biggest problem with all the start-up/new EV makers releasing cars and then failing, is that the control software is all proprietary - once the car maker is gone, where do you get your software updates from? where do you get maintenance of the computer systems done? At least with old, mechanical things, you can manufacture the parts to keep it on the road, these failed EV maker cars are going to be land-fill before they hit 10 years old at this rate.

[@russthebiker]

A five seater SUV that most of the time will have one person using it ???? 2 tonne of pig iron It's like going hiking with your rucksack full of rocks My small estate car,used for running my kit about for work and family and dog at weekends,has just been written off,an identical one will replace it 1.4 diesel turbo 20 quid road tax av 50mpg And as a qualified electrician I would never entertain an electric vehicle, and having seen some of the shoddy charging installations I am surprised we do not see more house fires

[@geoffnorton9279]

I think you just summed it up perfectly. Many of them will probably go out of business. As we know, that's a part of the plan.

[@ilollipop100]

When the warning light on my 92 Corolla comes on I still have a 100km left. As I know this I sometimes drive with the tank near empty which gives my passengers serious range anxiety... On a full tank I'm getting 750km. 1992!!!!

[@brendanpells912]

I think the moral of the story is to not buy a used EV unless you have a 14-day or 30-day cooling off period during which you can return it for a full-refund, no-quibbles.

[@trevorwilson2966]

Dont buy a new ev either?

[@stevenmihalic7887]

The quoted range on all BEV'S is downright dishonest, the useable range is 30% to 40% less if you follow best practice to preserve the battery.

[@mikeandhev]

Loved it when Geoff said a two year old EV is not fit for purpose, in my view a two hour old EV is not fit for purpose.

[@davidmwood560]

I've made 7 successful claims on the basis of an EV being "Not fit for purpose". Obviously, these concerned range issues; (real against advertised/claimed); but time issues were also a major part. In these cases, there doesn't have to be anything at all wrong with the vehicle. I've said this to Lee (MacMaster) many times but, for whatever reason, he takes no notice - just keeps on complaining. I no longer take these cases on because I've passed the work to an excellent law firm who simply pay me a commission.

[@harris4018]

all vehicles should be fitted with tank tracks, so a wheel can not slip into a deep pot hole

[@chrisc9376]

Good on him, these dealers are taking the piss with this electric shite.

[@travelwithtony5767]

The words you are looking for is “class action” which is when a large group of owners combine to sue manufacturers for misleading and false advertising. Glad I could enlighten you.

[@leeboss373]

Ironically, it may actually be a good investment buying an EV for the compo then😅

[@awild10]

Playing devils advocate, Arnold Clark can only use the official marketing material provided by the manufacturer when selling these cars in the same way they have to use official MPG figures when selling an ICE car. The salesman can offer his experience but that will be anecdotal and so they can’t use it in any written marketing material for the car. Likewise manufacturers have to provide data using the set testing method so In effect the range they quote would have been correct at the time they had the vehicle tested and in the conditions it was tested in. Now we know from diesel-gate that manufacturers will game the system wherever possible in order to make their car more sellable so perhaps that needs to be looked at or perhaps a better more accurate testing method is needed. As regards the buying process, for 99% of people a range of 150miles will probably last them 2-3 days and will only be an issue for perhaps 4 or 5 journeys a year when they have to visit relatives or go on holiday. Does that make it not for purpose? No. But as a company car driver my employer doesn’t buy me an EV yet because the range isn’t sufficient so the car in question on this video would not be fit for my purpose. This suggests the buying process needs to be better and the customer should have been directed away from buying an EV based on their needs. Or perhaps the customer should have been encouraged to go away and read some independent reviews of the car before sinking 40 grand into it. I certainly wouldn’t spend a tenth of that on a car without at least consulting a buyers guide in somewhere like What Car?

[@welchtemplarmotorcycles2933]

I used to run a Land Rover 110 safari of 1984 vintage, a 3.5 V8 5 speed manual. It had a 90 litre tank (19.78 gallon) it did 12.5 miles to the gallon on a run. Even that behemoth with the aerodynamics of a block of flats had a range of 247 miles, and could carry 12 people, luggage and towing a trailer whilst doing it. I ‘d have that back in a heartbeat before an EV.

[@easyspanieltraining]

It's been on the cards for a while. Won't be long before we start seeing the former ambulance chasers advertising their claims services against electric car manufacturers.

[@DanRobards]

The EV nuts will compare this to the innacuracy of MPG numbers. At least they are within the ballpark and are actually somewhat achievable on a motorway run! Would be a good challenge to try and beat an EV claimed range. FAT CHANCE.

[@madmaxsdog8040]

Agreed, the mpg numbers were never achievable but were prolly only about 10% out, these things are massively wrong, by anywhere from 40% upwards over rated

[@digitalz1988]

Not an EV nut but already comparing check out Honest John real mpg, they some are out by 40%. Stuff EVs, even proper cars have fake numbers. Even the hybrid stuff that we are told is better is 30% out, thats not ball park

[@digitalz1988]

@@madmaxsdog8040 2009 i20 1.1 61%, Ecoboost Fiesta 67% 2018 focus 73% etc these are miles out, Im still driving a 2.0 laguna from 2001 and thats only 85% at its best with the wind behind it trailing a HGV. We have just put up with this for too long and the manufactures are taking the ....

[@D.von.N]

The question is why are these young cars for sale? Maybe the first owner wasn't toom happy with them either?

[@bentullett6068]

They get put into auctions through the lease hire companies when the businesses decide that they are finished with the car. The likes of Arnold Clarke, Cazoo, Motorpoint and other large used car retailers then buy them to sell on.

[@davidreynolds3082]

It's about time too. It's half the reason they bought that particular car, only to find it only does 2/3 the claimed distance.

[@marcosteffano]

I fill up my Toyota hilux pick up in Thailand for £60 and get 1,000kms before visiting the petrol station which is about once a month.

[@gdmonks1959]

👍🏻 i do the same with my Pajero sport, seems extremely regressive to be getting so much less for so much more (cost)

[@kiae-nirodiariesencore4270]

So we should see ICE car drivers suing OEMs for the wildly optimistic mpg figures they say their cars can achieve? That would be fair. My experience after 5 years and over 60,000 miles is that my EV gets pretty close or exceeds the claimed fully charged range. Just like with a fossil car so much depends on the driver, the weather and road conditions.

[@miketherefurbisher8000]

Hi Geoff Its bound to take off in that respect!! This government has mislead the manufacturers of EVs. The next few mounts is going to be very interesting. "Thanks"

[@bocian6666]

I’m strongly believe that our beloved government, with the help of the electro-business (loads of cash), will create a law "For our own good", which will prevent consumers from suing the manufacturer for anything. Another attempt by the US government was to push through a law requiring a kill switch to be installed in every car by 2026. As of today, the law hasn't passed, but "they" will come up with something for our own good, of course.

[@BAGGIES6677]

Ridiculous, I can get a ferry to a closer shopping area but as the cost of the ferry is roughly comparable to the cost of diesel I generally make a day of it and take the scenic route, if i do this it is around 61 miles each way to the closest place with major supermarkets (dumbarton) or around 75 miles to the next nearest one (oban) so a 150 mile range just wouldn't cut it where I live, in the early hours of Friday morning I have to leave here and drive to Northamptonshire for a funeral, because I drive an ICE vehicle I'm allowing around 11/12 hours for the journey which gives me time for coffee stops etc, can you imagine if I had to do the journey in an EV, I'd have to leave here today lol

[@steverobsondiecast]

In Ontario, canada, a number of ev battery plants are being built. At a cost of 15 billion dollars!! Can I say going bust, FAST!!

[@mellarner8253]

Bang or bust?

[@steverobsondiecast]

@mellarner8253 both ways! They could just boom as they are being made and take out the plant, therefore getting both of the above answers taken care of in one shot. By the way this taxpayers money (at this point, I call it funny money due the way it has overprinted). Oh well just "little" more debt to worry about!!?? At this point does it matter?

[@linopontes]

Whatever the range is in an EV, deduct 50% in cold conditions. I am sure they do ev max range stats at 20mph and that's why we are getting 20mph roads everywhere. Good luck with range in an EV doing 60-70mph.

[@user-pu6ty5kk8t]

I agree that lawsuits for excessive depreciation and misrepresented battery range will be rampant. Bonanza for the lawyers or solicitors, or whatever you call them.

[@Millennial_Manc]

I suspect he has only been able to go to the Financial Ombudsman because it was on finance. His complaint was probably about the finance being mis-sold because the car was incorrectly described. I don’t know how many cars are bought on finance but it might still be a good number. The financial ombudsman isn’t the same as court though and I don’t think we call group litigation a “class action lawsuit” in the UK. Still, bad news for anyone selling EVs with misleading ranges.

[@wobblyboost]

I'd be carefully reading your EV sales contract, the "You waive you're rights for tort cases or class-action lawsuits" clause will be buried in there somewhere.

[@Millennial_Manc]

@@wobblyboost That wouldn’t be a valid clause because of the Unfair Contracts Act

[@wobblyboost]

@@Millennial_Manc It's on a LOT of sales contracts and EULA's all the same.

[@Millennial_Manc]

@@wobblyboost It’s like businesses putting a sign up or making you sign something that says they’re not liable for any injury or damage to your property before using their service. It’s meaningless.

[@mithrandirthegrey7644]

150 miles is plenty if you live in a city though. I rarely drive more than 50 miles per day. I'm not hostile to the idea of electrical vehicles but they are no substitute for internal combustion. Take an average car with a full tank - now line up batteries next to it that would give you the equivalent amount of energy. It's a staggering amount of batteries. Petroleum is a gift from god. There's nothing like it. Easy to transport, exists in plentiful quantity and one single barrel of it contains the equivalent amount of energy as about 80 years of a man working every single day.

[@organickevinlondon]

a gallon of petrol, contains the equivalent electrical energy of 33 kWh, and my Mini Cooper Electric has got 32 kWh batteries, I get between 120 and 170 miles from that, you obviously didnt do Physics at school.

[@desobrien3827]

Hi, I saw your video 2 days ago where you went you magazines and car prices...it dawned on me, because EV's are so expensive, manufacturers are jacking up the price of ICE vehicles, and getting away with it to pay for EV losses. Keep up the good work Cheers from Down Under.

[@grahamdyke6612]

Kia EV6 GT Line S 77kWh 226bhp 2022 new price £52,000, second hand value now after 2 years £30,000. Thats a 42% devaluation over 24 months, insane. These people must have more money than brains that's for sure. Thats a depreciation of 1.75% per month, or almost £1000 a month. What does that do for the running cost per mile then?

[@catastrophic009]

ElectricRangegate ......let's get ready to rumble !!