The New Refurbished Central Line Trains

[@hendrikharryg]

I couldn't help but notice the phone being blurred at 2:40, and I have never realized the attention good video editors must pay to such details. Thanks for making me aware, Geoff.

[@mintthetoad2]

i don't see it

[@rocketboysmc]

@@mintthetoad2 Geoff's hand at 2:44

[@fToo]

maybe the content wasn't suitable for a family audience ?!

[@rocketboysmc]

@@fToo it was probably the contact page or something similar with phone numbers or other details on?

[@mintthetoad2]

@@rocketboysmc alright thanks

[@customtransport2777]

It’s a good thing that the Central Line is receiving a proper upgrade and apart from the terrible new announcements, I’m just glad that these 30 year old trains finally have CCTV and that this consultation will possibly allow the Bakerloo line to receive NTfL before the Central does

[@ahuman9143]

i want these 92 trains gone or at least have better fans in them

[@1nbp]

The announcements are *apparently* temporary

[@foggyrf9]

CCTV? Genuinely? About blimmin time!

[@kujoova]

whats NTFL

[@still_guns]

@@kujoova New Tube For London

[@martinmitchell7280]

Great video, I was wondering why there have been endless minor and severe delays for the last two weeks - due to a shortage of trains. I only found out when I asked a station staff member that this was because lots of trains are being taken out of service to refurbish them. Just a shame this has not been explained to passengers who have no idea why these endless daily delays/problems are happening. If people knew why - they might not be so annoyed - but its still going to mean a sub par service for months!!

[@DavidKnowles0]

Surely this can't have been planned given that doing it over Christmas is just plain stupid. It would be nice if Geoff questioned the leader of the project about this whilst he had her on camera.

[@dozenazer1811]

This is not how you refurbish trains. I have not heard of such methods of refurbishing rolling stock in other cities in such quantities that it leads to sheer shortage of those rolling stock.

[@EoRdE6]

​@@dozenazer1811happens all the time, we had this problem in Boston for years

[@DenkyManner]

Looks better, the Central Line was starting to feel shabby and old compared to the newer stock. That said, the overwhelming worst problem is how hot it gets down there. I know it's not easy to solve and they have plans, but it has entered the emergency zone with London getting so horribly hot _every_ year now

[@andrewstorm8240]

It feels old

[@DavidJones-kn9zb]

Hi Aussie fan here. Just want to wish u are a great Christmas and thank u for all the programs u made in 2023. Your programs are essential viewing in our household! Regards David Jones

[@ashleighevie]

I've never been to London, or even the UK, but I love the 1992 stock so much. That accessible spot looked really good!!

[@jgodfrey546]

Most informative! 09:24 sad the doors have already been vandalised...

[@hrishiv]

That probably wasn't refurbished at all

[@simonro9168]

It looks like they didn’t bother to wash off old graffiti

[@reececollison5101]

Yeah it’s looks very old so they probably couldn’t clean it off

[@cbvanloon]

It looks like they upgraded the graffiti font 👨‍🎨 Nice touch!

[@CoxallK]

Couldn't even be arsed to clean the graffiti but yet lets all get excited over a new moquette and a digital visual update and a new motor.

[@XiXora]

The dot matrix will be nice especially for when unsure where the train goes when on a branch but the moquette is quite… grey. Hopefully it'll be a little quieter in the tunnels!

[@geoffreymoore1510]

Hi, mate. Good to be back with you again. My hearing has actually improved but I love your subtitles. Noticed a bit of graffiti already on the INSIDE of one of the doors, sadly. Hullo from Australia.

[@joshtaylor7881]

I can't believe how fast time has gone by. I can remember the 92 stock brand new! I'm very pleased they're sticking around for a good while yet however!

[@imsbvs]

I still have fond memories of the '62 rolling stock, from my days commuting to school. Have now left London and rarely travel on the underground, what I find jarring is the constant noise of announcements, we survived so well with silence. But having CCTV and visual displays are certainly worthwhile improvements

[@EssexWolf1993]

What makes it a bit eerie for me is that that first 1992 Tube stock entered service a couple of weeks before I was born! 😳

[@chrisrogers1669]

I’ll add to that… the propulsion equipment was produced by Brush, I think for ADtranz, and I costed the traction motors (LT130), when I first started working there. I’m still at Brush.

[@allenwilliams1306]

Or four months before I was 40, when, of course, life begins! I couldn't see anything wrong with the trains they replaced, which I, indeed, remembered having been themselves brand new.

[@Peter-mj6lz]

@@allenwilliams1306That must be weird. I’m not at that age yet. The 92 stock was being introduced 2 years when I was born in 94 but I still remember my first ever time using the 96 stock when I was about 4 years old and how new they seemed. They still seem modern to me despite being near their mid life.

[@johna9851]

I will tell you what is more eerie. I worked on the Hainault line thirty years before you were born and the stations are exactly the same as they were then.

[@SouthLondonRailwayPhotography]

8:42 The Central Line operates ATO/ATP, which does not require tripcocks, so the trains are not fitted with them when operating in normal service. The Piccadilly line operates tripcock/trainstop signalling. The 1992 Stocks were delivered with tripcocks before ATO/ATP. When they were removed, some were kept around in the event that they needed to be moved along a tripcock line. When the 92s are moved to Acton they are fitted with tripcocks, not removed.

[@cleanycloth]

I went on one of the first tests a few weeks ago and what excitement! Adrian’s voice makes the trains sound so futuristic. I will absolutely miss the washing machine motors and Emma’s voice, but it’s a welcome upgrade.

[@CoxallK]

Welcome upgrade? Explain why the doors are still stained with graffiti?

[@cleanycloth]

@@CoxallK Obviously they’re working on making sure the upgrades actually work first before refreshing the rest of it.

[@Security848]

shame it has a upset alot of people in the mean time

[@Johnashward212]

I don’t think the old ones sound like a washing machine at all.

[@ThomasFeild-re6qh]

have to hope they have less nauseous announcements on the new tube for london - i get the reasoning behind the disjointed announcements, but I think they could have made them flow better. I find the current piccadilly or first gen overground announcements are calming whilst travelling, whilst these new central line ones in particular are going to make a journey more excruciating than the central line heat

[@jfmezei]

The PATCO trains between Philadelphia and Camden and wickedly fast acceleration. Thet started service in 1969, and in recent years, got full rebuild by Alstom. Instead of replacing the motors, the motors were just refurbished. For central line, I suspect that the system that manages acceleration would have also changed (and would likely "play" a different sound or none at all.).

[@russellb1212]

The moquette is superb, the trains look superb, the announcements are horrendous, too many, too frequent

[@HenrysAdventures]

Glad to see the 1992 Stock will be with us for a bit longer! I'll look forward to riding one of the refurbished trains.

[@marthaanderson2656]

Any improvement is great. I had the pleasure of staying in Acton last year . The only service from hotel was via Central line. It got very unpleasant, day in and day out. That was a real miscalculation on my part. The upside is that the hotel was good and even though right on the Underground line, you could not hear those clunky trains. The moquette is lively and fun

[@AndreiTupolev]

What's so unpleasant about it? I think they're great

[@CoxallK]

@@AndreiTupolev two things, Acton is an extremely unpleasant place to stay anywhere and the Central line trains have had a budget refurb. Internal doors are still a state, the panels are falling off by the drivers cab and they cant even be arsed to clean off the graffiti. Lets not dress this up to be something its not.

[@DavidKnowles0]

​@@CoxallK I honestly do wonder that given the cost of the refurbishment as now hit 500 million pounds, whether it would have made more sense to replace 1/3rd of the trains instead. May be slightly more as the manufacturers made clear the more TFL orders, the lower the cost per train will be. An then use the old trains as spares to keep the rest going. Acquiring new trains as TFL could afford them.

[@t.gilligan9661]

​@@AndreiTupolevAnnouncements are obscenely noisy, and annoyingly repetitive.

[@gaddyfree1085]

Central line trains are disgusting, filthy

[@helenapalatova4268]

It all looks great, but I really wish they did something about temperature inside , especially during summer months. It’s obviously not a small upgrade, and I’m not sure if it is actually possible to upgrade it, unless you do brand new trains, but the fact that they did those little improvements means that it will be unbearably hot for quite a while, because next stage of development won’t be any time soon

[@fuzzylon]

Thanks for another great video. Yes, those handrails above the doors were grey. I don't travel on the Central Line often, but I found that very disconcerting when you want to grab something and it's 'camouflaged' so you can't see it. The other lines have these in contrasting colours. I'm disappointed to see the graffiti at 9:40. I would have hoped they were able to clean that off.

[@railman8454]

I used to live on Heathstan Road in East Acton where the trains ran along the back of the gardens (sadly the housing blocks I once knew have since been demolished and rebuilt) I used to sit on the edge of the window in my bedroom and watch the trains go by. I lived on the second floor so had a decent view of the trains... the westbound trains ran on top of an embankment for the best view, the esstbound trains partly hidden as they entered the dip to criss cross under the westbound line heading towards White City. I still remember the sounds of the trains on the track there... Passing wesrbound trains produced a very unusual, non-symmetrical sound along the tracks given the axles would obviously be very symmetrical by design! Biggest memory was seeing the then-new 92 stock trains running with the older 62 stock trains. Very nostalgic but also sad that my favourite tube stock train at the time was being phased out. I would have been about 8 years old at the time they started running the 92s

[@kieronsmith002]

I was down in London for the day yesterday but, didn't get a chance to ride the new refurbished Central line The shuttle service. The 1992 tube stock refurbishment looks much better with priority area for wheelchair users and I like the new announcement. I will try out the new refurbishment central line in the new year when I go up to London. Brilliant footage Geoff 👍.

[@WilliamWallace14051]

Yes! Flooring factory tour. Maybe a visit to shop where they are being re-fitted too?

[@williamwallace6397]

Hi come on we got to do this hi what's ur name oh never mind its William Wallace hi from William Wallace hahhahaha its weird

[@fatboyfat_uk]

I assume the combination of the reliability issues and this upgrade is the reason that the Central line is currently permanently at least Minor Delays. Hope they rollout quickly

[@WayneKline]

Finally, upgrading / updating the Central Line trains. I was there in October and rode the Central Line each day for a week. Every seat had collapsed seats, you just went down to the base. These look really nice.

[@henrybn14ar]

There is a lot to be said for refurb, because the basic train should be good for 60 years. Refurb provides the opportunity to remedy faults in the original design, whereas new trains come with a whole lot of new faults which come to light over the first few years in service.

[@whophd]

The curved window thing must be a late-80s early-90s design thing - we have exactly those windows on the upper deck of the “Tangara” trains in Sydney Australia. It didn’t go out of fashion so much as “it’s too hard to do” - so I miss it when I get newer trains. Strangely parallel story in London. It’s nice to be able to sit in the seat and see straight up.

[@DavidKnowles0]

I will missed those big windows when they are eventually replace by the new tube for London trains.

[@metromodernism]

I used to love the Central line trains as a child because your reflection towards the top of the window would be upside down. I found that amusing.

[@DavidKnowles0]

I use to end seeing sweet wrapper float over the air vents. @@metromodernism

[@ianthomson9363]

@@metromodernism Me too! I still do.

[@eurouc]

These units are so much better looking than the new tube trains about to be rolled out. It’s all about the glazing. The new trains appear to have a “small window” problem.

[@martindeane9631]

Good to see this upgrade. I remember the excitement of getting to ride the shiny new 92 stock trains with their original red moquette when they first ran on the Central Line, having ridden the 62 stock trains from when I started at school in 1967. The only negative comment I have about this upgrade is that I really like the announcements being in sync with the displays on the S8 stock trains whereas this appears not to be the case with these, Maybe a software update will fix it!

[@GMDpowerman11]

Love the new refurbishment but I also like the janky feel of the old one

[@b_altmann]

Very nice moquette! Fits again with the red poles like the original did

[@LasseGreiner]

Very knowledgeable and nicely excited representative in charge, thanks a lot!

[@ezramortimer7688]

I'm never ever up in Woodford/Hainult area apart from about 1 week a year when I work on a performance up there but I had to take the shuttle/loop service on Monday to get there and it was one of the new trains. I didn't even know they were coming but it was a great surprise. Also it looks like the doors have already been vandilised at 9:24 :(

[@7nhlez]

First of all, it still looks like the same height, and one of the common complaints about old central line trains is that it's too short for a lot of people. Second, apart from priority seating and space for wheelchairs and baby prams (which is great but also a standard?!), the seats look exactly the same except newer fabric. What about aircon or better ventilation? Central line is unimaginably hot and stuffy during summer, causing people to faint and fall ill. What is the point of these new trains if they can't resolve the major issues with the central line? Spending money for nothing. Even if it's not as noisy, it will be noisy when it pulls into the impossible curve that is Bank. The real test of how noisy or squeaky it is would be when these trains get into Bank 😂 all these stations you're riding have a straight track, of course it shouldn't be noisy if it's a new train. Also at 9:37, am I seeing graffiti already on the new carriage doors? Jokes. Finally, voice announcements on a train is a standard. Having a clear display of where the train is going, its final destination, what is the next stop etc - no upgrade on that then? This upgrade is so jokes, and how much is tfl spending on this? 😂😂😂

[@template16]

Thanks for another interesting video Geoff. Thanks also to Colette for her input.

[@AlexGreyhead]

I think the videos where you, Geoff, are visibly excited and have a lot of love for the train du jour are the most enjoyable to watch. Love your vids - thank you (-:

[@paulgiffen6836]

Hi Geoff, wonder why they did not paint the doors, they still have graffiti on them ?

[@antonydennett5938]

Great video as always Geoff. Thank you for the time and effort you use, to keep them flowing.

[@brianbell4937]

I assume the graffiti seen inside the doors was not cleaned off when the train was refurbished, as no chance surely for it to be done on that press trip ? Also a shame the seats have not been increased in height. 1992 stock seats are so low down, I have sometimes had problems standing up from.them.

[@TheRedFloofball_Foxy]

I think most of the trains are not yet refurbished and a few are still in the workshops being refurbished

[@danielmaximoff8151]

Why do I honestly love the new moquette more than the old one😩

[@PedroNeves-hm5xm]

Because you can’t get any worse than the current ones…

[@iGenUINElycannotbelievethis]

@@PedroNeves-hm5xm 12th

[@ElvenSpellmaker]

Sadly this one and the Elizabeth ones look atrocious.

[@robla85g18]

I’ll be missing the sound of the old DC motors for sure. Great memories. But let’s be honest they needed a good upgrade!

[@ivanyap2002]

Yep, the dc motors are much better than the ac.

[@robla85g18]

@@ivanyap2002 well i reckon DC sounds better, AC is better for performance and efficiency!

[@wta1518]

@@robla85g18 That's completely not true. the 1996 stock is the best sounding of all chewb trains, and it's AC.

[@robla85g18]

@@wta1518agree 96TS sounds the best. But the noise doesn’t come from the AC motors, it comes from the inverters feeding them.

[@wta1518]

@@robla85g18 I know that, but since the inverters are necessary to convert the DC third rail power to AC, they're still only found on AC trains.

[@KEITHMU]

5:12 I thought you were going to talk to Betty Boo lol. Never understood why the curved Windows weren't used on the newer stocks (Yes I know why on the 95/96 stock). Lovely video as always

[@thisis_mudchute]

curved windows break easily, especially the class 442 once in south west trains

[@-Benedict]

Good. They look and sound nice. As things stand I'd rather take a longer route than use the central line below ground. This should make the line more tolerable. Better lighting and the installation of CCTV will help a lot.

[@mdhazeldine]

Improvements are all great, but kinda disappointing that there's no air conditioning. Can't believe we're in 2023 and one of the most unbearably hot lines won't get trains with AC until at least 2040. And yes yes, I know the tunnels also need cooling too, but that could be being worked on during the time these trains are in operation, so might've been a good idea to at least future proof these.

[@MrGreatplum]

Does look like a great improvement for the central line. I wonder if they will still be exceptionally loud in places (the area around Leytonstone seemed to be really bad for that when I took a rare visit that way this week.)

[@neeha9449]

Ah yes, my commuting route! Not my most favourite stock but definitely a specialty of their own. I like how the new accessibility area uses divider panels that are in the same colour with the current (old) panels, yellowish and dark brownish instead of being modernly white. Blends in well!

[@bb-3653]

Probably my 4th favourite 1st=96 2nd=95 3rd=s stock 4th=92stoxk 5th is met cammel units Not really a fan only 09 stock as they sound trash at speed

[@jacksomb1]

What a lovely, enthusiastic lady Colette is

[@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus]

Funny to think that the 1962 Stock that was on the Central Line before these, after 30 years was withdrawn and replaced by the 1992 stock..... These will have to keep going for at least another 10 years, if not more!

[@michaeljohnson9421]

The shapes in the moquette look like visual nods to Underground roundels, and the diamond used on station signs by the Metropolitan Railway (reproduction versions can be seen at Moorgate). But the diamond logo was never used by the Central London Railway; I don't think it ever had a logo as such. So maybe the diamonds in the Central Line moquette are just a coincidence - although I'd say Underground design concepts are too carefully thought out for that.

[@NPSee-dv2xr]

Every Geoff Marshall NPC Nerd: "VOICEOVER MAN BAD!" Adrian: "Woodford station go brrrrrrrrrr"

[@donstravelsandrants.]

That woman explained everything brilliantly. Good at her job.👍😊🇮🇪🇬🇧

[@NickyAddrison]

Geoff i would guess the flooring is Altro Transflor Motus. you can tour the altro factory in letchworth.

[@rikufryderyk]

Great video Geoff as always! I live in East London so I will definitely be taking a ride on one of these trains next year- my video schedule is packed 😅 Love the trains!

[@YASIN01038]

I watch your videos.

[@noelleoue876]

geoff has to reply

[@SparkyClarke]

@Geoff Marshall Are you planning on riding the new Glasgow Subway trains? They recently put 2 into service.

[@thisis_mudchute]

he went to edinburgh one day before you wrote your comment so maybe

[@Gary0557]

Woodford, where I lived as a toddler in the 60's and when I fell in love with the Tube. Dad used to take me for regular rides to Leytonstone and back, and to Loughton and back at weekends. 😢

[@reececollison5101]

The 92’s announcements and motor noise were my favourite and I was really sad to hear that they’re going, but I’m kind of at peace with it as it was needed. Those motors were getting very unreliable and the announcements were sometimes hard to hear in tunnels

[@highbury1972]

Great Video Geoff! Interesting that Wallace & Sewell didn’t design the new Moquette on the refurbishment. Personally I’d love to see The Jaqueline Groag Moquette on some format on TfL rolling stock. Colette came across very well in interview.

[@ramyadharmalingam5538]

Finally, these Central Line trains have upgraded, and this new refurbished line is much better than the old 1992 Stock. Honestly, I have to say that the new announcements for the trains is the worst. But, atleast the new Central Line is not cramped anymore and is more spacious.

[@peabody1976]

The Central Line refurb sounds like a Victoria Line train in induction/traction! Very nice! And welcome, Adrian's voice!

[@closedtoycarreviewchannel7565]

No, it sounded more like S Stock

[@Peter-mj6lz]

Use similar traction motors I think. I think it sounds similar but not the same from videos, it sounds a bit milder.

[@Jvbeagles]

Would love to see a factory tour of where the moquette and the floor is made¡

[@jcarter3562]

Thanks Geoff, nice review! Just one thing, LU Metro Trains are made up of 'cars' and not carriages. Sorry! that's probably the nerd in me! As a retired Central Line driver I can confirm that! As to why? I've never truly known that myself. Its possibly because they are 'Metro Trains' and/or that they are actually multiple electrical units which give them that designation. Maybe somebody knows another reason as to why?

[@bfapple]

It's the American heritage of Charles Yerkes "Underground Electric Limited@

[@MisterTea74]

Oh Geoff, you missed a Grange Hill flying sausage gag. Such a missed opportunity 😂😂

[@markc3874]

Remember travelling to my Saturday job on the 92 stock when they were being introduced in the early 1990s.

[@leeklass3907]

As part of my work I have travel from Stratford to Chancery Lane . When I returned back to Stratford I was asked by colleagues what Ithaught of the the journey I said it was the noisiest tube trainnisy environment I had been in and was surprised some passengers were having a conversation in such a noisy evirnonment. Most of my colleagues live in London or completed the journey many times and are used to it.

[@japanesetrainandtravel6168]

I am sad. I love the new seating moquette, and while I understand the need for reliable motors, I already miss the hum of the motors which were unique to the 92s and I don’t particularly like the in-train announcements -Feels as robotic as the NYCT.

[@MattDavis_BeechingsGhosts]

Well done, Geoff. Leyton to Loughton is the oldest section of the tube, so have the platforms been upgraded to match their RVAR claims?

[@ASLEFshrugged]

Leyton to Loughton wasn't part of the Tube network until 1947. South Woodford, Woodford and Buckhurst Hill are the only RVAR complaint stations although they need staff in attendance to deploy ramps

[@MattDavis_BeechingsGhosts]

@@ASLEFshrugged built 1856. Oldest part of the network. Predates the Met. Ancient platforms. Being Step Free does not make it RVAR compliant, I'm talking about level boarding and the hopelessness of giving access to wheelchair users yet denying them entry/ exit to stations which typically go unstaffed on a regular basis. Epping claims to be step free yet one exit is regularly locked shut.

[@ASLEFshrugged]

@@MattDavis_BeechingsGhosts All the platforms have been rebuilt since 1850s, Loughton was completely rebuilt 1939/40 There are no plans for level boarding anywhere on the Central line as the cost would be massive and TfL simply doesn't have the funds At the moment Tube is struggling to have enough staff to keep the Section 12 stations open so "open section" stations are going to suffer

[@denfitzpatrick5988]

No

[@darrellleverkuhn2204]

Exciting! The train looks great. But, did I see (9:25) someone has already spray painted an interior door? Ugh 😮. Or maybe the doors haven’t been repainted yet?? 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@trevorkeyes6067]

I remember before the 1992 stock my favourite was the the 1962 tube stock do miss them

[@saintofselhurst]

Really can now see how TfL is bringing the Tube into the next few decades. '92 stock refurbed, '23 stock coming soon and then they have to address the Bakerloo line and eventually move on to the Northern and Jubilee lines even though the last two are still good

[@SomeoneExplores]

Interestingly, the Waterloo and City line has the same dude on the new announcements *dont know if mentioned yet*

[@Toxicpen456]

Loving the content Geoff! Keep it up ❤

[@henreereeman8529]

Shame they don't have those nice LCD information screens (like on the new Piccadilly Line trains or the Elizabeth line trains), but I guess the dot-matrix screens are alright

[@DavidKnowles0]

i wonder if they got them cheap from the supplier.

[@richardgray45]

Great video Geoff, but refurbing the 92’s is akin to polishing a turd. Terrible rolling stock bought on the cheap back in the day after three prototypes tested down at South Ealing. I recall that these were the worst but the cheapest?

[@AndreiTupolev]

What's so bad about them?

[@grahambartram7944]

Where do we begin? I went to check out the 1992 prototypes (red, blue and green tube trains!) at Woodford (from memory). The lights had pierced metal covers that looked like handholds, so people could stick their hands through and straight into a fluorescent tube. The in-cabin bins (yes the prototypes had bins beside the doors) were not sealed so when we threw our paper coffee cups into them the remaining coffee dregs leaked out of all the panel seams. The surface mounted doors worried us as seeming very vulnerable to being torn off in the event of a derailment - a problem confirmed several months after launch when a Central line train derailed at Chancery Lane (from memory) and tore its doors off, etc. etc. I never liked the 1992 stock. Incidentally it looked as if the newly refurbished stock was graffitied and had faded roundel decals already - not a great start. I do like the new moquette, I just hope its is harder wearing than the S7/S8 moquette which has worn down to bear backing fabric already. Why do the wheelchair areas not have fold down seats for when they are not being used for wheelchairs?

[@76_SPZL]

Wow the new motors are much quieter, once you hear the old stock pull in it really gives you the contrast.

[@johna9851]

I was a station foreman at Roding Valley in 1962 and have lived in Australian since 1964. I cannot help noticing that the stations have not changed one bit.

[@grand.central]

I think this is a great idea on TfL's part. There's no need to buy new trains if you can overhaul the ones you already have and genuinely extend their life.

[@georgeprout42]

Right to Repair is important. If they were John Deere trains they'd have some strange error code appearing (which simply means you were meant to have replaced them by now).

[@owensmith7530]

Overhauling the trains won't fix many of the problems with the Central Line. Track noise in the tunnels is dreadful, and the carriages are not walk through.

[@grand.central]

@@owensmith7530 The lack of walkthrough carriages I appreciate is a problem, but I don't see how the trains have anything to do with the tunnel noise levels. That has to do with the tracks.

[@owensmith7530]

@@grand.central And the horrendous noise is the worst problem with the Central Line, so they should be fixing that not fiddling around the edges with the trains.

[@pretsas]

And no air conditioning for longer…

[@evanw2164]

Life is just better with trains. Thanks Geoff!

[@tobymildon1981]

Thank you for showing the dedicated wheelchair space

[@fuzzynutter8344]

I assume TfL are looking to keep the 1992 Stock for a while then if they're refurbishing them. Nothing wrong with that but I thought TfL were looking to standardize as much as possible and therefore replace the 1992 (as well as the 1995/1996) stock with trains similar to the forthcoming new Piccadilly Line ones, rather than go to the expense of refurbishment. Mind you, the D-Stock were expected to be around for a lot longer following their refurbs.....

[@chrisoddy8744]

I think the problems with the funding means that the original order has been swapped so that if TfL get enough funding for a second fleet of '24s, it's going to the Bakerloo first and not the Central as originally planned

[@grassytramtracks]

NTfL on the Central, Bakerloo and Waterloo and City line are on hold for who knows how long because TfL don't have any money

[@hi-viz]

@@chrisoddy8744 The Bakerloo makes far more sense in any case, the '72 stock feels like it's on more than it's last legs

[@qtrainprod]

​@@hi-viztrue. In fact here in New York we have a similar situation where we are still using rolling stock from the 70s. The new rolling stock to replace those IS coming but at a slow rate. In fact only 6 of those are in service right now.

[@shai4129]

man its a real shame the new dot matrix displays block off part of the panoramic windows, that was one of my fav things about the '92 stock :(

[@grahammason8407]

Its good knowing the audio announcement is projected with a clear and concise voice. The one at Liverpool Street on the Circle Line has been changed to a woman who mumbles and is very hard to understand. They need to get Adrian to re-do the announcements.

[@danpanther]

Nooo! I liked the old female announcer voice. She was quite calming and soothing!

[@whophd]

Grange Hill and Chigwell - two big TV show references. I can’t hear the first one without doing the theme tune opener. Nearly as bad as the Eastenders sting.

[@c.a.7844]

I'm probably a minority in this, but the refurbishment of these trains strikes me as terrible news for people taking the Central line. All the changes mentioned are nice but don't really tackle what is (in my opinion) the most fundamental problem: the unbearable heat that passengers are subjected to. This is not just uncomfortable, it is a serious risk to health and, during the worst days of summer, possibly life. The line desperately needs significant investment in new (air-conditioned) rolling stock and station/tunnel improvements to regulate temperatures, but this refurbishment has now made such investment virtually impossible, and has granted TFL a licence push back these changes for another 20 or 30 years.

[@Blank00]

The 1992 stock will be replaced by new Siemens trains that have AC, it’s supposed to be the same new trains bound for Piccadilly and Bakerloo

[@donaldnemesis393]

it just looks as good as 1996 stock interior

[@davekelly1946]

Enjoyed the video Geoff. Great to hear that they're quieter as they are deafening on certain parts of the line. The only disappointment is still no air conditioning. The thought that these trains will soldier on for another 20 or so years is terrible. The circle lines trains are in a different league. I liked the new clearer announcements too. Handy also for casual users to know which side the doors will be opening. Central line always appears to be the poor relation.

[@owensmith7530]

Depends which way you are standing what left and right means, so the announcements of which side the doors open makes no sense to me.

[@rick11960]

Quieter on the outside,noisier on the inside !

[@inserthandlehereok]

pretty sure Adrian did the BTP announcements on the Picc

[@TheMexxodus]

For 30 years old they aged quite well. And as a tall person - 2m02 - I appreciate the design of the curved windows :)

[@RichardLamsdale]

I was also thinking how well they’ve aged - 30 years is a long time! (and I remember riding them when they were new…)

[@Peter-mj6lz]

They have aged well in design but not structurally. It seems like trains from the 90’s in the uk are aging well design wise because that’s when design seems to have changed a lot but new trains design since then hasn’t changed too much.

[@williamwallace6397]

Interesting that not much has changed but definitely a decent improvement

[@johnrimmer7426]

Very irritating constant announcements (also on so many other sevices up and down the country). Years ago we seemed to manage allright; Perhaps we're just a bit more stupid than we used to be. Looks like some grafitti already at 9:47.

[@EuroDC1990]

Definitely looks a lot fresher, the 1992 stock have long felt very different to anything else on the tube and a bit unloved.

[@GaryJohnWalker1]

I wonder when the transport museum will be selling sofas covered in that moquette

[@RoamingAdhocrat]

I'm gonna need the socks

[@jasonsubhan8479]

I recently went to Wanstead on the central line. I love travelling on the sections of the tube that are overground. The refurbished trains look great. The only issue that I have with the tube as I'm getting older, is the gap between the platform and the entrance to the train carriage. I wonder are there any plans to try and somehow bridge the gap?

[@RJBTransport]

Love the videos in 2023 Geoff I have been following you for long time I always enjoy you videos because you put lot time into your videos.Hope you have Good Christmas can't wait for the videos in 2024

[@Rivenworld]

For a reconditioned train what's with the state of the doors near the end of the video? Somebody slipped up.

[@denfitzpatrick5988]

Doors weren’t on CLIP

[@adriangiddins6065]

Thanks Geoff....but did I notice some new graffitti as well ??

[@MurrayGould]

Thanks!

[@pgchase4578043026]

Of course, aircon was not possible to add?

[@DavidFengTrains]

“A lot of people get excited about new moquettes… mainly me…” 😂

[@timwillett7802]

9:24 all that refurb and what’s the mess on the doors behind you?!