How Much Quicker Is The Elizabeth line?

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Geoff Marshall

Geoff Marshall

2 жыл бұрын

With the new #ElizabethLine about to open, it will take just 29 minutes on the train between Paddington and Abbey Wood, which is fast ... but how does that breakdown to the time between the individual stops, and how long does it takes to make that same journey at the moment? Let's take some trips to find out!
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@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 2 жыл бұрын
Tim Traveller, our Paris Correspondent, was such a delight to hear from. Crossrail is not part of the Tube methinks, it’s a new form of Trains.
@tenalafel
@tenalafel 2 жыл бұрын
really from what I see from South Paris, the Elizabeth Line/Crossrail is really to London what our Paris RER A is. It's not a Tube ( métro here ), it's not an Overground ( Transilien here ), it's in it's own very specific category.
@ricktownend9144
@ricktownend9144 2 жыл бұрын
What Tim said about the Paris Metro trains running on the right ... actually the Central Line runs on the right for quite a stretch of its route, and the Northern Line for a bit ...
@fussyboy2000
@fussyboy2000 2 жыл бұрын
Just like Thameslink then.
@katbryce
@katbryce 2 жыл бұрын
It is in the same category of service as Thameslink. That also makes it like the RER, because lines A & B are operated by RATP, the equivalent of TfL, and C, D & E are run by SNCF.
@Ro99
@Ro99 2 жыл бұрын
@@ricktownend9144 Victoria aswell for a bit
@cplayzstuff6907
@cplayzstuff6907 2 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking of Geoff visiting the new stops on the Elizabeth line and 3 SECONDS LATER he uploaded this Video! These odds are almost impossible.
@THuk44444
@THuk44444 2 жыл бұрын
Mid May: non stop crossrail hype videos Mid June: I'll be used to using it and forget that it's even new
@cerealport2726
@cerealport2726 2 жыл бұрын
Geoff must be able to read your mind, it's the only logical explanation!
@NapoleonRook
@NapoleonRook 2 жыл бұрын
As a regular commuter I can confidently say the H&C to Liverpool Street / Farringdon is often delayed and held around Aldgate especially at rush hour, and I often have to wait 10 minutes for the train. Geoff is really overestimating how quick the current journey is. I'll definitely be taking Crossrail!
@aetaneeve
@aetaneeve 2 жыл бұрын
Not to mention the frequency!
@johnh7727
@johnh7727 2 жыл бұрын
Since Covid, Hammersmith and City has got far worse. It doesn’t turn up for upto 15 mins
@thomasday3256
@thomasday3256 2 жыл бұрын
This! I'm not sure how much the new signalling has helped things but I'd often be waiting for the H&C up to 10 minutes at Whitechapel with no indication of how long it will be and then sit in a tunnel for a couple more minutes at Aldgate before reaching Liverpool Street
@NapoleonRook
@NapoleonRook 2 жыл бұрын
Good to meet other people suffering the same problem with the H&C. Not long to go now! ☺️
@TheChasamSoda
@TheChasamSoda 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I was going to say that too. It usually takes me about 12-15 minutes to get from Whitechapel to Farringdon and from when I've actually boarded and that's after waiting for a Hammersmith and City train to actually arrive at Whitechapel!
@ingleacre6480
@ingleacre6480 2 жыл бұрын
Crossrail is the mode type, Thameslink and Elizabeth are the lines, and I will die on this hill. (And yes this means Crossrail 2 should really be thought of as Crossrail *3* if we're thinking in terms of RER-type lines versus "The Tube"... Hey, I'm just following TfL's own precedent...)
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 2 жыл бұрын
Thameslink is Up-And-Down-Rail. Crossrail goes across, side to side. That's if you use a north-centric system of mapping...
@MarkDibley
@MarkDibley 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulsengupta971 that equally applies to south-centric systems of mapping too!
@paulsengupta971
@paulsengupta971 2 жыл бұрын
@@MarkDibley Ah yes, of course!
@willneverforgets3341
@willneverforgets3341 2 жыл бұрын
This sounds more like it. What is overground then?
@ingleacre6480
@ingleacre6480 2 жыл бұрын
@@willneverforgets3341 My personal feeling is that "Overground" is a good brand for commuter lines that TfL runs (and may run in future). So that's the Euston-Watford line and Lea Valley lines. But in practice I think most people treat the Goblin and the main outer circle routes as de facto "the Tube" (even if the service frequency isn't quite there relative to the deep tunnel and SSR lines), so they should probably be rebranded into the Underground family with its own colour.
@stevenjlovelace
@stevenjlovelace 2 жыл бұрын
I always thought it was interesting how Paris (and most cities) have lines with letters or numbers, while London has whimsical names like Piccadilly and Bakerloo.
@houseclearance7509
@houseclearance7509 2 жыл бұрын
In London you need to have a sense of compass bearings. In Paris you need to know what the CURRENT terminus station is called of the line in question. If you are an infrequent visitor you might be flummoxed to find that it's no longer Direction Porte D'Orleans but Bagneux on line 4 for example
@greghilton7797
@greghilton7797 2 жыл бұрын
Just because doesn't justify doing it just because.
@ijstock
@ijstock 2 жыл бұрын
It's because the British are a whimsical nation and have an antipathy to clear, rational organisation.
@lisamortini8567
@lisamortini8567 2 жыл бұрын
@@houseclearance7509 Agreed, I find the Paris system much more confusing... And I'm French!
@jandron94
@jandron94 2 жыл бұрын
@@houseclearance7509 Well except for the line 7 and 13 which have branches you don't need to know the 2 terminus stations of each metro line. Knowing only one is enough, the other one obviously going in the opposite direction. That's mostly how I have used the Paris metro in the first few years. Usually one terminus name of a metro line stands out more than the other terminus name of the same line, here are my "prefered" directions : 1: La Défense 2: Nation 3: Levallois 4: Clignancourt 5: Italie 6: Etoile 7: Courneuve (branches...) 8: Créteil 9: none (can't decide) 10: Austerlitz 11: Châtelet 12: none (can't decide) 13: none (can't decide) (branches...) 14: Olympiades So basically knowing from 10 to 14 names (and knowing their vague location on a Paris metro map) would enable you to find your way in the Paris metro without too much problem. Of course you also have the RER within Paris...
@Eddyspeeder
@Eddyspeeder 2 жыл бұрын
"So do I know someone in Paris, who..." -> here's a segue that gets me jumping right on the spot!
@danielslovacek2101
@danielslovacek2101 2 жыл бұрын
It's shiny, it's new, but most importantly IT'S PURPLE!
@japanesetrainandtravel6168
@japanesetrainandtravel6168 2 жыл бұрын
Exciting times to be in London! Despite living in Canada, I can feel all the energy building up towards the opening of the Elizabeth Line. Toronto’s major project - a light rail line which will cross the city - is dwarfed in comparison.
@20so
@20so 2 жыл бұрын
Hey, every little helps! :) gotta start somewhere. Ps thanks for sharing, I’m looking up this project next 😂
@K-o-R
@K-o-R 2 жыл бұрын
I'd say both Thameslink and Crossrail are a similar type of transport to the RER.
@raphaelnikolaus0486
@raphaelnikolaus0486 2 жыл бұрын
Would concur. Comparing Elizabeth line to Thameslink is closer to truth than comparing it to London Underground.
@fatherfountain1906
@fatherfountain1906 2 жыл бұрын
Thameslink is weird though because outside of London it doesn't really operate as a commuter/suburban rail mostly but more as a regional/intercity rail. The trains up to 60 miles from the city centre and can reach speeds of 100mph. But then in the centre of London and inner city areas its very much operated like a tube line or a standard urban mainline train like southern, southeastern etc. Crossrail is much more comparable to a tube line than Thameslink is but they are both much more similar to the RER. I feel like crossrail can be seen as a sort of express tube line in a way like Thameslink can't
@qjtvaddict
@qjtvaddict 2 жыл бұрын
@@fatherfountain1906 thameslink is a crosstown line
@dbracer
@dbracer 2 жыл бұрын
@@fatherfountain1906 Thameslink offers fast and semi fast services. The "stoppers" seem most comparable to me.
@jrevillug
@jrevillug 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Both are long distance, cross-city commuter lines, with a cluster of stops in the dense city centre. Crossrail has the advantage, in comparison, of being an all-new construction rather than being cobbled together from a bunch of leftovers. :P
@samisntfunny
@samisntfunny 2 жыл бұрын
I went to Abbey Wood recently and saw all the crossrail tests, they were going in and out very frequently
@engineeringvision9507
@engineeringvision9507 2 жыл бұрын
It would be better if it actually went all the way to [Filton] Abbey Wood.
@freddiepearce6455
@freddiepearce6455 2 жыл бұрын
@@engineeringvision9507 we need our own metro. Thanks
@engineeringvision9507
@engineeringvision9507 2 жыл бұрын
@@freddiepearce6455 Bristol could have an underground line. Maybe run it from Bedminster up Gloucester Road to Parkway or Abbey Wood.
@JP-rc3nl
@JP-rc3nl 2 жыл бұрын
@@engineeringvision9507 That would not happen.
@engineeringvision9507
@engineeringvision9507 2 жыл бұрын
@@JP-rc3nl Thank you captain obvious
@robbiemorrison7085
@robbiemorrison7085 2 жыл бұрын
I’m on a supported internship and work 3 days a week at Paddington, can now direct people on the purple train towards Liverpool Street and avoid the tube!
@tonychan8558
@tonychan8558 2 жыл бұрын
Why is this so interesting??!?!?!!! I sporadically visit London, and just use the Underground to get around, like millions of other people. Don't really care about times because I'm not in a rush, but this information is soooooo fascinating! Top marks, Geoff!
@3Mogsters
@3Mogsters 2 жыл бұрын
I don't even visit London and don't live anywhere nearby. Still weirdly interested in these videos.
@li_tsz_fung
@li_tsz_fung 2 жыл бұрын
Even if time is not a problem for you, new trains and stations give us a fresh modern look, and AC in summer. Both of them are rare in London
@Horizon301.
@Horizon301. 2 жыл бұрын
@@li_tsz_fung the stations are incredible. I live in the south west and can tell that this line is hugely valuable to the country as a whole in terms of benefiting the economy.
@simonmoore2380
@simonmoore2380 2 жыл бұрын
Would have actually been quicker for you just not to bother watching then, rather than write about how you don’t care about it. Muppet.
@tonychan8558
@tonychan8558 Жыл бұрын
@@simonmoore2380 WTF??? Read the comment properly. Muppet.
@Tidyweekender
@Tidyweekender 2 жыл бұрын
Geoff, I love your passion for trains. It's a subject I never thought would interest me, but your enthusiasm makes learning about them fun and entertaining. As someone who doesn't live in London but sometimes needs to commute there, I've always found the Underground quite intimidating and confusing, but your videos have helped me see it differently and have made my journeys there much less stressful. Please don't stop releasing great content.
@lcuk99
@lcuk99 2 жыл бұрын
Geoff's confidence is proper inspiring. Especially for a man speaking aloud on a London tube!
@dskadd32
@dskadd32 2 жыл бұрын
Following this journey from Australia. It's really interesting. Can't wait to get back there and try the new line - which isn't a tube line.
@MakeItWithCalvin
@MakeItWithCalvin 2 жыл бұрын
Coming from a tourist/crappy weather perspective even if the direct route takes a little longer I am willing to do a direct connection for simplicity. Overall, it looks like a great addition to London transport options.
@skyblazeeterno
@skyblazeeterno 2 жыл бұрын
thats a very good point. I think there are many travellers who prefer simplicity over time savings
@JoshuaFawcett
@JoshuaFawcett 2 жыл бұрын
When I visited London for the first time, I made the mistake of being at Canary Wharf Jubilee Line at peak times, it wasn't ideal lol.
@michaelchan1191
@michaelchan1191 2 жыл бұрын
Being able to bring out a random Paris correspondent for a mini segment is why this Channel is next level good. I don't even like trains.
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad 2 жыл бұрын
Much quicker than our current route from King's Cross to Abbey Wood to visit family I expect! Also faster than a lot of Rollercoasters!
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad
@RollerbazAndCoasterDad 2 жыл бұрын
Ha, transport museum socks star in all our London theme park vlogs!
@hamzasadiq7672
@hamzasadiq7672 2 жыл бұрын
Isn't that just thameslink? Shouldn't it be comparable
@c0wqu3u31at3r
@c0wqu3u31at3r 2 жыл бұрын
Thameslink with its massive... One train per hour
@PeteS_1994
@PeteS_1994 2 жыл бұрын
@@hamzasadiq7672 I think it would be much more refined than thameslink. Which seems to go slow through the core.
@eftalanquest
@eftalanquest 2 жыл бұрын
so judging from tim's explanation on what the rer is my judgement on what the elizabeth line is compared to what i know from my native germany is basically correct: it's an s-bahn line going through a city tunnel (think s-bahn stammstrecke munich or city tunnel leipzig)
@tenalafel
@tenalafel 2 жыл бұрын
from my knowledge after using for almost two month the S-Bahn in Frankfurt, yes. Another suburban train system that it can be compared to is the Stockholm Tunnelbanna. ( while they are locally considered subway, they are not really subways )
@pixoontube2912
@pixoontube2912 2 жыл бұрын
I think that London's "S-Bahn" network would comprise of Thameslink, Crossrail and the Overground routes.
@DrumHeadV
@DrumHeadV 2 жыл бұрын
Based on the trains, it strikes me as more similar to the RE trains (Regionalbahn) which e.g. go through Berlin.
@eftalanquest
@eftalanquest 2 жыл бұрын
@@pixoontube2912 yeah, of course. i always considered the overground to be londons s-bahn, thameslink fits into this as well.
@eftalanquest
@eftalanquest 2 жыл бұрын
@@DrumHeadV nah, there are other services that fit much more into the rb/re scheme.
@PokhrajRoy.
@PokhrajRoy. 2 жыл бұрын
A 48 Page Crossrail Special? That’s very cool BRB SCREAMING
@Drdee1
@Drdee1 2 жыл бұрын
3:55 The guy in the blue suit wondering what on earth's going on! Can't wait for this to open to reduce the number of people on the Central Line
@trainlagged
@trainlagged 2 жыл бұрын
The RER and Crossrail are essentially the same thing. They act like a faster metro within the city, but they are full-size trains (just with a high frequency).
@Teesbrough
@Teesbrough 2 жыл бұрын
From memory, various stage openings of RER Line A in early 1970s attracted much comment as to why London wasn’t doing something similar. That might have led to resurrecting the Crossrail concept in the 1975 London Rail Study. Big timesaver will be Paddington to Liverpool St which was always a painful trek when arriving on WR express services and fighting along the old narrow passage to the Circle Line platform before it was widened out.
@sunnysinghldn
@sunnysinghldn 2 жыл бұрын
Was a pleasure seeing you outside the Woolwich Crossrail station. Apologies for my girlfriend’s ignorance of your status 😅
@pb4rton
@pb4rton 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for inviting Phillip and for advertising the magazine. I would not have bought this magazine, if it wasn't for this mention! I am looking forward to reading the supplement!
@reinerjung1613
@reinerjung1613 2 жыл бұрын
Best new feature: Its purple. Love it.
@thegrowl2210
@thegrowl2210 2 жыл бұрын
Why does no one compare Crossrail to London's RER that's existed since the 80s - Thameslink?
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1
@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 2 жыл бұрын
It actually makes so much sense to compare those two as well. Thameslink is a great 'realtively' undercover way to cross London North to South And it even has a 24hour service at the weekends lol
@KyrilPG
@KyrilPG 2 жыл бұрын
Because Crossrail is closer to RER (A & E especially) than Thameslink > deep gigantic stations, high frequency, fast speeds, deep tunnels that link previously existing suburban lines that ended at railway terminals... Thameslink is closer to S-Bahn or RER C as it's made mainly of scraps of previous railways, etc.
@valerietorreggiani9973
@valerietorreggiani9973 2 жыл бұрын
So HUGELY excited. Popped into Sainsburys next door and thought, first day, why not be there. So went to Liverpool Street and back and home for tea. Amazing!
@toranshaw4029
@toranshaw4029 2 жыл бұрын
Good to see another collab with Tim. 🙂 I'm looking forward to part 2 of this video, when you do the same journey when the line actually opens!
@enricomonti156
@enricomonti156 2 жыл бұрын
This new line reminds me about the passante suburban railway line (that's how they call it) in Milan, which allows suburban trains to cross over Milan without needing to change at either the main stations in Cadorna, Milano Centrale, or in Porta Garibaldi. But that's been opened a few decades earlier.
@MartinBrenner
@MartinBrenner 2 жыл бұрын
I'd compare it to German S-Bahn, and there especially Berlin's Stadtbahn, the West-East diameter line. But the proportions of Crossrail are really massive. I hope to get a chance to visit London again in the future and see it myself. And I think the fact it has the purple roundel instead of red makes it clear enough it isn't just a tube line.
@roderickjoyce6716
@roderickjoyce6716 2 жыл бұрын
So would I, but that might be because I've lived in Germany while I've only visited Paris briefly. In 1929 the name Stadt-Schnell-Bahn ("City Rapid Railway" with the unfortunate in hindsight abbreviation SS-Bahn) was applied to the electrified urban and suburban railways in Berlin for the first time. This was shortened to S-Bahn in 1930. The CrossLizPurp line is wonderful, but anybody who complains it's four years late is missing the point - it's at least 60 years late; and most cities outside London will never ever get anything remotely like it.
@mudcrumble5609
@mudcrumble5609 2 жыл бұрын
I'd argue the North-South axis is an even better comparison as that is also underground while within the city.
@houseclearance7509
@houseclearance7509 2 жыл бұрын
@@roderickjoyce6716 Liverpool to Newcastle via Manchester, Leeds and York? That has to be Britain's first crossrail? Would Stalybridge be our Chatelet? or Bahnhof Friedrichstrasse?
@cr5418
@cr5418 2 жыл бұрын
Yes we have the s-bahn here in Frankfurt and it seems to be something similar to the crossrail!
@jerry2357
@jerry2357 2 жыл бұрын
It more reminds me of the Munich S-Bahn, because it’s in tunnel, whereas the main east-west S-Bahn line through the centre of Berlin is elevated.
@Noe-ph2lf
@Noe-ph2lf 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Geoff and Tim! I lived in Paris for a couple of years and the RER, though very practical, has quite a negative connotation (ie systematically overcrowded and unsafe). But I'm sure that Crossrail will be the better and more enjoyable version of the RER, and I look forward to riding it!
@malo66
@malo66 2 жыл бұрын
I think you mean that RER in Paris is "unsafe" as it goes to "edgy" suburbs. It is not that the trains are unsafe.
@MUHOHAHA
@MUHOHAHA 2 жыл бұрын
It depends on the line.. the RER A going from one very posh neighbourhood on one side to DisneyLand on the other is perfectly safe… the RER D spanning one dodgy hell hole to another is another story
@davidpnewton
@davidpnewton 2 жыл бұрын
If nothing else there will be ENORMOUS time savings when there are big conference events on at the ExCel. The DLR station there rivals Bombay super-dense crush busy-ness sometimes at the moment!
@bollas76
@bollas76 2 жыл бұрын
i love your videos geoff. you are always smiling as positive.
@donrevie721
@donrevie721 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Geoff, your video was highly illustrative... just goes to show how utterly TRANSFORMATIONAL the Elizabeth line will be.
@anniesoernym
@anniesoernym 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this comparison, Geoff! It shows very well which stations/connections will probably be useful (and much used) in future. Great stuff as always! 👍🏻
@MichaelSebastianTodd
@MichaelSebastianTodd 2 жыл бұрын
awesome work i cant wait for this to open now and i cant wait to try it out after it opens
@brunostransportjourneys2807
@brunostransportjourneys2807 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video Geoff! I cannot wait to go on the Cross/Eliz/Purple train. I went to visit the new Canary Wharf Elizabeth Line on the 24th April and it looks brilliant.
@andrewholloway231
@andrewholloway231 2 жыл бұрын
A superb video. Thanks Geoff.
@edenviews
@edenviews 2 жыл бұрын
Great for Tim to pop up there. I just viewed his Charleroi Metro film a few minutes ago.😀
@florianb81
@florianb81 2 жыл бұрын
Well that was a nice surprise. A familiar face. Great video as always. Will have to come to London to check out the system myself
@BernardCastle
@BernardCastle 2 жыл бұрын
I did my work experience building these trains on the factory floor, in Derby, back in 2018. So I look forward to seeing the line open!
@darren8453
@darren8453 2 жыл бұрын
The other disruptive impact that this will have is that, in going straight from A to B without faffing on the underground, you could feasibly get an unbroken stream of work done on the train, as long as it's offline by the time you get to the underground bits. That is a huge quality of commute upgrade for those of us struggling to make commuting time productive time.
@travelswithjess
@travelswithjess 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video Geoff! I can't wait for the opening on the 24th May :)
@guillaumemaurice3503
@guillaumemaurice3503 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video Geoff that was very interesting and informative.
@SquareoftheyearFM
@SquareoftheyearFM 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant video, loved Tim’s section being slotted in.
@DT-hg7te
@DT-hg7te 2 жыл бұрын
Great video Geoff, loved the cameo from Tim. What nobody has ever been able to answer for me however, is why it isn't a Thameslink line, or why Thameslink doesn't get rebranded to Crossrail. They're the same thing, one's just deep level whilst the other isn't*. Thameslink does go further out, but Reading isn't exactly any more 'London' than Peterborough is. Thameslink in the core has a similar frequency, and Crossrail at Reading will have a similar frequency (2 off peak) as we see at St Neots. For simplicity's sake, given the wealth of different modalities (Underground, Overground, Wombling Free, DLR, Tramlink) is already confusing to tourists and out of towners, should they not be merged? *Canal Tunnels are deep level, but you get my point.
@johnhaines4163
@johnhaines4163 2 жыл бұрын
It's about ownership, Thameslink is Network Rail, Crossrail is TfL/London Transport. I imagine it must be confusing to someone not used to it, especially someone from somewhere with no metro. I've lived in London all my life. I've been to Tokyo and had no problem understanding their network, but saw other people finding it very confusing.
@bobsrailrelics
@bobsrailrelics 2 жыл бұрын
Fun but relevant. And great to see Tim. Can't wait to see this in action when I am up in September.
@LarkLemonTravel
@LarkLemonTravel 2 жыл бұрын
Love this video as yes some parts of London are a nightmare as you feel your going round a maze to get to a stop that you could just jump over too. 👍
@chriskrebill1842
@chriskrebill1842 2 жыл бұрын
Omg! Tim! I love when Tim and Geoff work together for videos! Some of my favorite European KZbinrs (plus the Southerner and Nonstop Eurotrip)! Thank you for sharing and educating!
@johnlladron735
@johnlladron735 Жыл бұрын
Another great video, thanks very much. Must comment on the one moment that tickled me: "It's a 4 minute wait for a Central Line train." 😂😂 Living in Mid Wales, a wait of 4 minutes for any transport is a nanosecond. Keep up the good work, Geoff, the vids are great.
@Deanrwp
@Deanrwp 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Geoff, another brilliant video from yourself on the new Elizabeth Line, which I am really excited to try out after it opens on 24th May, it was great insight to the journey times, it is so much more which most of us know why it isn’t a Tube line as it is National Rail which goes underground hence the name Crossrail I look forward to more of your videos! 😊👍
@christopherbraiden6713
@christopherbraiden6713 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video can't wait to travel on the Elizabeth line!!😎🚆🚆🚆🚆🇬🇧🇺🇦
@SimonS44
@SimonS44 2 жыл бұрын
The Metropolitan line, the Bakerloo to Watford or the outer ends of the Central line are also just suburban rail lines that were connected underground. Of course nowadays noone sees it as a main-line train anymore, but I don't see that big a difference to the Elizabeth line. Of course the Elizabeth has fewer stops, but express metros are a thing elsewhere
@AnnabelSmyth
@AnnabelSmyth 2 жыл бұрын
Don't they have fast and semi-fast trains on the Bakerloo-Watford section of the Metropolitan Line, as well as stoppers? I don't have occasion to use those trains very often, so don't know.
@englishciderlover7347
@englishciderlover7347 2 жыл бұрын
The Bakerloo hasn't been as far north as Watford for decades. It terminates at Harrow & Wealdstone.
@SimonS44
@SimonS44 2 жыл бұрын
@@englishciderlover7347 true, but I mean it's still the Watford DC line that it travels on, together with National Rail (Overground)
@wasmic5z
@wasmic5z 2 жыл бұрын
@@AnnabelSmyth The Met only has fast trains during rush hour in the peak direction nowadays, but it used to have fast trains throughout the day.
@AnnabelSmyth
@AnnabelSmyth 2 жыл бұрын
@@wasmic5z Thank you
@fsfaith
@fsfaith 2 жыл бұрын
Love how I immediately knew it was going to be Tim when Geoff talks about his friend in Paris.
@saramari1957
@saramari1957 2 жыл бұрын
I am SO excited for the Elizabeth line!!!
@Sim0nTrains
@Sim0nTrains 2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant Video, even got time to get a cup of coffee while waiting for someone is using the current method of travel. enjoy the Elizabeth Line when it opens Geoff.
@weetikissa
@weetikissa 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who lives in the NL and visited London only once, this video really drives home the point for me. A good break-down of what's going to improve and how.
@Reason077
@Reason077 2 жыл бұрын
11:25 Yes the Elizabeth line is like the RER in Paris. And it's also like the Thameslink in London that we've had for a while now!
@robertcoleman4861
@robertcoleman4861 2 жыл бұрын
nice thanks geoff
@gingerkiwidev
@gingerkiwidev 2 жыл бұрын
The music at the beginning was wonderful and fun. It’s awesome surprise to have Tim Traveller here! Riding the Elizabeth line is on my list when I finally get to visit the UK (and not just because I’m Elizabeth ;-) ).
@raulburriel
@raulburriel 2 жыл бұрын
Tim Traveller shout out earns this video a LIKE!
@richardmccarthy9580
@richardmccarthy9580 2 жыл бұрын
One observation from someone who used to use the Paris RER. I agree if you at or going to one of the stations on the new line, it is clearly quicker. However my experience was if you were already on the tube/metro it could be as quick to stay on the tube and if required change rather than have an additional and an additional wait to travel on the new line
@timreay5148
@timreay5148 2 жыл бұрын
Yes. The question some have asked is whether people who currently travel in from north west London on the Jubilee Line to Canary Wharf will want to change at Bond Street to the Elizabeth Line. Will the time spent changing trains be made up by the faster journey from Bond Street to Canary Wharf, and/or being able to avoid the crush if you were a standing passenger on the Jubilee Line train?
@prettymiffedbrit
@prettymiffedbrit 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see Tim on the channel again!
@tonygibbs9339
@tonygibbs9339 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks very much Geoff for doing these timings. I remember pre-pandemic journeys from Paddington to Liverpool Street on the H&C being about 11 minutes, which seems comparable to what the Elizabeth Line is promising. But the Elizabeth Line should be great. I hope to ride it in the future. 🙂
@noorie3381
@noorie3381 2 жыл бұрын
geoff this video literally made my day thank you
@KENKENNIFF
@KENKENNIFF 2 жыл бұрын
Rode it today. Weird feeling of being motionless at some point because it so smooth.
@AlfaRomeo128
@AlfaRomeo128 2 жыл бұрын
hey Geoff, this video should be the fewest changes possible on the route,not necessarily with this point checking mode, I would just go from dlr and one simple change at west ham for J or HM lines and additional for Bond ST, I'll just change at Stratford or Mile End for Central line
@katbryce
@katbryce 2 жыл бұрын
Also, consider that for example a lot of people going from Bond Street to Paddington would just get on the Bakerloo at Oxford Circus rather than go to Bond Street and change, especially if your starting point is between the two stations.
@raabcv
@raabcv 2 жыл бұрын
Ok I wasn’t really expecting the Time Trav- uh, Tim Traveller but I love the collaboration. More please!
@jezdavies4917
@jezdavies4917 2 жыл бұрын
Fantastic cameo from Tim, more of these please
@LeoStarrenburg
@LeoStarrenburg 2 жыл бұрын
Nice to see you discussing times between trains of 4 and 2½ minutes. The (Dutch) village I live in has an hourly bus service (weekdays 07:00~23:00) with 4 buses/hour during commute times. Still a lot better than no public transport at all.
@gillchatfield3231
@gillchatfield3231 2 жыл бұрын
Try Lincolnshire! One bus an hour maximum. Nothing after 7.30pm (just one route), and nothing Sundays and Bank Holidays.
@BostonUnitedFM
@BostonUnitedFM 2 жыл бұрын
@@gillchatfield3231 Fellow Lincolnshire yellowbelly 😁
@roderickjoyce6716
@roderickjoyce6716 2 жыл бұрын
@@gillchatfield3231 I used to live in a village in Northamptonshire which had an hourly bus service to Northampton. A neighbouring village had one bus every three weeks to Kettering.
@georgebirchall4281
@georgebirchall4281 2 жыл бұрын
A friend of mine wanted to travel to a village in Northumberland. When he rang to ask for bus times, he was told "Every Thursday" (Market day)! One bis an hour seems like overkill compared to that.
@roderickjoyce6716
@roderickjoyce6716 2 жыл бұрын
@@georgebirchall4281 I live in Newcastle. Bus and train services along the A1/East Coast Main Line corridor to Berwick and through the Tyne Valley are at least acceptable and often quite good. But if you are heading into the interior of Darkest Northumberland or the Borders ... and travelling to Cairnryan for the ferries to NI takes hours longer than travelling to London or Bristol.
@keithkellogg6085
@keithkellogg6085 2 жыл бұрын
Geoff! Enjoyed this one - what a great cameo. So I’ve thought on this a while. Train or tube, rail or line. My answer? Neither, both. I echo a bunch of the statements made already below. It is wholly unique - the Elizabeth Rail Line. Cheers
@brilliantbuilder4228
@brilliantbuilder4228 Жыл бұрын
Fantastic video. I might do that myself 1 day as I love trains.
@worldaviation4k
@worldaviation4k 2 жыл бұрын
*Heathrow route would be interesting if the price is good*
@japanesetrainandtravel6168
@japanesetrainandtravel6168 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed. I have relatives in Manor Park - so flying into Heathrow would allow me to get to their place in one shot
@The_Chairperson
@The_Chairperson 2 жыл бұрын
What is this 'weekend part closer' thing every week in London? Service should be available 7 days a week. Occasional emergency closer is understandable once in a while. It has become the normal now. Rubbish. Some dudes need to get fired.
@lem0nwings
@lem0nwings 2 жыл бұрын
Got back from Heathrow last Sunday and took almost 2 hours by tube to Stratford. Only cost me £1.20 on a Railcard though, but still... Looking forward to do that trip with Crossrail soon.
@NeilsCarsAviationTravel
@NeilsCarsAviationTravel 2 жыл бұрын
I believe prices will compare to tube (if I have understood it correctly). I’ll be doing LHR- Liverpool Street on 21st June so will test out the theory.
@worldaviation4k
@worldaviation4k 2 жыл бұрын
@@NeilsCarsAviationTravel nice funnily enough by luck i arrive at heathrow the same day ot opens. for live streaming if all goes well. I should go on it as well at some point
@JP-rc3nl
@JP-rc3nl 2 жыл бұрын
This video is amazing!
@sarahsm6617
@sarahsm6617 Жыл бұрын
I love the jubilee line!!
@owenbowen2752
@owenbowen2752 2 жыл бұрын
I'm going to buy the magazine that they showed, looking forward to exploring bit's of London
@mrichards55
@mrichards55 2 жыл бұрын
Wait, so Crossrail has to share the tracks with other services at Woolwich / Abbey Wood? That’s going to be bedlam.
@timw.8452
@timw.8452 2 жыл бұрын
Except that it doesn't. Crossrail has its own tracks through to its tunnel under the river.
@mrichards55
@mrichards55 2 жыл бұрын
@@timw.8452 Got it. I was confused between the old Woolwich Arsenal and new Woolwich stations.
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 2 жыл бұрын
With that comparison to the RER (great to see Tim pop up, by the way), it makes me wish Crossrail had had the foresight to make Elizabeth Line double decker.
@MJPP090909
@MJPP090909 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't work with any of the pre-existing London commuter lines which are used further out as the bridges are too low. Their network was created later and thus with more 'headroom' to begin with. First mover costs.....
@shawnli4746
@shawnli4746 2 жыл бұрын
it's using gauge on the existing lines from Paddington to reading and Liverpool street to shenfield unfortunately
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 2 жыл бұрын
@@shawnli4746 That's less of a reason why not than it is part of the same decision not to. Probably a budget thing.
@chrisdenham9086
@chrisdenham9086 2 жыл бұрын
@@DavidBeddard it's more than that - double deck trains are less accessible and take longer to and load/unload. Running a high capacity train like a 700 will get more people, further faster.
@DavidBeddard
@DavidBeddard 2 жыл бұрын
@@chrisdenham9086 Ah, OK, that makes sense. Thanks 😊 👍
@gbtrainspotting2084
@gbtrainspotting2084 2 жыл бұрын
Abbey wood looks spacious ,modern
@HenrysAdventures
@HenrysAdventures 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to trackbashing on CrossRail in two weeks from today! :)
@timsully8958
@timsully8958 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff! My goodness, it’s almost upon us! 😎 Nice to see a gratuitous Woolwich Arsenal shot and a bit of the DLR which covers a fair part of our regularTFL jaunt from West Ham to Charlton when we go to home games 😜 It is astonishing just how much traffic this line would seem likely to relieve from other lines all along it’s route. Interesting too that of course the main beneficiaries are those travelling into London, and not so much people already in London travelling around it. Although specific journeys will be easier (as you illustrated) I think the main benefit will be that the kind of near crush you encountered at Tottenham Ct Rd will be eased considerably, not least because it will indirectly replicate the already rammed Central Line to a major degree. Another thing is the size of the trains mean those wanting to use Paddington, Heathrow, etc, will have more space for luggage, etc. 🤔 Always great to see your French correspondent (😂😅🤣) crop up on your videos. I though it interesting that the chap in the meeting said it wasn’t a tube line but more like the RER system in France, as though this use of through tunnels is a new thing. I immediately thought, “ah yes, you mean the idea the French took from the District Railway to run trains through from Ealing Broadway to Southend and the Metropolitan via the Widened lines…seems perhaps inspiration nearer home got overlooked sadly and it took the foresight of another country to replicate our earlier achievements to wake our bods up to it 🙄 Ah well, at least it got built. Annoyingly I can’t go to the opening day but I shall certainly ensure I take a trip soon, even though ironically, we’ll actually add to our journey to go out of our way to do so for now! 😂 Cheers mate, great fun as ever 👍🍀🍻
@We_London_Love_Uk
@We_London_Love_Uk 2 жыл бұрын
Another interesting video looking so forward to our new purple trains with all these new fancy stations I see there's another underground challenge coming on ?
@sampower1735
@sampower1735 2 жыл бұрын
You should have your own documentary mate..love the whole video style and production values!
@xander1052
@xander1052 2 жыл бұрын
even compared to a train currently from paddington to abbey wood, crossrail is 41 minutes quicker than the current quickest option
@TalesOfWar
@TalesOfWar 2 жыл бұрын
I imagine the link to Heathrow in to central London is going to be especially popular and will probably kill the express to Paddington. It'll take about as long but will be cheaper and far more frequent, not to mention easier to change to other lines.
@winterelf2010
@winterelf2010 2 жыл бұрын
Love the video.. wish this is a guided tour.. would had been fun to do it with a group.. 🤓
@sinistregoth
@sinistregoth 2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this for so long- have actually worked down the hole in Paddington when they were building it- checked how much time my most common journey will be cut.... arrive at Paddington on the Cotswold Line, get to Docklands via Canary Wharf- DLR..... Cutting out changing from Bakerloo to Jubilee.....and there appears to be no time saving at all when you factor in the increased walking time 😭 Still think it will be a better journey- cant wait to try! 😃👍
@andrewsmith2399
@andrewsmith2399 2 жыл бұрын
Good video thanks 😊
@NeilsCarsAviationTravel
@NeilsCarsAviationTravel 2 жыл бұрын
This is interesting as it’s the first time I’ve seen timings from Liverpool Street to Paddington. 11 mins is impressive as to get to LHR I normally have to either use Vic and Piccadilly line from Tottenham Hale (very slow) or circle line to Paddington which involves a lot of walking. I’ll be trying it out on 21st June so will be interesting what my door-to-door time is from LHR to home.
@ToolkiT73UK
@ToolkiT73UK 2 жыл бұрын
Great to see Tim on your channel again.. love the potential of the purple line.. but doubt anyone will take it from Reading.. you'll be faster to take the fast train to Paddington and chance to purple there.. but anyone between Reading and Paddington will benefit off course :)
@tomag2345
@tomag2345 2 жыл бұрын
8:22 Pretty sure walking Farringdon - Chancery Lane and then Central Line would be quicker than waiting for thameslink and then walking to St. paul’s. Geoff must really love his thameslink
@bos2pdx2yvr
@bos2pdx2yvr 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, I loved seeing Tim Traveller as your Parisian correspondent!
@arilebon
@arilebon 2 жыл бұрын
Loved seeing the plug for the magazine + in a bag.
@baystated
@baystated 2 жыл бұрын
AND TIM TRAVELER! OMG OMG OMG OMG. Its like an Avengers Transit Team!
@valerietorreggiani9973
@valerietorreggiani9973 2 жыл бұрын
PS the excitement of the travellers and staff was brilliant!
@ryanbrederveld
@ryanbrederveld 2 жыл бұрын
I like the new audio processing on your voice-over microphone Geoff!
@trav3ll3r
@trav3ll3r 2 жыл бұрын
We love a Tim cameo!!
@davidstone408
@davidstone408 2 жыл бұрын
Also from Reading to Bond Street - would get GWR service to Paddington and change - GWR non-stop will be 30 minutes faster than Purple Train, plus you get to use two Elizbeth line stations
@steventagawa6959
@steventagawa6959 2 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to returning to London in October, for the first time since August 2019, and taking a ride on the Purple Line.
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