George H. W. Bush And Ronald Reagan Debate On Immigration In 1980 | TIME

George H. W. Bush and Ronald Reagan answer a question from the audience about illegal immigration at a primary debate sponsored by the League of Woman voters and moderated by Howard K Smith in 1980.
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[@makingmoneywithmj7752]

These guys would be laughed out of a GOP primary nowadays.

[@damiangarcia9557]

ReAgAn SaId He wAnTs OpEn BoRdErS

[@fucker661]

The guys they worship would be considered socialist liberals

[@olmostgudinaf8100]

Had anyone told me in 1980 that in 40 years' time Reagan would be considered a "socialist liberal", I would have thought they were crazy.

[@Rowanbossart]

@@fucker661 yeah buddy that is way off

[@broadstreet21]

@@olmostgudinaf8100 Except that they opposed abortion, gay marriage, big government, and high taxes. That, in any, era would make them hard right wingers.

[@mojammer]

What a depressing video. 1980, back when things were still fixable.

[@4real483]

These are Republicans, but Republicans today blame Democrats for the problem.

[@tinttiakka2028]

@@4real483 they are the problem idiot

[@JH-dm6gk]

This is why we are in the situation that we are in today. Republican politicians going against their base in favor of the donor class's interests. Eisenhower was the last Republican to actually get it right on immigration (before Trump)

[@skip031890]

@@4real483 Republicans and Democrats have been the problem. Stop buying into this stupid partisan game. Both parties are playing you for a fool.

[@Marko-gc4qm]

TRUMP is fixing things keep saying he doesnt commie😉

[@poole4684]

Never thought I'd say this, but Bush and Reagan have solid points.

[@oldworldblu3s305]

Yeah it’s crazy when you actually listen to them talk and don’t go by hearsay. That’s the problem in this country if we listen too all sides and look at their actions we’d find the strong and able leaders .

[@chagis100]

Really any point a coherent human makes is solid compared to the debates we got this year

[@poole4684]

@@chagis100 Agreed lol, these candidates were no where near the best either side has to offer. Very bug disappointments for all of us

[@cubedpotatoeshd2479]

Both of them are awful what do you mean They may speak proper but past the silver tongues i can make out clear contempt for the american people.

[@collins1860]

@@cubedpotatoeshd2479 you mean Obama?

[@toastedwheatbread9966]

Ronnie "open the border both ways" Reagan

[@joem3082]

Ironic that trump would steal his slogan... pitiful that people would eat it up. Funny how he pretended that he liked reagan as a president but agreed on nothing with him besides cutting taxes to the wealthiest.

[@donald_the_savage1234]

Putaque Pariu you mean cutting taxes for everyone. He agreed with Reagan on a lot . He just didn’t want open borders. Which is good

[@joem3082]

No i meant what i said

[@rstrid5505]

The Trump tax cut is a ruse. He threw us working folks a bone while he gave out steaks to the rich. Not only that, but they are taking our bones back in a few years when our breaks expire, meanwhile the cuts for the elites do not have an expiration date written in. Congrats on being a blind puppet earlybird.

[@donald_the_savage1234]

R Strid the cuts for the middle class aren’t meant to just help you out . Spend it and help drive the economy. The biggest cuts are the corporate ones . It has already resulted in 2 million people getting a bonus. Stop saying the cuts will expire. It was the same with the bush cuts. All congress has to do to avoid that is to extend the cuts. Many in the middle class stand to get a good amount of money especially if they have kids.

[@colbymctaggart2414]

Totally didn’t expect that. No democrat or republican would say that today although it’s the only logical thing to say.

[@jackson5116]

also little to no political correctness then

[@alberteinstein3325]

Honestly no one expects them to say this because the media has always portrayed the republicans as racist xenophobes. Many republicans feel the exact same way. This is why we need more open dialogue between the parties both with the politicians and on social media with citizens. It used to be we could communicate and come to a bipartisan agreement about what is fair for our country. Not anymore, both sides just want to be right and are willing to continue destroying OUR country to prove it.

[@neonichols2036]

@@alberteinstein3325 That's true, however the current narrative in Washington is one of xenophobia & corruption. It is unfortunate that republicans are being painted with blanket statements, but the vast majority of GOP senators and representatives are simply standing in as puppets for this presidential regime-too scared to disagree with Mr. Trump, or perhaps attempting to further appeal to HIS base of support (which happens to be uneducated, rural whites where attitudes of xenophobia tend to be more prevalent) (not the majority of republicans). I think the party is overdue for a re-branding/restructuring of itself.

[@sloopfan3706]

well tbth the situation on the southern border has changed a lot in 40 years

[@coby4480]

Albert Einstein Republicans are responsible for a lack of bipartisanship. Clinton tried to be cooperative but the Post-Bush Republicans showed they were incapable of compromise unless Clinton went full conservative on some issues.

[@PaperbackWizard]

40 years later, we're still arguing about this.

[@alexgramm5170]

Correct it's way overdue the border should have been secured a long time ago.

[@viciousoz4188]

@@alexgramm5170 It’s as secured as it’s ever going to be

[@alexgramm5170]

@@viciousoz4188 Can you expand on that for me.

[@alexgramm5170]

@@viciousoz4188 Do you mean you agree with the securing of it that Mr. Trump is working on or that it will halt.. or that it will never be completely secure.

[@viciousoz4188]

@@alexgramm5170 I meant that it’s secure enough. It’s a well known fact that most illegal immigrants don’t actually hop the border to get to the US. They come legally and just overstay their visas. Fortifying the border won’t actually do much, and it’ll be a waste of money

[@dominicc2941]

the Bush family been throwing the 'mexican in my family' card since the 80's lol

[@RogueReplicant]

At least it's 100% true, unlike Killary's hot sauce, AOC's embarrassing fake Black accent or Quid Pro Joe's "y'all ain't Black!".

[@seanstults1271]

@@RogueReplicant Liberals live in your head rent free lol

[@josevaca8052]

Im pretty sure part of there family is Mexican

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

Yeah Jeb Bush is married to Columba Garnica Gallo, a Latina woman.

[@RogueReplicant]

@@josevaca8052 Ikr, which is why I don't get the "card-throwing" accusation. He didn't bring up the Mexican relative when discussing spending cuts or campaign reform, he mentioned it when it was relevant to the topic at hand, ffs

[@seane2179]

“Rather than making them put up a fence” *donald trump has left the chat

[@user-mv2dg8oo2z]

Idiot🤨. Fence, Barrier, Wall, Security Wall, ...... Anything Than Can Keep ILLEGALS OUT. There’s a Process That’s Called Asylum, that people in their Own Country Can Do. Also The EU Send Us Thousands/Millions of Refugees. Who’s Paying for them? Liberals Open Borders Don’t Think. A Country is Like Our House. Would These Liberals Let Strangers Walk Free in their Houses and Stay There PLUS They Giving Them Everything. Come On - Common Sense. What’s Happened, even Years Ago- Somebody Says Something Real- There They are Ready to Call names. If US Borders Were Open - Literary Thousands of People Would Come-If at the End Democrats Do that. I’ll suggest “ALL LIBERALS DEMOCRATS SHOULD PICK UP THEIR BILLS” and GET 1 FAMILY LIVING WUTH THEM. Problem Solved.🤨

[@yourusualtoaster8861]

5 presidents and 40 years later and not a damn thing changed and they still keep talking this same thing? Seems they talk a lot of crap and really don't have a clue.

[@jide2946]

They come on legally, get work permits pay taxes. How can they come in legally when they can just walk through easily? You need a wall. Then they come in through customs legally. No big deal . No need to skirt around the problem- face it and actually solve it.

[@alexgramm5170]

@@jide2946 Sounds right to me. I agree.. you can't come here illegally end of story. You can't walk on the property here ,where I live, illegally . Of course, it's a can of worms but I see along with others a larger reason. A worldwide reason for Nations Without Borders but that's another story.....

[@martylou9530]

It’s funny they say that since The Obama And Biden Administration Built the Cages For Mexicans in 2014 🤡

[@MrUkielover]

2020: So this is what a actual debate should sound like

[@daisangen2559]

debate in 2020 is full of interruption

[@rykerhayward8606]

I’m speaking

[@lowendpotato3021]

"Will you shut up, man ?"

[@Lone432345]

When people compare Trump to Reagan. There really just insulting Reagan.

[@samlawson6931]

Lone Star they’re

[@rickded2860]

@@DMalenfant1 You are a fucking moron

[@DMalenfant1]

@@rickded2860 What did you say? Oh what you said doesn't matter.

[@MajorMlgNoob]

Idk both passed dumbass tax cuts

[@hijack69]

@@MajorMlgNoob which created tons of jobs

[@T33K3SS3LCH3N]

Republicans today: "Modern Republicans would have been considered Democrats 40 years ago!" Republicans 40 years ago:

[@jimmynutrin9815]

No one says that, they say 20-30 years ago which is definitely true. Many modern republicans are essentially indistinguishable from 90s democrats. Also a single clip of a debate is not evidence of what policy actually was. Nor would any sensible person defend Bush Sr as some beacon of morality.

[@jamrodgers121]

Now watch a Bill Clinton speech when talking democrats.

[@StanSwan]

Democrats were racists 40 years ago.

[@FunWithGunsAndGames]

"Many modern republicans are essentially indistinguishable from 90s democrats." I don't remember 90's Democrats having utter contempt for the law whenever it came after a another Democrat. I don't remember Democrats running on Anti LGBTQ rhetoric, and actively discouraging reading books and processing real historical events. I also sure as hell don't remember Democrats trying to dismantle the social safety net. But sure they're the same as 90's Democrats somehow.

[@StanSwan]

@@FunWithGunsAndGames You have a short memory. Obama ran against same sex marriage in 2008 and no one in the Democrat party cared about Bill Clinton's sexual harassment of Paula Jones. When people brought it up "It's the economy stupid" was the talking point. The fact the economy is good or bad should not change the morals of defending women's rights.

[@tahquameken]

Two level headed individuals with reasonable solutions to a problem. Those were the good old days.

[@mikefallopian3191]

''Reasonable solution''....capitulation to foreign vagrants.

[@Michael-mh2tw]

Always so many of these comments on these kinds of clips. No, the debates weren't any different, and you've likely never actually watched one. People disliked each other and disagreed on things in the past as they do today. Stop pretending to be so concerned about 'polarisation' and decency in debates when you so clearly are cherry picking

[@tonyenglish5153]

Amen

[@VeinyAngloid]

@@mikefallopian3191 What do you expect from a mask pfp xD

[@LEXICON-DEVIL]

Yeah i miss whites n blacks water fountains.

[@marrz8244]

where is this today!

[@jonesnj07]

there wasn't 11 million illegal immigrants back than putting huge strain on all public services.

[@savageguy134]

false! its 11.4 million. Also, the 90s saw the biggest rise in immigrants.

[@savageguy134]

www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/03/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/ A study from three years ago states that it was 11.1 in 2014. Not that current but also not that old. Also, I meant unauthorized immigrants when I meant immigrants. The legal immigrant population is higher.

[@joem3082]

"The report of eleven million illegal aliens was from 5 years ago,with a more recent one showing over 16 million." The number of illegals coming has been decreasing since around 2008 and has been even negative in some years, wtf are you talking about. The last numbers from 2016 put them at around 11.3M nowhere close to 16. The vast majority of the illegals aren't newcomers either, in 2014 66% of them had been in the US for 10 years or more, and with recent illegal immigration trends that number can only have grown larger.

[@theglobalist6069]

There was a little 400,000 illegal immigrants in 1980... We now have 12.5 million. Idiots like you are what drove people like me to vote for an asshole like Trump.

[@Yankees27u]

What has happened to the Republican Party!

[@JuanAlvarez-zo9rg]

What happened to the bill clinton democratic party

[@danielhaslam5179]

Very good things, that’s what.

[@theantking001]

Fox News completely dumbed them down and made them paranoid.

[@rstrid5505]

The puppet master used fear to control them and then white supremacists took back control.

[@chemykl]

Reality caught up to their bullshit.

[@sidm0824]

80s and 90s: GOP supports open borders Dems oppose it. Today: Dems support open borders GOP opposes it Me: KOWALSKI, ANALYSIS! ok guys this comment was a long time ago first of all the “Kowalski, Analysis” is a ded meme and when i said open borders i don’t actually mean “open borders” that was just the conventional term being tossed around by right wing media at the time. i meant to say something between the lines of adding a border wall/fence and amnesty for immigrants. sorry if you guys were confused in what i was saying. but the point still stands, there was a party switch on immigration once Trump took office.

[@napoleonbonaparte7686]

Dems Don't Support Open Border, They Just Nominated Joe Fucking Biden Who Deported Way More than Trump, Only left wing are in support of that, and They Have Been Beaten in primary

[@christiancrocetti9940]

Napoléon Bonaparte Other than the fact Biden is moving far to the left now. He’s not the same ideologically as he was in the senate or even as the VP.

[@hephaestus9901]

@@christiancrocetti9940 hahahahahahaha

[@christopherjones9536]

The first two replies tell me EVERYTHING I need to know about American intelligence.

[@cartersachs3992]

I am a republican and I support legal Americans going down there and legal Mexicans coming up here, but I don’t want Mexico’s worst in my country and I don’t want my countries worst to be someone else’s burden

[@davefinders8106]

If foreigners can earn a wage, pay taxes and be law abiding citizens, than let them stay.

[@sociallymatti]

Dave Finders I would agree as long as there aren't Millions of Americans who are unnecessarily Unemployed. (There are some who choose unemployment and some who don't. I'm Speaking of the latter.) Those Americans should at least be given a chance to be employed before anyone else. (There are Corporations who have a tendency to take advantage of Mexicans by hiring them automatically - before even giving any American a chance - since Mexicans may not expect the same lofty wage as Americans would..) If said Americans - for some reason - don't take the chance that was presented to them then that's likely their issue and they shouldn't really bitch if someone else gets the job.

[@bossbaby5936]

If they don’t respect our borders they’re already breaking the law.

[@obligatoryusername7239]

Dave Finders No, don't. They aren't citizens. If they want to stay, let them apply for legal migration. If you want to whine about how strenous the process for that is, then push for reform instead of surrendering our borders.

[@kyled1673]

Dave Finders If they're "law-abiding" they wouldn't have came here illegally to begin with, so you just contradicted yourself.

[@davefinders8106]

Leave them alone .

[@enrichingexchanges]

Dignity, decency, magnanimity, and heart combined with sound reasoning. One may debate the merits of the positions, but one has to agree that Presidents Reagan and Bush were genuinely interested in solving problems, and decent at their very core.

[@thoteater1756]

Trump does not have that diplomacy nowadays

[@Salvo11]

In terms of character, I agree. But in terms of policy, Reaganomics and trickle down, combined with the busting of unions and the slow, but sure destruction of the average American's socio-economic safety net and the decline of American Capitalism from the boom period in the mid 20th century happened starting from Reagan and his policies. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy and own some of his movies and such, but his presidential policies started the decline of American society and the Republican party.

[@LosFace24]

@@Salvo11 Reagan did what the oligarchs told him to do to make this an oligarch haven and cripple the rest of us. The big beast is in foreign policy as we kepted on invading other countries and in Latin America use CIA coups to remove their leaders. And as always till present day the leaders are Pro Zionists.

[@zachthatguy83]

Had to come watch this after tonights debate.. ooof

[@williamkrause5831]

@@Salvo11 Yeah yeah capitalism man bad socialism is the one true way we get it commie. Now can you leave us red blooded americans in peace from your nagging?

[@ryanklinger8562]

I find it funny that Reagan’s answer would’ve been what a modern Democrat will say

[@julesmcgrules3860]

It just shows that even Reagan, for all of his faults and blunders, was still a decent and reasonable human being.

[@dutch4260]

@@julesmcgrules3860 I disagree with Reagan on a lot of things but I think he really did what he thought was best for the American people.

[@vainalba430]

Nope. Modern democrats like Obama simply deported them by the millions. Both parties do.

[@Bjorick]

no, regan said 'let them in, let them work, let them pay taxes' modern dems: 'let them in, give them welfare, give them free medicine, and give them the right to vote regardless of if they understand or love/care about this country' but yeah, dems are honestly good at twisting things into the way they want it to be regardless of what reality says, it's really something ya'll need to work on

[@julesmcgrules3860]

@@Bjorick nice projection

[@softwaremediaguru]

Back in the old days when debates are civil. and reporters are asking questions in a decent manner.

[@firgasz2920]

that was before cnn was founded in june 1980^^ LOL

[@tommytomtom5531]

@Savage Canadian96 and fox news is owned by an Arab and an Australian...... they managed to train people how to hate their country while getting fabulously rich at the same time.....

[@bobshenix]

Debates could be civil because in 1980 the general public still believed in the system that was already in the process of failing them. There wasn't the sense that our future had been squandered away by flippant and crooked liars in leadership roles... there was genuine optimism for the future. Everything we are seeing now are just the early returns, things will get much worse before they get better.

[@jacobite2353]

Language is nasty imo, I know thats just how they talked back then and I dont hold it agaisnt them but I wouldn't call this civil for that reason

[@dvferyance]

Of course there was no Trump back then.

[@Windiddy]

When GOP used to be led by moderates

[@phoenixwing50]

Keith Win Reagan was not a moderate

[@ac1dP1nk]

phoenixwing50 i think we can be simplistic and say he was a fairly honest fool that empowered a lot of bad people and harmful ideas

[@zargmatt]

ac1dP1nk history of the world bro

[@dvferyance]

Since when were McCain and Romney radical far right wingers? There are still plenty of moderates in the Republican party. It's the Democrats were the moderates are dissapearing.

[@Awakeningspirit20]

They may have APPEARED to be moderate, but let's not forget the trickle-down fantasies that dominated their ranks after those 'moderates' took over.

[@TEMUistheworst]

RIP Ronald and George.

[@sweetjrewing5435]

George had jfk murdered

[@Don-br5yl]

@@sweetjrewing5435 how?

[@Don-br5yl]

@@Scaryhusky chill

[@bobshenix]

@@Scaryhusky It's not exactly "baseless". Bush was in fact the head of the CIA and JFK openly stated his desire to rein in the CIA and make the intelligence agencies more accountable to the public. You could say that was a mistake for JFK to openly state his intentions but then again it took a lot of bravery to try doing the right thing.

[@ArtHistoryScholar]

Wow, this is the most impassioned & inspiring public speaking I've ever seen from Bush Sr.

[@alterego8496]

He is great speaker, similar to Reagen. Same was true for his son despite him messing up his words due to his dyslexia. The two Bushs and Reagen all had few things in common: Humor and speaking with understanding of other people.. Specially when they talked about immigrants, religious minorities, etc . Bush Jr. often refrenced the idea of compassion and love in his speeches. They kind of sound preacher type but in a good way XD

[@nad1ax2]

H.W. Bush was a good and highly honorable man

[@chrisshields5448]

When candidates were classy and not ruthless children throwing temper tantrums

[@jeremiahbell8682]

Back when people was being brainwashed…

[@jeremiahbell8682]

At least in my generation we aware half these people phony and half of everything else is propaganda

[@vcdep991]

Ronald Reagan actually did something about this signing the 1986 Amnesty act that made many of us permanent residents and eventually citizens who contribute to the social and economic makeup of our country today. He truly was a great man and I’m a proud member of his Presidential Library where my children and I can visit anytime we like.

[@emotionscomeandgo]

Yeah and his stupid act created 3M instant Democrat voters... And caused 12-24M of those cockroaches to come across the border. Reagan was pro cheap labor for corporations.

[@thehorseshoereport8445]

@@emotionscomeandgo wow, cockroaches... that is the language of genociders... Why would they vote Democrat? Mexicans are overwhelmingly conservative dude. At least try to hide your racism.

[@thestartupguy3975]

doing a history project on the 80s. this comment is coming in clutch 💪🏻

[@RDKirbyN]

Too bad he was ontologically evil in every other aspect, and set this country down the course downwards it's barreling down today

[@vcdep991]

@@RDKirbyN wait so the state of the country is Ronald Reagan’s fault? Wtf? I thought it was Donald trumps fault!

[@user-mt9ri4kd5g]

Thank you so much @ TIME channel for preserving this priceless video. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸❤

[@joem3082]

Speaking in coherent well structured sentences, humanizing people (regardless of whether they are "illegals" or not) and not shitting on the opponent for cheap laughs and crowd rousing. What happened to the GOP? Oh right - radicalization, that's what happened.

[@sallynicholls5502]

Putaque Pariu I know. Insane, isn't it?

[@Dear_Mr._Isaiah_Deringer]

As the young man in the beginning had teasered. Systematic defunding of public education is what happened. Saving money to allow for reducing taxes and growing the economy. Going through an ever increasing cycle of -saving- reducing taxes and redistributing the remaining tax burden following a dividende for the political investment.

[@tylerrichardson8209]

The GOP has not become radicalized. If anything, it is the left that had become radicalized. Most Republicans today actually support legalization of marijuana and gay marriage. It's the so called "tolerant left" that has become radicalized so far. The left will be heading to Bernie Sanders land in the presidential 2020 election.

[@twangbarfly]

"Putaque pariu" :-) great moniker!

[@marcusarelius]

The corruption of the DNC. The Liberal mindset of I want everything for free without working for it. The Clintons.

[@stevenrogerman2110]

If this was the Republican Party today… I probably wouldn’t be a democrat 😬

[@michaelwu8153]

America was at its peak in the 80s and 90s.

[@jmmacb03]

I am 59 and could you explain by what metric you think that the US was at its peak in the 80's and 90's?? I assume you mean that for 20 yrs the US was the best-at what?? Military spending? (P.S.-Posting links always lends credibility.)

[@michaelwu8153]

jmmacb03 GDP relative to the world. Or GDP per capita.

[@jmmacb03]

US GDP is still the highest (2016), still ahead of China. I was just wondering if you thought about the amount of the national debit-not deficit, employment, purchasing power, life expectancy, literacy...hmmm...health care?

[@crimsonking8942]

Michael Wu *Bullshit.* America was at its peak after WW2, all the way to the 70's.

[@SHAOLINSLUMSS]

Michael Wu yes. Cocaine importing peak lol

[@brandondavidson4085]

This is the kind of ethos and credibility that causes all the "old Republicans" to stick with their party, because they are blind to what the Republican party is now.

[@jimmynutrin9815]

Yea listen to the neocon war criminal! Hes the good guy everyone!

[@brandondavidson4085]

@@jimmynutrin9815 Again, I'm not saying the GOP is good, or has been in decades. But modern Republicans still think their party is the party of Lincoln and conservative policies tempered with compassion. But it hasn't been like that since Nixon.

[@GiuseppeLocatelli]

We need a wall

[@TheMadVooDooKing]

We have a wall ... the problem hasn't stopped though.

[@TheMadVooDooKing]

@Joseph MALLOUHI well as you can see from this video the conservative Reagan advocated for open boarders.

[@radwizard]

We would be mindful and very wise to move our manufacturing out of China, and into Latin America. It would solve the immigration issues, strengthen the Economy for our Brothers down South, and place The USA into a position of increased influence and strength in the region. It should be a top priority to maintain peace and stability in The Western Hemisphere. This is the solution to several of our issues in America.

[@mazatano]

I agree, that would make a huge difference.

[@UmarTahir]

radwizard Interesting idea, this is a very smart solution. I think this would be great in the long term, but unfortunately I don't think corporations wouldn't be open to the idea because it wouldn't yield immediate profit, even though it would help alleviate issues that are facing the U.S. economy

[@radwizard]

Thank you for your kind and thought full comment. I agree with what you are saying. The odds are staggering. The way it works in China is that the Chinese Government builds factories and subsidize the initial start of the factory and then later issue high taxes on the owner of the factory. Unfortunately, I do not believe any of these methods are in place in Latin America. Meaning that the cost to even start this process would need investment into infrastructure and a political will of the people to establish policies to facilitate construction. Who knows what will happen know with the upcoming trade wars.

[@UmarTahir]

radwizard Wow, so that's how China incentivizes their manufacturing industry! Along with their massive population, that has really consolidated their economic status for the time-being. But you're right about the trade wars. We're already starting to see the ramifications (the steel-aluminum tariffs) and the fundamental changes in our foreign policy. But I do hope that our leaders start to see the benefits of investing more in the Latin American economies. Thank you for the info! It's really helpful for understanding world politics, a field that I've always been interested in but am just starting to learn more deeply about!

[@UmarTahir]

Quinn Bailey True. Although, even if those Latin American countries' economies aren't that strong, the governments could still subsidize their manufacturing industries, right? Similar to how China manages their economy. Especially if their trade with the U S. is contingent on those local manufacturers, the governments might choose to still improve that area specifically but ignore everything else

[@mrk_g6499]

Ah, a refined debate for a more civilised age

[@crfx8408]

I watch this at least once a day to remind myself the Republican Party wasn’t as low class and unprofessional as it is today. Now with HW’s passing, this video brings me to the verge of tears. I can imagine these two brilliant men debating so professionally in the clouds now and enjoying each other’s company. RIP George HW Bush, one of the few last decent Republicans left.

[@JML6988]

Newsflash: your Dems have radicalized as well!

[@marklo6283]

@@JML6988 ur pathetic

[@rhythmjones]

@@JML6988 Yes, but leftist radicalization is beneficial for humanity. Right-wing radicalization is violently abhorrent.

[@rhythmjones]

@@phoenixbuschannel WRONG!!!

[@commanderofkesariyaknights]

CRF X u r so stupid, they both were as corrupt and warmonger as others

[@JoeMacStevens]

They sound like Democrats.

[@gohan7104]

lol. thats what has become of todays politics. so polarized that republicans forgot where they really stood. gop is a shell of its old self. shame.

[@someedgyaccount3589]

@@gohan7104 or people change views? Democrats supported crime bills that were extremely racist and they were anti gay marriage now they’re the supposed champions of LGBT and minorities

[@Test-sd2qp]

@@someedgyaccount3589 nah

[@MV-qw2dw]

@@someedgyaccount3589 this never happened However this was seen in conservative Republicans from 1950 to 2000s That grouo evolved to Trumpism and groups such as Proud Boys

[@someedgyaccount3589]

@@MV-qw2dw so joe Biden was a republican when he made the 94 crime bill? And president Clinton was the republican that ran with tougher crime laws as a campaign promise? Get real. Joe Biden and Obama not to mention Hillary were all anti gay marriage in the early to late 2000’s

[@hunterwilliams1512]

I am crying! I wish the Republicans could still agree this way! I am tearing up! So sad that we can't get along!

[@aperson22222]

The next time someone wonders why I left the GOP, I’m showing them this.

[@1legomaster]

aperson22222 Bye, don’t let the door hit you on the way out!

[@cajeb5396]

@@1legomaster Change your pic. Dont wrap yourself in the flag while you wipe your ass with the Constitution

[@elpeopuru3003]

@@Michael45007 Why would anyone want to be a "Republican"? Ironic you attack Trump supporters for not being true Republicans then accuse us of putting party over country. Lol. No more was for Israel!

[@carlric]

@@1legomaster Well said.

[@joeh5515]

Illegals here are a huge financial burden to actual taxpayers. We pay for their schooling, welfare (obamacare), healthcare, not to mention they drive up our premiums and suppress wages in this country. They need to go. Let's all stop pretending like illegals give a shit about the US. They're here to get what they can.

[@Thunderlion-yd4nv]

The current GOP would have treated these 2 the same way they treated Liz Cheney.

[@mimperial1982]

Wow, what happened to these type of Republicans? Now we have the Trumpublicans.

[@jshepard152]

Marcos Imperial Yeah, what happened to the Democrats of that era?

[@jackson5116]

what about the Hillarats?

[@tommytomtom5531]

@@jackson5116 hannity brainwashed you all on orders from putin..... he destroyed america without firing a shot.....

[@Murky_MurkiMurka]

I'm just guessing that the "trade deals" squashed any low income labor in our country. Why bring them when we can go to them and have less regulations

[@Mike-vh5vy]

The left is still all over bashing Reagan though. We are in a lot of cases doing what he said. Today's GOP isn't against what President Reagan is saying here. You are missing what we are opposed to. It's not Hannity's fault either as someone ridiculously stated. Our problem is that the people Reagan is talking about helping and the people we speak against are NOT the same people. We are against people coming in illegally - period. Stop adding BS to it. If someone wants to get a work visa and work here legally like Reagan said they still can. The problem is people just come over here, we have no idea who they are, or what they are up to disobeying our immigration laws and this cannot be allowed in a nation of laws. That said, American employers need their ass handed to them as well for illegally hiring illegal aliens. Stop drinking the propaganda Kool Aid.

[@aperobust]

I wish somebody like them will stand up again 😔 We are not criminals 🙏

[@moakash7383]

Joe Biden and Kamala Harris

[@moakash7383]

@@sasmitvaidya3594 no we are not the problem.

[@Dollface98]

@@moakash7383 the Obama/Biden Administration deportes more people than any other president.

[@aperobust]

@@Dollface98 they was illegal. we are legal

[@andrewjones3295]

Dude, you are not the problem nor a burden. " Our destination is more important than our origins"- Ronald Reagan

[@corhaynes2383]

The republican party back in the day was so moral. Even Ronnie said it best

[@Ranstone]

Back then, they weren't vilified for not being controlled by their emotions. American politics died when people started calling the messenger "Bad" for telling them bad news. EG: "You said gun control doesn't work, so clearly you don't care about our children's lives!"

[@tolula9927]

The Republican party still has some morals and principles, it's the Democrats that have gone batshit insane.

[@fadli_1577]

@@tolula9927 both are shit, should make a third party

[@ericvicaria8648]

*Looks at Republican record of literally laughing at people dying of AIDS because they believe it's punishment from god* *Looks at Iran-Contra* *Looks directly into camera.*

[@soupman3285]

@@tolula9927 Those damn evil democrats proposing unmoral concepts like: Gay marriage Universal Healthcare Expansion of the social safety net Evil Policies!!!!

[@phil20_20]

Sounds like they're both right. Whatever happened to the Republican Party?

[@tonyjohansson7567]

Such great political leaders! It's a shame that their party so drastically went away from their policies.

[@fmr7940]

Say whatever you want about these men. They were wrong about some things, but the mere fact that they choose these words instead of a hateful speech against the people of a neighbouring country speak volumes about their values.

[@jaimerodriguez1550]

Rest in Peace 41

[@Ray-td5lo]

So weird to see the old Republican Party having such charismatic leaders. I wonder where it went down

[@SpeedyWings2323]

Bush my guess would be since his approval ratings were at an all time low

[@thebowtieshow6994]

I am 100% is when George bush sr lost re-election. Since then republicans has been going more radicals

[@joseluischunda9844]

@@thebowtieshow6994 More than Bush Sr loosing reelection, I believe it was Newt Gingricht leading the Republicans in the house. He introduced guerrilla politics to them

[@kyleg8098]

@@thebowtieshow6994 what does radical mean in your context?

[@AdolfHitler420]

Newt Gingrich

[@MidNightStudiosFilms]

Reagan the gentleman. Miss him

[@lStranger]

I'm a moderate, however if I was alive in these times, I very well might have been republican.

[@patricktsai2303]

I would've. This was 1980. The GOP was going against Carter. Carter's a good man but he's a total disaster as President. Reagan definitely deserved that landslide.

[@taj____]

Ikr

[@franciscomiranda6882]

Life is easier with friends. And less expensive, too.

[@RezaRob3]

Wow, not the sort of thing you see often these days! Is this what Republican used to be?!

[@edrs3373]

They always been like this, I know there's some bad apples in the Republicans party but most of them are good people. The thing is that the Democrats make them seem they racist and are white supremacists since they controlled all the media. If you take a look who are the real racist you'll be shocked.

[@RezaRob3]

@@edrs3373 well, I can't make general comments about Trump here, but even in his case, the deals that he and Jared Kushner got signed between Israel, UAE, and Bahrain, are historic. I don't think anything like that has happened since the Egypt Israel peace treaty which happened under Carter. I don't really know what's going to happen under Biden.

[@RezaRob3]

But I should point out that politicians sometimes do things behind the scenes! Also, we do have President Obama's nuclear deal with Iran, but since that didn't involve Israel, it didn't exactly contribute to peacefulness in the region, at least officially speaking.

[@ducati4prez]

Trump has ended the squishy republican era

[@RezaRob3]

@@jithinMumbai well, it sounds like president Obama supported some kind of fence and considered it already done. He expected something in return from Republicans in return. Do you have any other references to back up what you're saying? See here: grist.org/article/2011-05-11-in-texas-audience-boos-obama-mention-of-border-wall/ .

[@JhuntdaProdigy]

Wow, I’m honestly surprised to see two of the most notoriously conservative presidents in modern history speak on immigrants in such a humane and compassionate way. The deterioration of the GOP is extreme.

[@michaeljensen2013]

thirty eight years ago and our congress keeps kicking the immigration issue down the road. Guess nobody has the balls to craft and present a fair policy.

[@davidl4147]

Obama had something to get the ball rolling but that story went away quickly, I hardly remember the details.

[@tommytomtom5531]

@@davidl4147 hannity didn't like it so it got kicked aside

[@robertfishman3742]

And 40 years later, we still have the same exact issue, plus interest.

[@RyanSmith-wo2pi]

...

[@Pepelepu_TjMex]

Did Reagan just say open borders?

[@yeseniaagustin]

We need people like them! They were caring and educated!

[@rseepersaud]

What on earth has happened to the republican party? Look how decent they used to be

[@emotionscomeandgo]

Ravi S they are still decent. Trump proposed citizenship to 1.8M illegals... obama never did that

[@retiredshitposter1062]

pfft you're just an over-emotional manchild. that's a policy from the dubya era. also they have to make sure kids aren't being trafficked into sexual slavery in the us (which happens all the time fyi). they do dna tests now and find lots of smugglers aren't really the parents. wtf do you do with the kid then.. it's complicated. they arent in cages anymore those pictures were under obama era so stop crying bitch.

[@mimperial1982]

Snow 123 FAKE PRESIDENT AND TRAITOR AND HE'S PUTIN'S BITCH!

[@bossbaby5936]

emotionscomeandgo Obama used an unconstitutional executive order to give all illegal immigrants amnesty.

[@tastycookiechip]

JD Chase that was Obama friend. Also if you're illegal then you deserve everything bad that happens to you if you come here illegally. If you want to immigrate then do it legally. If that's not good enough then though luck, the law is the law.

[@tonemerc2]

Wow, how things have changed. These men did not vilify Latinos.

[@eduzz4655]

Because there were other demographics then.

[@penoiseballs563]

There's too many of them now.

[@CelticLegend87]

Because Hispanics we're a reasonable percentage of the population back then. They hadn't flooded into the country in the numbers we see today.

[@markhenley3097]

Well Trump won the Hispanic vote in Florida and now Democrats are claiming Cubans are no longer Hispanic.

[@craigmartyn1279]

Two great statesmen expressing how the Republican party was, should be, and can be again.

[@MackNcD]

Now it’s more like The Burger King party.

[@DeepStateCrackhead-jx3jn]

Not with today's maga January 6th extremists

[@christosphotiou3896]

I wish politicians debated like this today

[@Fayen13]

Wild to hear actual answers at a debate. It’s only gotten worse.

[@EnragedSephiroth]

"Or talking about putting up a fence."

[@pliuworld]

Time was different. Reagan was concerned poverty in Mexico would lead to Communism and created another Cuba at the southern border. So open border became logical to solve US labor need at the same time.

[@stevenr3169]

from this to Trumpism, really sad.

[@sportsbeast740-gaming4]

Yep

[@herf4010]

This reminds me just how far the GOP has fallen.

[@pubggamer2022]

Back when debates wasn’t a comedy show

[@mrotter7908]

Like trumpet and Biden

[@Giovanni-vt2xc]

What’s funny is that people try and take positions of 40 years ago and apply them to the world of 2020. Next let’s adapt FDR’s policies on Germany

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

This is back when republicans had brains

[@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis]

And policy

[@trato-jm3fx]

@@BruhWhyDidTheyChangeThis Of course it's the Communist that supports the demographic replacement of Americans lmao

[@gmpick9793]

Well now we know when the problem started

[@RyanSmith-wo2pi]

...

[@LexiH214]

George H.W. Bush: “ I’d like to see something done about the illegal alien problem that would be so sensitive and so understanding about labor needs, and human needs, that that problem wouldn’t come up. But, today of those people are here, I would reluctantly say I think they would get whatever it is that their society is giving to their neighbors. But the problem has to be solved because as we have kind of made illegal, some kinds of labor that i’d like to see legal, were doing two things. Were creating a whole society of really honorable, decent family loving people that are in violation of the law and secondly were exacerbating relations with Mexico. I don’t want to see a whole thing of six and eight year old kids being made, one totally uneducated and made to feel like they're living outside the law. Let’s address ourselves to the fundamentals. These are good people, strong people, part of my family as a Mexican.” Ronald Reagan: I think the time has come that the United States and our neighbors, particularly our neighbor to the south, should have a better understanding and a better relationship than we have ever had. I think, we haven’t been sensitive enough to our size and our power. They have a problem of 40-50% unemployment. Now, this cannot continue without the possibility arising, with regard to that other country that we talked about, if Cuba and what it is stirring up, of the possibility of trouble below the border, we could have a very hostile and strange neighbor on our border. Rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don't we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit, and then while they're working and earning here, they pay taxes here. And when they go on and go back, they can go back, and they can cross, and open the border both ways by understanding their problems. This is the only safety valve right now they have with that unemployment that probably keeps the lid from blowing off down there. I think we could have a fine relationship and it would solve the problem you mentioned also.

[@LexiH214]

If anyone needed the transcript.

[@rhythmjones]

"Open the border both ways." - Ronald Reagan. NEVER FORGET!!!!

[@skip031890]

Oh, I will never forget. Trust me.

[@sharonc1375]

Tell that to Majorie taylor green

[@colewarren1358]

Rest In Peaces Ronald Reagan (1911-2004) George H.W. Bush (1924-2018)

[@mogabriel5238]

True patriots

[@thoroughbred-hp4ms]

@@mogabriel5238 TRUE SHITHEADS

[@ginch8300]

@@AbuHeji I believe the plural for peaces is penis. Rest if penis R.R. and George H.W. Bush.

[@mismakabel3342]

They were the worst American presidents.

[@Scottsdaleofficesteve]

Somehow two conservative political leaders in 1980 had a more progressive stance on immigration than the conservative leader from 2016-2020

[@lastpme]

It is amazing how much has changed....

[@Axelerated]

To the people asking "What happened to the Republican Party?" It's very clear that they were trying to keep Mexico as a capitalist state. They did not want them to sway communist like Nicaragua and Cuba . These were very different times indeed.

[@ExecutiveChefLance]

Open Borders is technically the Most Free Market and Capitalist stance. Actually I would go further and say that it is essential or you create a Oligarchic Feudalism with the 1% controlling most of the Wealth using Non-Free Market Countries as Serf Labor. Since everyone is stuck inside your borders you have almost a ironically similar situation to Medieval Europe with Peasants attached to Land. And no chance for Markets to even out. For Wages to even out etc...

[@AFord1981]

Just shows how far the Overton window has shifted to the right since then. These two were competing for what were, by 1980 standards, right wing votes.

[@krismine99]

I guess the GOP learned that it was a crisis that couldn't be solved by simply being nice

[@spinner771]

I mean go watch Kennedy speak on universal healthcare. The man sounds further left than Sanders, now compare that to Biden or Pelosi or Obama. 😂 in fact compare him the Kennedy in office now.

[@spinner771]

@@krismine99 Or maybe they realized that scapegoating illegals is better than admitting trickle down didn’t work.

[@krismine99]

@@spinner771 nope, but nice try

[@amitbhattarai8262]

@@krismine99 justify or don't be in denial.

[@RailWayBandit]

Back in the days when kindness was still part of the US culture.

[@CYQ-sg2yu]

They are real Republicans!

[@matthewollice5542]

If you said either of these things in the Republican or Democratic debates today you would be laughed out of the room. Sad to see where we are at now

[@millevenon5853]

Wow. I miss civilized times and am only 24

[@JustinKenward]

It's insane how far off the rails the Republican party has gone.

[@develentsai3215]

Reagan is a real republican and this is what republican wants, migrants can come to US legally not across the border illegally!

[@Robin_R.]

Hard to believe how much the politics of addressing the problems and issues related to immigration (lawful or unlawful) has changed this drastically from 1980 to 2020

[@mr.p241]

1:32 "I think the time has come..." The TIME: That's right!

[@Elijahs-iy3zq]

George HW Bush is a moderate and he sounded like a Democrat.

[@williamshinn1319]

Well he did say in 2016 that he voted for Hillary, the literal wife of the man who had beaten him back in 1992.

[@MrMightyBeans]

This issue been on the table 43 years ago and it's still an issue today. So none of these pompous had a clue how to solve it. They just kicked it to the next guy and the problem keep on rolling for 43 years.

[@MrNetnut]

Its The Drug War That The Real Problem!! Stop The Drug War And Alot Of Problems In America Will Go Away!!! Peace;-)))

[@carltontaylor6500]

Neither of these guys would get out a primary today.

[@cedarpoint90]

when republicans and democrats were moderate

[@alejandromendez488]

Well Ronald Regan wasn’t moderate but yeah.

[@lakersfansince1991]

The media has always called republicans racist. These two don’t sound racist

[@TheKing60210]

Meanwhile Joe Biden can dead ass say that "If you don't vote for the DNC, then you ain't Black"

[@youtubeaccount6294]

Reagan called African Delegates 'Monkeys' who are 'still uncomfortable wearing shoes.' A 3 minute debate obviously doesn't paint a complete picture. And not everything is about 2020 Republicans.

[@lol-ku1wl]

Republicans are more conservative now than they where in the 70s and 80s. Nixon signed the “Environmental Protection Agency”, which is pretty much the 70s version of the “Green New Deal”, a proposition opposed by Republicans today. As you see in this video, both Reagan and Bush (Republicans) are willing to open borders, give illegal immigrants at least a work permit, and are willing to understand their reasons for coming into this country. Today, Democrats approach immigration in this same way and Republicans completely disagree with them. Not to mention Reagan allowed illegal immigrants to become American Citizens in 1986. Now im not trying to say that Republicans are more racist now than back then, im just saying, once again, they’re more conservative now than they where back then.

[@TheKing60210]

@@lol-ku1wl times truly have changed lmao

[@lakersfansince1991]

@@lol-ku1wl it’s been 35 years since 1986. I don’t think it’s a good idea to keep allowing illegal immigration.

[@kevinpeterson5847]

Two former presidents with good sound ideas. Question to all of thought who listen and read this text Are you American or Christian first. It's a real easy answer. God bless you

[@andrewfusco8580]

Remarkable. Politicians didn't give straight answers back in 1980, either But they were polite, so people look back on it as some kind of golden age.

[@tylerfrank637]

Oh How far the party of Lincoln has fallen

[@kingofwrestling9758]

George Sr. was a good man.

[@ravindertalwar553]

I Love America and all Americans

[@talstory]

both come across so well compared to what we have today

[@mseminara]

When the Republican Party was the Republican Party. Miss those days.

[@liberalsaresnowflakes4234]

theres just so many different types of little groups in all of these parties. its crazy

[@hilee7390]

You have to realize your old memory always brainwashed(思い出補正)into a positive thing. And you need to know that those things can not replace the old political agenda.

[@realjrq]

Ahhh, yes, you miss the neocons.

[@akkoonassis9045]

Could you imagine us having reasonable statesmen such as this today?

[@matthewmilad]

Here in 2024, these guys wouldn't even poll high enough to get onto the debate stage to even be able to be booed.

[@alec4010]

Well said

[@abhishekranjan3787]

When Politicians used to be thorough gentlemen!

[@carlric]

thorough fake leader, just globalists anti-americans.

[@djtforever1414]

GHWB was a good President. I was disappointed when he was not reelected. I was a kid at the time.

[@gatoryak7332]

As a kid, you were disappointed why? How was GHWB a good president? He broke his "Read my lips; no new taxes" promise and he started a war in Iraq for no good reason.

[@TheBucketSkill]

@@gatoryak7332 "no good reason" we won it. swiftly. don't bitch about that one, makes zero sense. the 2nd one is top 10 worse decisions in 21st century tho mark my words.

[@brianrivera0]

Crazy this was 40 years ago

[@That_Random_Bloke]

What a superb gentlemanly debate