George Hyde's First Submachine Gun: The Hyde Model 33

[@TheRogueWolf]

Later, after Ian had left the room, all of the Thompsons on the wall jumped down and beat up their rival.

[@yuribartieniev8364]

I imagine AKs do the same to a VZ.58 or Type 81. Lol

[@sudaev]

The Rogue Wolf - I guess that sounded funnier in your head.

[@shawnadams1965]

I smiled.

[@redman0324]

Vz 58 is actually a very well designed rifle, the stock is just made out of partical board bullshit

[@theguitarprogresschannel1907]

@@sudaev nearly 200 people liked it, so I'm guessing it wasn't just funny too him.

[@matthayward7889]

Ian spends the first 3 1/2 minutes talking about the designer and not the gun, and that’s just how I like it 👍

[@five5105]

Looks like a discount Thompson that would be in a video game so the developer doesn't get sued.

[@TheExaminedLifeofGaming]

Lazy The Simpson gun.

[@Swarm509]

I was going to comment that this would be great in a game like Bioshock where there is a twisted "alt history" vibe.

[@five5105]

----->Joke------> IkesThePyro's head

[@Jesse__H]

IkesThePyro He wasn't even being sarcastic, he's just backpedaling, now.

[@five5105]

IkesThePyro Ah, that makes a bit more sense.

[@TheArklyte]

Tubular receiver, less damn wood... seems like a streamlined cheaper lighter version of Thompson at first glance. Something that was desperately needed.

[@crazyfvck]

+TheArklyte I agree. I think it's a shame that he didn't choose to develop this further. It would have saved our gov't some money, and it would have made for a lighter smg for our troops. But at least he had some successes during his career, unlike many of the gun designers that Ian showcases.

[@TheArklyte]

Actually it wouldn't save money. Goverment noticed this SMG only AFTER they've put Thompson into service. Plus he eventually was one of the minds behind M3...

[@EchoLeague2]

When you get when you leave a Thompson with a grease gun when it’s in rut.

[@goforbroke4428]

It’s a more expensive grease gun lpl

[@TheArklyte]

@@goforbroke4428 M3 is the Grease Gun. Did you think I was talking about tank or artillery?:D

[@alexandercampbell2808]

I haven’t said this on your page in a while, though certainly not for lack of interest, but your videos are some of favorite references when researching firearms. Whenever I get an email from KZbin about your posting of a new video, it really does bring a smile to my face. Thank you again for all that you do in the name of obscure firearms!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Thanks!

[@blandpepper2755]

In a self defence situation

[@BillyKraut]

US Marine Hyde reporting for duty

[@Pcm979]

You've got me obsessed with interwar gun designs, Ian. I have enough questions to fill a small book!

[@matthewmudgett7413]

With this gun in conjunction with the ultimate design of the grease gun, I feel like Hyde was interested in creating as close to a mud-proof submachine gun as was possible. The dust cover was an integral part of the grease gun's function, and now that I'm aware of the fact that the first gun he submitted was rejected in part because of problems with the rearward charging handle, the wonky charging handle on the original M3 makes a lot more sense

[@autofox1744]

Would LOVE to see one of these with a drum mag; the round shape would match the rest of it very well I think.

[@jordanhorst6]

That magazine system is intriguing. If they were merely coupled together it might be an option against magazine restrictions.

[@JerryEricsson]

I have always had a thing for Thompson look-a-likes, in fact years ago, I picked up a cheep clone with a plastic lower and what looked like surplus upper, she took standard Thompson magazines and could burn through a 30 round clip in record time, even though she was semi-auto. I really loved the little gun, and having a rifle and handgun of the same caliber was always a good thing in my mind, especially when I was a re-loader, and had plenty of time to roll my own. One day my old childhood buddy came to my house and told me he was going to take his wife and head to the mountains of Colorado to full fill our old childhood dreams of cabin life and living off the land. He had just sold his seismograph company and had a wad of cash, he made me an offer that I could not refuse, and I sold him everything but my duty gun, at the time that was some 15 combined rifles and handguns. What I did not know was that he was on the brink of insanity, and within fifteen hours I was in a nearby city trying to talk him out, he had barricaded himself and showed an officer 3 rounds of pistol ammo, he said one was for his wife, another for his other friend and one was for ME! Well I was the Chief of my small town about 13 miles from where he had set up, so they called me to try and talk him out. After nearly a full day, I talked him out, and that night, all my guns were locked in our evidence locker. I accompanied the Sheriff in transporting the fellow to the State Hospital for the Criminally Insane, and sadly I haven't seen him ever since. It made me think hard about giving up my FFL, but it took me another 12 years before I decided to go that route. His guns were released to his brother-in-law some months after the incident, I am quite sure they were returned to him on his release, after the doctors gave him some pills and pronounced him cured.

[@dickimusmaximus9086]

Run n' Hyde

[@JL-dance]

Adam Lowe jeckel and hyde

[@bogdanbogdanoff5164]

Named after famous school shooter Sam "You can run but you can't" Hyde

[@matthayward7889]

The Jekyl 33 was a lot more refined

[@kohinarec6580]

Matt Hayward 😂

[@cosmicatrophy4648]

Lol underrated comment

[@B60IN3]

Didn't know the production numbers were so low. I now feel honored because I got to fire a Hyde back around 1965. Thanks for video.

[@Emdee5632]

It seems like a simplified Thompson - but look at its construction. How much of it was stamped in stead of machined? And all the wood. Looks like most designers were unable to come up with something really simple and cheap before World War Two. Great video!

[@MidnightdoesWoT]

Oh my god that’s my new favorite sub gun ITS SO LUMPY AND CUTE

[@LtJackboot]

if ya got 35 grand it's yours

[@MidnightdoesWoT]

if i did id spend it on college lol.

[@aztec0996]

Right??

[@rickrooks5060]

Thanks for the background on Hyde, really interesting and something I did not know prior.

[@ArtyTheta]

That forward grip looks fragile

[@hugebartlett1884]

When the Germans encountered the Russian PPSh,with its drum magazine,they quickly came up with attached magazines for the MP40,enabling the soldier to index the mags across after cocking the gun.

[@BigWheel.]

This? ->kzbin.info/www/bejne/kGHaqZ-Fg7ikm6c

[@JustAGuy93-G]

The "Hey Mom, can we get Thomson SMG? No son we have Thomson SMG at home..."

[@troy9477]

Pretty interesting. I was expecting it to be a little lighter, like 8-8.5 lbs. Good design. The foregrip/end could always have been changed. A sliding wire stock like the M3 might have been a good idea. I would expect that a slightly projecting mag well like an M3 or MP-40 is ultimately a better idea. The charging handle may have merit, but i think a side handle like the M1 Thompson might ultimately be better. Hyde's designs are interesting and solid though. I always liked the M2. Great video as always. Thank you

[@ROGUE-Two-Actual]

6:00 so this is the "mystery mag" you were posting of social media about.

[@gunner678]

Thats a pretty good design, far simpler than the Thompson. Why somebody didnt do a similar big magazine design for the BAR i just dont know! Great video.

[@iono5556]

Hey Thompson can i copy your homework? Ye but change something Hyde:

[@TheAlexagius]

Always nice to see stuff from the auction houses

[@CThyran]

Looks like an Art Deco Thompson Submachine Gun, it'd fit right in a Dieselpunk novel.

[@theoriginalt-paine3776]

I had no idea what Dieselpunk was, but I've heard of Steampunk before so I looked it up. Thank you so much... I've found my niche, and my people now.

[@ajvanmarle]

I love the way those cooling fins fade out down the barrel.

[@fazalalikhan9263]

You speak about designer history .. thats really i love it ...

[@edgarjimenez8486]

Grease+Thompson=Hyde Gun.

[@ottoman_reenactor_ct]

Which one is the good guy :D

[@murderousintent7838]

@@ottoman_reenactor_ct that isn't how Jekyll and Hyde worked if anything the Grease gun is the serum that Dr. Jekyll used to turn into Mr. Hyde

[@AM-hf9kk]

More like Thompson (gun) + Hyde (designer) = Grease Gun.

[@01ZombieMoses10]

I think in present day, we're wont to lump old guns together based on their visual similarity. But if you think about it, it should come as no surprise that different weapons from the same era should share numerous visual cues; The same can be said of a huge number of modern black rifles today, many of which are internally quite different from each other, but simply looking at their profile would belie those differences.

[@lakemanson8051]

This looks amazing, thanks for the great video Ian.

[@wasdwazd]

Totally tubular Thomson! Terrific!

[@germanyball1379]

Or how i call it, the Space thompson!

[@episodenull]

It does look kind of Star Wars doesn't it? Like a Thompson humped one of the SMG Sterlings used by the stormtroopers.

[@b-conn6624]

Any chance you have plans to do a video on The Hyde-Inland M2?

[@hendriktonisson2915]

Yes it would be cool to see the rare M2 smg!

[@ForgottenWeapons]

When I find one, definitely.

[@matthayward7889]

B-Conn66 bet you’re pleased today!

[@oldman2477]

Me: "Mom I want a Thompson." Mom: "We have a Thompson at home." Me: *༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽*

[@alkestos]

What is ༼;´༎ຶ ۝ ༎ຶ༽ supposed to be?

[@Joshua_N-A]

Thompson at home: lightweight, more ammo

[@Tunkkis]

@@alkestos I imagine it represents him wailing in disappointment.

[@xenotran6671]

Peacekeeper

[@bogdanbogdanoff5164]

This thing kills you no matter how gay or strong or gay you are

[@xenotran6671]

can I get a quick gundown?

[@richardbooth610]

Mom can we have a Thompson? We have a Thompson at home.jpg

[@GazalAlShaqab]

There is a certain beauty to it, especially with the stock removed.

[@setunne]

But can I attach a bayonet to replace the stock?

[@Snowman1510ify]

It looks like the part of the bayonet that locks to a rifle, so lock this smg to your rifle in place of the bayonet!

[@ChubbsterBrown]

Snowman1510ify holy crap. Dude you're thinking on a whole other level. 10/10

[@Snowman1510ify]

Noah Hudson-Dawson Thank you, thank you very much! I'll be here all week.

[@ChubbsterBrown]

keith moore if the gun is embedded in your shoulder, as opposed to resting in your shoulder, then you get better control over your fire rate. It may sting a little but that's the compromise you make for accuracy

[@alterpanda8988]

why is this unlisted? i was digging through the JDJ auction listing and found it there

[@ForgottenWeapons]

Because it hasn't published yet. :)

[@BasnettJames]

Ian is saving it for himself.

[@Vincent-S]

I'm waiting for the day you find his 1944 carbine, show off it's mg42-esque quick change barrel and hopefully it's pretty freaking fast rate of fire.

[@TheGloriousLeader]

Me: I want a Thompson! Mom: we already have a Thompson at home. The Thompson at home:

[@annairinastoll2960]

When I saw the thumbnail I thought for a second it's one of the Thompsons sitting in the background ;)

[@BernardB2000]

Just a little nitpick. The barrel isn't fluted in my understanding: flutes would be longitudinal. That style of barrel is usually described as having cooling fins.

[@meansartin]

A box fed/harmonica magazine. Pretty trippy.

[@kg6itc]

Would be cool to see the accuracy of the 30 and 50 yards spots on the sights. Also if within 50 yards, is one really gonna have time to adjust? : )

[@christinesulyvahn6043]

I love those weird looking guns, they have an charming that touches me deeply, like the Charlton Machine Gun

[@paalaasengstubbrud3524]

Always love submachine guns!

[@denisiakovlev7647]

Why is there M1A1 with Lyman adjustable rear sight behind Ian? I mean, what a hell? right? Help me with that, pls.

[@dak4465]

I have always wanted one of these

[@daveh777]

That would be fun to see how sights work at the range.

[@davidcox2264]

I like that. Nice design.

[@richardlahan7068]

My wife even enjoys Ian's gun videos.

[@royperkins3851]

Reminds me of the post war Ingram model 7 that was a cool tin Thompson!

[@lukelyons9606]

Holy auto focus Batman! Love this channel, but if you want a solid b-roll camera man give me a shout.

[@charlesshipman446]

The rear sight markings look so uniformly spaced that you'd guess the spacings on the sight were done first and then they put the ranges on afterwards...... more importantly though; can you get a bump stock for it ;)

[@Teabagz4fun]

As they've had a lot to do with what you cover. Have/would you be able to do a segment regarding the Aberdeen Proving Grounds? (Would be cooler if actually done there, but it'd be understandable if not.)

[@Chrisket]

wow the BF2018 lineup looks good

[@Saintbow]

When your classmate copies your answers...

[@Pyke64]

This actually looks sweet, the M3 Greasegun just looks very cheap... Well because it is very cheap.

[@Zurie]

The video seems unusually crisp and smooth, did you upgrade your camera equipment Ian?? Looks good!

[@GunFunZS]

Props for showing a bunch of gun nerds that you have a harbor freight flashlight. ~"Don't you know that you need to have a $150 100,000,000 lumen light in your pocket? Your life may depend on it! Don't you love your family? Spend more money- REEEEEEEE!"

[@CallofDoobie585]

Forgotten Weapons Ian doesn't this remind you of the Beretta smg???

[@Naruto_uzumaki120]

I held one of these the guy who had it for sell had it marked as a Thompson m1a1

[@DeoVindice_61-65]

Looks like a Thompson built on a tube receiver. Actually, looks even more like an Ingram Model 6.

[@scoreboredgaming]

Are you ever going to do a video on the m2 at any point. I first heard of them in your t2 thompsom video.

[@jeffreyroot7346]

He did such a video not long ago.

[@fabians.5037]

What happened to TheGoldenCaulk?

[@Gostwriterindisguise]

Did Willie Sutton have a 33 or 35?

[@davidguf579]

When are we gonna see the 30-06 Chauchat make a return?

[@mechanistinventor1643]

The Strange case of Dr.Thompson and Hyde M33...

[@littlegreenhelmetboi4148]

Seems the front grip would snap off

[@MrBlindcat1]

Any Relation to the Imam Al Hayid?

[@mouse454]

People keep mentioning that guy. Almost like he can't get away. With posting on youtube.

[@Soupcup8993]

We have Thompson at home Thompson at home:

[@andrewwaterman9240]

Reminds me, at least in appearance, of the Ingram sub guns.

[@thefamilyguy5693]

Don't force a guy into a self defense situation if he's wielding one of these bad boys

[@topkontra8358]

degtyarev dp-28 in sight? wanna see that :D

[@jakeklossing4352]

The Thomson's adopted brother that no one loves, "Thomas".

[@Fatalroadie]

Wouldnt the charging handle be prone to slippage? It looks like it would if not careful.

[@alanpassat6759]

Nice tool room work, but the magazine cutout takes alot of stiffness out of the breech area. No matter how much material is put back in (look at the material thickness in the ejector port) it's not a great design

[@entropy11]

that pinball plunger charging handle though.

[@ScreamingSturmovik]

why do smgs always get really weird charging handles? is it really that hard and expensive to put a handle on them in the typical place?

[@GunFunZS]

They need to lock open, and they tend to be run more like a pistol, from olden timey thinking. i.e. more like modern gun handling: Right handstays in firing position, left hand does everything else. So usually the charging handle is designed to work left handed with gross motor skills, and be very cheap and simple to make. SMGs were very frequently made as a cheap and simple gun to make a lot of in an emergency. A big crude knob in a slot with a notch in it covers that need pretty well.

[@Tarik360]

Is it just me or are there guns out there, like this one that appear bent on the barrel and receiver area?

[@elijahdoesmine9964]

This looks like an improved Thompson sub machine gun

[@craigscott5661]

Elijahdoesmine9 2nd channel looks more like a cheap rip off of a Thompson. The cocking device is ridiculous.

[@jacobeberhardt1649]

I'm curious to see what the goes for.

[@666philipfry]

Regarding the serial number 174, I'm thinking it could be "model 1", "gun 74".

[@FrancoisBourque]

Kind of surprised the weak spot was those bolt flanges...looking at the gun without a mag looks incredibly flimsy with that skinny top receiver part right over the mag well

[@timturbo7727]

Whoa, did Khyber pass make a Thompson?

[@Pyke64]

You keep mentioning this in your videos, but what made the thompson (m1a1) so expensive to manufacture ?

[@williamprince1114]

Pyke Lot of extra steel like the Blish device and a lot of machine tool work. The M3 Grease gun that eventually supplanted the Thompson was stamped metal with a minimum of parts.

[@Pyke64]

William Prince thanks for explaining in pretty simple terms :)

[@MatthewBaileyBeAfraid]

Funny, when I saw that I immediately thought of both M2 and M3.

[@ShotgunGabe]

Its is like something a kid would drew is he/she was asked to draw a thompson

[@adamhauskins6407]

any chance of a 1921 and a 1928 Thompson?

[@hendriktonisson2915]

Seems like charging handle was not that big of a problem. It had more practical rate of fire than the thompson, was propably quite reliable because of the closed receiver design and at the same time cost less than the Tommy gun. So why didn`t the US military adopt it?

[@flexarnn]

Im really fucking tempted to make a Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde joke

[@burlatsdemontaigne6147]

I, for one, respect your remarkable self-restraint.

So alike with the Thompson.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

This is basically a Suomi KP with a Tommy gun silhouette

[@p.a.scippa5648]

Thank you .

[@Davidautofull]

am I wrong or isn't there another Thompson look alike? I believe its called a Spitfire? something like that? or is it a Hyde that someone gave a name?

[@Davidautofull]

it says view reply. there is no reply. please reply again. youtube f--d up.

[@HALO-2304]

"You'll poke your eye out, kid!"

[@Bearthedancingman]

That charging handle is very much like an automotive grease gun.