George Lucas Explains Why Anakin Morally Became a Ghost with Yoda and Obi-Wan After Being Vader

How was it ok for Anakin, after all of the horrible things he had done during Order 66 and beyond as Darth Vader (with Younglings, Jedi, and innocents) to be redeemed
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[@coruscant100]

The thing about Anakin bringing balance to the Force is that it wasn't as cut and dry as they think it is. Anakin did bring balance to the galaxy. In the final years of the Republic, the Jedi had become stagnant and arrogant in their ways. They no longer followed the will of the Force but cared more about public image and politics; something that haunted them in the Clone Wars. During the war, the Jedi became blinded by the growing darkness and had grown to become worse than before. It wasn't helped the Jedi's actions and ways basically pushed Anakin to become Vader and embrace the dark side. Anakin had to bring balance to both sides. The Jedi had become arrogant and blinded by their own actions, and the Sith were pure evil that needed to be wiped out. Basically, the two sides were hit with a hard reset because the balance had grown so out of sync that Anakin had to wipe out both sides to ensure true balance.

[@armaniwebb4467]

Pretty much what you said, but simpler. The sith ruled the republic, and the jedi did their bidding. Both had to be destroyed

[@anakinskywalker3480]

I completely agree.

[@TheSwordsman100]

I both disagree and agree in a manner of speaking, the Jedi do not necessarily need to be wiped out to achieve balance, as balance in SW is not what most people think when they see the word balance. Instead George is going for a more taoist view, to use his analogy a healthy body represents everyone following the will of the Force is balance. The Dark Side which is not a part of the Force but is the act of forcing the Force to do your will instead is like cancer, throwing the body out of homeostasis. Hence why the prophecy called for the destruction of the Sith only. Throughout Clone Wars it is implied that the original plan the Force had for Anakin before his fall was to get the Jedi accept attachments and most importantly love as it was the fear of these things that causing them to lose their way and ironically enough their faith. (which Lore Star does a good video on) Qui-Gon was also meant to serve as a father figure giving Anakin a healthy upbringing similar to Luke and show him how a true Jedi is supposed to act. However Qui-Gon lost the duel of the fates, the Jedi of course rejected Anakin and became willfully blind, ignoring the mountain of evidence that something was up and the Force and thus fell as well do to their own hubris. Which leads us to the Force's plan B, where it directly intervened with Qui-Gon to save Obi-Wan and Yoda and guided Luke to redeem his father.

[@josh.lankford88]

Completely agree, the Jedi became more political than following the will of the force. That needed to be fixed.

[@knightofarnor2552]

I might even go so far as to assert that if the Jedi's moral and philosophical decline had gotten a few more generations to fester, the Sith might not have even needed to kill them.

[@RyanTheDark]

Because Anakin is the Force's favorite child.

[@LaneWinn]

Yup

[@lunar6604]

Literally

[@tsunamifoxy]

He's the only child!

[@orion1141]

Lol

[@Lemuel928]

Anakin knew Vader has no high ground this entire time.

[@EmpireFanProductions]

I believe you will bring balance to the Force. That you will face your demons and save the universe.

[@lairofmedi3421]

That last line always gets me.

[@logicaldude3611]

@@lairofmedi3421 I like the whole "You will find another way" even though it has an immediate context. It feels like kind of a prophetic thing about the path he'll take, he eventually does end up learning how to save the people he loves from death but it's by sacrificing himself.

[@lairofmedi3421]

@@logicaldude3611 oh 100%. I watched an edit where that line was given in that sort of context that you’re referring to. “You will find another way” and “you will face your demons” given in the whole context of Anakins/Vader’s life is extremely beautiful and moving. Great point!

[@DefecTec]

What is that line from?

[@lairofmedi3421]

@@DefecTec Clone Wars! The Mortis Arc in Season 3

[@logicaldude3611]

In many Christian traditions, redemption is immediately granted if a person sincerely does repent. George combined a lot of Eastern and Western religious ideas so I'm sure that's a part of it. I felt like that was pretty obvious, Anakin truly did turn back to the light.

[@Dark6997]

@Said Bale It's more accurate to say Christianity is a blend of the east and west

[@jarod144]

We all grew up together. The thing separating us is us

[@storba3860]

@@Dark6997 Christianity originates in the Middle East.

[@Dark6997]

@@storba3860 Yes but Christianity expressed itself through Greek and Roman philosophy as well as the languages and art of those people. There's a reason Koine Greek and Ecclesiastical Latin are considered sacred languages just as Hebrew and Aramaic are. Christianity was born in the Roman empire the new testament as far as we know for certain was first written in Greek and it was through Greek and Latin that it spread and came to define itself. Also for a long time the Middle East was more of the center or a transitional area between the East and West back when western civilization was more focused along the Mediterranean a stark contrast between the middle east and Europe wasn't as strong it was more of a gradual one.

[@kleatise52]

@@Dark6997 thank you for this information this. This was a worthwhile comment section the likes the galaxy has never seen.

[@PlagueOfGripes]

Actual explanation: it was to show that Luke's father truly regretted his life and that Luke had really succeeded in changing him for the better. After years of modern setting updates to how it all works, it makes absolutely no sense. But don't worry about it!

[@tonyrox5]

yup, that's basically what i told myself as i clicked this video

[@thecat6159]

Na. He became a forced ghost due to white male privilege.

[@lastelite3967]

@@thecat6159 wtf are you talking about

[@thecat6159]

@@lastelite3967 Just stated his White-male Heterosexual privileged allowed him to become a force ghost. Name a minority force ghost in Star-Wars.

[@thekillalizard]

@@thecat6159 how's that open racism and sexism going for you? Feel good?

[@anakinskywalker549]

The perks of being a main character..

[@LordMaul66]

We all know I should be the main character

[@anakinskywalker9772]

Wait a minute.

[@chancellorpalprotein2886]

Hey ani, you wanna go to the gym with me. I have a story to tell you. It’s quite the tragedy.

[@markrudolf9973]

Well star wars is actually a story about Anakin so......

[@anakinskywalker9772]

@@chancellorpalprotein2886 OK, but what tragedy?

[@raideroutlaws]

Question is this, will George "forgive" Disney for fucking up his ending trilogy to the Skywalker saga?

[@RsDeepHalo]

Wym, it finished with episode 6?

[@NeilCWCampbell]

7,8,9 are alternative universe

[@sorrontisgames]

What? there's three more films? Since when?

[@kimemia_maina]

When Filoni brings balance to the universe

[@noukid9975]

I hope he doesn’t

[@MrMasterDebate]

Everyone thinks this would be awkward. But idk. With how badly the masters treated Vader .... idk I blame them

[@shoyupacket5572]

how did they treat him badly? if anything he was the most privleged padawan there ever was.

[@aydinvirani1528]

@@shoyupacket5572 because in comics he was bullied when he arrived at the temple by the other kids. Always talked down upon and disrespected by many Jedi masters especially windu. They never allowed him to see his parents. They could have simply just freed her. I thought they were peace keepers that do the right thing? Whenever he asks for help their only response is let go and deal with it. Don’t get me wrong it’s not their fault he turned he made the decision but it’s not like they made it very hard to chose with the way they acted

[@AlyssMa7rin]

@@shoyupacket5572 “then you will have earned my trust” He was ‘on the council’, and the head of the council (Windu, not Yoda) flat out says he doesn’t trust him after he reveals the Sith Lord to be his ‘father’ or ‘best friend’. Can’t blame him for choosing the kind and fatherly palpatine. He didn’t know the devil he was courting

[@shoyupacket5572]

@@AlyssMa7rin he was only on the council because palpatine forced it upon them, that's what made the whole thing suspicious and so the masters were right to be uneasy.

[@kingkyan4112]

I think murdering kids is a lot worse than being told ur not a master yet but to each their own

[@jangofett8210]

I always thought a long time ago that because the force literally created Anakin that it only sees fit for him to return to the force without having to learn the technique.

[@fersho450]

X2

[@jakemains1123]

I’m pretty sure it’s Palpatine who influenced the midiclorians to create Anakin as the ideal apprentice and Palpatine literally used the force to create life and because of that his midiclorian count was so astronomically high. Although, his midiclorian count is greatly reduced as vader and he had lost touch with many force abilities he had, like his foresight of his mother and Padme’s deaths.

[@rafz9147]

@@jakemains1123 wrong that was proven incorrect. Pretty sure it was plagues that tried to influence the midiclorians to create life but the force retaliated and created anakin

[@FBI--OPEN--UP---]

@@rafz9147 i know you are right but i like the other ideo more XD like i know 7,8,9 exist but i dont like that

[@acar8791]

@@rafz9147 it was either emperor Palpatine or plagues who made Anakin, they didn't want to specifically make Anakin but a powerful sith user, in one of the comics when plagues finds out about Anakin he realised he kind of made a huge mistake and fucked up because he turned out to be a Jedi, I'm not sure if its legends tho.

[@mrpenguin0001]

Isn't it because at the end he gets redeemed and becomes good again and let's go?

[@zeppelin926]

That's how I always saw it

[@zeppelin926]

He killed palpatine

[@QantusVitae]

@Shamiul Pervez but anakin didn’t kill those children, it was darth vader.

[@mr.safensound4238]

@Shamiul Pervez I believe that when Mace became 'one with Force' he was able to forgive Anakin. And the Jedi younglings, who also followed the same Jedi teaching and would have done so too.

[@Frey-Doh]

slaughtered children

[@DeathScepter]

Anakin asked forgiveness. Forgiveness both forgiving of others and of self is a part of light side. Keep in mind that Anakin was in a form of hell while being inside of Vader's Armor. In Short, Vader's Armor is hell for Anakin's sins and Sidious is an asshole that enjoy torturing Anakin for the hell of it. Jedi training is overcome their dark side while Sith embraced their. Keep mind, Jedi are not perfect but the only Sith I do consider to be perfectly in tuned with the Dark Side is Darth Sidious. Also Many Sith Lords do have black twisted hearts but Darth Sidious is completely empty on the inside for he has no good on the inside, no morals. Dooku, Vader and Maul do have blood on their hands due to their rank as Sith Lords but they had an element of good within them.

[@AaronturnerPSN]

Dookoo and Vader are former Jedi, Dookoo saw the errors in the way of the Jedi and tried to correct them but they pushed him away and so Dookoo let the Sith take him over as did Anakin, Anakin wasn't taught how to use his forces for good, he wasn't taught to understand them, in the end, the Jedi order failed both of them, and more than just Anakin and Dookoo

[@fdsajfldaskjf]

I’m a devout Christian so for me the idea of Anakin being redeemed is no different than anyone being redeemed. Every human is prone to sin. The dark side, if you will. And in the eyes of God EVERY sin is equal. The thief and the murderer are both equally guilty in His eyes. This is why the whole debate of whether the Jedi Order was wrong or if Anakin was wrong is something that I find laughable because the obvious truth is they BOTH were wrong. Anakin failed to notice the devil (Palpatine’s) deception and the Jedi Order failed by rushing to war to begin with. And even further by keeping the war going instead of seeking peace immediately after Geonosis. Anakin’s redemption arc is much like the parable of the prodigal son in the bible to me. A son of God returning to his Father after gaining his inheritence (Being ‘the chosen one’ just like Christ before him) and later trashing it by living in sin (Becoming Darth Vader, the ‘dark father’).

[@shavy7734]

I'm not prone to sin. I don't think your religion accounted for people like me.

[@ramarblood7697]

Jedi were wrong for not trying to peace out with a Sith Lord, who likely wouldn't accept? If we are going to use Christan metaphors, then I'm pretty sure Jesus said that he did not come to bring peace to the world, but a sword.

[@mlordwhiteslayerfromf.u.g]

So true, I noticed from the beginning that star wars had religious parallels

[@mlordwhiteslayerfromf.u.g]

@@ramarblood7697 that's out of context, it's very easy to find fault with anything if you strip out the good parts or rework wording to be different. I don't take quotes from the Bible seriously unless they're quotes in context.

[@penguinofthewaddles]

THISSS

[@InvincibleDead85]

Remember Luke felt the conflict inside Vader. Vader was like 99.99% dark side but not fully turned imo. He had the chance to turn back before he died.

[@OGKhonshu]

Everyone has the chance to return back. But nearly every sith lord stays on the dark side forever, because they love the overwhelming power.

[@mingo2385]

He did turn back. Hence why he told Luke that he was right. And once he died he lived forever as Anakin again

[@OGKhonshu]

@@mingo2385 He did turn back... If not how did he get a force ghost? You need the light side of the force to do it.

[@mingo2385]

@@OGKhonshu I basically just said that…. Lol

[@CSirce]

I recall that Clone Wars episode where Yoda began his training with Qui-gon. One of the first things Yoda had to do was face the evil inside him and purge it. Anakin did the same when he was confronted with a choice, let his son die and keep his place as a Sith Lord, hoping to get Leia to overthrow the Emperor. Or sacrifice himself for Luke's sake like a Jedi would and kill the Emperor. He had to let go of being a Sith Lord in order to do that. This is the forgiveness of self and put him on the path of redemption. Keep in mind, Obi-wan didn't believe Anakin would come back but he got the proof due to Luke's faith in the good that is still in his own father.

[@kevinpinkney9329]

When Obi wan told Luke of his father he mentioned "a certain point of view " so it made sense to me that Hayden would be the young Anikan Skywalker to be standing as a force ghost with Yoda and Obi Wan because when Anikan became Darth Vader by pledging himself to Lord Sidious, Anikan died and Darth Vader was born....

[@Starwarsawesomeeu]

Obi-wan: “Anakin quick become a force ghost to bring Padme back” Anakin: …

[@Qc4073]

So the reason of the actor change at the end of Jedi is because that’s when he was last a Jedi and not Vader? That’s what I’ve always thought

[@ZyderOfficial]

There is a good explanation in SWTOR that I loved when Darth Marr dies and appears as force ghost. Your character says why he has the armor even dead, he answers that it's the way in which he wants people to remember him.

[@edwardbloecher4563]

Joe according to Lucas you are correct.

[@jamesshelton1127]

It’s not because that’s when he was last a Jedi, it’s because that how he looked before he was maimed and burned

[@edwardbloecher4563]

@@jamesshelton1127 Also per Lucas it's how he last looked before going to the dark side.

[@Da1337Man]

Young force ghost Anakin makes total sense. If he were to truly look like he did in his last moments, that would be rather interesting because he didn't even have any of his limbs anymore. Yet apparently, in the OG version the force decided to give him his limbs back and remove all his scars.

[@ameerkhan1028]

Anakin: *comes back as a force ghost* The younglings he killed: 😐 All the jedi: 😕

[@usernotfound342]

Anakin: 😄

[@svinkuk2652]

people think this would be an awkward reunion and everything, but i think its more like your best friend was addicted to heroin for years and just got his act together again, its like he was dead and now hes come back to life (by dying, ironically enough). but thats literally it though as obi wan says, anakin is dead, vader killed him. and now anakin, the war hero, the great man who fought in the clone wars, HE is back to life, vader is gone

[@streetsdisciple0014]

“Isn’t that what your religion is all about?” I love how George used Shaw’s own theology against him to defend his position. Genius.

[@Zomboo]

Its terrible logic. Not everyone is worthy of forgiveness because some things (acts) are unforgiveable. Example of an unforgiveable act: murdering children (in every case), let alone over of an ideological belief. Anakin was pathetic, childish, twisted, easily manipulated and certainly did not deserve to be a ghostie.

[@DerrickRG]

@@Zomboo Cry

[@streetsdisciple0014]

@@Zomboo I agree with that but the point I’m making is that Lucas is merely showing the person questioning his decision the hypocrisy of his own position via his theology. Basically cherry picking where forgiveness can be applied and to whom.

[@Zomboo]

@@DerrickRG that is a word.. goood job!

[@Zomboo]

@@streetsdisciple0014 and my point is that george was cherry picking to excuse bad writing. Not the other way around. As much as i enjoy star wars, george was a bad writer. (Jar jar?). Anakin appears at the end to ensure a feel good happy ending to please American audiences. Sorta like going to a rub and tug. If you think about it too much you feel gross but either way you come at the end. Star wars is the rub and tug of science fiction stories. (In my opinion)

[@LukimusPrime]

Seeing Hayden as Anakin in Return Of The Jedi’s special edition was such a beautiful moment that brought together both the prequel and original trilogies.

[@OGKhonshu]

He'll play Darth Vader in the Obi Wan series on disney+. Well that's what they said. Don't know if it will actualy happen. Would be nice.

[@KyleeRotunda]

It also makes sense because that’s when he was still Truly a proper Jedi that’s the form he takes

[@420van01]

Seeing Hayden as the force ghost was insulting to the original actor playing the dying Death and as an overall insult to the 1983 original. I never knew that becoming a force ghost de-ages you by 50% ??? However adding in the cities celebrating the defeat of the Death Star2 was pretty classy. It showed the galaxy celebrating freedom from the imperials .

[@cdrunner7876]

I always preferred Sebastian too. Cause that’s what he would actually looked like when he died.

[@rafe985]

Idk to me he just looks like a random old dude, doesn't have any emotional value

[@ameliabrown3987]

@@rafe985 Agreed

[@Genemon123]

@@rafe985 that's kinda what he is

[@dakotatrue12]

I don't, like someone else said it has no emotional value, not only that but also, that guy looks nothing like Hayden. ALSO, Vader was only in his 40s, Sebastian looks way older than that.

[@obi-wankenobi5499]

@@dakotatrue12 he was also butned

[@ChoicesonChoices]

Makes me think that Anakin could have been the most pivotal character for Luke's redemption arc in TLJ. Missed opportunity..

[@G31M1]

so true

[@rocky_6969]

So basically, Qui-Gonn, who was originally supposed to be Anakin's master, caused a chain of teaching others about force ghost-ness and in a way he saved and taught Anakin in that last moment. Pretty cool

[@MsFenriss]

Thank you for that glimpse of Ventress when you were talking about redemption. She mirrors Anakin's journey from Light to Dark, as she is moving from Dark to Light, and she's one of SW's great antiheroes.

[@Gab_1309]

Sad Star Wars fact: Anakin’s whole dream was to become the greatest Jedi in the Galaxy 🌌. He never really unlocked that dream until he died 🥺. Meaning he never really got to use that power.

[@notaneboy]

And he was powerful to stop someone from dying just like he said

[@aradigm1890]

I'm just going to say it, none of your videos are too long dude. If anything I appreciate your videos on my work days so thank you for them

[@Dinosreviews]

I like to go with the theory that the Darkside kept him alive and turning to the light is why he was dying. That's why he tells Luke "Nothing can stop that now." When Luke tells him he will die if his helmet is removed.

[@ksgjag]

No the stuff in the suit keeping him alive wasn't working because of palpatine's force lightning. nothing could have saved him at that point

[@Calebkoenig66]

You should do what if Padme joined the dark side with Anakin

[@calebcustombricks2631]

Yes!! Agreed

[@NoahS4226]

That would be really cool. Not a possibility I've ever considered

[@ghostnappa2012]

This is an incredible insight into George's plan with how a seemingly large plot hole is fixed. Reminds me a lot of Shad Brooks' (Shadiversity here on KZbin) novel "Shadow of the Conqueror"

[@Jorge_Yared]

Dude, you’re videos are seriously amazing. Putting on one of your videos and just learning something new is really fun 👍

[@dadcomeback1470]

Ani is literally the saying the path to hell is paved with good intentions

[@makaylaslater5247]

Obi-Wan looking at master Yoda Anakin looks happy should we tell the youngling are here lmao

[@jaredlocke4300]

That ghost lesson Obi gives Vader right be he dies would be cool to see in the upcoming Visions show

[@gamegasten607]

I like to think It was because at the end when he died as Darth vader he truly regretted what he became. He smiles thinking how it could’ve been. He that’s how he gained inner peace and gained acces to the spirit realm as the chosen one

[@gutz1981]

I always believed it was about power and how close one was to the force. When Qui Gon discovered how to self teach to join with the force, although he could only appear in sound, he was able to do it cause of how free he was mindfully. It took him years. Obi Wan appeared in Sound via seconds of his death through teaching and some time later visually. It took Yoda days to fully appear given his power. It took Anakin less than a few hours without ANY of the teaching Obi Wan and Yoda had, cause he really was the chosen one.

[@deborahwalton-blanchard5817]

My father once said to me that anyone, even Hitler, can ask forgiveness, even if it’s the last few seconds of their life, and God will forgive as long as it’s repentance and not fear of retribution. I asked “what about the people he killed?” My father said “Heaven has no size and he he will have his own separate space that no one else has to visit or share”. So I had no issue with Vader. Clearly he attained redemption.

[@mcspankey4810]

Gods mercy is an endless abyss, you’d be surprised who you see worshipping the blessed Trinity at the end of time

[@ethanwinnegrad3402]

My neighbor, who is a orthodox Jewish Rabbi, said essentially the same thing. Sounded strange, but if an Orthodox Jew believes hitler can reach heaven…well, who am i to argue?

[@jamesshelton1127]

@IbrahimIbnYusuf it’s not your place to judge a soul. Only god can do so. God certainly tells us how to live but the whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was to show that no matter your sins, if you accept him in the end, you will be saved.

[@aydinvirani1528]

@IbrahimIbnYusuf why are you so mad???😡😭😫

[@6dayzofchaos584]

@IbrahimIbnYusuf Geroge is a Buddhist Methodist. I don't think these arguments are valid to his view of the Force as a Religion.

[@OldBaldWookiee]

I really enjoy watching videos like these . it really helps me to better understand/enjoy/appreciate the entire star wars story .

[@mcq413]

Great video man.. This, personally, hits home for me. There's someone close to me that has held, and still holds on to all of the hate, the bitterness, and the anger. I wish she would learn to let go and forgive everything and everyone. I would love for her to move forward with her life and be happy. I know there's love in there somewhere. I can't imagine how miserable it is on the inside- how's it's tearing her apart. It can't be a great feeling.

[@matthewblackwood4704]

The ghost should have stayed Seastian Shaw, anakin was old when he turned back good so it makes no sense to have him young again.

[@robinrinsmith]

He was only about 45, Shaw was much older. And if you’ve seen Hayden lately, he doesn’t seem to have aged that much

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@@robinrinsmith Well to be fair anakin was 9 in episode 1 19 in episode 2 22 to 23 in episode 3 (I think that’s how old he is during the events of the prequel trilogy) 43 in episode 4 46 in episode 5 47 in episode 6 (I think that’s how old he is during the events of the original trilogy) So in others words Anakin was a kid to young adult during the prequel trilogy adult during the original trilogy

[@jonmcinnis1645]

@@thedarkknight5239 ?

[@Decoto87]

Qui Gon’s “Force Ghost training was incomplete. He led Yoda to the Force Priestesses who thought Yoda who than thought Obi-Wan.

[@dillonb5317]

Yoda said at then end of Revenge Of The Sith that hed teach obi wan how to communicate with Qui Gon, Qui Gons training may have been incomplete but he had enough training to remain partly after death

[@narakarrarr6191]

Great video by the way, full of information and unique perspectives... Reminded me why you're the best star wars lore channel! (well, other than your stellar impressions)

[@OldRepublicRevan1665]

It has been a while Star Wars Theory but I enjoy your vids!

[@lucafiorentini3396]

I would love to see anakin as a force ghost or revived (i mean, they revived palpatine so why not), helping people in order to redeem himself, it would be really touching for me

[@amadan3869]

I think it's because the jedi are meant to forgive people... And move on... They try not to take revenge

[@amadan3869]

@@thedamntrain I wouldnt, but the jedi might.

[@usernotfound342]

@@thedamntrain yeah, hitler did terrible things, but what is done is done, *if* he chose to be forgiven and accept what he has done and move on to live a normal life that was left, why not? But only IF he chose to be 'redeemed', but we all know he didn't, so he killed himself.

[@usernotfound342]

@@thedamntrain dude, I presume you don't know how life works: it's everything about survival of the strongest and those who have enough power, can do whatever the fuck they want and they won't ask you. This is the harsh reality we live in, religions and laws are made by us, in order for us to live in a society without too much chaos. But yes, I completely agree Hitler should've been punished for the crimes he did, even if he would apologize. What I was actually trying to say to you was that: those crimes have been committed, those people have died, they can't be turned back again. Even a life long sentence to prison wouldn't be enough to compensate what he did, even if Hitler was tortured slowly to death wouldn't compensate the crimes he committed (Hitler would die anyways, but people he killed can't be brought back). Idk if you get my point

[@clocks6838]

I did some horrible things during my addiction. Spent alot of days depressed with guilt and shame. It was always hope and redemption that kept me going through the really tough times. Star Wars teaches us many life lessons.

[@judosailor610]

Vader’s redemption arc in the OT made a lot more sense before the prequels showed him literally murdering children with his own hands.

[@judosailor610]

@C man Man Nah, bro. The prequel‘s really didn’t make a lot of sense based on what we were all expecting after the OT. I mean we expected Vader to be bad, we expected him to kill Jedi. But we expected it would look something like the Kurgan in Highlander hunting down Jedi one by one, killing them in duels. No one expected him to just murder a room full of children. SMH. That was ridiculous.

[@judosailor610]

@C man Man Oh man, if you aren’t the pot calling the kettle black! Lol. Also pretty disrespectful and insulting. Guess you aren’t mature enough to be able to handle it when someone disagrees with you. As for the rest, I find what you said about duels to be hilarious. You do realize duels have been a part of the franchise since the very beginning? And they featured one in almost every single movie. So, sounds like you’re the one that needs to go watch a movie, bro.

[@judosailor610]

@C man Man You’re absurd and you haven’t made a single valid point. Not one. You’re either literally a child or you have the mentality of one.

[@judosailor610]

@C man Man Sorry kid, I don’t argue with children.

[@judosailor610]

@C man Man I doubt you’d break character to tell me, but if this is just a bit that you do to troll people, it’s absolutely hilarious. Got a legit LOL from me after that last response. I mean, I suspect you of being a literal child, and you come back with one of the most childish (but still kind of sweetly innocent) responses you possibly could. Brilliant!

[@dcred123]

The reason Anakin was able to go to Jedi heaven was because he killed the two worst people in the galaxy, after defending those people for years: Palatine and Vader.

[@mathias3996]

I feel it makes more sense for Hayden to be the force ghost because Hayden was how Anakin (a Jedi) looked when he died to become Darth Vader. So that’s how Anakin died. But Darth Vader was a sith when he died . If that makes sense idk lol

[@matildachoong]

The thumbnail picture for the video is so funny lol😂

[@zs8118]

Very interesting! I really love your videos talking about these overlooked but important details in the saga and the interpretations behind them. I agree, I think Anakin was able to become a Force-Ghost and be with Yoda and Obi-Wan because deep in his heart he truly repented his deeds in those last moments of his life, that's why he was forgiven.

[@Markis2bi4]

Personally, I would have liked to see an animation or short movie of Anakin being brought to the Wills, faced his sins and actions, confronting “himself” for his past, and eventually earning his right to be with the other Jedi, and become a Force ghost. I believe in redemption but only if it is actively sought after, and earned. After all, nothing worth having was ever easy to obtain.

[@SeaLion8488]

Yes, but with many things Star Wars either pre or post Disney, there are plot holes that are filled by novels, interviews, and other sources to explain the them, or none at all. Fans accept what they want based on what sources they like or not. However, it's important to keep in mind there are many, many inconsistencies throughout the star wars universe. What matters are the characters and stories they bring about. "From a certain point of view...."

[@lewisbull891]

How cool, Forgiveness the ultimate tool to move forward and reconcile with your past!.

[@sethesauce498]

Hi theory loved your vids bro

[@lonzoandme9069]

keep up the good work love your vids you should also do more fallen order

[@bradbhd]

I like to think of it as the Force repaying Anakin for the role they made him play in bringing balance back. He didn't have a great life as Anakin, and it was his destiny to join the Sith it was all going to happen regardless. After the Emperor's death his "purpose" was complete, so he was no longer needed, might as well ascend him.

[@gamesetlive]

I loved Paul Duncan's explanation of this in his discussions with George Lucas. Great stuff!

[@lindastevens2324]

Love your vids, and I subbed to your channel

[@MrMasterDebate]

Yoda: we kidnapped you. Chose to value economics over helping your mother . Then didn’t allow you to save her. Kept telling you to ignore visions of your partner die with no solution. And that would be consistent with how we let your mother die, meaning you think it could happen again and we think it’s fine. But yeah it was totally unreasonable to for him to turn to the dark side when someone finally tells you “I’ll help you save her. Those monsters have proven they won’t. Come to my side”

[@TFE134]

Luke pleaded with Vader to let go of his hate. “It is too late for me son…….” Vader replies. He said this very reflectively almost as if he’s thinking about the future and what could be.

[@narakarrarr6191]

I think this is why I love Kylo Ren and wanted him to live so much. He fit in the Skywalker arc very well, thematically and logically. I wanted to see him redeemed and then try and live with his sins

[@benutd9347]

I’m an hour into the podcast really enjoying it so far. So much knowledge😈

[@abu5ivp1ll0w5]

Hey theory i love your videos man keep it up

[@loveoffilm4327]

Everyone becomes a force ghost in rise of skywalker....

[@everettjohnson9374]

Like who? I saw Luke and Leia but that's all. Hell not even Ben became one, people try to say Han became one but that was all in Ben's head, just a memory as is said.

[@loveoffilm4327]

@@everettjohnson9374 we heard mace windu, ashoka, and a bunch of other voices in the end

[@dereklopez9060]

As much as I liked TROS, It honestly should've been just Anakin, Obi-Wan, Yoda, Qui Gon Jinn and Luke because they actually became force ghost.

[@hunterkiller1440]

Plot armour works even after the main character dies. And gets to look young again while his peers stay old.

[@MattII33]

I always figured they put Hayden into the film as a ghost because that’s technically what Anakin looked like when he “died” and became Darth Vader.

[@andreaskaniclides5167]

@hunterkiller1440 A force ghost is that persons best image of themselves so If they feel they were better in old age than they will appear as an old version of themselves and anakin and darth vader are one and the same but also different and he appears that way because thats when he was in his best state mentally and pyschically

[@robinrinsmith]

Anakin/Vader wasn’t that old.

[@roadhouse6999]

Darth Vader's suit is a representation of Hell. Every second Anakin spent in it was a great deal of both physical and emotional pain.

[@Christommyfmx]

Loved all of this info!

[@forsho7123]

Anakin never died, he was always alive yet he had to see himself slaying all the good guys and doing terrible things and he coul do nothing but watch

[@Vic-pg4rg]

He's the chosen one, duh.

[@rayaristondo6186]

Thanks for the content man

[@edwardberg1518]

Wow this is awesome. I love The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader, I’ve read it three times now lol. Super excellent explanation. Thank you for always generating great content. I don’t normally comment but I’ve been subscribed to your channel since it’s inception and you never fail to impress. Awesome vid, thanks.

[@blackmist1981]

Maaannn, if you got on here one day and said “hey guys guess what. George and Dave told me today that they’re passing everything on to me (withstanding Disney’s involvement) and I’m the one to carry on the legacy” I’d be like “salute let’s go!”

[@jordancool4853]

A bad person can be truly changed and truly redeemed; that's the message.

[@ahsokaventress1167]

The fact that star wars teaches you so much is a surprise to be sure but a welcome one.

[@Cobrakaifan2020]

8:00 love the kk2 reference!

[@captaindc3889]

Sometimes even a single choice can show the true morality of a being

[@macwelch8599]

Why did they switch out that old guy with Christian Haydeson?

[@darthvader.exe_7663]

I think when they made revenge of the Sith

[@shindanu]

Maybe so you would like how Hayden did anikin.

[@s0leviden954]

Because Anakin died when he became Vader. So when he turned back to the light he was Anakin again.

[@CohenMore]

You mean hayden christensen

[@macwelch8599]

@@CohenMore thanks, sorry

[@chubbyninja1688]

Solid video, loved the insight on this one.

[@colinstubblefield4670]

I've wondered this very thing. Thanks for the explanation

[@CujoHyer]

One of the big differences is that Anakin didn't fade away (on screen). His body had to be burned, like Qui-Gons was burned. So his death was more akin to Qui-Gon's. In the end it's all pretty convoluted and makes little to no sense.

[@Timberwolf69]

Qui Gon's body was burned because he hadn't completed the training that would allow him to pass on like Yoda or Obi Wan. Yoda went on a journey to complete the training. Anakin/Vader was too much of a machine to be able to let fully go.

[@FindingTheForce]

It feels RIGHT when you watch the film, but it feels so WRONG when you discuss it on KZbin. 😆🤷🏼‍♂️

[@alpejohnson491]

WOW i never realized that about the OT thanks! I was always so confused about that

[@josiahp5021]

I didn’t know this. Thanks and rule of two yesterday was amazing theory!!

[@lukbuc285]

Anakin Skywalker or Luke Skywalker? Edit: i like luke

[@twinsuns6629]

Luke Skywalker. He is my favourite character of all time. I was so disappointed when Disney had to ruin Luke I don’t even count Sequel trilogy as canon. I have a movie Tier List in my channel

[@MoraiAxo]

Anakin

[@lukbuc285]

@@twinsuns6629 i know i hate the sequels. Ill check it out.

[@MyaVillarreal08]

Anakin Skywalker

[@MoraiAxo]

@@MyaVillarreal08 hello there Padawan Tano

[@Masteroogway40]

I miss Sébastien Shaw, that was the real version.

[@Masteroogway40]

@C man Man Luke must have been so confused. Who is that guy and where is my dad? Obi-Wan was probably like how come he gets to come back young, spry and handsome while I'm stuck an old fart? Why couldn't Obi-Wan be himself from episode II? Lol I like the older anakin. He and Obi-Wan were like brothers so it makes sense they would be close in age, like brothers. Not Obi-Wan looking like Anakin's grandpa. It kind of breaks the bond. It's jarring.

[@Masteroogway40]

@C man Man Don't get me wrong, I love Hayden Christensen as Anakin, just not as the ghost.

[@ZahnHahn]

Well said! You may have encapsulated the message of “redemption” and “forgiveness” in Star Wars. Gonna definitely use this in my Star Wars RPG.

[@Coldrainbeast]

I'm okay with that bit being Legends because I like to think that he wouldn't cease to exist, and that Qui Gon only discovered the "Netherworld" after he died. Because if Anakin did learn how before he died I think he would have disappeared like Yoda/Obi-wan. Redemption is a difficult thing for us to give each other as humans, so it's natural that so many fans hesitate to allow Anakin back. But it really is the story of a prodigal son (of the Force). The ability to forgive (as you mention the Jedi are learning to do) is at the core of Life. There's nothing so beautiful as true Redemption.

[@frezblood1]

I agree ep 7 8 9 are non canon anything that Kathleen Kennedy has done is non canon she's horrible for star wars

[@godaboveallelse5849]

That goes for me too 💯 %

[@LaneWinn]

Hello there

[@timito1798]

Great video, love these videos of George’s vision

[@HybridRenoII]

Your Vid on how he became a force ghost did a good job, then again I think all your vids are good so lol

[@brucesolomon1514]

Luke saved his soul. It was always self explanatory!

[@natalieable8463]

Thanks man, I struggle with forgiving people in my own life and this helped me have a different perspective on forgiveness that I needed.

[@eds1942]

The way that I read the scene was that Anakin’s was a particularly special, short “lived” case of Force Ghost. He, despite all that he had done, had enough strength to stay long enough to show Luke what he had looked like in life, and as a way to tell his son that he was at peace and was proud of the man that Luke had become.

[@brotherdoom2406]

I’m fine with Anakin being a force ghost. He suffered during the entirety of the empire’s rule for what he had done and then redeemed himself before his death. I just really didn’t want Hayden Christiansen as the force ghost.

[@danielbeckman6742]

Why not? Hayden Christensen worked his ass off for two movies as Anakin Skywalker. I think he earned it.

[@laurenmosley9008]

I thought it made so much more sense for him to look the way he did the last time he wasn't Vader.

[@brotherdoom2406]

@@laurenmosley9008 I’d love to here your reasons why.

[@devinbrice991]

In the bible, a criminal is tortured alongside Jesus and they speak with each other. Despite being self serving for so long, he repents and asks forgiveness. Jesus accepts this and tells him that he will one day be resurrected to paradise. The point is that someone can be evil their whole life, but if they truly change, then they should be forgiven.

[@NickRyanBayon]

I love how star wars is a very escoteric way of explaining spirituality in specific the left hand path (sith) and right hand path (jedi).

[@willyvereb]

As somebody who watched EP6 in the 90s I think that one was obvious. Luke kept saying it's not too late to become a good person and there is still redemption for Vader. And in the end here it was, he joined "Jedi heaven". The theme was forgiveness and redemption. I guess being from a religious school in my youth did help me to frame things like this. It's actually a bit saddening that nowadays people feel outraged at redemption arcs and think people should be judged for their past and not their present selves.

[@stephenmcintyre9100]

First

[@LaneWinn]

Good job 👏

[@darthvader.exe_7663]

No you are not first

[@LaneWinn]

@@darthvader.exe_7663 yep he is

[@stephenmcintyre9100]

@@LaneWinn Good job for what, having no life

[@chrismayo4902]

Theory’ you are by far my greatest StarWars KZbinr’ great thinking points’ awesome outside the box looks’ an admire your own personal story to boot’ you are truly a scholar and a gentleman.