George RR Martin on How He Avoided the Vietnam War

[@droidzilla22]

He probably started filling out paperwork for his enlistment and by the time he finished the war had ended.

[@laurocoman]

Nah, he never finished.

[@otiliu]

xD

[@hadeshellfire2670]

Ohh you cheeky bastard that's probably how it went down LOL

[@xninja83x67]

The paperwork is due after the winds of winter.

[@ordinaryjoe4143]

Sounds like droidzilla had a ton of medical issues

[@BOBHO631]

He is still filling out his draft registration form..swears it will be done soon

[@mrlbow]

gold, i actually laughed out loud

[@DeAngryDan]

Gold!

[@knowur10sand18s]

He join The Nights Watch, the U.S can't extradite people from there.

[@jamietodd2560]

So Canadians are White Walkers?

[@stjames3852]

Jamie Todd i guess Canada could be considered the Land of Always Winter!

[@knowur10sand18s]

@@jamietodd2560 wildlings. Eskimos are Whites

[@Glorious_Kim_Jong_Un]

Actually the US and Canada have the strongest extradition treaty in the entire world.

[@dreadpiraterobertsii4420]

Imagine your this, your a poor Vietnamese rice farmer next thing you know GRR Martin enters your village via chopper with m16

[@SakariHapponen]

With a minigun shouting GET SOME! GET SOME!! (add GRR Martins crazy laugh on to it)

[@klaykid117]

Red harvest

[@prot07ype87]

*you're**

[@JONNY_RICO69]

Id be an honor

[@dreadpiraterobertsii4420]

Prot07ype asshole*

[@johnyricco1220]

Imagine how many people who would've done amazing things like write GOT got killed in Vietnam

[@Lucitaur]

@Héctor F Traducciones None.

[@krzysztofpiasek5682]

@Héctor F Traducciones Johny said people who got killed in Vietnam. As in generally all victims, not saying X side killed Y.

[@davidulanovsky8943]

Lucitaur Racist.

[@phugindomas]

@@davidulanovsky8943 oversensitive. Stick in the ass.

[@laurocoman]

Like people who would actually finish the fucking books.

[@YouCanCallMeReTro]

He sounds exactly like my dad when he talks about Vietnam. Used the exact words and everything "I didn't think America had any business in Vietnam"

[@rolln8ths]

YouCanCallMeReTro just like Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Africa lol

[@ericstaples7220]

I've heard those exact words from other conscientious objectors. It must have been quite the meme in the 1970's.

[@YouCanCallMeReTro]

Eric Statples My dad wasn't even a conscious objector, he served in Vietnam but he has the same view.

[@jgamer2228]

We certainly didn’t. I think the United States should adopt an isolationist policy again because nothing since the Nazis and Japan in WW2 has been a great enough threat to warrant our intervention

[@felixkaletsch8691]

Your Dad and George R R Martin both use words?

[@siryoda8145]

FYI, the thought that Tolkien was being allegorical in his works-that Martin correctly states Tolkien repeatedly refuted-was about WW1 not WW2. Perhaps a nitpick but an important one. Those two wars were quite different in many ways.

[@monkeydust100]

War ,war never changes.

[@the_godfather9974]

Yes that‘s why i‘m Quote anonyed that the Film about Tolkien also points at ww1 and it being the blueprint for lotr rather then being one of many sources for inspiration

[@purefoldnz3070]

Meanwhile they just made a movie about Tolkien using WW1 as an allegory for LOTR lol

[@54356776]

Those two wars were the same war with an intermission. Both wars to destroy Germany and the European imperial system.

[@killval849]

What's insane when you read into the Great War or WW1, it's literally just a battle of cousins, and relatives in the various European countries swinging their dicks around vying for the throne essentially lmao.

[@vaporwavertv6444]

Thank you for these! It’s so inspiring and interesting listening to George talk.

[@mrrnigah643]

Probably because how good he expresses himself

[@MontyQueues]

George R “I’d fight the Nazis” R Martin

[@fabiankeller831]

They don't call it "the last good war" for no reason ;)

[@somethinglikethat2176]

@@trevor5468 and his comment screams never picked up a history book

[@inigo137]

@@somethinglikethat2176 Comparing nazis to people from vietnam, XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

[@renatopereira2315]

@The Law The difference between a nation which invades the whole of Europe and little Vietnam minding it's own business ...

[@floridamancode_e2673]

@The Law and as we all know right after the north won the war they invaded the United States like they said would happen...... Oh wait that didn't happen

[@lordseth2074]

The Night King dont surf!!

[@rluna2274]

I read it in Robert duvall’s voice.

[@TheShachattack13]

I’d imagine it’s the same way Samwell Tarly avoided fighting in the battle of winterfell

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

Oh no, he definitely fought, he just had his plot armor on.

[@PainCausingSamurai]

George is still doing interviews? I'm glad to hear it. I used to love "The Hour".

[@dafttool]

He is SUPPOSED TO BE finishing his last book of Fire & Ice. **growls**

[@doublestrokeroll]

relax. this is old. Strombo hasn't had this show for years.

[@demilembias2527]

Related to the thing about war, I really think GRRM might have topped the charts in the category of "epic fantasy pre-battle speeches" made famous by the likes of Aragorn in LOTR with Ser Barristan's speech before the battle of Fire in the sample chapter of TWOW. If the rest of the book is that good, it will be worth a 10 year wait.

[@PawThunder]

I just realized that none important character in the game of thrones is killed during a battle except last season of the show

[@kevinlp3951]

George is so awesome and smart

[@solk.posner7201]

This man, this is a man of reason.

[@Might.B.Housey_]

I have way more respect for GRRM than I already had knowing he was a conscientious objector

[@general2109]

Jake Houseknecht It’s really strange the draft board could make a decision like that, considering in reality that COs had to be total pacifists according to the definition of a CO. And usually exceptions were only given to religious groups.

[@tulkas42o22]

There are real tender moments as well. As far as grrm being a conscientious objector thats a tuff subject for a lot of people. Tolkien served in the first world war and they call him PG next to grrm. George doesn't kill off your favorite characters one by one. Thats highly exaggerated, his writing style and the plot make it possible for key characters not to be immune to "plot armor" that would protect them in a normal story. Thats what is shocking to people is that he's willing to kill the prince and put the virginal princess in inevitable harm but then....the help never really comes. How do you live like that? Then the story moves on!!!

[@Thomas-gj1zn]

There is definitely plot armour in asoiaf. Look at Tyrion surviving all those battles, Jon getting revived, Arya's surviving getting stabbed in the stomach, etc. Name one main character death that did not serve a purpose.

[@ionutalexandru3645]

@@Thomas-gj1zn Jon getting revived and arya getting stabbed aren't in the books. Although Jon will get revived most likely in the books too, but that will change him drastically not like the show where he just got a cool scar.

[@tfsheahan2265]

A lot of us would have made an attempt at conscientious objection except that we were told that not only couldn't one object to the Vietnam war, you couldn't even be willing to defend the country if it's attacked, either. That was more than I could talk myself into.

[@Marshall_Thompson]

@Paul Johnson The drafting system doesn't abide by conditional sentiments regarding warfare. The whole point of the draft is to forcefully conscript men in the U.S. so that there will always be someone to defend it should the need arise. The constitution however cannot infarct upon your personal beliefs, preventing you from being forced to fight if it goes against your religious or spiritual beliefs, such as those that demand a complete sense of pacifism. If your pacifism is conditional, then you are not considered to be a true pacifist and the draft board can send you to war if they interpret it to be necessary. Since the actual necessity of the War in Vietnam and conflicts against powers that aren't a direct threat to us was brought into question, the draft hasn't been used since.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

He only filled out 5/7th's of the draft.

[@strictlynein4626]

I think he love that the first time he hear the question that not have anything to do with SOIAF books or the show. LOL

[@starwarfan8342]

It's so weird. I expected someone who can depict war with such accuracy to have fought in one himself.

[@cipher88101]

Medieval war...history books tell you plenty. No doubt the man is a good writer.

[@thelegacyofgaming2928]

You just need to read a lot and you'll know plenty about war. The rest is up to educated guessing and imagination.

[@mattalley4330]

Shortly before my dad got his draft letter in the mail he was sanding down a fiberglass body kit for a car and forgot to wear his respirator one day. When he got his letter and went in for a physical they did an xray and it showed spots in his lungs. They told him he was terminally ill with lung cancer and he was declared medically ineligible. That is why my dad didnt go to Vietnam.

[@DrummerDucky]

Another well-known "character murderer" is Yoshiyuki Tomino of Gundam fame, who frequently offed major and main characters to reflect the tragedy and reality of war. That was back in the '70s and '80s, and they made for unparalleled shows in terms of writing.

[@arx3516]

I'd love to see a Gundam story written by GRRM.

[@DrummerDucky]

@@tHeWasTeDYouTh Yeah, Tomino turned unsufferable after a streak of fantastic shows (I personally hold the movie "Be Invoked" as my favorite of his offerings). Another titan of Japanese screenwriting and directing Mamoru Oshii, pretty much took over with fascinating shows and movies over and over until the 2000s when the steam started running out.

[@tHeWasTeDYouTh]

@@DrummerDucky sad state of affairs. at least the guy that made devilman crybaby is making good anime after good anime so far.

[@eddiemet12]

I think people would remember Vietnam different if we won. It's not that often you hear people talk about how wrong it was for the US to get involved in the Korean war.

[@riccardocas1239]

eddie metcalf many people think Iraq was a mistake

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

Most people don't even remember Korea happened.

[@Jt-fx8tl]

@Harold Haroldson a loss on there part we defended south Korea and it became an economic power

[@Marshall_Thompson]

Technically, the Korean War never actually ended. A cease-fire was agreed upon, a DMZ was created to separate the two countries, but a peace treaty was never actually signed.

[@VengefulMaverick]

@Harold Haroldson I wouldn't say loat Vietnam either. A peace treaty was signed. America withdrew. 2 years later NV aided by Russia and China took over SV. (This is 2 years after we left mind you) Plus Vietnam was a giant mess of testing weapons and vehicles/aircraft. It's the dumbest strategy ever not to invade NV.. like what lol...... they wanted a prolonged war for profit, and to control southern Asia. They got their profits but lost half of what they gained in Asia, that includes SV. Idk what to classify Vietnam as really, to much grey area. I'd say it was a political loss and military win? Considering we never lost a battle.. and somehow with that dumbassery in politics and ROE that even happened. A loss is classified as one party submitting or surrending to another party. Neither happened on either side.

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

Can you imagine if he fought at Vietnam and still made it to tell his stories? Would ASOIAF focus more on the battles? We would probably have chapters worth of the Whispering Woods.

[@dwightschrute3721]

Winter Fire or have such bad ptsd that he never would have written again, lol

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

@@dwightschrute3721 I don't think so. There are lots of Vietnam vets who came back and wrote books. Lots of fantasy and sci-fi writers it seems. I think that George would probably cope with the trauma by writing lots of war related sci-fi and fantasy, not much different than our timeline, but with more vivid battles.

[@zac5572]

I mean the only thing I could imagine is that there would be more brotherhood without banners since they are communists basically like the Vietcong

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

@@zac5572 Hypocrites stealing from the people they should be helping and eventually becoming just as corrupt and tyrannical as the people they were fighting against. Communists alright.

[@zac5572]

Winter Fire lmao you can't possibly think the brotherhood without banners are just as tyrannical as the Starks, or greyjoys. I can't believe you're defending feudalism is a made up world.

[@travisnoles1]

Imagine you're just trying to tend to your rice paddy but you hear The Rains of Castamere start playing in the distance.

[@imreplyingtothiscomment2378]

Glad i was born in the 2000s

[@reptarslice2606]

Listening to him settles me down

[@wartem]

Think of all the stories we would have if Americans were not sent to die in pointless wars.

[@SiddarthaTB]

sinnerandprejudice didn’t Tolkien hate his work being considered a allegory for war

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@SiddarthaTB No, he hated it being an allegory for Christianity.

[@themk4982]

The war may have been pointless since at that time the US simply wasn’t equipped to deal with North Vietnam and could never have won without committing atrocities, however it was morally justified. The government of North Vietnam was far worse than that of the South, committing mass murder against people simply because they were even moderately wealthy or French and becoming famous for their torture techniques.

[@cloudlanding8258]

Protoman im pretty sure this is not the case. He was a glad Christian. Tolkien hated for his story to simply to be taken for allegory for anything. He said his story was not allegorical for politics or war or anything.

[@ProtomanButCallMeBlues]

@@cloudlanding8258 Yes, he was a proud Christian, but he was against people diving into to deep, kinda like C.S. Lewis. Don't get me wrong occasionally we get some gems like Robocop being an allegory for salvation in a dystopian crime ridden Detroit which is quite poetic. But Tolkein was adamnt about separating the two. Maybe it was broader that it wasn't pro or against much, other than Good must defeat evil. Either way, I like both avenues sometimes I get sick of "WAARRRR IS BAAHHD (UNLESS IS NAZISSS!!!)" authors. Martin is of course guilty of this a lot, and I love the guy but saying "I would've fought NAZIS!!!" to get people to clap doesn't change my impression, but it does get me to appreciate Tolkein a bit more.

[@SpottedSharks]

Good for him.

[@SpottedSharks]

@The Law Had GRRM gone to Vietnam it would have had no effect on the odds of the U.S. winning the war, however there would have been a distinct chance of Martin being killed and depriving us of GOT. He made the right call. I wonder what the other 50,000 American dead would have contributed to our society?

[@SpottedSharks]

The Law I don’t necessarily disagree with any of that, but I see one important distinction. The Nazis were our fight since Germany declared war on us. Vietnam was never our fight. Wasted lives, wasted money, and it drove our country apart - and with absolutely no benefit in return.

[@hazzmati]

@SpottedSharks while before Germany's declaration, the US wasn't officially at war with Germany they were in fact on the British and Soviet side. By sending massive amounts of weapons, food and other supplies America directly supported the war effort against Germany anyway. They weren't neutral.

[@09nob]

It was a bullshit war rich American politicians lied to it's people to get into, the Golf of Tonkin incident was a fable cooked up to kill thousands of young often poor Americans. @The Law

[@Dan-si8fp]

@The Law WW2 was worth it because Hitler commited a genocide against the jews and the Nazis were invading several countries and spreading their racism/evil influence. What did we gain in Vietnam that was more important than stopping Hitler?

[@OnlyTrueProletariat]

knights weren't the only people with dyed clothing, george's knowledge of medieval europe is that of a highschool teacher, mostly wrong with a few truths sprinkled in there most people wouldn't know

[@Account2129]

WAR HAS CHANGED!

[@lyrimetacurl0]

I wouldn't have fought in any war. It would be far too insulting personally for anyone to assume I could do better at war than at whatever I want.

[@wezzy9437]

The Vietnam war was actually started by the french. No seriously they were trying to retake an old colony they had and were losing so they asked the US to save them with a tactical nuclear strike, we refused and then after some convincing we saved them and fought in Vietnam for France's sake.

[@somethinglikethat2176]

The first (the French one) and second (the American one) indochinese wars are separated conflicts.

[@ChucksSEADnDEAD]

@joseph davisson so the US allowed the South Vietnam to fall so they could wait for a couple of decades of communism for them to allow capitalism back?

[@Marshall_Thompson]

@@ChucksSEADnDEAD I think he was mostly joking.

[@jamesoleary2476]

Wezzy94 the Vietnamese actually asked for Americas help against the French and have Vietnam become democratic. America refused

[@geert574]

I don't think the Army would want him even if a high dosis of Captain America serum was injected 🤣

[@MrBoDiggety]

If the army didn't want him, they wouldn't have drafted him.

[@VincentGonzalezVeg]

my uncle was in Vietnam he had shell shock the drugs he took, because the war machine wanted a diffrent kind of soldier than the humans that we are the drugs the soldiers took because they found a way to feel more human than they felt so many people killed for a few hills and they fell back again so many thousands of people that would have had a wonderful time together in a different situation he is dead now i miss you uncle joe im glad you diddnt die for your country that you fought for

[@M0rganKane]

A true inspirational hero. I only hope i would have the courage and integrity to object to another unjustifiable, futile, and criminal war if i'm ever put in his position.

[@muskatDR]

"Ill kill more people writing than i would on the battlefield"

[@marcusanark2541]

I respect his choice.

[@ulmo5536]

Got to admire him more for that

[@odiadordeisrael]

1:10 Funny how the opposite happened after the war.

[@jordansage9655]

Not everyone can write social allegory....

[@Jesusprayerwarriorbw]

At least he didnt draft dodgeaMad respect

[@luciuspaullus1948]

What did they do to your wonderful books? 😢 😢 😭 😭

[@AndyRoidEU]

He fled to Westeros, easy

[@nicoraba]

If he would had died in Vietnam we had no ASOIAF/GOT. So this was a smart move

[@YIIMM]

It shows amazing foresight on his part

[@ericstaples7220]

Then again, he might have saved some lives if he had fought.

[@PavchBavin]

2:37 You kill people all the time lol

[@leavesofgrass1917]

My respect for him increased

[@AMYV3]

My dad was a draft dodger came to Canada before my sister was born I want to say thank you dad and mom. I’m Canadian and have citizenship in the states as well. I’ve met men here that weren’t so lucky and will never be the same.

[@swietoslaw]

One thing he is completely wrong about medieval beaning brown and without color which is myth in fact medieval times were very colorful in fact I would say people were more bright colors then now. And dyeing was expensive if you wanted to have intense or rare color (red or deep black) but you can easily use thing like onion or nut shells, tree bark etc

[@Ramsez]

Was gonna say the same thing, thanks!

[@swietoslaw]

@@palestinevideos2025 LOL where? when?

[@palestinevideos2025]

@@swietoslaw sumptuarylaw.blogspot.com/2010/07/sumptuary-laws-in-antiquity.html?m=1

[@palestinevideos2025]

@@swietoslaw m.lordsandladies.org/sumptuary-laws-middle-ages.htm

[@palestinevideos2025]

@@swietoslaw you are not allowed to wear whatever you want. You're not allowed to design your own clothes with bright mixed colours. It would be far safer to wear brown or grey and simple plain clothes if you are poor. Because if you look like you're trying to dress above your station you'll be in big trouble.

[@settingsun8403]

All wars have a Reason & Purpose but only when the situation is dire and there is no other solution

[@jomoody798]

Meaning? All wars from 20th century are meaningless

[@BekeroParyin]

@@jomoody798 How was WWII meaningless?

Eric Ramsay international bankers ruled before and they ruled afterwards. The social order did not change one bit after such a brutal war which is extremely strange in history.

[@Toto-95]

He's wrong. Medieval peasants wearing brown is a myth. They could and did afford basic colors like red which was always very cheap to make

[@bluemountain4181]

@AllegedPhilo Look at the medieval art which depicts peasants. They don't wear mud brown, they are dressed in varied colours

[@Toto-95]

@AllegedPhilo you're clueless as fuck. Between cotton dyied with cheap red or a dark green blanket and fine silk there's a world of difference. (not even mentionning jewelery, horses, land, a castle even wooden one, etc) The peasants wore as bright color as they could afford, they washed, brushed their teeth and had fun in winter cause you have nothing to do as a farmer. (or at least a lot less, it's not modern farming) No need to get mad. Don't spread false information and learn like an adult. Or keep behaving like a child. The ball's on your side.

[@joepeake8972]

After the Black Death, wearing certain colours (such as purple) could get you fined and/or flogged as nobles (rightly) feared both a rise in prosperous commoners climbing the social ladder, as well as popular uprisings such as 1381. The plague cut the workforce so drastically that wages rose to unprecedented highs and famine becomes a thing of the past (for a time). Not to mention an abundance of available land and property left by all the dead people. The nobles could see the way it was going and thus they passed various repressive sumptuary laws that banned certain recreation activities or imposed dress codes.

[@uhhhhyourmom]

It’s unwise to fight in a war you disagree with. In fact it makes no sense at all. Good job George.

[@Zetraxes]

Thats what i liked about the punisher. Instead of giving the villain an easy way out or dying in an explosion or falling to his death like in all these other lame ass shows Frank castle gets his revenge and they dont.lie how sweet it is in the moment and that it can be a little relieving but they also show that he has changed that he cant live in society and that it still doesnt bring his family back I think most authors directors and scriptwriters tend to forget that we like to get pulled away from reality to another world or life through a sTory in whatever medium it comes but that doesnt mean that they have to beautiefy or make it to fantasical. I only ask for them to make it realistic within their ownworlds. War is and will always be the same. Same goes for friends family romance hate revange sorrow and regret those are universal and unchanging truths about humanity that shouldnt change just because they are fictional or acted

[@craigoneill2216]

Zetraxes the show was such a let down!

[@Shok731]

Full stops. And paragraphs. Please.

[@Zetraxes]

@@craigoneill2216 if you mean the second season i can agree. But the first season has its merrits. If you are watching it for a deep story intricate characters and incredible writing then you are at the wrong place. But thats not what i said why i liked it. Tell me any show especially in nowadays Political correct culture which does Revenge true justice. Maybe you dont know what it feels like to beat the living shit out of a guy who wronged you but i can tell you from personal experiance that Punisher captured that satisfying feeling spot on. If you want crazy good writing good characters brutally realistic story and plot twists that make you go bald then watch Peaky blinders.

[@craigoneill2216]

Zetraxes I didn’t think there was near enough violence in either season a few episodes are great but there’s way to much filler and we barely see him in his punisher costume in 2 seasons!!! I hope you didn’t put paragraphs and full stops in because that dickhead in the comments told you to 😂

[@sleepless9994]

He hid in trees

[@Tommy1977777]

I like that he fled to Canada and came back.

[@iseptimus]

Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

Someone in the comments pointed out how George is wrong about the colours in medieval times. Peasants could and would wear colourful clothes all the time it wasn't difficult for them to afford that. Also they knew how to sew and repair. That's some of the biggest fantasy cliches Martin puts in his books and I'm fine with it, but I must admit it's very tiresome to see this shitty misconception in every medieval media. I understand they wanna make a parallel between the rich nobles and the poor common folk, but goddamn you could do this without the "lmao poor people wear all brown" bullshit. The funny thing is that in the show everyone, be it noble or poor, wear black leather now. It's like a heavy metal festival.

[@matiaslobos7648]

@AllegedPhilo its wrong to say shut up to somebody at youtube, ¿ why do you make this community more toxic? Think about it

AllegedPhilo you mean nobles like Rothschild?

[@scotland2256]

@AllegedPhilo Spot the jew. People can see past your shit. The world hates Jews with good reason.

[@Kelmire1]

One interesting comparison between WW2 and the Vietnam war is that enlistment into the U.S army during WW2 was voluntary enlistment, whereas the Vietnam war was mandatory conscription.

[@SuperReviews4you]

If we did it the way Israel does it with mandatory service our country might be a lot more unified.

[@coltonreeves6893]

There was mandatory conscription in WWII too, buddy. A lot of people enlisted voluntarily but they were also scooping up every available bit of manpower we had. The only way an able-bodied man could get out of service in WWII was if he was involved in some trade necessary to the war effort that required a decent amount of skill, i.e. welders, merchant sailors, iron workers etc.

[@swedsteve93]

@@SuperReviews4you one small country filled with assholes/descendants of assholes who shouldn't be there Vs 350millionish people who have 2 neighbors. One is Canada so nothing to worry about. The other is Mexico.. I don't think we need to do what Israel does. Plus so many other things I'd take all day.

[@Marshall_Thompson]

Actually I think I read that most American WW2 serviceman were draftees. I think I also read that the majority of the guys who were sent to Vietnam were volunteers.

[@nikoslav]

turns out commoners COULD afford dyes for their clothes

[@giovannigam]

Specially blue, green and yellow!

[@Buford-kz7ky]

Nikoslav Exactly

[@alfatazer_8991]

Theirs weren't as deep or vibrant as the nobles but at least they had some. The perception that all medieval people wore brown or drab clothing all the time needs to stop.

[@Velnias8]

I cut my teeth in the trenches of the Somme, You larped your Santa Claus ass through Vietnam -J R R Tolkien

[@olliesloane151]

George was woke.

[@Hirnlego999]

@Jon Snow True though. Look past the war propaganda.

[@TheShadowBee]

He still is!

[@olliesloane151]

@@TheShadowBee True.

[@larptm9083]

“I would have fought the Nazis”

[@noname-mr7wq]

@@larptm9083 whats wrong with that statement

[@TheSighphiguy]

except George..... you DONT have to write 40 pages on what they are wearing or what their banners look like. a paragraph or 2 would suffice!

[@LordJagd]

Isn’t he hyperbolizing?

[@Buford-kz7ky]

Dye wasn’t expensive

[@MartinPurvis]

Scipio the Mushroomman I remember watching a video that said that peasants weren’t allowed to wear dyed clothing for some reason like they could be arrested because they weren’t in the appropriate class (I can’t remember which video now but it is an interesting thought if true)

[@coltonreeves6893]

@@MartinPurvis You should try reading books for historical information and not watch KZbin videos for it. Commoners were absolutely allowed to wear dyed clothes, antiquity and the Middle Ages were not as dull, unenlightened and miserable as popular perception makes it out to be. There were, in some cases, sumptuary laws against the wearing of certain colors or textiles. This was done more to curtail expenses on foreign imports and less to simply oppress the commoners. In any case, it doesn't mean that commoners only wore shades of brown and beige. Many colors of dyes were plentiful, cheap, and fashionable for all social circles. You would never catch a lowborn man, even a wealthy trader, wearing purple in the Byzantine Empire or something, but that doesn't mean that he wouldn't be wearing bright yellows, greens, blues, and reds.

[@Idciydhmb]

Okay Gorge GoT is gonna be over soon now give us winds of winter ❄️

[@captainmanacles]

Sam the Slayer

[@dace48]

To be fair, showing the grim reality of war and it's horrors is not a new idea, read the iIiad.

[@evropaheart]

There was plenty of dyed peasant clothing. That's disappointing to hear from him.

[@proudsaiyanprince2651]

I'm so tired of this misrepresentation of European cultures. No. Everything was not brown. Have you seen Europe? It's the most vibrant beautiful land in the world.

[@junkard4203]

Yup.

[@Carlos-ln8fd]

Master

[@NyalBurns]

No one new how bad the nazi’s until after the war

[@NyalBurns]

Jay See my authority I don’t know what you mean by that. And who’s making people feeling so morally bankrupt that they hate themselves.

[@ThatCamel104]

@ this is a dumb take. Germany can and will challenge US authority wherever it sees fit. WW2 was 70 years ago. Times have changed since it ended.

[@stephencarroll9935]

Look at it this way if he died in Vietnam no game of thrones at least before it went to shit S 7-8

[@dragunov815]

Jeepers.

[@brodieknight772]

FALSE George! Not everything was brown in the medieval ages, most commoners could afford to dye their clothes, just not very deeply. Hollywood wants everyone to think it was all brown, but in fact, almost nothing of human make was brown save for leather. Dying leather wasn't very easy. But overall, clothing was much more colourful then than it is now.

[@ky73pro37]

When it comes to Vietnam, you're actually more of a coward if you don't object to it.

[@NegativeAccelerate]

I would not have fought against the nazis

[@noname-mr7wq]

Why

[@NegativeAccelerate]

no name cuz I don’t feel comfortable killing and would rather stay with my family

[@qwormuli77]

Martin is an amazing writer, but he obviously isn't a historian.

[@qwormuli77]

@ClandestineOstrich He also has a bit romanticized(or more like, un-romanticized?) view of medieval combat and that people married and gave birth in the pre-teen/teen shift, which is completely false. But yeah, there are a lot worse one for sure and Martin is such a good writer, that this doesn't often even come in the way.

[@altamertamar1068]

Dam hippie

[@factbeaglesarebest]

Unlike Trump, Martin didn’t go to Vietnam for a real reason. He had true moral objections, and still engaged in alternate service.

[@Stevethyawesome]

Why didn't Trump go?

[@c.l.1820]

Still the same bro, even if you try to candy coat it.

[@NapoleonBonaparte5]

To stop communism in Vietnam was a worthy cause...

[@davidg5041]

He’s not wrong about what the draft board thought. I love his books but he’s still a coward. If he had lived during WW2 he would’ve tried to avoid service all the same.

[@brandonb9468]

I am sure the person that went in his stead appreciates his objections.

[@mankytoes]

Well apparently all they had to do was object to that draft board.

[@madnessends2477]

If you want to blame someone blame the greedy evil old men who sent young men to die for nothing.

[@notserious6458]

@The Law seek help

[@TheSaiyanPrincess89]

@The Law Oh geezus. You are wrong on so many levels, it's almost insane. Read some history books before spouting off such nonsense.

[@cipher88101]

Thought the reason was pretty clear, boy's got a lot of quit in him.

[@atic7910]

"Common people in the middle ages didn't dyed their clothing, it was a brown age" that's simply not true! I lost some respect for him right now

[@sizzlepants8525]

He ate an entire crab shack and got so fat it would have cost the US gov billions in fuel just to get him there?

[@stalinsghostux3318]

DRAFT DODGING PUSSY

[@mistermax3034]

Kinda lost a little respect for the guy here.

[@RogueEagle]

He explained his reasons..

[@mistermax3034]

@@RogueEagle His method of explaining his reasons was immature. Armchair warrioring yourself by saying something as presumptuous as "I'd fight the Nazis", was weak and unrealistic. There is no way that he could know what he would have done had he been a young man during WW2.

[@hungothanh4913]

he was fooled by the left!!!! America left and we, Vietnamese suffers by communism. As a conservative, I pity his ignorance. As a fan, I still love his work and his idea of the devastating of war.

[@ericstaples7220]

The Vietcong were every bit as evil as the Nazis. However, people who were cowards made it cool and hip to object the war. People like George were just following that trend. It's not unlike fashionable political trends we see today.

[@swedsteve93]

Supplying and eventually fighting alongside allies to stop the Nazi's who were taking over Europe Vs Sending insurgents into a country for years and years when we having nothing to do with them and then going to war when they ousted their own leader. The two are nothing alike

[@leonlawson2196]

America was worse - agent orange?

[@ThatCamel104]

@The Law Fascists get the bullet.

[@ThatCamel104]

@The Law nazis were still worse than thr vietcong

[@shilopnamreg6468]

3:30 he proves that he doesn’t know shit about real medieval history

[@paulreynolds9003]

Now we know where Donald Trump got his idea for a wall from.

[@williaminbody205]

Another damaged goods guy from Vietnam era.....

[@miguelram10]

Why would you fight against nazi but not communist?

[@s_e_r.]

Wow. Dude.

[@MaxisGameplays]

@@s_e_r. Comparing nazis to communists...

[@09nob]

Clearly you know nothing about the Vietnam war do your research before you make sweeping statements.

[@ThatCamel104]

@The Law you're insane. You might be a nazi too, but I will attribute your flawed worldview to stupidity rather than malice.

[@TheTendermen]

@@ThatCamel104 I think you are just proving his point, calling him, or attributing him to being a Nazi, because he doesn't agree with you o'so enlightened worldview

[@traditionalfascists3303]

America had no business in Germany either but

[@PapagenoMF]

Why would you make such a stupid statement? Stopping a genocide of a whole group of people was not America's business?

[@rj6782]

Until germany started to develop weapons of mass destruction and declares war on the US.

[@notserious6458]

These two situations were pretty different

[@JohnDoe-oh9wp]

Hairy Mo The vietcong butchered millions of their own people...

[@vitormelomedeiros]

@@PapagenoMF Well, this person is literally a fascist, which explains a lot.

[@SashJ.McMishmosh]

A very large clown

[@sudeepdhruwe6054]

What???????

[@hassanbassim4007]

Why would you fight against the Nazis but not against the Viets ? Nazis are also humans you know , if some of them killed some people then you gonna kill when you go to war and you will be no different than Nazis . I am not saying that you shouldn’t fight the Nazis , I am saying that wars must be for no reason and we should not classify people and decide to fight this and not fight that , because people who do this are hypocrites and usually controlled by their superiors like sheepes , wars are just a normal thing humans do to gain control and power over other weaker peoples and this is not a bad nor a good thing .

[@09nob]

Because the Vietcong weren't trying to take over the world like the Nazis, they just wanted the US out of their country and the aggressors were the US, it's an entirely different situation.

[@hassanbassim4007]

09nob what is wrong on taking over the world ? US is doming that nowadays and countless empires tried to do so .

[@09nob]

@@hassanbassim4007 Well I suppose if they say it in a pop song it must be a good thing right?

[@doublestrokeroll]

@@hassanbassim4007 well...let's see....this is tricky...but see if you can wrap your head around it.....It's a bit different when you scapegoat an entire group of people and then commit genocide against them. And your whole argument is totally illogical. Wars are most certainly NOT all the same. That's just fucking ridiculous.

[@hassanbassim4007]

doublestrokeroll you still don’t understand or comprehend the meaning of wars .