GEPRC Crocodile Baby: 4" HD Quad with almost 30 mins flight time!

[@yannickg6904]

Really loving all these new 4in quads now that we have good props to use on them. I have been dreaming of long flight times with a sub250g craft ever since I started in FPV and 4in props seemed like the best compromise, but nothing suitable was available.

[@JacobScherer]

I really wish DJI would update their firmware so Betaflight OSD info was recorded in DVR. Searching for lost quads is so much easier if you can review video for coordinates. The buzzer on this definitely helps.

[@Painless360]

I agree wholeheartedly. The option to save the telemetry data for playback and overlays when reviewing footage would be so helpful.. Happy flying

[@jibbajabba4597]

Short term solution is just don't turn off your googles, if the data disappears from the display just hit the back button (the one you can feel) and all the last data sent will pop back up on screen. Then just carrying a pen and paper in the flight bag to write those co-ordinates down is the solution.

[@robertmolnar7957]

Or add subtitle overlay in player .. since the already record it on sd card

[@jibbajabba4597]

Robert Molnar subtitle overlay doesn't log GPs co-ordinates.

[@robertmolnar7957]

@@jibbajabba4597 doh you're right.. well then add it there and play it :) i mean i would rather see it separate from video stream, once you corrupt video you can't restore it

[@NATGEOANDSTUFFPaulbrannan]

Would love a kwad with 28 mins flight time.we have the endurance you sent us but lipos very expensive.this is perfect size.we often do long range ish sessions with the groups.hoping one day we build towards purchasing dji just to show them the HD difference.they were lucky enough awhile ago to try orqa and instantly wanted them lol.maybe win the lotto one day.stay safe lee.

[@artie782]

Painless360. You are the best. I like watching your videos you provide a lot of information that helps us. Keep up the good work. I am looking forward to getting my Mini CROC and now my 7inch CROC will have a baby brother along side.

[@heliharris69]

Excellent review.....Yes... i agree with your comment regarding GEPRC quality built quads...I have had 4 different quads from them to date without a single issue occurring...This for sure will be my 5th... looks another quality built product from them and your flight video looks very nice indeed.

[@jt37218]

A lot of these light micro long range have this subtle jitter and bobble when cruising, look at the horizon closely , more so if there's a touch of wind but no one mentioned it. I have one Dave C frame design built with Vista months before the brand name released their. I noted this and seen the same in many YT reviewer/user footage.

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

I think this is clearly a very nice kwad. A copy of flywoos Explorer LR. Inspired by and in collaboration with Dave C who made a very well thought out kwad. To him go the praise and glory, Amen. 😃😄😄

[@jacobm5186]

I just got the analog version and love it. It's a great step up from my Tinyhawk S. My only issue is the current sensor doesn't seem to work. It always reports the same value. Does yours work?

[@Painless360]

I don't think it does..

[@preysner]

Jacob, how long did it take for you to receive? Did you get from Geprc directly?

[@flexplexico480]

Really? Damn - did you ever get this sorted out?

[@jacobm5186]

@@flexplexico480 I did, see the reply to my first post.

[@jacobm5186]

@@preysner I ordered it directly. I'm in Pennsylvania. It took about 3 weeks.

[@SickocrowAU]

Looking forward to the iFlight one with 3800kv motors. Easy 4" 3S cruiser, or 4S 3" ripper

[@caymandiver75]

Cool! Where did you hear about an iFlight version?

[@artie782]

I canceled my Flywoo LR order and order the new GepRc Mini CROCDILE since they still don’t have the Flywoo in stock. I already have the 7 inch big brother CROC with the added DJI FPV system.

[@Painless360]

This one seems to not suffer from the OSD problem that has been widely reported with the Flywoo unit too.. I hope you like it as much as I do..

[@netofpv8030]

Art where did you buy yours ?

[@artie782]

Directly from GEPRC they had them in stock when I ordered it . It’s on the way should take two weeks or longer to arrive. I would but one if you interested in one don’t wait. I am sure they will run out and you might be waiting a while . I had order a Flywoo LR and have been waiting months with no idea when it would so I canceled my order and order the Baby CROC. I already have the big brother the CROC7 with the DJI fpv system. Good luck. RcArtie

[@davideindelicato2523]

I'm thinking to cancel my Flywoo LR order too, not just because it's already 2 months I'm waiting with no estimated time of arrival but mainly because I saw that Flywoo LR has issues with GPS acquisition and VTX wiring. Do you have any suggestions about it ? Thanks in advance

[@netofpv8030]

@@davideindelicato2523 I'm waiting for my to arrive! I think is the best option now!

[@thisisspartan5953]

Excellent Video ZOHD LionPack 3000 mah for my geprc crocodile baby ....... I used to fly with 4s Lipo.... Do I have to make any change on my setup on (Betaflight or in the DJI fpv goggles) to get the Lion battery voltage reading ? I flue 1 time with the Lion pack and I get the low battery warning 5 minutes after take off. Thank you.

[@Ark__Angel]

Great review I think this looks a better option than the flywoo version

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

The all in one FC/ESC is a negative for some. Have to replace entire board if owt fails

[@mosephina]

Hi...I watched the unboxing, and reviewed the comments, but could not determine the actual camera on the quad. Is it DJI, or another manufacturer' that works with the vista? If you have the time, please reply

[@ChrisCroft77]

This seems better than the Flywoo micro long range quad. Waiting on reviews of iflight version also. Does come with battery pad?

[@Painless360]

Yes it does.

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

I like it has higher amp esc. So u can put higher pitch triblades to go faster and not go over amps much. Flywoo 13A GepRC 20A iFlight 35A (shorter flight times)

[@Life_a_bike]

Why can't I set aux 5 for GPS on this Bcroc? Works on all my other quads. No AUX limits in CLI. Does it just support 5 aux channels? Out of idea's..

[@steigj]

how deep can you safely and routinely discharge Li ion batteries for long battery life? Is 3V too low? I'm disappointed that there is no current sensor in the Baby Croc HD, so I have to go by voltage, time and intuition.

[@Painless360]

3v should be fine but I use 3.5-3.8v here and they seem happy.

[@MCsCreations]

Pretty amazing flying, Lee! Great review! 😃 I need to build something like that! But it's going to have to be with analog stuff, maybe a Caddx Tarsier or RunCam Hybrid... Because the DJI system is too much expensive for me. 😕 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

[@gmivisualsjason3729]

The concern with those are that they interfere with the GPS. ☹️

[@MCsCreations]

@@gmivisualsjason3729 Even the RunCam Hybrid? 😮

[@Painless360]

The only camera system I've found that upset a properly mounted GPS was the test camera from the ByteFrost test rig. If you mount the GPS sensibly I've never had an issue..

[@bwasfpv]

4inch LR hype is real..i should get one of this..it looks amazing

[@ethkid8925]

Would you say this exact quad flies better with 3S 18650 instead of 4S 18650? Background: I am just trying to build the lightest O3 quad that easily flies for over 15 minutes for exploring on trips. Saw all the 4" LR Models but all seem to recommend 4S instead of 3S. (3S is minimum to have enough voltage for O3..). I though the extra 50g make it more sluggish. (I know +1 18650 is 15% more weight for 33% more voltage & energy, but then you could argue, get a 7" lol)

[@Painless360]

I've honestly not tried it. Let me know if you do... best of luck

[@oliviermagere]

Where did you order the long range lion battery? So far only finding it direct from geprc with a hefty shipping charge.

[@Painless360]

I've had mine for a while. I ordered mine with the Croc Baby 4"..Happy flying

[@hakancakirkan2319]

great package and reviewing. It looks to be a nice quadcopter

[@patrickcolclough2423]

Informative video as usual Painless, cheers. Though I'm confused about the idea of fitting a high-powered video transmitter with good antennas on a DJI vista system?

[@Painless360]

I don't understand the question...

[@matthewsaw1444]

Forgive me if this question has already been asked but, what use are these long range fpv drones if the laws in most countries don't allow flying out of line of sight?

[@Painless360]

This is an endurance drone. It's also about how long you can fly....

[@aarrodri]

what connector does the drone come with XT30 or XT60? i know its easy to change just wondering to order the battery

[@Painless360]

Xt30. Detail in link in description

[@rumuru98]

Caddx vista dji camera can be fit to the camera mount? (instead of the horrible caddx nebula)

[@DanielStinebaugh]

Wish they made this with a runcam split for the onboard recording option.

[@greatestever6325]

What transmitter will bind right up to this that is affordable

[@zira_fluff4105]

Great review. Would the DJI FPV Air Unit fit in this frame? I want to get the croc baby 4 without the receiver option and fit the Air Unit in (if possible). Thanks! Just subbed

[@Painless360]

Not without modifications. You can see how snug the one fitted is... Happy flying

[@zira_fluff4105]

@@Painless360 Hey thanks for the follow up. I'll keep an eye out for more of your content

[@djdubz]

Nice review. How's the flight tune compared to the Flywoo explorer? The explorer tune is on point and buttery smooth. How do you thnk the Crocodile Baby 4 flies compared to the Flywoo Explorer? I know it's not for acro, but how's the acro feel when you feel like it doing some flippy floppys?

[@Painless360]

If you want Acro then there are probably better models... Happy flying

[@djdubz]

​@@Painless360 Thanks for the reply Paineless. Actually not wanting full on acro, just asking how it handles it. My Flywoo explorer can do acro just fine. Obviously doesn't have the punch as my 5", but it's lighter, so you you compensate and acro accordingly. The Explorer handles acro just fine with those things in mind. To rephrase my question: How does the geprc baby crocodile handle flips, rolls, etc? Did you try any? Would love to see you do some in a video.

[@ZabDevin]

djdubz [dbzfpv] He should just say “I don’t know.” LOL.

[@djdubz]

@@ZabDevin Right! LOL.

[@ZabDevin]

@@djdubz LOL

[@utchiepulini]

With the lion battery, will it be able to carry a naked gopro? Wacha think?

[@Painless360]

Maybe - it has enough power...

[@artie782]

Question GEPRC offers the battery GEPRC VTC6 18650 4S1P 3000 mAh battery for the plug it gives you two options XT30 or XT60. Which one do I get for the Baby Croc 4??

[@Painless360]

Xt30

[@sheapyfpv8224]

Is the camera recording on the vista any good? Could you use insta go or naked go pro on this like the explorer?

[@Painless360]

DVR footage from the goggles in the video.. You can see what it is like from this model..

[@adrivisuals]

The Crocodile comes with an LHCP Antenna, ist it possible to change to an RHCP one? Or will it not compatible with the Drone?

[@Painless360]

The DJI kit is LHCP.. Not sure what you're asking..

[@adrivisuals]

@@Painless360 I want to buy the Caddx Tarsier 4K Version. The drone come with an LHCP Antenna. My question is if I want to change to an RHCP Antenna if it's compatible?

[@Painless360]

Not with the DJI goggles, they use LHCP antennas by default.... (see previous answer)

[@sakibian01]

I need some help. I was building the cb4 myself but i cant solder the gps correctly. Can you help me? Which ports are for gps in this gep f4 20 are dedicated for gps?

[@Painless360]

Not sure, you will need a spare I. I would check the manual.. Best of luck

[@rueda82nd]

Does the OSD flicker on and off like the Flywoo Explorer LR. Looks like nice quad I really like GepRC they do make quality stuff, have one really love it👍🏻🤜🏻

[@Painless360]

Not in the DJI goggles...

[@rueda82nd]

Painless360 ok I got the Flywoo with DJI and there was an issue with softserial being used. A lot of people complaining about this issue, glad that Geprc doesn’t have this problem might be a great selling point for them 👍🏻

[@mdeketelaere541]

it probably will. downgrade betaflight.

[@xigxagz]

@@rueda82nd Yep.. same issue with my Flywoo LR here; the OSD info coming and going in the DJI goggles..drives me nuts ! So, I ordered a GEPRC Baby Croc also. My 3rd copter from them. They do make quality stuff !!

[@ZabDevin]

J Michael What’s the delivery time? Regular or express?

[@Jayvb-ml8li]

I updated my fc and now abunch of settings that came with it are not there anymore.. ??

[@marcocristalli]

Have you ordered it from the Official Website? Is there any custom duty fee? Thanks for your review!

[@Painless360]

Any import has the potential to catch import fees... Happy flying

[@kamikazeoo1484]

I've got thepnp/bnf crocodile baby can't figure out how to bind need help thanks

[@Painless360]

See my DJI setup video on how to so that.. best of luck

[@willay747]

Great little quad! Does it come with the battery? I don't see that when I click on your links???

[@Painless360]

Detail in description - it will need to be ordered separately..

[@willay747]

Painless360 ok I see, I just saw yours was in the box so thought it was all part of the kit. Thanks!

[@ZabDevin]

baddb1 It was in the box as if it came with the drone. @Painless360 did you purchase the drone, or was it given to you to review?

[@olivierf.4931]

is this battery compatible with other regular drones?

[@Painless360]

Only ones with low enough amp draw..

[@caymandiver75]

Any black box capability? Don’t see mention of any onboard memory.

[@cyberfastfred]

Thank you for this review. I think it will be my next quad. Do you know if we can reverse the props rotation?

[@Painless360]

I don't see why not...

[@cyberfastfred]

@@Painless360 Just because it's an AIO board. I have an other question. Your footage seems a little bit shaky. Is it due to the wind. I would like to have a quad without problem of tuning and vibration.

[@FlyNorthRC]

Do you have a dump file to share? Bought one used and it's been ruined...

[@Painless360]

Check out the description.. Happy flying

[@FlyNorthRC]

@@Painless360 how did I miss that 🤦 Thank you!

[@grandykim]

Can anybody help? I bought the croc baby4 with the new AIO (GEP-F7-35A) and accidentally wiped the CLI file. The GEPRC website download section only has the CLI for the old flight controller (F411). My croc came with the GEP-F7-35A (STM32F722RET6) and the factory website only has the F4 CLI dump. Does anybody else own this quad and can share the CLI file?

[@grandykim]

I thought "RESET" in betaflight meant reset to factory... They should just call it "ERASE ALL"

[@Painless360]

Mine is the F4 version. Best of luck

[@grandykim]

@@Painless360 geprc sent the correct cli dump. Thanks for checking yours.

[@grandykim]

Got it. Geprc sent it pretty quick. I'm just impatient and expect them to work on weekends...lol

[@johncarold]

Hi Painless 360 I just looked at your video and I was really liking the Crocodile Baby 4in but I still fly analog and I just looked up the Baby 4in and I was thinking that I would use a AKK VTX and a Ratel starlight but then I seen the recommended parts it said that I needed it doesn't come with MOTORS. I will pass but thanks again for the information

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

It comes with 1404 2750Kv motors. VTx and runcam nano 2 . Then u can replace vtx and fpv cam. I have akk fx2 ultimate waiting to go in explorer lr. And think either ratel or a Phoenix 4.

[@geminianomultitopicos7925]

how much weight it lifts

[@ZabDevin]

Thank you for the video. Do you have any idea of the actual range (I know the specs)? Range test?

[@Painless360]

It depends on what power you can use on the DJI stuff. 4km is the usual max range.. Happy flying

[@ZabDevin]

@@Painless360 Thanks.

[@Oppozith]

Hi! Have you managed to make current sensor working?

[@Painless360]

Nope. Happy flying

[@artie782]

Painless360. Question? So I can call you by your name what is your name? My name is Art Rodriguez from Anaheim, California (home the original Disneyland) What country do you reside?. Keep posting the good info.

[@Painless360]

Full details on my Patreon page and website. Links in the description.. happy flying!

[@artie782]

Thanks

[@Digit-Did-It]

Could you fit a full sized air unit in there if you bought the bare frame?

[@Painless360]

I don't think think so..

[@bizzfpv]

What is the amp rating on the supplied Lith-ion? At 3000mah I'd guess 15A?

[@Painless360]

The C rating is on the pack and in the specs.. It's a bit more than that. Happy flying

[@wyomingoutdoors]

besides the li-ion which size lipo would be best?

[@Painless360]

One about the same weight. I'd strongly recommend that you use the LiIon pack with this...

[@509FUN]

“Telegraph poles” wow that dates ya eh? Lol! Great review!

[@skyracer7402]

why even bother with these drones when you can just get a dji

[@AlvinYeoh]

Any idea if the GPS is configured for 10Hz update rate or is it still on 1Hz?

[@Painless360]

No idea. It works though..

[@filippolewaczyk]

whats about jello ? Geprc has soft camera printed TPU mount

[@Painless360]

I don't understand the question. This is the GepRC model and the video is shown in the video...

[@Likehunter88]

Come with baterry?thanks

[@Painless360]

No. See the website. Happy flying

[@mrkokobebe]

The flying footage used DJI remote? Have you unlock to 700mv for that fly? Thank you for your review, u a the only one test this model, so your review is very important for who want to buy it.

[@Painless360]

Footage from goggles DVR and using DJI FPV controller . 700 mW isn't available in the EU..

[@carlosfuhrer]

Would you recommend this quad over the flywoo explorer lr?

[@Painless360]

Not tried that one..

[@davidknapp864]

Video mentioned a Dump...Diff file will be listed? Does anyone have one for this quad.

[@Painless360]

Link in description. Happy flying!

[@davidknapp864]

@@Painless360 Thanks so much. Great review. Setting one up for a friend.

[@mikebsadventures6178]

Will a naked GoPro work on this quad?

[@Painless360]

It has plenty of power so probably.. Best of luck

[@dronepilot1333]

Will you get close to 50 minutes flight time if a 4S2P Li-ion is used?

[@Painless360]

Not sure, I guess it depends on the extra weight it'll add and how much extra capacity..

[@alphaadhito]

Probably with 21700 batteries

[@JulianGoesPro]

Does the fc have a baro and the gps a compass so I can use it with iNav stuff? :)

[@Painless360]

No. The clue is do they appear in the sensors in Betaflight?

[@RollnHeavyKevy]

Does this have a Barometer? Would this be good for inav?

[@Painless360]

No and no.

[@erregi67]

Can anyone help me ? I dont have the softserial port in my cocrodile baby4 . Can i install it? In what mode? Can send me the cli?

[@Painless360]

Links to the dump and diff files in the description..

[@RCjunkie]

Does it come with a spektrum RX?

[@Painless360]

Full details are on the website. Link in description.. Happy flying

[@RCjunkie]

will the Frsky XM+ Receiver work with Spektrum RX

[@Painless360]

No, those are completely different. kzbin.info/www/bejne/lYqxg42Mf66fbc0 explains it..

[@filiped7298]

They have RTF kit with a tango 2 and DJI goggles. 🤤 dear Santa... ☺️

[@mdeketelaere541]

tango 2 PRO :-) it's a crazy offer

[@filiped7298]

Mechelsbroek Vliegt yeah. It sucks to have mortgages 🤣

[@jamiehill9578]

Can't find the bind button to bind to my controller 🎮

[@Painless360]

Analogue? DJI Digital HD FPV?

[@kamaleaFPV]

it's a real long-range or just a long cruiser?

[@Painless360]

Longer flight times plus a longer range FPV system on it...

[@johnwu8764]

30min means what range of flying

[@Painless360]

Depends on average speed. If you assume 20mph that's 10 miles total. 5 miles each way.. Depends on how you fly and the current you draw..

[@bodeksrc8007]

It's not that "obvious" with that battery, they normally comes without one :(

[@johnnydepp4114]

now comes the copy paste drones :)

[@steve_beatty]

DJI meh...Liion cells however..work very well for loads up to about 15 amps. I have 21 minutes on my 7" source one DeadCat running 4s1p 18650 3000 mah cells. It's only drawing around 10 amps in cruising flight and they come down just warm to the touch...I get my loose cells from /www.18650batterystore.com

[@Painless360]

Indeed - check out my endurance build from a few years ago using LI-ION. Happy flying!

[@angelisfpv]

As amazing as this is I expected them to make it for sub 250g flying like the explorer lr

[@Pamir2k]

With a 4S Lion pack, the Flywoo is around the same weight, see here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jHubm6h_apt3hdU

[@jjkeaton7085]

Whats the lowest voltage you'd take that li-on battery to?

[@Painless360]

3.7v per cell.. LiIon packs can go lower but I like to treat them with a little care.. Happy flying

[@divingfalconfpv4602]

2.5v absolute minimum. 3.0v what it should bounce back to after unplugged.