Damn, I just realized that watching these channels is the same as watching QVC but more niche///// What a way to spend your life.
@billschannel11163 жыл бұрын
Oh my God, did you see last night's Gem segment? Who knew gems came in leopard print.
@ramcka7894 жыл бұрын
I own the GH06 head and love it. One thing I learned while flipping thought the manual is to unlock, and loosen the drag when traveling with it, I assume that’s because if it gets bumped, it won’t break anything. Also, be careful with the using e-image plate, on certain Manfrotto heads it’s not a perfect fit, but can work. Edit: Happy New Year!
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Happy new year! And yeah, generally it's best to not store any fluid head completely locked down. Good tip!
@imdavemtz4 жыл бұрын
Can you use arca swis plate on the ball head ?
@JesseDriftwood4 жыл бұрын
I’ve been needing to upgrade my fluid head for years! Super helpful info dude!
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jesse! 🤓🙏
@thekaiser43333 жыл бұрын
Sachtler fsb-8
@matthijsdedeugd4 жыл бұрын
The bloopers cracked me up 😂 so recognizable! I always find myself staring into the camera trying to find the words, and then reconsidering all life choices in the meantime 🤪 keep it up Gerald, informative content and now humor = gold!
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🍌👍
@networkedperson3 жыл бұрын
@@geraldundone it would be nice if you would not promote such an anti-social company
@insanejughead4 жыл бұрын
Finally someone has acknowledged E-image's existence. I have a boom pole from them and have no complaints about it.
@matt.pereira2 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Whilst this video may be older than some, the information is still valid ... I have been in a quandary recently about what video tripod to get, to replace my woefully inadequate current system -I managed to get myself a combo kit of the GH6 Fluid Head and Carbon Fibre legs - Marvellous!!!!! Thanks a lot !!!
@jakeschannel10664 жыл бұрын
Hi, I'm Gerald Undone and (stare at the camera and say nothing for 10 seconds)
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide4 жыл бұрын
The previous one i had to slowdown speed at 75 % to keep up ...😂😂🙌
@justoalejandrogonzalez50974 жыл бұрын
YES
@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide4 жыл бұрын
@@krane15 haha ..true ..its gotta be stronger ... What's 'Geralds' brand ? Wanna tune in on that frequency ..lol
@EposVox4 жыл бұрын
I'm Gerald Undone and I'm a video head.
@AustralianImage4 жыл бұрын
The Benro S8 (that's not talked about very often) is an excellent and reasonably priced fluid head capable of holding 8kg, yet holds my 9kg rig without issue. The tilt and pan are very smooth, whether moving individually or in tandem. The tilt and pan also have infinite drag adjustment and it has a three stage counter-balance for varying weight cameras. It's a flat base fluid head, but Benro sell ball adapters (or any brand will do), so it can work with any type of tripod. I also have an E-Image GHO3F fluid head, which has a lower capacity, but it's not as well made. Gimbal heads are also potentially useful, even for video cameras, especially if you're following any form of action with a large lens.
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tips and suggestion! Cheers.
@NICUofficial2 жыл бұрын
Super-useful for the filming I'm about to do for my synths / music channel. I got the Manfrotto 502AH since it was so frequently recommended as a standard workhorse. I'm a musician & songwriter, not a filmmaker, so I'm just looking for "no-brainer solid choice" type filming gear that's very high value for the money. Still feel like I made a solid choice with the Manfrotto, especially since I'm such a noob. This also helped serve as a tutorial on tripods and heads. Thanks again
@randomk78973 жыл бұрын
Dude, you are seriously becoming one of my favorite gear reviewers.
@americansafarico6 ай бұрын
Most excellent. I started this video knowing zero about video tripods/heads. I feel like I know what I don’t know now.
@ACDGibson4 жыл бұрын
I rented some gear for a music video shoot and I've been using manfrotto 502 for the first time. I liked it enough to start thinking about buying it. You can get the job done with it. In the long run though, the lack of numerical drag settings would be a pain in the as#. Also the mount could drive you crazy because while panning the head might become loose. I tried to screw it really hard on to the tripod and accidentally I screw the pan drag ring also and could not move it. I had to ask my friend for help to unscrew it! He held it and I had to twist it! I can see this GH06 ticks a lot of boxes and I think it's worth it.
@JetFuelOnly22 күн бұрын
Thanks for touching on some other little topics besides just the heads. Excellent. video execution.
@kacpermichno4 жыл бұрын
Big shout out to the Velbon PH 368. It is magic for the price. I love the GH06. IT CHANGED MY LIFE
@marekmucha23004 жыл бұрын
Man! I bought a monopod and fluid head yesterday! It’s like you were reading my mind! I have chosen Sirui brand tho.
@gcprost4 жыл бұрын
I have a Manfrotto 502 and I'd agree with you comments. I also have two Manfrotto 504's which are a bit bigger. The locks are better positioned. They have a lighted level which is easier to see. I'd prefer to have more range on the preload, and now that I have a drop-in quick release plate on another tripod, I'd say that is a valuable feature. I also have a gear head which is very similar to the pan tilt head but it is much easier to get very precise positioning. I use this for my wide shot when I'm doing concerts, live theatre, and dance shows. It allows me to precisely frame the stage. On this tripod and head I have attached the Small Rig drop-in Manfrotto plate quick release. This is an excellent unit and I highly recommend it.
@Stone11084 жыл бұрын
Hi Gerald, happy new year to you. i’ve subscribed to and watched your channel regularly for some time now. I watch KZbin regularly, a broad mix (mainly photography and moto blogs), you should know that your channel is right up there with the best. I just wanted you to know that in my view you are getting it DUNN, we’ll done it’s evident how much work you put in and that’s to be applauded, you deserve your KZbin success. Please don’t burn out. Have a great year. 👏
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Andrew! That's very encouraging and highly appreciated. Means a lot. Cheers! 💜🙏🙏
@martinXY2 жыл бұрын
Love my 502. We got one in at work, I used it, then I bought one for myself at home. Panning is so smooth. Plus with the long plate, I can balance a a teleprompter setup consisting of a teleprompter, camera and a second 502 weighing somewhere near 10kg.
@creativesymon4 жыл бұрын
The Manfrotto Nitrotech 612 is a genuinely awesome head and a fantastic upgrade on the flawed Nitrotech 12 that was release not too much earlier.
@EmoEmu4 жыл бұрын
I own two video heads. I've never used them. I still sit here and listen to more reviews.
@Thedudemannn2 жыл бұрын
HEY GERALD ! Could you do a 2022 updated version of this video for best tripod heads and sticks this year ? Thanks :)
@HotRodHippie4 жыл бұрын
I really like my Benro S7 head. For $180 on B&H it's got great smooth pan and tilt control with separate locks. I wish it had a slightly better counter balance when I have my Atomos on camera, but that's asking a lot. Also Benro sells Bowl adapters for flat heads, that's what I'm using on my S7 setup.
@Pharesm3 жыл бұрын
Great, detailed comparison! I only regret, that in 2020, the iFootage K7 Fluid head wasn't out yet, which seems to give the same features as the GH-06 in a smaller package with matching features for ~$350
@toofy72532 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. I'll look into this and it might save my wallet today 👍
@smjsychj Жыл бұрын
Is iFootage K7 a real fluid head or "fluid motion" head? E-Image GH06 is a real hydrolic head with fluid cartriages
@nauticfilms4 жыл бұрын
Uff. You just reminded me that I can call myself SO happy to own a good old Sachtler SB 6 and the tiny little brother, the long out of production Sachtler "Hollywood", made before the DSLR revolution, to a much higher standard than their ACE offerings today. Puh, one gear issue I don't have to think about.
@thisisscotts4 жыл бұрын
Love my GC752 tripod, but I elected to go with the Benro BV6H head. Not sure how it compares to the e-image head, but I'm very happy with the combo.
@michaelpoczynek3 жыл бұрын
Excellent info. I am learning some stuff. Never knew you should balance a camera on a tripod. Thanks.
@VllKlNG4 жыл бұрын
The BH06 looks really good. The one downside I can see is the clicking noise it makes when you change adjustments. Hopefully you don't have to adjust while recording! Thanks for the tips and review!
@tallguytrav2 жыл бұрын
I can't imagine needing to adjust these settings while shooting. You set up the tripod, adjust the settings to the weight of your camera and then go. Unless your camera is changing weight while shooting (I can't imagine a scenario where that would happen) you should be good.
@benoitlandot54754 жыл бұрын
Love the bloopers ! As always, hank you very much for the review. I had come to the very same conclusion Manfrotto vs E-image.
@98JamesNixon4 жыл бұрын
Bought the GH06 head thanks, very good fluid head and so much smoother then my old manfrotto
@ShaneCarrigan4 жыл бұрын
Instead of making a new video about fluid head mechanics you defer to one that already exists, so instead of over-saturating the platform to make a little more money with a video, you credit another expert and save everyone a little bit of time. Thats integrity. You rock. #GoodGuyGerald ...It's why I continue to trust what I am being told on your channel, 'preciate ya Gerald, keep going!
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Shane! Means a lot. 🙏💜🤓
@Leonelrm934 жыл бұрын
6:40 Here Gerald mentions an acceleration to overcome. It is more appropriate to discuss the forces one has to overcome as the sum of all of the forces determines what kind of acceleration or pan/tilt occurs. Either there is a static friction or static fluid resistance that needs to be overcome since those static forces are larger than the kinetic or moving resistances which lead to a more comfortable tilt or pan. These resistance forces (friction and drag) are dependent on the amount of force between the surfaces and fluids respectively which is dependent on the shape and materials of the head as well as the distribution of mass of the camera, hence Gerald's earlier boxy camera comment. Keep in mind that there is rotation involved so a more in-depth analysis is required than simply pushing a box along the ground. Thanks for the video Gerald! Recently subscribed!
@innstikk4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for making the purchase so easy this time. Looking forward to test the GH06 out.
@steveschnetzler54714 жыл бұрын
Wish I had seen this before I bought my first and second fluid head. This is one area I would invest the money in a good one first. Bad ones are really unusable for anything but photo work. Also, save you back and go light weight or put it on rollers (with locks) for the studio.
@joshdrewpic4 жыл бұрын
WHOOOO!! Was just looking for a solid vid on this. THANK YOU!!
@fasti89934 жыл бұрын
Great video, very helpful. I like that your comparative reviews end up with a clear recommendation! Many youtubers do reviews and tell you that every product has its advantages but don't make a decision. I like your new setup, especially the camera angles. The only thing that I don't like about it is that als your new backdrop doesn't have any structure und therefore some times there are some prominet banding artifacts visible in the background
@MeridianMedia4 жыл бұрын
As always, thank you for providing such helpful, thoughtful, and thorough content.
@semurgid40824 жыл бұрын
Just the best KZbin-channel about video. Tried for for some months to stay away from subscribing at your channel. But so many useful video. I give up)))
@J.Arnold4 жыл бұрын
My god, I've never seen your content before but had to instantly sub after that blooper reel at the end. lol That was a fantastic explanation of the different dimensions of consideration that a newbie like me doesn't even think about before buying a pair of sticks. Thank you!
@avdcam4 жыл бұрын
For a tiny bit more money Camgear have some good options too. The DV6P comes in a kit that is $1066 CAD (dvshop) and provides a a little more weight and more counterbalance adjustment points. And hey if you are in Canada they service them in the GTA, too. It's design is heavily influenced by Sachtler and rumor has it the enginners are folks who left Sachtler to use their expired patents to make the more budget friendly camgear heads. Love the videos, keep them coming!
@charlieross-BRM3 жыл бұрын
I finally quit screwing around and ordered that exact E-Image combination this past July and it's immediately obvious how it differs from the lower category of products. It was a significant expense (much more than $700 now) but no regrets.
@bcnewsvideo4 жыл бұрын
I have the E-Image GH10 that comes with 100-mm bowl and carbon fibre tripod. Probably one of the better rigs out there for the price. I especially like the monolock system for adjusting the legs.
@98JamesNixon4 жыл бұрын
Got the GH06 fluid head and tripod for £475 for an upcoming project, thanks for the help!
@kelloghill Жыл бұрын
Great info! And nice touch on the out takes... 🤣 thank you!
@ConstructionKronies4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Again! I just bought the Manfrotto 504hd + 546B with my bmpcc4k rig and am still learning how to use it.
@4ksydneyeventvideographer8064 жыл бұрын
E-Image delivers the absolute quality and joy of operating, while others have the bigger names and prices (we been using 6 of the E-image for 10 years), I don't care it's made in China, It's unbeatable.
@GeraldBertramPhotography4 жыл бұрын
It's 2020 so I'm trying this one again: "I'm Gerald Undone. The second best Gerald on KZbin."
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
NEVER! 🤣👍
@SarahJonestoo Жыл бұрын
Brilliant as ever. . . and this will inform my purchase later today!
@CLesley894 жыл бұрын
Lmao I was just searching up and pricing fluid heads for a rig that I am configuring for my job, and for my own personal setup. Looked at my phone and saw you just released a video on them. Your timing seriously could not have been better.
@SpencerStarnes Жыл бұрын
lol first time Ive listened to the into on headphone. The fidelity!!
@gcprost2 жыл бұрын
One type of head I find very useful in my work is a gear head. I use this for my wide shot on Multicam shoots. It allows me to make fine adjustments easily. I use Manfrotto 504’s for my fluid heads with the legs that came with the kit.
@dufflyon89034 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this! Building up my camera kit, this video came up at just the right time as I was planning on tripod options.
@robertfeliciano57234 жыл бұрын
Wow, you just saved me $2,000. I was looking at the Sachtler Flowtech with one of their fluid heads.
@michaels30034 жыл бұрын
You should split it and send a half of it to Gerald.
@robertfeliciano57234 жыл бұрын
@@michaels3003 I bought it through his link, he got his cut. Random note: Guiliani was there when I was picking it up.
@TommyCallaway4 жыл бұрын
Are.. you.. me? Lol! I just picked up two separate Sachtler fluid heads in the past week (just for use), but was planning a video on them already, comparing the same iFootage head, and a cheap ebay head.
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Ooooh! I love Sachtler. I'd be interested in seeing that video.
@alex05894 жыл бұрын
"Are you me?" Is something i ask Gerald a lot, seems to be talking about subjects im looking into within a week. Im also canadian and cant speak english either.
@BentleyPascoe4 жыл бұрын
Perfect timing! I was actually just starting my search for a fluid-head set up. Thanks for the details Gerald!
@gotscottgreen4 жыл бұрын
Love my Manfrotto 502, works really well when shoot stuff at a far distance too when zooming in and out (live theater, dance recitals, etc). Smooth, easy to adjust. I also bought the extension arm so I can use it sitting with a remote easier as well. It's great!
@daleb1944 жыл бұрын
🤯 Great video and information!! Thanks for the effort and great video
@rondonski1014 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Very informative but it's hard to see what you're doing with the equipment when you have a dark background, black shirt, and not enough light on the black products that you show. I can't see the product clearly. Sony product demos are well lit.
@thebee183 жыл бұрын
Turn up your brightness brother
@DennisJacobsenWildlife3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this one :) i got the e-image setup after seeing this review and love it!
@lynnm80812 жыл бұрын
Very helpful, entertaining and well put together! Thank you. 😊
@InnovativeGadgets4 жыл бұрын
I've have just found and purchased a nice head. I'm very excited waiting to receive it!
@OuglandMedia2 жыл бұрын
That GH06 looks smooth. Been looking for a good and cheap head for some time. I see this video is 2 years old now, do you have any other recommendations for a good videohead now, or is this one still a bargain? :)
@robertfeliciano57234 жыл бұрын
I bought the head/tripod combo via your link. The quick adjustment on the legs is fantastic, it definitely sped up my shoot.
@harrisongang3 жыл бұрын
Hey Robert, where did you purchase your combo, and how much was it?
@robertfeliciano57233 жыл бұрын
@@harrisongang $699 @ B&H. If I knew the price would go up 50%, I would have bought 2 more.
@harrisongang3 жыл бұрын
@@robertfeliciano5723 Thanks Robert. I will try to wait for a price drop. This definitely looks like the combo I need.
@harrisongang3 жыл бұрын
@@robertfeliciano5723 By the way, did you get the carbon fiber tripod, or the aluminum?
@robertfeliciano57233 жыл бұрын
@@harrisongang Carbon.
@jeremyhaage72514 жыл бұрын
Anyone have comparisons between the e-image gh06 and other heads in the same price range? $400-500 USD. The Manfrotto shown in this video is 1/3 the price and I see they have other offerings around the $400 USD mark (504HD and Nitrotech N8). I'm not surprised the gh06 head is better than the 502 head, but curious if other heads priced similarly are roughly comparable.
@16strato4 жыл бұрын
"I'm Gerald undone and don't forget to feed your camera some carrots"
@wcsdiaries3 жыл бұрын
how does the manfrotto 502 compare to m500AH?
@16strato3 жыл бұрын
@@wcsdiaries sorry, this is my brother who said it one year ago
@wcsdiaries3 жыл бұрын
@@16strato how does the manfrotto 502 compare to m500AH?
@joyoffilming95004 жыл бұрын
Gerald, another head that would be worth to take a look at is the relatively new Manfrotto Nitrotech 608 Fluid Head. It is the successor of the famous N8 with lots of improvements. After I had watched your video I wanted to go for the E-Tech head that you recommend in your video, but I could not get it in Germany. So, after a review of a German film making magazine, I bought the 608, and I am more than happy with it, especially when mounting my S1H with an adapted Sigma Sports 120-300mm f.8 (which is a heavy beast) onto it. It is buttery soft with exact amount of resistance and great to balance. But one need to know that it comes with a flat bottom instead of a ball that needs to be purchased separately. For me this is perfect as I can re-use a good Manfrotto tripot and mount the head on a slider.
@joenicklo4 жыл бұрын
Good review as always. I’ve had TWO of the Manfrotto fluid heads freeze up on me on the pan. Had to send them out for warranty repair. My third one has been fine.
@usernamehandle2 жыл бұрын
This intro gets me every time
@MatthPeder2 жыл бұрын
Too bad the GH06 Head with Carbon Fiber Legs is now $1049. I'm considering just going with the aluminum legs combo for $849 and dealing with the extra pound of weight.
@davidells81463 жыл бұрын
Did the price go up on the e-image? I'm seeing $1000 for the head and legs combo everywhere.
@dimelodya3 жыл бұрын
same.
@Nickporter174 жыл бұрын
Just got my GH06 in the mail. It's is buttery smooth but the first click of counter balance is too strong to hold my a7iii in place unassisted.
@orlando96664 жыл бұрын
Hi, I’m Gerald Undone... don’t forget about the white balance. While looking very serious and wide eyed
@krzysztofzwolinski9564 жыл бұрын
Plus wrong white balance is set.
@AJandGeorgie4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the great video! super informative. Purchased the Fluid Head&Legs Kit- and subscribed✅
@JoeMustang994 жыл бұрын
I can hike some for wildlife video with the K5 but not with the Manfrotto! But the K5 slight jerkiness at start/stop of movement is definitely a problem. Most of the time I just have to live with it or try to edit it out. First choice is definitely the Manfrotto when I can handle the weight. Great video. Thanks
@braddahbill81312 жыл бұрын
Can the GH06 Head be converted to flat base? I have a tripod with a bowl type leveler but not sure the GH06 Head would fit that bowl.
@alexarroyo12673 жыл бұрын
You are amazing dude. That was awesome! Thank you SO much!
@AllThingsFilm14 жыл бұрын
Informative. And I love those outtakes. LOL. Happy 2020.
@MindzEyz4 жыл бұрын
I use the Manfrotto Nitrotech N8. The counterbalancing is incredible. I oaired it with the eImage sticks and Sirui 75mm ball. Nice combo.
@MindzEyz4 жыл бұрын
Also i have rig risers on all the tripods to allow for easy battery swaps too.
@XxmattitudexX4 жыл бұрын
the e image looks nice, i went with an older occoner 30 that came with some old gitza sticks 75 +350 for rebuild .huge difference from the cheaper heads ive used in the past
@creativegreats69242 жыл бұрын
What do you mean rebuilt?
@XxmattitudexX2 жыл бұрын
@@creativegreats6924 Guy in hollywood still has the parts not sure exactly what they do assume seals and whatever else is needed
@creativegreats69242 жыл бұрын
@@XxmattitudexX it's a business that does rebuilds .I'm near Hollywood
@miriammoriarty85883 жыл бұрын
Great comparison. I'm just starting so I'm going to go with the bargain basement Neewer fluid head tripod for $80 while I'm learning. Hoping the Gh5 IBIS smooths it out.
@Roz-Inspire-Video2 жыл бұрын
Evergreen cheers Gerald …thanks
@nazhif14 жыл бұрын
I've been using the Manfrotto 500A Fluid head for years now and it's been great. But recently I'm starting to use bigger A7 rigs with V mount and the tilt lock on the 500A can't hold it. I was planning to get the 502 but the GH06 seems intriguing
@MrCameraJunkie4 жыл бұрын
Really enjoying the end time blooper footage. 😁👍🏽
@jeradhill4 жыл бұрын
Congrats on the 100k subs!!
@geraldundone4 жыл бұрын
Thanks, Jerad!
@92OnTV4 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year !!! And congrats for 100K :)
@martin_wood4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the 502 checks alot of boxes, but as a slider operator, having the tilt knob on the same knob as the arm (right side) kills my vibe. Tilting with my right hand and locking it down with my left hand is huge for me on set.
@spielundzeug3 жыл бұрын
I'm a big fan of number 2!
@alexanderevgin282 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot for the video, BUT... Oh god, why ALL the reviewers always has the focus pulled on themselves instead of the product... That's so annoying... I'm happy to see you, man, but I'm here to take a look at the product!
@CaseyHardman4 жыл бұрын
Hope you had a great Christmas and New Years brother! I'm still using a Manfrotto 128RC from several years back and have had no issues with it. Pairing it with the Manfrotto 055XPROB legs, but I'd like to get lighter iFootage TC6 legs eventually.
@garybrown97193 жыл бұрын
Im looking at the Mongoose M-2.3 Gimball Head One for everything
@shammyh4 жыл бұрын
Starting off 2020 strong. Excellent content!
@timbeaton50454 жыл бұрын
Happy New Year! A new video!
@juliosnap3 жыл бұрын
PSA: I don't think the k5 has the problem that gerald mentions. I don't know if they've improved it somehow but I just ordered it to see for myself and it's great. As long as you set the lock correctly, there's no initial jerk, and I'm able to go from static shots to panning/tilting without jerkiness. The fact that my rig is fairly heavy might be a contributor to that, but it's a pretty amazing product for the price.
@PowerSource3012 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this information and tips. I understand now.
@bmefilms68794 жыл бұрын
OMG the outtakes where hilarious!
@pvillez4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, this video was very helpful
@KarenVaisman14 жыл бұрын
Hi Gerald I love your videos you are very informative but this video really confused me. I am new to the video world. I have a Nikon Z6 and I’m starting to get more involved in Hybrid shooting. I would love more in-depth information on this topic of fluid heads and tripods. This video was a good introduction. After watching it I’m more confused about the topic. I am at Professional Portrait Photographer (30 years experiece}. I would like to get more into corporate interview videos for small businesses moving into hybrid video and I have a lot of photography gear so I’m wondering what I can use with a lightweight mirrorless camera if I wanted to get good video performance. I’m using you really right stuff ball head for photography any advice would be appreciated or if you want to make more in depth videos I would eagerly watch it.
@AuthenTech3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gerald!
@Trendsetic Жыл бұрын
Great video. I have such low tripod confidence. :)
@gcprost4 жыл бұрын
I have two of the Manfrotto 504's and one 502. The 504's are great; however, I bought these as a kit and they are quite heavy. They are also quite difficult to fit into the audience seating area which I am increasing compelled to do. Often I will use the 502 in this situation. I don't use a pan and tilt head for my unmanned wide shot, I use a gear head which is very similar but it makes it simpler, I feel, to get quick and precise postioning. Thanks for the info on the E-Image. I might just replace the 502 with this, as the legs that it came with have a 75mm bowl. The importance of a bowl cannot be understated.