German Invaders

[@fuzzyhead878]

Shame there aren't more large Dutch locomotives in preservation. I love seeing the different design practices of various countries. Like how Dutch locomotives have this sort of mix of British and (older) German design practice. But German locomotives are beautiful as well.

[@nielsdebakker3283]

Dutch steam looks old because the netherlands already started electrification of the main lines before ww2.

[@ivovanzon164]

The BR23 and BR50 did run on routes that made them end up in the Netherlands. The 01.10 never drove scheduled trains in the Netherlands as it was too long for the Dutch turntables. DB had a small fleet of 01's with shorter tenders at Rheine for cross border traffic.

[@AWESOM3KAR]

Germany casually entering the Netherlands: *Hey.*

[@Jiskpirate]

NS 3737 was realistically capable of running specials on the mainline. Other classes in the Dutch railway museum, like the 2100s, can comfortably reach speeds of up to 110/120 km/h. Because of their rarity however the museum does not want to see these types of engines running. Hence the only option; rebuilds, or indeed stick with german designs.

[@remko2]

from what I've read the 3737 was completely overhauled for the NS jubilee, and subsequently used to run trains too slowly, which it was not designed for, so it's not really in a runnable state anymore Preservation of historic ships or locomotives is not something the Netherlands is very good at, for instance the Hr Ms Soemba and Flores were in retrospect iconic survivors of world war 2, having been in action in Sicily and Normandy .... both were scrapped in the '50s ... :/

[@Jiskpirate]

@@remko2 3737 ran many mainline specials, but during her 1990s overhaul some poor choices were made in her construction. She was also poorly handled in that period until 2004. Point comes to shove, in the 1980s for the NS 150 she was actually in the best condition having been put under supervision of the SHM. Running at small speeds does not 'damage' a locomotive necessarily. The Netherlands is very good in current preservation of german and dutch locomotives. Sadly, as you point out, we were not very good in preserving our history. Our last steam locomotives ran in the 1950s in a time of rebuilding. Preservation like in England which was made possible by Barry's scrapyard and other places was not present in the Netherlands as most was scrapped as soon as was possible. But, what we do have, is restored and conserved pretty well at the many heritage railways. Let's just say the 3737 had its time as a mainline modern day locomotives. For mainline steam you can enjoy the many German locomotives we have running, or tram and branch line stock at the various heritage railways. A rebuild locomotive of an NS class is also being thought of, but that's still in its very primal stages.

[@thedutchpanzer3439]

I still dream of a running NS 3900, they're one if not my favourite Dutch locomotives of all time

[@EmilyChaosDrivr]

I just wish that A: Märklin would not use their own 3 rail system, and B: German HO models weren`t so fricking expensive. And of course, there need to be more Dutch models of steamers. They are so cute ;w;

[@enisra_bowman]

for A.: Märklin bought Trix some years ago and have them as DC Brand for their models and for B.: ... yes *sigh*, particular compared to 00 Gauge Models

[@nielsdebakker3283]

The new models also are delivered as two rail dc(c) trix models. The greatest advantage of 3 rail, loops without fiddling with electrics, but I still do not like the ac jerks.

[@emilioi.valdez6680]

Hey Scott, there any projects in the Netherlands akin to Tornado?

[@fuzzyhead878]

I don't think there are, but I hope I'm wrong!

[@Jiskpirate]

There's a rebuild RTM 37 in the works, which is a cape gauge sqaure tram locomotive. The NS 6513 of the SHM is a rebuild/reconstruction of a thirteenth member of the 6500 class, which was a, slightly changed, Hohenzollern Victor. The SHM is also considering rebuilding a 5800, though plans are not set in stone as of yet. The SGB once had plans to make a 6000, but any trace of that was removed. The frame plates were cut, but eventually the metal was used for the replica railcars omC 909 and 910.

[@treinenliefde]

So those new build projects are indeed there, and adding another one is the idea of the Dutch Transport Museum (NTM) to build a replica power car of a DE4, of which they own the remaining carriages that haven't been scrapped. Those were TEE trains, the only ones owned by NS. The orginal plan was to cut up and use combined parts of a spare driving carriage and two other types of Dutch trains, however their idea now is to use an existing locomotive as a basis, inspired by the Baby Deltic project in England. I believe they've already asked around about the ability of actually importing a class 37 to the Netherlands. However with their relocation and the slowed down funds for the restoration of the other carriages, I doubt they'll manage to ever do it.

[@Tom-Lahaye]

One other project, sadly died silently. That was a new build class 3500 4-6-0. This channel did a video on that locomotive class. But we have seen some smaller rebuilding and new builds using parts of other existing vehicles, @Jiskpirate summed then up. Furthermore there are 2 USATC Whitcomb locomotives imported from the USA, these were a type of war locomotives, diesel powered and intended for operation during the liberation of Europe. The NS bought 20 of them and used them as class 600, later renumbered to class 2000 until 1960. The imported locomotives will be made operational and rebuilt in the external look of the NS class. One owned by VSM and the other by SGB. They don't have the original engines but the NS examples were also re-engined because the original Buda diesel engines were very unreliable. There are Cummins engines in the imported loco's and these should give reliable operation.

[@Jiskpirate]

@@Tom-Lahaye Don't take the 3500 rebuild serious as John Simons, who iniated it, is a man with huge fantasies but little to show for it. That project never left the poperpoint presentation state.

[@yeoldeseawitch]

can you do a video of that Swedish steam locomotive on the Nene valley, B class 101?

[@dutydruidfilms11]

DB: I present to you: A Dead redundant locomotive! A name I didn’t make on the spot… Take it! It’s all yours! VSM: welp… it’s gone.

[@daanwillemsen223]

The last Dutch mainline steam engine, the 3737, got totaly fucked by the SSN. After receiving a new boiler, the 3737 was handed over to SSN for test trails. When making it ready to drive and firing it up, they warped the entire chassis. SSN is used to firing up big German locomotives and the 3737 has been kaput since the 1990s. In 2008 ther was a restauration attempt but the railway museum didn't succeed to get funding

[@ronineter1]

In 2008 there was funding for the 3737. However due to new regulations the costs of restoring her became much higher and the engine had to be equipped with a ATB system. Because the Dutch railway museum was to afraid to run their last big engine and didnt want to damage her historic character with additional equipment they made her a static object. The funding instead was used to make a stupit kiddie coaster which hides two more historic steam engines from being properly seen.

[@PhantomP63]

That sounds like standard for museums in general, unfortunately..

[@Jiskpirate]

@@ronineter1 Nothing historic about 3737. Her overhaul in the 1980s and last overhaul was an almost entirely rebuild.

[@Schmalspurfan]

One question: first you mention the first dutch heritage locomotive as a DB Class 94, later called a 97. I'm a bit confused, what class was it actually? Sorry for being so accurate, but 94 and 97 are two completely different classes and also I'm German, so you know....we're just like this 😅

[@Acc3ssViolation]

It was a class 94, number 094 055 to be specific

[@tamy5518]

Class 97 includes cogwheel locos only.

[@FlyingScott]

Cogwheel locos would mean elevation, and that is illegal in the Netherlands.

[@Schmalspurfan]

@@FlyingScott made my day 😂

[@treinenliefde]

Is het echt zo dat het VSM stuk van Apeldoorn VAM naar Apeldoorn onder de normale Prorail wetgeving valt? Ik was altijd in de veronderstelling dat hiervoor speciale regels geleden, net zoals hoe Belgische en Duitse treinen niet zijn toegelaten maar onder speciale regelgeving wel in Venlo en Roosendaal mogen komen.

[@justarandomguy37]

Voor rijden vanaf apeldoorn vam naar apeldoorn vsm perron is geen atb verreist Voor de rest weet ik het niet

[@ALCO-C855-fan]

Locomotives from my country (Germany) were an inspiratiin for the dutch? How rich! Lang lebe die Deutsche Bundesbahn!

[@FlyingScott]

Less an inspiration, more of a "Well we ruined our chance of steam preservation so the Germans who don't have the capital to electrify their whole network can provide what we ourselves lost".

[@ALCO-C855-fan]

@@FlyingScott We helped you and you're welcome. If it's about preservation I'm always happy for my country to help out. Also with that you guys may have saved the one or other german steamie from extinction. Thx. guys.^^

[@thagerman8361]

Ganz recht 🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪🇩🇪

[@azuma892]

German steam locos are so boring...

[@yeoldeseawitch]

american steam locos are boring-er

[@CPTRailfan]

You probably have a boring life then mate.

[@FlyingScott]

@CPTRailfan People over the course of time tend to conflate "familiar" to boring.

[@Schmalspurfan]

you dare oppose me Mortal?!