GERMANIC: OLD ENGLISH & OLD SAXON

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[@t_ylr]

As a native English speaker it's so funny how Modern Dutch or even Spanish is easier for me to read then Old English lol

[@TakeyoTouda]

maybe letters you never seen before are hard for you as a non-English speaker old English spell is easier to read than modern English for me.

[@DemetriMT03]

i'm sorry but I have to do this, *"than"*.

[@RobbieStacks90]

That's only because of the differences in syntax and pronunciation between Old and Modern English, as well as the existence of inflected forms in OE to signify grammatical case, gender, number, and person that disappeared nearly a thousand years ago. If you were encountering Dutch, Spanish, and Old English for the first time, the vocabulary of Old English would be the most recognizable of the three.

[@TunahTak]

@t_ylr If you want deep contacts with Old Saxon and Old Anglo Saxon, the languages that will help you are Yola and Scots Doric if you want a deep immersion. good morning.

[@mercharris5266]

Try reading French. English spoiled by latin and French

[@tallantelope-palmegruppen2224]

As a swede this is understandable

[@qwerty-en9tu]

Which? Old English or old saxon? Or both

[@TakeyoTouda]

as a non-English East Asian speaker who memorized many writing systems, in my opinion, old English spell is easier to read than modern English for me, unlike nonsense English spell today Ƿƿ [w] and Þþ [θ/ð] are shaped like Futhark letter ᚹ and ᚦ letter þÞ & Ðð are stille used in modern Icelandic. old English alphabets are so cool.

[@TakeyoTouda]

@@Gevixel Old English words are promounced as written is similar to many Asian romanization, that's what i mean. Unlike some Western languages such as modern English, French that many rules make foreigners get confused about how to read and spell words correctly.

[@AnOriginalYouTuber]

You are 100% correct! Old English spelling is much simpler. I wish we could go back to using it.

[@TakeyoTouda]

@@AnOriginalKZbinr modern English alphabet seems like a lazy writing system that just keeps basic Latin alphabet, removed some extra letters and uses many combinations of letter to create 44 phonemes unlike other Germanic languages, modern high German, Dutch, Norwegian•Danish, Icelandic spelling are better than weird modern English spelling. i still use letter Ðð[ð] & Þþ[θ] to distinguish 2 Th'sounds such as With=Wiþ🇬🇧 ≠ Wið🇺🇸, letter Ææ & Aa such as Bath=Bæþ🇬🇧 ≠ Bāþ🇺🇸

[@VeryClearLanguages]

The comparison is very accurate. Old Frisian could be included as well. Thank you!

[@DivedKhunal]

old frisian was attested not before 1200s, corresponded to the "middle" period of other germanc languages

[@user-ei5oz7dy8h]

Please compare Kansai Japanese and Middle Early Japanese. “Modern Japanese” is not a direct descendant of Old Japanese because Old Japanese was recorded in Kansai area and “Modern Japanese” is based on dialects around Tokyo.

[@222TK]

🔆🔅Old Saxon, Old Anglo-Saxon, and High German are all different stages of the Old Germanic language, which was spoken in Central and Western Europe between the 5th and 12th centuries. These three linguistic variants are related and have a common origin, but they also have significant differences. Old Saxon was spoken in the region of Saxony in present-day Germany and was one of the main variants of West Germanic. Old Anglo-Saxon, in turn, was spoken in England, especially in the regions of Anglia, Saxony and Jutland. Both variants are linguistically close and share many common elements and words. High German was spoken in areas of what is now Germany, Austria and Switzerland, among others. It is considered an offshoot of West Germanic, but had a separate evolution from Old Saxon and Anglo-Saxon, mainly due to Latin influences. It is important to emphasize that these linguistic variants evolved over time and gave rise to different modern languages. Old Saxon and Old Anglo-Saxon are considered to be ancestors of Low German and Angleish, respectively, while High German evolved into Modern German.🔆🔅

[@fgconnolly4170]

You sound like chat GPT AI

[@dariodellenavi7854]

Anyway, God bless you for this detailed comment I was looking for here.

[@HyperBoreana-mf4ql]

old anglo-saxon was never spoken in saxony or jutland.

[@010VV]

📳🉑The sister languages ​​of Old Norse are the other Germanic languages ​​such as Old Anglo Saxon, Old German, Old Gothic and Old Frisian, Old Vandalic and Old Burgundian. These languages ​​belong to the same linguistic group and share a common ancestry.🉑📳

[@alareiks742]

I am sorry, but it was just Gothic , without "old".

[@andrewhammel8218]

"kingdom" (as in 'kingdom come') is rice and riki. Both sound like "Riech" (as in "Third Riech" and as in "Oesterreich"- what the country of Austria is called in Austrian German). Basically meaning "realm". Koning and Cyning existed as words for "king" but niether language seems to have yet cobbled together "kingdom" as a word yet.

[@fgconnolly4170]

yet? what do you mean yet? As if they will some day in the future? They're both dead, they're not gonna come back to life to make a word for it. Plus Rici and Riki don't just mean realm, they can also mean kingdom, as in dutch Rijk and German Reich

[@andrewhammel8218]

@@fgconnolly4170 Old English evolved into modern English. Old Saxon into dialects of modern German, Dutch, and Frisian. Modern English has the word "kingdom". So duhhhh...Old English hadnt evolved it YET...but obviously later did.

[@fgconnolly4170]

@@andrewhammel8218 firstly old Saxon didn't evolve into dutch or frisian, it evolved into the low German dialects. Old Dutch/Frankish evolved into dutch, and old frisian evolved into frisian. secondly, your comment was in present tense, so you said "neither language seems to have yet cobbled together "kingdom" as a word yet" meaning at *this* moment those two extinct languages haven't got a word "kingdom - koninkrijk" *yet* .

[@john.premose]

Thanks captain obvious

[@john.premose]

​@@andrewhammel8218thanks again, captain obvious.

[@slickrick2420]

Old Saxon has more similarities to modern Scandinavian languages than Old English

[@TunahTak]

Totally true

[@ole7146]

Ehh? As a Dane, who also understand a fair bit of written/spoken Swedish, there's not much in commen between Old Saxon and modern Scandinavian. The Scandinavian languages do however share more in commen with middel Low German, but not Old Saxon.

[@noahrice6671]

I think the reason for old Saxon being similar to Scandinavian languages is because of Middle Low German/saxon influence.

[@gustaf3811]

​@@noahrice6671 Frisian is actually closer to old norse than high and low german.

[@TheAnglishTimes]

Cool to see these back to back.

[@frankpape7274]

Old saxon uses way more words for the same english text, but the text is far more detailed (atleast from what i can understand from it) "Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as in heaven" for example. If i'd try a literal translation from old saxon i read it is more like: "Come thy powerfull kingdom, Your will be done on this whole earth, The same on earth as there up in the high heavenly realm".. correct me if i made any mistakes.

[@tjstarr2960]

I don't know Old Saxon, and I have only studied Old English a tiny bit. But, in this case, I know almost all older English translations of the Lord's Prayer translate this line as "MAY thy kingdom come, MAY thy will be done", using to auxiliary verb "may" and also possibly expressing the "to be" verb in the subjunctive. The use of "may" here is used to translate the Greek optative verb form, or the Latin subjunctive, which is used to express actions that are "wished for", like "Long live the king!" or "May God bless you". The subjunctive form of verbs was used for expressing this "optative" or "wished for" meaning, as well as unreal or hypothetical situations in general, both in Latin and Old English, and presumably Old Saxon as well.

[@patty30]

Your videos are the best, you're doing important work for everyone. Thank you so much!

[@quamne]

oh my god the ancient default profile pic. what a throwback

[@patty30]

@@quamne thank you for noticing! 99.9% of people have no idea what this image is lol

[@quamne]

@@patty30 hahaha we're probably just getting old

[@joshuabradshaw9120]

Was the trilled r basically universal amongst speakers of Indo European languages in the distant past? I hear a lot of it in Old High German and Old English as well as Ancient Latin and old French. Languages such as Spanish, Italian, Greek, Russian and other Slavic languages have kept it into current times.

[@anter11]

In old slavic and proto baltic R was definitely trilled. In Latin R was likely a tap or maybe a trill In Saxon or Old German we really have no idea. All we know is that in the languages of England it was velarised very early on. Whether it was a uvular consonant, a trill, or approximant is unknown

[@Hamzachebbi137]

Nice video ❤️❤️💪

[@mysteriumvitae5338]

Old Saxon also had a certain influence on English since the 10th century. Actually, in Late Antiquity, there was one tribal group of Saxons that split. The ones who travelled to the British Isles eventually became English. The ones who stayed on the continent became Dutch and German. It is important to realise that the current bundesland of Saxony has not much to do with the homeland of the Saxons of Late Antiquity. Most of their homeland is now called Lower Saxony.

[@tankiwolf]

Dutch and german do not come from saxon

[@maxlegermainalaman3883]

I love the Sutton-hoo helmet with Woden on it ! 😈

[@prismaticc_abyss]

I find it very interesting how they both are extremely similar, but one seems to be developing features which are closer to english, while the other one's feature remind me more of german

[@angreagach]

As I commented on another post, it's nice to see wynn used instead of having w substituted, as was long customary.

[@DivedKhunal]

they are two brothers, and both of them are belong to ingvaeonics. Old english experienced a palatalization along with old frisian, so these two can also be called as anglo-frisian branch. for example, English cheese, church vs Low German kees, kark. And the ingvaeonic nasal spirant rule performed better in OE and OF than OS. like tooth, other, in OE is toþ, oðer, but in OS tand, ander (Low German tann anner) . Though old English has some Saxon oirigins, and it was West Saxon that became the ruler of the whole england, the predominant population is still Anglos, which made old english different from its brother who stayed in continental europe but old english was strongly influenced by french, latin and ancient greek later, while old saxon lost the chance to become an official language and replaced by high german in many ways.

[@J_Rees]

I thought it would be more similar, guess thats why the language is named after the angles and not the saxons.

[@dalubwikaan161]

Please do a video about Toki Pona

[@simonkai5052]

That "t" in "ist" of the Old Saxon version of the old prayer shouldn't be pronounced as Old Saxon was an Ingveonic language just like the later Middle Low German and the modern Low German. The Written version was just influenced by Low Franconian.

[@alexander72184]

Philippine Spanish 🇵🇭 Cuban Spanish 🇨🇺

[@ansuzsociety]

🙏

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

Interesting! Both Saxons and Angles spoke in their own mutually intelligible dialects. Next do Langue de Oil and Langue de Oc of Medieval France.

[@Spaghetter]

What is Old Saxon and where was it spoken?

[@noahrice6671]

Old Saxon was the predecessor to modern day Low Saxon, Frisian, and English.

[@pixeldaze7269]

From what I know it was spoken by the anglo Saxons in England and it was spoken during the early to middle medieval period. But don't take my word for it. Do some research about it if you want clear info.

[@unbeatable_all]

​​@@noahrice6671No, Old Saxon is the predecessor of Low German which also contributed to Standard German

[@unbeatable_all]

It was mostly spoken in northwest Germany, eastern Netherlands and also northern Schleswig

[@schneeweichenmunster8416]

​@@unbeatable_allNo Low Saxon is the ancestor of English and Low Saxon. German (Standard and its dialects) come from Old High German. Low Saxon has nothing to do with German.

[@joshuafajardo646]

The old 1666

[@derDeutsche-mh2zj]

Old Saxon is not a text influenced by the pegans for example it says give us our daily consil instead of bread.

[@dalubwikaan161]

What is/are the modern languages today descent from Old Saxon?

[@rog3785]

Old Saxon was attested in the 8th-12th centuries before eventually developing into Middle Low German which in turn developed into Modern Low German by the 16th century.

[@dalubwikaan161]

@@rog3785 Oh ok, thank you

[@karonesechannel2599]

that "earth" or "eardan" in Old English sounded like Arabic "Ardhun" with the same meaning

[@andresgalindo7682]

FAKE it doesn´t sound at all

[@karonesechannel2599]

@@andresgalindo7682 ارض

[@majimadavis3602]

brotherss

[@user-pv6fy3ft5z]

Symbols of both folks from total war Attila😂.

[@richlisola1]

Old English is way more concise than Old Saxon

[@aesthetix3398]

Akakeke

[@jamiekomodo1751]

Strange...the "old English" version cited here, is actually appears to be west saxon dialect. The "old Saxon," well some of the words are Northumbrian (an Anglican dialect, not Saxon), but the version spoken here diverges quite a bit from even the Northumbrian published version of the lord's prayer. They should really cite their sources, as it comes from somwhere.

[@Sindraug25]

Old Saxon was spoken by the continental Saxons rather than the British Saxons.

[@jamiekomodo1751]

@@Sindraug25 That makes sense. Low German would then be it's descendant.Thx

[@456H]

English has changed a lot - average, modern and contemporary English has nothing to do with Anglo Saxon and Saxon, and English creoles are even more unrelated, the discrepancy is undisguised.

[@Pilum1000]

the modern English has morphed into an analytic language from the inflectional-synthetic Old English. This is a big change in the central mechanism of language, but not so big as you think. :)

[@jgrennmusic]

Please compare English or old English to Welsh

[@davidbouvier8895]

I once read that Welsh, a brythonic language, is about as close to English as it is to Russian, a slavic language. If that is truly the case, I'm not sure what such a comparison would achieve.

[@persian639]

Old Saxon is more like modern German rather than modern English.

[@user-tc2pc2vw9s]

Looks like swedish

[@Zerubaba]

Saxon or Sasa? Sakya Sakya.

[@imperialinquisitormaximusv3645]

Is "ic" pronounced "ISH" or "ICK" or "ICH".

[@TheStraightEdger]

It depends on time. The oldest pronounciation is like "ICK" ofcourse, the later is "ICH" with usual palatalization K -> CH

[@schneeweichenmunster8416]

@@TheStraightEdger Correct.

[@schneeweichenmunster8416]

@Deywos-zs2sq Like in modern Low Saxon: Ike

[@simonevanmuiswinkel9464]

​@@TheStraightEdger No, to this day in Lower Saxon, it is still pronounced as 'Ick', from the East of Holland all the way towards Poland. (Actually even in Dutch today it is still 'ick') 'Ich' is only in Hoch Deutsch, which is in the South of Germany, and not Saxon).

[@simonevanmuiswinkel9464]

​@@TheStraightEdger and in old English it was pronounced as 'ick' as well.

[@Humanbeing0231]

So, Saxon people in Britain assimilated to Angles/Anglo people's language?

[@plov638]

Yes

[@t_ylr]

The Angles, Saxon and Jutes were all 3 tribes that lived in Northern Europe between the Rhine River and Denmark. They spoke old Saxon and dialects close to it. They all migrated to England and the language evolved into old English

[@zuzufever]

Not necessarily, they did collectively call the language and themselves English but there were dialectical differences still. Also the language in the video is not the same as Saxon dialects of Old English

[@YourCreepyUncle.]

The languages were similar enough that everybody had to make adjustments to accommodate others and to ease communication. This, among other things, lead to a process of natural standardization. It's not entirely clear to me which group made the most concessions and it may not be relevant.

[@schneeweichenmunster8416]

@@zuzufever Yeah, they called their languages English cause untill the 9th century the most poweful kingdom was one of the Angles. But there is a chronic from the 10th century in wich the Southern people being still called Saxon. "That was the greatest Fight between the Angles and Saxon" after ther arrival" is the quote from this chronic.

[@deenagara9151]

Old English derives from Danish.

[@KingsleyAmuzu]

It kinds sound a bit Arabic to me or Hindi?

[@hansrobert7155]

Could modern English be a Creole👁️

[@shawnv123]

it’s not

[@screenname1]

Wow old saxon sounds like a romance language.

[@michaelcalle2981]

Hmmh kinda doesn't, it sounds more Old Norse Scandinavian since its Germanic.

[@screenname1]

@@michaelcalle2981 I said it sounds like a Romance language. You can't change things. That's what it sounds like to me.

[@MixerRenegade95]

Germanic yes, awk I remember Old Norse being ''R'' heavy and using very few vowel endings, Saxon has more in common with Old High German and Romance as far as vowel endings go.@@michaelcalle2981

[@michaelcalle2981]

@@screenname1 Well it's not true tho because romance and Germanic aren't the same subgroup and don't sound alike. Old Saxon sounds like old English or old Norse because it's Germanic and they sound alike.

[@Davlavi]

Did not know there was a difference.

[@TunahTak]

Yes colleague theses 2 sis have yours own little differences.

[@mlworld7459]

Germans are aryan😂