Germany’s Historic Election Results Explained

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On Sunday night, for the first time ever, the AfD won a state election in Germany on what was a great night for them overall and another poor showing for the incumbent coalition. So what actually happened? And who will form each state's government?
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[@karankapoor2701]

Most likely an anti - afd coalition with all kinds of uneasy alliance which won't achieve much

[@elias7027]

Which will just make the AfD stronger. The CDU is a Christian conservative party that even copied most of the AfD talking points within the last year. They will completely lose next election if they now really want to work with far left parties.

[@nutrioh_app]

Yep, similar to what's happening in France with a shaky 'coalition' to block Le Pen's party. Still when millions of people do express their vote in one direction political calculus and BS alliances don't hold much of a chance to push through as too many voters are being shut up basically.

[@robertbrown3413]

The French pattern of an anti-RN alliance not achieving much

[@tomwensrich9602]

That's the whole point. The people funding the parties want the migration floodgates open.

[@oscarmccoy9102]

@@robertbrown3413mostly cause of Macron trying to cling onto power.

[@LucasBenderChannel]

I'd suggest not using bar graphs when explaining coalitions, but rather semi-circles, to depict seats in parliament. Makes it more intuitive and you can easily depict how many factions are needed to form a majority. It was very hard to understand in this video.

[@yvfk]

oh hey, cant wait for your next video just 1,5 year again lol

[@Detr0niX]

Hey man, when is the new video coming out?

[@kaanyasin3733]

LUCAS! Missed u

[@Errouy1]

this channel is sponsored by the globalists. If you think there are normal analysts here, no, they are just propagandists

[@generaltom6850]

@@Detr0niX a couple of years, or decades.

[@xander6522]

Nobody is talking about the youth vote overwhelmingly being for AfD whilst the 50+ demographic voted for pro-immigration parties.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

They don't want the people realizing that actually the boomers are hoarding everything for themselves and leaving ruins for their offspring. Can't even vote decently because 'MUH HIGH NOSED FEELING OF GOODNESS'.

[@KappaClaus]

Young people don't feel German apologistism like the older generation.

[@NephritduGrey]

Well, brainrot and overall lack of life experience explains why those Dorftrottel (After all it's the Alternative für Dorftrottel) would vote poorly.

[@DerSim688]

@@KappaClaus A lot of us still do. Our forefathers committed the biggest crime in human history. It’s our duty to prevent that such a thing ever happens again.

[@SeataltBelten]

Nobody is talking honestly about this topic at all. None of these news outlets will address the blindingly obvious issue fuelling (‘far’)right-wing support. Uncontrolled immigration. It’s really that simple. People all over Europe have been shouting at their governments to fix it in increasing intensity since the 2010s. They didn’t do anything; so now people are seeking populist solutions. These establishment parties did it to themselves. And now they have the audacity to blame ‘radicalisation’! It’s a joke.

[@josepedrosantiagosilva9625]

In Europe, there's a growing sense of neglect towards the younger generation. They face lower salaries, longer work hours, and increased responsibilities while witnessing a surge in billionaires, particularly in countries like Germany. The housing market adds to their woes, as property prices soar, making it difficult to afford homes, let alone start families. To compensate, cheap labor from abroad is often favored, leading to frustration among the youth, who feel betrayed. People aren't inherently racist, but this frustration arises when governments prioritize external labor over addressing domestic issues. It's high time politicians acknowledge and tackle these pressing concerns rather than resorting to distractions. The younger generation deserves meaningful change.

[@DeadCat-42]

It's the same all over the world, they elite are consolidating power. Welcome to the new feudalism. Hi small town, we are wallmart, we drove every small business in town under. the same people also own the rental property . We decide how much you make and what we take for your rent. Our employees will need to use government assistance to make the rent and buy food from us.

[@mr_rubio]

External not working terrorists are not welcome

[@aturchomicz821]

But what does it say about the average poor person, when they vote for a Neoliberal party like the AFD, which would very quickly try to make their lives even worse? Why are so many people so horrible at cost benefit analysis??💀💀

[@Jakeripper-w7x]

TEH WYH YONTIN FRO AFD ONLY

[@tetrahedron4752]

The last thing politicans are willing to do is biting the hand that feeds them Banks give enormous bribes to political parties, to keep them away from fixing the housing shortage. People are forced to take out loanes, banks make huge profits, politicians get their money But there's a problem - high rent prevents people from having children. Solution? Obviously - migration Now everyone is happy. And if they are not, all politicians have to do is blaming the migrants! Real issues stay unaddressed, but who cares!Banks are happy, politicans are happy, and people have someone else to blame for all of this, everything works as intended!

[@elrasraven4085]

You always wrote CDU/CSU, but that is wrong for both states- there is no CSU in these states but only the CDU

[@sebastiankraemer4827]

they are basically one party with two names

[@delfinenteddyson9865]

@@sebastiankraemer4827 the CSU is the Bavarian CDU afaik, so that would not make much sense to talk about the CSU in Länder-elections not happening in Bavaria indeed

[@Bitcircuit]

@@delfinenteddyson9865 CDU and CSU is a single faction in Bundestag anyways. So technically, calling it CDU/CSU is correct

[@armintargaryen9216]

​@@sebastiankraemer4827 It's not weird, we have the same in Spain. PSOE is PSC in Catalonia.

[@myrddinemrys1332]

​@@armintargaryen9216 Same (sort of) for Britain where we have the Labour and the Co-operative parties, but the Co-Op members usually are also Labour members and stand under both parties.

[@andybrice2711]

As I understand it: In Denmark, the mainstream parties just addressed some of the nationalists' more reasonable concerns. And the hard-right fringe parties evaporated. It's that simple, to avoid a much darker future for Europe.

[@MedEwok]

Indeed, that's the recipe worth following instead of letting anyone in just to please a few fringe leftists.

[@ProfessionalBadPerson]

The Nationalists have no reasonable concerns, also these state governments have lower rates of migration then most other states demonstrating the irrationality of AFD votesr. The Danish Social Democrats are evil, mass migration is morally correct

[@ProfessionalBadPerson]

The Nationalist have no reasonable concerns at all

[@theambassador3695]

Hey. Take a look at Austria. The Far Right FPO Party here WAS in Government in the past (even as recent as 2019), and now they are in First place NATION WIDE. THIS is what happens if you lift a firewall. The People who Vote Far Right would never vote anything else, even if other Parties adopted harder Migration Stances. Because that is exactly what happened in Austria. And did anything Change? NO. IT DID NOT. The only way to get rid of far Right Parties is to BAN them.

[@alizaidi2893]

Just gove the nazis a little bit of power.....s/

[@KulturystaChaosu]

so now parties in those regions will have to make some very weird coalitions that wont accomplish much because it will be a huge mixture of ideologies and because they wont accomplish much people there will get even more frustrated and even more of them will radicalize by voting for AfD.

[@alizaidi2893]

Eastern geremany is literally just a glorified nursing home ......

[@ProjectExMachina]

In my experience, the modern rise and fall of far right is usually more influenced by global situation than local

[@fullmetaltheorist]

Weirdly enough this is what happened last time...

[@RedXlV]

They need to stop fucking around and just *ban* the AfD.

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah the AfD just needs to sit back, criticise everyone and bide their time, and next time they’ll win

[@dorianodet8064]

Just saying, but if the AFD is growing to 30+% of the vote share, there is a big argument about the main stream party needing to listen a bit more the voter

[@TheBooban]

No there isn’t. 30% is not 51%. It’s irrelevant. Just scaremongering.

[@karankapoor2701]

Exactly and denying them that will only increase that

[@PeaceAndLove303]

Everything falls on death ears as to why Germany needs change AFD will sort out migration and not be puppets of America EU/NATO.

[@MozzaBurger88]

"Am I out of touch? No, it's the voters who are wrong" /meme

[@TheBooban]

@@dorianodet8064 30 is not 51

[@felipequaresma4215]

Now we pray no one gets kicked our of art school

[@balwantkathait5353]

Yeah not in Germany would you be fine if austrians don't accept art students.

[@thepax2621]

From an austrian art-school?

[@cicalinarrot]

I just lolled my saddest lol.

[@orktv4673]

More accurately never get accepted in the first place

[@Hovardov]

Comparing Right wing with Nazi - how very original of you. You should write reports for DW.

[@-sunrise-parabellum-]

This is exactly what happens when you ignore the worries of the general population about uncontrolled illegal migration. Far right wing parties come to power. Instead of acknowledging that there are objective problems with immigration and assimilation like rising wave of terrorist attacks, religious radicalization, increasing crime statistics, isolated cultural ghetto units without cross cultural contact with the native population - the establishment parties prefer to give that entire electorate to parties like AfD and Wagenknecht's. Then they get on their high horse and label anyone concerned with these problems as a racist, effectively alienating people further and making a debate about immigration impossible. I'm a leftist, but the establishment parties are commiting political suicide by not addressing this issue.

[@SubjectiveFunny]

Not wanting your country flooded with illegal immigrants does not make you far right.

[@arnewengertsmann9111]

Your advice basically boils down to do what the far right parties want or you help them get votes. Basically we would have to give up some of our core values as a nation to satisfy those on the right fringe. And I for one am not willing to do that.

[@Burito-tj5ry]

@@arnewengertsmann9111 this is what the politician are doing right now, and you plan is failing hard... Sorry mate youre just giving more votes

[@-sunrise-parabellum-]

@@arnewengertsmann9111 No, the far right parties go to the extreme. They want to deport as much people as they can, they are pro-russian, they literally wag immigration at every issue promising tightening access will fix everything. We don't need to do that. We can tighten the control of the borders, crack down on illegal immigration, improve assimilation mechanisms, integration courses, create ministries dedicated to fixing this issue. There's a lot of ideas floating around coming from well informed moderates about how to tackle problems around immigration without giving any leeway to the far right nonsense of racial purity. The problem is those voices are censored in the same way the far right ones do. Because the establishment would have to admit they were wrong, and if there's something they fear, it's losing political legitimacy and percentage points.

[@zacharysilver911]

@@arnewengertsmann9111Open borders isn’t a core value of any nation

[@thejimmydanly]

Honestly, I'm more worried about BSW. -Party is headed by a charismatic leader -That leader entered into politics after failing to earn an art degree -The ideology is a combination of nationalism and socialism

[@Slinkai]

the MLPD wrote a great article to the extent of sahra wagenknechts “socialism”

[@f-86zoomer37]

yeah. she literally said her party is a social nationalist movement. the dogwhistles are literally on the verge of giving way to masks off

[@citizenfoffie7605]

now im excited

[@MisterKackhaufen]

I have never heard anything about a failed art degree and even after I tried to look it up I cant find anything about Sahra Wagenknecht and Art. Her mom worked as an art dealer for the communist state but that has nothing to do with Sahra.

[@thejimmydanly]

@@MisterKackhaufen She failed to get a degree in German literature after she couldn't get support for her thesis

[@magnvss]

You can't 'foster anti-immigration sentiments' if there wasn't an issue to begin with. It's like 'fostering a feeling of drought'-if there's plenty of water, you can't foster anything. However, if you open the tap and no water flows, then there is some truth to the claim.

[@charlieputzel7735]

Firstly, people absolutely can just lie. Secondly, the "real problem" that most of these sentiments come from is just... immigrants existing.

[@mankytoes]

Yes, in practically every state that has significant levels of immigration, there are a proportion of people who have a problem with immigrants. This isn't news to anyone, though it's distubing in a German context to read the whole "no smoke without fire" idea. I hope the Jews over there are staying safe.

[@aturchomicz821]

I think you massively overestimate how smart people are🤣🤣

[@leomagnvs4525]

The German political establishment condemned the AFD as Hitlerian, but the BSW which is actually describable as "German National Socialism" gets a free pass

[@irtakus]

They really don't like the BSW either. I don't know if you are german, but the SPD, CDU, Gruene (Greens), FDP and her old party Die Linke (The left) all dislike her as well. One big reason for that her being near to Russia.

[@bidzej86]

that's what blows my mind. Sahra Wagenknecht comes from the most radical part of Die Linke, is known for her sympathy to Stalin and Marx and the establishment is fine with it.

[@irtakus]

@@leomagnvs4525 My comment got removed, but I was saying that they really dislike her as well, just less than the afd

[@irtakus]

@@leomagnvs4525 They dislike her very strongly as well, mainly due to her connections to Russia

[@irtakus]

@@leomagnvs4525 She also running as an anti-Establishment politician as well (I. E arguing that her freedom is suppressed while being invited to a dozen talkshows), so I really don't get where you got that impression from?

[@knickohr01]

3:40 However, this coalition doesn't have a majority because they only have 23 (CDU) + 6 (SPD) + 15 (BSW) = 44 seats, while the Landtag has 88 seats in total. They have exactly half of the seats but would need more than half to form a majority. 4:29 While The Left is below the 5% threshold, it is still in the Landtag because enough candidates were voted directly into the Landtag.

[@sebastianschubert7945]

You are mixing Thüringen and Sachsen results

[@knickohr01]

@@sebastianschubert7945 The two timestamps in my comment are almost a minute apart and when you click on them you can see that at 3:40 they are discussing the results in Thüringen while at 4:29 they talk about the resulty in Sachsen. So I don't really see the problem here.

[@tritonx4521]

@@knickohr01hi, so is the afd leader gonna be minister president of Thuringia? And can they exclude afd if they don’t hold the majority

[@starlight137yt]

@@tritonx4521 He will not be the minister. Other parties will form a coalition or a minority gouvernment.

[@tritonx4521]

@@starlight137yt but why doesn’t afd choose their own coalition since they literally won the election

[@omarali262]

I live in the middle east. Egypt specifically. The types of people who run away from here to go to Europe are typically the worst of the worst types. People trying to avoid prison in their home countries for serious crimes, such as rape, or extremism, or other things such as this. Even the ones who are not those serious cases are going for bad reasons, because they are economic oppurtunists or they want to be around European women. Not a single one is coming because he loves or appreciates Europe. Those of us here who love and appreciate Europe visit as tourists and pay money for hotels. Instead of going there in a raft and begging on the street.

[@Knightly_Mapping]

thank you very much for your knoledge from france

[@uwagajedzietramwaj_]

a lot of lowlifes left Poland when it joined Schengen as well, our crime rate literally plummeted

[@omarali262]

@@uwagajedzietramwaj_ Yes, it's similar to how latin american countries send all their criminals to the Americans.

[@whitezombie10]

The whole world should see this comment. Thanks for sharing

[@spider-man300]

Lol obviously a yt supramcist bigot pretending to be from the middle east 😂 Try to make it more convincing next time

[@danlorett2184]

Ah yes, the old "it's only democracy when you choose the people we want you to".

[@unyieldingsarcasm2505]

i mean, seeing how the AFD is literally illegal under the German constitution....

[@frankf8404]

​@@unyieldingsarcasm2505 Oh no! How come they participated in the elections? Quick, go and tell the german constitutional court about your shocking discovery! There must have been some fatal ​oversight!

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

"those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it"

[@hismajesty6272]

@WalterWhite-jz7ct Do you unironically thinks saying no to immigration makes you a N*zi?

[@hildegunstvonmythenmetz6095]

„Can‘t even say Hitler was a good guy anymore, literally 1984.“

[@caiden5855]

Maybe if they ignore them again they'll go away!

[@deutschermichel5807]

Hmmm

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

Didn't work out so well when we tried that 90 years ago

[@hismajesty6272]

They’re a force for good.

[@metetural9140]

I'm sure Mr. -Hitler- Höcke has only good intentions!

[@whitezombie10]

Somehow I don’t think it’s going to work 😂

[@fragfmgill]

my friend lives in Brandenburg, and he said AfD will win there next month by a large margin.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

Und ich sag ihnen, insbesondere nach Links, das ist auch gut so.

[@sepehrazizi1491]

@@Pattern_Noticer Nein, alles links ist schlecht und kaputt.

[@benny2870]

​@@Pattern_Noticer und ich sage, Leute wie du sollten einfach mal die Luke halten

[@lonesome3958]

​@@Pattern_Noticerbro will, das Nazis regieren

[@PopularesVox]

If democracy doesn't work for East Germans then its probably time to reboot the DDR but in a proper democratic model.

[@valentiniliescu7521]

the only baffling thing is how the other parties are ignoring how much people want fewer immigrants in their countries. people are not voting for afd, le pen and others because suddenly they are far right extremists. they are voting because they are so sick of immigrants they are willing to overlook all the other shit these parties bring with them. and, since the other parties refuse to address this, they are just kicking the can down the line to the next elections when the afd might not even need another party to form a government.

[@AA-pk6fo]

this

[@santiagopayan2531]

No tehy are voting because the economy is really bad right know, leading to the poorest part of society to commit crimes. Suiciding your economies is not the next step, making your energy more expensive is not your teh next step, entering trade wars is not teh next step, increasing public spending in defense and subsidies is not teh next step. Trying to gate keep migrants like the Canadians or Australians doesn't work either, does it? Basically teh solution of traditional parties is, you have concern and lots of troubles but all I can offer you is to hate Russians and Chinese, and muslims, and south east asians and teh list is forever, and go to war with them. To defend a society that doesn't care about you.

[@cmd7930]

@@santiagopayan2531we need stable and safe countries, not immigrants that create chaos. We dont need growing economy

[@gusgrow9768]

Is that true? Austria gave the anti-immigrant people want they want and the far right looks like it is going to win. Not to mention the areas with the most immigration seem the least bothered by it

[@Alsemenor]

@@gusgrow9768 I suspect the regions with the most immigration also have the most immigrants who don't care that the regions are being populated by migrants.

[@Taxrenn93]

when Germany goes far right they tend to go far right-through Belgium.

[@deutschermichel5807]

hahahhahah

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

Germany has never gone Far-Right though.

[@S3Cs4uN8]

But Belgium is to the left of Germany.

[@matthewboyer4212]

Assuming north-up, Belgium is to the left. A better example would be far-right through Poland.

[@gm2723]

To be fair Belgium is a failed state.

[@Gguy061]

"Hey maybe we should screen our immigrants" European Media: OK, HITLER!

[@mevideym]

They are not just saying that

[@user-cj7xb2yp7d]

​@@mevideym whatever they're saying makes no difference from that

[@eliasandradeschindler9402]

@@Gguy061 That is literally a point that the left wing parties are agreeing on. The AfD demands we treat them as subhuman and don‘t recognize their human rights.

[@uranusneptun5239]

You're not well informed... Why? Because you're just repeating propaganda you've heard. It's always the same. People say politicians all lie then a new party with populist simple statements comes along and people start following like sheep. Those parties are not just trying to "screen immigrants". They are trying to tighten the freedom of everyone because they are elitis parties full of rich people who just want to get in power by playing with peoples emotions.

[@Jakeripper-w7x]

@@user-cj7xb2yp7d EUROPÄER FÜR EUROPA

[@Zonca2]

Forming a "firewall" around 40% of your electorate doesnt seem like a good idea. so much for "our democracy"...

[@Anarcho-Stupidity]

30

[@comesalot]

It’s not 40%

[@Greksallad]

No it is definitely wise to exclude the party. They're insane. What's unwise is not taking their voters' reasonable concerns seriously and not addressing them. If established parties did that, voters would turn away from hateful extremist parties. Denmark and Norway got rid of their right-wing extremists by adopting some of their policies, the main one being more restrictive immigration.

[@linkesocke4533]

You can't force parties to work together just because one of them got a lot of votes. That the AFD got 30,6 and 32,8 percent of votes also means that the majority of voters (almost 70 percent of them) didn't want the AFdlD and voted for other parties. If those other parties now come together and form a coalition without the afd that's still democracy. In Germany getting a lot of votes does not guarantee you to be part of the government since all parties can choose who they want to (or don't want to) partner with to get a majority in the Landtag or Bundestag. And that's not anything new. There were times where the spd wouldn't work together with the Linkspartei (left party) to form a government. Same for the cdu and the greens forming a government. They just didn't want to work with the other party since they had different policy goals or saw them as "too extreme".

[@issyeboi2060]

@@Greksalladthat’s not what democracy is for christs sake. regardless of policy you let the people CHOOSE.

[@melonphone9749]

You kind of missed the very important point that with the achievement of 30% for the afd in thuringia, the afd is effectively able to oppose and block the vast majority of changes the governing parties could make. I dont know the english word but in german it is called "Sperrminorität"

[@eddiedoesstuff872]

I think it’s called filibustering in the States but that could be a different term

[@Stunex]

Not anymore. They changed to method for vote counting which caused the AfD to lose a few seats (officially it's "fixing a rounding error").

[@_TkiT_]

Problem almost entirely of Germany's making.

[@tomwensrich9602]

The people never voted to be replaced by Africans and Asians

[@RalphEllis]

The narrator dies not seem to know that the 1940s Naasti Party was socialist. The name of the party is SOCIALIST. The National Socialist Worker’s Party. And in their policies we have: The socialist holiday camp at Prora. The socialist cruise lines, Gustav Willhelm. The socialist car, VW. The socialist motorways, the autobahn. Oh, and see the name of the party itself. The only difference today, is that the modern socialist stormtroopers wear black shirts, instead of brown-shirts. Yes, the greatest of all modern fascists, are Antifa and UAF. Ralph

[@triforce_xiii]

elaborate please.

[@seanfindlay1521]

Unwanted mass migration, gaslighting, the left probably promised lower migration but delivered the opposite

[@pvp216]

@@triforce_xiii Its quite obvious

[@santividal9387]

We are 'One charismatic leader + an uneven treatment from the west' away to see a rewind

[@egegeggegeeg4789]

u sound like a boomer

[@Pattern_Noticer]

As one might say in German. Alle guten Dinge sind Drei. They'll pretend it was all everybody else's fault when in actuality it was them pushing the pendulum sky high.

[@cosminu.4519]

😂

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Germany is so weak and the AFD against spending on defense, so they can't do anything past their own borders. The German military is too feeble to operate vehicles in their own borders, since they all broke down years ago and they have less tanks than Switzerland, so don't act like they are some kind of relevant power globally.

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

@@MichaelDavis-mk4me We are, just not militarily. Germany is still the Heart of Europe and has massive export numbers that others rely on heaviely. The time in which Power was measured only in milliary strength is long gone

[@Huriel97]

The word you're looking for about BSW is "'Stalinist"

[@soundscape26]

Or in modern speak, a Tankie.

[@pacivalmuller9333]

What? 😂 Could you explain to me where you can find Stalinism in BSV? No? Wait can you even explain Stalinism to me?

[@Pattern_Noticer]

But he needs to pay lip service to right bad, left guud. How could he do that if he honestly conceded the left's counter strategy to sincere concerns of average people is glorifying a person who is responsible for double the deaths of the boogie man they screech about all the time.

[@shiramaro]

they are called tankies because they use tanks to oppress people

[@DerSim688]

@@pacivalmuller9333 Wagenknecht admired Stalin. 2002 for example she singularly stood against a statement of the other leading members of the PDS (die Linke now) who called the ‘Schießbefehl’ (order to fire on people trying to flee the GDR) illegitimate.

[@philipbutler6608]

Why do you call populist parties far right but you don’t call socialist far left?

[@deniseb.4656]

We don't really have socialist parties but "the left party" is considered far left and BSW is also considered a more or less extremist party combining views from the far left and the far right.

[@AmericanRevanchism]

I've called them out on this multiple times. They've NEVER called anyone far-left, but every right-wing party in existence is labeled "far-right".

[@deniseb.4656]

@@AmericanRevanchism once again: The left party and BSW are literally far left and they are called that. However far left is not as dangerous as far right

[@yurt-the-silent-chief]

Well, anyone who does this is instantly showing they have an intrinsically motivated bias and/or agenda to push. It is an instant dismissal for me whenever i hear it being claimed.

[@philipbutler6608]

@@deniseb.4656 labor is far left socialist bordering on communist totalitarianism.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

If TLDR were based, they'd refer to BSW as what it truly is: the Tankie Party.

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

Then again, the average viewer probably doesn't know what a tankie is (and then they'd need to take a moment to explain it)

[@AG-lz2gg]

No. They’re against mass migration of Muslims with a completely incompatible culture. That’s too sensible for a tankie lol.

[@ANDR0iD]

I just googled this term and laughed my ass off lol. Are there people like this?

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

@@ParasocialCatgirl true, but political education is always welcome for the normies

[@Pattern_Noticer]

​@@ParasocialCatgirlcall em stalinist. People are probably just educated enough to get that although I'd wager ⅔ would wave pride flags unironically and sing kumbaya.

[@JonM-ts7os]

Ignore the population for long enough this happens.

[@josejoao1621]

I would like to have, in this sorts of videos, an explanation why certain parties are considered “far-right/left”. Not implying that this one in particular is not, but the mainstream media has been using this term so loosely and carelessly that myself and others have become numb to it…

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

When you stray from the lines and ideas set by the establishment elite, you are either one of the two. Doesn't matter that the policies you espouse were mainstream not so long ago, you are far-right because you are not pro-establishment. You do not bend the knee to the totalitarian enlightened elite that got used to monopolize power and only share it between themselves. This is why you see traffic light coalitions in Germany, where 'conservatives', socialists, greens and liberals can make coalitions as if it is something natural. All for the sake of blocking parties that challenge the establishment. Same thing in France. The establishmentarians are doing all sorts of games just to prevent RN or LFI from gaining power. Luckily for us, the dissidents and freedom fighters, this sort of behavior will not last for long. These coalitions are incohesive and are struggling pass policies, much less please the very people who voted them into the government. So they erode with time. AfD, RN and other anti-establishment parties can stay in opposition and exploit their weaknesses. Their time will eventually come. Sweden Democrats eventually came to power, and other parties were forced to make coalitions with them eventually.

[@kduarte6136]

I believe they recently made a video precisely about this in their podcast chanel, TLDR Podcasts.

[@ch.k.3377]

Because leading figures of the AfD have a right-wing nationalist background, regularly appear in public with such meetings and views, and want to restrict the basic rights of the constitution for certain groups of people.

[@M-tl4xt]

Pro elite = not far right Anti elite = far right.

[@jorduh667]

​@@ch.k.3377let's not beat around the bush here. They can't legally say neo-nazi, but that is what they are. Many of these AFD politicians are active members of neo-nazi groups.

[@MrFalut]

Danish parties have all agreed to have a strong stance against irregular immigration -> no far-right party, no noise, no anything. How about other parties in Europe follow that example

[@ch.k.3377]

This works if the parties have a common set of values ​​and do not have a different understanding of democracy.

[@alizaidi2893]

"Danish parties all agreed to have a strong stance against non-white immigrants. ->no" So that's how progressive eroupean countries deal with racism... By now allowing any non white people in.... That is until you realize that most of your population is too old to be productive and so you start secretly start begging non whites to come in and work all your "low -skill" jobs so you can keep your living standards as high as possible all while shitting on us for not looking acting and sounding eroupean enough....

[@ISAACcookie]

Many in Germany have a feeling that they still need to repent for WW2, as if all the harm that comes with irregular migration is somehow their due punishment. It's pathetic but the result is that the center parties refuse to adress any issues that could be considered right wing or associated with nationalism. They would rather see their country burn and their children killed and violated than risk being called a nazi.

[@asholekiller]

German parties have no common sense that’s the difference

[@Fluxwux]

That strategy is deeply unpopular however, at least on the left wing. The social democrats in Denmark are polling at record lows below 20% and is neck in neck with the green left pro immigration party fighting for the number 1 position. Turns out… If you copy the far right policies, people will just vote for the original and it will alienate your voter base that no longer feel welcome. Horrible strategy devoid of common sense - immigration is also extremely important for the economy due to labor shortages, declining population and the climate crisis (we need to reduce fertility in the west to reduce emissions too - immigrants live a shorter time in the country than babies so emissions can be reduced by about 10-20% if labor shortages are taken by immigrants rather than by increase fertility).

[@Cancoillotteman]

So you saying that BSW is both socialist and nationalist ? Like... national-socialist or something...?

[@Humanaut.]

x'D

[@deleted2446]

The BSW is a far-left party which will do nothing. The AfD is the only party to free germany

[@miscellaneoussarnian5282]

I wish I had something funny to say about this

[@PedroPedro-k9p]

it's funny how the left allowed to inmigration destroy their country and now they will all lose their jobs.

[@VTh-f5x]

Here's the funny thing, german decline is inevitable despite who germans vote for. 😂

[@MarketsDriveTheWorld]

​@@VTh-f5xpretty sure there was a certain guy that would have "ideas" on how to solve it. 😂😂 Problem is that he can get quite radical. 😬😬

[@enigmaticzigfried7557]

​@@VTh-f5xGermany faces multiple (structural) challenges, but this is nothing compared to what China, Russia, North Korea and Iran are dealing with, e.g. demographic and economic collapse.

[@GrayFoxHound9]

germans will vote for literal нitlers because their 18th century bureaucracy and non-нitler parties can't do anything but close down nuclear power plants (spoiler: нitlers wouldn't be able to do anything good either)

[@Leberteich]

BSW 'Opposing green policies' is not conservative or right wing. Green cannot be placed on the left/right spectrum at all. Developing a renewable energy supply independent of imports can be seen as nationalist if you want to.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

Sure it can, do you want infinity migrants and to send all your factories overseas to offset carbon footprint. Unless you're against that you're at best a watermelon 🍉

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

Usually, these green policies tend to involve state intervention in the economy (state subsidies for green energy, discouraging non-renewables, etc). And these sorts of state interventions tend to go against the traditional right-wing economic doctrine of avoiding state intervention in the economy.

[@captainvanisher988]

nationalist? Muahahahaha. Most of the materials used to build and repair those turbines and panels come from imports. On top of that a lot of those machinery can't be recycled cheaply so they are exported into mass dumps in Africa or Asia. The only isolationist/nationalist energy policy would be a fully self sufficient energy production. Whether that was coal, oil, natural gas or if there is a lack of natural resources nuclear energy. Especially the fact that the Greens are against the most environmentally friendly energy source aka nuclear energy, shows that they are ideological hacks and pawns of the industrialists.

[@dontcomply3976]

It is not a nationalist policy to destroy your economy, to kowtow to the Chinese Communist Party

[@Solstice261]

While you are right the truth is green policies have very much turned into a bipartisan issue with the right considering it unimportance and the left clinging on to it

[@frankishempire2322]

BSW, a party with the name of its founder in it... and that is how long that party will exist. This is a temporary party for short term goals.

[@aardappelmethoed1151]

@@VTh-f5xMost BSW voters are from die Linke.

[@Apollorion]

.. just like the dutch LPF.

[@urlauburlaub2222]

it's a government funded party of State employees, not a free party.

[@VTh-f5x]

It's the most obvious FED ever. 😂😂

[@cumcumson5661]

@@VTh-f5xYeah right

[@jpvansplunder]

And here I was thinking TLDR had a neutral stance on politics.

[@dragonfire3727]

There's no neutral channel it's just how much they are biased

[@5fr4ewq]

"neutral stance" doesn't exist. Grow up and accept that everyone have their biases

[@HermannderCherusker1970]

Not wanting to be stabbed with a knife is far right.

[@CaptRR]

Apparently.

[@MichaelDavis-mk4me]

Anti-imigration is no longer a far right thing, it's basically become a everyone thing.

[@deutschermichel5807]

​@@MichaelDavis-mk4mewhy donʼt the government do anything then?

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

Wanting everyone out of your country while still wanting cheap labor is the immigation paradox.... gotta choose one

[@anuragpatel1476]

​@@WalterWhite-jz7ct corporations want cheap labour

[@ZehMatt]

Calling them far right is a far cry.

[@sandrogzirishvili6800]

This firewall approach has been working horribly in europe. Loot at sweden where SD went from middle of the pack party to now being the second biggest party after all the sidellining. The ruling governments has to make more concessions because it has to have more parties in the coalition because these walled off parties gain popularity. Have them make a coalition with the cdu and they will be forced to concede on alot of issues to govern in conjunction with the cdu. After that the voters will see what these parties can really do once they are in coalition governments and their popularity will wane. Otherwise goodluck kicking the can down the road and increasing the problem the future society will have to deall with.

[@FearlessXful]

Wrong. The firewall approach worked extremely well in the Netherlands. As soon as the VVD (largest party before 2023) said they were open to a coalition with the far-right, the latter surged in the polls.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@FearlessXful They were surging in the pools even before that. The reason was that Wilders no longer campaigned solely on anti-immigration policy, but diversified his political ideas and solutions. And that made his party surge in the pools. VVD's acceptance of Wilders was just an acceptance of reality.

[@Kalimdor199Menegroth]

@@FearlessXful As for the firewall approach, it is not working on the long term. You are forced to make traffic light coalitions with parties that have no common cause and policies with your own, therefore estranging part of the electorate that voted for you. Because you won't be able to apply the policies you promised since they collide with the policies of a coalition partner. This will inevitably lead to popularity erosion and at some point, the firewall will no longer work. In Sweden, SD is in power now. This was unthinkable just 5 years ago. In Netherlands, Wilders in in power. This was again unthinkable 5 years ago. The same will happen in France and Germany eventually.

[@jacques.cousteau]

​@@FearlessXful wrong, they were in a growing trend before that AND that's why VVD decided to open up to a coalition. And what happened next? They formed a coalition and everything is fine, so it's a win-win. People are overreacting to these so-called "far-right" parties

[@kduarte6136]

Each country has a different dinamic. In Austria, the far-right FPÖ has been part of state and federal governments for decades and hasn't conceded much. I'd take a risk and say the AfD is more like the FPÖ than not.

[@GEMTelemaco]

I love how in most other TLDR videos people are just talking about the video topic but on German political videos the comments are just filled with Germans making corrections nitpicking details 🤣

[@gm2723]

So trou. NINE NINE NINE, TRUE!

[@Arsenic71]

It is OUR election, so what exactly is your problem?

[@GEMTelemaco]

@@Arsenic71 nothing wrong with it its just funny you unhumorous hemorrhoid

[@5fr4ewq]

BS. On vdeos abt Poland the same is happening. And literally any other video, too

[@ivdelch9242]

if only the mainstream could adopt their migration policy, this would all end.

[@TheAmericanAmerican]

Ha! Nice meme

[@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017]

In all honesty, looking at this from Germany, I don't think a version of this is all too farfetched. They'd never take as extreme positions as the AfD, but I could totally see something like this taking hold given the right conditions

[@andybrice2711]

And not even their entire migration policy. Just a moderate migration policy I think would take the wind out of the sails of populist nationalism.

[@soundscape26]

What's their migration policy?

[@radicalesotericcentrist]

@@tiaelago-oretukaumunika7017 They will only do lip-service and change nothing at all man.

[@Prometheus-Unbound]

They should avoid the mistake The Netherlands made with Wilders which was to make increasingly strange coalitions to keep him out of government. It allowed him to run as an outsider always using 20:20 hindsight on issues never having responsibility for them. Let them into Government, let them make mistakes and let them be seen as just another bunch of politicians. Or be surprised when they govern well - either result is good.

[@NephritduGrey]

Unless it repeats a certain pattern in the 1920's and 1930's as it could backfire quickly too. But yeah, Thüringen or Sachsen should simply have the major parties refuse to form a government and hence give the morons who voted for the AfD a taste of what they wanted.

[@piepmatzzz]

That's exactly what they said in the 1930s. The Conservatives helped Hitler to form a government, because they thought the NSDAP would soon show that they aren't that great after all. Well, shortly after that, Germany became a dictatorship.

[@nifrain9494]

If there was the guarentee they won't try to undermine democracy that is maybe worth a gamble. But you don't know that. Even more important: don't underestimate the consequences of any party going in coalition with the AFD, because there is a big chance that that party's electors don't want it and will this punish their party afterwords Many people want AFD , but for way more it is the absolute last thing they want

[@goose9515]

I think you maybe let them into government and use the courts system to make sure they can't deport millions of people and give them huge media coverage while they do all this so they look evil

[@whitezombie10]

Yeah the left is shooting itself in the foot through all of Europe

[@x0kosmus0x]

10 min. Here's the real TLDR: we f*cked up by caring more about a budget without deficit than about the well being of the population.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

No buddy, it's people like you who are the problem. Everything is about money, nothing about people or their culture.

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

Granted, that's mostly the fault of the FDP (who refused to lend their support to anything that would unbalance the budget)

[@KappaClaus]

Really? You advocate for the Argentinian model? Debt is addicting.

[@jojom.9545]

​@@KappaClausbut if you dont invest in anything, especially the things the "normal" citizen needs, education, welfare/infrastructure and healthcare, of course you crash your country...

[@x0kosmus0x]

The USA is far better off than Germany after the pandemic, because they increased spending to stimulate the economy. During an economic crisis all marked actors try to avoid risk and reduce spending. But someone has to spend money to prevent a recession. I don't know what went wrong in Argentina 20 years ago, but I don't think you can compare Argentina with Germany. Germany is still the largest economy in Europe and third in the world. We could handle some amount of debt during a crisis

[@dansattah]

Actually, in the recent interview, Mrs. Wagenknecht shot down working with Mr. Höcke in particular, the AfD politician who can be legally referred to as a "fascist" after the court cases he lost.

[@puddingsimon2626]

Wagenknecht is just a strawman, she has light AFD talking points but will flip to the old establishment leftwing policies as soon as she gets power. She’s runs a puppet party with the only goal of siphoning votes away from the afd

[@triforce_xiii]

der Bernd...

[@User-fd2fr]

Cases he rightly lost for freedom of speech reasons. Just like the cases against Habeck who can legally be called an Idiot.

[@jdools4744]

“Acktchually 🤓☝️”

[@anthemsofeurope2408]

He lost the court case because the court itself belongs to the government. The judges are members of the government parties

[@MarioGoatse]

Remember guys. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You’re seeing the results of the previous governments pro immigration policies. People are getting sick of it

[@gusgrow9768]

Is that true? Austria gave the anti-immigrant people want they want and the far right looks like it is going to win. Not to mention the areas with the most immigration seem the least bothered by it

[@surfacepro3328]

No that is just not true, this is the result of 40 years of neoliberalism and austerity which has left everyone but the richest .1 % poorer and public infrastructure in terrible condition but yeah, keep pinning poor people against other poor people that will surely solve the problem

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@surfacepro3328 : How does the government, public sector and national dept in general keep growing if there is "neoliberalism" ? Austerity is the natural result of government overspending.

[@SneedSeeding]

@@surfacepro3328 Dude, importing migrants is inherently anti working class. They prevent wages from being raised and raise housing prices plus are almost always more loyal to the status quo compared to local workers because they get a living standard bump that doesn't cost as much to improve the lives of the people already in the region (e.g. the migrants live better and we still live poor). What you said is true but mass migration is also extremely problematic and liberalism, denying one or the other is just counter productive.

[@MarioGoatse]

@@surfacepro3328 Yeah the fact that people are singing “Auslander Raus” and marching in the streets, while nearby European countries are doing very similar things is just a coincidence apparently. It’s just the neoliberal policies….

[@alx9r]

I’m beginning to think that TLDR is fundamentally hopeless at accurately describing political party platforms.

[@GEIR_Secular]

Germany is waking up gradually.

[@5fr4ewq]

Follow your leader.

[@deleted2446]

But sadly it takes to much time to happen

[@Mrcoffe-xw8gz]

Just for the not far right crowd. In this case it very much is. They littelary call Saxony Central Germany because Eastern Germany for them is in Poland. A spokes person for the AfD said that in a interview with Polish news netwrok, as a source btw.

[@peterfireflylund]

And they are not wrong, you know. And West Germany is in France and Northern “Germany” is actually Danish.

[@jacques.cousteau]

Sounds sus. Source?

[@icephoenix5466]

It has been the name of the region for more than a hundred years no wonder the people in the region itself will continue that tradition.

[@adineatha9766]

Jokes aside, Poland and Kaliningrad used to be Eastern Germany. Slavic settlers from the Russian Empire adopted Catholicism and became known as Polish people. After WW1 Eastern Poland was predominantly Polish and Catholic largely due to the help from the Orthodox Russian Empire. While the rest was still German and Protestant after the Reformation in the 1500s. After WW2 Polish people had become the majority population in most of Poland, thanks to the Soviet Union. During the Cold War most Germans fled Eastern and Central Europe. It's pretty fascinating how much influence Germanic people had over Europe before WW1. Germans was a minority in most of Europe, but ruled most of Europe. Most of the Royal families could be traced to German or Germanic people. Persecution of German Protestant people intensified in Communist Europe.

[@justagame101]

Nutter

[@samsmith2635]

"Eastern States" You Mean middle Germany, not East.... **Stares in Friedrich II **

[@Jakeripper-w7x]

YES

[@alex29443]

Who would have thought that a bunch of very unpopular parties gather together (consequently minimising the difference between themselves, increasing the feeling that they are all part of the same club) and say; 'that party over there is not with us, they are different and bad,' that this would boost the popularity of the party that has been pushed out?

[@mirceadonciu4983]

You are actually legally allowed to call Hoeke a fascist according to German courts

[@rimilien]

Yeah its also illegal to say "everything for North Korea" , just replace North Korea with Germany, I am prohibited by law to cheer on my country, so I cheer on another distopya, which is legal

[@captainvanisher988]

A true dystopia. Where speech is heavily regulated by the government and you need VPN to even browse social media without heavy post restrictions.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

Imagine a country that defines giving everything for said country as fascism. In any sane society that's cheered and applauded. Self-sacrifice is the basis of any nation.

[@cw732]

​ Fascism is not "giving everything for your country", that's Patriotism. Also he is legally allowed to be called a Fascist not because of his rhetoric, but because he has been arrested twice for using Nazi imagery.

[@DerSim688]

@@rimilien You are absolutely allowed to cheer on your country, you are just not allowed to use NS-Propaganda like ‘Alles für Deutschland’ for that. Should be obvious considering our history…

[@BRONCOWEN]

If centrist parties weren’t so absurd with their migration policies this wouldn’t be an issue.

[@ProfessionalBadPerson]

Yes, it is absurd these centirst parties appease the far right but passing absurd restrictive immigration policies, we need more mass migration

[@cmd7930]

@@ProfessionalBadPersonand we need more far right to cleanse the mass migration

[@256shadesofgrey]

You mean if centrist parties existed in the first place instead of every one of them pretending to be such being a carbon copy of the greens.

[@gusgrow9768]

Is that true? Austria gave the anti-immigrant people want they want and the far right looks like it is going to win. Not to mention the areas with the most immigration seem the least bothered by it

[@monke3842]

​​@@gusgrow9768 natives are usually the ones who dislike immigration. Areas with many immigrants obviously have fewer natives, so fewer of the people who are against immigration. This isn't rocket science. Please think before commenting.

[@shk439]

Finally TLDR separating social left-right spectrum and economic left-rught spectrum

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

There is no left/right social spectrum. They are on the scale between Conservatism and Progressivism.

[@enesutkuozdemir7335]

Left and right are contextual and relational rather than analytic and universal. Political compass is superstition (CCRU sense).

[@PaulVincent-n2x]

Who else is sick of far left reporters and news agencies?!

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

@@PaulVincent-n2x Who else is sick of far-right internet trolls and bot farms?!

[@locorum9103]

​@@ParasocialCatgirl Don't worry, they only ever swarm the clickbait videos about right wing parties and immigration.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

@@ParasocialCatgirl dehumanizing is a tried and true tactic of far left extremists makes the camps easier to justify

[@deleted2446]

@@ParasocialCatgirl There are none, but far-leftists like you

[@deleted2446]

I am, and 20% of Germans

[@Adamm17004]

Buddy, East Germany fell a couple decades ago… Oh wait

[@adineatha9766]

The real East Germany is present day Poland, Czechoslovakia and Kaliningrad (Köenigsberg). Slavic settlers with the help from Russian Empire and later Soviet Union pushed the Germans out.

[@nurventilatoren]

​@@adineatha9766 And what was left was colonized by the West Germans.

[@crocodileguy4319]

​@@adineatha9766bruhhe

[@TheBooban]

They have to include EAST for propaganda purposes. Their left bias is showing.

[@youtubewatcher2]

​@@adineatha9766one Reich?

[@dannyarcher6370]

"Far right"

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@Teemustaja : They are neither Far-Right nor Fascist (Far-Left).

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@Teemustaja You can't "legally" consider something fascist.

[@dannyarcher6370]

@@Teemustaja Political scientists can't decide what fascism is, so how does the judicial system? Oh, that's right. It's just "people and ideas we don't like".

[@irtakus]

@@dannyarcher6370 Hoecke, a history teacher, used nazi slogans exactly like the nazis did. So he is, at the very least, taking lessons in electioneering from them.

[@leppard57]

Why is AFD labelled far right but Greens not labelled far left?

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

Because green means renewable energy, first and foremost. Wanting the planet to survive is left now?

[@hismajesty6272]

@WalterWhite-jz7ct Wanting to ban the right wing is far left.

[@casperkejser1712]

@@WalterWhite-jz7ctand wanting not be stabbed and save the German people is far-right? Nice analogy there buddy

[@metetural9140]

Are they communist, socialist or anarchist?

[@enesutkuozdemir7335]

​@@metetural9140socially they are more Revolutionary than "old left"

[@Lilla88able]

Can we finally say Liberalism and Globalism have failed?

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

Liberalism hasn't even been tried yet. No country has a Night-watchman state.

[@thomasaquinas1457]

Ah democracy... the system where the single most popular party is excluded from government.

[@_Devil]

All the EU had to do was not replace their native populations and this wouldn't be happening, the AFD wouldn't even be a thing 💀💀

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

With how connected the world is now and going to be, soon there will be no more "native" popularity and thats not a bad thing. The bad thing is when ppl are anvocating for "Ethno states" and think thats gonna work -.-

[@covfefe1787]

@@WalterWhite-jz7ct China, Greece, Egypt have been ethno states for thousands of years and still exist. Try that again. Multicultural empires never ever survive they all collapse. Ethno states always survive because they have a power structure that never goes away. Multi cultural empires like the USA, Russia and India, all have troubles and will one day cease to exist because cultures cannot coexist with each other without tensions that eventully lead to war and the complete annihaltion of the other. China did this for thousands of years until Han Chinese became 92% of China which once was home to thousands of different langauges and cultures.

[@nel5518]

@@covfefe1787 you know that transportation also improved by time? How can you compare those ancient times with today lol.

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

@@covfefe1787 And you think they don't have problems? First of all, they ain't pure "Ethno states" since they allow outside travel and you can move there as a none local. Second of all, they all have severe issues that may not come from immigration but are still ruinus to the country. China is a massive World power that is, in essence, just rich N korea. They have a lot of sway but are a communist regime that has silently carried out a few Genocides, with maybe the worst rich to poor ratio in the world. Greece had to be bailed out by Germany for billions and then pretended it never happened, remember that? If Ethno states are so perfect, why do they need so much damn help and influence from non ethno states? Just becasue they are old, doesn't mean they work perfectly and you also ignore the Multi cultural countries that do work like Australia or India

[@WorstLandsknechtEver]

And maybe more respect for culture

[@zomfgroflmao1337]

I think what often gets forgotten is the fact that even before the AfD, many of the traditional parties apart from the CDU and Linke never had a real stronghold in the east, so their share of votes doesn't really surprise even without them being in government.

[@joshuadavies5631]

The firewall tactic doesn't work in the long term all it does is cement the view that they are in fact the only opposition whilst making the governing parties even less effective- eg imagine how bad a cdu, spd, and die linke coalition is going to be.

[@A_Saban]

amazing coverage feels great to watch a 10 min video and fully understand the topic, without all the time prolonging just to make it longer with no real reason.

[@Suburp212]

Simply look at what happened in the 1930s in Germany. Same reasons, same results, same parties.

[@TeunSegers]

Love your reporting, but please buy a few studio lights

[@ghazalizul9126]

I remembered that TLDR said Afd are slowly losing their support from voters. How the table has turned

[@hammer3721]

They are having a meltdown right now.

[@abhimanyunath2001]

TLDR is far left LGBTQIA party. 😅

[@hammer3721]

@@abhimanyunath2001 Completely accurate.

[@RedXlV]

AfD's support comes entirely from the poorly-populated and shrinking former East Germany, where dictatorship remains popular.

[@DaveSmith-pm2yq]

Here form the USA Half the sources call AFD "Mustache man" While half say that they are nothing close to that Can someone explain to me BOTH sides of this argument?

[@MrNukedawhales]

well... the afd is the most right party in germany.. therefore it attracts the most right-wing ppl/gets votes from them. to compare it to the us... there have always been very right wing "factions" in the republican party... but that doesnt mean that the whole party is right wing - even today there are some centrist republicans... aaanyway... so yes, there are (most likely) very right-wing "factions" in the afd, but by outlawing the afd you wont solve the issue, because then another party will just take that spot of the most right-wing party.. and then you have to ban them.. btw which happened in the past... but thats basically what the "mustache man" faction is saying: there are some crazy nuts in that party, therefore the whole party is nuts, therefore we have to ban them... we had the same issue not just with right-wing, but with left wing parties... the party to the very left of the spectrum attracts the anti-democratic left... so we have to ban them... the other side argues, that the parties manifesto is not unconstitutional / they dont want to overthrow democracy. compared to the usa i would argue, that their manifesto is way left of todays republicans - or if you want to compare it to the uk, i would say, that both the tories and reform uk are way more right-wing than the afd. so in an international comparison they are not "far-right", but in the german spectrum they are at the right edge. now back to the "mustache man" side... they say, that the party is hiding its true intentions and they would destroy democracy when in power... so it comes down to who you believe and wether you think that party is secretly run by the nut "faction" or not...

[@DaveSmith-pm2yq]

@@MrNukedawhales Thank you very much.

[@DaveSmith-pm2yq]

@@MrNukedawhales Thank you very much. For quick clarification, when people say "right" they sometimes mean very dominantly one or two of these things. 1. Ethno-nationalism (Mustache) 2. Cultural nationalism (Geert Wilders) 2. General populism against the ruling class (Trump/ Farage) 3. Socially conservative (Usually religiously minded) 4. Economically libertarian. (Thatcher - Reagan) Could be up to all of these, but usually isn't all. Which of these would you say the AFD is?

[@MrNukedawhales]

@@DaveSmith-pm2yq thats really difficult to answer... but i would say DOMINANTLY not "mustache"... and pretty much a "best of" of 2 and 4 (funnily enough you have two twos in your list ;) ) - e.g. they want a smaller government / less bureaucracy, lower taxes, less "wellfare state" etc. then there is a lot of populism (which goes well with lower taxes and all the other liberterianism sutff btw). against the ukraine war (they have had their fair share of party donations from putin, just like trump and farage) etc. BUT absolutely no "religiously minded" stuff, unlike in the usa. heres the kicker... contrary to the us, the afd considers themselves to be "the elite". the WANT successful doctors, laywers etc to run their party, they dont want uneducated "drop-outs" to run the show - people like taylor-greene and "i-forgot-her-name-the-crazy-cinema-ex-callgirl" are not part of their rooster... unlike the left, who has a lot of drop-outs and people whose only career is politics, e.g. one current minister is a former college dropout callcenter worker etc. the afd really doesnt want those people to govern. they dont try to appeal to the average hillbilly that way, unlike the republicans. so you wont hear any jewish spacelaser stuff.

[@MrNukedawhales]

@@DaveSmith-pm2yq test.. my last reply got auto-deleted... hm

[@shadowpat810]

European politics should be fun to follow

[@MareTranquil]

Not nearly as fun as US politics will be soon, especially if Trump loses by a small margin.

[@TheCommentor-]

Unironically so, because it’s common for small alternative parties to become popular very quickly

[@rettenthetetlen8759]

​@@MareTranquil and Kamala The Klown will sit there like Joker to destroy everything left from the western culture. Let's celebrate together.

[@notlucas6859]

@@MareTranquil oh lord

[@humptydumpty3345]

@@MareTranquilwill Europe really vote to the right of the United States?

[@bassafarside6071]

To add to the mix of info on this: Germany has 84.7 million residents at the end of 2023. At the same date, Thuringia has about 2.2 million and Saxony has 4.1 million.

[@deutschermichel5807]

Yes?

[@danhobart4009]

And 3/4 minors in germany arent german

[@CrapeCraft]

@@Teemustaja It's actually 41% in 2022, still very high considering 30 years ago it was nearly 100 outside of some turks

[@philipplawrence]

My comment keeps getting deleted, maybe because I'm posting statista links. Very annoying. Anyway, there are 8.43 million migrants aged 0 - 24 in Germany. In total, Germany has 20.45 million inhabitants in that age group. Dividing 8.43 by 20.45 equals 0.41. What CapeCraft wrote about the 41% is exactly correct. Maybe they set it so they have to manually review comments with links before they come through, so hopefully that happens and you can verify it yourself with those 2 statista links. I'm taking these numbers from a graph titled "Number of persons* with migration background in Germany in 2023, by age" and another one titled "Population of Germany in 2023, by age group". If you google them, you can probably find them yourself.

[@bassafarside6071]

@@philipplawrence A "migration background" is a broader term than "migrant." If one parent was not born in Germany, then the children have a "migration background", as do e.g. my kids although they would fit exactly the "common wisdom" of what "Germans" are like.

[@MattPerdeck]

Question is whether the parties forming the new state governments will analyze why so many people voted AfD, and start taking the concerns of those people seriously. That would probably take a lot of steam out of the AfD.

[@shattered7579]

Absolutely, I hope they think about it

[@theharoldsshow]

The Youth has become extremely disenfranchised. We see it in every country. The liberal parties have become the establishment, and youth is always anti-establishment.

[@SobberMacSobberMac]

I think the youth of the nation do not want to be replaced.

[@HelpfulJulian]

Something that is worth mentioning, the federal state Thüringen has barely 2 million population, while Sachsen has 4 million. Germany has a population of 85 million. Of course it is very bad news that the AfD managed to win a federal state election, but those Eastern States make up a very, very small percentage of the entire German population.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

why is it bad news that the people might be heard for once?

[@RedXlV]

@@ashardalondragnipurake AfD voters *shouldn't* be heard.

[@Mako2401]

Just to be clear. These people are complaining about being ignored and put down. And you make a comment in the lines of - so who cares what they voted, they are a small percentage of the population. Talk about irony.

[@jesusimpersonator1648]

@@Mako2401 if 5 million people said the sky was neon green, but all meteorologists say the sky is blue, would you accept the opinion of those 5 million people as true or the meteorologists (who have spent most of their lives specifically studying and creating academic institutions to being as accurate as possible when describing weather phenomena and have repeatedly told those 5 million that no, the sky is not currently green)

[@Mako2401]

@@jesusimpersonator1648 Keep ignoring these people and see what happens.

[@lux2094]

as concerning as these results are I can't say that the actions of the current government don't warrant a lot of criticism. the FDP in particular completely got in the way of any meaningful action and the other two parties let it happen and now they are facing the severe electoral consequences. get your shit together Germany or you're going to revive the European axis since Maloney's already in power in Italy

[@FernandoPerez3h.]

After the situation in Solingen,Mannhein(Germany), there's no doubt why they chose that party. People want to be heard, but those partied never listen and do whatever they want.

[@lucan2431]

AFD could have done nothing about the act in Solingen. Racism and Fascism have never done anything good for Germany!

[@LynďonLaRouch]

​@@lucan2431 Ideology of George Soros have never done anything good to Germany and whole Europe.

[@Anonyomus_commenter]

So one immigrant out of millions committing a terror attack justifies deporting all non-ethnic Germans?

[@jameswong7086]

Ach Scheiße, es geht schon wieder los.

[@Pattern_Noticer]

Kannst wieder Mal der Linken und den Kommunisten danken genau so wie in den vorherigen 20ern 👌

[@pacivalmuller9333]

@Pattern_Noticer Ich bitte Sie, die Kommunisten und Linken der 20er waren wirkliche Kommunisten und Linke. Sie sorgten sich um die Arbeitenden. Heutzutage sind die Linken ein Witz, zumindest in westlichen Ländern. Mehr LGBTQ als eigentliche Linke Ideen.

[@DerSim688]

@@Pattern_Noticer Das war damals falsch und ist heute genau so falsch.

[@guntherdergarstigeganter6431]

@@Pattern_Noticer Der Name ist Programm

[@WalterWhite-jz7ct]

@@Pattern_Noticer "DIE SIN SCHULD" partei is anwesend...

[@Minimmalmythicist]

One thing I don´t like is how the headline is "AFD won the election", 70% of people did not vote for the AFD. In German elections there are rarely overall winners and it doesn´t imply any right to govern, if you can´t get a majority with other parties. It would be more accurate to say "AFD" single biggest party.

[@ashardalondragnipurake]

by that definition nobody won the election and nobody ever will win any election in europe they are the biggest party and continue to grow, its a victory of a kind sadly they are still not in power so the people still havnt won

[@kevinh3238]

Everyone says that. Literally every election when a party has the most votes people say that that party won the election

[@HyperScorpio8688]

When it takes the entire rest of the political system to try and stop you from governing anything, you basically won the election in a dying democracy

[@nifrain9494]

​@@kevinh3238 Who says that? From a judicial standpoint you have no right to govern if you don't have or find a majority. Until then you have simply no legitimation to rule. There all discussion ends

[@Minimmalmythicist]

@@kevinh3238 the press says that, I think personally it´s misleading, such elections do not have "winners" and losers the same way the US presidential election does.

[@braedenh6858]

If Germany is going to keep ignoring its voters when they elect parties it doesn’t like, it should probably revamp it's electoral system. Just say "these are the acceptable choices, pick one". And it's not just Germany - it's happening across Europe.

[@zukritzeln]

Pro-immigration, net zero and Ukraine are all very expensive global initiatives that don't directly benefit voters. Because of that people are starting to oppose them, but instead of listening to voters concerns, the left-wing and moderate parties are choosing to ignore them. Or in the case of the UK, arrest them. All this will do is lead to voters favouring more extreme right-wing parties, which is exactly what we are starting to see happen in Europe right now.

[@locorum9103]

The entire reason immigration is so high in the UK is that there is a severe shortage of essential workers in various sectors. Immigration is not an 'expensive initiative' - it's clearly viewed as cheaper than fundamentally restructuring the economy to suit workers. I'm sure the Tories would've preferred to lower the levels than to get destroyed at the polls - they simply couldn't because they support neoliberal capitalism. The same is true of Labour, unfortunately.

[@milan1_092]

they always say you need to vote this or that to save democracy i feel like the term democracy is thrown arround too much

[@fabriciomanuel8775]

⁠@@locorum9103actually, no. In the UK something like 42% of immigration visas in the last two years were for either students or their dependents, which is an insane number just to prop up one industry. It’s also not an essential industry, contrary to what you said.

[@locorum9103]

@@fabriciomanuel8775 Sure, those are a large percentage of visas, but much of the increase in visas has been health and care visas, as a direct result of the loss of EU workers in the last half decade

[@fabriciomanuel8775]

@@locorum9103 a smaller proportion of immigration is related to healthcare but yeah, I agree. Leaving the EU was a massive mistake.

[@SuperSmashDolls]

2:44 That's not socially conservative! That's just being a tankie (authoritarian left)!

[@ParasocialCatgirl]

@@SuperSmashDolls well yeah tankies generally _are_ socially conservative.

[@raybod1775]

AFD did well in spite of full negative media and government abuse. People in U.S. are also waking up and will vote in Trump.

[@LoneWolf-wp9dn]

"It's all your fault you ungrateful plebs" they scream from their ivory towers

[@bradduncan8515]

I am hoping a German can explain to me that if the main driving force in the rise of the AfD is immigration, then why is the CDU the major party least affected. Merkel and the CDU were in power in 2015 during the refugee crisis, right?

[@cesare4926]

Because old people are idiots and just vote for the same party all the time even tho they don't represent them at all

[@deutschermichel5807]

Yes, but now they arenʼt anymore. People hate the current government more

[@jakobuchiha9906]

It's because the CDU were known for relative strict immigration policies. And because we have a lot of boomers that still believes this and didn't realize that this has changed(or just hoping it will turn back) and are voting for the same party just because they are used to this, they get reelected. You can see this by looking at the age distribution: Young people in these regions vote mainly for the AfD, the older ones for CDU. The AfD is probably a lot closer to the CDU from 1990 then the CDU now in terms of migration policies. Another factor is that people switch between the traditionally two biggest parties, theCDU and the SPD, from election to election. So if one of these parties forms the government and things don't go that well they vote for the other party. Since we have a SPD-federal-government now, and people are sick of too much immigrants they just vote for CDU again

[@bradduncan8515]

@@jakobuchiha9906 Thank you for answering.

[@jakobuchiha9906]

@@bradduncan8515 Np

[@trailguy]

I wonder if “far right” in Germany is as accurate as “racist” is in the USA. Id love to know what political stances cause a German to be called “far right.”

[@izumemori]

Claiming that "not all SS officers were bad people", using nazi rhetoric and saying "Hitler and the Nazis are just a blip in over 1000 years of successful German history". Constantly rambling on about our "Homeland" (using a word that's very much owned by the Nazi Party also called the Homeland, at least when it comes to political speech). Constantly attracting actual nazis, using exclusively white, blue eyed or blonde actors in their ads to portray families. Starting multiple hate campaigns against established parties that have led to injury and even a death. They are anti-same sex marriage, want a "patriotic" education, want to deport ALL people with any sort of migrant background. I could go on but that should give a good summary of why this party is avoided by pretty much all democratic parties.

[@flo3467]

The legacy parties made their own beds over decades, and now they are surprised they have to sleep in it...

[@user-sp6kf5dm7o]

bad news for the goverment good news for the people

[@gelber_kaktus]

What is usually forgotten, that the Ampel coalition was not very popular in votes in both states at the last federal election.

[@TheMasterTeddy]

Last week, TLDR talked about technocratic governments. I think Thuringia will need one.

[@goose9515]

Technocratic governments are in favour of immigration because it's good for the economy, the average east German voter won't like that

[@ErmisSouldatos]

The BSW are not "a mix of far-left and far-right ideas", they are clearly on the left. Sarah Wagenknecht herself sees her party as what Die Linke was meant to be, which is correct. It is economically very left wing, socially conservative (at least by today's standards), sees Russia favorably, and is primarily polular with people who are nostalgic for the East German past. In other words, they are just old school, eastern bloc communists. It is just that in most western countries, the left has begun to prioritise woke issues and has completely dropped the pretense of caring about the working class, which it views with contempt. Then the people who completely changed the left's agenda turn around, look at the leftists who remained lpyal to the same beliefs as the left had always had, and call those people "fascist", "bigoted", "far-right" or anything else of that sort.

[@TheBooban]

Correct. How do you write the truth without getting deleted?

[@soundscape26]

So, a Tankie basically

[@SuperCreeper38]

Ah yes the based tankies that care about the working class and not the woke purple-haired progressives. This is some next-level stalin bootlicking we have going on here.

[@pacivalmuller9333]

BSW is Not a but communist, stop throwing words around. This is an insult to other communists.

[@TheBooban]

@@pacivalmuller9333 comments that don’t explain why are so annoying and such a waste.

[@JohnSmith-hw8wh]

It’s about time Europe started to return to tradition

[@volkerkalhoefer3973]

the "Brandmauer"😂😂

[@Oendikla]

i didn't know either how dictatorship works until my country (Hungary) became one. but that's too late. i was also thinking "if they are so popular, then what's the problem?" there's no way back. no new democracies in the world for 30 years

[@deutschermichel5807]

Is Hungary a dictatorship?

[@SobberMacSobberMac]

Yes! a dictator is someone who doesn't allow migrants in their country, I wont travel to Hungary until the most common baby name is Mohammed. This will ensure that there are no dictators there.

[@GearUpind]

NO worries One day AFD will form Govt without any Coalition and Absolute Majority for Independence from Both west and east.

[@Jakeripper-w7x]

AFD WIN

[@Kaspa969]

The Linke lost a lot of votes because their eastern regions chapter became a lot more liberal and simmiliar to the western ones, so BSW took their role as the conservative left party in those regions.

[@Tini_Scrapitti]

Germany has to conduct major dialogue about traditional German culture and population growth, economic growth, immigration and freedom vs Putler style autocracy.

[@alizaidi2893]

Didn't they already have this conversation back in the 30s by electing the guy with the weird mustache

[@jojom.9545]

​@@alizaidi2893that wasnt much of a conversation...

[@santiagopayan2531]

Yes Germans want a good German economy, freedom and lets say tradition, what is traditional German no idea, not to suicide their economy because some guy in USA and France and england decided so, to save another country nobody cares about.

[@jdools4744]

No way you unironically said “Putler”

[@davidgretzschelcommunicati1630]

@@alizaidi2893 No, very different conversation topics. Also less conversation, more shouting and violent streetfights.

[@Elkator955]

"She is a proponent of far left economic policies, and far right on social issues" Just call her (and her party) what she is: a Putinist-Stalinist. It's not that hard, guys.

[@joshuadavies5631]

Hilarious seeing the governing coalition getting (rightfully) absolutely bodied, has there been a bigger defeat of government parties in an election?

[@siempresonrie5924]

Its a big loss but you gotta keep in mind that in those two states they were performing bad already in 2019

[@ivanskrypov4030]

It only appears that way if you don't know that neither SPD nor Grüne nor FDP were ever strong in Saxony and Thuringia. The results are much worse for "Die Linke", who used to be a power in the east

[@jesuslikeslsdnwiid]

the fact that ppl are voting AFD is restoring my faith in humanity

[@venty20]

I love how democratic this process is that they can just agree to ignore the will of the populist right.

[@Ganjor420]

I am a bit confused how calm the rest of the world is reacting to the rise of fascism in Germany again.

[@Ganjor420]

@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. Not sure if thats already Holocaustleugnung but it's worth a report.

[@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.]

@@Ganjor420 : You people don't read much history do you?

[@louiscypher4186]

Because the rest of the world aren't terminally online clowns. The AfD aren't fascists, you just think they are because you're a leftwing nutjob.

[@issyeboi2060]

@@Historia.Magistra.Vitae.they are idiots don’t bother, people who’s brains are so rotted by the media they don’t think for themselves or look at the overall situation

[@dingus6317]

After 2015 it was inevitable

[@janhumiecki2827]

Btw as a Pole I'm kinda scared of what is coming next

[@98TrueRocker98]

Dont be naive

[@tnickknight]

Not much different than PiS

[@yetkinbilgen3430]

4th time in a charm 😝🙋🏻‍♂️

[@peterfireflylund]

@@tnickknightmuch better than PiS. The PiS party broke the constitution and other laws left and right in order to maintain one-party rule. AfD is legal and non-extremist… and will never be able to rule alone, anyway.

[@janhumiecki2827]

@@tnickknight eh, a bit different but both suck and oppose them as a threat to democracy (and the AFD to peace)