Get Good : When to Speak up!

[@nennorkiporkos]

Thank you so much for this and other series Preacher! I've been playing wow for years on and off, usually during summer and xmas holidays. Always enjoyed tanking, but never dared to step up. My brother is in the same situation. Last night, we formed an Antorus PUG, I was the raidleader, and we cleared 11/11 with only 4 out of the 15 guys having done all of it. Your guides were crucial in making me understand how to improve, improve fast, and actually get shit done :D

[@donniecarney5143]

I just wanna say, I have LOVED this series I am learning so much. Thank you for uploading and keep it up!

[@SlinkyOCE]

Pretty Solid video preach. Many lessons to be learned. Constantly wondering why I never got past where I’ve always sat in terms of skill. Now it’s pretty apparent. Cheers! To becoming a more versatile player!

[@michaelcoffey498]

" no smart ass comment now?" too funny :) ty for the time passion and help as always Gang

[@MrJme007]

keep up the good work man, your positivity is refreshing!

[@Salivorin]

A big side benefit of volunteering for me: Your DPS becomes irrelevent. We all have 'that guy' who's constantly trying to badmouth people for their dps (while ignoring stuff like multidotting, padding, etc) and if you're an anxious person like me, that's stressful. But if your not dps'ing for a portion of the fight, automatically everyone knows your dps is skewed and you have a built in excuse (on top of being more valuable to the raid in general).

[@grick7379]

Recently, all I was doing was DPS. I was the guy that stood out on Portal Keeper to help with Imps (N). I didn't even do bats as an Ele Sham on Eonar the first time. So when it came to Heroic, they asked me to do the last Cannon on High Council. As someone with an anxiety disorder it was really hard to accept it but once I did and did it fine it felt so oddly gratifying. Kinda thought back to you on your WoD video about volunteering and now I've been doing all kinds of stuff for the guild and it's improved my gameplay in only a month or so.

[@Alchemagician]

Yeah I get your feelings on that. I have a severe anxiety disorder too and I've made the questionable decision of tanking for PUG raids. It's really difficult to manage my emotions around it but it's a fun time when it goes ok.

[@diggoryx]

The man's right. If you lack confidence, actually doing one of these little jobs that need doing to secure a kill does boost your confidence cause you feel like you contributed that little bit extra to an encounter than most people.

[@yoyoipwn1]

I think SoO did volunteer fights the best, with fights like Blackfuse and his conveyor belt, Galakras and the towers, Iron Scorpion and its bombs, and probably a few I have forgotten.

[@PhaseLotA]

Ran a guild for 11 years at heroic raid level. We had a mage who did this stuff all the time. He was one of the most valuable raiders we had. No joke, and when he wasn't there I noticed it. What preach says here is beyond true. Top video guys. Quality.

[@TheNMR1989]

I recently joined a new guild progressing Immonar. Previously i only killed dogs. As a Ret Paladin, when i first joined them for council, the leader asked who can replace someone who couldn't come for pod #2... I immidiatly stepped up, and at first it was a little weird and wonky (i didnt have a weak aura for the stacks) but i caught the jist of it, and now everytime we do Council, i get pod 2. My damage is dogshit, but i feel like i contribute more to the kill than if i just sat there thinking like a dick "please dont pick me!". It stemmed from watching your vids and hearing "you should be the volunteer". Solid advice and thank you for the great content Mike. Much love and respect!

[@riccardogianni470]

Always love the way you say things to us preach, love your vids, all of them, keep it up

[@fettbob14]

Part of the reason I initially got invited to PuG raids in MoP on my hunter was I put in the note (back when you could put yourself out there solo) "Volunteer for Galakras Towers, Siegecrafter belts, and Engineer duty". I even messed up disengaging onto the belt the first few times and didn't get kicked.

[@praetor2050]

Yes!! Thank you!! Shouting this to players in most games, Jefe, and everybody looks at me strangely.

[@Gaming_Groove]

Volunteering for frustrating add-tank jobs definitely made me a better main tank. I was way better at dealing with things going south from my experience handling weird mechanics. Kiting slimes while handling cleanses on Rotface was probably one of the best learning experiences I had in WoW.

[@flipboy420]

This happened to me when progressing on 10-man ICC Lich King. I was by far top damage on my Arcane Mage but we needed more heals so I volunteered and got on my priest. Low and behold going into Heroic ICC I was much better than our 2nd healer so I was stuck healing all of Heroic ICC...

[@pulcoco365]

For those who actually want to be that guy, best advice is to play a hunter or a rogue, since we're always asked to do special actions on nearly every single fight since you have immunities/movement/sap/trap or whatever. As a hunter it really allowed me to improve as a player : i can think of of dozen fights when i had a completely different gameplay than my fellow guildmates, and it felt great =)

[@madmann225]

10:50 That single sentence just made me realize why LFR's are so bad. I feel like such a noob looking a people there an go "How can you die to that?" They were prob looking at their spells or the meter instead of timers (if they even have those installed) and then die to instant death mechanics

[@sddulloo]

Madmann how i wish they only died to instant death mechanics.

[@A_WoW_Player]

Instant Death mechanics in LFR? Name one.

[@grantmoser5393]

Great video mate, keep it up.

[@daviddavid6631]

THank you so much for these video's they have helped so much

[@FatMan2539]

13:00 pod guy is my jam, in normal PUGs i'm always like "i'll be pod guy" on the way to high command (sure it's not heroic so i can't be like "i'll take the pod first" or however that works, but still) i'm also usually the guy that takes the fire orb thing on portal keeper (especially when i'm on my (feral) druid, less so on my lock) long story short, i'm sometimes already the guy that does the thing

[@Gewsfrahba]

i started raiding again in antorus and i was the guy that didn't want to be picked, but my raid leader picked me for the high command pods and after seeing how easy some of these things can be i volunteer as much as possible now

[@abiheydenburg4924]

Expectation: Get good at the game Reality: Get good at life

[@theendisloading4213]

The best volunteers in TBC were the people who sat out for Gorefiend because they couldn't press two buttons.

[@fatfreel33tsauce]

I really like it when you get past mechanics and go more into the mindset and motivation side of gaming. Even though it's "just" video games, when you want to excel in something it requires a change in attitude and some self motivation. You should make one of those motivation videos where they usually have slow mo sports things showing o the screen as they talk but instead have slow mo gameplay. lol

[@axelwedelin92]

As a former GM and officer of many guilds that plays a healer, I can tell you that I don't even have damage meters visible. The people I remember and count as invaluable members of the team are the ones who step up to do what needs to be done, not the people who win on dps.

[@iFORitzy]

in my last raid i was asked if i could do Varimathras Marked Prey on my rogue because the guilds rogue was not coming and i was like i can try and we end up doing fine. and anybody who are gonna say yey its easy as a rogue and ofc i should do it, but i was really scared to suddenly have a mechanic depending on me and it felt good to do more then just dps

[@smilezor]

i cant wait for our guild to do heroic command. During normal i told everyone that they would have to do a pod on heroic (pretty much) so bettter learn it now, and apart from a couple of people, no-one spoke up about wanting to do them.

[@Lackies]

This here, is the sole reason I have a spot in Mythic Raids. I am weaker than most other players in my guild when it comes to raw DPS or even DPS as a percentage of what I sim for. And obviously that's not good and I aim to improve, but after a certain point it doesn't even matter. When you are progressing you want that guy who does solid dps but makes sure raid success is his first priority not a pretty parse.

[@TheAssirra]

Hey man, pods on High Command is super hard! You gotta spamm 1 and sometimes even press 2!

[@MrToroin]

the Affli-Thingy is exatly what happend to me, we needed a WL and i had a capped WL with okayish gear and Legos, so i volunteered to go for WL. I hated it for all of ToS and switched back to my DK after ToS and now i am having real fun again.

[@laurelhill3505]

I am disinclined to acquiesce to your request.

[@manasseth4991]

Hector!

[@PhoenixKng]

LaurelHill Means no!

[@Kookiebiskit]

I only pug my way through the raid content, but I've been the volunteer since ToT. Ji-Kun's nests were my jam, so much fun.

[@Awokenify]

As a windwalker monk it seemed natural to me that I should do the first shift in the second pod on High Command. Few classes can get there quicker, and I usually manage to get four shields down before I have to bail out.

[@jeffreysmith5968]

back in bc we needed a tank. i was shaman at that point with maybe 5 months under my belt on the game. offered to try tanking on my druid. been tanking for the last 9 years. you'll be surprised how much your game play will improve and what you can learn from being "The guy".

[@Pepperpotk]

This applies to life in general

[@TheMightyroar]

Dunno if this is a good place to ask this but hey whatevs. I played as affli lock in the beginning of Legion and I loved it, except that my spec was dogshit. But I made do and kept it up and did decent dmg even though devs fucked me. I stopped however right before they buffed them and haven't really touched the game since. (Think it when Nighthold was released). I stopped mainly because everyone hated affli locks at the time and I also work nights which means time contraints. So my question is: Would it be even worth trying out a month or two again with my affli lock even with my time contraints? Is the gameplay even similiar compared to the beginning of the expac? Still work nights though but I'll manage.

[@4321Enjoy]

playing Disc is a good way to learn how to prepair for mechanics, as you need to have your atonements ready to top off

[@DKDABU]

I play a resto druid.. And in my current guild.. heroic aggramar, I'm on cc duty.. on Antoran High Command, normal, heroic, mythic I'm in the Pod rotation.. Portal Keeper normal, heroic and mythic.. I'm on the platforms, I even go and get the green debuff on mythic. I might be lower than the other healers we have on total output but I do what they don't.. And that's what makes it fun for me.. standing in one spot healing.. gets boring.. That's why playing as a dps never appealed to me at all..

[@benreschke7969]

Hey Preacher, long time viewer here. Love this video series. I just recently became the raidleader of my guild and im still pretty new at it. On wednesday we killed Heroic Argus as a guild for the first time. We do our Nomal farm raid on Thursdays. And this is where my question comes in: because i didnt wanna have a hassle as to who is doinig Pods on High Command or some other easy stuff, and because it is Normal farm content i myself would go and do those tasks. Now: should i ask my raiders if they want to volunteer for these tasks or should they ask me if they can do it? I really hope you read the comment. I love your content. Bye :)

[@NotOlzen]

some people might fear to ask like that. i think you should phrase it like "does any1 wonna have a go at the pods?" and then explain it for them what each special ability does. thats just my opinion though :)

[@A7XvDisturbed]

I actually hate High Command so much that I'd rather be in the pods.

[@goran77ish]

Watching this all the time I had Mike from LEgacy of the mage video refusing to decurse. playing dead. So, so true.

[@starnostras]

The big reveal at the end of this series is that it actually relates to RL. Be the guy!

[@fingerfarbenhd526]

Great Video! The Question is:"How do you tell others that your class just can't do it" I'm playing a shadow since cata and it was great for soaking etc until legion hit. Now my only def cd is basicly a dps cd and if I move somewhere to soak/do something special my dps is fucked for over a minute. HELP

[@robinpettersson3071]

As i guildmaster, I love that fucking guy that says they'll do shit. You can bet your ass they will have a spot in the next mythic raid while the dude that won the dps meter because he literally did nothing else than his rotation is riding the bench.

[@jeffreysmith5968]

we got a shaman like that. not ideal dps, but if he thinks he can do it, he offers. here's a jersey, you got the spot.

[@maggimaster]

My group has a hunter that literally refuses to follow simple instructions if it lowers his DPS... he has died to foebreaker and dpsed the wrong add on laser bro and I call him out every time

[@Julian-cn1ey]

I wish that more guilds maintained that mentality. During nighthold I was vital for multiple boss progressions with multiple grips, taunts, and the innate tankyness the unholy DK has. Always on bench outside of those fights from dps alone, sure unholy was the worst dps in the game at the time, but on most pulls, I would average low middle of the pack because the guild had multiple people who would just die during fights for various reasons. I was one of the best unholy dk's in the game at the time(handful of top 10 pulls (rank 2 at the time for chonomantic anomaly), usually never below rank 60), would always ask to do additional mechanics, was always the first to bres, was always sat in favor of an inferior player who could do more damage if more than 20 showed up. This continued into 7.2 after the raid was nerfed into the ground and when unholy could easily surpass dps checks. Ended up leaving the guild, I don't really regret it. I went into ToS as one of the top dps in a new similarly ranked guild after unholy got buffed. #onetrickpony

[@pldcanfly]

My Guild started noticing when certain mechanics of the fight did not get done when I was not there. Like on Inquisition-Bros in ToS Mythic. When I as a DK turned to the adds and was like "Fuck dps, imma chains of ice, grip and slow some bi***es with ma deseases". And suddenly people that where not that good at ccing stayed alive and did their dps. There are some fights where I tend to do unsung-hero stuff, as I am not really vocal about when I do certain things. But my raidleader noticed surely enough that whe I was there, some stuff got done, and that's why he does not even mind if my DPS is bad, because I had to do other things then merely dpsing.

[@MisterHappyPotato1]

Ugh, I'm the back up guy on pods in the guild, checked out all the controls in lfr tho, so when I see the guy who's next up dead, imma blow those mines to pieces!

[@mikemike7818]

I was "the guy" once that volunteerd to go into pots not realizing my WeakAuras would block everything in my screen

[@thespanishinquisition5526]

You had almost every tank in WOTLK, including a blood dk? Wasn't frost the tank spec in WOTLK? I was pretty sure.

[@pldcanfly]

Depends. Every Specc could specc for tank. While Frost was the easier specc, it was mainly good at lower gearlevels. Higher up a dks filled the niche that druids did. Soaking hateful strikes, and basically be a health-sponge for the other tps-monster-tanks (Paladins...), and blood was better at that.

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

When I do N antorus I force my pug to let me do all 3 pods just because I like to do different stuff from the usual. When I do it on H I demand I am the 1st person in pod 3 every time. I don't even understand how you could be scared to do them, it is literally 2 buttons.

[@Rallarberg]

I stopped playing WoW some time 'round November over a year ago, and started again almost a month ago. Now I'm struggling even to get into a mythic +0 group to do quests, as I can't be fucking asked to get to know a new guild. xD (prev guild got disbanded near the end of WoD, at 9/13M or something.) /sing It's A PUGcore Life....

[@GENUGSCHABERNACK]

Will there be a legacy video in the near future?

[@Adam-jn7nc]

TL'DW of this wideo Be wow version of Shyia le buff for your guild. "DO EEEET " make your pugs come due.

[@dariasraven]

Hail Preacher, long time fan. Just wanted you to know that your Patreon isn't listed in your links here or on your twitter. Your missing out on money dude.

[@vaaarhoven]

I volunteered to be the first pod guy :D

[@shadowmil]

So I play shadow priest, and in fact I have the highest cleave damage of anyone other player in my guild. On heroic high command they keep making me do second pods and we endup with like 8 adds up while I'm in the pod. I keep telling my raid leader that maybe I should do the third pod instead so I can DPS the adds but he won't hear any of it. :-(

[@NotOlzen]

i do the first part of the second pod on my boomkin and im the only boomkin in my raid (usually). even though im probably the best class for killing adds i still do it, and we do fine in my HC raids. i think you should talk to him about the people in your raid not killing the adds. everyone should help with it. because in HC the adds should die before the next set all the time. and we are talking like 5-10 sec before

[@shadowmil]

They do die before the next set except when I go into the pod. Nothing dies when I'm in the pod. I'm doing like 20% of the damage being done to the adds.

[@NotOlzen]

there must be something done wrong by the raid in general. we raid like 20 ppl useally. and they die real fast. i can barely dot up the pyromancer and cast starfall before the pyromancer is dead. so we are talking 3-4 GDC's

[@sophieatkinson12]

In my opinion and this is shared by my guild who raid mythic, shadow priests and boomkins don't belong in a pod. SPs especially because of the ramp up time. High Command was made for those classes. That is a fight that is a wet dream for those classes. If you leave them out of a pod and let them do raw dps uninterrupted they can do 3M+ dps and you'll stroll through the fight. Crappy melee or classes who have sub-par AOE should be in the pods. Also two healers should rotate the first pod because that's a chance for their mana to regen.

[@NotOlzen]

i agree that i shouldn't be in pods its definitely not optimal, but it seems not many in my raids are willing to do it. but eh, im fine with it.

[@Melodeath00]

But, doing all those "other jobs" are usually easier than simply just playing the fight the "normal way". Sure, getting rid of any fears one might have towards the issue, is a useful thing to do, but I fail to see how this has any effect on your overall skill lvl, or how it's going to make doing the regular Heal/Tank/Dps jobs any easier to do.

[@MrJayza89]

Melodeath00 it's completely dependant on the job at hand. Something like the pods on high command are a bad example of what preach was trying to explain. What he's trying to explain is that there are some fights that require some tasks to be done whilst still keeping up dps. The idea is that having to perform extra tasks whilst still maintaining dps means that when you take away that extra task and are required to just do dps it's more simple to you as a player who has now gotten used to doing more than just dps.

[@FlesHBoX]

Tanking and healing ruined dps for me. When I started tanking and healing, dps just became so dull and boring for me.

[@exile1583]

Maybe when blizzard fully tells us what classic WoW is going to be like set in stone, you could do these type of get good videos. I think there aren't many guides on the internet that are well put together.

[@paradowski12]

How are things looking for PreachCon 2018

[@gambell323]

Good shit

[@timbrazeal4]

You should do an episode on m+. Mythic + has made me such a better player

[@XanderCottrell]

never playing DPS again

[@snigeling]

The Heroic raiding guild i am in wipes on kingoroth due to ruiner :D

[@bradvance56]

In before 100!

[@iceee420]

How's that legacy of the death knight coming mate?

[@maggimaster]

I volunteered to tank ToS... still tanking because noone else volunteers or is competent

[@maggimaster]

Michael Simmons no tanking throne now...had a raider ask why I said I have few upgrades from norm when I have sub 920 gear because I won't have the hp to take big hits from bosses.... apparently I need stamina trinkets lol

[@maggimaster]

Michael Simmons I'm still using Darkmoon in the reliquary trinket and a mage was telling me that I needed more stamina because 9 million Health wasn't enough to be able to tank bosses in my only response is "well actually let me educate you first good sir as a monk tank the reliquary gives me almost 4 million and absorb and my other trinket is the Darkmoon deck which is one of the strongest tank trinkets in the game so sit the fuck back and you respect me and I will make sure the boss respects the rune" we are moving to heroic but we keep getting new recruits that need gear and I am not going to take upgrades from them lol.

[@maggimaster]

Michael Simmons yeah we just cleared normal for the second time it was the first time I was there because I deceived on her first clear and I was replaced with our Druid tank back up but that night the same person that was telling me I needed more Health was also telling a Windwalker pug that we got that they were possibly a carry because they had intellect gems and an inch flask and unenchanted items on despite the fact they were decked out in her Rogue tier best in slot legendaries and the pantheon Trinket and the fact that DPS was actually there off-spec in the Romaine spec heels so I honestly think the dude telling people that they're wrong was just on a high horse because he's also a flavor of the month 3 roller

[@maggimaster]

Michael Simmons if you are in US Realms my best suggestion for you would be to check about transferring to area Peak and going for one of the CTR guilds because I do know we have a few Mythic raid teams there and we always have teams looking for a tank

[@meeshellart8877]

Speaking up? That's funny. If I spoke up about strats, healer cooldowns, even innervate it pissed people off. If I decided to stop talking or caring it pissed people off too. Then I quit. Lol

[@dustincieslik5397]

ive been that tank guy in my guild forever but i enjoy it so :P

[@Septembry]

👌crisp

[@Num201]

its m'button and I press it when I want

[@robh316]

Damn don't you just miss the old death and decay it looked so much better

[@Nintendopilot]

Hey nutchin!

[@1fatalshotz]

Preach I love you man, i watch every video! I reply from you would make my day mate...

[@1fatalshotz]

thank you for whoever thumbs up this. It's my dream to have preach acknowledge me.. I hope he cares... :(

[@EricJon]

Make his day!

[@TheNexturn]

Notice this guy Preacher

[@TheTorridestCheese]

He once replied to me, pretty much calling me an idiot. It was a good day.

[@franklintackettjr3592]

Let’s make this happen!

[@richardjones8846]

when to speak up tl;dr - when dumb stuff is going on that you can improve on. :P

[@PurpleDerpy]

EARLY TEAM

[@GrarrPure]

early team maaate

[@Apoxiosis]

ew. wotlk druid was the worst of all the tanks. prot pally was the best

[@1stKimozabi]

mca

[@RenjiAbariZK13]

3rd!