Get Good - Logs

[@stormy3898]

Preach secretly flexing on us with this vid, you ain't sly Mike.

[@tardwrangler]

_secretly_

[@maggimaster]

So on his streams he actually makes fun of the ranking system in Legion because ranking and Legion means fuck all especially on a fire Mage he knows it and it's now basically a meme on his stream and he lets that come through on his videos in truth he does not give a shit about rankings he did back in Wrath and cata when he got his rank one in quetta but now he knows it's a joke you just wants us to know how to use logs

[@phinix473]

isn't he always. :P

[@regimiro4888]

*doesn't want to make a 40 minute video* *makes a 30 minute video*

[@madzzzey]

regimiro sush.... we still want more #preach

[@regimiro4888]

Wiickêd PhD I mean i’m not complaining, just thought it was funny.

[@punker2534]

That replay ability.. mind blowing! Great video mate, it is appreciated for those trying to improve:)

[@FAVS6298]

As a newer raider, I like these types of things as I can see how I progress and what mistakes I made during a fight. Also seeing where I stack up against those in my class and level spurs me on to be a better player as well as a better contributer to my team. Thanks for these guides that help noobs like me understand the importance of things like this!

[@dasbroisku]

Nice video preach. You forgot to mention one thing that logs are also good for. If you’re new to the game or just new to your class you’re playing, checking logs for well performing players helps you understand you’re class better and help you learn.

[@Chalk990]

Been catching shitters out in our guild using logs the past two raid tiers, they really are super useful for officers in raiding guilds, great video preach!

[@ADRIANGONZALEZ-ry5nx]

Thanks Preach after this series especially the Sim one I have seen a dramatic shift in my DPS. With help from my raid leader I simmed myself and found out that I was playing the wrong spec for my gear. (Demo instead of Destro lock) I have never thought it was possible but the next week after this I was pulling almost 800k more DPS and got praised on Guild website Thanks man!!

[@waffleswafflson3076]

"being in a raiding guild is not like a second job I dont know why people think this" "Heres how to use spreadsheets and infographs to get into a raiding guild"

[@MrJayza89]

Waffles Wafflson he's talking about the high end raiding guilds, average guilds won't care for any of this.

[@GoodDaylea]

The video I've been waiting for. Thanks Preach! :D

[@zegetable]

This stuff is super cool! Seeing a series of analyzing you logs as you progress would also be cool

[@rossreilly3038]

Finally! Just playing, awesome content so far, sure this video will be just as good.

[@MrFrenklin5]

Do logs also sees your interrupts if you interrupt right after someone else, making yours go to waste? Story of my life...

[@batlaney6331]

Omg same here DX

[@Dropaprayer]

Yes. Also, set up an interrupt rotation, problem solved.

[@SmugHomura]

Yo Preach, as a raid leader for a guild that's trying to get into Mythic a huge thanks from me! This video taught me some essential basics that I really needed to improve as a leader ^_^

[@tlahuicolebarrraz7772]

gonna bounce on my boys warcraft logs for hours to this.

[@phinix473]

Just so long as you leave them some dignety afterwards. ;P

[@tlahuicolebarrraz7772]

phinix473 I’ll leave my dignity all over your face if your not careful

[@mazztothemax1888]

Didn’t know about the map replay feature. That’s amazing. Thanks dude!

[@eliasrispling2945]

Love this series! Having a great time with simming!

[@stormy3898]

I've got a big fkin cat on my lap and it won't let me move.

[@simpa94]

cool cool

[@phinix473]

Must be you lazy Garfield then. :)

[@pharynx007]

so i knew a long time ago logs had replay, but i thought something blizzard did, permanently broke them. so when i relearned that logs still had that feature a couple months ago, i spent a good while looking at our old logs

[@Ralticus]

Very useful video m8.

[@briancates3576]

I had no idea WCL had a replay feature. Thanks for throwing everything I was planning to do today out the window.

[@thenukex1268]

Regarding the red Feedback debuff on Eonar: is it not possible to momentum cancel the knockup with blink as mage, or does it knock you up the same regardless?

[@drakethedm]

Thank you for this!! i have shared it with my guild and am hoping they use it to find ppl who arnt doing what they need to

[@manfreddy2176]

Thanks for your help Preach!

[@WarrickRanger]

Can't wait until BFA beta opens up and you do your class/role reviews, those were so integral to me in Legion.

[@Iwinfiltrator]

in most cases especially mythic + the 8000 dps killing priority target faster is much more usefull than the 10,000 dps doing dps spread out over alot of trash evenly, dps meters are mostly a bane when used by inexperienced players as it teaches them to go for large amounts of even trash damage instead of learning how to prioritize damage correctly

[@Facarwi]

I've watched all your videos and they are fantastic, sharing with the guild and friends! One question I have is practising, you talk about how training dummies are useless, current content such as heroics are so easy headbutting your keyboard completes them yet some players are too intimidate by mythic or not at the stage that they could get into a decent non trade chat raiding guild. Should a player looking to improve hit up say LFR more using it as a tool to improve with utilising logs etc, even running it more then the weekly requirement. Or is it like you said in tanking you are going to get kicked while leaning and players should just do the higher end content like mythic+ dungeons and learn as they go? Even going as far as to join a trade chat guild using it primarily for a way to regularly practice normal/heroic raiding, not abusing them but using them and jumping as you improve.

[@garypurchase4738]

Another awesome get good video. Where would you start looking for a guild? That's where I'm struggling. Where should I start looking.

[@Zutraxi]

Just letting you know that as a player in power during a raid you can easily save yourself a lot of drama. We had a mage who on aggramar on heroic cried "Guys walk away from me with the debuff" And whenever he did someone died because they didn't have a ice shield. Looking at the logs we saw he blinked into them everytime because he has to move out of circles. For whatever reason he felt it was others fault and he was salty and ruined the mood of the other players because they was not at fault using the logs I just pointed straight at the replay for the 3 attempts and said "look here, here and here, you actually killed them not the otherway around be more aware with your blinks."

[@demarge1065]

is the "Get Good- Buying a new PC" coming soon?

[@RandomFlicks6]

That is SO cool!

[@Gabriel-Ferrari]

Cool tool! But... How I do to make my self appear there? How can I do to watch my own logs? How do I "upload" a log? And when I should do it? After each wipe? After the kill? At the end of the day of raiding? Thanks in advance!

[@divi9912]

Hi preach, is there any way you could consolidate all the get good vids into a single playlist on youtube? That would be a great way to suggest these videos to my guild in one go. Since you started the series with "get good for christmas", then changed to "get good after christmas" and now just "get good", they don't show up as one playlist. Thanks so much for your content. I'm loving it! Regards, Divi.

[@lancegalleher8395]

Thanks will use this to good effect I did not know how to read them at all.

[@speyz]

how do u look at logs as a tank, to improve and stuff?

[@GuyThat64]

What if i have never raided and dont have logs? How do i use it to apply to guilds?

[@barnumcastillo2789]

Awesome tip to check out the top dogs of a class

[@EdyGlockenspiel]

1:03 Yes, a 30min video is much better, I totally agree. Yup.

[@jazzdomi4364]

Great Tool, i test this first in a 5man dungeon and get used to it.

[@Silvertaurus_]

EVERY TIME is see new episode thumbnail I read it first "Get Food for Christmas" -___-

[@reijias]

Well, I am a Hardcore Casual :)

[@phinix473]

Thumbs up, cause i can't give more then one, stupid system and their stupid limitations, but my hat off to you good sir, cause.... That, was amazing. :P

[@trainedtiger]

My LFR logs are all over 50%, so I am better then average. LF Guild.

[@mlaurence08]

Well good video, I play casually but i'll be damned if I'm at the bottom of the list. I've been using logging as a personal tool to reflect on where I can better my game, the RNG of the game really has been obscure to me until recently (last 1-2 years).

[@ecksfactor]

Whats with the camera stand in the background, Mr. EditorGhost?

[@maggimaster]

Also for those of you who are survivors of the move.... the scratch is still there

[@Daemeous]

The use of the replay function there is somewhat unnecessary. Instead you can actually click and drag to select a portion of the timeline to see the damage done to the add in that window of time, so if you wanted to ignore the burst padding at the end then just select the whole bar except that part, done.

[@MrOPD]

Using replays for anything but movement is waste of time in general - but I suppose it's easier to explain things with the replay instead of having people click through 10 menus to get the desired information.

[@Zutraxi]

It is more exciting to watch a replay than to click at multiple points on a graph for the general population that is for sure. One thing I felt he forgot was the compare feature and how to use it.

[@TehFiishy]

I was thrown for a second when I saw Xelion the rogue. My old warlock was named Xelion, which is now XelÎon due to a couple of race changes and realm changes and people already having my original name lol

[@Apoxiosis]

getting started logging was such a pain in my ass. i had to download adobe air, which was the most obscure program ever todownload. I tried to get it from the website but the adobe air page didnt have a download link. it took me like 15 minutes to find a place that had a working adobe air download.

[@nenyia6707]

i really wish i had known how to deal with logs when my guild was raiding, it would of helped me allot, sadly now not raiding anymore, really interesting to watch though :D

[@broski981]

another point of your ranking, the raids damage was 99% overall. most high rankings are a result of the overall raid damage which is, in a sense, out of the way of an individual

[@Zutraxi]

That is true, but simply saying "I ranked 70% on this boss please people help me out here", is not productive and even at 70% there is something going on, ofc. it depends on the fight but if you press the compare button and see that you are at the top of damage for the amount of people/time you used, then yes you can start to look at the overall raid team. Unless you are the raid leader, then by all means analyze the raid.

[@SondreGrneng]

I was looking though some of my own replays. Found out I do some weird shit.

[@itskhro]

I have a theory that the people who go "Vanilla was sooooo much better", are the same people who never got caught DPS whoring and ignoring tacts back then, as there was very few people who had any ability to check this kinda stuff.

[@darthenx2585]

Preach.......

[@FatMan2539]

I can imagine that people will do the same with this video as they did with the simming video and be like "nah m8, this shit is well confusing, don't wanna do that tho m8, going to websites and that". I might chose to start logging my fights - just like after the simming video i started simming myself - but PUG raids where wipes are common (High Command, Kin'garoth, and Coven are the big 3 barriers in OC)... not really the best place to log.

[@Zutraxi]

If you are the raid leader or have the power to get people kicked it is absoloutely valuable, kicking the right players and boosting the morale of the group by telling them you got rid of the "filth" that actually played the fight terribly.

[@Brekner]

Only sad thing is that with so many difficulties and different lockouts and titanforging and AP logs became less and less relevant for the average player from a "DPS comparison" point of view. Remember when you could only only kill a boss once a week in any difficulty? Yeah that meant if you were a heroic raider you'd mostly run against other heroic raiders, especially later down the tier. Now it's sad how mythic raiders and boosters make up the majority of the top on any difficulty. And yeah even comparing to ilvl doesn't help that much :(

[@robertdevor]

Most of the time I just like to see where I rank.

[@Terrados1337]

I got declined for an Argus Heroic Pug since I "only average 85%". I am a-ok at 85% considering the circumstances, i.e. the stuff randoms do: - BL on start - all melee go portal on Hazabel (why do pug leaders always do this?) - having to take over pods on High Command cause people are braindead - taking warlock portals on Immonar transition - ... I mostly use logs to see if I improved and to send the most horrific wipefests to friends for giggles.

[@Kongaii]

Terrados1337 dw you don’t want to be in a raid with people like that anyways lol

[@MrOPD]

Make your own group, ignore mechanics, get dem 95+ parses, should be easy then.

[@Terrados1337]

I hate not playing bosses the way they are supposed to be played. Out-DPS-ing mechanics, relying on healers instead of dodging, that kind of stuff makes me furious. If I wanted to be furious I'd do PvP and enjoyed the melee range desync :D

[@Zutraxi]

Wow -.- Really? 85% is someone I want to spend my time with, checking if it just padding and as soon as I see it is not just padding, I want to invite that person to my mythic raiding team ASAP.

[@Terrados1337]

Knowning every timer from the 100s of wipes + playing a rather forgiving class :) I don't work regular hours so mythic raiding is out of question for me at the moment. But maybe that will change one day. In the meantime I try playing as best as I can and not slacking off.

[@Tsuneo625]

I had no idea you like Saga of Bloodninja. That shit is great!

[@Ecrious]

**(spoilers) Mind blown! I've been using warcraftlogs forever and never knew about replay. Nobody is safe in their lies! Sweet. (spoilers)**

[@maggimaster]

Peips there is a hunter that joins my RAID Team every so often and he likes to brag about how Uber Ali progress tea is since you out gears most of the raid by like 20 item level is any place a hunter DPS is us a lot I'm a tank that doesn't run through the boss and said I swing them around because I don't like getting hit in the back or anything like that well I had him facing away from the group but not opposite and foebreaker came in and immediately killed the Hunter and another person he then proceeded to say that it was and that he died too I gave him showing that he was way out in the middle of nowhere

[@briancates3576]

Seriously! Mind blown. I’ll spend the rest of the afternoon playing with this.

[@Gewsfrahba]

a guy in my guild called me out for taking the most damage from the mines dot on antoran high command as a fury warrior lol

[@silc3ents74r]

"class fantasy mate" is the only appropriate response.

[@Mrree250]

"let's make fury warriors take extra damage on their main proc cuz we don't know how to balance bloodthirst" GG blizzard

[@Mrree250]

Gewsfrahba Make sure to tell your dense guildy about the enrage proc damage taken increase. 10$ he plays a druid.

[@phinix473]

+Mortem Rex i would take that bet, if it wasn't for the fact that this sounds more like an ignorant Affi lock player, all them self healz yo. :P

[@Mrree250]

phinix473 I was thinking either a lock druid or hunter. Has to be one of those.

[@rafardzrba]

My logs are super healthy, they are grass fed.

[@RocketK1dd]

I couldn't pay attention after I saw the shadow of a hand on the left side...

[@RocketK1dd]

Oh god it's in all of them

[@TimothyWitt]

I'm the rank 1 arcane mage for Argus LFR...*waves tiny flag*...

[@ChEILoZ]

This combined with simming is why I dont enjoy "high end" raiding anymore. I've done perfectly fine with 2 Addons (bartender and recount) as a tank in Mythics for years now. I know what I've done wrong and what I've done right. This to me just feels like the biggest crutch I've ever seen

[@rodoxx1888]

nice video preach. and btw, can u link me your resto shaman mage tower challege kill vid plz, im having a rly hard time with that fuking challenge......

[@Auberry126]

RodoxX if you just google preach TDP shaman, or preqch shaman mage tower. Itll likely come up that way.

[@ryanharris7891]

Love how mikes is showing off that rank 1 like a baller

[@talshahar25]

I may be a noob for saying this but Mike you didn't show how to get the log...and post it.

[@tbrowning84]

NEW HAT, TOO MUCH CHANGE!!

[@maggimaster]

Hey Mike great video but I don't think I have the confidence to look at logs

[@VoloVita]

#preach Hey, it might be really entertaining for you to do a LFR run then break down the log of that run for us in a video =D

[@aaronobrien2353]

VoloVita oh i love this idea could be a damn long video tho.. would pay to c it tho lol

[@Zutraxi]

LFR is boring though, not a lot happens and he would basically be calling people shit the entire time for not interrupting the adds on Hassabel on the platforms because so few went up to kill them :P Link me a mythic or heroic log where people don't care if they are looked at and I would do a write up of it. Or maybe a video.

[@cEighteen]

how & why did that Holy pally deal a million dps on varimathras o.o

[@Zutraxi]

Go check the logs ;)

[@cEighteen]

that still doesn't explain WHY? Like I get you can do 1m dps, but... why not just play ret?

[@cEighteen]

Valehntyn thats not what he was doing at all. The pally had over 1m dps, thats not because he was dpsing in downtime, thats because he was practically ONLY dpsing, he only had around 300k hps when the other healers had miles above a million

[@megarural3000]

Niec VolkSWAGGEN shirt

[@matthewbowden4576]

Also to add to this preacherx i know your a good and great player 30 man teams also have more of a chance for trinkets procs and so on making it better for healer and dps eg trinket procs patheons:) keep up the good work.

[@XanderCottrell]

how long have the TV's been different heights?

[@WalfTheWolf]

lol ironic I see my guildi being rank 1 on Garothi mythic in this vid.

[@bgtv5909]

Anybody know any US youtubers/streamers that do raid runs with viewers? I haven't been in my guilds raid team since EM cause I got busy. I want to raid but I don't want to be committed to doing it every week.

[@roblogan6300]

That cord behind your head when you move.. please please please fix that.lol oh and love your videos!

[@currykill]

Fire ST r1 norm :o

[@Skravla]

I once played WoW for fun

[@zee8773]

People find different things fun, I find being competitive & good at game fun & think being casual/average is boring

[@tardwrangler]

I feel ya bro

[@Zutraxi]

Looking at logs and analyzing them is BETTER/more fun than playing pugs.

[@georgioskoundouros8972]

Good for you?

[@Zutraxi]

Good for all of us don't know why he is not trying to have fun anymore. Seems stupid right

[@phinix473]

i got curious if there was a log with my warlock character and contrary to what you said in this vid, there is actually no fights with my warlock in it has been logged, kinda funny really, not saying you are a liar, just commenting that i guess my lock is an exeption to that rule it would seems. :P

[@soshspotgames4380]

your character will not show up on logs unless you specifically log it during the fight, or the group your running with does it during the fight. To ensure a log you started is working properly, after you've started a new combat log, run a quick lfr, then check after to see if you can find your characters log. All characters in the game don't just automatically get logged.

[@Zutraxi]

Thinking the person here didn't log themselves. Also people might be logging it to private or unlisted at which point public searches won't be able to reach it. However you should still be able to see some sort of ranking on the class page after a click to the update button but no logs will be linked.

[@phinix473]

+Hannah Eli Edgin +Zutraxi i know what logs are, have made many of them myself in the past, both on warcraftlogs and worldoflogs and i know that some might be either unlisted or privated, just reacted to the novelty of one of my characters not actually being in any public logs, though now that i think about it, it might just be because neither site applies logs under the old name to the new one after you change character name and race/faction changes, or a combo of the aforementioned reasons, who knows.

[@SadBirbHours]

I think you lost them again Mike.

[@joebumbler9430]

This didn't tell me a F**king thing on how to read logs.

[@DecayedPony]

I pvp tho mate. I don't need no logs mate. Do you even kfc mate? (I typed that with Preaches "hardcore pvp modes" voice in my head) xD

[@dankmemes385]

SOCIAL Guild SOCIAL raid

[@nojabhere]

RNJebus always hated me even tho I was a little better than most even in a guild. I love the fact that you are open and honest no B.S 😆 Also I blame the Hunter *adds*

[@harrisonpayne1179]

Preach flaming his guild and is trying to disguise it as a logs video, toxic confirmed Kappa

[@subbyraccoon]

When did WoW turn into Excel porn?

[@ADeadlierSnake]

In vanilla

[@jocloud31]

All RPGs are just Excel with optional pretty graphics

[@FalloutFM]

Doesn't disable ads :'(

[@Briansgate]

sup

[@tardwrangler]

Do you guys remember vanilla?

[@emetsalt2678]

lol vanilla

[@enemy3508]

Snake_XIX you know people now do this stuff in vanilla servers now too?

[@phinix473]

+Lolily Con wait really? why? i cannot imagen. :) #sorrynotsorryforbeingsarcastic.

[@phinix473]

+Elron hence the hashtag, seems that people can't not complain about something when we have excess on hand, guess that is why the world has so many Paul's, not that i can't say i'm not perifrially not the same, but i try not to be like that if i can. :)

[@tardwrangler]

Difference between vanilla and "vanilla servers"

[@quantumleaper941]

git gud

[@sunnycyberbum]

My advice to get into mythic guild be top dps or you will be kicked faster then you can look, I was missing gear at the start of antorus and searched for a new guild ( I had pieces from ToS some Mythic some heroic tf) I got invited in to about 10 guilds an no guild kept me the reasoning behind that "my lack of damage" in a raid tier full of people with bis stuff and bs, I said its the gear (Trinkets, Tier bonusus I had logs around 50 % (blue ones) so they just tell you that you are shit, now its 2 weeks later and I have got better gear and guess who got high purp logs and gold ones ? Looking for a mythic guild has gotten pathetic tbh. Im not hating on the game, I just dislike the "oh lets get a trail for an extra loot chance which can be redestributed to someone else so we can kick that person after hc/myth farm " mindset TL;DR : Heroic: Do deeps shit on mechanics for logs. Do mechanics in the mythic raids ( but be dps greedy aswell ) Everything thanks to logs, rng, tf, ml, lc

[@JessicaHernandez-ob2yp]

can u please stop smacking your lips please? thanks

[@MagicMarty90]

Getting good at WoW takes too much work, too many addons, too much analyses. I'm gonna stick with being shit at WoW and just get good at games that don't require all that garbage.

[@SFR_GamingYT]

Marty Blois That's why I had to stop playing man.. it feels like a fucking full time job doing all that bullshit to be "gud" at the game.

[@Woosle]

I play 3 days a week for like 4 hours each day and I do this easily.

[@Yaeshi]

you dont need to do any of this shit to eb actually good at game ...

[@momierxorz]

you are wrong actually. If you look at the highest competitive end of any game, youl find similar "garbage" to this.

[@potentiallyRealWarrenGraham]

Preach repeats multiple times that this isnt supposed to only be for the "highest competitive end" of the game, but for people who generally want to be good. Look, if I want to be good at Dark Souls, I copy the meta build of the month from reddit and then learn how to play the game by playing the game. Not uploading text files to random websites and simulating my damage on another random website for multiple thousands of times. Getting good at wow has gotten way out of hand. We have too much information, so much information in fact that the devs have to actively implement unfun instant kills all over the place because conventionally difficult mechanics are no longer challenging enough. Mythic ToS being a giant clusterfuck of "why am i even playing this" followed by a "this is actually fun" Antorrus where people complained that it's "too easy" is testament enough. Ban logs. Ban sims. Ban advantage giving addons. Then we have an actual game on our hands again.

[@tylerwake5574]

First

[@robh316]

Step to far this is just way over the top for a GAME really geeky, iam out

[@Zutraxi]

Depends on what you want to achieve inside the game. :P

[@robh316]

Zutraxi already happy I do heroic raiding enough for me and our guild no interest in mythic at all no need for us to go in depth in to logs so this part iam gonna ignore

[@Zutraxi]

Which is perfectly valid :D, not saying that it is, my point was just that top end mythic might be where you would start to ACTUALLY need it(if you didn't find it "fun" like I do)

[@robh316]

Zutraxi yeah some enjoy it alot do but for me once you start doing all this it's no longer fun it's like a job studying charts seeing who's doing what on a particular part of a given fight .each to there own 😁

[@lafysa8654]

cool, if you want to do casual raiding then fine, but you'll be much better if you utilise your tools around you.