Get Hornless Wyll even after recruiting Karlach (New method) // Baldur's Gate 3

[@MyChannel-r1v]

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[@Kylekashi]

Forget about the horns The truly amazing thing about this is that you get to finally kill Mizora 😂

[@ShadowStarkiller]

I actually saved in my Origin Wyll run just to kill her in the tank. I knew I'd get a game over, but hearing her squirm for once was worth it

[@REIL2LYFE]

Raph also spawns in the underdark selune temple outpost . It threw me off the first time I encountered it because i was trying to avoid his ass lol

[@DoffyDogg]

if you avoid him whole act 1, he'll be at your camp anyway :( the dudes a stalker

[@santosic]

Yep i found this out myself due to the same exact reason lmao. I only stumbled upon him because I wanted to unlock the waypoint for later, and seeing there was an unexpected surprise. Luckily I'd saved before and had Additional Enemies mod, which adds enemies in that area, preventing him from spawning. I just killed the enemies away from his spawn point and avoided him successfully 😁

[@magister343]

In my first playthrough he spawned in the middle of my battle with goblins in their camp, after I made the whole camp hostile by bringing Halsin out with me. I had chased a goblin warlock up into the rafters and shoved him down to his death right before Raphael interrupted the battle with his appearance. I assumed Raphael was that particular warlock's patron.

[@alexwang3282]

he'll approach you in a quite corner once you "complete" any quests under Find a Cure category.

[@KollbjornYT]

Same! I fucking jumped when his ass popped up LOL

[@atsukana1704]

Wyll: Shoot I broke a contract Tav: nothing a little gunpowder won’t fix

[@apolsk377]

There is easier way without killing Mizora. You just recruit Karlach right before going to Mountain Pass while killing Will and letting Withers keep him. Go straight to act 2 and then come back to finish mountain pass. Act 3 Mizora and Will quests works as usual.

[@Anastassoulis]

You just skip the punishment scene then? And keep the pod scene in the Moonrise Towers and all scenes in A3?

[@PunishedRouxpacDiamond]

Bro just slept on Infernal Rapier for that, not worth it​@@Anastassoulis

[@apolsk377]

@@PunishedRouxpacDiamond how so, all worked as usual

[@arashimifune2853]

I used your workaround to have the robe and Karlach. But... At the party with tieflings though, Wyll was sad he killed Karlach and Karlach was acting like in the "Wyll is so cool, he beleived me and told Mizora to GTFO". Then I moved to a different playthrough and returned to this one after several updates. Wyll had horns and the game proceeded as usual after siding with Karlach. It's easier to simply use Minthara's (or maybe any?) lute to call the drider, kill him and the cultists and free the pixie. She may be a little nasty, bo her blessing is way more useful than a lantern.

[@Alahyana]

Also, while Wyll looks human everyone act like he looks like a devil when we used the old method!!! It was funny people were surprised and asking him what happened to him whne he still looks human.

[@magister343]

@@Alahyana Maybe they just find his sending stone false eye to be really off putting?

[@Poglavnit_Pferdefuhrer]

I like to imagine he just accidentally wound up in the Mississippi delta and they are just really racist Wyll: *What do you mean what happened to me?* _I'm just black!!!_ 😆

[@atsukana1704]

When I first heard the pixie I was so confused why my tav kept saying something in a different voice. After a maddening hour wandering around looking for the source of the sound I realized it was in my pocket.

[@drezzydray1636]

Simpler method, kill wyll (not with tav) before long resting, revive with withers. Steal back your gold. Once mizora is captured at moonrise you no longer have to do this and wyll has no horns.

[@jackbrusselers2114]

It can be way easier just kill wyll after having recruited karlach then revive him in act 2

[@quasarsword7479]

Is steal back your gold part of it, or just automatic reaction?

[@Brutian96]

@@quasarsword7479 the interest rate at withers bank is terrible so it is better to steal it.

[@Mix-pk6ck]

​@@quasarsword7479 part of the automatic reaction

[@quasarsword7479]

@@Mix-pk6ck it is for me as well now 👌

[@MoonsongReverb]

The problem is, if you used that trick to keep Wyll without Horns, think of act 3. In the end he will not step up for Karlach in the end and Karlach will either have to die or become a Mindflayer. I tested it like 3 months ago myself. It doesn't matter if you recruit Wyll after Karlach or before. We key is, that he remains human and then has no reason to become the Blade of Avernus. He will remain the Blade of Frontiers in act 3. That is what happened to me at least. So...I rather recommend using a mod than messing up your game like this. Check out the Wyll's Mirror, which only makes him look still human even while being a devil. Or if you like the horns, Wyll's devil Form Mod (makes him more look like a tiefling) may be the right thing for you for example. ;)

[@LucidStrike]

Mindflayer Karlach at least gets to live freely.

[@MoonsongReverb]

@@LucidStrike But i feel, she is not Karlach anymore, the way she acts. One can see she lost her soul

[@buildawall5803]

What if I go to jell with karlach can she live?

[@MoonsongReverb]

@@buildawall5803 Yes, she will survive and keeps her soul. She can even come to the epilogue party with you

[@nesyk1598]

@@LucidStrike karlach straight up dies and you only have a tadpole cosplaying as her because it knows only what she knew because it ate her brain

[@stalwart56k]

You may be able to enter turn based combat and kill Mizora before she can heal herself, especially if you have the no party limit mod. That's how I killed the dryder without initiating a battle.

[@magister343]

Mizora does not "heal herself" like other characters may. She has the Zariel's Protection condition, which makes her disappear to the hells as soon as anyone attacks her and then return after one minute at full HP. Turn based mode does not help. Larger party sizes don't help. You'd have to deal more than enough damage to kill her in one stroke to have any hope.

[@bajablastman68501]

@@magister343 did u not watch the video my nigga? She was literally healing herself

[@darcraven01]

if you're going to use mods, just use a mod to remove wyll's horns (and get the robe).. much easier than maybe fucking up the questline

[@LucidStrike]

I killed the Dryder without initiating a battle by convincing him to give me his labtern snd walk into the Shadow. Pays to be a silver-tongued assassin. 🤷🏿‍♂️

[@magister343]

@@LucidStrike I did that on my first playthrough, but have not been able to convince him since despite using much higher charisma characters. My first guess was that it must be impossible on Tactician difficulty, but switching the difficulty just before that encounter did not change it either. Maybe they changed something in the last major patch.

[@thehippie3610]

Bro forget saving will. You found a way to truly Kill Mizora. That's awesome

[@maximiliendesallangre6395]

Also works if you recruit Karlach and immediatemy kill wyll at camp. You give his body to Wither and progress through the story. Mizora won't trigger you don't need to kill her. Downside is you either recruit Karlach by the end of act 1 ou go through all act 1 with a dead Wyll if you rather play with Karlach. Bonus side is that their storyline is left untouched. I'm not sure but i think you get hornless Wyll's storyline by doing that

[@arcmar8327]

Raphael can also spawn in the Selunite fort in the underdark, near the crystal beam that kills a minotaur.

[@bat32391]

Ugly? Those horns are fucking baller.

[@GayLPer]

I think to each their own. I also like the horns, but some people don't. I think that when Larian decides to patch *this* out, they should also include a unique glamour ability for Wyll that makes him appear like he doesn't have horns, but maybe include some flavor text that says it can only hide their existence from others - for Wyll, they are still very much real and still very heavy.

[@Dodgemod]

They are ugly. Consider this. If you grew horns and everyone around you either knows or has an idea that you are.. In fact. A devil and possibly targeted for death.

[@ME-er1fs]

I think there is a cutscenes where the guard stop you because she saw wyll horn and think his a devil or he was

[@stevefilms1997]

They’re like massive breasts you know, nice in theory but absolutely wreak havoc on the spine.

[@barbarossarotbart]

I believe there is another way. Simply do not rest after recruiting Karlach until reaching the Shadowlands. Maybe you have to leave out the Rosynorm Monastery, because using the Mountain Pass forces you to rest, but you can still party after killing the three leaders of the goblins.

[@prof.dexample6238]

Rapheal also spawns in the underdark, that's the first place I seen him.

[@sterenn726]

Or in the goblin camp. I saw him first in the cellar of the selunite temple 😂

[@cocobear285]

You actually don't need to hack the Kar'niss fight skip. If you go with the harpers, they will wait for your signal to attack. Just don't signal to attack and follow your original steps.

[@randompianist7718]

By the way you can take the lantern talk to the pixie and then free her and she will bless you The darkness won't bother the party And if you just want to go into in to the regular darkness you can just get the ring of light equipment on one person cast the spell remove it and give it to someone else and let them cast it it will keep resetting and as long as you have a weapon equipped you will have light until a long rest, I did this on console.

[@lotos53]

I just kill Wyll in the camp to prevent mizoram cutscene. She was waiting for me to resurrecting him in the camp and I did that in act 2. She just ask me to retrieve her 'asset' (no spoilers for you) and that's it

[@Az-co4pq]

I killed Wyllmin act1 and picked his body up and recruited Karlach. I’m now in act2 and haven’t seen Mizora. My plan is to make it to act 3, revive Wyll and if I’m lucky, no Mizora, and I can finish RescueDuke Ravengard.

[@elenalizabeth]

I thought you have to revive the companions on the same day they die? Is this only if you’ve asked Withers to hold onto their soul?

[@awanderer3047]

​@@elenalizabethwithers holds onto their souls if they die and aren't revived (or can't be recovered)

[@elenalizabeth]

@@awanderer3047 I have recently discovered this, and now Withers is holding onto Gales soul for a while as he was annoying me 😂

[@dreemurrinthenight]

@@elenalizabethsurprised he hasn’t gone boom yet

[@elenalizabeth]

@@dreemurrinthenight I think because his soul is currently in Withers magical soul storage, and his body is currently in a chasm in the Underdark 😂 so he can’t really go boom if he doesn’t really “exist” 🤔 I did bring him back after 2 (in game) days, which got approval from everyone, so maybe he was only annoying to me 😂🤷‍♀️

[@l3ila219]

Raphael can also spawn in the Selune outpost in the underdark, he showed up for me there in my Astarion origin run

[@SakazakiRyo]

Nice loophole, thanks for working on this but if this doesn't change anything in the story then I'd rather just use a mod to hide his horns.

[@riverpubby]

good for people who are on console tho

[@EdrickBluebeard]

Raphael can also spawn in the Selunite temple in the Underdark.

[@Lvl1Critters]

i feel so bad for karniss, my spider boi deserves so much better than he got

[@timothyrogers99]

I did this method but had to do quite a few do overs because it kept spawning combat between camp members and they ended up slaughtering Scratch. Poor thing can't get revived but you can try to knock him out before he gets whacked and you can hopefully finish combat before anyone tries to do the final blow.

[@MisterJaeger]

Calm Emotions seems to work, i casted it on him and then attacked him with non lethal, it ended the encounter immediately, not sure why

[@brandonphilander661]

Can you kill Wyll if he is your Origin character and then have Withers resurrect him?

[@nkzinho]

What about ACT3 Wyll's questline? RIP Duke Ravengard?

[@EyesOfGehenna]

What about it? You can still save his father from the Iron Throne.

[@davidwagner3710]

If you go there before doing mizoras deal (accepted or rejected), he will be dead in his cell. He is also dead there if Wyll is not in the party.

[@JamesBailey-po7iu]

Her ashes teleport to the spot on the bridge where she would normally give Wyll's mission, but they aren't very communicative. Wyll can't save his father if you do this: the duke will show up dead in his cell (Wyll has lines expressing confusion as to why they would bother to put his dead body in a jail cell). You also can't get Wyll's rapier: Mizora's pod will just be broken and empty. Wyll still acts as though he's been given the mission to rescue Mizora in Act 2, even though she's dead.

[@zeroenna8554]

​@@davidwagner3710not entirely true. I always leave will behind when doing the underwater prison because he is annoying and the quest has always completed properly. Duke Ravenguard back in power and Will will be freed from his contract.

[@davidwagner3710]

@zeroenna8554 I meant not a companion. Ala, you raided the Grove and he left

[@JamesBailey-po7iu]

Worth noting that if you do this, the only opportunity for Duke Ravengard's longsword is in the throne room. You _can_ get it from him without setting Gortash off, but it's tricky (fog / invisibility / command: drop, and a good bit of luck)

[@alatres6294]

you can just command drop him in camp

[@JamesBailey-po7iu]

Without Mizora's offer to Wyll - accepted or denied -, the Duke is always dead in prison, no sword on his corpse.

[@ChaosDY]

Ive had Raphael spawn in the Selunite outpost before as well (i was trying to avoid him to see if he would spawn in camp)

[@benhur933]

If you investigate kagha and finish that quest first should prevent the grove being sealed.

[@guitarmama06]

I went through most of Act 1, topside (without killing anyone in goblin camp, or investigating Kagha) without the Grove being cut off before my first playthrough got corrupted and I had to start a new character. I had thought the goblin camp would be super hard with all those goblins, so I procrastinated. By the time I killed the goblin leaders and freed Halsin, my party was overpowered. I had heard about the Tiefling party, and I honestly thought that it was supposed to be towards the end of Act 1.

[@benhur933]

@@guitarmama06 I remember something about too many rests trigger it, but haven't tested it myself

[@alexdacostadesouza4007]

I played a long time ago, but I remember Raphael spawned to me I'm the underground, after kill a mother spider boss, inside one temple that big statues shot laser in the entrance. So it is a 5th place for its spawn

[@Karim896]

HORNLESS WYLL WITH KARLACH WITHOUT KILLING MIZORA You can get hornless wyll by don't let him sleep a night alive during the act 1. He will be magically allive while you cross from act 1 to act 2 mizora will be at you camp but you can still kill wyll before going to bed and aftee that you can just play normally in act 2 and the next thing about mizora will be the quest that she gives you. This cut some of the endings options at least one and to me seems like if the character is missing something maybe because he either have the lines about his punishment or about killing karlach. You can still doing everything normally my only bug if it's a bug at all maybe is me just misshearing but my durge character commonly will say something like "I have many things on my mind including wyll in it" or maybe is will idk. If is your first run I will recommend to keep the horns, to fits better with is character development and in my opinion can improved a lot the ending 😅

[@calamitara]

The line you are looking for is: "I have a lot on my mind... and, well, in it" referencing the tadpole. It is a line for both durge and tav.

[@Crimsenreign13]

​@@calamitaraand Wyll in it is wild 😂

[@damrod]

So, while it is still possible to get a hornless wyll and karlach, it is not possible anymore to get hornless wyll, karlach and that sweet red robe?

[@ellyann4603]

Wyll horns looks really cool, plus we see in act 2 than killing Mizora while wyll is still under a contract with her kills Wyll. So it kinda break immersion. But Gg for your finding, as the gnomes would say « gunpowder solves everything »

[@dariaofitserova291]

Raphael also appears in the Selunite outpost

[@EyesOfGehenna]

I've done a fair few playthroughs but I never saw Mizora at the front gate of Moonrise Towers. Why would she appear there I wonder.

[@Haassaanko]

To give you the quest to save Zariel's asset. But that only happens if you get to moonrise without long-resting in act 2.

[@tharmas13]

Was trying this, but due to reasons abandoned it, but had already done the "kill Wyll in camp" bit. Since I don't find Wyll that interesting, and still undecided to still maybe go through with this option, I left Wyll dead in camp all the way to act 2. Then in act 2 I suddenly notice him alive again in camp, without ever getting the Mizora interaction, game basically skipped it due to Wyll being dead I guess. Didn't need to kill Mizora and did get all the other Mizora interactions afterwards. And Wyll never got his horns.

[@anivan7391]

Ты можешь попасть на склад со взрывчаткой не тратя ячейку заклинаний. Надо пройти чуть правее и перепрыгнуть через обрыв в комнату жрицы (8 силы достаточно)

[@kyleh6671]

So what’s the contractual language around transfer of ownership…is Wyll in her last will and testament? Do all of her souls get transferred to another demon? Wouldn’t a demon have a protection scheme to ensure if harm comes to them all of their owned souls are forfeit? I guess the arrogance of these demons leads them to believe that wouldn’t be necessary…but after the trail of havoc I wreaked through these demons, seems prudent.

[@purpleghost106]

Oh, interesting! I wonder if this can work if you're playing as Karlach main, or if you have to be someone not involved in the mess to not trigger cut scenes.

[@junkpunchhero]

Recruit Wyll, kill him, ask withers to look after him...recruit karlach.. play game as normal... eventually a frozen mizoram and wyll will appear in camp... ignore till act two when mizora tells about devil needs help.... Wyll is still normal in act3.. just went out on date with karlach... I do miss out on robe and other equip rewards

[@seth0418]

PSA: DO NOT KILL MIZORA! Her cut scene where she transforms Wyll won’t trigger if you simply kill him before going to the monastery, but make sure you clear up all of act one first. You can either wait to pick up karlach until you’re headed there, or count your long rest. There are two things that will take priority over Mizora: trifling party after saving the grove, and your first visit from your guardian (second visit does not take priority so if you want that cutscene you need to recruit karlach after it.) when will revives after Mizora shows up in your camp, there is a chance his camp clothes and armor will be swapped, but you can easily fix this. You can adjust this as a visual setting on their character sheet. Keeping Mizora alive allows everything else in the game to function properly. Bonus tip; if you teleport back to the main area of act one after clearing the crèche (you have to specifically be inside the crèche for this to work every time) you can teleport back to the grymforge and go up the lift to avoid long resting and keep the morning glory and bless buffs from the dawn crest and your guardian.

[@Blasckk]

It is not necessary to kill Mizora, just make sure Wyll is dead before each Long Rest until Act II is reached.

[@Kitserina]

Very cool video! Too bad you miss on the rapier at the end of act 2, but I never use it anyway

[@dracotheshadowphoenix]

so basicly: barrelmancy...everything can be solved with a bit of BOOM

[@CMCAdvanced]

"Guys, did he just butcher Wyll? Why are we following him again?"

[@notusingmyname4791]

because it's all good so long as he doesn't butcher Scratch

[@servine1212]

I read "Homeless Wyll" and was confused.

[@alyonamironova7290]

Indeed, he is x)

[@GayLPer]

@@alyonamironova7290 Adventurers are at home on the road, they would say.

[@Anastassoulis]

Nice! Good find, as always!

[@lolthisisatroll]

Ever got a problem in BG3? The answer is always barrelmancy

[@vegassims7]

I am doing a playthrough NOW and discovered you can get without horns for also killing Karlach with Wyll in the group. I don't know for sure if that is how it was before, cause I was justing testing this for fun, but I am on Act 3 now and he still has no horns.

[@BlakeCerisano]

Raphael also spawns in the Selunite Underdark entrance

[@Spartacus19]

Thanks finally without horns

[@jackbrusselers2114]

The best way is to kill wyll after recruiting karlach and then once your either in the underdark or mountainpass revive him

[@robertstone9342]

I don't know if you did this deliberately but at this speed when they talk I swear they sound like south park lol

[@stalwart56k]

They speed up the dialogue of the kid characters in South Park I'm pretty sure

[@robertstone9342]

@@stalwart56k I don't know if my ears are just old or what. But I swear he hit the exact speed for their voices lol

[@purpleghost106]

@@robertstone9342 Our brain likes to find patterns and has a bias for familiar things, this is similar (not exact) to why we see faces or shapes in static or shadows. (Most people see human shapes in shadows, my brain auto-completes cats that aren't real lol) Totally normal, and probably just means you at one point were very familiar with SP, but having watched a bit of SP without being an actual fan (my brother liked it) I'd say it's just coincidence and brain-autocomplete. Still, if you get a kick out of it, then have at 'er hoss. Picture the whole game in SP universe that's kinda fun, haha ;)

[@DanielEleveld]

I had Raphael trigger in the underdark in my last playthrough! That happen to anyone else?

[@daniellesantana3790]

I tried this, but Scratch turns hostile when I kill her and Wyll kills him... wtf!

[@nofuntop6191]

i wonder if you get a free pass to the city if wyll have no horns, becaue they dont recognize hi beacause of the horns originally and dont let you enter in act 3

[@nightwalker83]

What are the dialogue option I need to select? I could not tell from the video.

[@BlueEyedAmerican]

You can use command drop to get the lantern

[@ventusevans]

well for some reason, everything was going fine, until i reached act 2, then i keep getting the conversation about having to rescue the asset in moonrise and when i tried to load a safe i had whit this wyll he now suddenly transforms in to demon wyll all the time so aparently i cant use the safe/load stuff many times because eventually the game corrects itself

[@acavaglia]

just curious but if you use this method, what will happen in act 3?

[@Piqipeg]

Raphael has spawned for me just outside the grove (on the path to Alfira so technically in the grove?).

[@nordicpush1452]

I got hornless Wyll with my 1st try. I played with friend coop and i got Karlah in control, while he gets Wyll. Cutscene when he is transform into demon didnt triger cos game didnt see them both in same party...

[@PatatyaPatyan]

I personally got him in underdark (in side selune temple) 1:17

[@Smucklz]

so does the game still treat wyll as if he has horns tho, like for example when you get to baldurs gate, do people recognize him as duke ravenguards son, or do the npcs still call him a demon?

[@xMaugrex]

So no cool rapier from Mizora in act 2, I guess. Do we know what happens with (Act 3 spoilers) Wyll's father in act 3 though? We know that if you visit the prison before Mizora's offer, we find him dead and she offers instead to revive him. Is he just dead in this scenario with no way to get him back?

[@TheLeviathan1293]

Any implications for act 3? I remember I killed Mizora once in act 3 by the 0 int trick and Wyll became permanently hostile.

[@tofu6465]

I once had Rahfel spawn to me right in the middle of the Grove.

[@magister343]

I once had Raphael spawn right in the middle of combat with the Goblins in their camp. This was my first playthrough. My Tav was in Priestess Gut's chambers while the rest of my party had just left the warg pit with Halsin, making the whole camp hostile. They chased a couple goblins up into the rafters. My Spore Druid Shadowheart was standing on one rafter and used Thorn whip to pull the Warlock from another rafter towards her to make him fall to his death. Raphael interrupted the battle as soon as that warlock died. I assumed Raphael was his patron, and that seeing us kill him made him think we'd make good replacements.

[@Ricard1807o]

@@magister343 the rafters is one place he can spawn for sure, I had it happen out of combat in the corner with the breakable wall that is an alternative entrance

[@SRWill64]

Hornless Wyll and no Mizora to give him his powers. How does that affect that and that nullifies the pact? How does that affect that? Anybody think about those things? How does that affect the endgame?

[@vovasyhin7219]

Naw the previous exploit was worth it because you got both things with no downsides, with this method not only will wylls quest fail to complete you will also miss out on all his quests and quest rewards. In my opinion its not worth doing.

[@SethKamins]

So you cant get the robe and karlach anymore, correct?

[@xmoore5659]

Afraid so.

[@pianistshowtoplaycompimpro8093]

Sorry, it doesnt work - i tried it with four and six gun powder barrels around her, and she just healed herself - i guess Larion saw your video and fixed as of now aug 22 2024! LOL! Ill have to live another play through with Mizora, but its fun, shes fun and unpredictable!!!

[@iantaylor9664]

Oh, so Mizora doesn't have to stay exclusively on my post-canon hit list (this list includes Zariel, the Dead 3, Shar, Vlaakith and Mystra)

[@ДмитрийБотух]

It's basically impossible to kill a greater deity like Shar or Mystra unless you're a god yourself. Otherwise Shar would be already dead roughly eleventy bajillion times over.

[@michaelwilson6237]

Is it possible to save Arabella's parents?

[@notusingmyname4791]

I think only if you cause arabella's death, they just aren't in the medical beds in act 2.

[@bosguel]

Implaying Dark Urge, is there any way to ..... 1.save the tieflings (Daemon ) , 2. Recruit Minthara, 3. Raid the Grove?

[@Crimsenreign13]

This is my default play through. You are not obligated to be evil when playing dark urge. You play it normally and resist the evil. However if you want to save alfira the tiefling bard you have to save before every long rest, and on the one where she comes to join your camp load the save back, knock her out, go back to camp and long rest. You will kill some other innocent person other than her unfortunately but she will be alive and it's a better alternative than killing her

[@Crimsenreign13]

Oh I thought you said not raid the Grove. You cannot save dammon and also raid the Grove to my knowledge. The only way this might happen is if you knock him out before the fight or during so no one kills him. Then maybe

[@Crimsenreign13]

You can also recruit minthara without raiding the Grove you just have to knock her out... if for some reason you weren't aware

[@wilsonjhenry]

In this method, Was she in the Mindflayer incubation pod in the Illithid colony after the First Kethereic Fight?

[@notusingmyname4791]

that would be how you really tell.

[@HiddenAdept]

Man that's ingenious. I just use mods and cheat engine to get what I want with this game, more simple lol

[@lucythicax]

Or just command drop.. and you can just grab the moon lantern...

[@songofyesterday]

Hm. In Act III if I hit her she disperses. Comes back later. But Act I she actually can die? Interesting…when in doubt, firewine and smoke powder barrels 😂

[@hawkeyestegosaurus5680]

Wow, that's quite a few steps. I'm going to have to watch this later

[@JavierZamora87]

It doen't work, at least with no mods

[@giantmonkee1199]

Kinda feel bad for Karliss in this game.

[@shadowldrago]

I love how people have, at several points, found loopholes in Mizora's bullshit.

[@TheMuscle97]

i wanna comment that Raphael spawns in the underdark too

[@Witchy27]

This is a great way of getting rid pf her as i hated her personally but i wouldnt recommended it as the tiffling leave after you go into act 2 and then you get no party celebrations so i wouldnt recommended it if you need to talk to the tifflings at all after saving halsin

[@NicolaeMunteanu407]

what about act 3?

[@guitarmama06]

This looks like a ton of work 😳 not sure if hornless Wyll is worth it...

[@chapilim]

my Hero ^^

[@colourbloo]

why would you kill the best girl in the game ;_;

[@MrGoomakoo]

Honestly, if i have to go through all this just to get hornless Wyll, then sorry Karlach. Looks like Tavs gonna be the only tiefling in the camp 🤷🏻

[@arekpetrosian4965]

What the hell...? I'd MUCH rather have Karlach in my camp than Will. Dude's annoying AF.

[@alyonamironova7290]

@@arekpetrosian4965 true, and useless also x) No help during playthrough and one of the hardest quest with his father and contract. Also loves getting damage from anything, bruh.

[@arekpetrosian4965]

@@alyonamironova7290 Glad I'm not the only who sees how useless and annoying he is. LOL

[@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist]

@@arekpetrosian4965 He mainly just annoyed me with his comments about being a devil. I play mostly Tiefling… and I’m like… wow… okay Wyll… XD He low key a bit racist to Teiflings. Haha. I just keep him at camp basically, I might bring him for his story stuff but otherwise I keep him at camp.

[@arekpetrosian4965]

@@XFizzlepop-Berrytwist I've done playthroughs where I play Warlock, which means I don't need him, and other times I just find him too self-righteous and self-pitying. Like...dude...YOU made a deal with an actual demon. What did you think was going to happen? And yeah...he's more than a touch racist. One time, he died during a fight, and I was like..."Yeah, not worth the scroll to rez him", and left him dead. LOL

[@Sansanvi_Inanis]

she doesnt spawn at the entrance of moonrise, she is down below trapped. also, she shows up randomly in camp, not at moonrise towers. i am taking this entire "guide" with the biggest grain of salt

[@Control_Devil]

Raphael also spawns in the selunite outpost in the underdark

[@dawarror]

Is there any drawbacks to this? like him losing his father cuz she knows where and how to get him out...i feel like this will permanantly bug out his questline unless she reappears in act 2

[@ezpzjayzaar]

I'd rather keep Mizora alive to get the cambion in Act 2, but still hats off for finding a way to not turn Wyl into a Devil

[@Leongon]

I imagine you can kill Mizora without the barrels by casting silence so she can't heal herself, but maybe that heal is not magical, dunno.

[@guidojacobs2002]

I'm replaying 1:18 at 2x speed.

[@mariuszmoraw3571]

Are you guys really can't live Wyll getting horns instead of robe? Even Wyll knows Karlach is worth it.

[@sourcecaster]

Rafael also can spawn on the way to Sirens.

[@MrGranten]

Kind of interesting since I'm pretty sure, in the story anyway, you shouldn't be able to kill Mizora there at all. (spoilers below) At that time I'm pretty sure she should be trapped by the Cult and only communicating with you by a projection.

[@cfa44acepilot]

This is not worth it to 90% of the people who used the old method.

[@onedreh]

aaaaah sooo cute