Get the look or the body? The Relationship Between Y2k Fashion vs Beauty Standards Analysis

[@TheMeowizer]

I think that diet culture never went away, just become more sophisticated and less in your face marketing methods. Being skinny and fit will always be IN, just the magazined dont shout it out on their covers.

[@2_faboo]

You could even argue the scale tipped the other way. With the body positivity movement in the media and with heavier set musicians making skinny "uncool" in a way and clothing brands like Victoria's Secret following the lead and taking a modern turn, and making their brand more inclusive, the "cocaine skinny" of the 90's and up to early 2010's is virtually erased today.

[@VideoJAYmer]

@@2_faboowe’re talking about fashion, and being skinny has never been deemed uncool. Thats just the honest truth

[@2_faboo]

@@VideoJAYmer It's fair to say that both are relevant to the conversation, the well being and overall shape of someone's body will always be what designers lean to. You really can't have one with out the other and there's a reason why you'll see clothes look one way on thiner models and a completly different way on heavier set ones, Or not even go up to that size [in part] because the designers didn't have that body type in mind when creating that collection / piece. And "skinny" (and maybe even healthy) has definitely tooken its final bow even with how clothes are constructed today. Taking attention off of the person's body type and giving them more grace shape wise to not focus on how the clothes fit them, rather if they're more comfortable and if they like the patterns / designs. There's more to be said about these topics, but overall yes, both topics are important to what she's talking about as it's not only in the video description but in the comment you read before replying to mine.

[@1chigo5]

“[fashion] should be something that gives you confidence and allows you to be most yourself, not to measure your worth in relation to” yes x1000!!! i really enjoyed this discusssion as this topic overall has been on my mind quite a lot lately. as i grow and explore my own style i’ve found myself taking inspiration from this time period since i grew up surrounded by these standards after all, but i’m glad that the detrimental aspects of fashion during this time (diet culture, tabloid gossip, etc) are less integral to the “look” now than they were back then.

[@nani-zs5pj]

the bottom line is that body types should not be a trend.

[@lebateleurr]

As always, you're such a class act! Great analysis!

[@CleverAndChic]

You’re too kind, thank you 🖤

[@Kiwilog1]

love how you broke this down and didn't hide the unseen and honestly ugly truth of the industry and also still appreciated the very few good sides.

[@elinat2414]

Growing up as an impressionable child in the 2000s, I do not feel nostalgic for the era at all. I internalised so much that I was a fat piece of shit and that no-one would ever want me, that the thought literally didn't bother me. I just found my escape in studying, books, music and games. Because of the media messaging (and my mum, who bought into it as well), I literally expected to be single and alone forever because no guy would find me attractive. In the end, I started dating my husband at 19, and were married by 26...but that is beside the point. Lack of diversity, diet culture and body shaming in the media really impacts young people the most, because children and teenagers are not equipped to critique the media messaging and fall for it blindly.

[@MELLMAO]

I also grew up in 2000s and was a teen in 2010s. Those impressionable years really make your brain internalize things so deeply that even today I am bursting with joy when my hips and chest reduce in size, even though it's not popular anymore to be built that way

[@Anna-xv1ep]

Thank you for always bringing me up! Wishing all the light and joy to everyone here in 2024

[@dalhousieDream]

You are so right about diet and fat phobia culture. Totally agree. I remember a quote by Mary Quant, who said that nobody show be larger than a size 2.

[@Cookiecutter333]

I love your videos they are always so well researched and well structured, I just wish you used a microphone so we could hear you clearly it would really make your videos more crisp and clean

[@CleverAndChic]

Thank you so much! I’m definitely going to be investing in a lapel mic to up the quality. I appreciate the feedback 🖤

[@pisceanbeauty2503]

2000’s fashion…elegant? As someone who was there, it really wasn’t. Probably the least elegant fashion decade of the past 40 years.

[@CleverAndChic]

I was there! I love high fashion of that time and still wear those pieces to this day. To me they are elegant, but the everyday trends… not so much. I wasn’t looking rather elegant back then haha

[@sebastian3004]

It's harder these days for women due to fitness craze. Back then all you had to was being skinny. Now you gotta have nice glutes and ass on top so you have to do lots of weight lifting as well (girls couldn't even dream about showing their shape of the butt crack back then. Now it's a must at the gym)

[@jasminecaviar]

I came from your newer videos to hear the “original” voice used. Lovely. Your selection of topics are great also.

[@apolloromseverywhere]

I LOVED THE VIDEO SM! i know you probably wont see this but i would love if you could do the style of Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy and 90s minimalism, idk why but i love this style so much

[@anesnt6645]

Que lindaaaa! Acompanho seu trabalho desde o inicio e fiquei super feliz de saber que é brasileira também!

[@impactive3124]

Amazing voice, I always thought it must be some super voice generator when i saw few older videos. ^^

[@retineshilares2497]

What I appreciate about our period is that growing concern about environmental sustainability and ethical conditions for the workers. Capitalism put a lot of efforts on producing fast fashion for teens heavily influenced by singers and bands. At that age, we usually don't know that stage fashion and everyday fashion aren't the same and we are mimicking our favorite characters form series and movies or our favorite bands styles while listening to their music. The quest for second hand clothes and vintage items can participate to this sustainability and new garment cleaning technologies now offer more ecological alternatives. Even though the people that made those clothes first hand are still not getting a fair wage for their growing, threading, weaving, dyeing, cutting and sewing, we at least have the possibility not to exploit other workers and environments to make more new ones. Some high fashion clothes can also be altered and repaired as well. The way they age through the years might participate to a style or aesthetic. These days, the automatisation of production and new ways of dyeing fabric offer new possibilities. In London, they even have the technology to remove the dye from a fabric and change its color to keep some clothing items more current. It's also possible to reduce the water needed to dye and even reuse it for another fabric. Other fashion house might even recycle various fibers used for their models. In regard to fair trade fashion, often with ecological fabrics and dyes, it's a good alternative to ready to wear garments and jewlery. Fair working conditions and wages for models is still very relevant at our age were there is still human traffick and drug use. ''Threadbare'' by anne elizabeth moore is a good book to start thinking about those questions. As fashion appreciators we can make statements with our choices and even grow conversations with our looks. Thanks again for that researched content that helped me move from those beauty standards enforced to the members of my family and myself by marketing and culture. I'm feeling healthier already, as stress is often a factor that aggravates illness. Ecological and vegan athletic and outdoor wear helps me keep myself in my appreciation of the natural world from which fashion can express so much beauty.

[@dalhousieDream]

Well said.

[@Kiwilog1]

i really love your analysis on this so fair and concise

[@ElianaRosalind]

Hey Michelle, great video as always! I'm currently catching up on your content while trying out different makeup looks for a birthday party and to me that's the feeling of 'girlhood' in the best way. Like listenting to a friend give a badass & informative tedtalk on interesting subjects 🤍 Sending virtual hugs, sense of security & health from Romania!

[@cl.j.a.a.9492]

Te extrañaba, buen video ❤

[@dalhousieDream]

Good to see you again. You look great too -- and your lipstick suits you well.

[@CleverAndChic]

It’s a mutual feeling, good to see everyone. That’s too sweet, thank you. I’m wearing the Dior lip oil over Charlotte Tilbury Pillow Talk 🫶🏻

[@dalhousieDream]

@@CleverAndChic Thanks for the info! You're amazing.

[@Rachelle660]

This would be more watchable if the music was quieter or absent

[@NoctisAquila]

Ozempic Or Orlistat Or Wegovny Or Oh I donnow- qsymia or Contrave Easy pease, no excuse to be fat!

[@barbiebunnybakery1896]

As someone who grew up in the early 2000s I absolutely HATE for this aesthetic to come back. I’m 5 6 and weight between 110-115 lbs and people still said I was too curvy. Everything was super revealing and your default setting HAD to be sexy if not a bit coquettish borderline promiscuous. I like picking things that you like and reimagine it in a new way but for the love of god, don’t make this a core-aesthetic (again).😭😅

[@stargiirls]

what happened to ur it girl style video :(

[@dalhousieDream]

Is that a question?

[@stargiirls]

@@dalhousieDream yes im asking where it went since its not on her channel anymore

[@susanforeman8168]

Bring it back 🙌🏼 fashion and beauty SHOULD be aspirational, and people should be more willing to admit that not every body is beautiful. Everyone has their strengths, not nobody has every strength. Some people are smart, some people are physically strong, some people are fast, some people are pretty, etc. You can have a combination of a few strengths, or maybe just one, but nobody embodies all strengths, and I’m sick of this culture that pretends everyone is great in all ways and nobody is considered exceptional, or inadequate, even when they clearly are.

[@dalhousieDream]

Hopefully people reflect and realize that this standard is an illusion and that one only sees a minute slice of life and image -- where filters and lighting are partly responsible. Believe in yourself instead of concentrating on others.

[@susanforeman8168]

@@dalhousieDream “filters and lighting” can only do so much. “Plus sized models” have every benefit from filters, lighting, editing, and stylists, but they still look disgusting. I looked better when I was homeless than most people do when they’re dolled up all fancy, because I’m thin, and have traits like a nice bone structure, thick wavy hair that’s never been fried, and good skin. You can’t paint a masterpiece on a fucked up canvas. Conversely, you can chip all decoration off a marble statue but it’s still gonna be beautiful. Besides, you don’t have to “concentrate on others” to know innately if you’re beautiful or not, and acknowledging that improvements can be made or that something might not be your strong suit isn’t not “believing in yourself”. Be realistic

[@VideoJAYmer]

You’re just a fatphobe lol

[@maverickbull1909]

Hmmm... i think we've made strides, but we lost something, too. Not every body is beautiful. It's a sweet little lie. People these days are such victims, crying constantly about everything. Having racial diversity? Great and necessary. Having body diversity? Not necessary. A 200 pound model simply does not suit clothing and does not highlight the designs. The point of runways is to show the clothes, but people focus more on the models. They want everyone to tell them there's nothing wrong with them. Why? Why are you comparing yourself to a supermodel? The top 1% of beauty? It's insane. How you feel about your body is up to you. People need to take responsibility for their own self-confidence and image is my view.

[@amethystdream8251]

Counterpoint: an ideal body type has become dangerous for many of us out here, because of how vicious some people can get when they lack body confidence. Representation and validation to a certain degree do help people out with their body confidence. It sends the message that society cares enough to include them. These designers for runway shows have spent years studying the craft of garment making and design, they have exclusive access to skilled workers and resources...and you're telling us they can't work around different body types? For anyone who has actually studied fashion or costume design or construction, that is laughable. You're not skilled at the craft if you can't tailor around curves and bulges, or if you can't hem a garment to shorten it. People tend not to speak out about this however, because the industry puts people out of jobs for having boundaries and different opinions. Did we forget that clothing is made for the human body? Did we forget not everyone has access to the type of food that keeps a body slim, and that is very much an issue on the government level? The whole fashion industry and the people who support its exclusionary ways, need a good humbling if you ask me. We need to remember that art and innovation are supposed to be fun, and things do not need to look a very specific way to be fun.

[@lkf8799]

The problem is when ONLY thin bodies are the standard of beauty. All body types want to look good in clothes. Fashion should be for everyone.

[@alokinrainborn]

OMG, I Thought you were Central or Eastern Slavic. It's a hot take, not PC opinion but I think that clothes look better on you when you're on the thinner side, not BMI 13skinny but more lean. just IMO love ya, you're such a chic lady

[@girlwiththeblues]

are you wearing a wig?