Getting Rid of the Beginner's Sound

[@mmikita6013]

3 years later, and you still manage to save someone from giving up on violin. I tried it a couple of times and felt like I had no talent at all, but listening to what you have to say, I realized it was probably because I didnt prepare the violin, now I decided to go back to playing it. Thanks!!!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Awww..That makes me really happy Luna!! And welcome back to the violin world!! We all have difficult moments like that, but it's totally worth to keep trying. You will be rewarded with a beautiful singing violin sound Luna! Happy violin playing!!

[@undefined6512]

Like the saying goes: If at first you don't succeed, apply more rosin.

[@williamturner1517]

As my instructor said, talent has nothing to do with it. Hard work has everything to do with it.

[@Avac2008]

And then another 3 years later

[@mandolinsam7901]

1. Rosin your bow (ten passes up and down each time you play) 2. Try applying rosin to the strings for more traction 3. Choke up on the bow 4. Move your bow across the string, don't try to push through it (4:55) 5. When you get the bowing motion smoother, try to make sure your bow hits the string near the end of the fretboard 6. Read ahead in your music so that you are not trying to play while you read. If you do, you'll learn bad bowing habits.

[@NugNux]

yeah, that sums up, :)

[@poppyz6816]

Wow life saver! Thank you!

[@gabrielleporter553]

Jane Eyre sometimes it's not enough, it's just depends on how much is needed, from my personal experience. 10 is enough for somebody who isn't usually putting on rosin. Hope this helps

[@Knallbart]

Oh.... The 6 one is quite good. I read notes super slowly so I do exactly that X) Thank you. I will try to read ahead :)

[@sathishkumarp7423]

here's a few ideas for how to play the violin Decide precisely why you want to learn the violin Make sure that you are committed to learn the violin Find which method works for you best - an online course or a personal tutor or lessons. (I discovered about these and more on Ajana Music Lessons site )

[@Gichanasa]

Over a half-century of being around classical musicians, I have never seen someone putting the rosin on the strings directly... what a gangster move! You are a great teacher, keep it up!

[@jb9652]

Gangster move!! 😂 I've not seen it either, but I was tempted with some new strings recently - the bottom two strings were super slippy (even with a well rosined bow)!

[@danshaskin5543]

Ok, I will give credit where credit is due. I have been "plagued" by an inadequate violin sound for the past 6 months (scratchy, wispy and not very strong). I'm a player of about 2.5 years. I kept thinking that I must need my bow re-haired or something. I put SOME rosin on from time to time of course. But only after seeing your video did I decide to try putting a LOT. Sure enough, the tone evened out and the sound is much better now. All this time, I just lacked rosin! Thanks so much for that tip.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

you are most welcome Dan !

[@willwinn8559]

I've had one sitting in my closet for 8 years , I've never played with it until 30 minutes ago . I'm actually making sound and Not screeching .. 😎👍 Great tutorial I might look into lessons ..

[@annielam5403]

I swear, I’ve been playing my violin for 11 years, and all of sudden a few months back, I started playing really bad. I suddenly lost the confidence to play, and feel like I didn’t make any progress, and now after months later, I realize it was the freaking rosin... Oh My God! Thank u. This is my mom’s account by the way lmao

[@ZealVD]

I recently got myself a viola, i’ve wanted to play again since finishing up school almost about 17 years ago now. This gave me a bit of a refresher and thanks for the resin info! Great tip.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much !

[@patriciajrs46]

These are very great tips. Thank you. I haven't heard anyone else explain the differences like your examples here. Great.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're very welcome! Thank you also Patricia for your kind words! Happy practising!

[@animemax5685]

U really give me such a teache vibe and i like it feels like a real violin class

[@irajganjian6987]

Wow, it really makes a difference, putting rosin on the string. It makes the bow more responsive and creates a better sound. Of course I removed it afterward. Thank you so much for the advise.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

So glad to hear that it was helpful :) You're most welcome Iraj

[@adriepram]

As a doublebassist I can confirm we sometimes put rosin straight to the strings, especially for newly changed strings. The rosin needs to cover quite large area so we can have the 'bite' wherever we intend to bow (in bass it might be about 15cm from end of fingerboard to a bit above the bridge, so yeah quite lengthy). Recently learning violin seriously so I can duet with my gf, thankyou for the tips!

[@mellowxiumin]

it's so warm to hear that "there is no wrong question", sometimes I felt my question might be valid but I don't want to look supid to my teacher so I didn't ask and therefore I didn't learn.. what a pity

[@JoyLeeViolin]

All questions are valuable and important steps to improve ourselves :) Happy violin playing Marissa!

[@jb9652]

Don't stop asking questions until your teacher has nothing left to teach you!! 🙂

[@MohammedHajjar]

I love your videos. They are straight to the point and easy to follow. Please keep posting and we'll keep watching

[@Tempusverum]

How to not sound like a beginner? Abuse the resin!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

sometimes it helps !

[@yuinurahilyon5711]

That sounds evil hahahaha.

[@pianoraves]

And don't forget to abuse the violin

[@pierresihite8854]

@I’m Very Ugly flashbacks of music teacher smashing violin in front of class in rage... Tis april fools luckily

[@dianeovercash6739]

@AyoTaxic I use mine as a doorstop, lol

[@manvsviolin1271]

I'm a beginner, and your suggestions helped me a lot. Thank you for taking the time to make this video!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're so welcome!

[@davidsimpson3380]

Thank-you for sharing your wonderful musical insights!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

My pleasure! Thank you also David!

[@catinabruce633]

Violin Queen thank you so much I'm getting the rust off my fingers through your gift for free God Bless you and thank you so much play forever!

[@ismaelflorit5938]

haha that expression after seeing your husband applying rosin on his bass strings xD

[@JoyLeeViolin]

;))))

[@nyanchan-c4p]

I think the hair must impact the amount of rosin needed. I have been disappointed with my sound as well. I've been applying rosin as I usually did with my other set up, one or two before each two (up to four) hour practice session. This was fine with my previous bow. My new one (I've had it 2 months) ...I tried the rosin on the strings and really over rosining the bow and poof! Sound fixed. Clean up was a bear, and I'll likely not use quite so much in the future (maybe half), but no more slipping and wispy bits.

[@azrailoh6994]

I just pick up my old violin again, this is very helpful

[@jenniferrosener4668]

Great tips! Thank you so much for taking the time to make this!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You are so welcome! Thank you also Jennifer!

[@davidsprinkle1112]

Thank you so much for your tips. I am a beginner violin player. And already I sould intermediate player. Thank you so much again. Best wishes and take care. Two thumbs up! 😁👍👍

[@JoyLeeViolin]

So glad to hear that David! Bravo!

[@zoheeames1006]

Thank you so much! I got a violin for Christmas and I'm having so much fun learning how to play it but I'm having a little trouble getting that nice sound and now I know I was using the bow too lightly. Thank you , these tips are going to help me so much!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you so much and happy new year !

[@martagonzalez3228]

Thank you so much for this video. I would have never thought to put rosin on the strings, but that helps tremendously!!😊

[@jaym6501]

I like your advice. Keep up the good work. 🌷👏👏

[@nickiemcnichols5397]

Thank you Joy! You are the Cynthia Lynn of violin students. (She teaches ukulele beginners, and is very popular)

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you very much Nickie. Happy music making!

[@watermelon-vm9nm]

I actually thought i had no talent and thought of giving up then I came across this video it motivated me. I thank you very much!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Awww... your comment made me very happy. And Bravo to you for your continuous wonderful work! Happy music making!!!

[@watermelon-vm9nm]

@@JoyLeeViolin UwU

[@theenglishwitch]

Thank you!! I found out I wasn't useing the rosin enough xxxx

[@trishratanagiri2588]

Thankyou Joy Lee, for wealth of information. You've helped enormously in tracking down some of my weaknesses. All the best for your future playing, to yourself and all your viewers.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you so much Trish! You are so kind :)

[@urbanadventurer5]

Best video I have watched yet. Thank you so much. 👍🏾👏🏾

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You are very kind Urban, Thank you also!

[@jacobdavid5117]

Thank you for the techniques for a beginner .

[@AaliyahLynnsMommy]

wow she helps a lot! thank you so much!!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

So glad to hear that I can be helpful. Thank you also Aaliya and happy violin playing!

[@SVRoquetta]

This was so helpful, thank you very much. Beginning violin is a very steep learning curve and everything you said is exactly the problems I'm having. Now I know what to work on. Thank you 😊

[@laralovesviolins6510]

Thank you, the bowing movement information is very helpful!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're very welcome!

[@TeaAndCreampie]

Oooooooooo amazing learning tips thank you so much!! :)

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're very welcome Allan. Happy music making!

[@Hisham_HMA]

thanks for the tips, i will try them

[@carlmoeller56]

Very good rosin also helps. I have been playing for 2 months and my sound is improving. Some very good tips. Thank you.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Great to hear!

[@StephanieHughesDesign]

As a beginning violinist I adore your violin videos. Great job.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much Stephanie !

[@darby1015]

It's so helpful. Thanks for your sharing.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You are so welcome Darby! Thanks also!

[@Lion718]

Great! Thanks!

[@vainmoo311]

Thank you, Joy. This is really helpful! Going back to my violin now!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're most welcome Vain ! Thanks as well :)

[@minealf]

hello joy lee!^^ a fan and on line student from korea^^ thank u for posting lessons on you tube. As a late beginner of 40 more years old your tips have helped me a lot thank you

[@davidhuckaby832]

My begining was hearing my mom saying, "Who is strangling the cat?" and "Can you find another place to make that dreadful racket?" This was actually helpful because I went into the wilderness miles from anyone at that time with my boom box radio to play by ear with different songs to discover the freedom of 'PLAYING OUT LOUDLY.'....rather being soft, delicate, timid, squeaky, shaky, quietly and shy. The full sound was glorious in realizing a wonderful tone. I came back home with a gift that mom gave me!😜

[@jb9652]

Well done! Definitely the way to do it!! The violin knows when you are frightened - of your Mum! 😂

[@maudthemoth]

Amazing advice!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you very much!

[@bandaraelliyadda2174]

Thanks Joy ❤️🎻💐

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You're most welcome Bandara! :)

[@dianeovercash6739]

Rosining the bow each time you play is very helpful. I used to rosin about once a week.

[@Zoom_1012]

The last point you made about "reading ahead" I feel is definitely important. Plus, if you are ever in an orchestra the proper rule of thumb is to look at the conductor every 3 measures of music. This was a good intro video. Also, I was taught to rosin your bow always in the same direction, never back and forth like you demonstrated. Just my two cents worth. I've been playing for roughly 12 years. Just things I've picked up over the years.

[@davidryan4127]

Thank you I love the sound it creates so ancient so all across barriers

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you David :)

[@deltafour1212]

I'm going to "steal" your idea on your violin & cabinet display.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Deltafour1212, good for you! Go for it! Violin is such a beautiful looking ( and sounding) art piece, isn't it? :)

[@deltafour1212]

YES! That's exactly what the violin is. A beautiful looking and sounding art piece!

[@bubblegumae4522]

Got to scren shot this idea for my friends new music room. It's so magical

[@googlestealmydatapls5410]

Kinda scary if an earthquake were to hit though.

[@ImNewbeh]

@@JoyLeeViolin The reason why I bought, one. Always had to urge to buy one for some reason. Now I'm a complete beginner but I enjoy it ;)

[@jack002tuber]

Nice video. I like the part on rosining the strings

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thanks!

[@obe22099]

Even her cloth technique is mesmerizing. It's like magic.

[@franksfiddle9031]

well I'm now looking forward to getting home and getting rosin on the strings ... :) - good video Joy, thank you

[@Natbat08]

I know this video was posted a while ago but thank you so much for it! I’ve watched a few of your videos and they have helped me so much! Without them I don’t think I could ever play violin lol, so tysm!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Awww... I am so glad to hear that. Thank you also Natalee! I wish you lots of wonderful music making!

[@earlblue5313]

To create good resonance/sound not only does it require all of this included, it also comes with practice and experience in general. When you learn more ab the violin theres certain things which can't really be explained easily. Edit: I've also used this when helping younger violinist so this really helps 😁

[@russeldioneo5187]

The thing that works for me is 1. Rosin your bow more 2. Choke up on your bow 3. Let the bow fall This worked for me pretty well 3 days in learning the violin. Its the roughest instrument, theres so much nuances. But having teachers like these where they break it down for you is amazing

[@rsam1967]

Encouraging video and very insightful. I always felt bad I am not able to play from my memory. It is a big learning to know I have to teach my brain to learn bar by bar. Absolutely fabulous. Please keep posting.

[@etherealintoxicatedcanary9296]

You are an amazing teacher and easy to follow through Joy! I love your videos and your are a phenomenal violinist! You inspire me so much as a young girl who wants to get better at the violin. You are beautiful and talented! I wish I was like you.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you so much ! You are so sweet to me !

[@patrickrobinson317]

Great video - very inspirational !!!! Your video makes me want to succeed just like you !!!!

[@physicslawyer9845]

Learning (good) vibrato always helps!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Yes it does! :)

[@bigmaclover]

Thank you very much for this lesson! I can already tell the improvement I have made from the sound of my violin in only a week. :)

[@JoyLeeViolin]

that's great !

[@edwingarcia2943]

Thank you this video was very helpful. Love the way you explain. Subscribed to your channel hope to learn some.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Awesome, thank you Edwin!

[@lauraalamia7]

Thank you

[@nonh8nsk8r]

Best lesson!

[@wajang1000]

In my opinion good tone production is dependent on 3 elements relating to the bow - pressure, speed and distance (from bridge/fingerboard) and 2 elements relating to the left hand - finger pressure and placement. Tension is the enemy and tension in the left hand usually impacts the right hand if one is not careful. The other part of of the tone problem for beginners are phrasing and dynamics in order to avoid the same level of monotony all the time.

[@richtrophicherbs6463]

not just your opinion!!!!

[@goodcyrus]

All of those are important but a good rosin and using it more than most people suggest makes a HUGE difference.

[@ericclaeyborn7008]

Go ahead and leave off the rosin and see what happens.

[@DuskbloomRose]

That’s actually really helpful tips I think

[@ollandamanik424]

WOW THANKS for the tips..i cant wait for your next tips or cover of song maybe....

[@UlrichVonGelderland]

I guess something else that characterizes the not-beginner-anymore sound is articulation and modulation of the sound; small variations in weight and speed that make the sound more expressive.

[@naumanbarrech9667]

Its nice to know that we may rosin the strings of the violin as well.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

many people disagree with me, but I like it

[@watermelon-vm9nm]

Do not just practice your art, but force your way into your secrets, for it and knowledge can elevate men to the divine -Beethoven

[@UlfKloo]

Thanks for all the good advice! I’m a luthier and not a good violinist, but I ‘m passionate about the voice of the violin, and I totally agree that you should use plenty of rosin. And the brand of rosin can make a huge difference. Especially with new strings I always rosin the strings. With old rosin on the strings it can be a great help to remove that old rosin on the other hand. Nowadays it’s kind of chic to say that you hardly ever rosin the bow, and ok, you’ll more easily get a decent sound because it’s more forgiving, but how full, complex and interesting will your sound be? It comes down to your preferences of course but I am, like you, a fan of Thomastik strings, so we look for a brilliant, dynamic sound. If you want to have a very smooth and sweet sound it’s a different matter. Obligato, or even Violino strings and almost no rosin would be the way to go.

[@cecilia7259]

My rosin is very hard and hardly ever dusts the board, just the strings. How any times should I apply a hard rosin (back and forth) for a better and fuller sound?

[@UlfKloo]

@@cecilia7259 That would depend on how hard you press the rosin onto the bow hair. You also need more if the strings are new or if you recently got the bow rehaired. Apply the rosin until you’re happy with the friction and the sound. And never touch the bow hair or the strings between fingerboard and bridge of course 😊

[@asherwade]

Dear Joy: ''YES-!!!", I did go *Wha-a-a-!!*, when you said ''rosin your strings'', ...and just 'BEFORE' you said, ''you're wondering 'WHAT-!', never heard of it-!' {at 1:50} - !!! {8~) - hahahahaha-!!!, ...you're right, I have NEVER heard of it, ...but, yeah, it makes so much sense [thank G-d, I do clean my violin after every use, so ...]. Keep up your good work; :-)

[@bashaberl1428]

Very helpful

[@ThrupthiRp]

Thank you so much 🥺

[@JoyLeeViolin]

You’re welcome 😊

[@edmorris5007]

Thanks for these tips, Joy.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

you are welcome

[@batypist8675]

nice and thoughtul, measured to not go too fast, thanks very much!

[@paulpedersen1329]

Thanks!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Welcome!

[@hossein1326]

you are amazing. your way of teaching wonderful. Thank you .

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much !

[@vincents6328]

How am I just discovering this now… the rosin on string does wondersss

[@richmartfamilar6300]

Thanks for sharing your knowledge Maam

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much !

[@zhang6817]

Thank you so much teaching

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you so much !

[@charis_joyce]

That’s cool that you can put rosin on the strings!! Thanks for the tips😄

[@GregLassiterAUG]

Joy thank you so much

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you as well !

[@denisegardinermusic8441]

Joy Lee, I am so glad I discovered you! Thank you so much! You are an amazing teacher! (Kudos from a piano teacher.) I am not a violinist; I am a (just crossed into intermediate) self and KZbin taught fiddler. I am always trying to improve my sound and technique. After watching some of your videos, instead of trying to forge ahead fast with more difficult tunes, I went back to the simpler ones to work on my sound quality and I am improving. My next goal is to work on flexibility when speed is required. Do you have any suggestions for that?

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you Denise. Here are some videos in that regard. I hope they are helpful. Happy violin playing! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oqvQqIKohZVnjNE kzbin.info/www/bejne/gmjcf56qgZ13nLs

[@gregoryreese8491]

Many thanks, these are very helpful!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

So glad to hear that Gregory. Thanks as well:)

[@Kodoma90]

Thank you for sharing! This is all very helpful :)

[@GayleMaurer]

Great idea! Thanks!

[@MungeParty]

Thanks for the tips.

[@Виктор-д2н9ц]

qw

[@maryruthfarmer3323]

I love your videos

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much !

[@stefBeuk]

This was so helpful! Thank you so much.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

you are most welcome !

[@chowderp6037]

You just got another subscriber. I love your videos!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

you are so kind !!

[@jaquelineguerra2591]

youve got another subscriber by heart god bless u and ur music, keep up the good work😍😘

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thank you so much !!

[@jaquelineguerra2591]

+Joy Lee ur welcome, ill see if i can convince other people 2 suscribe and make u more popular!!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thanks a lot Jaqueline :)

[@lanewalsh]

Grate vid

[@lanewalsh]

Ya

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thanks Lane!

[@lukemanriquez5236]

Hi Joy. Great video as always. Thank you so much. Im currently going through All for Strings volume one, about 80% finished. I stumbled upon a free you tube channel that goes through this book in great detail. The KZbin channel is Pro am strings. I have been redoing the book because the teacher is emphasizing bow devision and wants the bow at the frog at some notes and the tip at others. Before I was playing in the middle of the bow. As a beginner should I be worried about bow distribution so much?

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Hi Luke, good for you that you have been working so well and patiently. At the beginner level, using whole bows may not be the top priority. However when you go to the next level, you will appreciate having access to the whole bows. I wish you all the best and wonderful practising!

[@lukemanriquez5236]

@@JoyLeeViolin Thank you so much Joy. 😊

[@nareshvideos123]

It really helped.. thaks for sharing the tutorial

[@Shoshii]

2:23 Does that damage the strings?

[@JoyLeeViolin]

not at all, I have never had any problems

[@Shoshii]

Joy Lee Okay thank you

[@bunnybunbun2660]

You just have to be careful I think

[@JKCDLT]

Pine sap is softer than steel.

[@radamstep]

Every video I've been seeing telling me to clean the strings and violin to remove rosin and other residues left, so as not to damage the violin goes completely against what this person is saying. Putting rosin on strings like that sounds like blasphemy, but I guess if you wipe it off with a cloth if you put too much on, you'll be okay... I certainly won't be putting rosin on my rings, though. I prefer listening to the tons of research on violin/string care I've been seeing...

[@mikes7736]

Very clear! I can use all of these points with my students. Keep em' coming.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Thank you Mike :) I'm so glad to hear that my videos are helpful in your teaching studio.

[@goodcyrus]

My sounds improved immensely after i got Kolstein and Hill and Son. I HAVE TO use both and use a lot more than most people suggest and it makes a great difference.

[@JoyLeeViolin]

thanks for your kind comment ! I am glad this helps.

[@davecm1605]

This is very helpful

[@JoyLeeViolin]

glad to hear

[@user-lu2wu4kz2l]

Bought a violin. Half an hour later wanted to take it back. How do people play so well when you can't even make it to play a sound at the start.

[@breannahelgerson465]

Rosin!!

[@ruth325]

Lots of practice. Everyone sounds horrible at first.

[@MIKABL99D]

dude what the hell ?? did u expect urself to be a violin god straight up? go to lessons LMAO

[@boonsfrc]

I will be practicing this today 😁 thank you for sharing with us 😊

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Wonderful Boon! Happy practising!

[@chriss6356]

can you do a video about increasing speed on something like schradiek book 1 first exercise

[@nimrod98]

I'm looking for this too :)

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Physics Only, Yes, gladly!!

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Nimrod98, a video is on the way.

[@grippingforlife]

How can i do vibrato without bowing the strings with the same beat when im doing the vibrato? Sorry I hope this make sense

[@JoyLeeViolin]

Hi Ruru, you would start with one oscillation per bow, then gradually increase the number of oscillations on one bow. Here is a video which might give you a better idea. Happy practising! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJKylmCLlM1qepY