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[@stansmith7438]

> "mana changes - step in the right direction, making mana meaningful" > plays rage build LOLW i agree though

[@JayTheProduct]

Do you mean plays a blood magic build?

[@Yonhondainove]

@@and-jz7cx how is hypocritical. Before manachanges there was no reason to play blood magic whatsoever.

[@MichaelLD305]

Im happy at least Quin sees these changes as good

[@Deleted_Alt]

The flask changes are neat, I actually like rolling for nice auto flask usage conditions because I'm a mindless idiot.

[@MrHadoukemm]

the thing is " before this patch when you use flask your caracter got like 500% more status and when they are gone, you get one shot" They remove the flask and not the one shot :s

[@handsomebear.]

The whole point of the nerfs is you're not supposed to play like a little rat that is zooming around and ignoring every mechanic. If they nerfed your survivability and also nerfed the enemy damage to compensate, nothing would change lol. _They wanted things to change..._ Yea there are some insane one shots like the one Quin had but a lot of them are avoidable by slowing down your gameplay and just not playing things that are super risky...Quin took a chance with that map. You can't win every time you take a chance. Even Steelmage said something to the effect of "why TF was he playing a map with those mods??"

[@sean78745]

@@ohyea456 I did not say the game does not one shot ppl, I was pointing out that the game is extremely similar to the way it always was, with careful planning its easy to make it just as far as you did last league

[@gundamnit3594]

@@sean78745 You can get to lvl 90 grinding white tier magic maps easily, doesn't mean shit imo.

[@sean78745]

@@gundamnit3594 what would be your point

[@MrHadoukemm]

@@handsomebear. you say that but they have a LOT of mecanics that makes you play fast ( breach, legion, alva, delirium etc..) and they where not adress at all this patch, the thing is, those changes are cool, i like the new damage numbers and the flasks are not all THAT bad but they fucked so much in some changes that seems they don't even play test the changes

[@strandwolf796]

i was playing boneshatter jugg and had way more dps than quin, but i quit the character because it was too fucking PainChamp, hes actually fucking insane

[@karolean8342]

Yeah, I'm ok with nerfing player damage and making the game slower and more meaningful but it would be great if they nerfed some monsters a bit or added more defensive layers (I can only make strength build because I don't know how to make a good int build without fortify and armour for example and using MoM or mechanics like that require a lot of investment in mana and costly things imo).

[@MattDoesLife539]

POE reddit better listen to all the EX-diablo 3 players/streamers, they have seen how the bullshit of power creep does to a game.

[@agushex]

True, ggg did right... and it's like what Alkaizer said, many many many games end up doing stuff like that, now they're dead as fuck... every single game that went that direction died, take as example D2 and Mu, at some point those games compete, Mu went that direction of being stupidly crazy damage to the point to just play it with an autoclick now is basically dead while there are still a lot of people playing D2.

[@tjokkerstar1462]

old MU was great fun :)

[@lehighrezknowz]

probably some of the worst word vomit ever to come out of quins mouth

[@danreed88]

I’m really liking the league it’s only the second I’ve participated in but it’s kept my attention considerably more then the last time think it was heist.

[@RickeOOO]

Everything is going in the right direction. 100% agree with you Quin, No kapp, you are spot on in your analysis about PoE, you and Chris both know whats good for a game. You got some cooked calories in vs calories out takes, but in the ARPG-area of things, you know what ur talking about, and your right 100% of the time. (Atleast from all my hours watching ur stream). I dont want another d3, I want a grind all the way to red maps. You shouldnt be able to progress above white maps the first 2-3 days. The game reddit talks about where u basically need 4x orb of binding and the gems to link your setup to complete the entire game is absurd. I could agree with redditors about one thing, build diversity. It got hit pretty hard with these changes, the meta seems pretty slim atm. Some classes seems to a point almost unplayable now in SSFHC since they cannot perform in end-game without unreachable gear. But most, id say 90% of the classes and builds would work just fine, (IF YOU PUT TIME AND EFFORT INTO YOUR BUILD). If you dont, you shouldnt expect to kill anything above tier 10. I also dont really get what people were thinking when they saw PoE 2? They all shouted, they all got super excited and shit there pants because how great that game looked. It took them fucking MINUTES to progress 7 screens and kill 10 mobs. PoE is going in that direction, and its so fucking enjoyable to see all the Softcore plebs crying because they no longer get red-map carried by orb of binding and flasks :D

[@kevin29564]

I feel like I’m seeing a lot of clips where streamers overly exaggerate on a lot of the complaints and feedback on reddit. I don’t like how it undermines the legitimate feedback since it sends the message of it being ‘You’re stupid if you think that way’. That being said, the changes aren’t nearly as bad as people say they are, but at the same time, seeing the mid-league changes, it’s clear that GGG isn’t exactly perfect either.

[@dayanson6920]

23 leagues in and i have rolled a char and done the campaign like 1k times. My thing is i want them to offer a different way to lvl like D3 after you have completed the campaign once. Also its interesting how the game changes if there is no logout/macro.

[@progoldfish7441]

im still spamming flasks easily in maps so idk man

[@Legionthecomrade]

I think it's great that all the people complaining about these changes have completely forgotten that PoE 2 is on it's way. They've literally been doing things to prepare for PoE 2 for a long time now. Most of the playerbase forgets that the moment it stops being mentioned. Do people seriously think they're not going to try to balance the game for the future? PoE 1 ain't lasting forever. They want to move on with the game and honestly I'm ok with the game moving on as well. Game needs shaken up.

[@Lubet0TheGreat]

Please explain what is PoE2? Another campaign with the same endgame? Better graphics? Many people play this version of the game, because of the fast gameplay. How stupid is from GGG's side not to make another game with slower pace and let the player's decide. Instead they build on the corpse of PoE1.

[@jojojanaidio4390]

@@Lubet0TheGreat and magically conjure years of content out of their ass?

[@Tsakan2]

The problem is, these changes should of came years ago. But now it's at the point where the rug has been yanked out from under us. You build all this content and design bosses around this ridiculous power creep. then remove a big chunk of power creep but leave everything else essentially the same, it's lazy, untested, and bad design. If GGG actually tested these changes beforehand they wouldn't of backpedaled immediately. They are out of touch with the community, and each community manifesto they clearly stray further and further away. They made too many ridiculously drastic changes for 1 single patch, and it's clear they didn't thoroughly playtest a lot of these changes.

[@zxkredo]

I can watch that alkaizer clip all day xd

[@Koroar]

Imagine being one of these hysterical baby redditors getting destroyed by Quin

[@warlordbino3780]

He's right. D3 is the living example of what happens when devs give into crying bitches

[@silvioantonio6952]

When you pause before the death. Was one goatman with molten shell and powerfull crits LMAO 🤣😆🤣😂

[@csk3578]

Its the right direction but sadly lots of people didnt like it.

[@handsomebear.]

We've barely had time to explore it fully lol. It's mainly just salt at this point. People refusing to even try to adjust their playstyle to fit the new environment.

[@csk3578]

@@handsomebear. i think people did try though. Yes there are people who didnt even league start but there are also lots of people quitting after a few day too as showed in the player retention statistic of this league.

[@crispysk8er77]

League mechanic is boring slowing down is boring harvest being destroyed made endgame boring

[@csk3578]

@@and-jz7cx im not saying that i don't understand why people doesnt like the nerf. i just say i think the change was in the right direction but it goes against what a lot of people like. you replied to the wrong comment or what? no one ask for the reason why people didnt like the change.

[@wacojitsu]

2 days was enough to realize nerfs are for games without new end game. Instead of these bullshiy mini games each league we could be getting new boss fights with a new grind to end game every 3 months. But I guess you'd rather get a boring mini game for leveling and then have our damage and overeat speed stripped from us. Have fun playing the game alone.

[@pily8438]

Almost only one quin take with which I agree. Though I think mana was a bit overkill and just anoying, yet flasks and lower dmg is alright. Last thing I didnt like that they "killed" many builds (spellslingers for example) instead of making us play more builds, they just changed "meta", which is good too after all the meta didnt changed for 3-4 leagues... RIP VD DD Sadge

[@achgehzu2125]

He is right. Quin is actually right.

[@QUANT_PAPA]

he not add all,

[@monstarstevo7307]

I agree these changes are for the best 👌❤ just quit logging out when it's time 2 die

[@steveschofield4588]

Only time will tell if GGG are right about any of the changes, not reddit, not streamers, not players

[@yeah5874]

That alk clip is exactly what people want the game to be like

[@jojojanaidio4390]

Tell them how it is quon69 BASED

[@kha0sv4ktor72]

that hideout tho dude

[@MrBa143]

Quin: you really want to skip the story? Also quin: Yes please

[@lynardskynard2895]

The story's suck ass and meaningless. I hope we can get a better story arc in POE2.

[@Doppe1ganger]

The game lacks any challenge until bullshit kills you.

[@SinfulGFX]

He's pretty much asking, "do you want PoE or WoW?"

[@stokos123]

RARE GOOD TAKE Stronge Clap

[@TheEtherea]

Ofc I want to skip the fucking story. At least on second+ character per league. Doing campaign once per league is already too fucking much.

[@andrefrauenknecht8190]

lol what are people talking about - acts took 6 hrs on red maps eazy day minus 20

[@lynardskynard2895]

And he died. Funniest shit I've ever watch.

[@James-bj2ni]

If you see this chat VI VON ZULUL

[@GhostAeonWolf]

you know who does not pander to its audience and does whatever they think its best for the game? BLIZZARD.

[@Doppe1ganger]

wut?

[@Tracker947]

@@Doppe1ganger Blizzard literally ignored everything their player base told them and insisted on doing their own controversial ideas to "try and make the game better" and completely killed WoW.

[@MadmanThreeTwoTwo]

Coins are flipping and streamers are malding.

[@wacojitsu]

And player base is down to 60k in 5 days lol.

[@Doppe1ganger]

Quin69 being less authistic than the rest. ouch

[@gadsanchez4929]

where are the heeaaaals

[@OrganicStuff1]

Everyone is making fun of quin for his FFXIV Where the heals!

[@TheRealTrucido]

Chimp69 rofl

[@the_OG1893]

The changes are good yes, but they didn't change monsters (damage, visual clutter, one shots, off screens), and the loot acquisition for people who don't play 12 hours a day is trash.

[@9024tobi]

They do change the monsters just not downwards 🤣 they buffed act 1 and for example: maps goatmen are also affected by that

[@skepticist87]

These changes are the step in the right direction conceptually, yes. Game should be slower and should have reactive combat sprinkled throughout and not limited to endgame bosses only. Did they achieve anything yet? They only made requirements for clearing the endgame content higher, pissing the large portion of the playerbase in the process. And I have no hope for GGG to actually hit the nail on the head, they proved over the years that they have zero fucking idea on how to achieve their design goals with all these contradictory short-sighted decisions. Smoke your "PoE2 will be great" copium all you want, I won't buy any of it.

[@MckaiserDragon]

im glad they finally nerfed things. it feels like the game was becoming for only top lvl of play that just wanted to skip to end game maps. but PoE as a whole game needs to be a challenge and not just end game. i cant wait to see what other changes they make. that being said, plz change acts 6-10, they r boring and repetitive

[@Ikses21]

so why did you die then?

[@axlucaslashlalala]

the truest truth ever, reddit ruins games

[@AlVash2]

Watch quin quit the league in 3 days followed by maximum copium

[@tjokkerstar1462]

Nope he's still going strong. So how about you stay in your lane.

[@jakkrit6910]

they done good but some change is radical and dev agree to that and making change. im fine with that

[@HealerMommy1]

yet 140k players who quit 5 day in say otherwise

[@Lycam]

SHILL69

[@adriancervenka7682]

Commin from Harvest Andy PEPW

[@jojojanaidio4390]

He hates harvest too

[@ordelipyorinen8235]

Alo

[@hakes4454]

Clown LOLW

[@cjwarrington177]

I'm guessing there's a significant overlap between PoE players who are complaining their asses off about this patch and WoW players who complain about that game becoming too casual and noob friendly. Maybe self-identified gamers just whine and complain about everything?

[@darkcloud9053]

Wow is by no means easy, try to Time higher mythics and see how easy it is.

[@QUANT_PAPA]

the not, good luck whit your emty game

[@wacojitsu]

Delusion. The only reason for the nerfs is because ggg doesn't want to make end game. Every 3 months they add in side quest that is for the leveling aspect of the game then they delete it or remove it from the storyline and add it to maps only. Meanwhile they could give us new end game boss every 3 months that is harder and harder each time. This way even the noobs can clear old boss content. And the elite no lifers have a new goal every league rather then just trying to kill maven for the 100th time. Stop making excuses for ggg. They made a game best designed for the end game chase but they refuse to add fresh end game. Instead we get mini games for leveling and nerfs.

[@sobiet3132]

Talking about making the content harder is a good thing after spending years using logout macros... hmmm

[@Lubet0TheGreat]

Love how all the shill streamers are convincing us how better the game is now and how GGG are doing us a favor. They could have fixed to many broken things on the game, broken textures, broken useless loot flood, absolute garbage trading, clicking 10000 times per map, but instead they made the game more annoying. Why when I am playing the game feels like shit now, isn't it supposed to be better.

[@jojojanaidio4390]

PoE 2 will fix everything :)

[@trnovsky33]

Why do you cliking soo much in maps? you can get mov on your click and do not click more you can play CWDT and you can no use only 1 hand. Build tanks build and do not need Flask here you are you need only cca 5 clicks on map, but you are lazy and you used a lot of skills than do not complain. There are few things which you can do but you will never do because you will be slow

[@Lubet0TheGreat]

@@trnovsky33 Your comment just brought me back in time. The condescending tone filled with brainless stupidity. Back in the day when desync was terrible problem in PoE and was one of the reasons why the player was tiny, every time someone mentioned it a fanboy like you came and said: "shut up, get good, desync can't be fixed, it's there to kill people who rush the game". What 5 clicks are you talking about, play one delirium map with expedition mechanic and harbingers, there are 1000 clocks not 5 and this is one map. Also play tank builds that don't need flask and CWDT builds? Are we talking about the same game?

[@jojojanaidio4390]

@@and-jz7cx good choice 👍

[@tiokos4503]

First

[@QUANT_PAPA]

no you type of players kill the game

[@bocanegor7169]

Kekw the guy play SSFHC NO log out is saying that nerfing evening is good? Lmao do you even know the conception of having fun?

[@JayTheProduct]

I really disagree with you on this, I know your stream persona is just that a character and you play zdps builds as part of it for a meme but POE at this point is renowned for its zoom zoom playstyle and its fun... theres plenty of other ARPGs out there that offer slower more methodical playstyle and the shrinking playerbase along with the uproar from this league clearly show thats not what people want out of PoE. Chris may have a vision for the game, but maybe its time he accepted that it sucks.

[@S3frog]

I think PoE is good in spite of its zoom zoom playstyle. Bear in mind that any radical change in playstyle will invariably lead to fewer people playing simply because we are wired to dislike change, whether good or bad.

[@JayTheProduct]

@@S3frog Thats perfectly reasonable, I for one play PoE because of its zoom zoom playstyle and I have multiple friends who feel the same way.

[@S3frog]

@@JayTheProduct That's perfectly reasonable too!

[@JayTheProduct]

@@S3frog but what isnt reasonable is one portion of the playerbase having their enjoyment of the game taken away because its not part of the devs "vision"

[@S3frog]

@@JayTheProduct The game hasn't changed enough for the enjoyment to be taken away. I believe your reaction is hyperbolic if you cannot enjoy the game anymore. I honestly believe the game is doomed if they don't slow it down.

[@ShinzouSH]

My view with just reading the title of this video. GGG didn't go far enough in nerfing flasks. Remove them entirely. The mechanic as a whole is shit and is unnecessary micromanagement. The only potions/flasks which should exist are healing and mana, on a long CD.

[@HealerMommy1]

then you'd be close to d3 lol not good thing

[@TheSeriousCat]

Going it's the "right" decision is maybe a bit too much. At the end of the day It's not about right or wrong it's about what people enjoy or not. For me if GGG make the decision it's how they want to change the game it's ok, i leave end of story. Being here since Awakening so it's not going to be easy to simply leave but i really don't enjoy the changes we had. Obviously the idiots who go on an insulting spree or harass the devs have no excuses at all. Voicing an opinion nor disagreement doesn't require to treat the others like dog shit... Sometimes streamers tend to forget the fact that not everyone can afford to play 10h a day, earning less skill & knowledge down the road. Balancing a game only by looking at the top X percentile isn't always a good idea. Some changes can make the game not fun for some people, what is perceived as a good change or enjoyable for some can be perceived as bad or horrendous by others. It stays a matter of personal taste. People should simply voice theirs opinions & how the changes felt. GGG make a decision to keep going like this or not, after that people who enjoy the game stay, the others leave. It's that simple.

[@QUANT_PAPA]

trash game RIp of exile look diss dude talk hahaha

[@QUANT_PAPA]

noobs tink quin69 always right, thats why the watch him bc the never self come far in endgame, imagn liking diss changes all noobs borring players