What you need to know about gearing in 10.1!

[@postaldave]

Calling them Sniffens would be a little on the nose…

[@Loomx5]

Honestly the crest system is far simpler than it seems. I watched half a dozen videos about it before the patch came out and couldn't get my head around it. But after playing the patch, its very intuitive and blizzard did a good job adding NPCs and Quests in that directly explain it to you! Which is something that they should always be doing for game systems. Theres probably kinks to work out, but it seems like just a better way of doing what their aims were with titanforging/AP. It gives you constant rewards and goals from any level of content, and reasons to play with friends at a lower difficulty level!

[@johnwarner4178]

Yeah it’s simpler in action, but still I don’t like that some gear requires some crests and there are 4 level ranges

[@Schilani]

@@johnwarner4178 I honestly like the level ranges more. Although the champion to hero range is weird, with hero only going up 4 itemlevels over champion. But at least this way you aren't just pumping out +2s to get your BiS stuff and valor. I really disliked it that that was pretty much the optimal way to farm gear, instead of doing appropriate keys like +17s.

[@Gats_B]

Over explaining is the problem.

[@johnwarner4178]

@@Gats_B the fact that the system CAN be overexplaind is a problem. Earn valor, upgrade stuff was simple. All they had to do was make higher content give more valor and higher upgrades cost more. The valor problem was it was efficient for people to spam +2 keys because they gave the same valor as a 20

[@Gats_B]

​@@johnwarner4178 Anything can sound complicated if you repeat the same statement 4 times with a different set of words. It's far simpler than Dratnos is saying if you are not a 1% player. The information could have been delivered in a better fashion if they had prepared anything to keep the message concise.

[@toffe5273]

The drogbar rocks trinket is stupid strong for melee users as well so a good pick up to get - and super easy to get from the treasure chest at the glimmerrock racing

[@Healinda]

Stupid question, are you forced to do lower keys to get the crests? Like do i need to do several 11-16 keys each week? If you are a only m+ kinda guy

[@Qnq9Q]

You should be able to downgrade your 16+ crests to 11+ crests @ a vendor in Loamm. He is near where you accept the weekly quest.

[@yacidra9165]

there is a vendor to lower your crests so no you are not forced to do lower dungeons

[@earthane]

@@yacidra9165 wouldnt that mess with your weekly acquisition of crests though? Say you only run 16+ keys and get your 10 aspect crests, and have 0 wyrm crests, you then turn in 10 of your aspect crests for wyrm crest (the downgrade system) to reach the wyrm crest cap of the week. Arn't you then also capped on aspect crests already? since you have already acquired 10 during that week.

[@miscast8180]

This is what boggles my mind as well. I get that I can downgrade the crests but if I don´t want to farm lower keys and only use the higher crests for everything I effectively have half of the crests I could have. That seems rather backwards. Wasn´t the whole point with this new system that they didn´t want people farming +2 keys (or +11 keys in this case) for valor?

[@ibanpinoys]

Seems like we will need to do 10 keys of level 11-16 and 10 keys of level 17+, which honestly sucks in my opinion.

[@GrandAdmThrawn]

Flightstones, Whelplings Shadowflame Crests, Drake’s Shadowflame Crests, Wyrm’s Shadowflame Crests, Aspect’s Shadowflame Crests, Lesser Crests of Honor, Crests of Honor, Greater Crests of Honor, Lesser Trophy of Conquest, Trophy of Conquest, Greator Trophy of Conquest, Spark of the Shadowflame, Splintered Spark of Shadowflame…

[@raharbour388]

All this shit is needlessly complicated. Cant they just introduce one currency and stick to it for all the expansions? I bet they are able to think through it.

[@cc66bb44]

any word on if we are keeping our pvp honor points i know conquest will be gone.

[@ibanpinoys]

Is it possible to create a crafted gear piece with an enchanted wyrm crest first and then later recrafte it with an enchanted aspects crest to max level? Or do I need another spark to upgrade it from wyrm to aspects level?

[@Zapgg]

Dont need another spark, just the crest to upgrade it (hence having used wyrm + aspect instead of only aspect)

[@michiganhughes]

Yes

[@jace4817]

IF I'm 100% sure that I will craft a 1H weapon, as a dual wielder for example, or a Shield as a prot Paladin. What is the reason to not craft a 424, then upgrade it first M+ week to 447? I guess it saves me a few k in gold, but is that the only reason?

[@Tensooni]

you spend less materials to upgrade after you already have something at higher ilvl. No reason to not craft if you know you'll use it other than flexibility and potentially being able to get more power with a different craft... but holding out on upgrading will save you leapstones and maybe some other stuff.

[@jace4817]

I'm not sure, but I dont think you use flightstones from spark crafts? So, basically crafting the item on 424 removes the flexibility but you gain a potential big grain directly.

[@Schilani]

Yeah not crafting the 424 version basically only saves you the recrafting cost, nothing else. And recrafting is cheap enough for most things, compared to the full craft. But if you had a crafted weapon beforehand at 418 it got automatically upgraded to 421, so it really doesn't add much in that case. It just depends on what you have now. And these two mostly talk about situations with high level loot, so they expect 415 at least.

[@royalrepublican3480]

cool, so 99% of players it doesnt matter

[@xanathos12]

Dratnose n(intentional) not getting jebaited on the intros!

[@trevorwoodall4344]

definitely sniffin

[@MUTV2]

when tettles calls me dogshit @14:21

[@zeil2ify]

Dratnos: Explains everything Tettles: Spams the word "correct"

[@pangerlenis6831]

Idk what the heck is going on. Why so complicated, i don't get it.

[@Loomx5]

It's not as complicated as it sounds when people have all these graphs and tables showing all this shit off. You get flightstones for doing anything, and they're a universal currency you spend to upgrade gear. Then as you progress to doing harder bands of content, you get a different currency (Crests) specific to that difficult level which lets you upgrade gear further. If you have a higher ilvl piece of gear on any character, you don't need to spend crests to upgrade a piece of gear to that slot, and spend half as many flightstones. It's way more intuitive than these constant videos make it sound honestly.

[@darthenx2585]

@Loomx5 the fact that most of us are here watching this video to learn how this system works, tells me it's not intuitive. Like how can we farm more of specific crests? Why doesn't the specific crest have an ilvl range on it? How do we get enchanted crests? Or sparks? Why do we need sparks? If we already have crests. They should of just kept the system we had but got rid of the spark requirement.

[@Loomx5]

@Darthen X What do you mean farm specific crests? Crest/Fragmentss are rewarded for doing content at a difficulty level. Play the game more at the level you play it at, and you are rewarded with more of the crests you want. If you no longer need them because you're maxed out, you either have to start doing a higher difficulty or just be happy you've maxed your character for how you play. The crests ilvl range is shown when you take your gear to the upgrade vendor, showing you what you need to upgrade that item further. Crafting/sparks are admittedly more complicated, but that's more of how Crafting is unintuitive than the new upgrade system.

[@kjellannn]

Atm it looks overly engineered.

[@DodoJo]

I dislike the system so much I just quit. Feels too fomo for me. Reading one guide how to optimize your weekly routine was harder than my cs courses.

[@dylanpayne2381]

Sounds like you don't like MMO's then buddy

[@DodoJo]

@@dylanpayne2381 The state that retail is in now, is actually only for losers imo. Cant imagine how a successful human being plays this game.

[@dylanpayne2381]

@@DodoJo Are you really crying about how another person enjoys a video game that you don't like? Talk about not being a successful human...

[@DodoJo]

@@dylanpayne2381 I just realised that wow Players, who don't make money with it, are losers(including my former self).

[@helgardh6667]

ketchup system

[@wow6720]

The youtuber face lmao

[@shaunybonny688]

If this many videos need to be made about a system, then it’s too complicated and annoying. Not that long ago blizzard was dumping on wotlk badges, there being so many different ones, etc. this seems very similar to me, how many different badges are there?

[@hotpotato3311]

I was thinking maybe I should resub to get my seasonal KSM again but this system just made me completely halt that idea. What the hell am i looking at? Just let me drop an item and upgrade it in-line with my highest key. DONE. This is embrassing to watch.

[@Schilani]

That can truely only come from somebody that isn't taking part in this system. Because if you just use the system it's very easy to understand and follow. Also it gets rid of this degenerate farming style of constantly doing +2s to get your BiS items.

[@hotpotato3311]

@@Schilani Solution to farming BIS items in low keys is not this. Solution would be adding deterministic progress to your gearing. I know crafting contributes to that but that 1. Only helps a little, 2. Requires gold farming or mat farming, which nobody has the time to do so. Also, it seems this system requires you to drop a specific item multiple times if the initial drop is from a low level key. That is just disrespectful.

[@_A_R_V_A_N_D_O_R_]

time for wow 2! this garbage must end!

[@zachemorgan]

the fact there is no skip to 10.1 quests is kinda ridiculous im stuck needing to get 13 renown and shit still. this has been one of the only bad parts of the xpac so far.

[@FoliumSakura]

you just have to do 10.0.7's quests to unlock 10.1's quest, no renown needed. If you've done it once already, then all your alts can skip it with red text skip options

[@SparTadepT]

My renown is 3-2-1-1, why would you need 13 renown.

[@TheCherrypoppin]

You don’t need renown just 10.0.7 quest line done

[@Freestyle80]

waaaa i wanna do nothing and get all the rewards waaaaa

[@mebrandonb]

Oh god why can't they do anything without it being a jumbled system.

[@maidenlesstarnished8816]

It’s not that bad. It basically sums up to there’s gear that upgrades and there’s a few different ranges of item levels of that gear. Then there’s 3 types of upgrade tokens, one is lower level, one is mid level, one is high level.

[@hotpotato3311]

@@maidenlesstarnished8816 What issue exactly does this solve? Why is this being introduced? This system is more complicated than the previous one and it is absolutely worse in the sense that you need to drop your BIS from upper tier/s multiple times.

[@maidenlesstarnished8816]

@@hotpotato3311 all I said was it’s not very complicated

[@Schilani]

@@hotpotato3311 How much fun did you have to run +2 keys the whole season to get your BiS items? It's not challenging or anything, you just need to find a key and mindlessly run through it. But that is only worth it if you have the valor sitting around anyway, which with a weapon... good luck on that. Now with this system you can fully upgrade 2-4 items dropped from a +17 dungeon every week. Starting from week one, no matter if it's a weapon or a bracer. Try to do that with valor. Also in which way do you need to drop your BiS multiple times? You only need it to drop from a +17. But even if it drops from a +9-16 first, Champion itemlevel gets upgraded to 437. Hero to 441. These 4 levels really are a non-issue, unless you are a RWF raider.

[@hotpotato3311]

@@Schilani I never did that. I am someone that just gets KSM and calls it a day. But I hate all the random gearing stuff. To me its absolutely disgusting. I enjoy the ride but gearing is the rocks on the road that makes the car shake and jump. As someone that doesnt have a guild or team, I get the KSM the slow way. While doing that getting a random BIS was one of those oh yeah moments and now that is gone. Overall I simply don't see how this benefits people like me. In fact, it just made my low keys pretty meaningless and that is big 'cuz I can only slowly increase my rating. Meaning I spend some decent time there.

[@jvlowlife101]

I personally find this system over complicated for no purpose whatsoever. The new zone is a literal reskin of the island added in the last patch, just with added complication to gearing. I lost interest after a day of playing and haven’t been on since.

[@gwilly4744]

It’s called busy work. This is the weakest content patch I’ve ever seen. They gave us mini-games, 6 or so new currency systems, and another lost race of animal hybrid humanoids. It’s not really impressive when you think about it. Given we are in the underground lab of one of WoWs biggest villains… this is what we get? Mole people? This is the terrible monster works hiding a possible world destroying power?

[@Loomx5]

Are you dense? Or is this the only content patch you've played? 10.1 adds a new zone, half a dozen new minigames, mounts, pets, a new raid, a new set of M+ dungeons, and new gear upgrade system that enourages play across all difficulties, as well as a variety of smaller quests out and about. It's easily the largest individual patch since 8.2, which came with a billion more currency systems than .1 does. Also WRT the story... the Niffen aren't the terrible monster, be serious. Deathwing locks his shit inside Aberrus. Thats very explicit in the story content. The Primalists and Djaradin, as well as the Sundered Flame are breaking their way in to unlock whatever the world destroying power is. The Niffen have just been vibing in a sealed away underground cave. Just salty at nothing fr.

[@jvlowlife101]

@@Loomx5 Salty? It’s a game, there’s not one single thing to be salty over because….well it’s a GAME! I’m curious if you’re on drugs? Or just a blizzard lap dog who enjoys attacking the opinions of strangers on the internet? If you enjoy the patch, cool. I don’t and plenty of others don’t either, but does that have any bearing on you? Absolutely not. Get a life and try to argue your points without insults. I somehow doubt that’s possible for you but we got to start somewhere, right?

[@hotpotato3311]

@@Loomx5 Calm your man-tits rofl. There is a limit to how much you can simp for Blizzard. This is embrassing.

[@gwilly4744]

Awesome, going backwards to go forward just a few ilvls, plus a grind to boot. That’s fantastic content! Also glad the mole people tickle you guys, personally I find them insulting. It’s like an idiotic cartoon for babies. This is fun content?

[@skipmcilvaine]

Ugh, these thumbnails! 🤢🤮