Villainpedia: Dagoth Ur

[@Ghostcharm]

hey guys. this was one of my first videos ever on youtube, thanks for checking it out! maybe it is due for a remaster at some point...

[@WelcomeToTheRezvolution]

Ok.

[@YamiOni]

You should pin this comment. ;-)

[@matias-jc3ip]

my favorite villain in the TES and my favorite TES game

[@clearcontentment3695]

Juicy?

[@ltloxa1159]

While I couldn't find anything guaranteed to be wrong, for his backstory you treated some tellings as truth even though there are many contradicting ones which may or may not all be true because we don't know wheter a dragon break occured, which honestly it most likely did. You also kinda missrepresented the devine diseace, but it was only tangentially relevant. As to him "ignoring" the prophecies, he would know that Azura would bring Nerevar back, but he could very well, and even truthfully when you think about it, assume that the nerevarine is only fullfilling them so that people will know that they are them. He seemingly sees the Nerevarine as "Nerevar lost his memory" more than a pawn forfilling a prophecy.

[@Entropy3ko]

"Was he god,? Did he want to build a god? Was he crazy, was he enlightened?" All of it.

[@abogmus8904]

enblightened

[@natashazheltova1412]

He's a God. How can you kill a God? What a grand and intoxicating innocence!

[@BabyEater61]

Lay down your weapon, it is not too late for his mercy

[@beahgg]

@@BabyEater61 uh oh oh

[@mort4825]

Come and look upon the Heart

[@Cheyruz]

CHIM: YOUR REALITY IS A GODS DREAM AND NOTHING YOU KNOW IS TRULY REAL The Dwemer: understandable, have a nice day *divides by zero*

[@thewerdna]

I would do that too if I learned that I am the figment of the buggy, expoitable dream of one Todd Howard

[@Cheyruz]

@@thewerdna I mean, I’d immediately try tcl and tgm and just go wild with it

[@Jack-wy4cg]

@@Cheyruz aha but that's the meta narrative of it all. They can't mess with commands only a player in charge of the game can. being alive in a game and understanding its limitations lead them to believe they didn't really have any real choice or freewill everything they though or did was written by a writer and programmed by a dev.

[@Cheyruz]

@@Jack-wy4cg I do love that thought! But I feel like I remember reading somewhere that Bethesda and/or Kirkbride explicitly stated that the Chim, the Dream, the Godhead and all of that aren’t metaphors for the game, the writer, the Gamer and so on... but I don’t remember where I saw that. Do you have any reference on that stuff?

[@Cheyruz]

@@t.k.5844:D haha, I too like this, and I like how it gives the dwemer much more agency over their disappearance. Their image portrayed in the Games is always one of these strange, intelligent, secretive people, that were so advanced and mighty that they rejected praying to gods or daedra and instead just _built their own god_, so I always felt that their fate had to be something they chose for themselves, and it fits so well that once they gained the knowledge that they’re part of a dream of another being, they just opted out of reality instead of subordinating to that. Total mad lads.

[@alicetalley8192]

what a grand and intoxicating video

[@sackfullofrocks4292]

Pretty good

[@MsLarva69]

What a shame sweet Nerevar!

[@ghxstmxdeszn]

This guy is my hero

[@flewprettygood8911]

Well said

[@guiltyconstants]

What a grand and intoxicating comment! haha

[@blueshellincident]

Talking to Dagoth Ur directly makes him seem almost like a delight to speak to, he even actually questions whether or not he can win against Nerevar incarnate. It's an interesting situation.

[@Fourtytwo4242]

It why I think it the best idea/mistake for him to just talk normal, no spooky voice, no echo, nothing not normal. He just a guy talking to a old friend who he lost thousands of years ago, it at this moment nerevarine becomes nerevar. It only you Nerevar who can see this evil monster and even after thousands of years being reborn still hear your best friend, it heart breaking but you know your best friend is to far gone.

[@mud4309]

In all fairness "I'm a good, how can you kill a God? What a grand and intoxicating innocence." doesnt sound all too much like insecurity. Thats part of his charm though I love his confidence, he's just like a Dad laughing at his silly little 3 year old trying to attack him and not taking it seriously Till he realizes the Nerevarine isnt a silly little kid, but is his fucking champion/BFF and even more badass than the original Indoril Nerevar

[@joaogomes9405]

Just like Vivec, he knows the nerevarine possesses the save-scumming abilities of the Chim, so he wonders if he can beat the nerevar when reality is whatever the nerevar wants it to be.

[@deathgobbler4774]

@@Fourtytwo4242 yeah pretty much, cuz Dagoth sees Narevar as a genuinely good guy worthy of being called a hero, unlike the Tribunal who Dagoth had presumably seen backstab the Captain of Dunmer people, which yk, kinda shitty guys. kinda unfair (Dagoth probably wished Narevar to reincarnate to put end to the Tribunal too)

[@CryptP]

I mean he was fully your bestie in a past life so it makes sense

[@CarrowMind]

The fun thing about CHIM is that the player character, i.e. The Nerevarine, also possesses it. CHIM is basically you the player character being able to manipulate reality to your whim by virtue of video game mechanics. Vivec notes this when you talk to him, admitting that any confrontation with you, the player, would be pointless because no matter what he did, you would always win due to the fact that reality is what you want it to be, for example, loading a previous save to try again.

[@EvelynNdenial]

also included are console commands and modding. like Tiber septim basically developed a mod to turn cyrodil temperate.

[@ElimGarakSpoonHead]

It just works

[@hhattonaom9729]

breaking the 4th wall I guess. Also if CHIM isn't jumping across an entire continent in a single bound, I don't know what is.

[@LadySeraphineCC]

I know that's what it means for us but I thought in TES lore it was like achieving godhood or godhood knowledge. Knowledge that mundus is just another Oblivion plane. That all of existence is just part of the dreamsleeve. Idk, I'm very terrible with TES lore. Part of why I love it actually. I can't always retain it therefore I love to learn it over and over again.

[@EvelynNdenial]

@@LadySeraphineCC in an in universe sense, yes, it's realizing the nature of existence is a mental construct and you are just a tiny ephemeral thought in this universal mind, realizing that means there is no real distinction between you and anything else, yet contradictory to that also believing so firmly in your own existence that you don't just lose track of your place in existence and zero sum, deleting your self from history. but in a meta sense it's realizing that universal mind is the computer running the game.

[@goldjaw]

Someone should remake this entire video script in the AI Dagoth Ur voice.

[@rexnihilum7822]

please somebody make this real

[@rduk5716]

lol they should make it from his point of view so its completely bias too

[@seronymus]

@@rduk5716 put a gigachad Dagoth Ur drawing in the bottom left screen the whole time, "welcome, disgusting lowly outlanders, come and hearken to learn of the legend of my divine majesty..."

[@non-applicable3548]

Can't somebody do this?

[@miserere_mei_deus]

Oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah oh yeah yeah

[@Exore192]

Come and look upon the heart, Upon the heart, Oh!

[@akblueberry104]

Im a god, how can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. I'm god, how can you kill a god? Shame on you sweet nerevar.

[@biggongus]

As I saw Dagothwave lyrics I knew I was in the right place.

[@basedbattledroid3507]

Layyyy down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy. Oh oh.

[@lo-rez]

*Keytar Argonian*

[@2yoyoyo1Unplugged]

@@lo-rez Guitargonian’s solo in Breton Boys’ hit single “Sweetrolls” makes me cream my jeans every time

[@hal900x]

There's so much more to tell. How Dagoth was assigned to be the guardian of the Heart while Nerevan was away. How it's proximity slowly corrupted him to use it, and more. He's a sympathetic figure, a loyal servant who was the only one to know the right path at the start. It's sadly ironic that he became the very villain he sought to prevent, which is why he is a multi-layered villain, like all great villains. It's just one reason Morrowind is the best TES game.

[@ClvrBstrd]

In a tragic irony, he truly did fulfill his duty.

[@Mannnnnnnn]

If your trying to make him doing his duty as a talking point than wouldnt it be even more so with alduin ? he was litteraly made to eat the world and recycle it its quite litteraly the nature of the world in tes and was going to happen sooner or later i dont see how that makes it the best tes game but to each his own dagoth ur was like a thousand times more intresting than alduin tho ill give u that

[@claytonkickflip7595]

@@Mannnnnnnn Morrowind was the best TES game because, like it’s predecessors, it didn’t hold your hand. Oblivion was great too but Skyrim was so dang shallow. Skyrim was a role playing game because you’re playing ALL the roles. It encourages you to just use it all, magic stealth and weapons. In morrowind you had to specialize to stand a chance. In Skyrim you can literally beat any enemy using your least progressed or used skills, no matter the difficulty.

[@malumvelus3369]

Technically Voryen and Dagoth ur are not the same entities. It’s theorized he is basically “anti-chim” making Voryen a new dreamer, while forcing his “dream” into reality.

[@LordMalice6d9]

@@Mannnnnnnn Dagoth Ur was a more layered antagonist than the mundane and one-dimensional Alduin.

[@EShiv42]

after slaughtering Indoril Nerevar, the tribunal removed his feet, so that when he returned he could be from any province, of any race, flayed the skin from his face, so that he could appear as anyone, and pierced him through the chest with the Muatra, allowing his reincarnation to be of either sex.

[@Ghostcharm]

probably the best justification in any elder scrolls game or RPG in general for character creation

[@EShiv42]

@@Ghostcharm great videos btw keep up the good work

[@logan_wolf]

I'm pretty sure Azura was the one in charge of his reincarnation, not the Tribunal.

[@EShiv42]

@@logan_wolf of course she was, but the tribunal knew he would return so they pierced him with the muatra and removed his face and feet to aid in his return because they loved him. also idk where i heard this but i did see somewhere that removing the feet and ankles is like a common dunmeri burial right

[@logan_wolf]

@@EShiv42 I don't remember that bit of lore. Is that from in-game? And if so, where?

[@quatron9561]

Dagoth Ur and Morrowind were something else to behold. The game and writings are astonishing.

[@four-en-tee]

I will say: no matter how dated the gameplay becomes, the lore and writing will always persist.

[@hiranmaydas4921]

Holy cow, the lore in Morrowind was wacky af. Back then, every RPG wanted to copy the style of world-building of Might and Magic and it felt like you were on a cocaine binge. Now, most RPGs these days have generic cookicutter fantasy lore.

[@KingLich451]

@@four-en-tee if only somehow the gameplay alone would be re-made for (at least close to) modern standards, but let the lore stay untouched

[@cabbagemontage6999]

@@hiranmaydas4921 As someone who grew on might and magic - Yes, Morrowind just felt like "OH WOW".

[@R3D4CTED]

more like ASHtononishing

[@TheNightWatcher1385]

My personal head cannon is that achieving Chim means figuring out that they’re just a character in a videogame. Dagoth Ur’s mistake was thinking he was the protagonist.

[@kensley4024]

Vivec basically knows this. He comments on how the player will always win, as reality can be whatever they want it to be. (Saving and reloading to win in battles etc)

[@domino_201]

@@kensley4024 I like to think all the heroes of the Elder Scrolls (at least the last three - the Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch/Sheogorath, and the Last Dragonborn) have achieved CHIM for that reason as well as the ability to use console commands.

[@KonoGufo]

@@kensley4024 This is a myth lol. Vivec has no dialogue alluding to CHIM or to your abilities as a player. The closest he comes to is saying that when he dies in the mortal world, it's the same as sleeping, and when he wants to be alive again he simply chooses to wake up, and he has returned. But even then, that's only bringing himself back to life, Vivec doesn't set the world back too. If you want a character who comments on your abilities as a player, go talk to Sotha Sil in ESO. He has a whole spiel about how "the Prisoner" (the player) can see the loopholes that allow them to defy the logic of reality and tug at its strings to achieve their desires, no matter the limitations life tries to force upon them.

[@blackjoker2345]

@@domino_201 The player characters Do have an in-lore explanation. Player characters are Shezzarine, the reincarnations of shor/lorkhan born to preserve the world(because mundus is essentially Lorkhan's realm of oblivion if we get down to it).

[@vonfaustien3957]

@@blackjoker2345 not all player characters Cyrus was an Avatar of Hoonding and the dragon born in skyrim is debatable in that he could just be an avatar of Akatosh not a combo meal

[@darnchacha1632]

Once Dagoth Ur asked the question. "How can you kill a god?" With the emergence of AI voice software, a character whose voiced dialog couldn't fill more than a brochure now is infinite, Dagoth has become timeless. How can you kill a god indeed, you can't sweet Nerevar

[@ronaldogoncalves5955]

“Dagoth Ur is dead. I hope we will no longer be troubled by his dreams. But I wonder, too, what the ghost of a god would be. And can a dead god dream?”

[@noobtuber10]

They can.

[@Fastwalker27]

Was that vivec ?

[@ronaldogoncalves5955]

@@Fastwalker27 Hassour Zainsubani

[@naughtyhieroglyph669]

I have suspected for a long time that he is not gone. The fact that the ash walkers on solsteim are very much like ash slaves leads me to believe this.

[@ronaldogoncalves5955]

@@naughtyhieroglyph669 Well, Red Mountain kept throwing Its ashes so idk... "Ash Spawn began to appear on Solstheim after the massive eruptions of Red Mountain early in the Fourth Era covered the southern part of the island in ash. Their exact origins are unknown." -Loading Screens (Dragonborn DLC)

[@dongadson1099]

I like the fact that there are multiple ways to become a deity in ES. Chim, Anti-Chim, Bestowed(Sheogorath), artifact manipulation, Daedra pacts, Potion Exploit(LOL).

[@prettycoolguy3206]

In ESO I'm pretty sure you mantle Akatosh for a short time so you can beat up Molag Bal and get your soul back

[@TripleB87]

@@prettycoolguy3206 Meridia, actually.

[@prettycoolguy3206]

@@TripleB87 Huh, I could have sworn it was Akatosh since it's the Amulet of Kings that you use in the ritual, which is a relic of Akatosh. But you might be right, Meridia was far more heavily involved in the story.

[@TripleB87]

@@prettycoolguy3206 well, as it turns out, I'm churning through the story again on another character so when I get to that part again, I'll comment again and say who it was lol

[@prettycoolguy3206]

@@TripleB87 appriciated, I'm kinda curious about it now too

[@artificialfreedom]

The third person who mastered Chim is actually the player. Ya know, being able to save and reload.

[@IYPITWL]

I dont agree. We are each a version of the mc, each player is a timeline. Each person that plays interacts with the same Vivec - thats why he doesnt want to fight back.

[@memine5667]

As I recall this is how they wanted you to believe it. You are the only person in this world who could die and be reborn( save/load). This is because you achieved chim. Meanwhile vivec never truly mastered chim, he only achieved an understanding of it. Otherwise he would be just as, if not more power than dagoth ur.

[@mistermeow527]

I think it's also postulated that the player is a being beyond Chim. That ultimately the player character is at best a vehicle with you the player as some extra planar entity controlling it and Vivec is aware of this. Since even with achieving Chim it's power is largely pointless to a being that can simply "remove itself" from reality and then reinstate it at a different point in time at will (saving and loading the game). It's kind of like from Arx Fatalis where you play as a character in physical form but in task you are some 'cosmic outsider' controlling a meat puppet.

[@mihirlavande]

Modding is canon then.

[@Jack-wy4cg]

@@mihirlavande when you have a world that explores diverging infinite timelines everything is canon

[@JDG602]

I feel like the Dagoth Ur is almost a victim that was slowly corrupted, all the while the Tribunal actively thought out and did evil things to achieve selfish power stolen from Lorkhan no matter the consequences for their people. The Tribunal I feel is more the villain's in this game than Dagoth Ur in a way, not saying Dagoth Ur is not a villain obviously the dude is nuts. If it was not for the Tribunal a lot of terrible things would have not have happened that was brought on by their selfishness and even betrayed their "friend" and King, Indoril Nerevar. If they destroyed the tools when they originally had the chance the whole Blight Crisis would probably never have happened. Very interesting story the best in the series hands down. Amazing video great for new and veteran Morrowind fans I will be liking and subscribing. Thanks!

[@Ghostcharm]

Agreed and well said. I was thinking the tribunal should be their own villainpedia entry, but to be honest - each of the 3 deserve their own video. One day... thanks for watching man

[@LordMortanius]

@@Ghostcharm Fun fact: Mannimarco actively holds the Tribunal in contempt. In an interview with the divine Mannimarco, he calls them the 'Three Thieves'.

[@CryptP]

The tribunal didn't use the tools for quite a good while *after* Nerevar's death, both out of respect for his dying wishes and also because Sil needed the time to do his research. Ur was corrupted like as soon as he started playing with the tools, before Nerevar died. The only "consequence" their people faced was a reskin because Azura was pissed off at them for it. The Tribunal do this because they believe they can probably be better and fairer rulers to their people than the Daedra, and honestly who's to say they're wrong.

[@CryptP]

Their betrayal of Nerevar's wishes was ultimately down to a difference of belief. Nerevar was a devout follower of Azura, while the Tribunal weren't particularly religious and didn't see the point in keeping a promise to her.

[@CryptP]

If they destroyed the tools when they had the chance, then the task of taking Dagoth Ur down would be entirely up to the Daedra. The Daedra are pretty well known for not giving a shit about Nirn like 90% of the time, so it's fair to say they may not have stopped him. While the Tribunal had a vested interest in it.

[@ProtoMario]

It is not too late for mercy...

[@alwest4472]

‘Grunt’

[@henrycrabs3497]

SILENCE VERIFIED

[@Zharrgrim]

Not too late to save your failing channel

[@henrycrabs3497]

@@Zharrgrim yes it is lmao

[@Serjo777]

@@Zharrgrim Wth happened there? Why is nobody watching him anymore? xD

[@YourPalKindred]

KZbin has been hitting it out of the park with these small channel recommendations

[@Ghostcharm]

thanks dude, and thanks youtube

[@yewtewbstew547]

Yeah I've been seeing lots of channels like this in my recommended videos lately too.

[@nukecorruption]

yeah it's nice, seen a lot today in recommendations, like this one

[@AveryBlueRemix]

“Kill all Argonians, Judo throw Argonians into a wood chipper.”

[@onecoolart]

Launch Argonians into the sun.

[@slumpku2777]

"Karate chop Argonians in half".

[@IronMadden]

@@slumpku2777 "Slam dunk an Argonian baby into a trash can."

[@microant47]

Report Argonians to the Tribunal.

[@OtherDalfite]

Come nerevar, friend or traitor come, come and look upon the- oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know you were an argonian.

[@MagicSpud]

I've always loved Dagoth Ur. Very charismatic and initially a gracious host to you, his enemy, making some begin to doubt whether or not he really is insane in the first place. Not to mention he is willing to coherently explain and advocate his position if you press him on it. It's perhaps impossible to find a villain these days who you can actually interview and ideologically spar with beyond stereotypical Hollywood tropes. To me this makes Dagoth Ur unique and timeless as an antagonist, just like he himself is in the Elder Scrolls universe. Oh and also his voice acting is dope.

[@Ghostcharm]

Well said man

[@bocchithean-cap3404]

Funny enough people didn't like the voice acting when it first came out Then young scrolls published dagothwave

[@ethanwood5700]

I think Doom fits into the same category as well. Like Dr Doom just my opinion

[@ponivi]

Fallout 1, fallout nv, morrowind. I can only think of three games where you can have an ideological conversation with the big bad. This should be a more common trope

[@tbhUSuckOo]

@@bocchithean-cap3404 thas just bullshit. Dagoth was always popular way before some dude made a memesong

[@justhwsky]

The elves are big mad about the countless new gods coming out of this corner of tamriel

[@TheBayzent]

All of them coming from Lorkhan no less.

[@joshjames582]

@@TheBayzent "He can't keep getting away with it!" the Thalmor, probably

[@chadchadlinton4212]

It is also important to note that he appears in the Joe Rogan Podcast several times.

[@crying2emoji5]

This is a very funny and underrated comment lol

[@TheGSone]

I'm not opposed to an hour long video covering every detail about Dagoth Ur

[@VardrunCRidleyKnight]

Don’t get me wrong, this is a great video. But when he said going into Dagoth Ur’s full story would take at least a half hour, I felt like Obi-wan. “That’s… why I’m here.”

[@ns0557212]

"But how could you kill a God? *Chuckles* "What a grand and intoxicating innocence" -Dagoth Wave 6th House Unmourned Records

[@jeremiahwright4450]

11 minutes and 47 seconds to say 'Dagoth Ur becomes red pilled and attempts a crusade to remove the false gods of the tribunal and to drive the Mongol lizards of th-I mean dogs of the empire out of his home and save his people as a true god." The first step being to draw amusing stick man wojaks of the empire and post them on the internet.

[@HAZNAUT]

Dagoth is a fluid character like the protagonist really.. No solid lore, all subjective

[@Broomer52]

Crazy thing is that the canon explanation for all the different outcomes and story beats in these games is because when the Dwarves made that crazy robot that deleted them from the universe it broke Time and Space. Every now and then Reality cracks and timelines split in every direction, eventually these cracks known as Dragon Breaks fix themselves and the universe randomly takes elements from the different timelines and puts them into a single timeline. This sometimes leads to inconsistencies as some things are just gone, some people are gone, people who didn’t exist before are there and everyone has different accounts of history. Whenever the Timeline gets fuzzy and conflicting it’s usually because a Dragon Break happened and now everything is jumbled up. I say this to mean that it’s possible for someone like Dagoth-Ur to return, just because. Not that I think that’ll happen but it’s an interesting thought.

[@NoConsequenc3]

@@Broomer52 he hints that he can do this, in fact he outright says that death for him is like sleeping.

[@pl3459]

Something I love so much about Dagoth Ur is that he's such a lovely and charming fellow, not an overtly try hard insane and unhinged maniac that is doing everything they can to look evil. Dagoth is so unique in how pleasant he is. I heard the main director of the Elder Scrolls games Todd something didn't like Dagoth or his voice actor, shows what bad taste he has. /:

[@TheGamingBDGR]

As with many game studios Todd Howard is the worst part of the entire studio and truly holding it back. He's also the co-founder if I remember right.

[@IAmGameAddicted]

Todd is also known to play a barbarian character ( just left clicking enemies till they die with an axe or sword ) and also he has wanted the games to be linear since morrowind, so something about his tastes in games doesnt mesh, and skyrim wasnt nearly as deep and rich as morrowind and you can probably wonder if todd had something to do with make the game so so simplistic compared to morrowind

[@kitsunekaze93]

i miss actually having stats, it was a mistake to "dumb it down" by removing them in skyrim

[@ModernImmortal]

The "It Just Works" clown Todd Howard.

[@billyf9476]

dam villainpedia is a great idea, cant wait for the next installation

[@Ghostcharm]

Thanks billy

[@EpicPrawn]

Minor correction: The Tribunal were not known as "The Tribunal" until AFTER the war of the first council and their ascension to godhood. So while retrospectively Nerevar's advisors would later become known as Almsivi (the Tribunal), at the time of the war the Three were just mortal generals and advisors to the great Hortator, Indoril Nerevar. For newcomers to TES lore, "Hortator" was a Chimer title that meant both "Uniter" and "Inciter" as Nerevar got the Chimer Great Houses and even the Nomadic Ashlanders to all stop bickering long enough to drive out the Nord invaders, as well as combat the traitors of House Dwemer and (allegedly) House Dagoth. Nerevar would be the only one to hold this title until the Nerevarine Prophecies were fulfilled during the events of TES III: Morrowind.

[@vapingfury4460]

all other youtube channels just show footage of the landscapes of skyrim or morrowind or whatever but you actually make it easy to digest by making visuals that connect with what your saying

[@Ghostcharm]

Thanks a lot dude, it takes a lot longer to do it that way but I think it makes a much easier video to watch. Appreciate the comment and view buddy.

[@ThatGuy-eu2vt]

@@pseudonymos_ fudge muppet should just be called muppet, they suck so much its not even funny.

[@douggaudiosi14]

He showed the characters that he was talking about and gave visual examples of these heady concepts the best anyone else would done. What do u suggest he do

[@vapingfury4460]

@@douggaudiosi14 It's not a critique, I'm praising him for going beyond the standard that most elder scrolls lore channels do

[@meepgeek9]

POV: you're here because you've never played Morrowind and Dagoth Ur AI voice memes have been appearing everywhere.

[@abemartinez9623]

Not me babe here since 2001!

[@ThePoint.]

Nah man started playing morrowind before the memes

[@trucid2]

Played Morrowind when it came out in 2001.

[@abemartinez9623]

@@trucid2 everyone laughed at me saying it’s too hard an it sucks

[@trucid2]

@@abemartinez9623 Only hard in the beginning when you miss an attack against a mudcrab 10 times in a row.

[@AphitethLordOfLight]

The moment Voryn Dagoth opted to have the tools destroyed, he set himself apart from the rest. After the other three use the tools, Voryn Dagoth is justified in his actions taken to become Dagoth UR and release the fury of Red Mountain and all the dead trapped within. *the blight*

[@kylemorin7125]

Honestly, what makes Dagoth Ur a good antagonist is the fact that you can’t just explain who he is, what he’s doing, and why all in one short video. And I really appreciate how you mention that there’s a deeper understanding to him beyond what youve mentioned in this video. And trust me, you’ve mentioned a lot more than some people bother to touch on, you even briefly talked about CHIM and the Tribunals betrayal. For a short video on the subject, you hit all the points you needed and more in a clear and interesting way; you made someone like me who already knows it want to learn more about the wackier side of Elder Scrolls. You’ll no doubt pique the interest of someone who doesn’t know and end up making a new deep lore fan of the Elder Scrolls, and that’s no easy feat. Good job mate, I’ll be sure to share your videos as much as I can to get you the subscribers you deserve.

[@Ghostcharm]

Thanks so much for this comment, it means a lot to me truly. Thank you for watching and sharing - I hope to see you in future comment sections!!

[@Mustlord_Guitar_Ambient]

2:30 Beautiful concept art, wow. Edit: The whole video is beautifully presented - even small details like how you lined up that crossfade at 5:25 so that the contours of the statue segue into the waterfall. Nice work.

[@Ghostcharm]

thank you for watching and the kind words. I really enjoy editing and every video I learn so much more about it. As for the art at 2:30 you can find more of it - including sketches and text from the original artist here: www.behance.net/gallery/22649949/The-Elder-Scrolls-Dwemer

[@Mustlord_Guitar_Ambient]

@@Ghostcharm This artist is a genius!

[@NinjaBusCow]

I just love hearing different people talk about the Morrowind Lore.

[@hulax9858]

Dagoth Ur's grand plan is actually terrifying, he is by far the most threatening villain in the eldercrolls, enslaving tamriel and creating a fleshy hivemind seems like a much worse fate than the entire world getting reset

[@SobeCrunkMonster]

i thought he would want to eradicate the foreigners, not join them into the corprus army

[@hulax9858]

@@SobeCrunkMonster That was the first part of his plan, free Morrowind from Foreigners, the Empire and the Tribunal. And he would give corpus to everyone since in his twisted mind, it's a gift. After this he would then take back parts of Black Marsh and Skyrim that the dark elves once had. After all this he would use the Akulakhan to take over all of Tamriel to spread his influence as he believes everyone deserves to be enlightened, quite the charitable character.

[@logan_wolf]

8:56 He could seemingly "see" through his servants' eyes, but not just the corprus beasts. All servants of the Sixth House, including Sleepers, I believe, acted as a conduit for him to see the outside world.

[@dotapazappy]

I've never even played morrowind (I know) but dagoth somehow manages to stand out and fascinate me even in a series I don't care about. I think that alone should be a testament to his charisma.

[@matinhosmatos]

what a grand and intoxicating villain

[@Zerobasssoul]

How's a n'wah gonna borrow a sweetroll?

[@kakkacarmenelectra7229]

I've played morrowind for no more than 10 minutes, but absolutely love the character of dagoth ur

[@albinopanda2318]

A notable piece about Dagoth Ur's plan is to unite the Dunmer people under one banner, but under his mind, like a hivemind. He justifies this to himself but using the Heart and broadcasting it to those under his control, so when they die, the Heart will bring them back to life, possibly in a new form just as Dagoth Ur did when the Three struck him down. Unlike the Tribunal, he was going to share the Heart's power but that link is through Dagoth Ur, all under his control. Everyone would be immortal, immune to age and disease by the divine disease known as Corprus, but at the cost of your own free will. It was a utopia to him, but without freedom. This is how he differentiated himself from the greedy Tribunal who didn't share their power. He was the first to say destroy the tools, and being around it to guard, assuming by himself, it corrupted his mind and in his confusion of chim, made him "anti chim" (just saying that for reference). He was loyal to Nerevar, probably would've spoke against the poisoning of Nerevar and saved him. But madness has consumed him and the Dunmer people lost a great individual.

[@bigcyc666]

I love how Dagoth Ur just vibin there.

[@TNTspaz]

Whenever I hear Emil talk about how writing doesn't matter. I think about the fact that Morrowinds writing has stood the test of time to such a degree. That many people know who the Naravarine and Dagoth Ur are without having even played the game

[@daximil]

One of my favorite things about Dagoth Ur is that he did want to destroy the tools instead of using them. He became Dagoth Ur out of loyalty to you, so it's important that you approach killing him as an act of mercy and you should hold the realization that it's your fault he became a mad god. Such an amazing way to write a villain.

[@wallamazoo01]

The most confusing and sad thing is that you could not join Dagoth Ur.

[@Sidiciousify]

Yeh i like him

[@joaogomes9405]

The only big reason why you can't join him and help him fulfil his plan is because the consequences would be disastrous and change the whole timeline of the series drastically. If the Nerevarine joined Dagoth Ur, he would finish reviving Akulakhan and conquer all of Tamriel.

[@lovecraftfan2793]

​@@joaogomes9405 It may be hard to agree with, but the fact you can't join him is justified by the plot. It is Azura, a god so to speak (not Aedra, but a powerfull Deadra) revives Nerevar over and over again for the sole purpose - to defeat Dagoth Ur (and to end the power of the Tribunal). Thus, if you want to complete the game (and fullfill your destiny) you HAVE TO fight Dagoth or die trying. There is no other option. No matter who you choose to be and of what race and abillities, that is the only reason you live...

[@ryanrizzo4869]

"I'm a God! How can you kill a God?! Shame on you, sweet Nerevar!"

[@zeebooboo9663]

Villians that make you question of the morality of which you are on are usually the most interesting.

[@phyrr2]

This is why I actually liked Battlespire. It's the only game that lets you glimpse into the politically intricate lives of all different types of Daedra. Once I met Dagoth Ur in MW I was absolutely stoked with the chance to make him spill every bit of dialogue he had. Can you do a vid on Mehrunes Dagon and his underlings? And perhaps the Dremora?

[@docholiday4129]

It’s interesting how Dagoth ur went from an entertaining villain. To a massive meme through the use of text to speech ai

[@_Debu]

"Come nerevar friend or traitor come, come and look upon the- oh I'm sorry I didn't realize you were an Argonian no no it's not a problem I had just expected a dark elf. No it's not because I think they're more capable or anything it's just because you- ...no dude I don't have an issue with reptiles some of my best slaves were Argonian... all right that came out wrong listen what I'm trying to say is that- ...what? I'm sure you come from a very fine swamp... very good with a spear... assuming? I'm not assuming anything that's just what you people do... the 'Royal you' as in- look we got off on the wrong foot together we shall speak for the law and the land and shall Drive the mongrel lizards of the Empire- Dogs! I meant dogs look I'm sorry I just really expected a dunmer. What why? Because you were a dunmer the last eight fucking times I don't know what the hell Azura is playing at making you an Argonian but I assume it's a joke. No I don't think argonians are jokes! Can we just fight? This is making me very uncomfortable is this how you honor the sixth house andthe tribe unmourned?" - Dagoth Ur, 3E 427

[@ShadowBurn2980]

He's always been a fascinating villain. One of the first "sympathetic villains" I had encountered. Love how they made him not evil, while the Tribunal weren't holy themselves.

[@logandore4394]

I’ve been watching Dagoth Ur AI videos for the past couple days and I gotta say I think they’re absolutely wonderful.

[@captain-mcnips7630]

Vivec looks like he’s just stoned out of his mind in Morrowind

[@Retromancer_Rackham]

He also speaks like he took some powerful acid. The lessons of Vivec are evidence of this. 😆

[@Rohnon]

"So who was this guy? Was he trying to build a god? Was he a god? Was he insane? Was he enlightened?" -Yes.

[@austinwilson1765]

From my understanding, Dagoth Ur did not betray the Tribunal or Nerevar, the tribunal smeared Dagoth Ur and plotted to use the tools themselves to become gods after Dagoth's reported experiments. This is why he is so tragic as he was corrupted by the false tribunal as well.

[@bio-weaponn5576]

Imagine the kind of depth it would add to Dagoth Ur's downfall if the Nevevarine was CANONICALLY an Argonian or Khajiit.

[@kitchengun1175]

come nerevar, friend or traitor, and see for yourself he turns himself into a pickle

[@BibtheChib]

An incredibly awesome video. I just wanted to point out one thing: the Dwemer didn't just disappear when Kagrenac activated Numidium, it was Dagoth Ur who took the tools and was inspired by Azura in how to remove the power of immortality the Dwemer has given to themselves from the Heart of Lorkhan, and it was then that the Dunmer watched the Dwemer vanish during their battle with them. Sourced from the scroll 'Nerevar at Red Mountain' in Morrowind.

[@scfno6950]

one thing i find very interesting about him is that he only ever calls you nerevar not the nerevarine, he will never acknowledge your own individuality. Almalexia also does the same thing. Vivec however does not do this. I think it characterizes both of them for how self centered they are, that the only reason you are important is because you are literally their long dead friend and nothing else.

[@timmie2k3]

The best thing about Dagoth Ur is he's ultimately a sympathetic villain. He's objectively no worse than anyone on the Tribunal and still views the Nerevarine as a friend to an extent. I think any good villain needs sympathetic aspects to foster some sort of internal conflict with the protagonist. The story and world of Morrowind is definitely the high point of the Elder Scrolls series for me.

[@noxvi5309]

I've been geting a lot of Dagoth Ur memes lately

[@Infected_Apple]

This has been one of the best shorts explaining dagoth, it feels like it is very accessible for the uninitiated.

[@Ghostcharm]

thanks Apple. that was the goal

[@mightytaco123]

So what ur saying is the elder scroll is the matrix and those who realize have crazy powers like neo.

[@Dan_Kanerva]

yeah , only the very rare people that become "aware" get to awaken crazy powers... is basically like being in a lucid dream.

[@stoogel]

Nerevar, did you know that despite being only 2% of the population, the Altmer own 90% of the banks and ebony mines?

[@compatriot852]

Dagoth Ur isn't a villian, he's just based

[@crimson7925]

Dagoth-ur is the sexiest being in the known universe.

[@SleightSoda]

Given its runtime, this is a good explanation of a very difficult to understand antagonist. Good job.

[@Ghostcharm]

appreciate the kind words

[@michaelshade1702]

What makes it sadder,is that Dagoth was STILL doing what Nerevar wanted,protecting the heart with his life,even when he had to protect it from Nerevar themself,his best friend

[@Xsidon]

morrowind is almost addicting in it's exotic nature. I love this game with all my heart and a proper remaster would be a dream come true

[@kodan7879]

You forgot the ghostfence. It's a pretty important part of the lore, and for the story of morrowind it is invaluable. The Ghostfence was created by the tribunal to basically "lock" Dagoth inside the Red mountain and all his creations with great magical power. There is only a single gate through the ghostfence and it is under control of the tribunal. That's where the story of morrowind kicks in where Dagoth finds a way to spread corpus and thus his influence outside of the Ghostfence

[@KonoGufo]

It's also worth mentioning that the Ghost Fence is named that because it is an ethereal barrier maintained by the spirits of the dead, alongside the power of the Tribunal.

[@bighaverlegend33]

He also apparently hates argonians

[@sundor5401]

fun fact: there is actually a metal album called velothi

[@divaythfyr8643]

About Dagoth Urs plans: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oXfEiKOndrt4arc

[@CertifiedCHUD]

𝘿𝙖𝙜𝙤𝙩𝙝 𝙐𝙧 𝙙𝙞𝙙 𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙬𝙧𝙤𝙣𝙜.

[@Mikito456]

Random theory, what if Lorkhan wasn't just an Aedra, but the "Daedra Prince", of Nirn? His Dremora became the Mer, and by harnessing his physical heart his most powerful followers, "the Aedra", were able to become "Divine".

[@DrumRoody]

He just wants a mc chicken

[@Mordecrox]

What a grand and intoxicating dipping sauce

[@arthurjohnson7473]

2:52 That Ordinator on the top-right wanted to be a Master Wizard of House Telvanni when he was a kid.

[@Voxrar]

I liked Ssethtnetach's short short version of Chim. Which is just an in-game reason why the player can save and load the game. Vivec won't fight the Neravar cause he knows he can just use Chim and find a alternate timeline/dimension where he wins.

[@KonoGufo]

It's a bastardized version of what CHIM actually is, which is more or less a twist of Thelema's ideas about self actualization. Basically, CHIM an enlightenment state where you fully realize your own power as an individual, realize that the reality you perceive is an illusion that obscures its true nature, and then you separate from the unified whole of reality whilst retaining your sense of self, at which point you can impose your Will upon reality externally, freed from its inner trappings. It's similar to certain video game mechanics, yes, but it's based in an actual real life school of thought that has nothing to do with video games and much more to do with personal. That said, you're correct that Vivec allows the player to kill him, but not because he knows he can't fight back; he wants the player, the Hortator, to achieve CHIM by defeating him. He wants Nerevar to overcome him and surpass him as a step in his journey to mastery. If you read Vivec's Sermons, Vivec talks about how he is the "sword" that the Hortator must remove in order to realize their destiny and become a Ruling King in the cosmos.

[@haveaniceday42069]

I just played Skyrim for the first time this year and haven't played any other ES games but I have now seen multiple Dagoth Ur lore videos... This is the power of Dagothwave.

[@almighty1234]

You forgot to talk about all his appearances on the joe rogan podcast.

[@uastyrdzhii]

"No one cared who I was til I put on the mask" Dagoth Ur

[@TheGamingCathedral]

""Dagoth Ur himself is mad. He is dead, but he dreams he lives." You just don't get writing like this in Elder Scrolls anymore...

[@Severin1111]

I still remember finishing Morrowind for the first time. Back then I was just a kid and didn't optimize in the slightest. Dagoth or was this extremely fast monster that I couldn't hurt and was way to fast to outrun...also he killed me in one to two hits. So...I had to devise a tactic: When he ran up to kill me, leaving the heart unguarded...I...jumped, levitated and headed right for the heart. I heard him coming closer I hit the heart in wild panic. Nearly finished, he had closed the distance and hit my...through a miracle of the dice I survived that one hit and delivered the final blow to the heart. No final boss could ever replicate my triumph as a child over an unbeatable god to this day.

[@trikstari7687]

Dagoth Ur isn't a villain, he's a God. What grand and intoxicating misinformation...

[@BasedPost]

How can you describe a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence

[@Dodsodalo]

You should upload a alt version of this video voiced by Dagoth Ur.

[@danielclawson139]

Dagoth Ur is every burner that takes DMT but hasn't actually studied esoteric philosophy with any care.

[@jonathancarpenter2336]

The Dwemer couldnt have zero-summed. To zero-sum means your being is erased from existence, ALL of existence. Basically, if anyone zero-summed, nobody would know, because they never would have existed in the first place.

[@KonoGufo]

You don't entirely disappear. The primary text that mentions zero-summing (et'Ada, Eight Aedra, Eat the Dreamer) records it as being an account of an unidentified Moth Priest who was disappearing. So it's less that you never exited and nobody knows of you and more that the details of your existence become too fuzzy to read clearly, beyond the broad strokes, like "was a Moth Priest".

[@jonathancarpenter2336]

@@KonoGufo if thats the case then how come people are able to remember specific names of dwemer and their ruined cities, as well as accounts of deeds done by dwemer? Would most of that not be lost?

[@KonoGufo]

@@jonathancarpenter2336 Because you're right on your first claim: the Dwemer didn't actually zero-sum. They became the "skin" of the Numidium. Their entire race was shattered into energy and soul-trapped onto the Brass God as its power source. "Skeleton Man's Interview with Denizens of Tamriel" is a piece of promotional material written by Morrowind's devs that heavily alludes to this. Keening and Sunder are described by Vivec's documents in Morrowind to shatter energy and imprint that energy onto things, which is how the Tribunal attained their godhood. In Skyrim, Arniel Gane uses Keening improperly, shatters himself, and becomes bound to the Dragonborn as a shade. The same thing more or less happened to the Dwemer, where they became bound to their God as its divine center.

[@MRSAUltraviolet]

"He was giving a new physical form, along with his homies" I lol'd so hard. 😄

[@husermitchell]

I actually believe the story that Dagoth Ur had good intentions in the beginning and that the betrayal of Nerevar by the council drove him to use the tools in order to fight them, then of course he was corrupted by the power of them and his own hatred and feeling of betrayal.

[@diamantis9436]

"I'm a god, how can you kill a god?" Kratos: yes

[@Nsinger998]

7:08 - The Dwemer are said to 'refute' deities and many other things but perhaps the heart awakened the Dwemer to truths they could not refute and couldn't reconcile with their world view. Unable to block out knowledge of CHIM and unable to reconcile CHIM with their beliefs, They failed the test and Zero-Summed out of existence; or as some suggest, They Zero-Summed and were reformed later in time or achieved amaranth and became part of a new universe set in a future time.

[@bruhistantv9806]

There's the concept of "mantling" which is really weird and is basically "haha stole your entire existence you're literally me now" Kagrenac might have accidentally mantled the entire Dwemer race to Lorkhan's heart. And because the Dwemer are a lot of people, and if I remember have telepathic abilities completely naturally, it could be that the Heart itself managed to mantle Voryn, effectively making him LITERALLY an extension of Kagrenac. Hence why he went from the most rabid "destroy the heart and all associated artefacts" proponent to "ayy let's do the exact same thing Kagrenac tried" It also makes the Nerevarine quite possibly the most genocidal person in the history of TES because by destroying the heart he exterminated the Dwemer race if the above is true.

[@angelobarros3499]

Wild speculation there bucko, must've come straight from r/teslore

[@KonoGufo]

If you want my opinion, that's close. Apply what you're saying about the Heart of Lorkhan to the Numidium and I think you'd be more on track. The were bound to the Brass Tower and became the skin of the god they created.

[@bruhistantv9806]

@@angelobarros3499 "I actually made it up but it can work"

[@_danvasco]

Morrowind antagonist: 11 minutes The great M’aiq The Liar: >1hr

[@nerevar4286]

Hey, that was a nice video over here. Of course I'll criticize a little bit, because I'm someone that is using the Internet dammit, but let me tell you that I REALLY like the concept. Villainpedia is an emission with so much potential in itself, and so you are, because you're frankly at ease in the way you speak or explain things. I think you have to focus more on the villain though, his personality, and the theories you have made by yourself on his goals and place in the world of Morrowind and the universe of the Elder Scrolls. Of course it'll be maybe a little bit more complicated to dig deeper compared to the lore while, at the same time, avoiding non-hardcore fans to abandon the idea of understanding what you're talking about. But this is worth it, I really liked the video and the project behind it. Oh, and last but not least : the Heart has not been destroyed, that's impossible. Lorkhan is Mundus, and Mundus is Lorkhan, the Heart is the very essence of his former deity power and this soul of the Dead God lives, ironically, throughout the whole world. Kagrenac tied up the Heart with enchantments and the Nerevarine was able to free it from its bounds, not to destroy it. Thanks for reading my weird English, hi from France and keep up the good work, you'll do something on KZbin with this concept !

[@Ghostcharm]

Thanks a lot for your words my friend I appreciate it. I’m no expert on the lore, so knew someone who was would come along eventually :). Everything you’ve said has been taken to heart, thank you so much for watching and caring !

[@mando_dablord2646]

For what Dagoth Ur is, as a brief villian in a game. I can't help but feel connected to him with realizing the full scope of CHIM. He's both a friend, companion, and guide for the entire Elder Scrolls series for me. Even if he's dead back in Morrowind. I wonder if there's a way to explain exploiting the game enough to get a kill shot on him without destroying the heart of Lorkhan

[@fulsame1]

CHIM. You've found attained knowledge of the dream and have used this knowledge to attain godly power. This is why the belief that the nervarine achieves CHIM is so prevalent. They are the most powerful of any elder scrolls playable character because you can do so much to "break" the game

[@drdankalank]

Omnipotent, Omniscient, Sovereign, Immutable. Great video my dude! Excellent quality you got a new sub. :)

[@Ghostcharm]

welcome aboard buddy

[@icecreamassassin3006]

Gotta do Mannimarco, especially as a followup to this because he DOES achieve godhood through apotheosis.

[@FlavorsomeMusic]

he also drops sick beats with his argonian friend wielding a keytar

[@THERAYCALIBER]

KZbin recommendations know what my feed is