Dagoth Ur EXPLAINED - The False Dreamer, the Sharmat - Elder Scrolls Lore

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In our latest Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim video we delve into the Sharmat, Dagoth Ur.
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series, following The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, and was released worldwide for Microsoft Windows, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 on November 11, 2011.
The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim. Over the course of the game, the player completes quests and develops the character by improving skills. The game continues the open world tradition of its predecessors by allowing the player to travel anywhere in the game world at any time, and to ignore or postpone the main storyline indefinitely.
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[@Fargoth_Ur]

>not using his smooth, elegant, original voice *SHAAAAAAAME*

[@kohelet2446]

Probably copyright reasons

[@cornbreadloverrr]

That's what I was hoping to hear :^(

[@antoniodiavolo]

What’s kinda cool is the unused Vivec voice sounds sorta unsettling and scary while Dagoth’s original voice was very smooth and elegant.

[@cornbreadloverrr]

@@antoniodiavolo Yeah lol

[@joshblack3626]

Its a symbol of his corruption bub.

[@OuterRimPride]

Use the original voice, it is not too late for my mercy.

[@ProfessionalRtard]

Oh! Oh! Oh!

[@ajinkyatarodekar9099]

What a fool, sweet Neravar.

[@Blank587]

Come, friend or traitor come.

[@Le_Petomane]

This is the end, the bitter, bitter end. My only friend the end?

[@DaBoomz13]

Copyright?

[@celairgilfaenmirion]

Sotha Sil: Betrayed Nerevar. Vivec: Betrayed Nerevar and the people of Morrowind. Almalexia: Betrayed Nerevar, Sotha Sil, and the people of Morrowind. Dagoth Ur: Stayed loyal to Nerevar to the end and tried to free Morrowind from the Empire and the three mad Chimer "gods". #DagothUrDidNothingWrong

[@martvinegar3431]

Sotha Sil only betrayed Nerevar , and even then he was peer pressured into it

[@celairgilfaenmirion]

@@martvinegar3431 Fixed!

[@martvinegar3431]

@@celairgilfaenmirion K

[@martvinegar3431]

@@celairgilfaenmirion Thank you kind sir.

[@mattyb187]

This is the truth, the three council members were traitors and killed the wounded nerevar . Thats why azura cursed the chimer and made them into dunmer to be ashen and black like the darkness that lurked into their souls. She vowed that she would revive the nerevar to take revenge upon them further since they had used the tools to make themselves demi gods and thus she could not harm them further.

[@TheTwitching]

I always hear Dagothwave when i hear Dagoth Ur's dialoge.

[@Mare_Man]

Same

[@the_dropbear4392]

Same

[@wu1ming9shi]

yup, not thatl listening to it for hours on end helped it either...

[@dylanb9969]

Ooh ooh oooh

[@tinymetaltrees]

I always hear Dagothwave.

[@PierroCh5]

"What a grand and intoxicating innocence" One of the most badass line of the whole ES saga.

[@viveka2994]

God Bless Young Scrolls

[@viveka2994]

@Jakob Nielson dagoth is hitting charts worldwide

[@brazzadazza]

Can someone put this in simpler words, what does that actually mean?

[@eddtard2686]

@@brazzadazza If you're inquiring about Dagoth's quote, it's more or less a mockery. To put it simply: Naive.

[@blastermaster5039]

@Smunstu Stinkymonster Correction; 'incredibly' amusing to the point that it made him feel both deeply ecstatic and positively dominant.

[@walkermudd8724]

Dagoth Ur *hits blunt* Ight so hear me out

[@rossholt9352]

20 likes? This is unacceptable.

[@pelinalwhitestrake4196]

*hits blunt and slaughters more elves* ReeeeeaaaaamaAaaaannnn

[@anorlondo7834]

We'll get to over a million in no time,fear not brothers,a golden comment like this deserves no less.

[@TheBeastr]

@@anorlondo7834 were at 125 now

[@TheDigitalWatcher]

"Solipsism is the way to godhood"

[@jefthereaper]

How to achieve CHIM: I accept that this reality is a dream, a fake. But that does not mean I am fake, reality is a matter of perspective. It may be just a dream to the godhead, but it is reality for myself, and everything inside the dream.

[@thebigbluenerd]

oops I zero sumed

[@Swordofswordom]

Instructions uncle-

[@justdude2775]

Chim isn't canon

[@shalltearbloodfallen310]

@@justdude2775 Yes it is

[@jaieet]

It's not so simple. It's like waking up and seeing all of reality all at once; your very perceptions completely changing in an instant. The world does not exist. Your family does not exist. And so you do not exist. If you do not - in that VERY moment, deny your own trail of logical thought, you cease to be. This is why the Dwemer ceased to be. They were driven by logic. A flaw when you live in fiction. CHIM is (traditionally) based in violence and ego, and is pursued through extensive and meticulous preparation. You can't accept reality. Reality isn't real. You have to assert that YOU are real, and thus position yourself to usurp the dreamer.

[@kawaiigoomy3487]

"I think, therefore I am." - Descartes I am, therefore reality is. - Dagoth Ur

[@Burned-Legate]

Dagothwave - Young Scrolls. You can thank me later.

[@Toto-95]

can i thank you now ?

[@ElfArcher]

Damn you beat me to it😂

[@sheep1ewe]

I am a god! How can You kill a god?

[@sorchatheraven]

Star (Adoring fan) - Young scrolls Edit: Just go through all of Young Scrolls, they won't disappoint you

[@captainsawbones]

what a grand and intoxicating innocence!

[@UrielManX7]

3:37 Only Bethesda could have created lore with bugs.

[@carrier2823]

UrielManX7 it just works. At least until the dragon breaks

[@HunterBidensHandgun]

That's why we love them

[@NukeCaulfield]

​@@HunterBidensHandgunI loved them until Starfield.

[@hikiwa4337]

Man, Morrowind lore is awesome, but so trippy.

[@gasmonkey1000]

Linkyoo But that is just one of the many reasons we love it, though. While I like some good fantasy Vikings, I really like the Dunmer. The Dunmer's homeland is a swamp, their fashion is either tits-out-24/7 or so ludicrous that they need magic so it doesn't crush them, their warrior-clan's main base is a kaiju-tier crab, and their wizard-clan's forts and bases are giant mushroom trees. How is that not awesome?

[@jaieet]

@@gasmonkey1000 Don't forget hollowing out beetles to ride them like vehicles.

[@gasmonkey1000]

Mystery Yoghurt I know. I envy the guy who came up with that.

[@gasmonkey1000]

Arnez Willis Oh yeah, there was that. When I saw that movie I had no idea what was happening but I loved it. Cobra-la-la-la-la-la-la-la-la!

[@ohamatchhams]

Morrowind lore is what happened when you combine high fantasy, dark fantasy, history, anthropology, tribalism, mysticism and with the appliances of Alchemy into the mold into unprecedented processes

[@Burned-Legate]

Dagoth Ur rocking that kilt, hippie hair, and waffle-iron mask look like no other "living-god" pretender.

[@thereisnomeme9258]

Loincloth, not kilt sir But "waffle-iron mask" is very nice

[@davidhatcher7016]

😂

[@JoshSweetvale]

Very Goa'uld

[@dankfatboi]

What the fuck are you implying you little shit let me see you get gutted by romans and come back 3 days later

[@seanchannie5822]

@@dankfatboi Good thing that's never happened amirite?

[@poopoobanana8594]

The three lords fear him because of his sexy voice

[@LichlordKazam]

Sadly not shown or heard in this video. *sad face*

[@floriskorsten7433]

ASMR

[@CommanderM117]

that was to cool for this vid

[@gasmonkey1000]

Carl He is also the only character in Morrowind who has a charisma score higher than 100.

[@AaronSoul725]

hi Carl

[@CaptainClark23]

Welcome, Moon and Star. Come to me through fire and war. Woah, woah.

[@baronofbahlingen9662]

CaptainClark23 Come Nerevar, come and look upon the heart, upon the heart, oh oh.

[@TheFathomlessUnknown]

A more fire song has not since been created.

[@abyssprimus]

Lay down your weapons it is not too late for my mercy

[@steptimusheap8860]

Come nerevar, come and gaze upon the heart Upon the heart

[@ajinkyatarodekar9099]

@Mad Hatress Souffle I'm a god. How can you kill a god? Ohoh

[@StraightUpIrishJames]

Dagoth Ur welcomes you Neravar

[@fariszakimy]

Woah didn't expect to see you here

[@vogonp4287]

UwU sweet Neravar.

[@RaptorsVevo]

[Lyrics] What a fool you are. I'm a god, how can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence. How could you be so naive? There is no escape. No recall or intervention can work in this place. Come, lay down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy.

[@smakyakproductions4466]

Raptors *Oh, oh, oh, ooh!*

[@hadenwilson7278]

[Intro] Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh (x2) [Verse 1] Welcome Moon-and-Star Come to me through fire and war Ooh, ooh Come, Nerevar Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart Ooh Lay down your weapons It is not too late for my mercy Ooh, ooh Come and look upon the heart, upon the heart Ooh, ooh, ooh [Chorus] I'm a god How can you kill a god? What a grand and intoxicating innocence I'm a god How can you kill a god? Shame on you, sweet Nerevar I'm a god (x2) I'm a god, god I'm a god (x3) [Verse 1] [Chorus] [Verse 2 (x4)] No recall or intervention can work in this place There is no escape [Chorus]

[@davidhatcher7016]

Nice

[@peterd2614]

Shame on you sweet nerevar

[@Peroxide-Mark]

OOH OH

[@killgriffinnow]

Dagoth Ur is one of my most memorable boss battles ever. This is how it went for me; When playing Morrowind, I went to a shop and saw a potion of leaping at the start of the game. I bought it but quickly forgot about it. When I was nearing the end of the main quest, I went to an enchanter with my ebony sword, and spent all 20,000 gold I had on a flame enchantment to make it the most powerful thing I had. It was epic; I sliced through corpus creatures like they were made of butter. Then, when I finally took on Dagoth Ur and destroyed the heart of lorkhan, I charged at him with my sword...and got knocked over instantly as his sword had drain stamina. I couldn't even fight back; all I could do was drink health potions until I ran out. I thought I was dead, but as I scrolled through my potions I found one which I had totally forgotten about; the leaping potion. I sumersaulted over his head (like Obi Wan did to Darth Maul), and landed on the other side of a bridge. Dagoth Ur ran across the bridge, which collapsed, sending him into the lava below. The special thing about this battle was, instead of winning through brute force, I had to outsmart Dagoth Ur with only the resources that came to hand, and I thought it was awesome.

[@treemane0]

That was pretty epic, if only there were front flip animations unless you used mods

[@killgriffinnow]

@Jerome Benavides I was expecting him to die instantly so I was a bit surprised when he didn’t. I only used the graphics enhancement mod but aside from that it was vanilla.

[@ArvelDreth]

He... doesn't use a sword...

[@evmeatdrummer9810]

That is awesome!

[@chengzhou8711]

Friendshipismagic fuck that was epic

[@ChrisselWasser]

"My first question is: Are you really Nerevar reborn?" "My second question is: if you win, what do you plan to do with the power from the Heart? Will you make yourself a god, and establish a thearchy? Or will you complete Akulakhan, and dispute control of Tamriel with the Septims? Or will you share the Heart with your followers, as I have, and breed a new race of divine immortals?" "My final question is: If I had offered to let you join me, would you have surrendered Wraithguard, Sunder, and Keening to me to seal your oath?"

[@Serjo777]

Where is that from?

[@ChrisselWasser]

@@Serjo777 dialogue of dagoth ur in TES III: Morrowind

[@Serjo777]

@@ChrisselWasser Weird, I totally don't remember those lines. It's been a while since I last played through Morrowind tho.

[@ashencometmom5291]

@@Serjo777 it's not voice acted, but he asks you those questions if you choose to take up his offer and talk to him before the fight

[@waterboy7985]

Yes to all your questions on the second point. That's where dragonbreaks occur.

[@olgierdboratynski3801]

I won't forgive you not using his original sexy voice.

[@RexFrizzy]

So Dagoth Ur is basically the embodiment of “Is this a feature or bug?” Bethesda: yes

[@Jesus_Offical]

He is the embodiment of it just works

[@wiibrockster]

Dagoth Ur is unique as he isn't wholly evil. Sure he's insane and mad with power but he wasn't straight up evil.

[@jaieet]

His means of charismatic conversion was turning you into a squid monster zombie. That's pretty damn evil, by any standard.

[@wiibrockster]

@@jaieet He was doing something "Good" in his eyes

[@jaieet]

@@wiibrockster I don't know about that. If he believes all of reality is his dream, is good or bad even a concept anymore? Nobody else really exists - he can do whatever he wants to them.

[@logan_wolf]

I feel like Voryn Dagoth wasn't evil, and was actually a rather honorable and fair guy. I think he became corrupted by the Heart into Dagoth Ur, and of course, the Tribunal would twist who he really was, once was, for their own selfish reasons. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. I tend to believe the accounts of the story that say that Nerevar entrusted Dagoth to guard the tools, left to consult Almsivi, was killed by Almsivi, because they were driven by greed and lust for power, and when they came to confront Dagoth Ur, he knew something was wrong because Nerevar wasn't with them. How he became connected to the Heart I'm still trying to figure out, probably something he did in haste and panic when he knew Almsivi were coming without Nerevar to make sure they couldn't get the tools. Remember, his first suggestion was to destroy them, meaning he believed nobody should possess them, not even the Almsivi. And Dagoth Ur seems honorable when you confront him in Red Mountain, leading me to believe that some traces of Voryn are still found in Dagoth Ur, beneath all the madness.

[@charlesleeray6679]

Mystery Yoghurt What's wrong with being a squid monster zombie that violates many Japanese school girls?

[@masonlloyd1180]

I just love the whole concept of Chim and the Godhead. It's like the elder scrolls and Morrowind in particular taking a number from Bill Hicks. "Today a young man on skooma realized that all matter is energy reduced to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no death, life is only a dream, and we're the imagination of ourselves. Here's Dagoth Ur with the weather."

[@user-dy5ho4sj2w]

😂😂😂😂 I got a Bill Hicks vibe too. Haha

[@codyms5052]

RRRRRRRRRRRREALLY FCKIN HIFH ON DRGS

[@basedtortellini]

Ahahahah best comment ive read on youtube in a long time

[@ganggang363]

I hate morrowimd lore it doesn't make sense just to not make sense, fuck the godhead

[@thebelmont1995]

I love Bill Hicks!

[@urlmarine]

Come and look upon the heart upon the heart ooh ooh

[@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123]

Damn, I late 5 hours to make this comment

[@kirkvander897]

Lay down your weapons, it is not too late for my mercy. Ooh ooh

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@moch.farisdzulfiqar6123 wow

[@wolflikebeast5290]

I’m a god, how can you kill a god?

[@ajinkyatarodekar9099]

@@wolflikebeast5290 such a sweet and intoxicating innocence.

[@markmikolay9019]

I love the metaphisical side of the lore.

[@davidhatcher7016]

Same

[@hann-tuan3055]

One of the writers probably read Descartes Meditations. Same idea, even if our world is an illusion or dream, at least your concious must exist.

[@TpSlaw]

01:37 "... lets dive straight into Dagoth Ur." *Well, that escalated quickly*

[@jbelowheaven3607]

listen, all im sayin is that Dagoth Ur is the nereverines only true friend

[@chaospacemarine8330]

If Dagoth and the Ashlanders are right, Red Mountain was a goddamn tragedy. Nerevar was assassinated by those he trusted (because they were convinced he'd be an obstacle on their quest to divinity), with only one of those standing for Nerevar and his ideals ending up as an eldritch abomination for his loyalty, while the Tribunal rewrites history to erase both.

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@chaospacemarine8330 yep

[@LunarEntity]

Voryn Dagoth was his friend and confident. Dagoth Ur is the mortal unmade, reborn as the sleeper and dreamer.

[@Gakusangi]

Always love all the care that went into the lore surrounding Morrowind.

[@OniGanon]

Also, the drugs.

[@onelividguardsman5681]

Massive copious amounts of drugs

[@RyoKasai25]

Like, obscene amounts of drugs .

[@Gakusangi]

@@RyoKasai25 Those too.

[@BAGGStheAugmented]

They were obviously on a shroom eating binge. They ate tons of shrooms and thought of all this Morrowind stuff. I mean it's incredibly obvious... Just look at the environments in the game. Mushrooms everywhere, mushroom cities, etc... And then there's the writing. It's trippy writing because they were mad trippin on shrooms.

[@cyberlingbot3d896]

Dagoth Ur was the only real consciously aware person, he was the godhead. Everyone else is just an NPC.

[@pisscvre69]

What if the elder scrolls universe is such a mess after morrowind cuz he was really the godhead and is slowly dying

[@imdone8243]

What about the protagonists of the various games?

[@sadpug2512]

@@imdone8243 they're nothing special, besides morrowinds pc

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@pisscvre69 yes

[@yatez97]

@cart 55 I thought the DBs soul could only be claimed by Akatosh and as such he would rejoin Akatosh in death, regardless of any pacts with daedric princes

[@dans.7002]

"Is this how you honor the Sixth House, and the tribe unmourned? Come to me openly, and not by stealth"

[@skynyrdjesus]

My interpretation has always been that, through a similar act of betrayal, Dagoth was inextricably linked to the essence of Lorkhan, who I've always believed to be the true dreamer, and this link has maddened him. Just as the tribunal are sort of half steps between the mortals and Azura, Boethiah and Mephala, Dagoth-Ur is trapped between what it is to be mortal, and to be Lorkhan.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Lorkhan isn't the dreamer he's merely the counterpart to auriel. The soul of half the godhead.

[@skynyrdjesus]

@@seekingabsolution1907 I don't pretend to understand everything about this period of Elder Scrolls lore, and how frankly insane it gets, but I don't see a massive distinction between being the half of the God head removed from the mortal plane, and being the Dreamer that shapes from outside it. Maybe I'm giving Lorkhan too much credit, and maybe too little to the innumerable gods that left Mundus, and obviously it's ignoring the meta reference to the developers and writers, but working within the 4th wall Lorkhan would be my best bet.

[@Lyvarious]

I imagine the potential dragon break situation and Ur's relationship with those circumstances also had a hand in just how absolutely mental he became.

[@saxojon]

I remember my meeting with Dagoth Ur as if it was yesterday even though it has been 18 years. Trekking up the slopes of the Red Mountain I had prepared well for the journey. Not only in the game but also in real life (I ate a bowl of washy rice with some sausage bits in it - I was 19 at the time and had just moved from home a little over half a year earlier). I remember it being frightening, but also the best culmination of a game that I had ever encountered. So much so that I still remember what I ate that day.

[@Kiiw3y]

The Dwemer did NOT zero-sum. If that had happened then absolutely no trace of them, either physical or in the form of memories would remain.

[@jaieet]

The Dwemer existed before Red Mountain. Maybe they existed after Red Mountain, too. Maybe the REASON what happened at Red Mountain cannot be figured out, is because the surviving Dwemer zero-summed afterwards.

[@xxxxx6622]

@@jaieet they could not have zero summed, zero summing would mean thy never existed in the first place and no trace of them would remain, if they zero summed there would be no ruins and dwarven spirits, dwemer most likely moved to a different realm, or they might've gotten trapped inside the numidium

[@jaieet]

@@xxxxx6622 Zero summing doesn't null your RACE. It only nullifies you. If ANY of the Dwemer were already dead before a zero-sum, there would still be Dwemer stuff around. And indeed, there are Dwemer ghosts all throughout Morrowind. Also a living one who was out of town at the time.

[@xxxxx6622]

@@jaieet dwemer dissapeared as a whole, not individually dwemer committed atrocities together and they got punished together, whatever happened happened to all of them as a race if they zero summed they would've zero summed as a race but they did not

[@jaieet]

@@xxxxx6622 No. Their ghosts and ancestors still exist. There is a LIVING dwemer in Morrowind. He's alive. You TALK to him as part of the main quest. If Vivec Zero-Summed, it would NOT result in the Dunmer zero-summing, too. Do you understand? :P

[@zealotmaster1]

Peace is a lie, there is only sweetrolls. Through sweetrolls , I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. sweetrolls shall free me.

[@randommandoade1465]

The Sith Sweetroll code more powerful then the original Sith Code that all situ feared it even Darth Jarjar but one sith did follow it and became more powerful then the first sith lord and his name was Darth Sweetidious

[@supernova582]

There is no emotion there is only sweet rolls there is no Ignorance there is only sweet rolls there is no passion there is only sweet rolls there is no Chaos there is only sweet rolls there is no death there is only sweet rolls. The jedi sweet rolls code this code was created by the group's founder sweet roll pastryes a famous jedi wielding the power of the sweet roll

[@zealotmaster1]

In brightest day, in blackest night, No sweetroll; shall escape my sight. Let those who worship daedra's might Beware my teeth my hungers might!

[@martimsabras1447]

Ah! The sweeth code (sweeth=sweet+sith)

[@Sacremas]

"Vegetables are a Lie, there is only Cake. Through Cake I gain Calories. Through Calories I gain Mass, Through Mass I gain Diabeetus. Through DIabeetus my Blood Sugar is Broken. The Crackers shall set me Free." -The Sith Code (as revised by Darth Baras.)

[@TheGSone]

If I could, I would have sided with him, against the lying tribunal. Also, on a relate note, I once saw a post on 4chan that explained with amazing detail the concept of being awake in death, showing the different states of dream and life, also explaining the nature of the dreamers. And in an unrelated note, the sexiest iteration of Daddy Ur's voice is during "return to clockwork city" in elder scrolls legends, chapter 3, one of the memories of Sotha Sil

[@danesorensen1775]

"Dead, awake and dreaming, which is even more impossible." I remember that thread, I wish I'd had the presence of mind to save it.

[@douglasbubbletrousers4763]

Do you guys have any idea how to find it?

[@AtmoStk]

Namefield Dagoth Guy. Search on the archives

[@chrisbungay7679]

Sounds to me like Dagoth mantled Lorkan as he died by accident. Lorkan woke up in his own dream, lucid dreaming using Dagoth as an avatar. Of course he would be quite insane and feel entitled to complete world domination as the entire world is in his own head.

[@forgettable8300]

I'd pay 60 bucks for a faithful remake of this game

[@goldiekoi935]

I just want to play the original game on the switch I never got to play this game. I have PC but I hate Pc gaming I just want to game in my bed lol.

[@forgettable8300]

@@goldiekoi935 it would be awesome on a switch

[@gh0rochi363]

​@@goldiekoi935 Get it on pc and play with a controller that's what I do with ES games and action games in general. It runs well.

[@thetillman45]

The nerevarine does not destroy the heart, they sever the tie that Dagoth Ur has made to it. Destroy the heart and you destroy the world.

[@pelinalwhitestrake4196]

Nope the heart was destroyed

[@thetillman45]

it's physical form could be destroyed (by the same tools that gave it the form of a heart, to be used in the numidium) but the heart itself and its powers cannot be truly destroyed

[@TheRedRaccoonDog]

@@pelinalwhitestrake4196 Factually incorrect. It is the heart of the world.

[@kevinstevenson9666]

The heart's physical form was sundered, sending it to an unreachable layer of existence. It is still the heart of the world, but it is now unobtainable by mortals.

[@chaospacemarine8330]

@@TheRedRaccoonDog you'd be correct if Lorkhan was actually still the one anchoring Mundus in the aethereal planes, but that role has since passed on to Talos of Atmora upon mantling his position as the God of Mankind. The Heart is still however an incredibly powerful peephole into the workings of the dream and therefore can still help one achieve either Sharmat or CHIM (if one doesn't zero-sum first) with appropriate self-introspection and equipment.

[@thevoidlookspretty7079]

“Entitlement to the domination of reality.” What a sentence.

[@hhjk377]

I can't wait to see him in Skywind. His concept art from the team looks horrifying.

[@osets2117]

I can't wait, and then they'll eventually do the expansions. Imagine how horrifying sotha sil's, creatures, will look

[@friedchicken1863]

That is never going to finish lol. The people who lead that project have never programmed before.

[@plasticnoodles9678]

Bro is still waiting

[@TheShadowOfHumanity]

My first fight against Dagoth Ur was hilarious. I went in there without any of the tools but had op gear and spells so I figured it would be ok. I hit the heart and it got destoyed but it didn't trigger things right so although the model of the heart disappeared Dagoth was still immorta. After a 5 minute battle he fell into the lava but couldn't die so it became a stalemate.

[@JojoZXA]

Dagoth "Daddy" Ur leader of best faction

[@clanof1144]

Come Nerevar, friend or traitor, come

[@82dorrin]

Love how TES doesn't have an omniscient narrator. You have to take varying accounts of history and make up your own mind. It makes you think.

[@NunYurbis]

Great video! I always felt that Dagoth Ur was the best antagonist in TES. The Daedric princes are interesting but they haven't had half the character arch that Dagoth Ur did, many of them just being powerful since their creation, Dagoth Ur however had an interesting path to reach his power, and the story of Morrowind did such a great job slowly showing Dagoth Ur's power and reach throughout the game, leading to the stand-off inside the mountain that always loomed over you on the horizon as a constant reminder of the threat while you were playing.

[@bruceybruce1558]

You guys did my suggestion! Far out fudgemuppet, you're the best!

[@breadpilled2587]

God, I wish I could romance Dagoth Ur. What an alpha male, what severe power top energy

[@chaoticnart9922]

spacemantango I don’t think he was a top when it came to Nerevar 😏

[@thehylianloach9473]

hol up

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@chaoticnart9922 wut

[@chaoticnart9922]

David hatcher I said what I said.

[@davidhatcher7016]

@@chaoticnart9922 bah

[@M1LKMAN]

0:01 when you hit an endermen in creative mode and it tries to attack you

[@cornbreadloverrr]

PERFECT

[@perfect10bagfumbler]

Lol😂😂😂

[@MrInternetMan]

What a grand and intoxicating innocence.

[@connorsmith1005]

Man I love Dagoth's trippy dancing as he casts spells

[@sugarsunshineandcarbs]

Morrowind: You are destined to defeat a false god of metaphysical existence using CHIM to defeat him before he becomes the god of existence Skyrim: Kill dragon by shouting

[@void9399]

No, you do not use the "CHIM", you use enchanted equipment and weapons created by the dwemer. The CHIM is nothing more than something invented by Vivec to justify his powers, and then that would be used by Mankar Camoran to deceive his followers. And Alduin is not a simple dragon, he is the "son" of Akatosh. Dagoth obtains his powers by means external to him, while Alduin has his powers naturally. It sounds more "epic" Alduin in that sense.

[@PrimusGladius]

@@void9399 I wouldn't say it's nothing more than that. It's canon mention is scant for sure but in TES even the falsehoods may be true.

[@void9399]

@@PrimusGladius The falsehoods can not be true, it is a complete contradiction in terms. Maybe you mean that what does not have a lot of sustenance can end up being true. But the problem is that the CHIM is not completely explained in the texts where it is mentioned, but its objective is clear, to make people believe that Vivec and Camoran "got it", and with it their powers, the problem of this is that in the same games is verified that this is a complete lie, and that their powers are derived from other things. The problem is that many people do not accept this because they keep reading what Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, where the concept of CHIM does have a function and is real. They do not understand that Elder Scrolls and C0DA are already completely different things. What is written for C0DA is not designed to answer the questions of Elder Scrolls, nor to change what has already been stipulated.

[@PrimusGladius]

@@void9399 Oh I'm not denying the technicality of your logic, just pointing out that The Elder Scrolls has always dabbled in the contradictory and illogical. Urag gro-shub, the librarian of the College of Winterhold, in discussing the Elder Scrolls themselves says: "The simplest way to put it is 'knowledge,' but there's nothing simple about an Elder Scroll. It's a reflection of all possible futures and all possible pasts. Each reader sees different reflections through different lenses, and may come away with a different reading. But at the same time, all of it is true. Even the falsehoods. Especially the falsehoods." Then there's other inexplicable and illogical things that have happened in the lore and are canon like the Warp in the West. Metaphysical break in time or just a convenient retcon by the developers? Both I would say. The lore is whatever they want it to be and is subject to their whims, but we are still it's interpreters.

[@void9399]

@@PrimusGladius Sure, Bethesda can make any change and end up being canon, especially if they use the dragonbreak. It does not matter if it ends up contradicting several things, although I doubt it very much, because if you make several contradictions, you can easily cause people who are reviewing your product to lose interest. But we're not talking about whether Bethesda makes changes in the future or not. If Bethesda will say in the future that the CHIM is something real. What is spoken is that so far, it is not canon, it is something that Kirkbride wrote for his C0DA, so it should not be mixed with Elder Scrolls.

[@jkattau9]

The more I learn about Skyrim theology, the more I think that "belief dictates reality" applies to those that have the will to make it true.

[@seekingabsolution1907]

Not the will, the means. You can't turn a rock into a computer with will power alone you need many many tools and many many steps rhat not everyone has access to. Not everything can be done alone.

[@jkattau9]

@@seekingabsolution1907 We're talking about a videogame with dragons and magic. Your argument is invalid. Lol

[@RealCasperMan]

Well that's just like your opinion, n'wah.

[@sanityplusmilkshakes]

Dagoth Ur: I'm a god. My brain: /music starts

[@davypi2]

Since you seems to take interpretation of lore so seriously, I feel the need to correct your reading at 10:25. You are reading "Swim in the New" as one sentence and "Phlogiston" as a separate sentence, but they are the same sentence. In the real world, phlogiston was a hypothetical substance that chemists believed exist inside all thing that were flammable. It was the "element" that made burning possible and was subsequently released into the air. It is, essentially, what you were supposedly looking at when you looked at a flame. It was the prevalent theory regarding combustion up until about 1800. So when Dagoth Ur says "Tear down the pylons my blind fish; swim in the new phlogiston," he is urging his audience to enter into and embrace that which is causing the world to change. More literally, he is using Phlogiston as a metaphor for the blight and swimming in phlogiston is a call for the reader to accept his disease rather than fight it.

[@RasDoesBushcraftBackcountry]

Of Academia and ES lore. +1 to you

[@dmj271095]

Dagoth: Lay down your weapons. It is not too late for my mercy. My head: Ooh... Ooh... Ooh.

[@masamune2984]

I feel like Dagoth Ur, upon his connection with the Heart and his first death, became some kind of bizarre, twisted fusion between both himself, and whatever dreaming consciousness remained of Lorkhan. It would certainly explain and fit within the theories of this video🙂

[@spicydeath82]

i could swear i remember dagoth telling you that your friends betrayed you(indoril nevar), vivec and alemexia wanted to be together and they wanted to be gods, but you stood in the way and so they betrayed you and you died. then they plus sotha sil, took god hood. that's why the tribunal temple hunts down and kills all of the reincarnations. it's also why your ex wife puts a hit out on you once she realizes your back from the dead. she thinks your going to be coming at her for revenge. but it's been ages since i beat morrowind(played it on the original xbox.).

[@shalltearbloodfallen310]

Your right except that Almalexia doesn't send the Assassins its King Helseth Hlaalu because you threaten his monarchy

[@C00kiesAplenty]

Yea, because Dagoth Ur is an ironclad and 100% trustable source of accurate information.

[@masterexploder9668]

No one out there is a 100% reliable source of information. Keeping details vague opens up great RP possibilities. You can be a literal Nerevar reborn, or you are simply a random guy who gets the job done through skill, determination and tons upon tons of luck. Divayth Fyr always failed to cure Corprus, it happened only with Nerevarine. Did it happen because he was destined, or because he was a one in a million lucky? It's again vague.

[@jobdylan5782]

@@C00kiesAplenty I trust him more than the tribunal, easily.

[@thunderbird7020]

Cookies Aplenty I think Dagoth is far more trustworthy than the Tribunal.

[@darklurkerirl6101]

IS THIS HOW YOU HONOR THE SIXTH HOUSE AND THE TRIBE UNMOURNED ?!

[@thegamingpigeon3216]

It's funny once you understand CHIM and anti-CHIM and all of that and how it all ties into Dagoth Ur, you realize that he could have been unstoppable. In a way, he became the supreme being in the Elder Scrolls universe and as Scott said, he was living (or rather, dreaming) in a reality of himself and in a way, he was the God head.

[@giorgosgeorgiou1702]

I want the false tribunal, Dagoth Ur and Nerevar to come back from dead and rice again and restore Morrowind is my dream

[@genobreaker1054]

Rise*?

[@giorgosgeorgiou1702]

@@genobreaker1054 yea I kill my English anyway you didn't answer do you want the 4 guys to come back?

[@AngronTheRedAngel]

@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 For me i certainly do, I also pretty much prefer the nerevarine than the last dragonborn

[@genobreaker1054]

@@giorgosgeorgiou1702 didn't see that as a question, sorry. To be honest, I'm an Elder Scrolls peasant who came on scene with Skyrim. I watch channels like this on to learn more about the lore of games I simply don't have the time to play, unfortunately. I like what I hear, and it sounds like an awesome story arc for a game though!

[@giorgosgeorgiou1702]

@@AngronTheRedAngelme too but I prefer Nerevar who his soul is in nerevarine body

[@lucaspiano76]

Anyone else here after the random surge of dagoth ur memes

[@SomeOneWandering]

Anyone else just want to hear Dagoth Ur's lore read by Dagoth Ur?

[@goldiekoi935]

That would be awesome!

[@nevermore3055]

Let's make it happen

[@MIMALECKIPL]

From all the books in game I could infer that Vivek and rest of tribunal killed nerevar - used tools of Kagrenak (and fought Dagoth Ur in the process because he was holding promise to Nerevar regarding prohibition of using those tools) and made themselves gods. Later when they wanted replenish their powers they encountered Dagoth Ur in the red mountain.

[@alienonlsd3209]

The only flow of events that really makes sense with the details we do know like naravar losing his feet which is a sign of dishonor. The Battle of Red Mountain occurs the dwemmer disappeared, Moon and star was likely wounded from the severe Battle but still alive at the moment. The tools are collected dagoth is entrusted with guarding them while the tribunal take nerevar away. Most likely to heal, However this is when nerevar was betrayed. And considering each member of the tribunal is supposed to represent one of the 3 daedra of the chimer. It's most likely either almalexia or Vivec to present the idea and sotha sil who figured out the tools use. Nerevar is murdered, his feet removed for disrespect being a constant so I think outdoor murder. the tribunal heads for red mountain and meet Dagoth. Dagoth Either was tempted by the artifacts and figured out how to do it by himself, Or upon finding the tribunal's arrival without nerevar he put 1 and 2 together and did something desperate to try and stop them. a rushed Attunement would explain the oddities of dagoths flawed CHIM.

[@cogaora4617]

here in 2023 now that dagoth ur is a meme

[@herusolares5320]

*dagothwave playing in the distance*

[@Xhalph]

Watching this makes me want to replay Morrowind. I doubt that I'm alone in this.

[@Catman2123]

Dagoth Ur be like: “What if you were just my dream. Jk haha, unless…” 👁 👁👄👁 👉🏿👈🏿

[@boredcunt1800]

"Indoril, I pity you for your shortsightedness. If only you had dreamed with me under the mountain. You confirm my mistrust through your shortsightedness. You are still bound by your superstitions. You are Azura’s tool and she has used you as she planned to use me. Why is it that you believe a life of servitude, servitude to the false gods of the tribunal, servitude to the empire, and servitude to the Daedric lords who pull their strings, is better than what I have to offer?" my favorite line from dagoth ur

[@madness400]

You should do a video on the maomer elves and on Orgnum. They have a very interesting history and Orgnum himself is also rather cool.

[@IamaDinosaur]

Until in the Elder Kings, Orgnum death came and it went total Chaos for me XD

[@nathansingleton7532]

So based on what the video said..... Does this mean if the Nerevarine failed then, the restored House Dagoth would've been the Dunmer version of 4E Thalmor, right? I wonder how they'd interact with the actual Thalmor, imagine their wars....

[@TPOver9000]

The second numidium vs the thalmor would have been a very funny thing to witness.

[@AizenSama-if9vd]

Actually the world of the victorious Dagoth in the events of Morrowind is the World of the collapsed empire. At first, Dagoth, using the corprus, created an entire army of monsters for himself. He would have cleansed Morrowind of everyone who would dare to openly oppose emus, that is, about half of all Morrowind, whether it be the Imperials or the followers of the Tribunal that still believed in the power of their gods. Then he would take up the issue of arranging a new Morrowind. He would have decided for a while to leave the rest of the continent in peace, putting things in order in the interior of his country. The Thalmor would have been delayed with the coming to power because there is no Oblivion Crisis. Dagon is not a fool to repeat the same mistakes. He then understands that even if he invades, there is a risk of losing to the same Dagoth and only making it easier for him to capture Tamriel. So Dagoth would simply continue to gradually undermine the Empire from the inside and prepare for the invasion.

[@joec.70]

You should do a hypothetical video on what would happen if you COULD join Dagoth Ur’s side. When you’re about to kill him, he asks you to join him multiple times, but you still can’t.

[@IncredulousMisanthrope]

He's a god, how can you even kill a god?. *WHAT A GRAND AND INTOXICATING INNOVENCE*

[@abyssprimus]

Shame on you, sweet Nerevar.

[@ProfessionalRtard]

Come and look upon the heart... ... Upon The heart.

[@coffin_candy]

Always i get a notification of your videos and decide To watch. I would like To tell you i enjoy your videos a lot.

[@TheCatWatches]

“Dagothwave” by Young Scrolls = the essence of Dagoth Ur’s character

[@FirstLast-cg2nk]

The tragedy of Dagoth Ur is that his interfering with The Heart Of Lorkan caused two opposing timelines to merge, one where the Tribunal betrayed the Nerevar to become gods, and one where the Tribunal were always gods and there was no betrayal. Dagoth Ur's assumption upon meeting your character is that you're *his* Nerevar reincarnated, but it's much more likely that you're from the timeline where the betrayal never occurred. His actions destroyed *his* Nerevar.

[@henryhargraves4184]

Who’s here after the dagoth ur meme?

[@fungustheturd4004]

I like to believe that the Dagoth Ur that we see in the game is some kind of avatar of the real Dagoth Ur, like how the Nerevarine is to the player. It looks like Dagoth is another player going on an opposite path from the Nerevarine and ready to fight him to know which destiny will be fulfilled at the heart chamber. SO IM GONNA SAY IT AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME: MORROWIND WAS THE FIRST PVP EXPERIENCE IN ELDER SCROLLS HISTORY

[@Deng73]

So... basically, every time we're playing Morrowind and completing main quest line, we're screewing someone's RTS/4X match through RPG mechanics.

[@bluesentinelavoch4440]

Narevar have you ever heard of shy lilly

[@vhoro4514]

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS LORE VIDEO!! I wanted for so long to learn more about Dagith Ur

[@EyeGanGrowl]

Literally only here because of the surpluss of Dagoth Ur ai voice memes

[@oxakar]

Why'd you mod his voice :(

[@Im-Not-a-Dog]

The Dwemer are the citizens of Jyggalag’s new domain, now that he’s been freed from the curse that is Sheogorath. The Dwemer seem like they’d get along with a god of order. #TinFoilHat

[@DodieDO23]

Loving this theory.

[@serdnazerreitug]

So basically ascension through divine ego clarity and unbreakable willpower

[@lukevankleef4245]

Chim = you wake up from the dream. Anti Chim: you're a lucid dreamer.

[@santerautis3839]

No. Completely wrong. Zero-sum = you wake up from the dream CHIM = you're a lucid dreamer Anti-CHIM = you're the false dreamer

[@AGS363]

If i could, I would have joined Dagoth Ur.

[@crying2emoji5]

Dang it thought I had a good grip on my understanding of Morrowind Lore, but I’ve never considered the concept of “anti-CHIM.” Super fascinating.

[@DylPickleman]

A video on the Lessons of Vivec would be amazing. Most of my understanding of Morrowind-era lore comes from FudgeMuppet videos, and anything Vivec says post-achieving Chim is intriguing, since it often gives nuggets of knowledge about the Godhead.

[@cameronshort9302]

Wow, I finally get to apply the most abstract concepts from my philosophy class...nifty-not quite where I expected to do so-but cool. 👏👍 nice work!

[@sadpug2512]

Relatable

[@mudcrabmenace8534]

We need to know more about Dagoth Ur’s early life...Voryn Dagoth: An Elder Scrolls Story

[@TheTlMEWARP]

I want a Morrowind remaster so bad

[@Ry91415]

I only just started playing marrowind and I’m very thankful I found your channel I really liked this “villian” this game is so fun and I love being able to understand it a bit better thank you for putting in the time to explain this!

[@ShadeMeadows]

Elder Scrolls is more Lovecraftian than i imagined!

[@reesetorwad8346]

I like all these lore vids, literally, with the thumb up, but I gotta point out one error: The Heart of Lorkhan cannot be destroyed. You can only use Sunder and Keening to break, or perhaps erase, the enchantments placed on it by Kagrenac and/or Dagoth Ur. From "The Monomyth" "But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it." From "Kagrenac's Tools" "Beneath Red Mountain, Dwemer miners discovered a great magical stone. By diverse methods, Lord Kagrenac, High Priest and Magecrafter of the ancient Dwemer, determined that this magical stone was the heart of the god Lorkhan, cast here in the Dawn Era as a punishment for his mischief in creating the mortal world." Others get this wrong too (even a uesp page, 'tho most uesp pages don't), and it's not even a huge deal in practical terms, but knowing it can't be destroyed means it can reappear in future games WITHOUT breaking lore, that's all.

[@gilgameshthetreasurehunter2750]

If you think about it, even IF you could destroy the Heart, you'd probably destroy the world in the process.

[@MrRafaks]

In skyrim septimus signus thinks that in the dwemer box is heart of god and in dragonborn dlc there is dwemer something hidden in basement of a house and there is sound of beating. Maybe those are the hints that in TES6 heart will have its comeback

[@hermaeusmora424]

You said at 6:18 that the dwemer zero sumed but that is impossible. Why is it impossible? When you zero sum you don't just disappear, you get wiped out of time in present, future and most importantly past. So basically a person that zero sums never existed no one can remember that person because that person and consequently all creations and works of that person never existed. That's why the dwemer couldnt have zero sumed. We know they existed, we even know the names of some of them and the ruins and machines they build still exist, thus they couldn't have zero sumed.

[@jaieet]

Unless it happened later - long enough after the battle was resolved and key figures were killed, that the remaining dwemer's disappearances only muddled history.

[@hermaeusmora424]

@@jaieet That cant be because of Kagrenac. He was the one who used the tools on the heart which resulted in their disappearance. So we have a named individual and thus the explanation cant be zero sum. Also on another note how would using some tools on a heart give every dwemer the ephiphany that everything is just a dream?

[@jaieet]

@@hermaeusmora424 Because they are linked telepathically like a pseudo hive-mind. It's also worth noting that just because people SAY Kagrenac used the tools, doesn't mean he actually was the one who did. Kagrenac merely suggesting the tools be used, then being killed, is enough to fix this paradox. Some nameless Dwemer takes it upon himself to do what a professional should have, and nobody remembers a thing about the Dwemer disappearance.

[@peter1038]

@@jaieet the entire concept of chim (from what I understand of it) is just another layer of Vivecs lies. The true source of power is purely the heart. I think the idea of Chim and alot of what Vivev directly says to the player character about the mechanics of being a God is breaking the fourth wall and parralels perfectly with playing a computer game. If anything, if Chim has any truth to it whatsoever its likely to be the playable charachter who has achieved it. Which would explain why we never have any memory of events previous to the beginning of the game.

[@Weeble_Wobble]

Thank you guys for doing all this hard work to give me my sweet sweet lore fix.

[@grilledleeks6514]

Love this delivery for lore. well done

[@TheGamingCathedral]

Dagoth Ur's gotta be the most tragic villain in TES.

[@raisinbran1421]

Honestly I think I like the original voice for Dagoth Ur instead of the modded one. The VA had a very polite demeanor to his voice thus making him seem all the more menacing. It’s also like having a maniac having a sane persona, this making them all the more scary.

[@connormartin1618]

What is the mod that changes his voice in this video?

[@guardiancologne9034]

Thanks you guys ill watch with my breakfast! Keep it up i love all your content!

[@JoshSweetvale]

In my playlist just before this video was a video about a real-life corrupt District Attourney. Then my first introduction to Dagoth-s speech comes just after the autovox gives the outro to the previous video. For a moment I'm going: "Is this a District Attourney pleading immunity?" O.O :D