"Giant Embarrassment" When Is It Enough?

[@robertkuhn-qr6vb]

I am a lifelong Giants fan since 1970! I am not wasting my time on the Giants until they start competing with their divisional opponents. They have getting squashed by the Eagles, Cowboys and now the Redskins for so long now. You first have to win in your division before you can be taken seriously!

[@Johnmarzuillo-zm2ry]

What... They've beaten Washington like a drum forever aside from this season..

[@robertkuhn-qr6vb]

@Johnmarzuillo-zm2ry so by your calculation, they are 2-4 in their division. Another stooped Giants fan give it up!

[@00177454419]

Did anybody expect that the Giants had a chance to be competitive this game ? I didn't think so. So why are things anything worse for the Giants today than they were on Friday ?

[@jmazzella1]

You are correct and they are not. To me it is clear this team is intentionally tanking so they can pick a good prospect QB! Last year they didn’t tank and learned that they could not trade up to get drake mae. QBs are just too valuable! Once the released DJ …I am 100% happy with the current loosing path!

[@justint4049]

This is the same mind set that got us Saquon instead of a QB and set this franchise back a decade.

[@bobbenbrown123]

Yeah but look at Saquon Barkley NOW! The eagles have the best record/tied with the Lions at 12-2

[@sfelmey]

How can you POSSIBLY still believe in Daboll OR Shoen??

[@lonniebeard5451]

How can you believe in this GM he needs to be fired ASAP all the moves GM made or terrible

[@deenyce2216]

Wasn’t Trevor Lawerence transcended? Bro nobody know what this QBs are gonna be.

[@charliec775]

And thie list goes on & on you can even look at last year's draft with Caleb because nothing so far tells me he's going to be elite😊

[@Yesboiii99]

Nailed it. Every year these experts say this guy is the guy and the same experts called Mahomes and Allen reaches

[@LAlonely]

This 200%...and despite this each year they keep predicting "generational" players

[@joejerkoff9221]

Transcendent

[@mikeynyg]

People like you give me hope that there is still intelligence out there

[@kennethperkins964]

How can a jets fan say wat the giants need

[@bobbenbrown123]

Both teams are LOSERS AND dreadful

[@justint4049]

Only an absolute idiot would trade back and skip taking a QB we haven’t had a real QB in six years and you want to gamble we will have a pick for one in another year?!?! No.

[@johnkalafatic2965]

Lol poor Sal 😂

[@Governmentname]

Well you’re an idiot if you don’t think you can evaluate a GM after 3 years. Shane’s a bad drafter, bad roster builder, and bad talent evaluator…… what has Shane and daboll done to make you say “ Yes I want those two picking and developing my young QB”

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

New Yorkers can’t handle a rebuild. Even if they demanded one.

[@StephenCardilloNC]

We just can’t handle a stupid rebuild. Letting players like Barkley, McKinney and Love go while extending Jones.

[@kevinstewart8054]

They’ve been in one for the last 5 years.

[@StephenCardilloNC]

@ More like 10 years.

[@justint4049]

Who said this team was going to be more competitive? You guys got to stop pretending the Jones fan girls represent this fan base. Also listening to fan and media pressure is what got Mara into this mess to begin with. Don’t listen to them again

[@jmazzella1]

The goal from management is to tank and win the prize of the number 1 pick! Daboll and Schoen are solid and doing the right thing by ripping the band aide off right now and using these games to evaluate our depth players against NFL starters.

[@MagSeven7]

I almost agree with the comment made about trading back and getting draft capital. I'm not sure either of the top two QB's are game changers when we have so many holes to fill. If some team is willing to trade their #1 this year and next year or a package of #2's and 3's go for it. Take a shot at a QB in a later round or sign somebody. I just read the QB from Penn St is not coming out and that some experts had him as a good choice.

[@NewStevenEvens]

Ben Johnson head coach. Antonio Pierce DC. Cam Ward QB. Take it from there.

[@puddinghead251]

Ben Johnson would absolutely be my first option for HC

[@russellbenson7055]

BT is right. Giants ownership instincts have failed them running the team and the fans for the last 10-years…

[@robertkuhn-qr6vb]

@russellbenson7055 To all Giants fans!! Get used to the losing. The owner has proven, he doesn't know what he is doing.

[@noone1704]

There's no perfect QB coming out of college but I've seen Shadeur and Cam make some incredible throws in college a good team should know how to mold these guys

[@MrJcepeda]

Sal thinking that Ben Johnson wants to come here is laughable

[@matthogg2252]

Cam Ward has been the consensus number 1 QB all year until a week ago. What happened ?

[@whatif7191]

Because he is not. He can throw you in to a game and he can throw you out of a game. He’s not a timing and rhythm QB which is the difference between college and pro

[@ejgonzalez2313]

Trading back would be STUPID !!! AND THAT NOTION IS STUPID !!!

[@EvanRothfeld-f6u]

It all boils down to Mara’s incompetence

[@robertbuki6832]

no one talks about all the relatives of the owner in the front office???!

[@ejgonzalez2313]

QB is the most important position in football, Eli wasn't his brother outside of his last name. So now because it's not an Elway or Luck they should pass on a QB with a top 3 pick ? Complete nonsense. Sanders and Ward are going to be light-years ahead of DJ. Draft and plug the biggest need at QB whether with Sanders or Ward and let the new GM plug the other holes in free agency and late round picks which is where GMs really earn their money.

[@palerider6757]

They literally have 0 QB's on the roster next year, gonna have to draft one anyway...why not at the top of the first 🤷‍♂️

[@CJIdrA]

The Giants need an established "name" guy as coach. They should go with Jason Giambi!

[@thecastle09]

Please stop yelling bro. Giants are a pathetic organization

[@FiendishFantasy]

Some of these callers take them forever to get to their points. idk just a pet peeve, lol.

[@KMC5240]

I don't think Daboll or Scheon survive. It's not just the fact that the team is incredibly bad. It's the fact that the Giants are gonna draft a rookie QB in the 1st round. If 2025 goes badly and Daboll and Schoen get fired after the season, you just wasted the first season of the rookie. Ask the Chicago Bears how things work when you pair a rookie QB with a lame duck. They've done it three times in the last eight years.

[@beholden1663]

No I don’t agree. I think Giants ownership wants continuity. It is not healthy for an organization to change regimes too much. A lot of the Giants problems were Dave Gettelman’s fault especially drafting Daniel Jones out of a non football school in Duke and passing on Lamar Jackson.

[@jmazzella1]

@@beholden1663agree … Also Daboll mentored Josh Allen …. Let him mold CAM WARD so we have our own version Allen!!!!!!!! 🎉

[@PopOutPaulie]

I love how BT thinks he can now evaluate QBs and predict their futures. Newsflash hindsight is always 2020. Its easy to say thos guy was this and this guy was that after their career has played. Some of the best scouts in the world get it wrong. Mitch Trubisky was picked ahead of Watson and Mahomes. Caleb Williams was picked ahead of Jayden Daniels. I say that to say. Theres no such thing as a sure thing in this league especially at QB. All you can do is make the pick and hope for the best. I mean last year everyone thought CJ Stroud was gonna be a top5 qb in the league for years to come. This year it looks alot different. If i told you last year that Sam Darnold would be better than Stroud in the upcoming season you'd think i was on acid😂😂 It just goes to show how unpredictable this sport actually is. The fact of the matter is without a solid qb and a great playcaller you're never really gonna be in contention for a Super Bowl. So if im the Giants i go pick up the best QB available and to me thats Sanders. And If you're really smart you go pick up Sanders and maybe see if you can go get a bridge qb for a yr to let him sit and just soak in all the knowledge he can. This is a reason why the Packers always put together a competitive team. They have patience with their Qbs and dont to just throw them into the fire.

[@michaelp6794]

Can it really just be the GM and the coach when they keep changing those two things and nothing changes. I think a bunch of Mara family members and relatives are making football decisions. It’s a guess, but how can you keep changing GMS and coaches and get same result.

[@puddinghead251]

Fire everybody gm’s most important thing is to draft well and he has not. Daball had 1 good season with an easy schedule and has the worst offense in history

[@richrucci6908]

Years from beating Philly & Dallas smh disgusted

[@MPAL81]

Don't take a QB and trade back? Good Lord, how do you have a job talking about sports? Without a QB, you have nothing.

[@FakeLiberalThuug-h1k]

Billionaire owners don’t care they are too rich and Mara is a a trust fund kid to begin with. He is too comfortable

[@louiswomble5609]

Giants need to build up a fierce offensive line, better d line and secondary, trade for a solid QB. They have a solid receiving corp decent rb’s, and continue to build from there. I just think it has to start with a competitive O line. I’ve been saying this to my friends for years…cmon, look at that 90’s Cowboys line…

[@TalkingToTheBirds]

3 miserable years? Daboll was coach of the year and won a playoff game with a roster everyone who knows anything about football didn’t think would win more than 4-5 games. He hasn’t had a qb, and he’s had Tommy DeVito, Drew Lock, Tim Boyle and Daniel Jones out there at the one spot that have to be good for anything good to happen. Sal is one of the dumbest people ive ever heard. This show is awful.

[@shanehall8447]

Did they expect a competitive game?? I sure didnt..

[@ZZSmithReal]

Why is it not proper to evaluate a GM on three seasons? This is not baseball. With players who come right from the draft and a schedule that takes into account your record there should definitely be progress. And they've gone backwards.

[@Yesboiii99]

“You could go hire Ben Johnson” Will he even want to come here when the owner fires people every 2-3 years

[@athens_1psvr31]

Shut up. Let them at least pick their biggest and most important positions. If your boss made you use old failing equipment then blame you for not keeping up or making things better would you expect to be fired or given a fare chance to succeed.

[@paulmysliborski4832]

Stop all the arguments. This team will be a laughing stock until Mara sells the team. PERIOD.

[@ramongonzalez6653]

This season is over I do not care to see Giants win another game this season! I want the no one overall pick or at least the 2nd pick overall so we can draft either Cam or Sheduer. Winning any more games this season can knock the Giants out of the 2 top QB's in the 2025 draft.Last season Giant beat Wash twice, NE, Cards, GB & Philly and all we needed was one less win and Giant would had been picking in the top 3 2024 draft and would had our future franchise QB!

[@ccrider-]

Giants are 7-8 years away from being respectable.

[@robertkuhn-qr6vb]

@ccrider- I don't want to be a debbie downer, but there is no guarantee of that. You have to understand that a capable GM and Head Coach is difficult is hard to find. And John Mara has proven that!

[@vincentcupo9004]

Team has zero pride.

[@richrucci6908]

Brian Burns overpay!!!!! Schoen’s gone! Where’s the game changing plays?!!!!!

[@robertsantos8613]

First it's been bad two season not 3. Give them 5 years qb this draft then let's see

[@craigwoodhall8907]

Greg roman chargers coordinator, helping herbert having a great season from new Jersey is that matters

[@tboneuri]

You’re letting emotions take over instead of thinking rationally. Trading back? Let’s be serious here. Those would just be wasted picks.

[@deanedmund7843]

Hire Louis redick as the GM

[@rickynyc2603]

BT is insane the whole reason the giants are in this mess is because they never drafted the correct QB !!!!1 now he wants them to pass up on another GTFOH

[@eddyaveti3047]

John Mara is enemy #1 at this point

[@domino2009ful]

Get rid of them both…follow Washington’s recipe…new Coach, new QB

[@Yesboiii99]

Take the QB. You never know when you get a QB. The draft experts said Mahomes and Josh Allen were reaches and were down on Lamar…all three are MVP caliber players

[@healthyone100]

right its a total crap shoot you just gotta get lucky!

[@thereandbackagainhv]

Am I the only one who thinks the GM needs to go first then give the players an opportunity to play for Daboll once the albatross of knowing the reason you can’t compete is because your GM thinks he’s the smartest guy in the world will be gone

[@thomasgallagher7092]

I do feel for John Mara He looks so distraught and disappointed about the Giants progress. He did hire , 3 years ago, the highest rated coordinator and assistant gm from a winning organization (Buffalo). The bottom line is , Schoen has bombed on his drafts and FA signings. Mara needs to blow it up again and start over. This is so reminiscent of the 1970’s again its going to take a miracle to climb out of this.

[@F7XG450G550]

From a jets fan who wishes the giants the best, don’t make the mistake we did and keep a horrible GM (Joe Douglas) too long.

[@bobbenbrown123]

Draft Cam Ward

[@freedomring3022]

The probably is ownership.

[@markmark8156]

Giants obviously need a QB without one your dead in the water.

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

I agree. Trade back

[@digidice7]

You think Ben Johnson is coming here? I agree the current regime stinks, but come on

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

Panic firing never works. I’ll give the guys with a playoff win two years over Arthur Smith as HC and Dennis Hickey as GM. No GM is going to be hired from outside again.

[@vincedidiana5781]

I think Ben Johnson goes to Chicago. They have a qb. Kid has played well this year despite an awful O line. However, with them taking a qb at 1, maybe Johnson would come here. He gets the qb of his choice and a FAT paycheck. I think Chicago is the slightly better job though. More talent.

[@g_money0013]

I dont understand this narrative of we will ruin a qb we horrible because WE DONT HAVE ONE

[@kevinlang9792]

In year 3 of Schoen/Dabol the Giants are the worst team in the league. They can't get worse than worst. Fire everyone.

[@kenyattewhaley5401]

Yo guys, I know this is a talk show, so you have to talk. You guys have to relax.It's a tank. This is what a tank looks like. And giant fans don't listen to BT, he's talking about our team like he's ever seen a superbowl in his life. He thinks like a jet, and guys let's get it out in the open. They're losers.They are the original losers ,forever, losers. Aaron rodges was a hall of fame quarterback, until he put that Jets jersey on.😂

[@kingofhearts5789]

Factsssssssd cleannnnn houseeeee

[@georgemcquarrie4322]

They should have their own quarterback to build around Mara screwed this team up

[@Lennox1224]

Schoen shouldn't have given Jones that extension, everyone except him knew that, he should be fired for that reason alone.

[@athens_1psvr31]

Fare Chance to succeed PLEASE.

[@georgemcquarrie4322]

Mara held them hostage with Daniel jones keep dabol

[@Johnmarzuillo-zm2ry]

Mara and Tisch are too old

[@stevenkerdman7729]

Fire Shoen He Has Assembled A Shitty Roster Nobody Can Win With That Roster

[@lonniebeard5451]

The owner had old timers this way he needs to sale the team

[@Lennox1224]

Is this supposed to be English ?

[@tuerebarnes]

Usually they have good takes but today both takes are terrible

[@KBIbanez1989]

These two guys are clowns. Better QB and they probably are in the playoff hunt midseason. Now they are completely decimated with injuries so it looks a lot worse for sure. Coaching and talent acquisition needs to be improved for sure

[@anthonyguidice2655]

Why are you both yelling?

[@81MROMAN]

Can’t trust advice from a Jets fan lol they have been tainted

[@Johnmarzuillo-zm2ry]

Trade back take Graham collect more picks

[@alexc2680]

Het Daboll, better check the tape to see how bad you and Joe suck! This should be unacceptable for a once proud franchise.

[@tariqs4357]

EMBARRASSING!??? Embarrassing is all the MUTHA🤬 that thought & co-signed choosing Dj over SAQUON BARKLEY was a good idea!!! you get what y'all paid for! STUPID PRIZES! THAT'S EMBARRASSING!!! 🤡🤡 Cutlets doesn't look as good w/o SB & neither did DJ and where is he at? CRASH DUMMIES!

[@kingofhearts5789]

They need to also get better offensive line ww need LT RT and more and QB not just QB alone

[@chewade4146]

Dweebs it’s two years daboll won coach of the year! Then last year rallied the team to win meaningless games.. get rid of the gm he made the team this bad

[@deenyce2216]

Extend the GM and Coach for me two years. They didn’t choose their QB. You fired them it’s more turn over. It doesn’t sounds like Dabol has loss the locker room

[@baxatakbaxatak2014]

Exactly. Finally some reason.

[@nd-xx9cd]

Agree. Roster is terrible. Better qb play and they’re hovering around 500. If we do t give dabs a shot at his own qb this feels like a complete waste of time.

[@mytubethis2106]

I agree, let them get their own quarterback and judge them after. Houston a couple years ago was a dumpster fire, they got their QB and look how quickly things changed. Those same players all of a sudden are really good. A franchise QB changes things quickly. Look at Washington this year.

[@jrb37300]

They chose their quarterback, when they resigned Jones to that huge contract.

[@robertkleinschmidt1029]

There's less talented teams winning games...No one is going to want to come coach with Daboll let alone play for him. Dabolls Jayden Daniels interview on hard knocks was embarrassing. The look on Daniels face was priceless. Daboll couldn't even find a defensive coordinator that wanted to be a lart of his staff until the last resort Bowen. Nothing will improve until a quality staff is brought in here. Today in the NFL the staff is more important than ever. Daboll has no business being a HC. The only reason they were successful their first year was defense and a weak schedule..Two things Daboll has nothing to do with..Daboll currently has the worst offense in the NFL with a 23% win percentage. He's a horrendous HC.

[@LFGM24]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nmiXfWdsfNyajasfeature=shared Watch Bobby Skinner make the best case for letting them go. In Philly these 2 clowns wouldn’t have lasted this long. In Philly Jones would’ve never been extended. Philly has dominated for 2 decades in the NFC east. Because they have balls. Mara has NONE !!!!!!!!

[@richterminatortorres7195]

You to guys are the clown show unbelievable contradictions left and right

[@sethrollins9647]

Wfan is the same crap every week talk about the giants jets disaster talk about Juan Soto like change it up

[@ccrider-]

I listened to WFAN for about 30+ minutes yesterday and not a single caller wanted to talk about NY football….only wanted to talk Mets and Yankees.

[@beholden1663]

@@ccrider-that’s what happens when both football teams are awful. But the Soto talk is overkill now and boring until Spring training.

[@johnt4774]

This show is eh

[@Mj-bg2uj]

I don’t care what the turnover is , I want them gone .. Daboll is the worst coach in the NFL .. not 1 redeeming quality to his coaching and nobody elevates to play for him .. Other coaches in the league have turned 2nd and 3rd string QBs into starters and Daboll can barely get his guys to look competent.. We got rid of the only QB on the team that can actually take a hit without being getting hurt .. 3 years is more than enough time to know whether you’re trending in the right or wrong direction and the Giants look worse than ever .. The GM sucks and we have no talent and the coaching is even worst .. move on , stop making excuses for this loser regime .. I’m tired of listening to the Daboll apologists.. Go back to 2022 and take away Jones 700 yds rushing and 7tds that came on broken plays and Daboll isn’t COTY .. Guy is a fraud ..

[@ariea.devalois1564]

Every quarterback looks the same under this coach. That's not a great look for an "offensive guru" as Brian Daboll is alleged to be. Daniel Jones, terrible and can't score. Tommy Devito, terrible, and can't score. Drew Lock, terrible, but at least has a deep ball and scrambling ability, cant score. Tim Boyle, marginally effective, managed to score, but still probably terrible. At what point is it coaching and designing a game plan that at least considers the abilities of the qb who is playing that day. All of these guys are really different from each other in terms of qb styles and ability, but they all look the same in this offense.

[@Governmentname]

White sweat shirt is dumb