Built On A Pack Of Lies!? BRS 3000T vs. MSR Pocket Rocket 2.0

[@chrisvonpimpenstein]

The major advantage of the BRS (other than price/weight) is that I can fit it, a 100g canister, soap and a scrubbie in my Toaks 550 pot with the lid on. It’s the whole kitchen setup in one 550 pot. Compact and convenient. Since based on the tests they use the exact same amount of fuel, the only price to pay for that compact and convenient (and lighter) setup is how long it takes for me to boil water. Generally speaking, I’m never in a camping situation where 15 seconds matters to me (I rarely boil more than 8oz at a time). Usually if I’m camping, I’m more interested in taking my time and soaking in nature.

[@ryanjofre]

It’s crazy light and insanely small! I love it! I can’t wait to backpack with this Brs Hornet

[@jc9371]

But how do you get those handles not to burn your fingers?

[@carlfields]

I bought my BRS years ago before it got famous on KZbin and it's still going strong. The quality of the MSR is better but not over double the price better. If my BRS ever breaks I'd buy another, and still would have spent less than the pocket rocket. Worth the couple extra minutes for dinner and coffee. Plus it fits in my 550ml cup with a canister, lighter and windscreen. Great video by the way. I always like to check out what you and TOGR have to say about gear. Safe travels.

[@ricdonato4328]

Suggestion on your boil times, put a thermometer in the pot connected to your phone. When the water reaches boil you the exact time. Also, you could immediately turn off the gas obtaining a much more accurate weight.

[@browsman2328]

I live in Northern California and hike in the mountains, foothills and coastal areas. It can get windy there so I settled on the MSR Windburner as my go to stove. Yes it is expensive and heavy but it works in the wind so I’m willing to put up with the cons. I have used it in steady 25 mph wind with gusts even higher. No issues, try that with the BRS.

[@petemainacc]

If wind is such a big issue, just take a windshield with you. That will completely remove the problem. It's not like any exposed burner will do fine under windy conditions anyways.

[@jahayter1]

I have found that most gas stoves running at full blast waste fuel. I think some of the heat is blasted out and away from the pot. Run your stove at half strength. You can still boil your water. Sure, it may take a little longer, but it uses less fuel .

[@jimbrown6139]

I'm not concerned about boil time, but what I notice about the BRS compared to my other stoves is that the support arms are flimsy and often bend to make the pot sit awkwardly on the stove. It is also a smaller support structure. I've lost more than one pot of water to it tipping over in the wind. Can't beat the price and weight, though, if that matters to you.

[@Doobie603]

I know it isnt top notch gear but I have had over 700 meals/Coffee on a Coleman Peak One over a 5 year period and zero issues. It is small and light enough for me.

[@LarryDickman1]

I still have my Peak One from the 80s.

[@84SuperDom]

I personally think it replaces other stoves. I have been using the brs for over three years now and it is solid. It can be blown out in high wind but so can my pocket rocket. I regret spending money on the pocket rocket lol

[@ed8054]

Im definitely a heavier backpacker overall (but im also 200 lbs so its not as big a deal). I do try to use lighter weight stuff, but I just found the BRS stove a bit finnicky when I used my friend's. Decided to get the SOTO amicus with New River Pot Combo. You basically pay the price of the MSR pocket rocket and get both a stove AND an UL pot. I would highly recommend this combo (or the REI combo) for those who think the pocket rocket is too pricey.

[@randyyeager]

worrying about boil time and trying to make it a big deal is ridiculous. If it take you under 5 mins to boil water for a coffee, it's fine, yer outside taking in the scenery anyway....it makes zero difference. And if you think it does matter, yer missing the point of being outside. "I did bla bla bla trail in bla bla bla time" why even be outside if you're not taking the time to take it in?

[@randyyeager]

Go run a marathon, that's where speed matters....

[@baileymoto]

I agree. You’re out enjoying nature…hopefully, not running a marathon. Many folks are making this way more complicated than it needs to be. Either way, I still enjoy these videos. 👌

[@doejon9424]

These types of stoves are geared more towards Rock Climbers in my opinion. When you're literally camping on the face of a mountain & can't start a "normal" fire. Or if you're doing some high alpine camping.

[@randyyeager]

but these days, with all the fire bans, you pretty much have to use a gas or alcohol stove@@doejon9424

[@jibbyjabbatv]

I think it's more about fuel efficiency. If I can boil water faster it uses less fuel.

[@coachhannah2403]

I use a homemade chimney/windscreen with my 3000T, use the stove at minimum. My chimney independently supports the stove. Boil times are somewhere around 5 minutes for 900 mL cool water. Last trip, I did 2x400 and 2x900 mL boils at 1.25 oz fuel. Good enough for me...

[@lawsnewton]

It turns out all the burners are most efficient at a low to mid setting. As the stove flame blows out past the cup base if you max the burner fuel flow. It may take a bit longer but if you care about conserving fuel then maxing out the burner is not a good idea.

[@kvl777]

There's a compromise between those two: Fire Maple FMS-300T - half of weight and price of MSR, but more robust than BRS. My choice is the Campingmoon XD-2F, but I always have the BRS-3000T as a spare in my backpack.

[@davidandmoose1499]

I have many stoves, and a couple of months ago, I bought a BRS, just to try it. I used an MSR fuel canister that had been used a couple of times. The BRS worked fine, but when I unscrewed the stove, the fuel canister did NOT reseal itself. Did the BRS cause this? I don't know, but in all may years of hiking, I have never had a canister not reseal

[@saintagent4715]

Here's another thing to consider, the fuel canisters are of different brands. There is research and proof not all gas cans are of the same consistent mixture, thus affects btu output either for better or worse. Another thing, the cans are in different sizes and contains different amount of gas which also affects pressure and output rate. He's done a good video, but like he said it's not a controlled scientific environment. Test should be redone with two of the same butane canister brands and weighed to be at the exact same level of gas/weight. Offset whichever is slight more if need be and you're good to go. Still i enjoyed the video.

[@jeffwrinkle575]

I own the BRS, the original MSR Pocket Rocket and the MSR Pocket Rocket 2. All three stoves have seen extended use when backpacking and I have found them all to be reliable. Purchased the BRS 3000T because it was cheap and it was what my budget could afford. Over the years as I have added other gear I purchased the MSR Pocket Rocket and the Pocket Rocket 2. My experience with the stoves is similar to your testing. I typically go with the Pocket Rocket 2 when solo backpacking and include the BRS when camping with my kids. The original Pocket Rocket is in my car camping kit as a backup to our Eureka Ignite camping stove. If you are new to backpacking and have a limited budget I would recommend going with the BRS. There is not much difference in the amount of fuel burn and waiting a bit longer for your water boil is not that big a deal to me (My opinion). I agree with some of the other comments that when nesting your cook kit the BRS allows for a more compact and lightweight kit with a Toaks 500ml pot and I have to use a Toaks 750ml pot with the MSR Pocket Rocket 2.

[@wesleyensign8120]

Here is the question no one ever does a test for. If I use this for hunting, which one is louder. I don’t care about an extra minute of boil time if the is a noticeable difference in sound. I would love a test for cook systems that includes sound. Love the videos, keep up the great work.

[@gideonstactical]

I don’t have a decibel gun, but they are both freaking loud. They sound like they’re a jet engine if you’re within about 20 feet.

[@gideonstactical]

If you want to go stealth for hunting, I would go with an alcohol stove.

[@stephenbennett7331]

Did you really test two stoves with different fuel for each?!

[@SOMNIOHM]

_Honestly a rather valuable video!_ _I don't really see other channels doing unique & niche tests like this!_

[@gideonstactical]

Glad it helped

[@georgeseriani2482]

I'm seriously considering the jet oil mini no for its simmering ability

[@bushcraftoz2]

Always interesting seeing testing. The reality is I am buyinf cheap burner and the cheapest fuel can i can find because in truth i will cook on a twig/wood everytime if fire regs allow :-)

[@rungavagairun]

Optimus makes a windscreen that clips onto the collar of the fuel canister. A 750 ml pot nests inside of it when you want to pack it away. It's not the lightest solution (3.1 oz or 88 g), but you can buy the screen and BRS and still save money compared to the Pocket Rocket. Plus, if you know you're not going to be camping in exposed windy conditions, you can leave the screen and just bring your BRS. I took the BRS to the lake to camp on an island and brought my screen. I think it boiled faster because of the screen.

[@redlightchorzow]

I have a question that has been bothering me for a long time and I can't find the answer. On the one hand, I keep reading/hearing that the cartridge should not be exposed to high temperatures. On the other hand, the burner (especially the one screwed onto the cartridge) heats up to very high temperatures and is in direct contact with the cartridge. The problem especially concerns small burners from China, such as the BSR3000. I always have concerns and fear in the back of my mind. Please explain.

[@hypervision1641]

Soto Windmaster, aka. the better and cheaper version of the PocketRocket2, BRS3000 as backup

[@soobz]

Soto Windmaster here is 1.5x the Pocket Rocket 2 and 6x the BRS, and a heap heavier and bigger.

[@billtbodger]

When used with a pot/kettle with a flux ring the BRS becomes both more efficient and wind resistant as the BRS stove will sit inside the flux ring of both my pot and kettle, the MSR is just too large to to fit within the flux ring, the difference it noticable over a long weekend camping

[@jonnyboat2]

I really need to create a back packing camping cooking kit that includes a burner like that. Great video. BTW, this year the fall foliage in western Pennsylvania is awesome. The tree colors are on fire. They are so ridiculously bright, glowing, rich, full and beautiful. A color cornucopia.

[@gideonstactical]

Oh wow that sounds beautiful

[@NZComfort]

Weight and durability… and I would prioritize durability and longevity over weight.

[@archi-mendel]

Haven't used BRS extensively yet, but MSR was pain for me as it got that screw unscrewing all the time making it flimsy and unstable (even had a case when the pot felt and poured out). Sure thing, I always wanted to fix it with blue retainer, but always forgot to do this and only remembered the problem when I was out again :)

[@allemander]

The MSR Micro Rocket stove that I bought on Amazon back in 2016 (and that I only use occasionally) is one I don’t see many comparisons with or even hear much talk about.

[@gideonstactical]

I will have to check that one out.

[@neemancallender9092]

I purchased a copy of the MSR at a fraction of the price, 15 years ago And still going strong

[@ryanjofre]

I just got the tutanium BRS 3000T. They call it the Hornet! Weights under an ounce…crazy small! Amazing stuff. The increased fuel consumption & boil time is worth the tiny size and crazy low weight! They claim 1940W power……. …..Boil 1L water 2 minutes 58 seconds.

[@tomd1914]

I'm not too concerned about boil times, but I'd buy the Pocket Rocket or the Soto Windmaster if it meant that I could carry less fuel. But with the type of backpacking I do, I never have to carry more than a single 100g canister. And being that the BRS3000 nests nicely in my cook kit (Toaks Ti Light 650ml) with a fuel canister and Mini Bic whereas the others won't, I'm going to continue with the BRS for now.

[@bobinmontana777]

I use a oilicamp titanium stove, it is small and works great, fits in my titanium mug with coffee packets. They make one with a larger burner, the Olicamp Kinetic Ultra Titanium Stove. Also, I could outfit two backpackers for less cost than one MSR.

[@BeardsBaconTech]

Have you ever tried this new knife? Would you recommend it as a every day EDC, knife or is there any knife this size that’s better that you would recommend instead of this one just wondering before I buy this knife TOPS Knives Sparrow Hawke Fixed Blade Knife (2.5" Gray) SPH-01

[@gideonstactical]

Haven’t seen it yet so can speak to it’s abilities

[@BeardsBaconTech]

@@gideonstactical will you ever do a review of it?

[@gideonstactical]

@@BeardsBaconTech I don’t think so. I usually don’t use mini sub 3in fixed blades

[@edrader]

@@gideonstactical but they are en vogue now dude get with it

[@RogerHyam]

The BRS is shorter than the pocket rocket so building a wind shield would be easier. I have a jet boil zip that comes in at 530g. Going light i might as well go with the BRS. By the time I've paired it with a pot and canister its about 335g. With a PR that would be 375g which doesn't save much off a jet boil that is definitely not ultralight but definitely more efficient and wind proof. Whatever i do i can't get more than a 200g (7oz) benefit from taking my clunky jet boil. If i had to do a longer trip the efficiency of the jet boil might save the need to take another canister..Just thinking aloud here ... Oh the joys of decision paralysis!

[@Defunct91379]

Carried my pocket rocket 2 and toaks 700ml wide (wider pot has more surface area improved performance). Amazing performance and much better efficiency than the brs. Most people use the brs for weight saving but I think there are other areas you can cut weight instead.

[@scottm5972]

Great review, man. The BRS being a gas guzzler negates its lighter weight and that it's flimsy makes me think I'd "buy once, cry once" and spend the extra for the MSR.

[@maverick4462]

Honestly, if I'm outdoors and cooking, that means I'm on vacation. Therefore, time has no meaning. My BRS does just fine, faster than my penny stove.😂 tin foil weighs nothing an makes a right fine windscreen.

[@k.whiking4372]

Like you I have both stoves and I have a love hate relationship with the BRS, I find it unreliable in the wind and it uses approx 1 gram more fuel per boil. I boil my water for the meal and coffee separately. Also the durability of the BRS concerns me ( Parts of Australia are very remote and things need to be reliable).

[@coachhannah2403]

I carry a spare in my emergency kit. I have had one break.

[@GuitarsTheory]

There is a great windscreen made by another company...cant remember the name. Ocelot? Anyways it adds cost but makes it way more fuel efficient. It now rivals my jetboil for a fraction of the cost.

[@StrengthCircusDD]

There is a $13 windscreen for the BRS. Saw it on a youtube video and found it on aliexpress! fits right in the pot with the rest of the kitchen!

[@jonrost5574]

Great job!

[@gideonstactical]

Thanks! Glad you enjoy the video

[@FirstLast-ml7yf]

Uneven flame, not great in wind, and the pot supports eventually get bent and loose. Generally use my Pocket Rocket 1 not this, although I have both. Ok for backup. Agree with flimsiness of BRS.

[@tdiler12]

BRS can actually simmer extremely well once you use it a few times and get the feel of it .but for me all the canister top stoves are a bitch to saute and make elaborate meals with. The burner detached w. a hose stoves are best for stable pot support. BRS is the sh* Its a winner

[@barrybueler3356]

I have the pocket rocket and it has worked great for multiple yrs definitely not looking to upgrade.

[@NordicSnowhammer]

I have the both. To be honest with you, they both boil water. To be REALLY honest with anyone, I prefer my Traingia alcohol stove. Quieter.

[@thefucrew9865]

What is the weight difference between the regular BRS, and the titanium version ? And does it really matter at that difference ??

[@gideonstactical]

My understanding there is only a titanium version

[@WayneTheSeine]

The BRS price is hard to beat, particularly given it is made of titanium, is light and small. The MSR is a well-proven tank of a stove. That being said, the $33 savings on the MSR would buy a lot of gas. Not trying to nitpick or troll the method but I would think you should use a pencil and mark the floor exactly where the tank sat in reference to the fan, not in distance but where in the wind stream it sits. For instance, one sitting dead center of the fan hub will not get the same velocity or pattern as one sitting further out from the hub. One sitting a little to the left or right could make a significant difference. I would also ensure the orientation of the stove pot supports is the same as they provide an obstacle to the wind. I know you are looking for results that mimic in-field conditions as far as boil times go but I would also do the test with the top off....watching for steam with the lid on is a bit subjective. Yeah, maybe it is nitpicking but all things must be as equal as possible to get accurate results. More likely than not, the results would be similar....but who knows?

[@gideonstactical]

Sure not an exact science, but I was measuring for the center of the fan to the burner and I alway use a lid when backpacking so I would say if I was off it it only be by 10-15 specs since the pot shark’s right be for steam.

[@WayneTheSeine]

@@gideonstactical Good deal, yes, as I pointed out the result would likely be close. Thanks for replying.

[@edrader]

i think i'd carry the brs as a back-up to my soto amicus

[@itywhat6499]

Great Demo...I have the original Pocket Rocket, The Pocket Rocket 2, Soto 'Windmaster', and a cheap Coleman. The reliable original Pocket Rocket has served me for many, many years and is my go-to one. However, I recently bought the Soto and haven't had a chance to try it out. I too live in Colorado. As for the BRS shown here, I think I have enough stoves and probably won't get one. But thanks for the demo.

[@gideonstactical]

Right on! Stay safe on the trail

[@cannontaylor97]

Love your work! Good job

[@gideonstactical]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@neemancallender9092]

Buy a windshield! And it performs very well Thin foil costs nothing and weighs nothing Get a life!!!!! And don’t run stoves at max They guzzle fuel that way You are in the woods What is the hurry to boil water?

[@charlessalmond7076]

I'll stick with my Esbit stove. For me, it simply works. Jmo

[@bogoljubdjordjevic7528]

Come on what is 20 sec you will change the world for that time? 5:43

[@jacuswoczega9180]

Tourist / survival / bushcraft people are fashion driven "now is only one best stove"

[@bogoljubdjordjevic7528]

Jokic is the best!!🎉🎉

[@MaughamThackeray-q4g]

Mortimer Inlet

[@ericwilson4553]

Pocket Rocket Deluxe is better in wind and has a regulator. Should use less fuel with that one.

[@richroc7]

Thank you 🙏 Aaron for doing this video and tedious testing for us. I own neither but I think I’d get the MRS.

[@gideonstactical]

Good choice!

[@dualsportoutdoors]

Why waste pack space with a gas stove? I just use the esbit folding stove. Sure it means having to pick up wood and stuff but it takes up so much less space. Even if you carry the fuel cubes, it still takes less pack space. Gives me more space to carry bigger tools or maybe an extra bit of food

[@muhammadsaadullahsharif9637]

you are wrong , you need to check sea level ,it changes time

[@gabrielbaker2667]

Your Arnold impersonation 😂😂

[@gideonstactical]

I thought you would like that!

[@hi-q2261]

I like these reviews of these little gadgets but I m thinking Most of them are just gimmicks. Made in China is a big NO NO I got a pair of running shoes that fell apart within a week 🤬

[@Mexicanmike87]

What USA made running shoes are you buying?

[@thewatcher611]

Yes I'm interested as well.

[@The2808erik]

Pot shape paired with burner shape plays a big part in boil time and efficiency. Wider pots are generally better, less flame over spill, there are diminishing returns though. The Brs is fine for making coffee and instant meals on the go. For real cooking a bigger stove is better. When I go bike touring and intend to cook real meals you can't pass up the multi fuel stoves from msr you can get fuel at any gas station. If I plan on "surviving" on supermarket foods during my trip the brs only has coffee duty and maybe an instant meal and for its price its good enough.

[@jaredpedersen2436]

Let’s do a scientific test to compare stoves yes a HUGE factor, Fuel, let’s use two different types and cans. 🤦🏼‍♂️ would be a great video and comparison if not for this massive failure.

[@gideonstactical]

Made out of the same stuff

[@yichispiritual]

BRS is way too weak and cheap. MSR rocket pocket - yes it does worth twice, or more $. I would like my stove to be sturdy and safe. If I am afraid it breaks I will bring the alcohol stove as the through hikers do. That little weight and price doesn't worth the feeling of not trusting my stove.

[@lawsnewton]

Feeling is not objective or quantifiable.

[@barryspencer214]

I just knew you are a ryobi guy

[@gideonstactical]

You know it!!

[@Ben-et8wh]

0:27 do you really spend ~$20 on your wifes drink at starbucks? holly damn man, what does she possibly order thats so expensive? lol is there truffle and gold flakes in there or what?!

[@sorearm]

I'll be back

[@coachhannah2403]

I bought a 3000T to replace a whisperlite gasoline stove. Big difference there!

[@ryanjofre]

BYW Why the fuk would you use a butane stove @10k feet 🤣🤣? Get a white fuel expedition stove??

[@urbanoutdoorsman]

Good idea, questionable test application. 1. Guessing the boiling point by looking for steam from a covered lid is highly subjective and susceptible to easy manipulation . Doing a side by side boil test without the lid would reduce vagueness. 2. Using different gas canisters for each stove also makes the comparison irrelevant. It's like saying tangerine and grapefruits are both citrus fruits and they ought to taste the same. I'm sorry Aaron, I liked many of your other gear tests but this video and your title makes it smells too much like clickbait.

[@randyyeager]

I call BS on the durability. They hold up fine. I can buy a BRS for maybe $12. 100% of the reason you buy a BRS, is that it costs you a 10th of what the Pocket rocket does. Not even mentioning the price shows heavy bias.

[@scottm5972]

He did a price comparison, $17 vs $50. "Ten times more" you say? You're the one with the BS lol.

[@papageorgi]

You're a dummy, don't comment on things unless you actually WATCH THE VIDEO

[@randyyeager]

@@scottm5972 10x was just me pointing out their is a big difference, you can get a mini stove from china, that works well for $5.39 USD right now. It's the original BRS 300. The aluminum/stainless steel version of the BRS 3000T. It still weighs less than the pocket rocket 2.0 does.

[@randyyeager]

@@scottm5972 the biggest problem with the Pocket rocket line (And most American brand name products), is the price. They cost more to make, but not 9x more. It's all about making crazy profits off each piece, instead of making the same profit because they sell way more by making the price reachable by most people.

[@datacipher]

“My crew” lol. At least 10 years ago KZbinrs tended be authentic - not well funded faux influencers.

[@gideonstactical]

My crew is just my friends and family

[@datacipher]

@@gideonstactical lol. Uh huh. That’s a funny way to describe friends and family. A real mountain man eh? All your videos are shilling products or talking both the latest gear. Sorry bud not buying it. You know as well as anyone how many influencers are poseurs…..

[@onesky8647]

Erin needs a white lab coat, for science. :)

[@gideonstactical]

Totally!!!

[@johnnyquest5942]

Thank you for showcasing these stoves . They both are amazing however the china versions I stay clear of . I have an oversion to made of China .

[@JD-kf2ki]

I am prone to stay away from Chinese products.

[@mountainjeff]

Strangely, seems like 1st world problem. Are you dodging bullets? lol

[@gideonstactical]

Umm…no testing gear

[@mountainjeff]

@@gideonstactical yeah, ok. Reliability and efficiency would be my benchmarks. Cost secondary. Weight difference seems negligible. Just saying, who is really out there "roughing it"? I mean, did you drive there in your Land Rover? I enjoy your channel.

[@steveekata7725]

Wife, coffee order = truth. Just text it and I’ll read the order like a book.

[@aminasshaari7109]

This is just a big huha out of nothing. All this test for a $20 stove?!

[@gideonstactical]

But I love huha

[@aminasshaari7109]

@@gideonstactical me too 😁

[@Jaecht88]

Do you have to do stupid faces in the thumbnail?

[@gideonstactical]

Definitely

[@JanelleWilliams-i2d]

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