Gigabyte Thunderbolt 4 Maple Ridge, ASUS, MSI and ASRock

Gigabyte Thunderbolt 4 Maple Ridge, ASUS, MSI and ASRock
The Pin out is the key. Each Manufacturer has chose a different Thunderbolt Motherboard Header. ASUS - 14-1 Pin; Gigabyte 5 Pin + 3 Pin; MSI Thunderbolt 4 Built-in, ASRock - 5 Pin!
1. Gigabyte GC-MAPLE RIDGE (rev. 1.0) Key Features
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2. Gigabyte - Intel Z590 - Motherboard
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3. Gigabyte - Intel B560 - H510 - Motherboard
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A. AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-core, 32-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor
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B. ASUS ProArt B550-Creator AMD (Ryzen 5000/3000) ATX Content Creator Motherboard (Thunderbolt 4, Dual M.2, PCIe 4.0, Dual 2.5 Gb LAN, DisplayPort/HDMI, USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-A and Type-C, and RGB headers)
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6. ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 - Tech Specs
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7. ASUS ThunderboltEX_4_Card_Compatible_Model_List_20210310.pdf
8 Products - Thunderbolt Technology
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9. Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) - Thunderbolt Technology Community
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10. ASRock - Thunderbolt 4 AIC
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11. MSI - Motherboard - The world leader in motherboard design
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12. MSI MEG Z590 ACE Gaming Motherboard ATX - Supports Intel Core 11th Gen Processors, LGA 1200 - Mystic Light, 16+2+1 Phase 90A
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13. MSI MEG Z590 GODLIKE Gaming Motherboard E-ATX - Supports 11th Gen Intel Core Processors, LGA 1200 - OLED & RGB, 20 Phase 90A
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14. MSI Z590 Series Motherboards
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15. Gigabyte Z590 VISION D (rev. 1.0) Key Features - Motherboard - GIGABYTE U.S.A-
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18. ASRock - Z590 Extreme
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[@daveycrockett9447]

One of the best new channels (to me) i have discovered. Great explanations and very knowledgeable. I am a new subscriber and fan. Please keep the videos coming. Great stuff!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Davey Crockett, Welcome! Thank You! I'm honored! Appreciate Your Comments! Stay Tuned!

[@That_Stealth_Guy]

Here we go down the rabbit hole again. " The Pin out is the key. Each Manufacturer has chose a different Thunderbolt Motherboard Header. ASUS - 14-1 Pin; Gigabyte 5 Pin + 3 Pin; MSI Thunderbolt 4 Built-in, ASRock - 5 Pin! " Can't they ever decide to really standardize something as simple as motherboard header..👎

[@gillboyd2956]

Hi John! Seems like it, through the looking glass! Crazy stuff. ASRock if true to what they have stated will be the only way on a HEDT. Makes one wonder, what's Up with that! Wonder how this will affect USB4. Time will tell. One Subscriber had asked Gigabyte about their Thunderbolt 4 AIC. Should be out within 2 weeks but which requires 2 Thunderbolt Headers. Nuts! After this, A Thunderbolt 4 Motherboard Unboxing or Two! Stay tuned!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi John, Just realized. Had to switch over. Appreciate Your Comments!

[@That_Stealth_Guy]

@@BuildOrBuy Looks like I'll be watching a couple of Motherboard unboxing videos next month!

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Hi@@That_Stealth_Guy, Outstanding! Thank You! Appreciate Your Support! Stay Tuned!

[@anthemmakersmusic]

great grandma looked white uncle Marshall straight hahaha

[@lexindigital]

Subbed! Thank you. Damn thunderbolt shenanigans.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi MicroAlex, Welcome! You said it! Appreciate Your Comments and Subscribing! Intel is making this more complicated that needed. And the implementation is all over the place. BTW: As if that's not enough! Thunderbolt 5 News! kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6jJoXiGicSifZo Thanks for Watching!

[@benedicitevos3896]

Waiting patiently..

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Benedicite Vos, Welcome! We Appreciate Your Patience and hope We deliver! Thunderbolt 4 Maple Ridge! Stay tuned!

[@WeAreWave]

Thank you for this video!

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[@jeverett0902]

I looked at the manual for the Asus Prime Z590-A and it was ambiguous about whether the ThunderboltEX 4 card goes in a PCH or CPU attached slot, so I wrote Asus support this: When using a "ThunderboltEX 4" PCIe adapter in a "PRIME Z590-A" motherboard what PCIe slot(s) can the "ThunderboltEX 4" work in? Page 2-15 of the Z590-A manual has a picture that looks seems to show the "ThunderboltEX 4" going into "PCIEX16_3" -- one of the CPU attached PCIe 4.0 slots. However, the text on the page says "Ensure to install the Thunderbolt series card to a PCIe slot from the PCH" -- which would be the PCIEX4 slot, the PCIe 3.0 x4 attached to the PCH/Z590 chipset. Does the "ThunderboltEX 4" work in one of the CPU attached "PCIEX16_x" slots, or the PCH attached "PCIEX4" slot -- or either one? ... to which they replied: Based on information received from our technical support department, the card can be installed on any PCIe slot, x4 or larger. Just make sure everything is plugged in correctly such as Thunderbolt header, USB 2.0 header, and 6 pin power cable. ... although, I haven't actually tested to know if tech support was giving me a correct answer, or just any answer so they could close a ticket.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi jeverett0902, Welcome! Very good point! Based on the answer, Tech Support did not understand the Question. Based on Your Question, plain and simple. CPU or Chipset? Not just, PCIe slot, x4 or larger. Only one way to verify! Try and see what happens! And that's what We need to know! Keep Us Posted on Your progress! As We are seeing, just because the documentation says one thing, doe not make it correct! Test and Verify! Is WAS Chipset. It's NOW suppose to be CPU! Or so We are lead to believe. The Thunderbolt Driver model has changed from Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 to Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 supposedly due to tunneling. However, Thunderbolt 3 is suppose to support PCIe tunneling. And could that change in the tunneling protocol procedure be the determining factor. Just a Theory, thinking out loud. Details matter! Thanks for sharing! We have this same confusion whether on Intel or AMD. AMD implies chipset yet the configuration appears to be on the CPU. It's like, Who's on First! Obfuscation!

[@nathanielvitale1698]

Thanks for the video! Learned something.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nathaniel Vitale, Outstanding! Enjoyed Our discussion on Wednesday. You will be Building an excellent Computer for Your Goals! Let me know if You need help! I'll be happy to assemble that for You if You do. Glad We had the time to have that discussion. Knowledge is power only when shared and utilized. Did You get Your RTX 3080 TI? This is exciting! These next 2 videos will reflect Our discussion of Build Specs and Options. The 2nd Unboxing Video will be most relevant to Your Build since that will be the Motherboard You will be using, the ASUS ProArt B550 Creator! Will get those Component links to You shortly. Working on next Video! Thanks for Watching! Stay tuned!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Nathaniel, Welcome! For Your ASUS B550 ProArt Creator Build, Samsung NVMe Boot Drive and WD Enterprise 7200 rpm. We have the most history with those Brands. Due to price, You'll be fine with 1TB NVMe Boot Drive. 1.) SAMSUNG 980 PRO 1TB PCIe NVMe Gen4 Internal Gaming SSD M.2 (MZ-V8P1T0B) - 2nd Generation Drive! amzn.to/34U8eBA As for the 7200 RPM Drive for anything of Downloads, 2TB would be ample. However, based or price, 4TB. 2.) WD Gold 4TB Enterprise Class Hard Disk Drive - 7200 RPM Class SATA 6 Gb/s 128MB Cache 3.5 Inch - WD4002FYYZ amzn.to/3wZQkJU 3.) ASUS B550 ProArt Creator - Thunderbolt 4: amzn.to/3fUAZ7x 4.) Noctua NH-D15 chromax.Black, Dual-Tower CPU Cooler (140mm, Black amzn.to/3uUEMGj 5.) AMD Ryzen 9 5950X 16-core, 32-Thread Unlocked Desktop Processor amzn.to/2RuyLCC DDR4 3200 RAM - 2 Kit options. 6.) 1 Kit of 4 Sticks - CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 64GB (4 x 16GB) 288-Pin DDR4 SDRAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Intel XMP 2.0 Desktop Memory Model: CMK64GX4M4E3200C16 amzn.to/3uTw1MD OR... 7.) 2 kits of 2 sticks each - Corsair Vengeance LPX 32GB (2X16GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) C16 1.35V Desktop Memory Model: CMK32GX4M2E3200C16 amzn.to/3vRJ3eS As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. On RAM, 2nd Option (7) is less expensive. We've done that before. We have to get creative to Build! Have You had any luck finding a Case? Hope that helps!

[@nathanielvitale1698]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks! I'm very excited about this build. Just gotta get that GPU... lol 🤣

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@nathanielvitale1698, Exactly! Do You have anyone to join You, for the wait, on this quest?

[@brusdelawest]

Professor, I have an existential doubt.. Does Thunderbolt 4 support Thunderbolt 2? because I just bought pcie maple ridge to try to use my apollo twin duo that works with thunderbolt2, and your answer would be very helpful to me. (my mother has integrated thunderbolt 4)

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@brusdelawest, Welcome. Very good question. No. Thunderbolt 4 is only backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3. However, Thunderbolt 3 Audio Interfaces are not working with Thunderbolt 4. Thunderbolt 3 is suppose to be backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 2. We can thank Intel for this conundrum.

[@MrImperativeoz]

@BUILDORBUY So much knowledge! Automatic subscribe. Question, can I use the GIGABYTE GC-MAPLE RIDGE with an MSI MPG Z590 Carbon EK X?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Oz, Welcome! Here to help! Knowledge should be shared! I'm honored! Thunderbolt 4 implementation with full support has become brand specific due to the Motherboard Header Pinouts. As You know, MSI does not have a Thunderbolt 4 AIC. Yet! Which makes no sense since You have the correct Chipset for Thunderbolt 4 support and the Thunderbolt 4 Header - 16 Pin, on Your Motherboard, which is the largest Header Pinout of anyone yet! There's a chance for partial support using the Gigabyte Thunderbolt 4 AIC. We have not Tested yet. This is not like configuring the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC. Not what You wanted or needed to hear. We're planning on an unsupported install. And when We do, We will document the What, Why and How of the Process! Gigabyte Thunderbolt 4 uses a 5 Pin + 3 Pin Header. Pins are not identified. On the Gigabyte Titan Ridge TB 3 AIC, Jump Pins 3 to 5. Keeps the AIC alive. ASUS Thunderbolt 4 uses 14 - 1 Pin Header. Pins are identified. MSI on this Motherboard uses a 16 - 1 Pin Header. Pins are identified. MSI MPG Z590 Carbon EK X; See PDF: Page 35. Pin out is well documented. www.msi.com/Motherboard/MPG-Z590-CARBON-EK-X ASUS comes the closest. But the identifying Pins are labeled differently. MSI 16 - 1 Pin Header. 1 - TBT_FORCE_PWR - 2 - TBT_S0IX_ENTRY_REQ 3 - TBT_CIO_PLUG_EVENT# - 4 - TBT_S0IX_ENTRY_ACK 5 - SLP_S3#_TBT - 6 - TBT_PSON_OVERRIDE_N 7 - SLP_S5#_TBT - 8 - No Pin 9 - Ground - 10 - SMBCLK_VSB 11 - DG_PEWAKE# - 12 - SMBDATA_VSB 13 - TBT_RTD3_PWR_EN - 14 - Ground 15 - TBT_CARD_DET_R# - 16 - PD_IRQ# ASUS 14 - 1 Pin Header. 1 - TBT_FORCE_PWR - 2 - TB_I2C1_SCL 3 - TBT_CIO_PLUG_EVENT# - 4 - TB_I2C1_SDA 5 - SLP_S3#_TBT - 6 - TB_I2C1_IRQ# 7 - N57787112 - 8 - TB_RTD3_POWER_EN 9 - Ground - 10 - SLP_S0_PLT_N_10 11 - No Pin - 12 - TB_PERST_GPIO_N 13 - TB_RTD3_SW - 14 - TB_RTD3_WAKE# This is as far as We have gone. Pins 1, 3, 5, 7 & 9 are same. We know enough to know We need to know more! MSI has 1 redundant ground. Either the Pins are different or the nomenclature is different. I've shared this so You can ponder as We have. Annoying! We don't have enough information for a follow up Video on this yet! To reiterate, MSI only has a Thunderbolt 3 AIC. At this time! us-store.msi.com/Add-On-Cards Marketing hype. Useless. thunderbolttechnology.net/consumer/ This one is useless. Nothing Listed under Thunderbolt 4 AIC at all. thunderbolttechnology.net/products In a nutshell, my suggestion... You're going to have to wait! How long? Nothing announced. My guess would be 12 months or more. That's a complete cycle for Motherboards. And PCIe 5.0 is coming soon! Answering Subscribers Questions has had Us Testing M.2 NVMe PCIe Heatsinks! We have much more to cover on Thunderbolt. Hope this helps! Stay Tuned!

[@MrImperativeoz]

@@BuildOrBuy Wow, amazing information! Thank You, Thank You!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@MrImperativeoz, Absolutely! We need more information from the Vendors. Crazy, right. We should not have to dig for this.

[@wildwedding]

Holy smokes you're good at this. Any possibility of maple ridge working on gigabyte trx40 xtreme? might be sending it back

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Adam Grumbo, Welcome! Thank You! I'm honored! Lots of Reading and Research! Right now, Thunderbolt on TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstation is only going to be Titan Ridge due to the Thunderbolt Motherboard Header and it's Vendor Specific. We thought it might be possible but does not look like that's going to pan out. We need to Build an ASRock System and see what's up with the Bios settings and the Driver. The Maple Ridge Thunderbolt Driver is vastly different than the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt Driver. I say wait for USB4 which so far has been silent. And Intel has already indicated work on Thunderbolt 5 is progressing! Ugh! We covered that in a Video too! I thought Our problem was Bios Support. ASRock shows a workaround on Maple Ridge for Titan Ridge in their Bios screens. But no details. Sparse documentation. I've only read about but have not seen it yet. Hassle right. We've identified 4 Levels of Builds for Content Creation. Thunderbolt 4 is not positioned on the 2 Top tiers for TRX40 HEDT nor WRX80 Workstation. That is most curious. Thunderbolt 4 is being positioned on Entry Level 10 Core and Secondary Level 16 Core Builds. Odd and interesting. As if Vendors think We fell off a turnip truck! When We know more, We'll make another Video! Stay tuned! Appreciate Your Comments! Thanks for Watching! Right now, Answering Subscribers Questions, We're knee deep in M.2 NVMe Heatsinks! I know more about those than I ever dreamed and the Results are absolutely fascinating!

[@StefanUrkel]

@BuildOrBuy I have an MSI z690 Windforce. It says it has a TB4 header. MSI doesn't make its own TB4 card. Do you happen to know if the Gigabyte or ASUS TB4 card (or other card) can work on it? Manual shows connector as JTBT1 and the illustration shows a block that has pins numbered 1 thru 16, with the 8th pin (top row, near center) blank. Doesn't seem like a 5pin and 3pin.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi StefanUrkel, Welcome! Building a DAW? An unfortunate situation We are dealing with! As You know, MSI does NOT yet make a Thunderbolt 4 Add in card. Why? Who knows! Go figure. PITA! Thunderbolt 4 is Vendor Specific due to the Motherboard Thunderbolt Pinout connection. Everyone is doing their own thing! We were working to decipher the Pinouts however, We lost the Drive and that Data and have other issues We're dealing with. Priorities! Some Pins appear to be redundant. Until We know more, be careful. You don't want to risk blowing Your Motherboard! Not what You want to hear but... Hope that helps! These are considerations We need to know about before purchase rather than after!

[@rudinah8547]

Great video! Why are you preferential to the ASRock 5 pin system? I'm thinking about getting the ASUS AIC but waiting on your video for that!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi rudinah, Welcome! Great question! Thank You for Your Comments! This goes to the Motherboard Thunderbolt Header as to how may Pins are required for Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 3, Bios support capability. Maple Ridge has added Tunneling. To enable that feature requires Bios support. For full support of any Thunderbolt 3 or 4 requires Bios support to allocate Memory for Connected Devices. Gigabyte was using the 5 Pin Motherboard Header for Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. They have now added to that an additional 3 Pin Header for Maple Ridge. ASUS chose a 14-1 Pin Header. No way around that as far as We know right now. Only ASRrock has maintained a 5 Pin Header for both Titan Ridge and Maple Ridge. If that's true, We want to see if We can enable ASRock Maple Ridge on a Gigabyte Motherboard that previously only had support for Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. That's Our dilemma. Hope that explanation offers clarity. Thanks for Asking! Stay tuned!

[@rudinah8547]

@@BuildOrBuy got it, thanks! Love that you're doing a full test of the range of these configurations and options. I think for my own sake I'll just keep mobo and aic manufacturers the same

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@rudinah8547, Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! That's what We're trying to determine if this is even possible. The problem is with the Motherboard Pinout for Thunderbolt 3 and 4 due to the changes in the Driver model. We'll see what happens! Stay tuned! In the mean time, yes, keep it simple! Thunderbolt is finicky enough as is! But once properly configured, Thunderbolt 3 is good to go! Thanks for asking!

[@DKWAYN3]

This is a maze & a puzzle with missing pieces. I understand, definitely have to go over my research again. What if the main objective was referring to an Audio workstation which requires a Thunderbolt 3 interface, which is capable of upgrading to Thunderbolt 4? If that's too complex stick to just thunderbolt 3. Where would I go AMD or Intel ? Who are the top 3? #1 ASRock, #2 ASUS or #3MSI? Through my research I'd choose AMD & ASRock for a professional workstation. I.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi DK WAYNE, Welcome! Absolutely! Just now seeing Your message. KZbin held for Review and is just now showing me! From Our Research, Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 is easy to implement. However, Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 is Vendor specific. In other words, choose Your Motherboard Manufacturer. Let's sort our Your primary Goals. 1. Audio - HEDT or Workstation? Lower... 2. Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 is on HEDT or Workstation. 3. Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 is on lower end Computers. 4. We have identified 4 Levels of Builds for Content Creation and or DAW. A. 10 Core CPU - Gigabyte Z590 Vision D B. 16 Core CPU - ASUS ProArt B550 Creator C. 32 Core CPU - HEDT - 2 x16 and 2 x8 PCIe Slots, electrically. D. 32 or 64 Core CPU - Workstation - 7 PCIe x16 Slots, electrically. If We choose by CPU, Yes AMD. If We choose by Brand of Your 3, ASUS. If however, We choose by Thunderbolt 3 and HDET or Workstation, Gigabyte only. Good to see You doing Your homework! Anything We can do to help, please let me know! We can talk about Chipsets, the foundation of the Motherboard. Success on Your Quest!

[@javaskull]

Good detailed video, i now get how it works. Not sure if I want it.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi TheG, Welcome! Definitely PITA! USB-C 40Gbps Thunderbolt or USB-C 20Gbps 2x2. Appreciate Your Comments!

[@MIMohammadi]

Thanks for the great video. Am I right to assume that GIGABYTE MAPLE RIDGE can add Thunderbolt capability to a non-Thunderbolt motherboard?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Mohammad Mohammadi, Welcome! Looks like We're going to have to do another Video on this Topic. To reiterate, You'll have partial support! You'll have to Test and Verify if that's feasible with Your Hardware to NOT have Bios support. Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 implementation is Vendor specific. Every Manufacturer of Motherboards is using a different Pin Out for the Thunderbolt add in card Header cable, 5 Pin, 5 + 3 Pin, 14-1 Pin, etc. And the Driver model for Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 is different than the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3.

[@NikolaiCherepanov]

@@BuildOrBuy if I’m not mistaken you can short pins 3 and 5 on a titan ridge card and skip the cable, also if I’m correct the TB header is not used for data transmission but for the security features of TB? I see a lot of Mac people who have the pro use these cards and they always talk about not using the cable and then shorting the 2 pins

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@NikolaiCherepanov, Yes! However, to reiterate, no Bios support to set Memory Aputures for Thunderbolt Device Connectivity and Enumeration. It's hit or miss. Devices may Connect and Disconnect at random since not enough Memory allocation is possible. There is a small default Memory allocation but very small. Jumping Pins 3 to 5 works for some but not for everyone. And that was for Thunderbolt 3. Thunderbolt 4 is vastly different. The next step for Thunderbolt 4 is USB4 and that requires PCIe Tunneling which requires Bios support to enable that feature. We'll touch on USB4 PCIe Tunneling in another Video about USB-C and Thunderbolt and the new Z690 Extreme Chipset. Technology marches on!

[@NikolaiCherepanov]

@@BuildOrBuy Thanks for the information, I have typically always bought boards with built in TB support out of the box not because I need it but if I ever want to use it to say get my computer off the desk and run a single cable to a dock and plug everything into the dock.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@NikolaiCherepanov, Understand. We have had other Viewers make that Comment about other Users doing that. Of the 3 things Thunderbolt can deliver, We focus on Data Delivery or Audio interface! And We keep Systems close due to Hot Swap / Hot Plug Drive capabilities!

[@lilchulochulito]

Really good video incredibly good explanations!! I just bought a ASROCK TB4 AIC, and I have a Msi x570 a pro, AMD ryzen 9, I see on the mobo, a 5 pin and its written jt1 on it. I read it was a power test for the cpu so I'm confused and whether I can use it for the thunderbolt card 🙃

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi StereoKilla, Welcome! Thank You for Your Comments! Just now seeing Your message! KZbin stuff! Thunderbolt is a conundrum! And should not be that way! Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 implementation is Vendor Specific. Unlike Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 which was more generic. In other words, I'm not aware of an MSI add in card for Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4. Looking over the PDF, MSI x570 A Pro Motherboard is not setup for Thunderbolt. No Bios support! If it was it would only be for Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. And it is not. The Driver model is vastly different from what We've seen as well. You might be able to get partial support with Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. We've only tried it using the Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 Controller card. There will be no Bios Support. Meaning no way to set the 2 Memory Apertures for Connecting Thunderbolt Devices. No way to set Security Levels either. It's hit or miss. If You want Thunderbolt 4 Support, suggest a different Motherboard. What are Your criteria? MSI 1st? Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 2nd? We'll take a look and see what We can find if You like. MSI does have Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 but only built in. No Add In cards that we're ware of... Yet! And Intel is already talking about Thunderbolt 5! Ugh! We just want to make it work! And keep it simple!

[@CAneedswater]

Hi, I have a Dell Inspiron 15, 5584. I need some extra ports to hook up several different pieces external hardware. I went online to a Dell blog. A guy with the same laptop as mine, said he was going to try using a D3100 docking station. This somebody else with the same laptop said oh no, you need a WD 19S 130W. So, I go onto Amazon and they seem to have 2 different(?) D3100. One has a lovely 2.6 review rating and the other is Amazon's Choice and it has a 4.6 rating. The only difference I can see is the Amazon Choice is Dell USB 3.0 Ultra HD/4K Triple Display Docking Station (D3100), Black and that's the one with a 4.6 rating. So, what do you think Gill?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi TexasHillCountry, Welcome! Yes! For Dell Inspiron 15, 5584... Dell D3100 Docking Station. At a glance those links 2 appear to be the same. Looking at the Amazon ASIN Number then looking at not the Description but the actual Part Number they are still the same Part. - Item model number: 452-Bbpg is a Dell Part Number. Look at the Seller. - Item model number: D3100 - This Part is Buying on Amazon from Amazon. You want the Item model number: D3100. Both are made by Dell. They are one in the same. To reiterate, Buy the one from Amazon on Amazon. Also less expensive! Here's a Link also with the most Reviews: *Dell USB 3.0 Ultra HD/4K Triple Display Docking Station (D3100), Black* amzn.to/3w0CAOG As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

[@CAneedswater]

@@BuildOrBuy Appreciate your time Gill!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@CAneedswater, Absolutely! Appreciate Your Support! Here to help! I love my Subscribers!

[@arjjunananda]

Hello Gill, your technical videos on Thunderbolt are unique and very much aprreciated. I can be mistaken but can it be that in this video you have not talked about the pin out on the MSI Thunderbolt header? On the Z590 and now Z690 there is often a JTBT1 header for a Thunderbolt 4 add in card but it differs from the one of Asus. So if I would buy a MSI motherboard with such a header and MSI never brings an Thunderbolt 4 add in card to market; is it possible to make another Thunderbolt card of ASrock, Asus or Gigabyte work? With my thanks in advance for your response.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Arjjunananda Das, Welcome! Thank You! Appreciate Your Comments! Our Goal is to Keep it Simple and Make it Work! At the time of this Video, MSI only had Thunderbolt 4 built-in. MSI now indicates I think, correct me if wrong, a 16-1 Pin Header (JTBT1 header) for Thunderbolt 4. And MSI has no indication of a Thunderbolt 4 Add in card at this time. Go figure. Appears, right now, Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 implementation is Vendor Specific due to the Motherboard Header Pinout until We or someone can decipher the Pinout arrangements, can compare and through trial and error give it a shot. And that could be a problem since if wrong, could fry a Motherboard. Whereas on Thunderbolt 3, jumping Pins 3 to 5 gave partial support. Meaning only native support. Meaning, only Thunderbolt 3 and no legacy support. Meaning, no Thunderbolt 1 or Thunderbolt 2. And leaving no way to set Memory Apertures for Thunderbolt Devices in the Bios. Will MSI have a Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 AIC? Let's hope so! And the Bios settings for Thunderbolt 4 are different. So is the Driver model. Gigabyte did not finish Thunderbolt 3 Bios support on their x399 Aorus Xtreme. However, there is a Bios Update that We have not tried yet that might. But does not mention Thunderbolt support enabled. Crazy, right. Thanks for Asking! Stay Tuned! MSI Store for Thunderbolt AIC - Still only indicating Thunderbolt 3 AIC. us-store.msi.com/Add-On-Cards

[@arjjunananda]

@@BuildOrBuy Wow what a great and clear answer.👌👍Thank you very much 🙏

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@arjjunananda, Absolutely! Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Support! Keep Us Posted on which direction You choose for Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 AIC.

[@no_categories]

@@BuildOrBuy Yes this is correct. I just contacted MSI about this issue. The board I have uses a 16-1 Pin Header (JTBT1) but MSI doesn't make a Thunderbolt 4 card that would connect to that header. Right now, it doesn't look like anybody else does either. So, I agree, if the goal is to keep it simple and make it work, watch out for this on the MSI motherboards.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@no_categories, Welcome! Eventually MSI should have a Thunderbolt 4 Add in card. When? Anyone's guess with these Supply issues as they are right now. MSI may not have Thunderbolt 4 as an Add in card as a priority right now. Crazy, right. We can thank Intel for this too. Appreciate Your Comments!

[@rocnroll1715]

Has anyone tried the Asrock thunderbolt 4 AIC with any Z390 motherboards with the 5 pin header, or is that a obvious no go from the start?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi rocnroll, Welcome! Waiting to get Our hands on one! Listed on eBay. Waiting on NewEgg for Stock! Good question! We will not know until We try! Thanks for Asking! Stay tuned!

[@gregorymaughan1401]

Looking for same thing. Have Gigabyte Z390 UD with the 5-pin. Would be interested to find out anyone else’s success.

[@rocnroll0065]

@@gregorymaughan1401 It would be awesome if the Asrock Thunderbolt AIC would work with z390. I've got an Asus z390 Maximus XI Extreme motherboard with the 5 pin thunderbolt header.....crossing my fingers.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@gregorymaughan1401, Still waiting on the ASRock for 5 Pin. NewEgg has it Listed. No stock yet! Stay tuned!

[@lcabane]

Just build an i5 11400F / RTX3060 12G / Gigabyte B560 Aorus Pro AX Rev 1.0 and didn't check before buying a GC-Titan Ridge rev 2 (I only check that the MB has both 5 and 3 pin headers), that my motherboard is not in the certified MB list, but it is on Maple ridge list. Will Titan Ridge rev 2.0 work on this motherboard? Thanks!! Awesome channel!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Luis Cabane, Welcome! Thanks for Watching! Appreciate Your Comments! It should. Have to Test and Verify. However, the Titan Ridge is Thunderbolt 3 and Maple Ridge is Thunderbolt 4. The ASRock 5 Pin has a Titan Ridge workaround setting in Motherboard Bios of Motherboard designed for Maple Ridge. Don't know any more than that. Makes Us wonder what and why. Keep Us Posted on Your Progress!

[@joralsoul698]

Hi I came across your video for I was looking for a add on card for my MSi MPG Z590 Gaming Force MB however I emailed MSi who replied with any card will work but no gaurantee for bios support. My question is. Is there a card that will work with this board?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi joralsoul698, Welcome! As far as We know, MSI is using a 16 Pin, Thunderbolt 4 Pinout Header. No one else is using that same Pinout. Therefor, Thunderbolt 4 implementation has become Vendor Specific. IF You purchase the Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 AIC, You may be able to get it working but as You know, no Bios support. Meaning no way to set the Memory Aperture for Connected Devices. And MSI does not yet make a Thunderbolt 4 AIC. Why? Good Question! The Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 AIC uses 2 Pinout Headers, 5 Pin + 3 Pin. You can try it and see what happens. You should be able to get single Device Connectivity. We need to do another Video on that Topic! Gigabyte Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 AIC amzn.to/3D2yyIs As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. Hope that helps!

[@kurts3779]

I'm a bit confused and wondering if you would know the answer to this. I have the Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Master motherboard which only has a single display port out and no HDMI or other video out ports. I wanted to use the integrated graphics off my 13,900K to run my two monitors but now it seems I'm stuck with maybe having to buy a dedicated graphics card. So my question is: If i bought this Maple Ridge thunderbolt 4 card which I see has a one standard size display port out, would I be able to connect my second monitor to it? I have confirmed that my mother would support it. Please advise if you know, Thanks!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Kurt, Welcome! Great Question! Glad You've Asked! There's lot's here to consider. However just to address what You're asking Specifically, tell Us more about Your Monitors? Brand and Model. First, while We await Your Monitor Specifics, if You get a GPU, why not plug both Monitors directly into the GPU? Second, Thunderbolt can do 3 things. 1. Data 2. Power, if Routed. 3. Video, also if Routed. Thunderbolt does not have Video. Video has to be Routed or Ingested into Thunderbolt to get Video out of Thunderbolt. Think about that. You still will have to Buy a GPU. Thunderbolt is just an I/O Card. Yes, Your CPU / Internal GPU routes Video out through that One DisplayPort connection. Yes, You can get 1 Monitor to use the Internal GPU. Yes, You can connect other Monitors through either directly to GPU or Route Video into Thunderbolt to get Video out of Thunderbolt. Hope that helps! Thunderbolt is Fascinating! So are both the Titan Ridge and Maple Ridge Thunderbolt AICs. Another Discussion!

[@kurts3779]

@@BuildOrBuy Its seems to me from what you've mentioned so far is that this Thunderbolt card won't work for me. I have two Asus, VE278, 27" monitors which each only have one HDMI input and one display port input. I understand that the Thunderbolt card has to have the video ingested from a graphics card(in my case, that would be only be from one display port on my mother board from integrated graphics) but I thought, or was hoping that the one other standard size display port out that is on the thunderbolt could have been exception and perhaps independent to the "ingested" video. I thought the "ingested' video taken by the thunderbolt card would outputted by the USB C/Thunderbolts ports to monitors with those types of ports. Note that there is 5 ports on Thunderbolt card.2X USB Type-C/ 1x DisplayPort 1.4/ 2X Mini DisplayPort. I think I understand now. Looks like I'll have to purchase a graphics card.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@kurts3779, Yes it can work for You. Yes that other Thunderbolt USB-C output port can be used independently for Thunderbolt data something. Just because Video is ingested into the data stream does mean it's used or transmitted unless there's a Device connected to access or accept that Video stream. As long as You understand You'll have to have a GPU and not just the Thunderbolt AIC. Yes Your Monitor will work. Hope that helps!

[@gengpan]

talk only? does asrock TB 4 AIC support TB monitor with X670E LG MOBO?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hello gengpan, Welcome! Good Question! Depends. Which Monitor? If a MAC Monitor, will depend upon Thunderbolt Firmware. For Thunderbolt 4, no. Thunderbolt 3, a definite maybe. If the Monitor is on the Intel certified list, yes. If not, no. Hope that helps! Hope that helps!

[@matrixmodulator]

Thunderbolt 4 on new 13th gen is direct to the cpu right ? not passing through the chipset 7:25

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Matrix Modulator, Welcome! Should be however, We need to see a Motherboard Block Diagram for verification. Otherwise, Up for conjecture!

[@polyphonics557]

Ok....crazy question time as I'm struggling to get the answer on this.......so my current GPU is a ASUS STRIX GTX 970 and it has 1 X displayport out (as well as an HDMI out). So the Gigabyte Thunderbolt 4 Maple Ridge card has two cables for taking two displayport from the GPU to two mini-displayport in the thunderbolt card.....do I/can I....use a HDMI to mini-displayport to populate both inputs on the thunderbolt card or do I really need to look at upgrading to a GPU that supports to displayport outs? Or (for that sake) can one use just one cable if only using 1 monitor? I would test this but currently my existing Samsung S24C570 monitor does not actually have a displayport input........but I am trying to plan ahead now that I have the Thunderbolt card installed. Then a bit more fundamental a question.....am I correct to assume that the reason for two mini-displayports in and one displayport out on the thunderbolt card is because the one displayport out carries both signals (two monitors) and the signal is daisy chained at the monitors?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Polyphonics, Welcome! Great Question! Congrats on getting Thunderbolt 4! However, have to ask, why not just plug in Your Monitor to Your Video card instead of Routing Video through Thunderbolt? Your GPU works for now with the Monitor You have. Your Monitor has VGA and HDMI. Your GPU has HDMI and Mini-Display Port. And Your GPU has Windows 11 support! An Adapter to get from HDMI to Mini-Display Port. $50. A Mini-Display Port Hub. Yes doable. Same. If You can find one to keep Mini-Display Port to Dual Mini-Display Port. Otherwise, more Adapters. All We know of are Mini-Display Port to Display Port. Eventually Yes, get a new GPU. Same for the Monitor. Eventually. Right now both work as is. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! That should be the case, until We can Test and Verify to confirm otherwise. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

[@polyphonics557]

@@BuildOrBuy Hi Gill, thanks for the reply. I am using my current monitor plugged straight to the GPU. What I'm trying to work out is will I be able to go with a new monitor and get a new GPU later as opposed to new monitor and GPU at the same time.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@polyphonics557, Absolutely! We're all about Answering Subscribers Questions! I hear that! Purchase the GPU 1st. Those are hard to come by right now. Scarce as hens teeth! Your old Monitor will work on a newer GPU. Clarity! Hope that helps!

[@anthemmakersmusic]

one dimple hahahah smiling

[@stormrider01]

I don´t understand what header are you talking about?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi StormRider, Welcome! Every Motherboard with Thunderbolt Bios support will have a Thunderbolt Pinout Header. 5 Pin Header, or 5 Pin Header plus 3 Pin Header or 14-1 Pin Header or 20 Pin Header. Depends upon Vendor implementation. The Thunderbolt AIC will include the whatever Pin count Thunderbolt Header cable. There's a single or dual Cable to connect the Thunderbolt Add-in-Card to the Motherboard aside from the PCIe Slot, Power, USB 2 and Routing of Video. Thunderbolt 3 was simple and more generic. Intel tightened up the Specs on Thunderbolt 4. Thunderbolt 4 implementation is Brand specific. That Pin out Header cable is required for Bios support. Thunderbolt 4 is backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 3 only. Thunderbolt 3 is backwards compatible with Thunderbolt 1 and Thunderbolt 2. Hope that clarification helps. Talking in shorthand. For example, ASUS uses the 14-1 Pin Header. Links below. 1. ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 with Intel Thunderbolt 4 JHL 8540 Controller, 2 USB Type-C Ports, up to 40Gb/s bi-Directional Bandwidth, DisplayPort 1.4 Support, up to 100W Quick Charge. amzn.to/3ll8RzX As an Amazon Affiliate I earn from qualifying purchases! 2. ASUS ThunderboltEX 4 - Tech Specs www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/accessories/thunderboltex-4/techspec/ See: Compatible Models: Please note that only ASUS Intel 500 series and later motherboards with a 14-1 pin Thunderbolt header can support ThunderboltEX 4 card. www.asus.com/motherboards-components/motherboards/accessories/thunderboltex-4/helpdesk_manual/?model2Name=ThunderboltEX-4 On Thunderbolt 3 We could jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 AIC alive. Thunderbolt 4 requires Bios support for PCIe Tunneling to be enabled. Tigher Specs. To reiterate, Hope that helps!

[@stormrider01]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for the fast answer and good explanation! Best regards

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@stormrider01, Absolutely! Good timing! Thunderbolt implementation is nuts. 20Gbps USB-C 2X2 is easier to implement on any Motherboard. But if You require Thunderbolt, We have to walk that fine line of Requirements!

[@cyclopephotographie6351]

Have you try MAPLE RIDGE on gigabyte designare TRX40 ?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Cyclope, Welcome. Good question. To USB4... Maple Ridge, Titan Ridge then back to Maple Ridge. What a ride. Give it a shot and see what happens. Otherwise, due to the Integration from Chipsets to Bios to Firmwares, we suggest sticking with Manufacturers recommendations. The latest Maple Ridge includes PCIe Tunneling. And that requires Bios integration and a different Driver model. Thunderbolt is great when it works. PITA when it does not. We can thank Intel for the complexity.

[@cyclopephotographie6351]

@@BuildOrBuy don't understand everything you say! Does it works ? Have you already tried ? I'm on Windows 11! Otherwise do you know of a thunderbolt3 or 4 card that works on designare trx40 and windows 11?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@cyclopephotographie6351, Interesting. We have no idea. Doubtful. Is that clear enough.

[@carlopane4368]

Hi BuildOrBuy, I have an MSI Tomahawk X570, which thunderbolt card is suitable. The manual says "the card needs to support RTD3" but I am quite confused as to which I can purchase.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Carlo Pane. Welcome! Let's see what We can do to help! Do You have 2 Thunderbolt Headers on Your Motherboard? A 5 Pin and a 3 Pin Header?

[@gam3stv]

So many issues with this card. currently can't use it because it doesn't detect my TB4 Enclosure..

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi DANI3 Games, Welcome! Let's see if We can help Troubleshoot Your Problem. Are You game? Pun intended, yes but sincere to help You solve Your Problem. Tell Us about Your Motherboard Brand and Model. To do this right, We have to start from the Beginning. The more Info We gather, the better We can help!

[@gam3stv]

​@@BuildOrBuy My motherboard is a Gigabyte Z690 Gaming x DDR4. So first of all when I got the Thunderbolt 4 card I just plugged the 5+3 tbc headers to the motherboard 2 connectors TBC_1 & TBC_2 and to the card as it mentioned in the Manual (you don't have to connect the Pcie from the power supply) and installed the drivers from gigabyte's website, loaded it up and everything worked just fine, even my TB4 Enclosure.. After that day I wanted to upgrade my ram from 2x8GB to 4x16GB Ram (Total 64GB Ram) I don't remember if I did some Windows updates after that. after the upgrade it just stopped working... I tried removing 2 ram sticks just to test but nothing from the TB4 Card. In the Thunderbolt control Center app it shows when I connect my TB4 Enclosure "Intel USB4.0 SSD" and the connection status is "Not connected".. In device manager I can see the Intel Thunderbolt Controller.. I'm currently stuck and issuing a return to amazon to get a replacement... maybe there's another way you can help me, I will really appreciate it..

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@gam3stv, Ok. Hardware sound right. What do Yiu see in Bios? Do You have 2 Memory Apertures? Increase both of those if possible. That's for Connected Devices and that could be the problem. There are other things We can try.

[@gam3stv]

I just finally figured it out! It was very frustrating and spent almost 2 days on it.. The drivers are such a mess and just uninstalling them or reinstalling windows won't work. 1. I have completely disconnected the GC-Maple Ridge card. 2. reinstalled windows to remove and drivers or "malware" and I also reset my BIOS settings. 3. after installing windows I made sure I don't have any "Intel Thunderbolt Controller" in my Device Manager. and after that I just powered off my computer, connected the card and boom my TB4 Enclosure just popped out. and I didn't even have to download the drivers from the gigabyte website, let the card install its own driver automatically.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@gam3stv, Sounds like a Microsoft Windows Update blew Thunderbolt out! Be on the look out if it happens again! Interesting! Glad You were able to figure that out! And also, Thanks for Sharing the experience! This may help someone else!

[@andreziegler4713]

Has anyone tried the ASrock TB4 AIC on an AM4 Board like the ASrock X570M Pro4? It has thunderbolt support for the older Thunderbolt 3 AIC R2.0 card, the 5 Pin Header, but the ASrock site only mentions the ASrock X570S PG Riptide as compatible for the TB4 card. The TB4 card was out of stock for months and before wasting 100€ I would like to know if this works.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi André Ziegler, Welcome! We wish Thunderbolt 4 were that easy. However, it is not. Thunderbolt 4 implementation is very Vendor specific for full Thunderbolt 4 implementation Bios support. Even the Driver model is different from Thunderbolt 3. To do what You ask would be Trail and Error. And You might have partial support. Meaning, no Bios support. No ability to se the Attached Devices Memory Apertures, etc. Stick to the approved List of Supported Motherboards. Bummer, I know. Hope that helps!

[@andreziegler4713]

@@BuildOrBuy I tried it and it doesn't work. The C Ports provide power ( I can see the status LED of an attached TB3 enclosure is on), but no TB device is shown in device manager. So, yes TB4 requires special support of the motherboard.

[@furynotes]

Hmmm. My old Asrock z270. With CPU lanes going to my thunderbolt 3. Hmmm. My Mobo is an asrock z270 killer sli/ac wifi.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi furynotes, Welcome! Same for TRX40 on Thunderbolt 3 to CPU. That's another reason We need to see the ASRock AIC with 5 Pin Header. Only way to know if it will work is to try and see what happens. The Bios setting We indicated with a Titan Ridge workaround has Us concerned. Big time Hmmm! And Gigabyte is calling Thunderbolt 4 with Video, VisionLink. Go figure. Confusing! And that may be the heart of the problem going from Thunderbolt 3 to Thunderbolt 4 - CPU or Chipset.

[@guilladogui8259]

Hey sir. I have the alpine ridge thunderbolt 3 .. I’m thinking on upgrading my motherboard can I use the thunderbolt 3 card on my future thunderbolt 4 motherboard? It’s kinda. Confusing . If I have to buy the thunderbolt 4 card maybe it’s cheaper to get a native board thunderbolt 4

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi guillado gui, Welcome! Great Question! Yes Thunderbolt is very confusing! Somewhat exasperating! Thunderbolt 4 / USB4 implementation is Motherboard Manufacturer specific. And the Motherboard Thunderbolt Header Pinout is different to each Vendor. Nothing is Generic. Therefore, We have 2 Options. 1. Choose the Motherboard Brand. 2. Choose a Motherboard that either has Thunderbolt built-in or has the ability to have Thunderbolt added. And verify the Vendor even has the Thunderbolt add in card available! Plus Bios Support is essential for Device Enumeration and Configuration. Definitely built-in obsolescence! USB-C 20Gbps 2x2 is so.much easier to implement. But if You need or want Thunderbolt/ USB4 that's the Option. Hope that helps!

[@guilladogui8259]

@@BuildOrBuy well right now i have a motherboard with a thunderbold 3 pcie card thunderbolt 3. the question here is that i want to upgrade my system that means i will get a thunderbolt compatible motherboard but the new ones are thunderbolt 4 . so will i be able to use my same thunderbolt 3 card on the new motherborad or it has to be a new thunderbolt 4 card? .. if i cant use my same card on the new card maybe that can help me decide if should i get a mother board with native thunderbolt 4 instead of buying the pcie card 4

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@guilladogui8259, As previously outlined, to reiterate, those are Your Two Options. Thunderbolt is a Full commitment. And in time will require the same commitment again to keep up. There is another company working on another USB4 Chipset but not released and not announced only talked about yet so We don't know how it will connect of said Chipset will only be available on Motherboards hard wired. Based on how Intel has Thunderbolt setup, We expect hardwired. The Chipset will be from ASMedia who Designed AMD's Dual X670E Chipset. Fascinating! Keep Us Posted on Your Direction of choice.

[@guilladogui8259]

@@BuildOrBuy thank u sir . I know but sorry what I meant is if the new z790 motherboard that has the thunderbolt 4 header is backward compatible with my current thunderbolt 3 pcie card? Do u know ? Or it has to be 4?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@guilladogui8259, Ok. Got it. Short Answer, no. The next Question since You want or need Thunderbolt is 1st the Motherboard Chipset. Intel Z790 or AMD X670E. So You're choosing Intel Z790. Ok. Next Question. Pick a Motherboard Brand. ASUS Outsells all other Motherboard Manufacturers 2 to 1. Historically if choosing AMD, Gigabyte. If choosing Intel, ASUS. And if Building a Server, Supermicro. Ok. If using ASUS then by Chipset, Z790. And look at every ASUS Z790 Motherboard then determine which ones either have Thunderbolt built-in or can have Thunderbolt as an Add in card. Due to Consumer Desktop Motherboards having limited Shared PCIe Resources, if Thunderbolt is Built-in, those required 4 PCIe Lanes are set allocated. If Thunderbolt is an add in card, chances are that PCIe Slot may have Shared PCIe Lanes. Those are the Options. That's the Path. Takes time to look at all of those Specs. The only set List from say ASUS about their Motherboards with Thunderbolt 4 would only be for the Add in card. The Motherboards with Thunderbolt 4 built-in requires digging through the Specs to make that determination. Research takes time. We know. Been there, done that! So to reiterate, Your Alpine Ridge Thunderbolt works as is on that Generation of Motherboard but will not work on a newer Motherboard. Built-in obsolescence. Hope that helps! Now, same is true for Bios Bifurcation technology. ASUS has a Bifurcation Chart that makes that topic easy if You know what You're looking for. The same is not available for Thunderbolt. To reiterate, ASUS has a Thunderbolt add-in card Chart but not a Thunderbolt Motherboard built-in Chart. That would help if such existed. We can start with the Chipset and search from there. Yes Tedious and time consuming. Once You create that List then it's a matter of Your other choices based on priorities. Every Motherboard has different PCIe Resource allocations. All depends upon options and priorities. List Your Top 5 Priorities and see which Motherboard fits those preferences. Changing one thing can change everything! Thunderbolt is a good example. That's 4 PCIe Lanes required! Now the downside of ASUS. Currently no Motherboard Block Diagrams so We can visualize the Layout of PCIe Resources. We have to reverse Engineer and figure it out. That's why We have Motherboard Videos of Slots and Storage for PCIe Resource allocations. One Motherboard, one Video. Outlined. Hope You can see what You're working with. Keep Us Posted on Your Solution. Another Option would be if You wanted to hire me to do that for You. Only takes time. Helps if You know what to look for. But it still requires Research. Hope that helps!

[@kemeraljones]

So Can I get this card on a the AMD WRX80 motherboard? like Asus Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI???

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi kemeral jones, Welcome! Short Answer: Partial support maybe, depends on connected singular Device. Trial and Error. Longer Answer: For Full Thunderbolt 4 support, requires Bios Support to set Memory Apertures in Bios for Device connectivity. Thunderbolt 4 is Vendor specific in implementation due to the Thunderbolt Header from Thunderbolt card to Motherboard for Bios Configuration and Device Enumeration from Bios through Bootstrap to O/S - Windows. Linux can get around that. Windows cannot. We have several Videos on this Topic of Thunderbolt 3 & 4 Implementation and Requirements. To reiterate, ASUS uses... 1. Thunderbolt 3 - 9 Pin Header originally a 5 Pin Header. And there's a special custom Cable available to reduce the 9 Pin to a 5 Pin. 2. Thunderbolt 4 - 14-1 Pin Header We were working to identify the Pins, on Thunderbolt 4, but lost the Hard Drive with all of that Data. Like starting over from scratch! Bummer! Also, the Driver model is different for Thunderbolt 3 vs Thunderbolt 4. We are more likely to get ASUS Thunderbolt 3 working, partially than ASUS Thunderbolt 4, based on what We know from Our experience. Have We tried ASUS Thunderbolt 4? No. Not yet. Why? Too many other Questions to Answer with greater repetition. Our Thunderbolt 3 experience is with Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. On said card We can jump Pins 3 to 5 to keep the card alive. Such may be possible on the ASUS but We have not tried it yet so We don't know for certain. Hit or miss. But... This IS on the List! Anyway... Looks like We need to do a Video on this Topic! There are a lot of Questions on how to do this or that on the ASUS WRX80 Motherboard. Some, easy and some like this, not so easy but needs a Video to Test and Verify! Anything I say is my opinion and not fact until to reiterate We test and verify. No substitute for experience! In other words, We need to try and see what happens! WE know what to expect. Hope that helps!

[@kemeraljones]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much, sir for the quick reply. I don't have the money luxury to buy a miss-or-hit product yet. So I'll stick to the back & front USB-c connections

[@BuildOrBuy]

HI@@kemeraljones, Absolutely! For now, wise choice! We're getting a lot of Questions about Thunderbolt 3 & 4 on Motherboards that should support Thunderbolt 3 or 4, let alone the ones that don't. Thunderbolt should not be so complicated. We can thank Intel for that! We will be doing more Thunderbolt Videos as We get through the Questions from Answering Subscribers Questions about this or that!

[@kemeraljones]

@@BuildOrBuy UPDATE: I contacted the Asus sales team about this: My email: [Product Information] Product Type : Motherboard Product Model : Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI [Problem Description] Dear Team; I'd like to know which Thunderbolt card add-on is supported on ASUS Pro WS WRX80E-SAGE SE WIFI? Their reply: Thank you for your email. Below models are okay and supported by the motherboard • Asus ThunderboltEX 4 • Asus THUNDERBOLTEX 3-TR • Asus ThunderboltEX 3 Kindly provide the unit's serial number if you have already purchased it

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@kemeraljones, I think something was lost in the translation. If that were true, where on the ASUS WRX80 Motherboard is the Thunderbolt Header for Bios support?

[@rodneymims5682]

I NEED HELP!!!! I installed the Gigabyte thunderbolt 4 maple ridge to my computer and it works. I checked the connection by plugging my iphone up to is to see if its delivering out power and connention. however when i restart the computer it freezes during the process. so I would have Shut down the computer by holding the power button instead.. Someone Please HELP

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi rodney mins, Welcome! Tell Us about Your Motherboard, Brand, Model and Chipset? My concern, if You have Bios Support for Full Thunderbolt Support.

[@rodneymims5682]

​@@BuildOrBuy I have a Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. Z590 ud ac x.x... Funny thing is, the thunderbolt works. but when i hit the restart everything just freezes. I removed it and everything work fine. However I called Gigabyte about it and they claim that its the right thunderbolt card for the mother board.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@rodneymims5682, Yes. Have to verify everything first. No Firmware listed for the Gigabyte Maple Ridge card yet. And none of the Motherboard Bios Updates specifically address Thunderbolt either. Have You tried any other Devices besides Your Smartphone? Could be the Smartphone Storage that's holding up the Boot process. We've seen USB Devices stop a Bootstrap as well. Why? Trying to Boot from the Device. If this is Your only problem, not a deal breaker just a hassle. Hope that helps!

[@rodneymims5682]

@@BuildOrBuy well I was going to buy the Apollo interface but it only support the thunder bolt. I installed it and used my phone to see if it’s getting connection or working. I can restart the computer, that’s the main problem…. If I let it sit there for some time it will blue screen giving my hardware issue. But when I removed it; it stop giving me that problem. I have to hard restart the computer constantly when using the thunderbolt.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@rodneymims5682, Ok. A Blue Screen is a Driver problem. Which Version of Windows are You running?

[@wcgebn]

4 minutes 30 seconds talking about being as brief as possible!....6 minues 47 seconds in after talking about being brief as possible and pushing asrock you see a motherboard....this guy talks like a prosperity preacher....I AM FULLY BEHOOTHED!!!

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi wcgebn, Welcome! Implementing Thunderbolt 4 is convoluted and Motherboard Vendor Brand Specific due to everyone using a different Motherboard Thunderbolt Header Pinout. We're Answering a culmination of Questions from Our other Thunderbolt Videos. Perception and Perspective.

[@Hasan_OZ]

I just bought titan ridge 2 and tb4 outs...

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Hasan ÖZ, Gigabyte has produced 5 Thunderbolt Add in cards. The Chipsets are different. 1.) Gigabyte Maple Ridge is Thunderbolt 4. - Intel JHL8540 Thunderbolt 4 controller 2.) Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 is Thunderbolt 3. - Intel DSL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller - Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Controller 3.) Gigabyte Alpine Ridge is Thunderbolt 3. - Intel DSL6540 C-step Thunderbolt 3 controller www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/Thunderbolt-Card ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/193684/intel-jhl8540-thunderbolt-4-controller.html ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/97400/intel-jhl7540-thunderbolt-3-controller.html ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/87402/intel-dsl6540-thunderbolt-3-controller.html Hope that clarification helps! What did You purchase?

[@Hasan_OZ]

@@BuildOrBuy I bought it from amazon and page says Gigabyte Titan Ridge 2.0 with DHL7540 controller but i'm not sure about it, i have to check it when i'm back home www.amazon.com/dp/B08BC11XW8/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_glt_fabc_MJQHDH37V0P9W6PFSMXA?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@Hasan_OZ , Yes, Gigabyte labels the chipset differently than what Intel has defined. No such part number with Intel. - Intel DSL7540 Thunderbolt 3 controller - Intel JHL7540 Thunderbolt 3 Controller One in the same. Anyway, You have Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3. Not Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4. What Motherboard are You using? Why? The Thunderbolt Motherboard Header Pinout is different.

[@CharlieLeemakdej]

Can this one be used with TRX40 Designare mainboard?

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Charlie Leemakdej, Welcome! Unfortunately does not appear to be possible. Vendor implementation is Vendor Specific. A real hassle. If We later learn different, We will make another Video! The Maple Ridge Driver model is also different than the Titan Ridge. We need to Build an ASRock Maple Ridge Computer and see what's going on. Even the Bios settings are different from what We've seen with Titan Ridge Settings. Agree, We should have or be able to enable Maple Ridge on TRX40. However, USB4 is still on the horizon. Right now, crickets! But USB4 is suppose to be Thunderbolt 3 compatible which means there will be a USB5. At which point We'll be using PCIe 6.0. So for now, the annoyance, Titan Ridge is it for TRX40 HEDT and WRX80 Workstations. Thanks for Asking! This is still a work in progress as far as We're concerned! We will continue to Research this issue! Stay tuned!

[@CharlieLeemakdej]

@@BuildOrBuy Thank you very much for the clear answer and looking forward to seeing your great experiments.

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi@@CharlieLeemakdej, Thank You for Asking! Appreciate Your Comments and Patience!

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[@aditraj4492]

Can we use this with x570 aorus xtreme

[@BuildOrBuy]

Hi Adit Raj, Welcome! Great Question! Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4 implementation is Vendor Specific due to the Thunderbolt Motherboard Header(s). On Gigabyte , 5 Pin + 3 Pin. On the Gigabyte x570 Aorus Xtreme, Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 only. 5 Pin. www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-XTREME-rev-11#kf 1. Depends upon the Motherboard Revision if the required 5 Pin Header is present. Not on Rev 1.0. On Rev 1.1, Rev 1.2 and should be on Rev 2.0. Cannot currently access that page. 2. To reiterate, Gigabyte Titan Ridge Thunderbolt 3 only. 5 Pin. No Maple Ridge Thunderbolt 4. Requires: 5 Pin + 3 Pin Header. www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-AORUS-XTREME-rev-11#kf Bummer right. Hope that helps! Thanks for Asking!

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