Gil's Arena ERUPTS Debating If Athleticism Is A Skill

[@ThatSomGuy]

Gil literally gave the best answer. You can tune your engine up but the motor you have is what you have. If you were born with a 4 cyclinder you'll never outhaul a V8 no matter how much tuning you do. Everyone is born with genetic limitations. If you're 5ft tall you'll never be an NBA center. Athleticm is the same, your muscles, tendons and ligaments can be trained and maximized to your potential but once your limit, that's all you can do.

[@704jizzle2]

My guy U NEVER PLAYED ANY SPORT SO BE QUIET U CAN INCREASE YOUR JUMPING AND VERT GOOFY

[@chrispritchett1887]

Hence why yt people are terrible at everything

[@averywealthyman4194]

Not inventing things and building the world around you ​@@chrispritchett1887

[@bosseduppat2358]

@@chrispritchett1887 unnecessary my brother

[@HonorOneAbove]

Tell that too, Saitama. Athletism is a skill. Everything can be learned unless you're handicap

[@DameUchiha]

I can’t believe that so many people didn’t comprehend what Kenyon and Gil were trying to say. It’s actually simple

[@newagain9964]

Kenyon just not good at articulating most of his answers. So he’s limited in explaining things.

[@MyBigMeech]

TBH I think KM explained himself very well. ​@@newagain9964

[@DameUchiha]

@ well let’s be honest they’re all ex athletes, not English teachers.

[@newagain9964]

@@DameUchiha athletics > English degrees and teaching English

[@DameUchiha]

@ lol. Sad but true

[@Zayovaeast]

The perfect example of Gil’s argument is Zion Williamson. There is no other explanation for his jumping ability given his natural size. How many other 6’6 300 lb kids have a 45 inch vertical?

[@VvVT734]

He’s a grown man that has been jumping regularly since a very young child lol that’s how you explain it Zion hasn’t had a 45 inch vert his whole life

[@VvVT734]

Also he hasn’t been 300 lbs most of his life lol

[@stejanhulett6265]

​@@VvVT734well in high school as a teenager he was already jumping out the gym go back and watch the highlights he look like hulk amongst children he was doing east bays 360 windmills aint no regular 15 year old aint doing that

[@ir7817]

In higschool he was playing against what looked like babies 😅​@stejanhulett6265

[@ddavis8988]

​@VvVT734 Dude I been jumping since I learned how to walk, and I don't have a 40-inch vertical.

[@thahiphopdoc]

I don’t normally comment but as a Family/Sports Medicine Doctor had to chime in on this one. Two athletes training in the exact same way for vertical jump improvement would experience different results due to genetic factors- muscle fiber composition (type I vs type 2 muscle fibers), body type, and neuromuscular efficiency. While training methods are crucial for improving vertical jump, genetic factors and muscle fiber distribution play a big role in determining the extent of the results. Simply stated, with identical training, two athletes could/would most likely have markedly different outcomes.

[@VvVT734]

Right but that doesn’t mean you’re born with some insane athleticism. Everything will have different results for different people. They are arguing like athletic ability cannot be trained which it can

[@edwinachayo3256]

This makes sense. I just think the subject of discussion is open ended. If your ceiling is a 45 vertical, but you are at 40, you can work on it to get to 45, right? I think the best answer based on what you have stated Doc, is you can work on your athleticism BUT you cannot not go past your genetic ceiling. Do you agree ?

[@thahiphopdoc]

@ definitely! Look up the “speed gene”. A lot of research being done around that. The ACTN3 gene, also known as the speed gene, codes for a protein found in fast twitch muscle called alpha-actinin-3. These fibers are common in elite power athletes, such as sprinters and weightlifters. But definitely, if you Max potential is 45 inches and you are only at 40, strength, conditioning, and plyometrics can get you to 45 inches.

[@kingshabazz1310]

Which means both athletes will improve. Gil and Kenyon are saying none of the training helps at all.

[@thahiphopdoc]

@@kingshabazz1310 the training definitely makes a difference!

[@eabakadp88]

"Like Nick son. Trash" - Gil. 😂😂😂 best moment

[@bdukes8075]

Gil a fool 😂

[@GeeCruz-rb3wt]

​gil a cornball..

[@DiceGameBeatzDGE]

@@GeeCruz-rb3wtand you here paying his bills goofy

[@homeboymarcos]

@@DiceGameBeatzDGEaren’t we all then?😂

[@RevengeClips317]

@@DiceGameBeatzDGEhis nba career is paying his bill this is just spending money for DoorDash or sum shit

[@jayp6453]

Kenyon needs to come as the joker every episode 😂

[@PBKRAPS1]

Everything he do funny as hell in the costume.

[@gmurder13905]

@@PBKRAPS1literally everything lol he was just sitting there taking and I was dying

[@badgrass_ph]

Don't make fun of the joker like that, you might get what you fucking deserve. 🤣🤣🤣

[@KadinTooENT]

😂

[@frkkful]

​@@gmurder13905you were on those shrooms

[@kizmvp777]

Like Nick’s son. Right!? TRASSHHH 😂😂

[@GeeCruz-rb3wt]

Lmfaooo na Gil bodied em w this..the way his hair moved when he said trash !!!😂 💀 ☠️

[@charlieprince8671]

😂 😂 😂 legitimately one of the funniest thing I've ever seen lol the audacity rofl

[@GRAND60N2]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@intergalacticmuffin7071]

😂😂😂😂 I spat my drink when he said that

[@Sagittariusking-k9p]

I almost fainted 😂😂

[@cjkey5515]

Vince even said “I jumped higher in high school than I did in the NBA” lol

[@TTJJCC]

Wow, that's a scary thought.

[@750zo]

What does that have to do with the argument.

[@Alias_42z]

@@750zoyou obviously wasn’t paying attention

[@cantbecanceledpodcast]

It’s called gravity. I’m sure he weighed less too!!

[@Atlas365247]

He put on more muscle but that has nothing to do with the debate

[@adingdingdiiing6740]

3:06 Kenyon doing that wearing the Joker costume is too funny.😂😂😂

[@Fier07112]

I was just about to comment this 😭😭😭😭😭

[@thehoboman]

what a dumb argument; training will help you reach your body's full potential which is determined by genetics

[@younglove3362]

To an extent.

[@thehoboman]

@@younglove3362 lol this is biology 101 stuff

[@GA3S_]

You just said the same thing they said. 😂😂😂 thats why he Said Nick son "limitations".. 😂😂😂

[@thehoboman]

@@GA3S_ right, they're all saying the same thing..

[@younglove3362]

@thehoboman If that were true then not all players in the NBA could dunk. You can train to run faster and jump higher. Believe or not, the NBA athletes do it almost everyday. You're just making assumptions. 🙄

[@mical2great]

U can work but its 80% genetics😂😂. Jordan had crazy bounce but when i seen that video talkin about his older brother not makin the league at 5'9 hitting pump reverse slams im like "yea u born with it or not"

[@BDAthleticInsider]

This is the only accurate comment I’ve seen

[@younglove3362]

Want to jump higher and naturally practice jumping? Jump on a trampoline for a living.

[@MikeLoveThyself]

Facts lol

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

his brother was actually a great jumper tho, just short. I wouldn’t say 80% tho either I seen dudes on KZbin go from 24 to 46 inch verts. I was always bad at cardio cuz im more built for power but i started training and got mine way better than i ever thought and better than most peoples. Will i ever be a top marathon runner, probably not but its impossible that im both built for power and endurance, thats just work man

[@TA-ht4jo]

⁠​⁠​⁠@@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmiwhat Gil and Lexie were saying is that you have a threshold or a ceiling and it’s up to you to reach your ceiling. The dude you mentioned that went from a 24 to a 46 reached his limit at 46! No matter how hard he worked, he wasn’t jumping higher than 46.

[@nathaniveyshow]

The costumes takes this episode to another level. Good stuff.

[@jamesball9608]

Dog I’m dying. Every time Kenyon makes a point he shakes his hair and it’s hysterical

[@fitzworld18]

@10:04 That was a true barbershop moment 😂😂😂I love it!

[@Mytubevideos85]

Savage, 😂.

[@Yengoskii]

Savage 😂

[@KioneZaire]

Why it take so long for some of these guys to grasp simple concepts?! An athletic child will get get more athletic as an they grow older and they may be able tap into their full potential with training but an unathletic child won't become athletic with training, they may get a bit stronger and bit better at jumping but they still wont be athletic, it's not that hard to grasp.

[@ddmc892]

Cuz they dumb. And Rashad argue just to argue

[@ddmc892]

Tell him the sky blue and he’ll say it’s turquoise

[@Johnny.Natural]

Brandon talking about how he grew his vertical at 15yr old as if he wasn't still developing, this dude has something missing

[@angelb4232]

Clearly to some people. I always had bounce when I was younger but my dunk were scrappy and closed to sprite commercial. When I started playing pro. My coordination improved, I was more smooth and more explosive. I was you blink dunk type of guy. My vertical didn’t improved, but my muscle got stronger and my hang-time increased. I was able to deal with contact and carry on with my flight, as prior you blow on me and I was crashing on the floor. It is genetic but you can fine tune it. What that dude said, he stopped growing but could dunk better year after year. Yeah you stopped growing but it doesn’t mean you stop developing your body. It just your height that stopped developing.

[@nicholaswilson6251]

U just explained u being wrong if a person with no athleticism can become a bit stronger get a lil faster and jump a lil higher through training then u can improve on ur athleticism

[@wesbesttreacts4515]

Gilbert and Kenyon are right, Damn near every NBA player would have a 50 inch vert if every one didn’t have a cap, c’mon now

[@TheJwalk1234]

That’s not the argument tho. It’s that if you have a nba player with a 30 inch vert you can training to probably get it to 36 inches which is improvement via training is the whole point

[@YungFlashGod]

You missed the whole point of the argument you dumb dumb 😂 listen to what u want to dumbazz

[@704jizzle2]

Y'all don't even be listening you just respond to say somebody right get off your knees and stand up the next time you pee it's FACTS YOU CAN INCREASE YOUR VERT BY WORKING ON YOUR CALF MUSCLES THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY WORKS ON IT THO

[@TheJwalk1234]

@@wesbesttreacts4515 we don’t know that cause you ain’t gonna see a high difference per say from a 31-36 inch vert or 39-42 inch. Least not on camera

[@wesbesttreacts4515]

@@TheJwalk1234 yes you can improve a bit but how many nba players have we seen go from being relatively unathletic to athletic? I can’t think of any. Everyone that disagreed with Gil talked about their improvement when they were literally also going through puberty, not saying their workouts didn’t help but by the time you’re in the NBA you’re already near your cap, the only way you’ll really see significant improvement is if a player is overweight and they slim down, but even then they’re just gonna be a bit more agile, Luca not turning into Zion if he goes on a cut

[@jumpman5150]

You can definitely train for athleticism. However, some people’s genetics on top of their training makes them untouchable. I.e. LeBron, Vince Carter, Dwight Howard.

[@Atlas365247]

Vince trained?

[@chrisevans936]

That's not true. Isaiah Rivera went from a 24inch to a 50.5 inch vert from training. With hard work and dedication you can reach the elite level regardless of where you came from.

[@Briannaghdndn]

@@chrisevans936na some folks just aint got it

[@chrisevans936]

@ unless ur talking about physically disabled people they can improve their athleticism. The human body is capable of a lot.

[@jumpman5150]

@@chrisevans936 so genetics doesn’t play a role in physical development by your logic.

[@barak-rocky-giles2081]

Athleticism is a spectrum. You can train to improve whatever athleticism you have (but only in small increments). Like you can always get faster (up to the limit). However, you can't go from being slow to being fast. If you''re slow, you can just work at being less slow.

[@VvVT734]

This is idiotic lol you can literally train and go from weak to strong slow to fast. Lmao what are you talking about. I’ve played football for years and watched guys go from slow to fast

[@henrydaniels7287]

@@VvVT734Nigga u can’t go from running a 5 second 40 to a 4.3 ion give a damn how much training yo do…It’s genetics. U can only improve so a very slim margin

[@Mrjjoseph1997]

If you’re slow for several reasons that you can control, you can train to be fast. but the top 5-10% of fast people. Genetic superiority plays a hand.

[@SW33T_Dr34M]

Trash comment @barak-dunmy-goober

[@barak-rocky-giles2081]

@@VvVT734 Congratulations. Maybe you're more traveled than I am. I've never seen someone go from running a 6.6 40-time to a 4.4 40-time or seen someone go from deadlifting 50lbs to deadlifting 500lbs. Maybe you have? I have seen someone go from 4.5 to 4.2 and 50lbs to 150lbs (over a long period of time).

[@Dipset415]

Kenyon tall asf😂

[@streetrage42]

Boy caught me off guard when he stood up. Dudes sit down so often you forget how tall these MF'ers actually are.

[@bjrnthebootybandit]

I mean he was a PF

[@jonathanblaze1648]

6'9.

[@JackMeolf]

Cuh knees to his chest sitting down

[@Salterelitemarketing]

@@jonathanblaze1648probably 6’10 fr fr

[@CalSippin]

10:05 That "Træsh" had me dying💀💀💀💀

[@berlingray8058]

Athleticism is a result of Genetics, Skills are a result of Hard Work/Repetition

[@giosam7721]

Whats crazy is both statements can be true. Athleticism is genetics and you can increase/improve with training. Just your max varies per person. 🤷‍♂️

[@yeheheyee9998]

Yes exactly this anyone who says you can’t increase athleticism it has never been an athlete. But yes there’s a genetic limit.

[@kjjr3270]

Never forget that Lebron was averaging 37 ppg against McCants

[@Joel_Huaracha]

Never forget Lebron said ain’t no party like a diddy party.

[@phenomfacemob1011]

That never happened

[@KevinOrtiz-ul9th]

He goes another lame

[@FeaRDirTy]

@@Joel_HuarachaI mean what’s that mean, is it not true? 😂😂😂😂

[@johnjovanovichwick4194]

@@Joel_Huarachano one cares

[@whh3571]

"He got Wanita's" 😂😂😂😂

[@georgeoliver2539]

Saying working out won't help you jump higher if you train to do it is crazy talk lol

[@lilcourtny08]

No it's not, there is a limit. You can train all you want and never have a 40 inch vertical. Some people have that without training

[@brandoni241]

It will help a little, but genetics and athletic ability is natural. There's a reason why there is a difference between pro athletes and others. Do you think others don't work hard at their game? The genetics separate the superiors from the average people. LeBron worked, but look at his genetics. How many athletes are like that not in the pros?

[@camerondrain8166]

All of yall that are downplaying what training can do to your athleticism need to KZbin the 30-40 yr old white guys that just started dunking in their 30s. They document the whole process and all the training they do as 5’10 middle age white men with 15inch verts then a couple years later they are doing windmills. Just because your trainer doesn’t know the correct exercises to do doesn’t mean it doesn’t work

[@gamecrazyoo1]

⁠@@brandoni241except it’s not yes genetics can mean you have a higher peak but if you are a normal human you can legit teach yourself by being an athlete. I was far from playing video games when I was younger by 15-16 I was getting called 2k cause I would hit crazy acrobatic shots. I taught myself these things from playing I couldn’t just do that shit off rip I had to practice and it came to me. I watched my vertical increase and I stopped playing for 6-7 years and now I’m back playing and my vertical isn’t the same but I’m watching week by week I’m getting closer.

[@floydturner2957]

It has a limit…. Those who make the biggest gains have the highest level of fast twitch muscle fibers to begin with along with long tendons. You’ll never see anyone fast, quick or explosive with long fat calf muscles and a short soleus

[@dlauntiburks110]

The way Gil was saying “ Trash” had me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@feezycali]

8:18 - SOUNDED LIKE FINDING NEMO 🐠…. BUT IT WAS EVERYONE SAYING “ I KNOW I DID , I KNOW I DID . 😂

[@BriannaMoore-h7l]

Loved every min of this video! You did great!

[@sterlingleverett2424]

So simple! There are athletic people who don’t even play sports. Athleticism is a blessing that people don’t want to acknowledge. The people who DO acknowledge it, but train like they aren’t, are the ones who become greats 💪

[@new_generation_oldhead4223]

It's Mj vs Kobe one maxed out there abilities and other had a better start point

[@FlatWHDF]

Gil as beatle juice and voice affliction is top tier

[@agttyoutube]

Legend has it LeBron did very well against McCants

[@TheTallGuyWitTheBeats]

37ppg I believe....

[@YvadneMurriel]

Yall funny lmao ​@@TheTallGuyWitTheBeats

[@city1346]

38 on Halloween games

[@FuriousGunnerKat]

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@YvadneMurriel]

@city1346 Niagara dug in his bag for that stat lol (see what i did there)

[@anthonypierre2094]

athleticism is both genetics and environment. Both can exist. Some ppl are born with it and then work on top of it. That's the difference but hard work can certainly improve your athletic abilities.

[@McFrappin]

But not your athletic ability.

[@eljefesinnaman2603]

You or what you say you are. Growth mindset keeps you pushing.

[@9ninehd36]

I heard some pretty .....unsmart statements in this debate lmbo.

[@aaronhutchinson885]

Being athletic is more than just jumping. Speed, quickness, fast twitch muscles, movements etc. Most are born being a natural athlete. Some can get better, quicker etc

[@ijayrizzy3116]

@Gil’s Arena. Y’all costumes are off the chain. 👏🏾👏🏾

[@dmarley_mal]

Speed agility jumping are attributes. Ball handling rebounding passing dunking defense are skills lol

[@younglove3362]

To an extent. Everyone in the NBA can dunk. I guarantee you that wasn't the case before hand. There's ways to increase your jumping.

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

not really, just like all athletic attributes like strength they can be increased, half of those skills is coordination, most fast runners dont have a good running stride but with practice they can run under 10 secs

[@badgrass_ph]

@@younglove3362 Yes, the science in body improvement got better, but all that is limited by your genetics. If the genetic hard limit did not exist, all the nba players not a big man should have a 40" vert already because these NBA players work out hard and often.

[@younglove3362]

@badxgrass has nothing to do with science. It's just certain exercises. You have to be physically fit to be in the NBA. Otherwise, it's no place for you. And one of the contributions of being physically fit is jumping. That's why even 5 foot players can dunk. Practice and exercises are what does it.

[@dmarley_mal]

Genetics do play a role in being more athletic than another but you can work on improving your mechanics as being more athletic if you're not a freakish athlete.

[@jasonhayman9521]

Abilities are natural, skills are learned. Athleticism is an ability.

[@eljefesinnaman2603]

Athleticism is just potential. To reach the ceiling, the top of your potential, takes training Focus commitment yada yada yada. Like any natural born Talent, athleticism is elevated significantly but effort and hard work. You may not be able to be the best but being your best usually levels of playing field. You may not be able to jump higher but you could jump just as high for longer. Very few people even in professional sports the peak of their potential.

[@ONKINGDAVID]

You don’t have to train to have hops lol

[@detroitgamergod5906]

@@ONKINGDAVIDexactly never trained and I can dunk I’m only 5 ft 8

[@Exposingthe]

Wrong lol if that was the case yo dumb ass would be 6’9 in the nba but you short because your genetics says you ain’t got a chance stupid

[@oneluvLevz]

​@detroitgamergod5906 But the question is.. if you did train, could you jump higher? The answer is yes.

[@detroitgamergod5906]

@@oneluvLevz absolutely but then there’s people who train hard and still can’t do it …

[@dirtyhoodiegang8596]

Kenyon and Gil right! When I graduated high school I had a 38 inch vertical at 6’5 senior year. Never lifted a weight in my life, only dunked and played 5 on 5. If I would have lifted I could have had at least 42+ vertical. Genetics matter, my dad could jump high according to all my family.

[@chrisayo8687]

I watched Jalen green in high school He isn’t jumping higher he just got stronger

[@daggs3631]

LOL - Kenyon, Nick and Gil are wearing the hair! Love it! AND they know how to shake the hair as well. True Baddies🤣 Everyone's costumes are fabulous! Good job podcast.

[@Mar.wanJaniol]

You're a talented creator, no joke!

[@daparadigm]

K-Mart at Cincinnati was unreal. Dude had super, super-bounce before he got injured.

[@PeakyBlindurzz]

To say that working out doesn’t help your vertical at all is insane 😂😂😂

[@mical2great]

Not saying that😂😂 theyre sayin your body has a limit that you can never overextend. Ja cant squat like most dudes in the league but has more bounce than them all. Same with big dudes. No matter how hard jokic train jumping he will never get a 40 inch vert

[@11bornrich]

@@mical2great Saying people have different ceilings is different from saying there's nothing you can do to become more athletic lol

[@camerondrain8166]

@@mical2greatja can’t squat bc he weighs a buck 20 and he doesn’t train to squat big weights. If he trained for that then he would be good at it

[@arealgoodguy]

@@11bornrich - What they're trying to say is there's nothing you can do to change your ceiling. A player can always get a little better, but not by a lot

[@certifiedchaos4643]

@@11bornrichu can’t Luka can train with Usain Bolt he’s still going to be slow

[@CashRul3z]

Just realize that some have to work harder than others to get to different levels... period. I was the most athletic I've ever been when I trained for football. I went from squeezing in dunks to elbow at the rim.

[@TheMrMasterChief12]

Kenyon costume killing me 😂

[@QTALISCHILL]

KneesOverToesGuy is a living example with documented evidence that you can significantly increase your vertical. Dude didn't start dunking until his 30's DESPITE playing basketball up to the college level, so it wasnt like he wasn't working out already...he just started doing very targeted workouts and boom. There are also several other youtubers that documented themselves following his program and increasing their verticals 7+ inches in their 30's. This automatically throws out Kenyon's claims of only being able to add 5 inches max to your vert. There is a genetic max, but I think it's far higher than what Gil and Kenyon are saying.

[@11bornrich]

K MArt is wrong, you can train to be faster, jump higher, be more agile etc... Are some people more naturally more athletic? Yes. Could other have a higher ceiling? Sure. But that doesn't change the fact that you can definitely do certain workouts, drills etc... to be more athletic. I think they're confusing having a cap with being able to become more athletic. Yes, everyone has a limit, that doesn't mean they can't become more athletic though. There's always a balance & counter for everything in life, if you can become less athletic, you can be more athletic

[@arealgoodguy]

You can't become more athletic than your limit. The players in the NBA reached their limits their genetics would allowed them to reach.

[@DUBBleVizion422]

True but genetics will still be the main factor on how much you can progress.

[@11bornrich]

@@DUBBleVizion422 You're right but the keyword is "progress" meaning you can develop to an improved or advanced condition.

[@cravenmoorehead6265]

​@@11bornrichdo you get the point that they were trying to convey. As much as you can train, the genes are the biggest factor to athleticism. Working out is maintaining & progressing the level of athleticism. If you think you can just train to be faster/ jump higher, you can but very limited due to genetics.

[@11bornrich]

​@@cravenmoorehead6265 "Very limited" is the issue I have. It's not "very limited" it's simply limited. Your comment assumes or follows the premise that we're all starting from the same place. Some people are close to their peak while others aren't. In fact, studies show that most of us are EXTREMELY far away from our peak potential & need significant relentless training to reach it so the idea that training would only have a small or very limited improvement isn't necessarily true. There's a genetic range, genetics simply provides a baseline but not a starting point. For example, I've trained with guys that spent years training and only managed to increase their vert by 8-10% & I say "only" but if you have a 40 inch vert that's + 4inches. I've also trained with guys doing plyometric and strength training and personally I and others have had 20-35% increases in our vert. That's a huge increase, and that's just vert. Now imagine if you're overweight, that easily shoots up to 40%+ when measuring current ability to reaching your full genetic range.

[@rickyg540]

If u can get better at something that means you worked on it, it doesn’t mean you’ll be the best at it but you’ll better at it..

[@TedJames-e7c]

16:34 that boy Kenyon got daddy issues 😂

[@leastselfawarepotassium]

Good to see Gil’s arena is still erupting.

[@northloo]

Athleticism isn't a skill its an attribute. There is a cap to that attribute for everyone. However the cap is also different for everyone. I'm 5"8 and i could dunk at 16. A lot of dudes 6"0-6"3 are under the rim. If they train they can dunk. But never like someone athletic of their size. You see you can learn plyometrics but some niggas don't even have to bro they just jump. So basically its a skill up to a certain point. Its like defense. After the fundamentals & the schemes...you can't learn to be a pest. A diver. A problem. Its all experience and wantimg to stop dudes even at the cost of your body taking crazy hits. Shout out to small guards eating triple screens for dinner

[@th3villag3pOp3]

Y’all remind me of debates we used to have at our high school lunch tables. Everyone just talking over each other 😂

[@RunOfTheTrill]

For anyone reading, athleticism absolutely can be taught. There are some people who are able to develop their athleticism naturally. But you can definitely develop it over time. Obviously, everyone has a cap and I'm not saying everyone can be as fast as the fastest person. Hell, basic linear periodization is the foundation of strength and conditioning and that has been effective and around for over half a century.

[@unkn0wn_persona545]

agree, sadly this falls on the deaf ears of many.

[@henryrichardson4274]

That’s what Gil and Kenyon saying the engine is the genes you can tune it that’s training But the guy who’s the fastest in the world got a different engine than the rest of us. Even if we all did his training we wouldn’t be as fast as him

[@AznStylezYT]

Athleticism is a skill under the lens of kinesiology. You can train to jump higher, run faster, hit harder, but you can't train to be genetically taller, have wider and longer limbs, or have bigger hands and feet. There are other intricacies like the amount of torque you can generate through the specific anatomical structures like your patella. hip joint, etc. The other huge factor is how your body is socially constructed. Did you grow up in the hood? Did you grow up being spoonfed your whole life? Were all your childhood friends athletes? What did you eat growing up? Not saying that these are the complete truths to why Jordan's offspring couldn't hoop, but it's worth mentioning for it possibly being a reason.

[@traypullup]

14:21 ok I got a story. So I was bct for the army, there was this 5’4 dude he was able to do 104 pushups in 2 minutes max I did 67 by the end of it I was went to 77 he stayed at 104. Genetics does matter. I haven’t done a single sit up in 4 years but if I did them now I’ll do about 70 of them. I’m 5’10 I can dunk my buddy 6’5 he can barely get off the ground

[@samuelburton3234]

Yes!!!!!! I’m glad somebody understands

[@valmorrison7363]

For kenyon and gil arguments cause they right when u in ur 20's u cant all of sudden gain ATHLETICMS NO MATTER HOW ARE U WORK THAT GENETICS AND SOMETHING U BORN WIT U CAN ONLY WORK ON UR CRAFT AND MAKE UR GAME STRONGER ATHLETICM U CANT ALL OF SUDDEN GAIN UNDERSTAND STAND THE MEANING OF ATHLETICMS this was funny tho 😂😂😂

[@camerondrain8166]

Yes you can. There a dudes on KZbin that have done it and document the journey. And they are 40 year old white men….

[@tomstorm7926]

@@camerondrain8166who? Most like the 40 year old white man was an athletic younger why man who just worked on it and got better. There’s a reason more black athletes are athletic over others. It’s genetics. There are one offs but that doesn’t change the fact.

[@yeheheyee9998]

Yes you can absolutely become more athletic at any age im not saying genetics play no part but there are people who have increased their vertical by 10+ inches from training as an adult.

[@valmorrison7363]

How weird yah are only think yah talking bout is jumping where talking bout athleticms but I'm not goin back forth wit ppl who don't understand the meaning of the word vertical is one thing and anybody know which I said I can jump higher that nothin I'm talking athleticms and that not something u can all of sudden get yah truly mccants brain ppl lmao 🤣

[@yeheheyee9998]

@@valmorrison7363 you can become a better athlete you have no idea what your talking about iv been an athlete.

[@Underpantsniper]

I've done tons of research on the subject of jumping. 80% of it has to do with body type and and fast twich muscle density, both of which are genetic gifts. Naturally gifted jumpers will respond more favorably to the same training as non gifted jumpers. Its just how it works. Its a similar thing with throwing.

[@curtiscoffman6735]

I’m 5’6 32 year old and all my life I have never worked on my legs till this day I can go outside out of shape and grab rim and sometimes dunk. It’s all about your genetics it’s just that simple. Nick and BJ are just talking.

[@DemetriusJones-kk1bg]

They definitely just talking

[@camerondrain8166]

Some people can naturally do what you do and some people have to work at it but end up at the same place. Some girls naturally have big butts and some have to go to the gym and eat a certain way…. They end up with the same size butt tho

[@TheJwalk1234]

Guess what if you trained rn you probably cause dunk with two hands if you go off your ass lol.

[@VonKappallot]

Nah gil is lying. Im 25 now and like 6'1 and can do cock back dunks, windmills, between the legs, and 360's. But I was never able to even to grab rim up until i was in the 12th grade and i was like 5'10. I wasnt even a hooper either. I just spent a summer getting in shape, working on my body and by the time my senior year came around i was easily getting up there. I was even doing 2 hand dunks which are extremely hard. I started running track too. My mom and my dad have little to no athleticism so its definitely not just simply a genetic thing. Gil and K-mart just yapping as usual

[@arealgoodguy]

@@VonKappallot- You're making the same argument as Nick and Rashad. What Gil is saying to them, you got older and stronger. The training just expedited their potential.

[@emmanuellawan1738]

BROTHER KNOWLEDGE WAS SERIOUS SERIOUS! 16:50😂😂😂

[@marcgil256]

I don't even understand why this is a debate, they all pretty much agree with each other for the most part. All Nick, BJ, and McCants are saying is that you can improve your athleticism. Of course there is a limit that is determined by genetics, but there are still ways to marginally increase/improve your athleticism.

[@McFrappin]

The point still stands. It won't increase your natural athletic ability.

[@smoove8125]

Some people are naturally athletic and some have to work to improve. I got a cousin that wasn’t athletic but after wearing ankle weights and training at the park everyday he was dunking that summer

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

Khalil Roundtree from the UFC was 300 lbs and couldn't walk without getting out of breath. Now he fights at 185lbs and is a quick and explosive fighter.

[@dresalomon1072]

This a terrible example. His genetics already dictated that he was massive in explosion, but him as a fighter is a skill set I would know since I train in muy tai and kickboxing.

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

a bad example tho since the reason he lost his last fight was cuz of cardio 😂😂

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

@@dresalomon1072 it's not a bad example, you're just dumb, also I kickbox too goofy. Bro isn't a genetic freak. The mf was 6'1 and 300 lbs. He was just an overweight lazy dude who turned fat into muscle, and trained to become athletic. He wouldn't be this explosive and fast if he just lost weight to lose weight.

[@improbablyyourdad8458]

@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi Yes cardio was an issue, but he got tired because he was overthrowing and whiffing most of the big shots. Also, he went against Alex who's the best pressure striker in MMA.

[@doubleeph8920]

Kenyon and Gil are absolutely right! Athleticism is mostly genetics and no amount of training can increase your vertical jump from like 36 to a 40. At best there's a one or two each gain. I recommend everyone in the comments to watch Jmxhighroller's latest video here on KZbin comparing the athleticism of modern NBA players to those from the 90s. He used real data for his analysis and discovered rhat modern athletes are only about 3-6% more athletic using NBA combine stats over the past 30 years. The only difference now is that modern technology and training makes the athletes today look better, they aren't more athletic.

[@azmonrougier]

athleticism is an attribute but it CAN be acquired... some people don't have to work as hard to get it but it doesn't mean it's unattainable for people who put in the work...

[@unkn0wn_persona545]

very well said

[@McFrappin]

It is unattainable. It's not your gift.

[@azmonrougier]

@@McFrappin in the past "white men can't jump" was seen as a law of nature. now some of the highest jumpers are white. If you think you can't you can't.

[@chitownmo]

It is a talent. It can be improved, but not everyone has the same athletic potential. Skills that can be improved are usually tactile thru hand/eye coordination drilling but it also can be a talent as some people have more of a natural affinity performing in the particular circumstance(feel for the game).

[@brooksdb36]

Gil is an extremist. 😂 it’s people with literal careers doing exactly what he says people can’t do.

[@IbrahimAl-Khwarizmi]

exactly seen ngas on utube go from 24 to 46” and he says 38” is his max cuz he never trained it specifically

[@Fier07112]

3:05 He fully embraced his costume right there 😭😭😭

[@a.rfansler7637]

Damn right it's a skill!!! I gotta work on hops, cuts, and explosiveness

[@DemetriusJones-kk1bg]

Cuts and explosiveness is not athleticism

[@ziginaigra]

sorry but its not,u born like that....or u are athletic or not rly😄

[@thirsty57]

​@@DemetriusJones-kk1bg Definitely is. Cuts = quickness which is apart of athleticism and obviously so is explosiveness

[@brandoni241]

And if there is a guy genetically superior to you, it would take him less time to learn. Look at Giannis. His rookie season, he could barely play basketball. But when you're 6'11 and have that type of athleticism, you can be taught. You can teach shooting, passing, dribbling, etc. You can't teach speed and natural athleticism...

[@camerondrain8166]

@@ziginaigrawhat about the 40yr old white guys in KZbin that taught themselves how to dunk for the first time in their mid 30s? Tell me how that was genetics

[@waj4ever16]

Haha. Those jumpsoles/strength shoes effed my knees up when I was younger.

[@younglove3362]

Grabbing the rim and landing wrong messed me up.

[@ChrisJoestarr]

Yes athleticism is a skill, some ppl are just naturally freak atheletes but u can definitely improve strength speed explosiveness agility with pliometrics and weights.

[@McFrappin]

That's not the argument.

[@_saucegod]

Both are correct. Jump training does help you jump higher but you max out at a certain point.

[@jaydell4039]

You can improve your jumping ability. I don’t know wtf he’s talking about. Why would people in track field practice if they couldn’t improve

[@joshuakiel7395]

McCants face @3:45 😂😂 he over all of it already lol

[@LeetraviusMcKay-q6m]

If your parents were born with athleticism, then 9/10 you will be born with athleticism.

[@Kashmir-bb1cc]

Not really

[@anthonystephens9335]

I can’t stop laughing at Kmart with the joker custom. He kilt it!

[@AaronBowles-r2o]

Martin walking on his tip toes was a great joker walk in his costume.

[@fitsumgebre2721]

That Joker theme is fantastic. If there was an award, sheesh this team will take one for home I swear

[@jonhunt2027]

Jumping higher, quicker by training your fast twitch muscle fibers is key

[@irvingtorres5316]

Facts what Gil says. Your body has a thresh hold. If you're athletic your body for sure has a top to where your body gets to..

[@MrSCHNACK]

10:05 GARDDDD DAMNNNNN im in tears🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@rayhussle]

There’s a high demand for skill development in players’ training focused on athleticism. If contracts included bonuses for improving vertical jump and 3/4 court sprint times, you’d likely see more players prioritizing that training. You see pro dunkers in mid 20s to early 30s constantly improving their vertical because their priority is to win dunk contests.

[@dj-kazibune]

17:26 “he got Wynette’s genetics!!!”😭😂😭😂

[@Malakai869]

gil look like sasuke when he got the curse mark transformation

[@jarry6849]

The age old debate of, are you born with it, or do you achieve it through hard work.

[@TrevorNealy-ic2pp]

Was a McCannts fan before and when he made it to the leagu, they used to say dude was 6’6

[@Tazz0120]

A good example of Athletic gifts is Zion Williamson and Dereck Henry in high school both looked like grown men amongst boys regardless of training

[@jracks3832]

I feel like it’s a mix of both I feel like the skill in athleticism is based on how you use your athleticism and how you control it.

[@manny199327]

Gil hit me with 2 non skippable ads back to back

[@cheatsheets1124]

15:02 the Honda slander is crazy 😂 they done right be clapping super cars

[@kingstephon8895]

They all sound like the seagulls from Finding Nemo 😂 MINE,MINE,MINE,MINE!!! 😂😭

[@TheMadKing864]

I walked away & was listening to k mart. I looked at my screen & was lost 😅😂

[@Fier07112]

Always looked at Athleticism is like latent ability. You can work to maximize it. Strengthen your ability and refine it. But if you don’t have it, you won’t have it. Also gotta take in to account the body is still growing. Bones and body filling out. But it’s definitely a threshold based on genetics.

[@Ali-zv1yk]

4:20 Those shoes were called "JumpSoles" plyometrics. Lol those were goofy looking but it helps.

[@Bruhfrm5thflo]

Mccants has me dying. "My daddy was trash" 😂😂

[@HoodyBlk]

There can be personal improvement.. you can work on your body.. simple example I went from not being able to dunk to being able to dunk in under a 2 months on working on myself and timing.. I didn't get a crazy growth spurt, and both my parents weren't athletes.. strengthening your body and improving your mechanics can improve your athleticism..

[@1pierrepierre]

18:10 AND YA SEE HIS MAMA 😂😂

[@MrSCHNACK]

19:31 My GARDDD😂😂

[@photoholicflix]

Kenyon's joker fit works good with his expressions. lol