Gilbert Arenas Says KG Could've Been Better Than Duncan

Gilbert Arenas Says KG Could've Been Better Than Duncan as Gil’s Arena discusses what would’ve happened if the 2 legends switched teams to start their careers and how great situations like the San Antonio Spurs can impact an NBA Players career.
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[@aisosaobano7038]

You know the take is bad when Mccants is making the most sense. 😂

[@aries148]

Huh? So Duncan wins 5 rings with the wolves? Absolutely not. Stop it 😂

[@TH-cq7bj]

For real. Gil doesn’t understand that being the #1 seed doesn’t mean championship. Robinson was notorious for playing small in the playoffs

[@justinrodriguez3430]

😂😂😂 facts

[@llkla4507]

⁠@@aries148nah but to discredit duncan everyone always mentions this magical “system” that has never won anything before or after him 😂 give that man his credit 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@aries148]

@@llkla4507 again… he does not do that on the TIMBERWOLVES. You are missing the point!!!!!!!! 😂😂😂😂

[@kapers5772]

For the first time McCants has the most rational take. Gil should take a look at Tims numbers on the 99 Finals. He was the Finals MVP, the best player on the best team, not just along for the ride. HE carried the Spurs to championships not the other way round.

[@yaqqmanQ]

With David on the other side. End of the day he is not doing that on the Wolves, because they are double and tripling him.

[@yungesjosef]

Strike shortened season and they played the Kicks who were the number 8 seed. Let’s keep the same energy we have for the bubble

[@codacNvegas]

​@yungesjosef both of those Chips have asterisks 👍🏿👍🏿

[@isitkenzoorbenzo5286]

He’s saying yes he will be putting up good numbers and probably be a mvp but would he have won as many as he did with the spurs ? Most likely not

[@Letthat]

david was 99 finals mvp lmao

[@jahyahweh2226]

You can't devalue Tim Duncan's talent. Even KG said he was a problem.

[@CoachQ773]

Man y'all so dumb and in y'all emotions that y'all really don't understand what Gil is saying

[@CoachQ773]

If the number 1 team gets the number one player in the country it can change someone's legacy ... Jesus

[@jahyahweh2226]

Said #1 player has to perform accordingly. Not all pan out.

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

Shaq has-MAD-respect for Duncan,he praises Tim a lot,because Tim gave him tha-BUSINESS. LOL. In the playoffs against the Lakers,they'd put Horace Grant and Horry on Duncan so Shaq wouldn't worry about foul trouble.Duncan guarded Shaq tho and did a good job too.

[@Daveyjdigital]

But KG is that guy frfr

[@devaughnholt3284]

Tim Duncan went on to win several more championships without those players give that man his props

[@chuckreddick3903]

Tim won all his championships with Tony and MG

[@myselfvery9307]

@@chuckreddick3903Tony and MG werent there in 99

[@darrengordon-hill]

Tim joined a playoff team. FACT. Signed, a Spurs fan since Chuck Person.

[@slowmore6030]

@@darrengordon-hillnah fr that spurs team establishment was already destined

[@zackrodriguez7519]

yeah Gil and a lot of these other folks need to go look at that 2003 team that he won a finals with. You cant tell me that that team was better than the 04 Wolves with Latrell Sprewell Sam cassell and Wally Szczerbiak, and he still had to run through the Shaq and Kobe Lakers and the Nash and Dirk Mavs who were the best playoff offense in NBA history. Tim Duncan is not somebody to just be playing like this, he is certified top 10 player all time

[@DOTcom210]

Duncan WAS the system 💯🔥🐐

[@hikidunm1582]

Facts!!!

[@B-Eazy999]

U are 💯 correct he invented the system with the Spurs , what have they won since he retired? KG was amazing and a better athlete but Duncan was a better leader and winner

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

Tim Duncan carried Parker, Ginobli, and Pop to the hall of fame.

[@redclxxd5974]

Not Manu. Nobody sacrificed more than manu. Manu on any other team could’ve avg 23-25 and like 7-8 assists

[@SuperWizzle85]

@@redclxxd5974facts ppl forget Manu was easily one of the best shooting guards in the league EVEN after getting moved to the bench…so imagine if he was a starter

[@tvdij]

​​@@SuperWizzle85except Gilbert Arenas. Gil thinks Jamal Crawford is better than Manu lol. Gil is full of the worst takes. But it's what makes me come to this KZbin channel.

[@SuperWizzle85]

@@tvdij lol naw you right man him and Rashad be havin me baffled with the stuff they say every episode you can count on it

[@Jolteon1989]

​@@SuperWizzle85Thats False. When Ginobili got drafted and Barely played, Duncan had one of the greatest carry jobe in playoff history in 2003. Also Ginobili had to go overseas for 3 years to develop.

[@Sldumas1983]

Don’t forget Robinson suffered a back injury prior to the 1996-97 season and returned to play in six games before suffering a fractured left foot. The Spurs slumped to 20-62, but for them was also a chance to grab the No. 1 selection in the 1997 Draft Lottery. The prize of that Draft was Tim Duncan.

[@KDubble32]

This is the context they keep missing

[@Sldumas1983]

@@KDubble32 Facts Bro I had to cook because Gill likes to leave things out on purpose

[@KDubble32]

Agreed

[@willmycraven6427]

🎯💯 They didn't tank!

[@imsocrazy1951]

And David Robinson wasn't the same after that back injury. Robinson needed Duncan, not the other way around. Gil need to stay off the weeeeed...lol

[@michaelwilson939]

Gil is the king of moving that goal post to fit his explanation 😂

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

AGREED.

[@earlismarks7108]

Tim is a all time great player...playing 4 yrs in a solid program is huge the coaching he got prepared him to continue to evolve at the next level...Gil wants to slight Tim and he is nowhere close to the level of a Tim Dunkin...but he could have been....oh well.

[@earlismarks7108]

Exactly...Tim Dunkin is Tim Dunkin, respect that Gil.

[@marvelouslive]

@@earlismarks7108spell his name right before you talk respect

[@KwameAkuchiWilliams]

True, to me, that's how I see it with all content creators and people that have platforms such as KZbin or Instagram. That's why it's good to take things with the grain of salt and let it be don't take it as the law.

[@kageofspades]

TD was so good he was the reason the Spurs were so good and had to get TP and Manu late in drafts and helped them evolve into the best versions of themselves. I’m a huge KG fan too, obviously. Dude would have been a problem on the Spurs as well but TD actually did that shit.

[@jrsmith1998]

The only difference is that Duncan had a much much better front office, which meant he always had a much much better team. U bozos.

[@kageofspades]

@@jrsmith1998How is that the only difference? Did Timmy not accomplish what he accomplished still? The front office doesn't do the work. Nobody is calling KG a bum, they are equally in the same class of HOF caliber player which is why we're having this discussion. Just giving TD his flowers. Plenty of great players have been on great organizations and never achieved what Duncan did. Obviously if KG had been on a more stable franchise, he would have probably achieved even more. But we can only speculate, to my point. I think KG would have been legendary on the Spurs too.

[@fatpatlives1998]

K.G should have left Minnesota earlier. Wish he could have linked with kobe post Shaq Era

[@rafaelgrays733]

To be fair, Timmy did average 21-12 as a rookie 😂😂😂😂 so it took more than just an anybody to come in a win 😂

[@darnellwilliams8783]

@rafelgrays733 to be fair nobody cares about star padding

[@nicyee3701]

​@@darnellwilliams8783All-Star and the only rookie to be first team all NBA. You sound dumb as fuck.

[@Purlypurlington]

@@darnellwilliams8783where did stat padding coming from

[@johnsteward1186]

Gil has been humiliated by Duncan numerous times. Duncan is top 10. Just boring, like Tom Brady

[@buddrostar8971]

Kg came straight out of high school Duncan played 3 years in college to be fair

[@backyardhealthandhealing3814]

Tim Duncan was 1st Team All NBA, 2nd Team All Defense, All Star, Rookie of the Year, as a rookie. You dont do that just because you are on a good team. If he had gone to the Twolves He might have averaged 30 and 15 as a rookie. He was an All Time Great From the Jump. The Spurs became the Spurs as we knew them, because of Tim Duncan.

[@AnnoyedFlowerBasket-rx1nu]

Nailed it

[@LarryHooker]

They act like the Spurs had won rings or even got to the Finals before he got there. There' no dominant team that has one injury and is in the lottery. Honestly Tim carried David Robinson to a ring in his rookie season. Like you said he was great from jump, the Spurs are on the map because of TIM DUNCAN

[@pannuaman]

This just ain’t true. If he goes to the wolves he doing everything.. points rebound maybe better but winning % down and that’s all that matters to the media. Rookie votes yes but not no all nba b/c KG had a higher peak albeit it shorter than Td likely cuz he higher a higher workload and usage rate

[@capitanrilex9850]

@@pannuamanhe isnt taking a stupid K bigger than Shaq’s. How does no one see or acknowledge this? Duncan took paycuts. TWolves lost picks trying to be underhanded w Joe Smith cuz they couldnt pay anyone thanks to KG’s K. Marubury LEFT bc they were not going to be able to pay him.

[@barnesboi7928]

KG answered this already. I also remember watching Timmy giving KG and everybody else quiet, efficient, consistent double doubles

[@aedaed3605]

That's the weirdest thing, you have peeps saying whatever but KG was the one who said he could never get Duncan to crack, no matter what. That alone ought to tell people who he thought really was the better player between the two.

[@BlackThenBlack]

@@aedaed3605 No it shouldn’t.

[@aedaed3605]

@@BlackThenBlack nah it actually should. That's like a student saying that a test is too hard to crack. OTOH Timmy said he wasn't much of a trash talker at all on a separate podcast with Raja Bell, said he recognized what KG wanted but just plowed through. That's like a teacher saying lol, me a trash talker? I didn't even write that hard of a test, I recognize what the student wants, but I have to keep the test up to standard. Unless you're arguing that this student thinks he's better than said teacher which is a possibility, it kinda should...

[@mysticlegion8088]

​@@BlackThenBlacknah, it should.

[@Lord_Clarke]

KG was also giving Duncan Buckets, KG avg a double double against Duncan.

[@georgeparker8198]

I died when he referred to Duncan as a "Fill in piece" 😂😂😂😂 Gil be talking crazy AF sometimes 😂😂😂

[@sd21z]

For real

[@THE_HORSEYY]

How

[@silverindeed2406]

Easy to understand what he means really. Like a puzzle tim Duncan came in as a piece and fit or field in what was absent into a already good team to complete the puzzle. Not that he isn't good or didn't matter or was just another piece. He was a pivotal piece to fill in what was lacking.

[@whatsyourpointfacts7082]

@@silverindeed2406meaning he was better than kg 🤣🤣🙏🙏

[@taoforte8988]

This fool talks like he smokes embalming fluid

[@matthewjordan8031]

The problem with Gill's argument is that regardless of the success of The Spurs prior to Duncan, David was not nearly the same player he used to be and the arrival of Duncan saw him immediately thrusted into the "leader" role primarily because of his maturity at college level. Also, Pop coaching KG and their relationship might not have been as successful as Pop and Duncan relationship. They're a lot of factors to take into consideration, but the glaring fact is Duncan was the main reason the Spurs won in 99, 03 and 05. It's clear that Timmy is the most disrespected superstar in the history of the NBA. had not for Ray he would be 6-0 like Jordan.

[@ryanr20091]

robinson was stilll a guy that could give great production dominate at any time a legit double double big man with even better defense he was far from washed stilll a legit halll of fame talent all-time great that Duncan benefitted from along with Avery jonson sean elliot and mario elie

[@jwordxyz]

​@@ryanr20091benefited from role players? Lmao 🤣 the guys you mentioned are role players and an older all star player in Robinson just stop it

[@Matthew-uq4hu]

I agree with everything you said til the last part. The Spurs weren't known for repeating and there's no guarantee they'd win in 2014 if they won in 2013.

[@jtremaine23]

@@Matthew-uq4hu That's true...they took the motivation of losing in 2013 to excel in 2014. After watching the 2013 Finals, I was calling for Ginobili to retire but he came back strong the next year.

[@Matthew-uq4hu]

@@jtremaine23 that's the one thing I felt they needed to do to add to their dynasty. I won't take away the "Dynasty" tag from them. Hard to say 4 championships in 11 years isn't a dynasty. I'm not counting the 99 championship because Tony and Manu weren't there yet.

[@frankshouldice2490]

people perpetually sleep on how ridiculously dominant timmys prime was

[@silverblackguerrilla4370]

No they don't. The SPURS was dominant is what people don't seem to understand. The very first year Pop didn't have a HOFer on the team they missed the playoffs. Everybody knows Tim is an all time great, doesn't mean we ALSO can't acknowledge how great the SPURS were as a team. You can acknowledge and appreciate BOTH things at the same time. I don't understand why NBA fans can't do this 😂

[@hennyspiderman9974]

@@silverblackguerrilla4370the spurs don’t win without Tim. Nigga came off the gate great. Look at his stats, Timmy is generational.

[@silverblackguerrilla4370]

@@hennyspiderman9974 Duh. What's your point?

[@MasterSlime03]

@@hennyspiderman9974that’s crazy cause I clearly remember them beatin the heat in finals and Duncan was barely the 3rd option on the team

[@hennyspiderman9974]

@@silverblackguerrilla4370 reading comprehension ain’t your thing, right?

[@phillipbanks6138]

The year before the Spurs drafted Tim Duncan, they actually didn’t tank. They just had a lot of injuries. I remember David Robinson had a bad back and missed most of the season and I think Sean Elliot was hurt too. Boston actually had a worst record and was projected to get the number pick. Spurs just “happen” to win the lottery.

[@704jizzle2]

Gil just be talking the spurs were hurt and they fired their coach and hired Pop

[@CoachQ773]

In other words they tanked... 😂

[@TheMedicinalMan]

@@CoachQ773I mean, if you think tanking is letting your players recover from injury I think you should drop Coach out of your name and never coach a god damn thing 🤣🤣

[@jonathanaskew1494]

They forget that. Like, they had real life injuries on that team the year before. It wasn't tanking to be tanking, but they not rushing those guys back to play, especially with the injuries they had and the possibility to draft Timmy

[@giolove9453]

David Robinson was never the same player after the season he was out he just won the mvp the year before if not mistaken to be real adding Timmy picked up where Robinson was falling off

[@austinlink68]

Brandon first take is so true. I hate that they devalue someone cause who drafts them.

[@artofsoul]

Hell I hate they devalue an entire state, namely Texas. Dream is the best center ever, Duncan is arguably the greatest forward ever. Dirk doesn't even get shine like he's supposed to. During our baseball world series runs they kept talking about the other team. Media doesn't know shit because their bias eventually comes out. I usually respect Gils takes, but no way KG is better than Duncan. KG could be stopped, Duncan couldn't.

[@Mrmikeloc24]

Duncan was stopped several times. Usually by Shaq and the Lakers. That’s why Tim never won back to back titles.

[@Hooperd2023]

@@Mrmikeloc24shaq and the lakers??? Kobe wasn’t just anybody bro.

[@kealunleday3948]

Kobe was nice but shaq that guy for the lakers

[@GOATGamingAndSports]

​@@Mrmikeloc24put some respect on Kobe's name

[@edwardkalfredsr5455]

GIL always shifting the debates. Duncan was more polished coming in. And he won in his rookie year. We can’t say KG would have won because we don’t know. And Duncan won a couple of more with out David Robinson and before Kawhi. Meaning once Duncan got there spurs was in the hunt pretty much yearly

[@yvans.]

Didn’t won in his rookie season but I feel on the other parts

[@nicyee3701]

​@@yvans.Winning the chip in his second season is very impressive.

[@philduncan8696]

I think Gil was arguing half the video without anyone really arguing anything.

[@laidbak2904]

Yo those he won in between robinson and kawhi he had tony and manu come on don'mt act like TIm played on teams like KG did. KG had NO WHERE NEAR the level of talent help that Duncan had in his chip runs

[@arexyouxepicxenough]

@@laidbak2904 they were fill in players duncan was the defence and the offense for the 2nd and 3rd rings, they only really shifted that way for the ring they beat the cavs for. Before that it was run everyone off their spots so they drive into duncan and duncan gets to his spots and has guys who can spot up around him. People disrespect duncan because they only remember the beautiful basketball era. He was an anchor on both sides the team's identity was built off for the first 3.

[@av8erznation635]

Mccants being objective.. Let me sip this drink and right quick cuz I'm perplexed😂

[@doctorx1924]

Duncan could do things physically that KG couldn't. That's what really separates them. For example, Duncan could guard Shaq for long stretches and hold his own against him which was very important when the Spurs played the Lakers. Shaq would have run over Garnett easily. Duncan also physically could easily back down guys in the post whenever the Spurs needed a bucket. These 2 things seem little, but they are very big and were important for the Spurs during their title runs. KG could not do those things and hence the Spurs would not win with him.

[@aedaed3605]

Duncan's post dominance in his prime is criminally underrated. KG couldn't have held his own against Shaq at all. So many people tripping on this one.

[@TheStatisfiedOne]

Sure but KG rebounding, passing and perimeter defense was very impactfull

[@EGarrett01]

Duncan was a Power Forward - Center, Garnett was a Power Forward - Small Forward. KG could do small forward things like face-up, shoot from distance, play point-forward, switch onto smaller players, etc., while Duncan could do big man things like guard a huge center, force buckets in the post, etc.

[@TheStatisfiedOne]

@@EGarrett01 Duncan was originally a center, he plays like a center. He only played PF because David Robinson was the center in his team for 4 straight years

[@EGarrett01]

@@TheStatisfiedOne Yup.

[@Haro-Han]

Duncan was the number one option on that team when he came there as a rookie David Robinson said so himself he didn't have any problems stepping back

[@Itsxmusic]

True but can you atleast admit the situation you’re drafted to has a lot to do with your success or lack there of? If all things are equal and me and you are both A+ level talents but I go to the Hornets and you go to the Warriors.. who do you think is going to have a better career as it pertains to winning? How does that not make sense? That’s all he’s saying.

[@westfinest20]

@Itsxmusic thank you! Ppl seeing it as gil saying Td not great.

[@Itsxmusic]

@@westfinest20 of course because this era of fans is so emotional and hell bent on “count the rings” they can’t evaluate the game objectively and concede obvious truths.

[@demasceionbyrd3776]

This For Yall 3 In The Comment Section. A Great Player Is A Great Player REGARDLESS Of Where You Get Drafted. We’ve Also Seen High Draft Picks Get To A Great Team And Fail. Kg Isn’t The Same Player As Duncan. Duncan WAS The System. He Also Played 4 Years And Was ESTABLISHED Rather Than Coming Straight Outta High School And Having Kevin Mchale To Work With. Either Way Their Both Great But CLEARLY Tim Duncan Is Better

[@j.s.2767]

they sleepin on tim duncan. just cause he wasn't exciting. tim duncan was mr fundamental. one of the best players at his position ever

[@Okieant]

One of the best? No. Tim Duncan IS the best power forward to ever live

[@DiezelFuel08]

Does anyone else notice K-Mart literally napping during a segment he would have the most input seeing he guarded both of them his entire career

[@rauldelarosa4660]

K-mart was told by Gil to hold and did not like it, so avoid slapping Gil in the face he chose to nap.. He did not want Gil making Gun threats 🤣🤣🤣

[@veganyoda8203]

McCants nailed it. Rookie year Duncan was 1st team all nba. Which means he was a top 5 player rookie year. Next year he carried a team to a ring. KG was not ready to do that

[@marcelohendrix6139]

gil speaks with so much conviction he has fooled people into thinking he knows what he's talking about but the more he speaks you understand why he never won as a player

[@ACGreenTV]

He’s right … KG career as a Spur and Tim Duncan career on the Timberwolves would be the same results.

[@kennethsmith6367]

Obviously not. KG’s Timberwolves were getting higher picks and he still couldn’t get them out of the first round. Duncan was taking late first and second round picks into championships and the Hall of Fame.🤣😂🤣😂

[@Cream-2128]

@@kennethsmith6367the t wolves lost all their picks from the Joe smith deal so no that’s wrong.

[@aedaed3605]

gil is very on and off... just like he was as a player it's true that he's also a massive career loser, liable to go off for 60 points in a meaningless game but tone deaf AF and never knows what time it is so he has nothing real to show for it, it's definitely translated here

[@memoirsofalegend5472]

​@kennethsmith6367 still a shit organization. Look at them now. All the high picks and what?

[@kaptain314]

Quick facts. Tim Duncan was the San Antonio Spurs' first overall pick in 1997. He led the Spurs to five NBA championships: 1999, 2003, 2005, 2007, and 2014. He has won championships over 3 different decades (90s, 2000s, 2010s). He is the only player to do so. With that being said, his winning percentage since the year he got drafted is dumb crazy. Making a small market Spurs team title contenders almost every year.

[@laidbak2904]

So you really believe that if you take KG and put him on the spurs that the Spurs STILL wouldn't have won those chips!?? FOH, you thinking Gil saying that is saying Duncan still aint great. WE not taking away from his greatness, we saying Duncan being a part of a dynasty team like the Spurs def helped vs the trash teams the wolves put around KG.

[@kaptain314]

@@laidbak2904 Bruh…you just wanna argue for the sake of arguing. I didn’t mention KG once. I was simply showing love to TD. Notice how you didn’t mention shit about Celtics.

[@kaptain314]

Not taking anything away from KG either. He was a monster in his own right. The way he would exert energy towards his opponents, if you didn’t match that, he would smell blood and rip heads off. People wanted to see that hence the reason he was called The Big Ticket. But we all know TD was Mr. Fundamental.

[@laidbak2904]

So what does TD being fundamental have to do with anything? What I said earlier is that people who is "defending" TD is doing so in the sense that we're saying he isn't great. We're not saying he isn't or wouldn't still be GREAT, we're saying that if you swap KG for TD that KG would have more chips than TD. You can't sit here and tell me that TD would win the same amount of chips if he was with Minnesota. If you're saying that then you or doing one of two things, you're either saying that the Minnesota teams were BETTER than we remember or that the greatest of David robinson, parker, ginobli and Kawhi is OVERRATED. Now which do you stand behind? @@kaptain314

[@laidbak2904]

You're right why do I need to talk about Boston when KG was with the wolves when TD won 4 of his 5 chips? LOL Do you really think TD would have won 4 chips in Minnesota if they were swapped? @@kaptain314

[@803Maphia]

David Robinson got injured at the beginning of that season. They didn't tank. Pop fired the coach and made himself coach. RC Burford drafts Duncan. Rest is history

[@Life101_mindset_makeover]

This has been my opinion since I first saw KG. It’s not a knock on Timmy…he was incredible but the difference to me was the way KG would face up from 20 ft and take you off the dribble like Olajuwon. Timmy could do it too but he was less athletic wit it. KG legit looked like a big ass SF most nights. If he was in this era…he woulda had a 3ball and this wouldn’t even be a conversation imo. The modern PF is the evolution of KG without question. Great points by all the guys tho fa sho🔥

[@MrFenesse]

Yeah but Duncan gave him work constantly

[@carloshall6434]

I agree completely! Player for player, KG is the better player. KG’s MVP season he was the first player in like 30 years to lead the league in total points and total rebounds. How dominant is that? Then add his athleticism and ability to guard every position, outside of Shaq, KG is the better player. The GM survey in the early 2000s had every GM picking KG to start your team. Let’s not forget that a Duncan led Olympics team couldn’t win gold.

[@ontheruntips7242]

If my aunt had a dick.........

[@MarshallMurant]

Tim Duncan was the truth.

[@JohnnyFutbol4]

Tim was not less athletic he just didn’t redline his body. Tim is greater than KG and better than KG

[@chuckEdopemoves]

Tim Duncan is criminally underrated. Dude was the best defensive player to never win dpoy . Check the #s , defensive win shares etc., every year he at the top. But its also fair to say KG would do the same if in that same position KG was a absolute dog!!!!! 2 way player just like Duncan

[@holdmyweight3597]

Underrated how? Everyone considers him the goat PF

[@DaintyBroom2233]

@@holdmyweight3597 he’s underrated cuz of debates like this when too 30 to 20 players of all time get compared to him who’s a top ten player of all time. You would never hear a take that Kevin Garnett was better then Kobe or Shaq, when in reality Tim Duncan is better then both those guys but still people try to compare Tim to players like KG. It’s just cuz the dude was quiet and boring and played for a small market. Put Tim in LA people would have him undisputed top 3

[@laidbak2904]

Bro KG aint just some player to put in the midst of other PFs. KG is one of the greatest to play the position. TO me he's the BEST but his lack of support killed is overall success. You must have never seen KG play and I'm not talking about at Boston I mean in Minnesota where he was a beast, KG one year lead the league in steals if im not mistaken. KG is one of only FIVE players to win MVP AND DPOY (Defensive player of the year) and Tim duncan is NOT on that list, but guess who is one of the other 4, TDs teammate David Robinson. Don't try to throw KG in the pit with all these other PF's cause that aint going to do anything but show your lack of basketball knowledge. We will NEVER know the answer to this question but there is no doubt in my mind that TD being called the best EVER has just as much to do with where he played during his entire career versus how great of a player he was. @@DaintyBroom2233

[@realjohnlove]

How is a player almost everyone considers a top 10 player all-time underrated

[@realjohnlove]

@@DaintyBroom2233the debate is KG is just as talented as Tim Duncan. That was Gilbert’s argument. He’s saying if KG got more rings ppl would place him in the same position. Duncan wasn’t turning the TWolves into 4 rings without Pop & the Spurs front office. Ppl undervalue what that whole organization did. Duncan is stop a top 10 player debatably top 5 but when you compare him to certain players KG also should be in that discussion but isnt because of his circumstances. Gil’s argument was a fair argument. He’s not saying Tim isn’t that good. He’s saying KG was just as good.

[@arthurrhyne5483]

And spurs didn't tank. Admiral got injured

[@marcusblack8768]

Somebody that knows something

[@ballislifedadecounty]

They did tank. After they knew he was out they pulled others to win. Like Portland did & warriors

[@theangrysportschat]

Thank you.

[@arthurrhyne5483]

They traded fa Nique, Elliott was hurt. Who else they had? Avery n Vinnie?😂 They did not tank. They was trash without admiral n Elliot

[@theangrysportschat]

@@ballislifedadecountythat is absolutely false. You can literally check this info to see who played on a year to year basis. But instead you decided to guess. Wrongly.

[@suzleber4]

Both HOF like Kenyon said but Duncan definitely had the better situation to start. Duncan also almost went to Orlando, I think his skills would go with him anywhere. KG left Minnesota too late, their front office could never pick a direction to build around him.

[@scnoz1430]

Quick reminder: David Robinson average 13 points in his first finals win with Duncan. The second finals, he averaged 8. Tim Duncan did not inherit a successful system. He was it.

[@DiezelFuel08]

ALMIGHTY FACTS

[@oryanfiles]

I’m gone tell y’all this from 97 until 2004 Tim Duncan was the system Gil is also leaving out that Robinson was also on a decline and the spurs was one of the oldest teams in the nba at the time. And tim always played his best in the playoffs can’t say the same for kg

[@1WhoSeesAll]

Robinson hadn't even been in the league a decade yet at the time. He came off of an injury that year and that's why Duncan got the opportunity to be the guy. Plus y'all are all ignoring that Duncan was a legit center playing against power forwards. He had an absolute size advantage and they took advantage of that. You could swap them out in their primes and see similar success both ways.

[@hardwoodthought1213]

@@1WhoSeesAllKG is taller than Duncan… Also ignoring Robinson was 34 by the time Duncan was drafted by saying the decade thing as if Robinson didn’t play in the NBA until he was 24

[@1WhoSeesAll]

@@hardwoodthought1213 Actually Duncan is visibly taller and bigger than KG. Also.. David Robinson was 24 years old his rookie year... Naval commitments and what not. Nice try though🤣🤷🏾‍♂️

[@hardwoodthought1213]

@@1WhoSeesAll Exactly, I said he was 24 as a rookie, I didn’t say anything else, hence your comment saying he was only in year 10 is disingenuously trying to act like he was 28, he was 34 in year 10, hence old….

[@1WhoSeesAll]

@@hardwoodthought1213 you lost the Duncan argument bro.. nice try though👏🏾

[@FreeAgent797]

It's crazy how Rashad McCants of all people is making more sense than Gil on this topic. Gil trippin🤣🤣

[@BriefKeef]

He do that everytime when they compare players he always downplay the player that ends up on a good team

[@ACGreenTV]

Gil is right … wtf you talkn bout ?

[@FreeAgent797]

@@ACGreenTV nah

[@BigGameJames526]

I want them to debate on who would’ve won more championships between Bird and Magic if they switched teams.

[@lamontehodges1901]

They don’t like old guys!!!

[@stephensmith256]

I love KG & even he will tell you Duncan was HIM regardless of the teammates, and those last 3 chips he was the sole Big & Superstar

[@jan279]

Gil is really underestimating Duncan's impact here. The Spurs were always a top 10 defense with Duncan regardless of who else was on the roster because he was such a dominant rim protector. KG was prolly more versatile than Duncan defensively but in terms of rim protection, he just wasn't on Duncan's level, and at that time rim protection was more valuable than switchability on the defensive end because 3-point shooting & floor spacing wasn't as prevalent around the league as it is today.

[@ACGreenTV]

The results would be the same if KG was on the Spurs is what’s Gil is saying

[@Nickgonelie]

KG is absolutely on his level as a rim protector.

[@MRGooodwineTV]

@@ACGreenTV fuck no

[@jan279]

@@Nickgonelie both concrete block numbers & advanced stats says otherwise.

[@Nickgonelie]

@@jan279 you right nigga

[@DaintyBroom2233]

Tim Duncan's personality allowed him to be as unselfish as he was in the Spurs system, couple that with Tim's superior post game and killer instinct in the playoffs he's just an objectively better player. Early in KGs years he was criticized for not being as impactful/agressive in the playoffs, and in his big three years he was not the closer, Allen and Pierce were. Tim Duncan was a better scorer and was equally good at defense with KG, Tim was also a better leader by far and was team first throughout his entire career. Tim is easily the better player and the only reason these guy's are making this dumbass debate is cuz there cool with KG and wanna hype him up, if Tim was a sociable dude and flashy in playstyle I swear these guy's wouldn't bring this up.

[@jadenayala1281]

Lol gil says a lot of dumb shit.

[@aries148]

Lol TD’s personality isn’t taking the T-Wolves to the finals. That’s Gil’s point. KG wins a ring when he goes to the Celtics. Y’all act like KG was trash or something. He is LITERALLY one of the best two-way bigs of all time. Sadly he was not drafted with better pieces around him and the front office was trash as well. Coach was trash too. Wow.

[@bigjigg5672]

Mic Drop! You said it PERFECTLY. TD greater than KG, that's not taking away from KG. But facts are facts. KG's "cool" TD is "weird" But that's got nothing to do with their games.💯

[@DaintyBroom2233]

@@aries148 Tim Duncan's personality is what allowed the spurs to be so dominant, that's not what made Timmy a great player though. If Tim was on the wolves he woulda easily averaged way more points and had more success then KG did on those teams, as he was a better passer, scorer, effecient scorer, and was equal on defence. Not to mention KG was known to be non agressive in the playoffs like I said. Tim Duncan played along with the system to make it flawless, but in the T-Wolves offence he woulda just had free reign to do whatever he wanted, and although that doesn't get you chips he woulda been looked at as an all time scorer and dominant force even more then he already was. Would he have won a chip as a wolf? naw, but he woulda had better success then KG. And would KG have won 5 rings with the spurs? Probably not, more like 2 or 3. And I do agree with you KG is one of the best two-way bigs of all time and I do think he is disrespected alot, but Tim Duncan is even more disrespected and looked over, he is easily the best PF of all time and in the words of Boogie Cousins "I don't wanna hear no top 5s without hearing Tim Duncan in them".

[@DaintyBroom2233]

@@aries148 Also KG joining a superteam is not the same as being the clear cut best player on a team, and KG wasn't even the closer in those games it was always Pierce and Allen

[@babobereta]

I honestly have no clue what these guys are on about sometimes. Duncan was Finals MVP in 99, Spurs did have very good team, but he was a key piece that pushed them over the line. Also, they made great decisions after that in drafting Parker and Manu, both all star players and they knew how to get quality pieces around them,them role players. Also, the type of player Duncan was fit perfectly with Tony and Manu. He was a superstar and the best defensive player, but not one of those superstars that has to take most shots every night and have the best numbers all the time. This allowed Tony and Manu to play their game and do their thing, and all of them were completely selfless and put team success above everything else. Parker was legit one of the best PG in the league for years and Manu was an all star player coming off the bench for years. You put KG on that team instead of Tim and who knows what happens and what the dynamics would be, especially since Garnett was known for not liking foreign players while the Spurs became what they did by knowing how to utilize underrated international players far better than any other team in the league

[@reirobb97]

Im a biased KG fan. Tim was a monster. He also came to a perennial playoff veteran squad and a organization that was pretty stable. KG went to an organization that was 6 yrs old, not stable, made critical mistakes, did under the table deals that cost them 1st rd draft picks and KG wasted prime years there. Pop cared for Tim and stretched out his career with load management and cuttin his minutes down to have him fresh for the playoffs. From 26-35 Tim went from 39 min to 28, decreasing every yr. Kevin Garnett, who came in the league 2 yrs younger, at age 30 before he got traded to Boston, played 39 min. Minny ran him to the ground

[@BigZoFarnham]

💯

[@kmofficial8108]

one of those mistakes was not paying Marbury ! Him and KG would’ve been a great 1-2 force !

[@MegaGC8]

TD’s unselfish and humble nature is what allowed the Spurs organization to blossom the way it did. He let himself be coached like any other player and carried no ego. I don’t know that KG would have done that, I doubt it.

[@aaron5049]

Duncan won with 3 different core groups. Try again. Also, he started taking less money to win. And if you honestly think that Duncan wouldn't have won more with Minnesota than KG did with Minnesota, then you cannot be helped

[@NBADRACO23]

Duncan one with 2 groups 😑 1 with David Robison the other 4 is with Tony Parker & Ginobli cut it out.

[@Notmenotever]

​@@NBADRACO23i think it is like three different core 1. David R 2. Tony and ginobili 3. Tony and kawhi. Ginoboli was good on that last team but i think it was more duncan, parker, kawhi

[@aaron5049]

Leonard and Diaw were pivotal members of that core. Leonard, the finals MVP, clearly supplanted Manu, who cost them the chip the previous season. Leonard was one of three Spurs playing over 30 minutes per game in the finals. The other two? Duncan and Parker. Core depth is what made that 2014 team so different. You can't play the beautiful game without it. But hey, keep viewing the world in your way.

[@aries148]

He does not win with that Twolves roster and coach… 😂😂😂 please stop!

[@aaron5049]

@aries148 You're not reading properly. I said, "win more with Minnesota." You'll get there, don't worry. Duncan is a culture setter, far more psychologically inclined, and a lot easier to build around. Anyone thinking swapping out these two players is a cut and paste change needs help. You're assuming things will go precisely the same way, and that's not how it works in reality. There's a reason guys like Billups talk about how a player like Tony Parker wouldn't be looked at, be as successful as, without being in SA. And if you think Duncan is not the foundational component to that, then I can't do anything for you. Keep thinking people are interchangeable, even in the same tier of talent. That's not how the world works. That's not how teams work. It's just a provocative topic.

[@hooverredman5167]

KG would’ve won 3 championships in my opinion that is 1999, 2005, and 2007 but depending on how Tim Duncan changes that Minnesota culture I can still see Duncan as the better player than KG

[@EGarrett01]

When Kevin Garnett got Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell, both past their primes, he took the team to the Western Conference Finals and won league MVP. When he got Ray Allen and Paul Pierce, he won the championship. It's pretty obvious to me that KG would have similar results in Duncan's role.

[@SO_S55m]

I wonder if Gil feels the same way about himself. Like if he was drafted to a winning team, he would be considered a greater player…maybe even a HOF player. He seems to not be impressed with the guys like Duncan and Magic, and Kobe who lands on good teams vs starting with bad teams. 🤷‍♂️

[@Boss3Nate]

It's Timmy... I'm a massive KG fan but c'mon Duncan is crazy underrated. If Duncan is on those Celtics team I'm betting they win more than one championship. I don't necessarily think KG wins 5 with Spurs. Duncan fits any system... he was gonna be successful basically anywhere

[@MOC_seven]

and I will give KG more tons of credit for being capable of making the T’WOLVES playoff appearances, I’m liking the respect Duncan is getting from the community but also understanding how also great KG was individually as well. Both are the greatest two way PFs of all time

[@Boss3Nate]

@@MOC_seven nobody questions how great KG was... he's still in the spotlight and involved in the NBA today. Duncan somehow was an afterthought even while playing... it's even worse now. I'm not even a Duncan "fan".. but it's criminal how underrated he is

[@nukeboy4939]

Yeah I love the hell of KG but, I can't deny was better offensive player especially in the post/clutch.

[@edwardprather4840]

Garnett get hurt in ,09 he wasn't the same

[@supasmits]

Timmy doesn't win more than that 1 championship with the Celtics at that point in his career ('08 and beyond)

[@yangling4755]

I love this show. they could ve just answer the question "who is better", instead of they argue about something totally off the topic for most of the time

[@juice07x]

KG come playoffs wasn’t aggressive on offense even in His Minnesota days. Duncan in big games took his offensive game to another level.

[@ThaninViriyaki]

KG stans don't want to hear that truth about playoff KG. LOL. His own teammate, Sczerbiak once called him out for not having the clutch gene. ""KG is another one who lacks the #clutchgene. Always has!"" You don't see or hear any former all-stars that played with Tim say stuff like that. KG had a 5-year span where he won a total of 2 games in the playoffs. As talented as he is, winning 2 games in 5 playoffs is crazy. Meanwhile Tim spearheaded the longest streak of 50-win seasons in NBA history.

[@tolaoni6058]

A rare situation that Rashad is right 😂😂

[@HighStakesBBall]

Tim is better. They keep forgetting that Tim did it with 2 different core rosters. Additionally in 2 different eras. Lastly he was one putback from going 6-0 in the finals.

[@georgeparker8198]

3 different 1 rings with Him and David Robinson before Ginobli and Parker were there. 3 rings with Ginobli and Parker 1 another ring with Kawhi

[@IknowMoreThanYou]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂INCORRECT. TIM AND KG WERE EXACTLY THE SAME PLAYER. YOU SIMPLY NAMED 2 ALL TIME GREAT SUPPORTING CASTS LMAOO AND HIS LAST 4 YEARS HE WAS BEING CARRIED

[@whatsyourpointfacts7082]

@@IknowMoreThanYouno he wasn’t casual tf 🙏🙏🤣🤣

[@whatsyourpointfacts7082]

@@IknowMoreThanYoukg literally left the west because it was to stacked 🙏🙏🙏

[@nicyee3701]

​@@IknowMoreThanYouKG would've crumbled under popovich. Tim was the core engine to the spurs dynasty.

[@nefewtae-ts6ud]

To be fair it wasn’t a intentional tank the team was suffering from injuries, also duncan average over 20 pts and 10 rebounds his rookie year so he wasn’t just along for the ride, I firmly believe the spurs wouldve won with KG as well he was also a HOF Talent, But tim would’ve had sustained success regardless where he was drafted he was that generational, Ticket is a HOF Great, Fundamentals was a Generational Great

[@KDubble32]

They didn't sit players just to sit them,David Robinson was out most of that year with a back injury

[@Sideshow_k94]

Kg played for 3 different teams and got 1 ring Duncan has 5 rings on 1 team and was consistent the whole time

[@brooklynzoo1838]

Man shut up kg wasn’t bought in a winning situation Duncan always had teams from jump!!

[@younglove3362]

Duncan didn't need to leave. He had the greatest coach and a strong core. KG only had a strong core 2004, 2008, and 2010 through maybe 2013. Stop ✋️! Any time he had.a legit squad the team either got to the finals or won. Had KG been on the Spurs he's better and more effective than Duncan. Assist, steals, free throws, rebounds, and mid ranges compensate for blocks.

[@Sideshow_k94]

@@brooklynzoo1838 he literally played for the Celtics with other stars and still only got 1 what u mean that was a winning situation and Brooklyn was a winning situation to

[@Sideshow_k94]

@@younglove3362 kg only went to the finals twice and that was with the Celtics what do u mean that was a winning situation

[@iSpeakGodsWords]

This is what Gil is saying. KG had to bring a horrible team up whereas Duncan didnt.

[@wesmyone9562]

Seems like Gil didn't put much respect on Duncan's name🤔

[@d.ferris3964]

This is a great topic and I never seeing it taking anything away from Duncan. It’s just contextualizing the circumstances of being drafted by a stable organization, great players, and one of the greatest NBA coaches of all time. KG and Duncan m, imo, are equally skilled and talented, one just had better fortune. But that doesn’t take away from Duncan being the greatest power forward all time. Plus I have KG #2 best power forward anyways. It’s a nice hypothetical discussion.

[@sakeen1982]

Gil moved the goalpost 50x. 😂😂😂Rashad got this 1

[@masteroneal]

McCants won this one, Gil’s point about the Spurs being a better chance to win is fair but falls apart once you factor in the fact that Parker and Ginobili were drafted later in the timeline. They could’ve easily picked earlier in those drafts and not gotten either one of those guys. And whose to say that the guys they would’ve gotten would fit with KG as well as Parker and Ginobili fit with Tim? That being said; Tim won 5 with the Spurs, I have no reason to believe that KG would have won any more or any less if they traded places, I say it’s a tie.

[@ericmclean4291]

I think people aren't thinking about if was drafted Timmy by Minnesota. Firstly, he would have been easier to build around in that era. Secondly, the Timberwolves would've won a few series due to Tim being vastly superior to KG in their youth. Third and most importantly, Timmy would have left if the team wasn't improving. He had already decided to leave the Spurs for the Magic in 2000 before Doc fumbled the deal. Even after winning a championship he conveyed the landscapes and realized what he, Hill and T-Mac could do in the eastern conference. KG allowed himself to be out of the mix for a long time. Timmy would have made his way to a contender.

[@kewan2045]

Mccants lost. Robinson got injured and maybe they tanked. Point is they were a 50 win team every year then When drafted one of the best bigs in a decade. Ginobli and Parker learned the culture and contributed later. Sean Elliot, Mario Ellie, Bruce Bowen, Avery Johnson and 3 other role players. They were tough for years. Imagine if Len bias lived we wouldn’t know Jordan the same

[@ACGreenTV]

Right … they be about even

[@nkrumansantos1794]

If you watched the Spurs during 99-2016, excluding the 2014 team, all of the had many flaws. Not enough guards, not enogh bigs, not many legit SF. How many All-star selections do Tim Duncan's teammates had compared to KG? Yet Tuncan won more. Duncan was the glue that made the team make sense on offense and defense.

[@kewan2045]

@@nkrumansantos1794 What?!!! Who were the hall of famers KD played with in Minnesota? What hall of famers Duncan play with? I have no bias but Kd would’ve won at least 3 or June more in San Antonio. Only she could turn them around

[@joeledwards5048]

Rashad is right on this on. Spurs was a good team, but they wasn’t much outside of David Robinson. Them picking up Tim did push them over the hill.

[@0624tre]

That's why I was laughing they weren't good they just had David Robinson That's like saying lebron team was already great in Cleveland 😂😂 no they just had lebron. 1 great player in the nba can make a team end up with the best record. But they will end up not winning shit

[@DaintyBroom2233]

@@0624tre On top of all that Robinson wasn't his prime self, he was still a great player but the clear number 1 option Timmy's first ring was Tim Duncan

[@1SuperD1]

@@0624treGil is basically saying if you add a number one pick on a championship contender it makes them win a championship. For example, if you put blanchero on the warriors or any other championship contender they are winning the championship last season.

[@0624tre]

@1SuperD1 lmao but that's false. How many number 1 picks are bust. Stop it bro

[@aries148]

Tim Duncan does not do that on the T-Wolves. Gil is right lmao.

[@davidprice4777]

Both are great:Duncan so fundamentally sound offensively and defensively:KG was a defensive terror(all 5 positions)and all around offensive player.Funal analysis, Duncan was quiet and great,KG was hyper and great !HOF'-s to the fullness!

[@RaySmith79]

Gilbert is wild. Tim Duncan beat eveeyone in their prime. He wasnt lacking.

[@Moscattt]

Gil straight up missed with this take 😂

[@atlanta1290]

Organization matters. The Spurs were a good organization and successful team prior to acquiring Duncan.

[@brownchr014]

@@atlanta1290 but like Mccants said they didn't win. That changed with Duncan though.

[@CA3iNC]

KG and Tim Duncan were so close that it's absolutely true. Almost all of their numbers are identical. Main difference in their career was Tim playing for the Spurs and KG was in Minnesota. That's fact

[@hardwoodthought1213]

Or that Duncan was a capable playoff scorer and KG wasn’t

[@CA3iNC]

@@hardwoodthought1213 Kevin Garnett consistently averaged more points in the playoffs than he did in the regular-season what are you talkin about

[@hardwoodthought1213]

@@CA3iNC I said volume scoring You know how many 30+ points playoff games KG had? 7. Duncan had 38 You know KGs career high was 35? Sam Cassell at 36, in his one season with Minnesota had 2 40 point playoff games. Troy Hudson scored more in a playoff games for Minnesota than KG did. KG never won a playoff series unless he had 2 near 20 PPG scorers. Duncan won a title averaging more than his 2 and 3 best scorers averaged COMBINED. That’s the difference. Duncan could get you 40+ in a WCF v Kobe and Shaq, and thus could elevate inferior teams to wins. KG could not.

[@CA3iNC]

You said "Capable Playoff Scorer" Don't try to change it up

[@CA3iNC]

@@hardwoodthought1213 Duncan had a better team and saw single coverage and less double teams in the playoffs than KG. KG also didn't have Pop as his coach. Tim Duncan Played 100 more playoff Games. KG had gis first deep run in the playoffs at 27. He wasn't consistently going deep until he got to Boston (A Good Team and Organization) Tim Duncan played more meaningful basketball during his younger years when he was very capable of getting 30. KG simply was with a bad Organization. And a VOLUME SCORER is not someone who drops 30 a lot but someone who needs a lot of shots to be effective. Learn some more about basketball besides just reading stats.

[@khaleelmartin6202]

For me Tim Duncan falls into that Magic Johnson category too. He got drafted to the Lakers who were a 5th-seed team when they picked Magic. Imagine if GS drafted Ant Edwards, his career would turn out totally different. Tim's coach was Pop his entire career, and KG had Doc, a much lesser coach. They did their thing when it was all said and done, but we can't ignore that they got a headstart in the league. We have to seriously consider this when weighing Minnesota to San Antonio in the 90s. Not saying KG would've won 5 rings, but he would've definitely had more than 3 as a Spur.

[@jamalwalker]

The Lakers were falling apart before Magic got there they were averaging 45 wins a sean and were getting knocked out of the playoffs every year in the first and second round

[@unclevic6078]

The devalue of Tim Duncan is crazy

[@mca217]

I think what's not being said is that if the Spurs thought that KG would've been that great they could've traded up for him in the draft. No one really knew Minnesota was going to take KG at 5.

[@flackojr8159]

Duncan was a top 5 player in the country 😂😂😂

[@yvans.]

@@flackojr8159 KG or Duncan

[@ZVYWMx]

That’s not his argument lol he saying how players are looked at differently when they win early in there career

[@MrDiMES123]

They just didn’t want it to wait for a high schooler to develop

[@stevenscummy1458]

They were in different drafts 2 years apart anyway so, in this hypothetical situation I think we would be swapping ages too. Tim Duncan would finish his college career in 1995 and get drafted, and KG would be coming out of high school in 1997. To make sure the timelines of the two teams stay the same

[@evandupree6085]

I think the point Gil is trying to make is that the way we view certain players has a lot to do with their circumstances and not necessarily how good they are in comparison to other players. It’s possible that KG could’ve had a better career than Duncan if they’re roles were reversed. That wouldn’t mean that KG is better than him though but the entire narrative around the conversation would change.

[@innovance3788]

Yeh! It's weird that this doesn't seem to be being grasped very well...

[@masteroneal]

This point in a vacuum or as a generality is fair. But applying this point to Tim Duncan is insane.

[@fresh2def23231]

Yo gil stupid

[@MatthewFilms123]

facts

[@TurKishsoulja]

It's actually the opposite. People that win who are in good systems get looked down upon. "He couldn't do that on a shit team". lol give me a break. Being a top scorer on a shit team is looked upon more favorably. Look at how overrated players like Bradley Beal and Dame are..

[@MOC_seven]

They fail to realize David Robinson was already hurt in 1996. They also fail to realize the Spurs the following year after they won the championship lost to the Phoenix Suns without Jason Kidd, who called up retired KJ in the first round when Tim Duncan was injured. They also get bounced out by the superstar Shaq and Kobe Lakers until 2003 where Duncan kicked both of their asses and won the Spurs a title without a all-star caliber player, Drob was washed, Parker and Manu were young and not all-star caliber ready. KG would not win the 2003 ring that Duncan was able to win with them. I think Duncan could win a ring with Minnesota in 2004, maybe… but that is a hypothetical scenario that cannot be proven factually. Tim Duncan is the greatest PF of all time for still being able to win 2003 which is his most impressive ring, multiple MVPs, won 3 titles with a co-superstar, or with two all-stars in a seven game series, being coachable, pay-cuts, no drama and Coach Pop in those early spurs systems relied heavily on Tim Duncan more so than what we think of Spurs basketball in the mid 2000s to the 2010s. I also would like to mention that Kevin Garnett was the best player in 2004 even if he couldn’t lead them to a championship, a western conf finals appearance with the roster he had and Cassell being injured in a series didn’t help either, KG was also very impressive

[@mhairsto24]

Kenyon Martin sitting there with his hand on his face is classic 😂😂😂😂😂, in his mind he's saying... DAMNIT!!

[@bigTforreal]

Tim Duncan was a polished center coming out of Wake Forest that could play both the 4 and the 5. Tim Duncan became the number 1 option on the Spurs by his second season. Sean Elliott was a shell of himself after his injuries. There was a decline in David Robinson game as well due to his back injuries. They didn't have any other scorers on that 1999 Spurs team. The Spurs heavily relied on Tim Duncan. KG was a 3/4, and I felt like his game wasn't polished until around 2003.

[@dusk6159]

Kenyon Martin got to know how dominant and good of a player TD was, he got owned by him in the biggest stages, he should think twice before pulling stuff like "HOFer".

[@AbuAminaAK]

TD played full college years, KG was drafted as a High schooler

[@davidchandler6885]

kg was never dominate like duncan and im not a fan either@@AbuAminaAK

[@AbuAminaAK]

@@davidchandler6885 more dominant doesn't always mean better right?

[@bigTforreal]

@@AbuAminaAK Correct. That's my point. TD was more polished and he came into the league as the most skilled post player in the league. TD created double teams all the time. Gil made a comment saying you put KG on that 99 Spurs team, the Spurs would have still won. I disagree. KG wasn't causing havoc in the post in 1999. I remember KG was still trying to figure it out. Especially since he went from playing the 3 to the 4. TD carried the Spurs with his post game in 1999, he averaged 27pts and 14 Reb in the NBA Finals. Next leading scorer was David Robinson at 16pts per game and Mario Ellie averaging 11pts per game in that 1999 NBA Finals. TD was a number 1 options causing havoc and demanding double teams. No Tony Parker and No Ginobli. KG wasn't there yet with his game. Just my opinion from what I watched and studied. I love both players. I just disagree with Gil on this one.

[@MaxHankins444]

2003 finals from Duncan was more impressive than anything KG did during his whole career and it’s not close. And I’m a huge KG fan

[@TTFMjock]

That's only if you're looking at scoring,

[@TheSwagIsBack]

Are u drunk?

[@Letthat]

kg going to wcf vs lakers was what did it for me. he gets sprewell and never had a top 10 coach and he won mvp and dpoy. you acting like tim averages better career numbers. kg beats tim across the board in career averages and has more assist than him

[@artix003]

@@Letthat and td wouldn't average better career numbers with kg's teammates? context matters

[@aking2330]

​@@LetthatTim did have better numbers all around. The points is different because he wasn't shouldnt as much. We got to stop acting like KG didn't have help...sprewell was way better then tony parker and ginolbli. Parker was over hyped and definitely shouldn't be a hall of famer

[@cwl1919]

I follow along regularly. I’ve never agreed with Rashad on ANYTHING, he’s all cap, but this time he actually made sense…

[@DiezelFuel08]

Nah Duncan could’ve won one with the Wolves… he was like that from ‘99-‘07… real difference maker. Them playoff matchups at the PF vs Webber, Sheed, Dirk, Yao, Stoudimire, Garnett, and Duncan bested all of them in post season match ups. Greatest PF on the PF era

[@jodiazcpu]

The Spurs did not have DR available that year because of injuries. They did not tank on purpose.

[@abeyang2856]

Yes they did tank on purpose 🙄

[@jodiazcpu]

DR was injured, he had an injured back and had to missed the entire season. He had surgery on his back and was never the same. Those are the facts.

[@THE_HORSEYY]

@@jodiazcpuobviously fake to tank Brody think😂😂

[@southernflavamaker]

​@@abeyang2856they definitely tanked fam lol

[@MrDiMES123]

They did

[@jaydell4039]

KG not winning as much chips as Duncan did on that team. Duncan was in college all four years and was a mature adult. KG wasn’t good his first year in the league. Tim came in a finished product averaging 20 and 10. Kg didn’t hit that till his third year

[@TehThxsis]

Yes

[@mogulme6190]

Doesn’t even matter. If Duncan doesn’t go to the spurs he’s not who he is and he doesn’t win nearly as much

[@The_real_shoota4]

Kg got drafted years earlier than him .. use your brain in 99 kg averaged 20 and 10.. on that spurs team that is a championship

[@TitusLennon]

Gil's still not wrong. If Duncan and KG switch roles, their legacies would be different. Duncan would likely not be a 5-time champ. KG would likely have won more than 1 ring. Does it mean KG would have won 5? Who knows. But their legacies would have been drastically different.

[@JaysPlayDays]

@@The_real_shoota4 before Parker and Manu? tall order for KG. I guess we forgot about TWolves in 2004 with the Top Seed

[@monkehp]

They're missing a very important detail. Gil said 2 years before drafting Tim, Spurs won 59. The next year, i.e. the year before drafting Tim, David Robinson was INJURED, which allowed them to tank to 20 wins, and get Tim. Robinson then came back the next year. It would be like having a perennial contender with a previous MVP get injured one year, and the next, they get Lebron. A decent (but not perfect) example would be if KG got injured in 2002-2003 and the Wolves were able to pick Lebron. Obviously that would have made a giant difference in both of their careers.

[@TDE247]

KG had Paul, Rondo, and Allen but managed to win only once. If Tim had Paul, Rondo, and Allen, he would likely achieve multiple titles.

[@Shiftnlift]

Ginobli Tony Parker David Robinson Gregg poppivich boy if u don't sit down

[@russell9411]

Ur right but the truth is kg was older

[@patrickadams3945]

This was a good ass debate. Gilbert was getting cooked 😂😂

[@domingogalindojr.5266]

I can see both sides but I’m leaning more with Rashad due to the fact that even though San Antonio was a solid team before Duncan got there, no championships were won til he got added on.

[@ACGreenTV]

If KG was added to the Spurs they would’ve won. Nobody was gonna even beat the Bulls in the 90s anyway

[@andrewrager7431]

Gil emotional asf. Dude really trying to argue that TD didn’t really impact the Spurs that much, they tanked to get a good pick, and they would have been even better with KG is crazy. This is more nuanced than Gil’s ignorant take. TD’s level head and basketball IQ would have made him successful on any team. But, the Spurs were the perfect fit, and he attributed to their dynasty run better than KG could have. At the same time, the type of player TD was, he probably couldn’t have impacted the Twolves the way KG did. Both teams got what was best for their situations.

[@bdot4774]

Tbh I’m just thinking of how crazy Boston would have been with Tim omg.. especially when you consider the fact that Duncan’s game aged way better that Kgs

[@bball90]

Damn. I didn’t know David Robinson breaking his foot in 96-97 was the Spurs tanking. Learn something new everyday lmaooo

[@dannyheel1]

I think Pop broke into the Admiral's house one night with a bat and a tape of a Wake Forest game. After Pop clubbed David's foot, he showed him the tape so the cops wouldn't be called.

[@Matthew-xl5bc]

What separates KG and Duncan is playoff scoring. Duncan was a much better playoff scorer than KG was. KG didn’t have the best post game.

[@goat-status3715]

Tim was just better

[@christopherwilliams7844]

Fax

[@drayz9655]

Kg was just a big ticket for regular season tickeys, bro did nothing without the superteam of the celtics

[@r.b.6432]

THANK YOU!

[@mrmacross]

Totally agreed. Garnett did a handful of things better than Duncan, but if he's your lead scorer for a contender, you're going to run into problems come playoff time.

[@mandlatube]

Got to love Gil's show, these guys are real.

[@vicegripp]

Miami Heat fan here... but if you swap EXACT career paths of each person, I bet Duncan gets more than 1 chip in Boston w/ Pierce & Allen. 👀

[@lorenzowalkerjr2231]

No disrespect to KG but TD was an efficient scorer. These facts matter when discussing the post season. TD was had a package that was simply unmatched, KG had a mentally that was elite that could carry a team beyond a championship but TD was simply that guy although quite quite while destroying in the post season - a spurs fan

[@aries148]

Does TD get 5 rings with T-Wolves? No he does not. Please stop. He was good but not a Lebron, Curry, MJ type of talent where they shifted the franchise. Spurs was solid BEFORE TD got there. Gil was right here.

[@qualiswilliams7403]

No disrespect to Tim but some of that success individually comes from his team and team style...Tim career looks no different than kg if he lands in Minnesota...where you land determines a lot ..I'm not Jordan fan but I understand if he'd been drafted to a great team maybe he has 7 chips maybe if LeBron goes to the pistons instead of the Cavs he has 6-7 chips now bruh that shit matters

[@tvdij]

​​@@qualiswilliams7403Tim could have had 8 championships with the Spurs... 2004 derailed by 0.4seconds shot by Derek Fisher against the Lakers 2006 derailed by Manu and-1 in game 7 foul on Dirk (Spurs were up 3points...Manu just needed to let dirk have the 2 points). Mavs end up in OT and take that game. 2013 Ray Allen shot (with TD off the floor due to Pop) where if that shot doesn't go down, TD gets his fourth Finals MVP... That's how amazing TD was. He could conceivably have 8 championships. Also TD carried the 2003 Spurs to a championship. Check the 2nd best scorer on that playoff roster (D Rob's last year, Manu rookie year, TP had a rough finals as a 20/21 year old). TD carried that team like Hakeem and Dirk did their teams.

[@holdmyweight3597]

@tvdij All of this is just hypothetical and your opinion. Like if the Spurs had won in 2013, do they really repeat in 2014. Winning 1 year (in which they initially didn’t) affects them winning a year they did actually win.

[@cooperdeshawn]

David Robinson was injured and missed most of the season previous season before Duncan was drafted

[@phoenixmg]

That's right. That back injury ended his prime. David was able to recover but he couldn't carry a franchise anymore. He lost some speed and athleticism thanks to that. He had to let Tim Duncan take over. The Spurs didn't tank. The team was good but they were like the Indianapolis Colts during the Peyton Manning Era. When Peyton got hurt, that killed the Colts because they were so centered around him. They didn't have anybody to fall back on until Andrew Luck came along. The Spurs needed Tim to pull up.

[@ddavis8988]

Amd he could've come back earlier, but management told him to take his time cause they knew they could possible get the # 1 pick.

[@mrmacross]

@@ddavis8988 Agreed, Robinson was legitimately hurt, but the Spurs seized the opportunity to tank. "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

[@bball90]

Facts. Back injury AND a broken foot. I’d sit my star player too

[@kifley19]

Gil is right. Duncan is not winning 5 chips with the t-wolves. I do think he was still a better individual player than Garnett though.

[@kevinhu3515]

Funny how these guys didn’t realize that the spurs did not intentionally“tank it” to get Tim Duncan. The reason they were good in the prior years was because of that one guy named “David Robinson”. In the 96-97 season David Robinson went down with a season ending injury in the 6th game of the season. The spurs played almost the entire season without Robinson was the reason they ended up with one of the worst record in the league. The season before the admiral went down, he was averaging 25 points, 12+ rebounds, 3 assists, 1.7 steals and 3.3 blocks per game. By that point the admiral had won a MVP award, a defensive player of the year award, a scoring title, a rebounding title and a block shot title. In another word, aside from the assist department, the admiral pretty much lead his team in every other statistical category… take away David Robinson, the spurs have no other stars to make up for the loss of his high level production on both ends of the floor…

[@PhilBurr100]

All i know is if Duncan is drafted to Minnesota he doesn't take 8 years to win a playoff series..

[@0624tre]

And it wasn't like them Timberwolves teams was sorry as Gil making it seem lol

[@jware5431]

^^ Duncan won in '03.. With a washed David Robinson and a 2nd year Tony Parker as his 2nd & 3rd best players. At that time, Latrell Sprewell & Sam Cassell were considerably better options.

[@jware5431]

​@GinessyKaige of course no one thought that, because no one thought that KG was better than Duncan or Shaq. KG had a 5-year stretch where his team was a top 4 talented team in the west, and he never made it to a finals. From '99-'05, if you take Timmy & KG away from their teams, their rosters were comparable. That time frame resulted in 3 chips & 2 MVPs for Timmy, and no final appearances and 1 MVP for KG.

[@0624tre]

@GinessyKaige we didn't think the Timberwolves was getting pass anybody because Duncan wasn't on the team lol If Duncan was on the team we would have thought they would make it further U do realize 1 year the Timberwolves had like the best record when they had sprewell and Cassell 🤔 they still loss early

[@0624tre]

@@jware5431 I was saying the same shit. That wasn't the all star David Robinson he played with and won that championship with lol

[@TheHomeman]

1 day I was watching a game on NBC and Dominic Wilkins started to dominate during a game and they sat him down right after the announcer said wouldn't it be great if Tim Duncan came to this team to play with David Robinson after heals from injury

[@jeromewilliams591]

Duncan is probably the best power forward in NBA history but I'm a KG guy and he's always in my top 5 starting lineup...they are two different PF but both are great and HOFs

[@OmegalevelCord]

That's a terrible take. Tim was more ready than KG when they came out their respective drafts. David Robinson was on the downside of his career and Tim held him up for a few years before he retired. KG in year two would not have beaten that Knicks team and might have only left with maybe 2 rings if he had Tim Duncan's tenured career.

[@aradoubya7721]

KG career is underrated. Mismanagement didn't give him a chance. From Steph leaving to the Joe Smith fiasco in Minnesota. He gets a title, then gets injured defending it. The fact he took that awful franchise to the playoffs every year and turning around the Celtics, respect. That said, Duncan is the greatest of the era!

[@chrisnafaries7359]

Big W for McCants this one 😂💀

[@dntgetmadent5186]

At this point I need rashad to switch with the camera man lol

[@Ben2bwild]

Gil is absolutely right. KG is more talented but Duncan has the better resume. If they switched teams, KG would have had the better career too. KG wasted his prime in Minnesota.

[@romemvp]

The Spurs didn't Tank. David Robinson for injured and missed the vast majority of the season. The Spurs missed the Playoffs, were lottery eligible and won the first pick. Im sure the NBA wouldve prefered Duncan to be in a better market

[@brooklynzoo1838]

🧢

[@mobrown1198]

@@GinessyKaigeyou do know that that was Pops first year as coach? He was almost fired midway through Duncan’s second season. The Spurs were a good team prior to Duncan. The year that Robinson missed the season was their first time not making the playoffs in their history. David Robinson was a former league MVP and head and shoulders the best player. They absolutely sucked without him. I have been a Spurs fan since I first saw George Gervin play live as a kid. There are also far more intangibles that Duncan brought to the table than KG. I saw Duncan destroy all the other great players of that era. All the other bigs. He was that great. The way he ran the floor and his overall skill set. Gil. Is tripping. He was good way, good enough to put up 32 and 10 his first playoff game. How many players have done that… ever. It anything the Spurs had a defensive system. Duncan’s offensive prowess was due to his skill and ability to run the floor as a big. Most young fans remember the old Tim Duncan. They have no clue on how he dominated KG when KG was in his prime. The Spurs didn’t tank. Duncan was better than KG. That’s the story.

[@Dusty_Flair]

I was looking for this, David Robinson got hurt early in the year. He played like 10 games then was out. Maybe they tanked once Robinson was out, but they weren't tanking with Robinson playing the whole year.

[@0624tre]

They actually did and this coming from a spurs fan. People don't believe Robinson was actually that hurt. The spurs just told him to sit

[@Jsneebs42]

If you swap Duncan for KG in 99, 03, or 05 the Spurs still win. Simple as that. Forget how they were drafted because they were basically the same age more or less. Both were top tier players by 99

[@cchampaine179]

What if Michael Jordan went to another team??? I hate these discussions..listen ppl don’t put enough on td name he got five chips regardless..KG is a beast as well it’s just how it went..

[@mogulme6190]

Saying that’s just how it went is the point of the discussion. Some players are lauded for essentially being drafted to a already championship ready team

[@moneymoney3235]

Mj retired rather than not play for the best coach and best team. Best 2 defenders all time and best rebounder. When he wasn’t on bulls he ain’t make playoffs

[@cchampaine179]

@@moneymoney3235 and all that happened because it was destiny.. you just made my point

[@Kirbystare1992]

Agreed this why we should compare players on skill level not resumes cause all that’ll be is a big discredit the other side game.

[@stackntax1308]

The thing people forget about KG or not old enough to remember watching is that he played very much perimeter… in a era where you had 2 big guys in the paint he physically couldn’t dominate in the post like Duncan who had a more physical presence on the block just go back and watch kg he literally would stand at the top of the key and feed a guy in the post

[@user-ov4zo4vf1q]

He played against Timmy and said Timmy would give you the business and talk shit in the low by time you figure it out you mad .😂😂😂😢

[@dusk6159]

Arenas doesn't even remember that TD had phenomal play and was a dominant force in the court, and he played him (and got owned by him in the 2000s). He makes it sound like Duncan was some Mutombo, Aldridge, Ewing type of player.

[@CheapSkateGrower]

Damn, Ewing catching strays 😢

[@Cream-2128]

@@CheapSkateGrowerfacts like this dude said Ewing like he wasn’t a guy scoring 27 a game