Gil's Arena BATTLES Over Shaq's Take On Superteams

Gil's Arena BATTLES Over Shaq's Take On Superteams as Gilbert Arenas and The Gil's Arena Crew discuss Shaquille O'Neal comparing the current superteam era of the NBA to the 90's & 2000's and saying he wishes it would've been acceptable back then so he could have played with Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen like Kevin Durant playing with the Golden State Warriors.
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[@anthonyphillips8393]

Shout out McCants for sticking to the context of Shaq’s statement. They are arguing two different points. In this case McCants is arguing the point that matters (Shaq’s point)

[@jordananthony5882]

💯

[@Jeanuwine]

I’m a Shaq fan and I’m still traumatized by Shaqs move.. I totally understand why Cleveland hated LeBron for leaving.. Miami Loved him for coming and Boston and Lakers Fans hated him for making it a little easier for himself when competing against their Dynasty 🤷🏾‍♂️.. I still a fan of Shaq, it’s life

[@NVRSTATQUO15]

Nah Gil is just special needs… and Kenyon Martin letting them talk he can give an first hand examples but he’s too busy pretending to be young

[@vincentjones7253]

Man he be cookin Gil be trying to change stuff to be right

[@jasonfoster8217]

This time I agree with McCant

[@mrblend]

yall know yall fucked up when Rashad is the only one making the actual point.

[@jacobsworld9253]

Rashad is making no point. There's person A and person B who did the exact same thing. He takes the side of person A and penalizes person B. Barkley hopped around trying to win, Rashad covers for him. Shaq did it, Rashad covers for him. But when LeBron left the Cavs who he had 60 wins with just like Shaq had 60 wins in Orlando to go play for a better organization, Rashad penalizes LeBron. Shaq has played with prime Penny, Kobe, Wade, Nash & Stoudemire in Phoenix, LeBron, that Celtics squad with Rondo, Allen, Paul & KG. That's Shaq's entire career. 0 dead spots as far as to tier talent around him. The only great player he DIDNT play with was Jordan lol. It just doesn't sit right coming from him. If Hakeem said that, then everyone would have to be quiet because Hakeem won where he was drafted and MJ himself said he's glad he avoided Hakeem on the big stage. But for Barkley & Shaq to come at any player for wanting to play with other good players is so funny.

[@jamesharden9]

shut up@@jacobsworld9253

[@jovangaines4113]

Facts lol

[@simonballister1224]

@@jacobsworld9253Not the exact same thing. In fact it's not even close. Barkley was unhappy in Philly and got traded. He wanted to go to Portland but they didn't pull off the trade. He had one last legitimate gasp when the Rockets traded for him to team up with also past their primes Olajuwon and Drexler but he was physically breaking down and despite adding Pippen after the Bulls broke up they still never reached the Finals. Shaq was a free agent and was trying to establish himself in the acting/rap game. He chased money not rings. When he joined LA, Kobe was an unknown commodity. Eventually, Kobe wanted to be the alpha and the Lakers chose to send an aging but still potent Shaq to Miami to pair with a promising rookie in Wade. Wade had only one year under his belt before Shaq joined the Heat he wasn't a mega star. The rest of his stints? Sure you could say he chased rings but when washed up former greats do that it is acceptable because they are no longer in their prime and are no longer capable of carrying a team. Even if they win, they won't get the lions share of credit. When LeBron and Bosh joined Wade in Miami they CHOSE to team up. They did so early in their primes. They controlled their destiny. Barkley chose to be traded and had little choice where he ended up. Shaq chased money, he never colluded with other players to team up in LA or Miami. Same for Durant, he CHOSE to team up with Steph and Klay. LeBron and KD will always be known as ring chasers and they made that choice knowing the optics. They took the easy road. No need to defend them.

[@user-vm6kw1fs3r]

exactly cuz magic didnt want to pay shaq until after the lakers offered that 100 million contract... so your wrong Gilbert lol

[@Teaguekid94]

Ray Allen was 36 years old when he joined Miami. He was also 5 years from his last all-star appearance. KD was a top 3 player in the League and went to the team that beat after going up 3-1

[@kingksoSouth]

“Oh my gosh bro” I swear me and Rashad Had enough of Gil’s lies at the same time 😂😂😂

[@JayBecton]

If Gil is yelling, that usually means that he's wrong 😂

[@chitownkidd33]

Every day, he looks more foolish

[@lilfellabrown927]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@EddiePReacts]

There was no cap space for him in Chicago and he was demanding money. How is that wrong?

[@saidtarrence4989]

Sounds right to me. A lot of those old dudes are straight hypocrites PERIOD!

[@JayBecton]

​@EddiePReacts that's not what he was wrong about. The point Shaq was making is that if it was acceptable back then to join forces with other stars to win championships, his decision to go to LA might have been different.

[@Kingstyles05]

Crazy when McCants is the voice of logic.

[@mauricebeaver4337]

Say it again

[@Snap_6five]

Bro..😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ParlayPercy]

Dead azz. Cuz usually he way off

[@markusmolnar8701]

He’s been that for a while now 😂

[@kyhir1]

But he trippin. He makes no sense. If Shaq could have went to Chicago he would have he only saying he wouldn't have because 1. He couldn't. 2. Kd got the worst wrap of all time, so why would he admit to that.

[@akkustomzink1914]

Shaq didn’t leave when Jordan came back he beat Jordan in the playoffs…he left the next year

[@kennethrobinson5111]

Jordan didn't play that whole year ... he came back later in the season. He trying to say he know Mike is back for good. Mike 6 in a row when he played the whole season and started out with the Bulls in training camp and pre-season. That's why he the GOAT.

[@kennethrobinson5111]

Mike played 17 games that year when Orlando beat them in the playoffs.

[@LAshades]

@@kennethrobinson5111get off ya knees

[@kennethrobinson5111]

@LAshades sorry that made you butthurd

[@thafunk5ive]

😂😂

[@clauvensdurace1717]

“The loudest one in the room is the weakest one in the room.” ― Frank Lucas, American Gangster

[@marohan]

😅😅😅😅facts

[@slaverescuehound3440]

Yoo Gil stop the cap the heat lost first year cuz sheed broke d wade eye the heat was up 3-2 in the conf finals first year.If Shaq doesn’t go to the heat they never go to the finals of course he needed wade however no shaq no ring period

[@aaronlauridsen5940]

Ray Allen was a role player by the point he went to Miami and was coming off the bench for half the games in his last season with Boston. He was getting pretty openly shopped around and disrespected by the Celtics organization. He said "if y'all don't want me, I'm gonna go somewhere that does". A completely different situation than KD joining the Warriors.

[@natew1427]

Great explanation. They dont be aware of details smh

[@W2Tymes]

People never watched Ray in Milwaukee for some reason. Dude was way more than just a shooter in his prime which he was past when he went to Boston, nevermind Miami.

[@Juntao1989]

FACTSSSSSSS Avery Bradley was starting

[@rickyshgootz7972]

If Ray Allen went anywhere else but Miami it wouldn’t be a problem.. if KD signed with the Celtics instead of GST it wouldn’t be talked about

[@MrDiMES123]

Ray Was still a strong starter on majority NBA teams even at 36. And he played 6th man for Miami even ran some point guard duty for a bit when they had injuries.

[@carlbo3766]

Gil is actually right but Rashad is keeping it relevant to Shaq statement. People love creating facts out of opinions. Back in the 90’s it was damn near impossible to have two max players so it’s easy to say I didn’t leave my castle

[@B.Piercesports]

That's the actual truth

[@tree5145]

But Gil is saying his castle was Orlando. Why did he leave? Why couldn't he we there HE was there. Shaq is saying the opposite of what he did. He finished 2nd to the Goat in the East. Had an up and coming guard in Penny a good shooter just needed more defensive help really they just needed to stay together and get older smarter. He left and went to a 60 win team.

[@ArmandoSuazo-uk3ec]

I love watching Gil, he talk nothing but shit. He a straight hater. Those old asses made it for you to even make half the money you got. lol.

[@ArmandoSuazo-uk3ec]

The lakers came to Shaq as they were getting ready to make the trade for Kobe. Theres a lot of teams out there with a lot of no name all stars and the Lakers were no different.

[@B.Piercesports]

@ArmandoSuazo-uk3ec lol not they didn't you know kobe was a bench player for 3 years

[@tonyesquire5308]

This podcast is very entertaining. Gilbert always moves the goalpost until his arguments makes it through the uprights. 😂

[@aramos888]

Gil doesn’t care what he’s arguing about as long as HE ISNT AGREEING WITH MCCANTS!! 😂 I love this damn show!!! 😂

[@DonTouchME]

😂😂 it do feel like that

[@xXLilSmurthXx]

He is trying to get Miko Grimes back on there as a guest. He lives for the back and forth as it drives views.

[@gilfordmccormack8140]

Lol 😂😂😂

[@matthewwalker7178]

Facts

[@koba9457]

😂😂😂

[@dallasleake5073]

The league has always formed super teams. The difference is teams were in control of it before. Now the players are in control of it.

[@vicshephard9231]

Someone knows history. Thank you.

[@novacounciloutsdrs4770]

Just like how they were spazzing out when Nash went to the Lakers.

[@billywelch4611]

People act like Parrish wasn’t a 20/10 guy before going to Boston… How the Knicks got there big 3 , Barkley trying to go to Portland then joining the suns. Rodman on the bulls

[@lamontwilliams115]

Exactly! Player empowerment!

[@Juntao1989]

@@billywelch4611Rodman is a TERRIBLE example…he was over 35 and about to get kicked out of the league

[@officialnickbillions]

It's like Rashad has that NZT Limitless pill in his system for the 1st 5 minutes of the discussion. Then, it wears off, Gil picks up on it & just goes HAM on him😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@deereed9221]

Shaq actually said that the reason he left Orlando was because of this: He was sitting at home one day when ESPN came on stating that Zo had gotten a $100M deal from Maimi. He then stated that he told Orlando that he should get paid more than Zo because he was better. Orlando didn't meet his request and that was when the Lakers came calling. Point is he only left Orlando because he wanted to get paid more than Zo. He was not seeking a SUPER TEAM.

[@chtwalker]

Facts.

[@nitoshadow]

the fact that gilbert comparing shaq to lakers and kd to warriors is crazy asf

[@seancarter7954]

He needs to stop talking . He’s TOGHT because the OG shit on today’s league so he tries to go after them every chance he gets.

[@caplowent.2719]

Bruh Gil argument never is credible smh he saying shaq going to the Lakers was a super team is wild thats why I never can watch a full show because he is about creating narratives like the regular media. Remind me does he have a HOF jacket

[@Muzicboy3]

He tries so hard to protect the new league against the old school players comments that he sounds foolish sometimes

[@lorenzopearson110]

I think Gil is right anyone criticizing will pose the situation in a way that makes them look better. Even if they’re doing the sane thing as the ones they’re criticizing. The fact is most superstars don’t want to go to a losing team, they all want to go to a place that gives them the best chance to win. That’s the bottom line. Create any other narrative around that you want.

[@nitoshadow]

@@lorenzopearson110 yes you want to go to a team that got a chance to win but you don’t go to the best in the league especially when they just beat you As one of the top in the league and a potential hall of famer you can’t just say it’s too hard so you gonna play with the team who been 1 of the 2 best teams over the past few years You can’t act like the warriors ain’t just make it to the finals multiple times consecutively before he went there

[@staytruealways207]

Gil be making conversations a lot more difficult then it needs to be 😂

[@BigMojo41]

📌

[@jerryhollins6753]

I swear I just told my girl the exact same thing

[@brax0210]

I swear he do I even listen to him on nightcap and he is a energy leech pulls all the air out the room

[@Winnerzcircle1]

I would hate arguing with Gil, he knows he wrong but he moves the goal post to help his argument be more wrong.

[@entertainingsportshighligh7525]

YOU DO KNOW THAT THINKING SOMEBODY IS "WRONG" IS JUST YOUR PERSONAL OPINION RIGHT ??? YOU DO KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT GIL IS CORRECT RIGHT ???

[@farleydeonta]

That boy Gil stay throwing extra additives into the main question 😂😂😂😂😂

[@cb4gusto744]

Right !!

[@ProdbyAshtro]

He using the whole context. Shaq left the part out where he was ring chasing that’s all Gil sayin. However u look at it leaving a team to join another is ring chasing.

[@farleydeonta]

@@ProdbyAshtro 1st off that’s not what he implying at all he’s implying the lakers were some sort of juggernaut already before he joined …. And nah if he was ring chasing he would’ve went to the bulls like he said … before Kobe (who shaq didn’t even know about ) that lakers team was no different than his Orlando team who had just made the finals chief …. If I’m ring chasing I’m not going to the spurs or maybe even the rockets ? You know the other 90s championship winners …..🤦🏾‍♂️

[@jarrodmason4964]

It's called adding to the discussion

[@farleydeonta]

@@jarrodmason4964 it’s called cherry-picking chief

[@Tjk468]

I understand what Gil is saying the 95 team did have 53 wins but their best player was Cedric Ceballos😂 it's not like he was joining forces with another superstar

[@dalvinstone5378]

Gil know he be dead ass wrong 🤣🤣 soon as he get to yelling and over talking u got him lol

[@D.P.Miller]

He cooking. Niggas did it at the time. They named guys that did it before he was a free agent.

[@terrencelittlejohn8701]

Correction, Tim Duncan was still in college in 96 he was preparing for his upcoming senior year. He was drafted in 97

[@abronlattieriii2141]

Bro, THANK YOU, I'm like they really believe that, they bugging

[@itzbreeze9839]

@@abronlattieriii2141true he misspoke but salary cap for San Antonio wouldn’t have allowed him to go there anyways.

[@abronlattieriii2141]

@@itzbreeze9839 Yeah, with him just solely saying if it were acceptable with no shade or fuss about the ordeal. Salary cap wasn't mentioned but definitely was a factor then, just not in this casual mention.

[@terrencelittlejohn8701]

Exactly, as soon as he said that I was like Tim was a upcoming senior cause I was a freshman at Wake Forest

[@MajinFoo803]

3:00-3:07 "I feel like it be these old players man!" K mart immediately sides eyes and rubs knees like "boooooy lemme not"

[@yosavxge2973]

K Marts face when he asked Rashad whose team was that Heat team and he said Shaq 💀💀

[@notimportant3686]

i'm starting to notice when gil uses yelling as a tactic for convincing... the more speculative his take, the more he screams

[@yolousane]

Nah I done seen him scream loud and he be right so I think it’s just who he is

[@denn15m8]

Bro is turning in to Steven A

[@Semperityy]

@@denn15m8A more knowledgeable Stephen a sure lol

[@Pandalaugh101]

He’s right tho and had the receipts

[@calyerfagin4136]

@@Pandalaugh101 bro they can’t say Gil is right because then it kills their whole argument against Bron

[@Ajeff1989]

How are the 4 of them so clueless? Blind leading the blind at it's finest. There's no way that Rashad is the only one in that room who picked up on exactly what Shaq was saying.

[@aaronpasco1645]

Players have more leverage now compared before. I dont think its morals. It's a biased take. Teams have way bigger salary cap and are more capable to sign multiple superstars. Now it's more about which teams are willing to pay more and which team have capable management that will result to winning. "Morals" mans had his first starting 5 full of hall of famer. stop it

[@Ajeff1989]

@@aaronpasco1645 Morals mans went to the Lakers in 96-97 with not one superstar besides himself on the roster. Kobe blossomed into a Superstar eventually, but Shaq didn't sign to a team with a player who was already an "established" superstar. Outside of Shaq and Kobe those Lakers teams had a bunch of solid role players who knew how to play their part, and hit some big shots when they counted most. Say what you want about the later years of his career where he himself was essentially a role player with the Cavs, Suns, and Celtics, but his Lakers years weren't spent gathering teams of "Super friends" to shift the competitive advantage in their favor. Lakers management at that time had a storied history of winning as a franchise, so why not go there? Especially with everything that LA (the city) had to offer at the time? In my opinion Salary cap and player leverage are a different conversation, and present a hypothetical scenario that I can't speak on.

[@showtimesportsmedia6906]

@@Ajeff1989they had 53 wins the year before they were close stfu with that. They won 50+ games 3-4 years in a row including 60 something in 98 when they went to the conference finals against Utah I don’t wanna hear NOTHING about Shaq not picking the best situation for him. Just because they didn’t win till Kobe matured doesn’t mean it wasn’t a power play

[@Ajeff1989]

@@showtimesportsmedia6906 @showtimesportsmedia6906 Orlando won 60 games the year before he went to the Lakers. The season before that they won 57...What are we talkin' about? He left a winning situation to go to another winning situation...in a larger market...I can't speak on what drove that decision, but you're really not arguing a relevant point. We're talking about Bonafide Superstars leaving to team up with other Bonafide Superstars...Not players leaving winning situations, to join other Winning situations....

[@showtimesportsmedia6906]

@@Ajeff1989 it’s the same shit y’all just arguing players but if the situation good it’s the same thing

[@B-Eazy999]

If anyone remembers Orlando didn’t wanna pay him , they put that post out in the news paper is Shaq worth 100m and Alonzo ( no disrespect because he was a savage ) had just got 130m and he felt disrespected and actually went to a team LA at the time to return them to prominence. He went to Miami from LA who was not near as good as the Lakers that he left , every time Shaq left in the prime of his career he went to a weaker team and made them contenders now at the end of his career he chased a 5th chip . I’d love to see the debate with O’Neal on the show it’d be dope af .

[@ernestreed663]

I agree with mccant's.What shaq was saying was that it wasn't very acceptable for Stars to team up like that back then.As it is today.

[@AGholst502]

I need Gil to invite Shaq and keep that same energy lol

[@matthewdonnell-rowe3778]

😂😂😂😂

[@blacckthe1834]

He not gil can't talk to him like he do them

[@ronneysavoy9705]

Hughh shaq popo

[@flawless39]

But Gil told the told

[@richardowens7855]

😂He Lives In LA .He Sees Shaq All The Time.Real Men Don't Fear Men.Get A Grip

[@Ben2bwild]

What Gil is saying isn't what Shaq was saying lol. McCants is right

[@joshuaroach4045]

Shaq wanted the money magic didn't make a great offer so he went to the money gil be sounding goofy af

[@904geo2]

Gil on some soft shit what Shaq is saying if he knew it was cool not to compete he wouldn't have

[@justinfletcher7630]

Gil knows damn well Rashad is right he's the one spinning this

[@Ben2bwild]

@joshuaroach4045 Right. And there was no superstar in LA when Shaq went there. Gil would have had a point if Shaq went there to join prime Magic or another superstar

[@Ben2bwild]

@justinfletcher7630 yup that's why he started getting loud. I realized the guy who's right in these debates is usually more calm because his points are logical. McCants was so chill why Gil was getting loud for no reason 🤣

[@labaronBryant]

Tim Duncan wasn't even in the league when Shaquille O'Neal went to the Los Angeles Lakers.

[@logicallifeperspectives513]

If this ain't the barber shop I don't know what is. Gil reminds me of my barber. Keep stopping to argue when I'm in a rush. "Can u cut and talk please?" 😂😂

[@fitzcarp]

Mccant is right no matter how loud you speak Gil. Also Shaq didnt force trades to get himself to other teams like todays stars do. They force teams to trade them.

[@TheNyion912]

Shaq was a free agent and afraid of Jordan! He’s a coward

[@dell7443]

Interesting but lebron never got traded. He always finished his contract and delivered at least 1 ring to each team. Never played for a hof coach like Mike did

[@Jirl_25]

He did. History repeats. Exactly how his trades, and any other stars/players in history, came to be done. That's exactly how it is today. I know most of y'all think that because it wasn't documented it's not what happened.

[@criticalthought4910]

Nobody has ever chased a Ring worse than Shaq. He ran to Wade He ran to Nash He ran to LeBron He even ran to the damn Celtics after being a Laker. No shame at all

[@Pandalaugh101]

Houston is proof that what Shaq is saying is wrong about the “competitive mindset to not join forces” the older era supposedly had

[@alvbusano]

Gil talks like he’s the most connected person in the world. He’ll talk about Wilt Chamberlain’s 100pt game like he was there in attendance if he could

[@RealG856]

Gil understands everything Rashaad is saying! What majority of the public is glossing over is the main point of what gil is saying which is very relative to what shaq is saying. Gil say shaq knows it was not possible to join super teams because of the money. So he went somewhere where the money is possible to get a super team!

[@nykat]

But he’s trying to compare what Shaq did to what KD did and that’s a very false equivalency

[@yashbisht33]

​@@nykatin a way yes, but that is taking gil too literally, gil's point should be that what the old players (shaq and chuck) did was a precursor to kd - in their time it wasn't possible to create superteams but they did try to do it on a smaller level

[@perennialviralbasketball24]

Gil hates shaq.. and he's wing on this

[@omegaprime8612]

This was an amazing segment

[@Artbyartcreates]

All situations are different.. but that KD move hit hella different 😂… he really went joined the greatest team ever assembled with the greatest back court in history after losing a 3-1 lead against them… he could have easily added a piece in OKC and ran it back

[@NwoFresh]

that's the bulls not the warriors and they choked KD told management get Westbrook under control thunder chose Westbrook over KD so he stuck it to the thunder and lebron 2 birds on one stone!

[@Artbyartcreates]

@@NwoFresh ok cool I’ll give you that about him leaving OKC.. but it was still who he went too. And then couldn’t handle the scrutiny of being there while he was there

[@Artbyartcreates]

@@sectiontoyz2068 he wasn’t the head of the team for GS.. and he’s KD I’m sure plenty of teams pursued him that had potential to win a chip.. but he couldn’t beat them so he joined them

[@joshisaac2790]

Great point 🎯

[@khalifsamuels]

He wasn't on the 73-9 roster though and he was a free agent and last time i checked the object is about winning though so he had a choice to go where he wants wtf hippocrit ass crying shaq 😂😂😮😮

[@drwillspeaks]

They not even arguing the same point. Gil thinks because he talks loud and fast he right. Stars in the 80s and before stayed with their Teams in their prime.

[@thatboionyx6375]

Multiple players left their teams to try to win somewhere else stop it just stop it. Honestly don’t respond to me just quit it you know you’re lying

[@greyyb8860]

Bruh you so full of shit, That Larry Bird squad and Magic squad were stacked as shit, do you really think those players were all just drafted? Come on man, all star players have won with other star players, you can’t win with below average players, currently their are 7 teams truly contending, back then it was always 4-5

[@CreamPieSundays]

He does it because he knows it works, Stephen A Smith is proof of that.

[@drwillspeaks]

@@CreamPieSundays 😂

[@alonzomarable6651]

They had No Power to go anywhere.

[@patrickrieves95]

Back in the day there was another key that played a role in staying loyal with the team that drafted you/got you out the struggle. But the switching teams wasn't happening much til the 90s. The nfl and mlb the players usually retired on that team they were drafted to or only left at old age.

[@garyglawtv1222]

Y'all comprehension is everything,he's not saying he wanted to play with Jordan he's just saying that to give you an example that superteams were not the goal in his era.

[@d.gskinny4964]

Gil SUPER WRONG ITS ALMOST AS IF HE DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION LOL

[@ericellis1573]

Gil is absolutely correct Shaq didn’t resign had the best team in the east prior to that he knew exactly what he was going goin to LA

[@davidmartin5543]

Definitely didn’t understand the question..charging his phone was more important

[@user-bl7nc3gj6y]

Nah he's super annoying bruh

[@baldblade4852]

Shaq left Orlando for 2 reasons 1) Mike was back and Shaq didn’t want that smoke 2) Penny was more popular and Shaq and he couldn’t stand being #2

[@d.gskinny4964]

@@baldblade4852 No you're wrong he left because they don't wan to pay him and Alonzo morning had just got that new big contract and they don't wanna match it and the lakers did it Go research

[@vinnymac9325]

Gil need to start watching his shit back. Always changing the argument

[@XTHEACTOR]

Not gonna lie this the first take that I can say Rashad is really spitting. Gil just rambling.

[@jonnygobang87]

McCants actually caught the context of Shaq's statements and he's completely correct for the first time ever.

[@hoovag5224]

Shaq didn’t want to leave Orlando, and Shaq came to the lakers in 96 and Tim Duncan wasn’t drafted till 97 so San Antonio only had David Robinson

[@Greatness4Amoment4Alifetime]

They just be making up ish Orlando said Shaq wasn't worth big money so Jerry west did what he do. Then they brought up MJ contract when that was MJ first big contract and i guarantee he would have taken less to get Shaq.

[@farrisnobueller6705]

Shaq left because Orlando did not want to match the Lakers offer. The thing is about Gil is when the players are on the platform he doesn't keep this same energy 😂

[@thelaregroup]

Love the realness here. More power to you fellas

[@cipherP9]

They don’t get it, when Shaq stats and numbers were elite, he wasn’t demanding trades to teams where other elite players were playing. When Shaq got old and was riddled with injuries, he started joining other elite players but he was no longer elite not even managing to put up half the stats he use to putting up. KD in his prime joining the championship favorites is far different, it was a forgone conclusion. Before Shaq got to the Heat and Lakers, they weren’t the favorites to win it all.

[@mrwebb203]

Shaq ain't about to let this go either lol I'm actually waiting on that response now 😂

[@upkshabal274]

Let’s not forget Shaq was at the end of his career when he was switching teams he wasn’t in his prime

[@geronimopratt7976]

He left Orlando and went to LA, still in his prime and after he was in the finals.

[@khalifsamuels]

It doesn't matter he still try to go to a superteam 🤔🤫😮

[@jspears19]

@@geronimopratt7976free agent and no other superstar when he joined.

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@geronimopratt7976Because they didn’t want to pay him a contract extension so he left

[@triggamike8768]

Miami

[@mtvernon]

This one of the FEW times I agree with McCants on this argument. Shaq’s argument isn’t about leaving a team, it’s about creating a SUPERTEAM.

[@ericward2135]

You right, they been doing it.....Mark Aguirre couldn't win in Dallas (which it was his team) so he came to Detroit (BadBoys) coming off the bench balling on the 2nd team.

[@billgates9428]

Once again I appreciate you, McCants. Gil keep playin crazy like he didn’t hear what Shaq said.

[@9ninehd36]

Arguing with Gil is insane. He's a goal post mover.

[@geronimopratt7976]

Worse than a politician

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@geronimopratt7976Exactly

[@kodyarias8686]

That's why he was never a winner 😆

[@TheZayzkidd3]

Arenas has to understand that Shaq left Penny, Nick Anderson, Dennis Scott, etc. for Eddie Jones.

[@YungKorn]

Facts with a better record

[@dmoney0505]

Gil talking damn straight facts. Period!!!

[@deefromoakland602]

“When you the king of your castle and you LEAVE, you not the King no more” Rashad ate on that one

[@william-lloydgarrison]

It was actually corny… u on here acting like he dropped a Jay Z verse

[@deefromoakland602]

@@william-lloydgarrison I’m a real person, in real life, who give no fucks about your opinion 🖕🏾🖕🏾🖕🏾

[@blaktye33]

@@william-lloydgarrisonits no use bruh..anyone that agrees with mccants already a lost cause

[@dennisthemenace855]

Yall don't know basketball ^

[@charger297]

If you leave and win a ring everywhere you go you king of the league

[@breakingnews4ya]

Why does he have to answer why he left? That’s Gils created narrative. He didn’t team up with anybody was his point. Gil is a broad for this💯

[@anthonyclick893]

He teamed up with a top team

[@OtakuTalkOD]

​@@anthonyclick893but not top player, not super team with 2-3 CURRENT/ATM all stars

[@christiancrews4278]

​@OtakuTalkOD but who hasn't tried to team up with different t people? KG and Chris Paul said they wanted to go to LA and Kobe put in the calls to make it happen, but NOBODY says anything about that. KD move was cowardly but people try to get on Bron about dipping but don't understand that nobody wants to live in Ohio. It's not a attractive market so either he could waste his career waiting for a competent player or dip out. I see bron came back when a competent player (kyrie) was on the cavs but they wouldn't get kyrie without bron leaving

[@OtakuTalkOD]

@@christiancrews4278 that's not the point of the argument. People are expounding this to argue a narrative. At the end of the day the truth of the matter was it was frown upon, looked down on, generally not permitted to leave a team to join another team with a top tier player (top 10-15). Nowadays it's a lot more acceptable to not only join or create a super team but it's actually a lot more feasible for it to happen. Now we can distract and say things like well you can even do it back in the day because of salary caps and this on the other which is true but the point is if Shaq went and played with Jordan purely because he's the goat and it would help him win a championship as well he would have looked super weak and would not have the respect of his peers. Now don't get me wrong that's not saying putting yourself in a good situation is bad. But there's always been an Unwritten code of what you can do and what you can't do and joining a well-performing team is in the acceptable range. It's just annoying because you have players like Allen Iverson who would never benefit from something like this, and it permanently affects their Legacies. Which is why I personally think when talking about the greatest players Rings need to be considered with a grain of salt.

[@kylonp7311]

@@christiancrews4278yea that was a dumbbb argument u tried to make 😂😂😂😂

[@stupidwild1347]

PEACE Brothers , The real Difference is if the players are in their prime when it comes down to discussing super teams

[@lamonimita3422]

11:00 McCants really tried to dumb it down and slow it down for Gil and he still missed the point by half a planet.

[@B-Eazy999]

Facts

[@B.Piercesports]

Mcant can't dumb Nathan down cause he dumb

[@vblack5034]

what point was it?

[@B.Piercesports]

@vblack5034 that shaq would've went to the bulls and gil and kenyon is telling him was he gonna go there for 2 mil? Cause the cap is different that it is now. He keep saying what shaq Is saying which is he would've joined mik, but but saying the reason he left Orlando is they wouldn't give him 100 mil.

[@vblack5034]

@@B.Piercesportsthe point is mccants is trying to protect that era because he hates lebron and this helps his narrative read between the lines, and during that time players were great at specific roles and you were considered a superstar hence dennis rodman pure rebounder nothing else so yes the team shaq joined was yes a superteam, he didn’t have the option to join the bulls because they couldn’t pay him like gil said or else he would’ve went lmao he was looking for a good team and a bag mccants is wrong he just doesn’t like this era of basketball

[@CadillacMack90]

Gil be so wrong like 85% of the time they just sit and agree cuz it’s his show 😂😂

[@dbzsuperssjblack2690]

It’s crazy to see them act like average niggas mayne just yes men all around and that one friend that’s like wtf nigga do yall hear this 😂😂😂

[@theg.o.team2154]

That part.

[@Mrcoats3515]

Facts

[@sleazytooez2313]

Depends on who you ask

[@HiddenGem8506]

Facts niggas wanna keep that check

[@lev887]

Tim Duncan was still at Wake Forest in 1996, when Shaq went to LA

[@EricWilliamsYO]

Shaq and Gil got off the court history, you can see it and hear it all in this video.

[@PUGGDAD]

Gil isn’t understanding that joining a team with 2-3 superstars is different than joining a team with the third best record and a couple of all stars lol. Star player for the Lakers at the time Shaq joined was Cedric Ceballos who was later traded for Robert Horry. Shaq is saying that was a more respectable decision than if he would have signed with Utah who had Stockton and Malone, or the Bulls when they had Jordan and Pippen.

[@dontrellsloan8337]

Definitely was. They had no big names even though Ceballos was the best player. Van Exel and Eddie Jones were the biggest names. Magic Johnson was there but he was coming out of retirement going back into it when he was exposed to HIV. He was no threat just the biggest name. His career was over.

[@quxncy9492]

Joining superstars don't mean shit, on paper Clippers should be the best team in the league and I won't be surpised if they lose first round,Miami loss first year with Bron, wade and bosh, Nets with KD, Harden, Kyrie? Lmao only casual fans make it seem like super stars on one team means automatic win that's not how the sport works.

[@PUGGDAD]

@@quxncy9492 Good point on the Clippers. They have been plagued with bad luck on injuries a lot. Last season they took game 1 against Phoenix then Kawhi went down.

[@1990POE]

None of those team could afford Shaq. He would’ve had to take a huge pay cut which we know Shaq wasn’t doing

[@geronimopratt7976]

​@@PUGGDADthere's a long injury list

[@Patque593]

U gotta remember Jordan made 3 to 4 million a year from the 88-89 to 95-96 seasons and after that made the 30 million a year

[@Bob-te3le]

Crazy he was paid that little at the beginning. Imagine making e ryone in the league so much money to only get scraps.

[@JonathanJohnson-sr5vr]

Shaq himself is quoted saying he left because of the money!!! lol

[@Bighomey-pg8bc]

Shaq didn’t leave Orlando over Gil’s theory of 60 games, Shaq left because Orlando went to the finals in 95 and took a step back by losing in the conference finals in 96.

[@dee197986]

Dang. Gil missed it by 20 miles. 😂😅

[@entertainingsportshighligh7525]

missed what ?

[@ericellis1573]

No he didn’t y’all missing it

[@brandoncollier7802]

@@ericellis1573no ur missing it.. there’s no loyalty or morals in todays game. Everyone wants an easy ring. Not competitive, literally everything about the sport is so watered down and backwards.. that’s why teams like the nuggets and 76ers, Celtics, and Heat make it far every year despite having only 1-2 stars. Every other team depends on Nick Fury to assemble the best for 1 f’ing season and STILL end up making trades afterwards.. the shit was cool at first but now u even see it in our youth. They think it’s cool to switch high schools now, not colleges, high schools, reclass, etc rather than work hard to get over the hump. In my opinion the most entertaining thing about basketball is the GRIND🤦🏾‍♂️

[@ericellis1573]

@@brandoncollier7802 Loyalty? Man gone wit all that teams trade players without warning it’s a business An all the teams that have multiple chips look at the rosters they were all stacked Gil speakin facts Shaq knew exactly what he was doing so he should be quiet

[@therealdarrell282]

Shaq knew he was not getting to the Finals after MJ loss in 94. He had a better chance of getting to the Finals in the West. Reggie Miller’s sister used to cry and beg for her brother to team up with Ewing in NY to have a better chance at winning a chip.

[@breakingnews4ya]

Gil is the perfect example of the loudest person in the room is always the weakest

[@piffjackson6010]

I hate this statement because its 50/50 cuz sometimes the loudest person in the room has the best point and most accomplishments. This statement is a stigma that only reads true situationally

[@kodyarias8686]

True

[@theg.o.team2154]

We're talking about this podcast. And this group. And gil is loud and wrong. Shaq left for LA because it's a bigger market. Especially with his movies coming out and rap albums. He just put MJ out the year before. Gil, needs to relax. 🙄 He was an Orlando Magic fan. I'm cracking up.

[@breakingnews4ya]

@@piffjackson6010 you must be the loudest person in the room type

[@rice_goat80]

Gil spoke facts on Barkley and Shaq leaving to chase rings 29:19 Buck Williams was the power forward with the Blazers

[@CAFields1981]

It has nothing to with whether it was physically possible. He is simply saying if it was morally acceptable in my time I wouldve teamed up with another superstar.

[@KoreymaliK]

This show rarely produces good takes bruh😂😂😂this shit just entertaining cuz they funny as hell

[@travistrack923]

Wasn’t it recorded that Shaq wanted more than Alonzo and LA happy complied?

[@vinylfrontierextra]

Reason #1 for Diesels leaving actually. But was never mentioned here. The bidding war revolving around Shaq & Alonzo played into LA's hands. Shaq wanted the highest contract in NBA. The Magic hesitated LA did not. It all probably was a genius ploy by PRiley to conquer the East Coast. And it worked. Two. There was a riff between Shaq and Penny. They've both admitted it. It was mostly immature petty stuff but there was beef enough to question Shaq staying. Orlando also did a vote in their paper whether Shaq should get paid to stay. It was a resounding NO. Three. Shaq and his agent had their eyes on LA since Day 1. Shaq wanted to be in movies & music. It's a big market. A historic franchise down on its luck with no big man but a history of historic big men. Mikan. Wilt. Kareem. The money was just an added bonus. Running from MJ was not one of the reasons lmaooo.

[@theairforce1877]

The Ray Allen situation was that Boston disrespected him and acted like they didn't want to pay him, then tried to pay him after they found out that he was going to leave. They also acted like they didn't want to start him too

[@young232432]

McCants saying that 05-06 Heat team was Shaq’s is WILD! Reg Season: Shaq (20pts, 9rebs), Wade (27pts, 7assists) Finals: Shaq (13pts, 10rebs), Wade (35pts, 8rebs)

[@kaiwhitfield4039]

The point Shaq is making is regarding the prime years of a players career. Most "superteams" back then were old super stars attempting to win a ring before calling it quits.

[@Bigedub101]

Man stop it Barkley just made MVP in Houston, he was same age as Bulls and Utah that went to back to back Finals and was same age as Houston

[@user-lt1fx2he5s]

@@Bigedub101Barkley was MVP in Phoenix that’s it

[@kylonp7311]

@@Bigedub101dude there’s still time to erase that embarrassing comment 😂😂😂😂

[@hybrid1339]

​@@kylonp7311thank you cuz I'm like hold on since when Barkley have 2 mvps lol

[@ChrisOnDemand]

Tim Duncan wasn’t in the league at the time Shaq moved to LA. And Gil just want to argue for the sake of arguing cause doesn’t care about the context of what Shaq was saying

[@Lucas-tw1wx]

Exactly 😂 once he said he didn’t care the conversation was done because how you gonna makeup your own argument 😂

[@jamestownstudios8543]

Gil ain’t lyin’. Diesel was the epitome of a prima-donna. He wanted to be a movie star and entertainer instead of being the greatest baller to ever walk the earth.

[@Mr10before9]

And that has what to do with LA wasn't a superteam when Shaq went there? ​@@jamestownstudios8543

[@6ixHockeyLife]

I swear Gil only hear what's going on in his own mind. Gil, the type you tell, hold the line and give me a minute, and he expects you to be back in a minute. Shout out to Mac!

[@luispenafiel9016]

Shaquille did say he chose the Lakers because they had the most money. he did say that he had a conversation with Jay West about the max contract at that time. So yes Shaquille signed with the Lakers because of the money.

[@Nino_100]

It’s crazy gil implying shaq ran from Jordan…as long as Jordan in the league you can’t run from him he in the finals every year at that point

[@carnellalexander728]

When I’m agreeing with McCant’s then I know it’s time for me to log off these people’s internet today

[@HiiTre]

Gil is moving the goal post 😂

[@danielmunoz8733]

Both sides make sense. But the main point Gil making about cap space makes most sense. If bulls had the cap space to offer him the most cash he would have joined bulls. Shaq said he was signing with who offered him the most cash.

[@danielbradley4835]

Gil is smart enough to realize he is not arguing the point. Everyone go at McCants when he jump out there with one of his wild takes but he is trying all he can to argue the subject. I don’t think Shaq leaving Orlando is not the same as the KD/Lebron move

[@Bignoelsince91]

All those players were out of their primes before they left to ring chase.

[@godlymC]

I have no idea how nobody bought this poing up

[@hybrid1339]

Because they don't want to say the real...they want to box all the players up so it can fit a narrative...gil just wanted to go against what Shaq said with his so called going at older players thing he got going on

[@stunnahaze]

One of the rare times I agree with McCants. Shaq already established himself cause he won 3 before he left. Kd was ringless and joined the team that just whooped his butt after being up 3-1, also a team that just made history(73-9) and won the finals the year before. That was a sucker move by KD. Like McCants said Shaq was like a 3rd or 4th option when he joined the Cavs so it’s not the same thing as KD’s sucker move.

[@dwaynethomas7984]

Eddie Jones, Nick Van Exel, Vlade Divac... The cupboards weren't bare!

[@thefactionnyc]

For former basketball players they leave so many good points out that’ll make both of their arguments better.

[@Reggie2455]

Gil switched the goal post on the question. McCants with the win!

[@axelokonner2624]

What year was it when GP and Karl was in LA 😂😂😂 with Derek Fischer

[@user-wd7os4wv4y]

Y’all so scared of lebron like he wasn’t the one that started it during this era . The warriors drafted klay Steph and draymond . Lebron had a whole press conference and draft table saying I’m taking my talents to south beach and bosh who was a top 15 player in the League at the time was with him , that’s creating a super team

[@breakingnews4ya]

The fact that Gil thought he ate is exactly the reason why everybody should have a podcast.

[@veltastic23]

How y'all being up Karl Malone changing teams at the end of his career... Those old guys waited till they had a couple years left to team up

[@hybrid1339]

Exactly 💯💯💯💯 idk what Kmart and them was talking about

[@azerahisrael5720]

Tim Duncan was drafted in 99 the lock out year. Shaq went to LA in 96 the same year Kobe was drafted.

[@michaelpoison6732]

Thank u Gil for this segment. Everyone look scared to talk about it

[@HeartOTC]

Idky they be so scared of mfs. Shaq ain’t fighting nobody he got so much to lose. Cut the shit.

[@kylonp7311]

Dude nobody was doin that back then it’s a fact

[@ageeo.7734]

H8TN krazy here!!! Foo said thanx Gil 😂 I bet Shaq don’t kno how much GiL made.

[@abronlattieriii2141]

Shaq said, plain, simple, and clear, "If i knew it was acceptable", no mention about $$$

[@dropsixteentvtv4149]

Because the money goes against his narrative lol

[@edwardtatum6136]

Gil said this s his show!

[@lamontcormickjr3456]

Gil and Kmart on point. Yall trippin

[@againstallodds1582]

Imagine Jordan joining the Celtics, Pistons or Knicks in his prime before winning in Chicago. Or better yet had he played with Magic in LA.

[@jerrodgarland2604]

Jordan had a better team that shit just sound good nobody wanted Jordan until he won & you couldn’t do that back in the day

[@itzbreeze9839]

He literally couldn’t go if he wanted to. When the opportunity came along he was already winning so why would he?

[@kylonp7311]

@@jerrodgarland2604dude Jordan team sucked in the 80s he was the only Allstar wat are u talking bout he had a better team

[@rolandhudson9607]

Shaq didn't leave to go team up with another superstar and Orlando didn't want to pay him

[@itzbreeze9839]

Because HE WANTED THE MOST MONEY. he chose a team that was winning and a great destination. How hard is that to understand. The lakers always attract stars