Gil Explains Why Vince Carter Never Lived Up To The Hype

Gilbert Arenas Explains Why Vince Carter Never Lived Up To The Hype as he and the Gil's Arena Crew play Keep-Trade-Cut with NBA Legends and discuss why Vince Carter's work ethic kept him from becoming one of the greatest players to ever play in the NBA.
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[@playmajor]

The Wade disrespect is actually ridiculous

[@Nat_Turner10_8]

Yup I’m angry

[@threethirtynine1514]

Prime Minister Wade is second to only Kobe. He gave you 30 and locked up the best player on the other side. Mac ain’t play a lickkkkkk of Defense

[@popeye697]

Because Wade is second only to Kobe, if you pick Kobe to start, you have to trade Wade. He would be wasted coming off the bench, but it doesn't make sense to have him and Kobe on the same team if they are both prime. B

[@lincoln8530]

@@threethirtynine1514Brandon Roy for two seasons was on Kobe’s coat tails

[@threethirtynine1514]

@@popeye697 did you not watch the Olympics??!? Wade thrived behind Kobe!!! Come on now. I can’t believe you really said that

[@johnnywalker9694]

Gil is simply saying that with Vince’s ability he should have been in the conversations with Kobe, LeBron, and Jordan but he lacked that killer instinct.

[@newagain9964]

Gil eventually explained himself very well. I like the caveat he also added that maybe he just put Vince to high on pedestal.

[@TerrenceLP]

The world saw this when he lost to the Knicks in the playoffs with Toronto and was never the same.

[@robertgray320]

Vince never lived up to his full potential is what Gil is trying to say and I agree with him. 7 footers couldnt do nothin with vince if he came down the lane, dud was unstoppable. He really shouldve been in the conversation as greatest of all time.

[@user-et6hn7qg7r]

So do you and Gil agree that Gil suck and didn't live up to nothing

[@russell9411]

@@user-et6hn7qg7rGil avg 29 before more than Vince ever did and u this is why Gil is triggered and mad that Vince didn’t live up

[@chillbrah1010]

Vince is my favorite player but when Kobe peaked it was a wrap for all them niggas 🤣🤣

[@hakshustletv]

@@user-et6hn7qg7r Gil overachieved. He wasn't expected to do anything lol

[@hakshustletv]

@@Sam-oo6wy Those 3pt stats are because he played for so long. Ray Allen played 17 seasons and has like 1000 more threes than VC despite VC playing 22 seasons so if VC had played the same number of seasons as Ray Allen he wouldn't be anywhere on that list. VC is 9th all time but everyone else on the list (top 50) has played less games than him. Literally everyone. Not a single player on that list has played more games than VC so it's clearly longevity stats.

[@kevonstrachan7059]

8:16 this is probably one of Gil’s greatest dissection of a player I’ve heard and it really open my eyes and mind. This is where Gil is at his absolute best

[@user-et6hn7qg7r]

What hating. Black people are their own worst enemies

[@capitanawesome44]

This applies to both Hill but that was more needed time away for injury and VC. Just 100% applies to VC. No reason other than self drive VC isnt mentioned in same breath as Kobe Wade and MJ.

[@fridayvan-defoe6987]

so concise, so precise, so accurate.

[@d444]

Lazy or not, Vince definitely underachieved with all the gifts. He was great entertainment for the fans, but not feared enough by opponents, there is a reason

[@mharp6166]

It's what people accuse LeBron of being, a passive all generation talent

[@dusk6159]

​@@mharp6166 Which is not fair with Lebron. Greater abilities and different situation and Lebron filled the responsibilities. The redeem generated by 2011, the 2012 win, with the disadvantage too, versus those Celtics, the perfect performances in the two 2012 and 2013 Finals (getting it done confidently, like only Tim Duncan could do) and the 2016 comeback seal it. An output and an achieving not even comparable with specifically VC's output as well.

[@phillybul215]

Idk what you talking about I saw Vince carter battle against my sixers in the playoffs

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

Vince wasn't lazy. You don't play 20 plus years and be lazy. You don't go from a dunker with a pretty good jump shot to actually in his time the guy with the most range in the league. Point blank. When Vince Carter was playing with the New Jersey that's he had the most range in the NBA. You don't go from a dunker to that without hard work. I'll give the big reason why Vince didn't realize his potential where he was drafted. People don't realize how big of an impact that has on your career. No disrespected Kobe because Kobe was a better play than Vince, but do you think his career is the same if he actually ended up on Charlotte? Do you think he's a 20-year Charlotte hornet player with five rings? Do you think if he doesn't have Jerry West and Phil Jackson and Shaq, Nick van exel, Eddie Jones around at the beginning of his career didn't help MASSIVELY? Compare that to the Toronto franchise that Vince was playing with washed Hakeem.. Washed up muggsy bogues. Revolving door of mediocre coaches. Honestly, I think what Vince's mindset and skills the Lakers probably win more than three championships because he wouldn't have been so thirsty to be the top dog over shaq. And in the early 2000s Vince and Kobe were around the same except Vince had a better jump shot. Kobe was better defensively

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

No one is disagreeing that he could have had a more impactful career...but lazy is a wild accusation.

[@apradia]

The fact that someone on a basketball show said 2000 Vince Carter was the best in the league at the same time 34 for the Lakers was dominating is pretty insane.

[@patrickoakley7890]

AI was dominant at the time too.

[@VengeanceSinX]

Golden era of Wing stars...AI, Tmac, VC, Allen, Kobe, Pierce...

[@Roadrunner0077]

AI and kobe was guards @@VengeanceSinX

[@VengeanceSinX]

@@Roadrunner0077 I said wings = SG/SFs

[@skipbrainless2732]

NIGGA wings have been so much better since the 2010s@@VengeanceSinX

[@joshromero-burgan9860]

Jordan once said vince would hsve been better than kobe , he just didn't have the motivation to be the best like kobe did. Garnett once said if vince played in the regular season the way he did in the Olympics ( angry and pissed off) he would have been the top dude in the league. As far as skill and talent vince was unreal. He was shooting 35 footers long before kobe and tmac were. He shot 41% from 3 on 6 attempts per game in 2001 . Back than unless you were ray ray or Reggie that was unheard of. Vince had one of the DEEPEST offensive bags you've ever seen. Add the trick shot layups , jaw dropping dunks, unreal fade aways . Had a BEAUTIFUL jumper. He was my favorite player forever. His advanced metrics from his 2001 season are among the best league if you look at each of his individual PER statistics

[@rasulsamad5860]

He my favorite on 2k

[@hmrhuang]

Gil has some valid points about VC's career. Think about this way: If you saw prime VC, especially after his 2nd season and Olympic year, and then I told you that: i. He would NEVER average more than 27 ppg for the rest of his career after his 3rd year ii. NEVER lead the NBA in scoring iii. NEVER win MVP iv. NEVER made the NBA Finals v. NEVER win a NBA title vi. NOT be in the Top 75 Team You would accuse me of smoking some serious shit and call me crazy! The adage "Hard work always trumps talent when talent doesn't work hard..." applies to VC!

[@BGDoesit]

he averaged 27 in 05 is Jersey

[@hmrhuang]

@@BGDoesit you don't know how to read...🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@djShuttlenyc]

Nets went to finals in back to back seasons with him...

[@hmrhuang]

@@djShuttlenyc No, he wasn't on that team...🙄🙄🙄🙄

[@chasewilliams8174]

A really young Wade led that 06 Heat team to a championship and was Finals MVP… there’s NO WAY I’m cutting him. I’m calling it like Gil is on this one

[@dusk6159]

That's right, led. Thank god that Shaq and Mourning played and were there versus the Mavs lineup, otherwise... It's cool though, leading, and to a title, is notches beyond what a 2000s Raptors can get with Carter instead of Wade and what VC could ever do.

[@dolphsantana5432]

@@dusk6159 uk D wade avg 28ppg 6 rpg n apg wit 2 steals n a block Shaq avg 18 ppg 9 rpg n 1.5 blks mourning put up 4 points games ppl need to stop acting like D Wade never did anything in his career smh of course he needed his big men to win its still a team sport but he was by far the best player on that team even Shaq knew that

[@dusk6159]

@@dolphsantana5432 Mourning in the Finals was mentioned for his blocks and energy though. And Shaq for what he caused on the Mavs defense

[@dolphsantana5432]

@@dusk6159 I rather u say gp did something than mourning

[@Lo_2xx]

She a wade hater she admitted I wouldn’t take her opinion seriously lol wade better then Vince and Tmac for sure

[@8mathdaddy]

I never figured why Vince didn't take over the league. Gil has a point.

[@thsu8]

You honestly couldn't figure that out? You never compared his definition-less body to Kobe or Wade?

[@VengeanceSinX]

He did took over but very short period.

[@1933MB]

I’m from Toronto and saw him play since he joined the league, and Arenas is 1000% correct. Vince was athletically gifted and didn’t have the commitment and mentality to go to the next level.

[@coreyalexander2608]

Once he mentioned the Hancock statement it clicked for me. I definitely agree with him

[@dusk6159]

And unlike VC Gilbert, flaws-wise, doesn't deserve to be called stupid because he was also smart and focused enough to accomplish what he did and could. It's not just work that made Gil very good in the late 2000s. He blew it at certain points and especially late in one year. Vince was lazy and didn't have what it takes and took for his advantageous point, it was always a foundational problem, Gil can't be called stupid instead because of some bad decisions or Playoffs failures with the Wizards team. If he was stupid or a total nut, he wouldn't have got past his bench days with the Warriors early in the 2000s (while VC was having a terrible falling out, if not quit job, with his original franchise, the Raptors in Toronto).

[@noonevincecarterfan]

Vince was phenomenal from around 2000-2008. Injuries, new roles, being too unselfish and nice prevented him from staying near Kobe's level. But you can't criticize a mans work ethic when you never witnessed it. Being nice on the court is not the same a being lazy when practicing! Doesn't mean he shouldn't have been even better and for longer. At times he was nearly the best player in the league where he'd average over 35 for almost a month (which was insane back then). There came a point when he stopped attacking the basket (early 2008 after a very bad ankle injury) and his explosive agressive game never really returned. Very sad, because he was the most spectacular player (and most popular) for a few years.

[@rasulsamad5860]

* 2005

[@newagain9964]

Still tho. He could have the time to become an elite shooter. Would have been ideal to do that after the injury. On or Off ball shooter. Or even up his post up game.

[@stephondonaldson-ik3zc]

Vince just never had that alpha dog in him.

[@dariusd.curtis6734]

Gil had me lost for a minute when he said my guy was lazy, but he made it make sense. Vince was certainly no scrub, yet he could've been that dude of the NBA for real. Good take, Gil. On another note, some players just want to do what they love without all of the pressure of being "the man". Vince may have just simply enjoyed his role and his income without all of the added. This is one of my favorite podcasts, by the way. Please keep up the amazing work.

[@1933MB]

It’s often overlooked, but Vince’s peak performance in 2000-2001 can be attributed to the influence of veterans like Charles Oakley, Antonio Davis, Kevin Willis, Dell Curry, and Mugsy Bogues. These experienced players set high standards and held Vince accountable. The dynamic noticeably changed when Charles Oakley, a key figure in maintaining discipline and professionalism, left the Raptors. This shift marked a turning point in Vince’s career, as he no longer had the same level of veteran guidance and accountability. He was surrounded by players inferior to him and they didn’t have the reps and toughness that would check Vince. I’m from Toronto and nobody can deny that we lost the grit and toughness once Oakley wasn’t brought back. Vince needed dogs on the team to get the most out of him.

[@tekitho79]

Damn I never really heard this but it makes a lot of sense…He was better than Kobe and MJ when he came into the league and it just didn’t last

[@gwensalador4325]

I think if Carter had better pieces around him....he wouldve felt a little more confident intotaking the craft seriously

[@davidchandler6885]

vince didnt have skill or coordination of a kobe, i rep dot to...thats is wade was more effective as well

[@LyricalMurderer1]

This is an amazing point. People forget that one of the reasons Oak left was due to Vince’s mother being overprotective of Vince.

[@LyricalMurderer1]

@@gwensalador4325you have to be innately motivated to be truly great. That’s the only thing you control and not the people around you…

[@Reeferal]

Vince Carter said himself he wished he took the game seriously early in his career. He turned around and became the consummate professional later in his career but that was well after he had his opportunity to be the best player. If Vince maximized his talent like a Kobe, Lebron or others it would’ve been a wrap. He had every tool in his bag. He was a complete scorer and almost no flaws in his game.

[@rulerjayohenn3161]

And more importantly he was FEARED

[@capitanawesome44]

Only flaw he had was above the shoulders. I hate McCants arguing he got messed up when he got traded. He begged to be traded out of TOR and he clearly quit on them. You quit one place you quit others. TOR messed up but they traded him for the corpse of Mourning after his liver problems and a few meaningless picks. They just wanted to get rid of him.

[@Reeferal]

@@capitanawesome44 worst thing was they waived mourning only for him to revive and win a chip with Dwade and Shaq 😂 those onions baby onions raptors really wasted my teens

[@westside8514]

@@ReeferalVINCE HAD NO DEFENSE, STOP IT

[@Reeferal]

@@westside8514 define no defence… cause he wasn’t getting isolated for matchup hunting. He was never that bad.

[@cruluv3381]

How DWade isn’t on everybody’s bench on this list is wild. Best two way player after Kobe on this list. He did it on both ends of the court.

[@DESOUSAB]

I was a grad student in Toronto in the 90's and became a Raptors fan after Mario Tremblay destroyed my Canadiens and Patrick Roy left for the Avalanche. Vince became my favourite player. I watched this man live in his prime. There is a reason Shaq in his prime called him half-man, half-amazing. He was the next MJ, but didn't have that killer attitude. If Vince had half of Kobe's attitude, or half of MJ's "I took that personally" - he might be top 5 in the GOAT debate.

[@joshuahsimons9587]

Definitely goat of dunkers

[@suvash11]

Absolutly. As far as raw talent goes, he was better then kobe. There was a point in time where people would actually compare them. Kobe's work ethic was really the x factor.

[@user-be7tc2bd6e]

Every players different,each has their own mindset.So glad he wasn't an &&&hole like Kobe and MJ and a ball hog. MJ was a bully,plain and simple,he gave Steve Kerr a black eye because he dared to stand-up to MJ. He told team-mates not to pass the ball to Bill Cartwright ( he said he had bad hands ) Bill threatened to break both MJ's legs. Kobe should've had that killer instinct instead of going thru a rape trial,that incident smeared his legacy.

[@ThatBo03]

Prime D Wade was a terror! That man had Jordan like confidence and killer instinct.

[@orlandowilliamson691]

Man people delusional 😂😂

[@Twysthor]

A lot of people on here don’t remember 😮 I’m shocked. The highlights are cool but VC can’t touch Wade

[@Dranzerl]

@@Twysthoryeah for sure wade out performs Vince in any category.. what are people gonna say? Vince beats him at dunking? Lol wade was a dunker too and Vince was slightly or just better than wade in that category

[@jidemorris9311]

People sleep. Prime Wade could do everything lebron can do and people shit on Wade

[@younggod3906]

@@jidemorris9311facts and in his peak he was better

[@TopShotta2.23]

I usually don’t agree with Gil but Kobe said the same thing about VC. He could have be Jordan level if he practiced more

[@ricosuavepr1207]

Nooo

[@acegohard4731]

he said that about shaq too

[@majestic8831]

Kobe's words ain't gospel.

[@WhoisDJNox]

Kobe thought that about a majority of All Stars. He was notorious for showing and saying this. He told AI that. Check AI's All The Smoke Interview

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

Kobe outworked everyone in the league. He literally thought every player on the planet besides him and MJ were lazy.

[@gabrieldeleoz3783]

As a kid who rocked number 15 from elementary to high school, rocked his nike shocks for 5 years to the point of complete destruction, I have to agree to an extent with Gil. After the Vegas All Star game in 07 I just could not see him enjoying the game anymore until his last 5 seasons when he became the vet presence in the locker room.

[@ajhaynes8204]

Gil.... real to real... everybody ain't guaranteed a happy ending... word.

[@tejae504]

He played 22 years!! I’d say respect that man. That’s legendary half man/half amazing!

[@jethuy2]

That’s not the point though, he sustained himself to play long , not to be as great as he can be. Playing 22 years is cool , but playing 15 years and being the greatest at your position is two different things. Same argument with Shaq

[@thorodinson3597]

22 seasons of never being the guy to drag/carry a team to the finals. (or make a deep run as an underdog) Nor adapt his game to stay a relevant starter late in his career. I loved watching VC show live in Toronto, but I would have rather have had a *healthy* TMac leading the Raptors for his prime. He had that that drive to add to his bag, because he was always treated as "the lesser cousin" in high school & later Toronto. And, that was after Toronto showed they had low expectations of him on draft night! It was only MJ's pouting (&threats) that stopped his draft night trade (1:1) for Pippen. *AFTER* the Raptors had already submitted their side of the paperwork to the league office, and directly notified TMac & his agent of the post-selection trade being done. [From TMac's own mouth when he was in his sweaters co-hosting with the Redhead at ESPN]

[@sganet_]

Vince was never the guy, didn’t start improving until he was tapering off his athleticism. I dislike Wade as a person but his prime was head and shoulders above Vince.

[@dusk6159]

This is all futility. And Gilbert is right on VC, who didn't achieve what he was supposed to.

[@dusk6159]

​@@sganet_ Agreed on everything.

[@lafaders]

VC was incredibly clutch. Don’t forget that y’all. He hit a lot of game winners and tough buckets when teams needed em

[@VengeanceSinX]

#3 all time game winners

[@drichrichardson1872]

They don't kno fam they dont kno

[@garyclay9899]

They are speaking about his overall career. He was talented enough to be the best. He’s borderline HOF! His longevity puts him in

[@michaeljohnson8353]

Yes this is true but he made incredible shots because he didn’t do the hard work to get easier shots. I was ecstatic when the Nets got him but after watching him face Wade I determined he was more talented but not as hard working as Wade. I challenge people to go watch that NJ vs. Mia series.

[@johnnywalker9694]

But not as much as he should have been. He should have been one of the greats.

[@NolandWilkins-zm5ji]

I loved vinces 3 point game he had his last 6 seasons he was clutch

[@lifestylelove2651]

Vince was a movement ....and game changer man look

[@bilogskii2216]

Vince attended his graduation on the day he had a game 7 against AI and the sixers. That tells you the level of commitment he had to the game. I'm not saying he's not committed because he certainly was but he wasn't Kobe/MJ borderline insane committed.

[@DV-ou1yu]

At the 3nd of the day, basketball is just a job/career lol

[@780hoops]

​@DV-ou1yu so is the nba that pays 100 fold 😂😂😂

[@el84oro]

thats about commitment....not laziness. same could be said with AI and practice or AI and partying. and even if he had all that commitment, he still wasn't mike/kobe or any of those dudes (nobody was). gill talks about how committed he was to his craft, gill aint make that many all nba selections let alone mvps.

[@GibranCamus-kr2dc]

-borderline- insane

[@n.Lenice]

For conversations like these, I wish we could handpick Gil's castmates cause he be coming with stats for his arguments that he obviously has analyzed and it's like the other two didn't know the question was coming. Mccants and Lexie know the popular radio singles, but Gil be knowing the unreleased, hidden bonus tracks from the album.

[@genixter2035]

He's not really saying anything

[@diashawncoles2435]

Ong bro they both cut dwade like tf

[@ShawnMega]

You can pad Stats. Real ballers go by eye test.

[@bengotti4181]

“Killer mentality” talk is overstated. Was Kobe killing it, when the Lakers traded Shaq and before they acquired Gasol?

[@lnapjr76]

Yes. He was. He was a killer on a team of bums.

[@moteknows8134]

delusional Kobe fanboys overrate him bigtime. After Shaq he didn't make the playoffs and 2 first round exits. Became relevant because of Gasol, Bynum, Odom, the best front court during that time, the Lakers biggest advantage in the league during that team.

[@domg6251]

He led the league in scoring in back to back seasons, finished top 5 in mvp voting in back to back seasons, had over 10 50 point games in just 2 years, including an 81 and 2 60s. Had a 50 ball in the playoffs. Also made all defensive first team twice. Thats literally killing it

[@sgj4214]

@@domg6251dude just dont know ball. Dont even make sense to argue w ppl who are special ed.

[@sgj4214]

@@domg6251mans stay sucking lebron off in his comments too.

[@SamSamSamJ]

It turned into a great conversation.

[@pmodi1104]

Gil is usually out of pocket but he’s right on this. Wade and T Mac bodies gave out, Kobe reached his full potential but with Vince you always felt like there was something more and it never happened

[@spiidey1]

Someone with Vince's talent should've made all-NBA 1st team once, but he never did. At least T-mac made it twice before his back injuries happened.

[@labaronfreeman1140]

That makes sense because you can say a lazy Vince Carter was way better than Gil

[@labaronfreeman1140]

I used to love to watch Gilbert arenas play especially in the agent zero days, but literally EVERYONE on that list is a better baller and has a better career

[@younggod3906]

@@labaronfreeman1140I wouldn’t say way better that is a reach . Gil before the knee injury was a better player than Vince

[@younggod3906]

@@labaronfreeman1140Agent Zero was the truth

[@radezzientertainment501]

VC has always been my favorite player, to this day I don't think I've seen a player with a bigger bag of moves and ways to score the ball, he had it all. Still, I believe he could have been far greater if he deferred less especially in orlando

[@GSthe3rd]

only one with a bigger bag is Melo

[@noahmaroto]

Yea in Orlando he should had tried to be more dominant! Couldn’t stand how he played there! Also I think the Coach didn’t help cuz the style they wanted to play but still get what you’re saying .

[@EddiePReacts]

​@@GSthe3rdwhat? No lol

[@25McDermott]

His cousin had a better bag! T-Mac

[@nate8604]

@@25McDermottnah, it was about even. Vince one of the best shooters in league history. T-Mac was a better defender though.

[@thegoldrobber]

People forget Vince said, while still playing in Toronto, that he may never dunk again. He wanted out. He wasnt mentally strong - that is my opinion. I also agree with Gil's assessment.

[@sherylbrown8428]

Vince went to his graduation when he was in ECF with sixers . People didn’t like that he prioritized walking graduation

[@dontaewhittaker8743]

The Disrespect of #3 is mind boggling. The third greatest SG in NBA history 🤦🏾‍♂️ People are entitled to their opinions, but they shouldn’t be allowed to negate the facts on such platforms. I’ve always loved & respected Gil, because he’s always been a realist, and respects the game.

[@rayj1013]

A.I is better than Wade

[@stopabledu]

defending your bf 😂😂🤦🏿‍♂️ypu and wade zesty

[@luckyzcorner]

Not for nothing but wade is highly overrated. Had a what 3-5 year long prime?

[@vincaso]

@@luckyzcornerterrible take

[@luckyzcorner]

@@vincaso only twice was he even considered one of the two best guards in the league

[@WaylonAndST.MathyusDad35]

People forget they used to compare Vince to Jordan before Kobe. He had the hops, he had the charisma and he could shoot

[@TopBillinSports]

He could shoot threes and dunk. He didn't have handles. He didn't have a mid-range game. He wasn't as dominant in the post as his body and athleticism suggested he should be. What was his go-to move? Stackhouse was compared to Jordan before him, and I think Stack was a better overall player than Vince. Not to say Vince wasn't very good, but he definitely didn't end up being as good as when I saw him at Mainland going into UNC...

[@Dhomer0716]

I completely AGREE with Gil. Growing up in Toronto and watching Vince. There was a point in time where I and I’m sure many others as fans felt like he didn’t really care about the game of Basketball and didn’t really gave 100%. There is no way he shouldn’t be recognized as top 3 of all time.

[@ianrussellallcaps]

The Raptors didn’t invest money in building a team around him and held him back.

[@deebee8825]

Yep, my favorite player ever and I felt he could have been All-NBA first or second team consistently throughout his career.

[@Dhomer0716]

@@ianrussellallcaps we had Trash management we all know that but so did Kobe but look at the numbers.

[@ianrussellallcaps]

@@Dhomer0716 Toronto never had anywhere near the same roster as the lakers skill wise. Even when they had big name stars it was the same as nets issue. They acquired big names but they were way older and not as dynamic anymore. Plus they really allowed Tracy to leave too soon so unlike kobe he didn’t have a offensive counter off the hall anymore to draw defenses away and him to score at the same clip as kobe.

[@Dhomer0716]

@@ianrussellallcaps I mentioned management to illustrate that both Elite players (Kobe and Vince) didn’t have the best roster to compete for a chip (i.e 2004 Raptors and 2006 Lakers) the point I’m making is, for the talent Vince had there is no reason why he shouldn’t be in the GOAT conversation. That’s why Gil is calling him lazy because instead of being the Lamborghini he is he settled for being a Honda civic with 300k miles. In simple terms: look at his performances every time he played against Toronto. Regular season and Playoffs. He tortured us. If he played like that every night….🤦🏿‍♂️

[@kevindsmith10000]

How hard is it to understand Gil feels like Vince just didn't live up to his potential. He was a beast that should have been running the league but never met that due to his work ethic.

[@Chromedesu444]

Looking back Vince and Tmac were supposed to be them ones, Vince as what 6’7 with super bounce and Tmac was 6’9 with super bounce…shit was insane

[@jaydell4039]

Actually Vince was more like 6’5

[@Chromedesu444]

@@jaydell4039 word? He wasn’t taller than bean?

[@kenochill2190]

@@Chromedesu444 they got him at 6 6 like kobe

[@kingshabazz1310]

​@@Chromedesu444Kobe himself said he was closer to 6'4 than 6'6

[@kingshabazz1310]

​@@kenochill2190Those are "NBA heights" lol...

[@Brodieiamnot]

She cutting the 3rd best SG in history, get her off my screeen now, and McCants

[@daevonthesavage7483]

Because it's all four in their prime and Wade is the only one under 6'5 in the bunch. There's no bad pick in this. You going by status after retirement

[@iSpeakGodsWords]

she's too young for this conversation.

[@Lo_2xx]

@@iSpeakGodsWordsshe 30 she should know better

[@AverageMyth]

If you don't try you hardest it's laziness regardless of how lazy. Vince could have had a way better career imo but it's a VERY valid point about his mental health after the Toronto trade

[@klphoenixrollers3030]

That was an interesting conversation. Young players should listen to these conversations without their feelings.

[@hakshustletv]

Zion & Ja comes to mind but a lot of the young guys in general. With the money in the game today, they can make over half a billion dollars throughout their career just from earnings and another few hundred from outside deals, potentially over a billion in earnings overall. When they play with their blessings they're leaving hundreds of millions on the table. That's generational money.

[@kingsworld2220]

Sometimes I have to agree with Gil and this is one of those times. Vince was my favorite player to take over from MJ and he just went down hill. If he had Kobe mentality, he would’ve dominated. He was naturally more gifted.

[@paolo7486]

the kobe mentality can only take you so far you need to have actual all nba teammates to win a ring. Specifically big men and vince didnt have that. kobe had shaq/pau, Pierce and allen had KG at the same time, Manu had Timmy. The raptors and nets failed to surround VC with a true contending supporting cast

[@kingsworld2220]

@@paolo7486 we r not talking wining, we r talking about his career. He never took it to another level, even though he was talented enough to do it.

[@paolo7486]

@@kingsworld2220 He averaged 20ppg+ for 10 straight years. he was short on accolades not stats

[@joejohnson4613]

Im glad Gill speaks on work ethic. Its important. As a wizards fan i wish he wouod have worked on defense at least a quarter of the time

[@willellis502]

There was never a single second a season where Vince was the best ion the league, and Vince was my guy back then. Even 2000, that was Shaq in the most dominant version of anybody we ever saw. McCants be saying some real fried stuff at times.

[@trudukel7129]

I guess Gil forgot those seasons Vince was the talk of the world.

[@shamirbrown8160]

No, he's remembering it quite well... that's why he called him Hancock

[@FlyteTVEnt]

Gil has a point. Vince showed the killer mentality only when he was angry or playing against the Miami heat. Dunked over the guy in the Olympic player cuz he was pissed his agent stole millions from him. Dunked on Alonzo mourning cuz Alonzo kept fouling him going to the basket. I say that to say this. I would take Vince talent but wouldn’t put him over T Mac, Kobe, or Wade if I had to pick the best mentality.

[@wesleymiller3830]

Even with vince playing angry and aggressive against the heat, wade still eliminated him two years in a row in 05 and 06. Vince should be the one to get cut

[@adolfBBC]

Team game. The others on the list are all 6'6+ with 3 levels of scoring. Wade was amazing and a monster athlete, leader and scorer but definitely had the least natural talent when it came to ball. (Heat fan)

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

He does not have a point. Vince, at one point was in the top three for all game-winning shots of active players up until like close to the 2010s. Go look up his game winners and tell me he didn't have a killer mentality. Not many players during his generation shot and made more and percentage-wise. He was near the top of the list in crunch time

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

Vince didn't have the mentality and will to win like a Kobe or Wade...people really just pushing back on the "lazy" accusation.

[@ForEducationalPurposesOnly]

@@JonReynoldsESQ or the organization..let's be honest. I don't think Kobe ends up a 20 year hornet with 5 rings. I don't think if wade was on the bobcats his career is the same

[@djdosado]

I agree with Gil. I was born and raised in Toronto. I actually went to the Dr. Funk commercial that he did with peewee Kirkland and a whole bunch of other people in Scarborough Ontario. He was the reason why most of us watched Raptors basketball. and there were just nights that he just wouldn’t give you anything. I don’t know if he was hurt or whatever it was but it was like one day he was Superman and the next day he really was just Clark Kent.

[@VengeanceSinX]

u from toronto u should know he was injured 2002 onwards.

[@djdosado]

@@VengeanceSinX the point still stands, and just living in Toronto wouldn’t tell me everything, even if I virtually watched every game but I would assume that someone who played against him like Gil would know. Thanks

[@VengeanceSinX]

@@djdosado thats one of the major reason he became clark kent. you didnt know that even though youre from Toronto.

[@djdosado]

@@VengeanceSinX nice try. Try someone else your response was dealt with lol!

[@VengeanceSinX]

@@djdosado ok nephew lmao

[@rayraytheog]

Vince were best player in the nba probably the most fun to watch 2000s

[@Adam.B.A305]

I really think Dwade life after basketball has shifted peoples perspective and made them forget how good and better he was then most

[@Chris56076]

How can life after basketball change his legacy?? He still a legend

[@corpyhogan4433]

@@Chris56076 homophobic people, brother Lol

[@13laZe9]

We actually SAW FIRST HAND when Kobe started, and DWADE came off the bench. The world got TORCHED. Wade lead the team in scoring although he came off the bench. And was GAME changing.

[@CoachHuss]

That was a different circumstance you can’t discount them having Bron, CP and several other HOFs against international comp which varies more compared to NBA where every team is good. Maybe they would have been better w/ Vince coming off. Vince had his share of highlights for team USA previously

[@eviltwn]

And you have to take in accountability other teams are aiming for other stars, probably didn’t prep well for Dwyane Wadev

[@BigDilf3]

You talking about a stacked USA team😂😂

[@jordanfromphila]

😂😂

[@munchball5825]

I'm with Gil... Vince peeked early to have been in the league for so long. He retired in what 2021 but last averaged 20 in 2007... I'm sure the other 3 averaged 20+ for their career

[@derreckpressley1165]

Normally I don't rock with what Gil says, but on this he's 💯. I'm a huge Kobe fan, but Vince was easily the most physically gifted athlete of the 4 players mentioned. However, I think that was also he's achilles heel; he didn't have to work that hard to be very good. If he had Kobe's work ethic VC could've been the best ever, instead he's really only the best in-game dunker ever (maybe Shawn Kemp). And to answer the question: start = Kobe, bench = D-Wade, trade = T-Mac, and cut = Vince.

[@Gunktion]

The drive to be great vs the drive to last 💎 mane this some deep sht.

[@raybuffz4010]

To cut or trade Wade who has more rings than the 2 they keeping is insane

[@phoenixmg]

It's more accurate to say that Vince wasn't as competitive and serious as MJ and Kobe. Vince clearly had put in work to maintain his body in order to play as long as he did. He was still able to posterize anybody at anytime but he did expand his game. He also got along better with teammates than Michael and Kobe and he was OK with stepping back despite the athleticism, skill, and talent. Gilbert himself has said that he knew not to piss him off or motivate him and we all know his ass will say and or do anything crazy at any given moment.

[@iunderstanphotography2780]

18:03 this is such an importnat point, especially in the social media age, where people post about their personal lives for all to see. You can literally see what someone does to be successful, why aren't you doing some of it? This applies not only to basketball but every aspect of life I watched a friend start a blog that led to her working all arond thw world. I was there during the daily grind and I didn't see what she was becoming, why didnt I do it too?? emulate what others have done to be successful

[@M-Cherian]

No question Carter had great potential, but he wasn't lazy. He may have lacked the obsessive attitude of other greats like Jordan or Bryant, but he wasn't lazy. Carter was amazing and fun to watch. Hard to watch the the dunk contest knowing how it was in the past. Also Carter wanted out of Toronto.

[@Superstarstolie]

"demi god getting out dueled by a demi god" i felt that lol

[@EddiePReacts]

DWade led his team to a championship. When his back was against the wall he put an all time great performance to send an all time talent in Dirk packing. TMac has never made it out the first round in the playoffs and even if you omit his bad teams its literally his fault. Im so tired of TMac getting overrated because he was a great offensive player and has some really dope highlights. But go look at Tmacs history man. Hes who people think James Harden is in the playoffs. Prime harden being stuck in the first round doesnt even sound right. Tayshaun prince was a rookie and shut mac out of a playoff series after Mac was cooking the pistons. Its really unacceptable to put him over Wade at his peak.

[@gonchanli]

Wade had shaq before that he was losing after shaq left he started losing again. then he had lebron and bosh then started losing again after they left.

[@krownheightsgang7053]

And that was just the 2nd year in his career his rookie year he made it to the playoffs by himself..when he hit the step back on baron davis ..and guess what lebron nor Carmelo made it to the playoffs and they was the bigger names as rookies and he ain’t have washed up shaq yet …and I remember all this like yesterday

[@krownheightsgang7053]

@@gonchanlihe wasn’t losing what are us talking about 😂😂😂😂😂 wade first season he with to the playoffs and lebron and melo went home they first season second season ..washed up shaq came and they won in his second season …so what losses was he taking again or u just yapping ya jibbz

[@jayscott1166]

🎯

[@dolphsantana5432]

@@gonchanli lol Tmac had yao n grant couldnt make it out the first round and Vince had with j kidd, Dirk hell even his own family in Tmac never made it to the finals so what you saying other than your a casual go back and look at 09 wade was on a mission by himself y'all try to disrespect him n his greatness bc of his choices as parent seems like bc what can you say about his game other than he wasn't a great shooter

[@Escaping2030]

Id say that for a lot of players, even the genetically gifted ones, it took work ethic to get to bugatti level, and once they get it, they play themselves down in the league for many reasons. For fear of injury or because they dont see the logic of putting it all out on the court, when on most nights a 70% effort gets the job done to the satisfaction of their coaches and most fans. Only a select few push it full throttle for as long as their bodies can.

[@ajhaynes8204]

Respect what you see at the time.

[@Geezybabe98]

D wade arguable beat the mavericks by him self tf

[@Dubiematic]

He had Shaq and some allstars

[@Geezybabe98]

@@Dubiematic Shaq was past his prime he had vets that really it

[@Loudpackjefe]

Don’t Wade got the most blocks ever as a guard?

[@Nat_Turner10_8]

Yes his entire nba career and some of his college career he had a bad knee. Even with a bad knee he’s the third best shooting guard of all time.

[@levardotts9026]

He does, 57 more blocks than second place (MJ). Jordan got slightly more blocks per game and T-Mac's BPG is about the same as Wade's but D-Wade played a lot more games than both of them.

[@threethirtynine1514]

Yup

[@brettthomas6327]

Absolutely

[@dennislong6853]

The disrespect for Vince is crazy during his prime he was the second coming of mj . Toronto basketball area was named after him the sit canda center.

[@Mamby]

Gil makes a great point.

[@anthonylong1043]

I totally agree. Vince playing 22 years and wasn’t even in top 10 scoring all time even though he was the best all around player. He could literally do everything on the court and his only title is “maybe” the best dunker.

[@TurKishsoulja]

The Dwade disrespect is wild by these clowns. Dwade behind Kobe is fine but Tmac and Vcarter? lol foh man

[@dusk6159]

No wonder that those who did it were that dude Rashad McCants and the other guest, I imagine from the WNBA though or something

[@MrDiMES123]

@@dusk6159it made me mad cuz they peer pressured Gil to change his answer

[@StreetNews215]

Picks was based on height advantage

[@melvincreddle1370]

Real talk like wade and Kobe not even suppose to be in a debate with Vince and tmac

[@TurKishsoulja]

@@StreetNews215 might as well pick bolbol because he must be the best player lol

[@jasonfu2094]

Watching the dunk contest Kenny say’s, “He’s Jordan with a bigger body”. Jordan famously had to hit the weights to get up to 215, Vince came out of college 220-25, he was way bigger in person than he looked on TV. He had more god give physical gifts than Kobe, he just did not have that competitive instinct like Jordan or Kobe.

[@macanthony1982]

I agree with Gil... Vince had the whole package... he could jump out the gym and he had a decent middy-game.. you usually dont get that at the same time in one player... its either or (Jordan is the exception)

[@Itallmakessense556]

Imagine cutting a 2009 Dwade for 2009 TMac or Vince 😂😂😂

[@bhaysmithbs]

2000-2007 vince was an animal shit and tmac.

[@marcelmarshall4240]

Gil is a hater. He tries to hide it, but he is a bitter dude. He effed off his own career. He acts like he was truly a great. He had a moment like a bunch of players do. His work ethic was not what he claims or it would translated to better OVERALL BEHAVIOR due the discipline. He is just a bitter c-level celeb that should be very happy social media sack-riders worship ANYONE who has done ANYTHING. He knows ..when he goes to sleep at night…he is not on the level of the men he has the audacity to chastise and call lazy.

[@AbdulNuriddin-dx1ie]

@marcelmarshall4240 you sound like the hater forreal

[@josephcheek4033]

@@AbdulNuriddin-dx1ielol fr though

[@marcelmarshall4240]

@@AbdulNuriddin-dx1ie Nah. Your hero is the clown. And you know it. Calling Vince lazy in the public like that was clown behavior of a jealous man. I know you cannot relate because you come from the era of bozos and do not realize that Gil is a complete goofy…but it is true. Sorry.

[@bluesafari5405]

Dats true Gil, Vince didn’t take his skill to the next level. Whereas he had potential to be a top 25 player of all time, but he settled for the longevity route.

[@cosmos9627]

Agreed I went the see vinces career highlights and man he had handles, athleticism, a shoot and was clutch.

[@cristianlopez6801]

⁠@@cosmos9627even tho it sounds harsh calling him lazy but kobe himself said Vince should’ve been getting comparisons to mj himself if he had better work ethic… now he isn’t even a top 75..

[@pampermenetwork]

I totally agree with Arenas. Vince quit on the team in Toronto. He took the leap in 2000/01 and regressed every year after that. In 2004/05 he admitted to quitting on the team. Got traded and then balled out in New Jersey. How do you explain that? After that first year in New Jersey he declined each year after. How do you explain that?

[@wolftrex7757]

The offseason is really what makes a legend or not the problem is players try to get better in season and it doesnt workout

[@dinomahmutovic3649]

Vince Carter was arguably the face of the NBA in the early 2000s. I think between 2000 and 2005 he was the leading All Star vote getter for like 3 or 4 seasons. During Shaq/AI/Kobe/MJ/KG that is a big deal. Young fans don't know how big of a star he was.

[@prvkid011]

Facts I remember he even beat out Jordan in all star votes his last season with the Wizards

[@user-ol8zu5bf9q]

lol Vince was never the face of the NBA over Kobe and iverson? Truth be told you can say Tmac before Vince

[@TurKishsoulja]

Linsanity was the face at one point too. So what?

[@jamesonedwardsii4943]

No the hell he wasn’t knock it off. Revisionist historians make me sick! The reason Vince was voted to the all star game is also because he used to tell fans he had sick dunks for the all star game…..he was NEVER the face over Shaq let alone Kobe. The NBA HATED AI and he was still in more commercials and seen more places than VC ever was.

[@SideEyeMuppet]

There was no singular face of the NBA in the early 2000s it was done by committee.

[@1933MB]

I always say there are two kinds of people: those who are born with special skills and those who work super hard to catch up with them. Take Vince, for example. He was a natural athlete, especially when it came to jumping out the gym/shooting mid-range/long range, etc. If he had also been super focused and driven, like Kobe Bryant, he could have been one of the best basketball players ever. So, when Gilbert says he wants to mix Vince’s great basketball skills with a fierce attitude, he’s saying something a lot of fans and players have probably been thinking for years.

[@deebee8825]

He's my favorite player of all time. I always felt that he had the ability/talent to be better than Kobe or at least right there in the conversation through his whole career. His skill level was insane, he could score at will, jump like crazy, could shoot the 3, was clutch etc. He showed in that 2005 run when he got traded to the Nets and took them to the playoffs, dude was unstoppable.

[@boombenjamin92]

Vince was far from lazy he just got on other teams after Toronto and accepted his role. He was the leader in Toronto. Everywhere else he respect guys that were there before him so he came to contribute. Why would he step on Jason Kidd leadership, Dwight Howard's role as Franchise tag, or over Steve Nash on the Suns? Vince relied a lot of his skills and talents and stayed healthy. Yes he was a cool guy and people wanted him to be mean or more aggressive like Kobe but the game was too easy for him so Vince was chill. If anything people called T-Mac a lazier version of Kobe. TMac was a beast just not full work ethic like Kobe and Will to want to win. Dwayne Wade definitely worked hard and was a leader in locker rooms and huddles. Miami was Wade's territory just like Philly was Iverson's arena. You can't go wrong keeping any of the 4 guys but y'all left out AI and Ray Allen or Pierce and skipped to Wade.

[@Useruser1966d]

Gil be really talking out the side of his neck maaan lol 😂

[@quesabe204]

Vince was smart he knew it was just a game .. If a game is all you have in life its a sad day ...

[@dusk6159]

True, if Vince was anything more than an NBA athlete though

[@n.dewayneb9258]

You don’t have to be a former NBA player to conclude that Vince Carter could’ve been a lot better if he had worked harder. Skills and abilities are perfected with practice and repetition. He apparently didn’t do as much as he could have, especially since his last All-Star appearance was in 2009, but he played about 12 more seasons after that.

[@LuvLon24]

Yea but a player like Gill can’t speak. His career ain’t even pan out. Vince a HOF fuck outta here

[@bliine]

This is an incorrect statement. Vince got traded to a team with a Point God that ran the show. Mike Kobe Wade or Mac NEVER had that they ran the offense.

[@dusk6159]

@@bliine What happened post-season wise then, when Vince was running the show for years? If he couldn't get numbers because of the luxury of having JKidd

[@bliine]

@@dusk6159 he did his thing in Toronto in the playoffs so what he missed a buzzer to move on. Vince did his thing in Toronto in NJ it was the J Kidd show.

[@n.dewayneb9258]

Vince asked to be traded from Toronto. I remember him purposely underperforming to force them to trade him. As soon as he got to NJ he was balling again. . . And to be quite honest, when you go to a team with better players, it’s supposed to become easier to have success.

[@rslifestyle1038]

Gil spot on!!!!!!

[@thebeatrockmusic]

I need to hear Vince response. In a non "keep my image" way. A real response.

[@aaravrawal9180]

“Prime Vince was the best in the league” mfs just be saying stuff 😂

[@Zilla-15]

go do a spelling bee buddy...sports ain't your thing

[@TheOHNO44]

Right

[@daowonimdee]

2000-2001 Vince WAS the most feared player in the league at the time. You either have amnesia or you're too young to remember.

[@eclass1865]

Best at what mf ain't win Nathaniel

[@LightzyOG]

I think of anyone to point out if a player is lazy or not, it 100% should be Gil. Dude had a similar work ethic to Kobe and MJ

[@learnwithsofiajade]

did kobe or mj ever bring a gun to the locker room?

[@Jboooog18]

​@@learnwithsofiajade fuck that gotta do with work ethic

[@LightzyOG]

@@learnwithsofiajade no, but MJ was a gambling addict and Kobe nearly went to jail for SA accusations in the early 2000s. Don’t act like they had squeaky clean images.

[@JonReynoldsESQ]

Gil had a notoriously high work ethic...but lazy is a wild accusation even from him.

[@danknowitzki4728]

The glazing crazy…. Kobe and MJ got stats/playoffs/carried teams… Gil 11-20 in playoffs and only made em 4 times🎉

[@fridayvan-defoe6987]

Vince wasn't "lazy" in a typical sense- out of shape, missing practice etc- he was "lazy" in the sense that he coasted for most of his career, didn't maximize his out of his world talent but just got by on it rather than working hard. He probably did it because he didn't want the burden of responsibility that comes with winning at that level. Maybe he just marched to the beat of his own drum.

[@priztucker]

The Rick and Morty pants almost went over my head💨👀

[@Thatguyjbrown]

I think start bench cut trade is actually very valid. It makes you think more about the value of a player on another team/role vs just their performance in total. I think trade vs cut makes someone really have to think about who really has nba value

[@antant908]

Was crazy is his she kept s saying was trade mean lol just that trade

[@insame6938]

Not really just make a better debate

[@Pet_Tee]

​@antant908 she had a blonde moment

[@jaycee.01]

​@@antant908She just didn't understand why the trade part was needed coz it's usually only start, bench, and cut. She even stated @0:40 onwards that to her cut and trade are basically the same coz they essentially are both off the team and gil had to tell her that trading someone means he's still valuable rather than someone you cut because you think he's of no use to you.

[@MrDiMES123]

Trade is stupid stop it

[@SideEyeMuppet]

D Wade disrespect is crazy.

[@devontaedemon]

No it's not. Him letting his kid transition is crazy

[@dreddmann6532]

@@devontaedemon Man, worry about your own damn life!

[@dusk6159]

​@@dreddmann6532 That doesn't matter, he's right, besides his own or our own lives. If anything, that's Wade as a person and not as a player.

[@dolphsantana5432]

@@devontaedemon so because of the way he parents his whole NBA career is washed? wonder how u feel about Carl Malone then smh

[@devontaedemon]

@dolphsantana5432 Did I say that no. Wade is a legend I'm jus sayin in thier prime im taking t-mac & Vince over wade. Not career. F.y.i Karl Malone my opinion tried to get with Kobe(R.i.p) wife so 🖕him & he got an underage girl pregnant his ass should have been in prison like 30years ago

[@useyourthirdeye9083]

True dat though. Vince had a bag that nobody else had. But when you're that talented it's easy to just kinda go with the flow.

[@poserexposer6266]

The girl got it right off top. I couldn't believe it. Props to her. Steve was close was right there too. But if we're talking all in their prime and not injured, then the chick was on point

[@moonjp]

Carter also had a lot of knee injuries as well. Like Wade, Vince had to deal with jumper’s knee. He had to adjust his game.

[@Augrills]

I saw him on his farewell season in Atlanta and dude was still dunking 2 or 3 times a game at 43. His knees couldn’t have been that bad.

[@calvinsimon09]

His knee hurt him with getting to the basket. He could still jump, but his lateral movement and other movements were not the same. Look at his early Toronto years and his NJ years and look at the difference in his ability to get to the rim. @@Augrills

[@Augrills]

@@calvinsimon09 oh he was definitely old and slow and only played 5 minutes in a game against Orlando. But like if I tried to dunk, my asshole would fall out. So he’s not in that bad of shape is all I mean

[@tustari]

@calvinsimon09 VC is hands down (along with Mike) the most exciting player I’ve ever seen. It was the disastrous Jumper’s Knee surgery in 2003/04 that robbed him of his peak athleticism. From then on forward he lost almost 20% of his athleticism. And I noticed it immediately. What most people don’t understand is that 80% Vince was still more athletic than 99% of the league. So most thought he had recovered. But he could no longer summon his jaw-dropping athleticism on every play; and he had to choose when to show it.

[@Fsojack]

VC played 22 years(4 decades), 8 all star selections and the same amount of All nba selections as Julius Randle.

[@ygfsygfs4192]

Lazy is not the right word, He just wasnt the same dog as Kobe and the other greats 💪🏾💪🏾

[@lewis20002000]

That was a great analogy of Gil been "STUDIP". Gil should apply the same reflective view on his own career. EVERYBODY wants to play longer.

[@DaveMaverick]

He's absolutely 💯 right Vince was this naturally gifted player the league had every scene he had no Jordan assassin and Mamba mentality..which he could go back and do it all again ..he'd be the goat 🐐 today If he had only real heart

[@monoloworld]

What Gil is saying makes complete sense looking back as a kid I remember Vince Carter in his prime he did seem so gifted but really wasn’t skilled he used his natural abilities if he got more skilled he would of been just unstoppable

[@MichaelMichaelJr]

He was skilled. He just wasn’t a winner.

[@TheWordIsMarc]

Vince is a legend who left a lot on the table - He could've been the MJ of the 00s.

[@theonebyonemovement]

I am from Toronto Canada and been a Raps fan from day 1, literally. That comment about Vince saying he thought he would retire in Toronto? CAP! 🧢 He did everything he could to get traded! He even went as far as to tell competitors whilst on the court the next play! One game, he got booed so bad you could literally hear it a kilometre away! The teleprompters shook! Don’t believe me? There is footage to prove my claim. Vince made Toronto, then fucked us 🤦🏽‍♂️

[@fleetdagrim2594]

Gil was right. Vince had the talent to be a MJ Kobe alpha to lead a team to a chip but didnt heighten all his skills to get to that level. True he wasnt a great defender but his offensive bag was huge! Very underrated passer who could play point guard at times or point forward. After the trade to Jersey then Orlando then Phoenix he became a role player who could still put up decent stats & highlights here & there but wasnt a superstar or all star anymore by 30 with no significant injury to blame for that.

[@lugerstorm6920]

Too bad the nba didn’t have those 7 year rookie deals like now because VC and TMac might have a chip in Toronto.

[@juandufree4309]

I think Vince was having a resurgence in NJ before the knee injuries. For someone who “supposedly” had questionable work ethic he played for a very long time. My question would be if he’s “lazy” how did he push himself to play in his 40’s?

[@3rvin01]

Gil speakin facts