Gilbert Family Attorney John Ray

John Ray, the attorney for the Gilbert Family will be joining me live for True Crime with the Sarge. Mr. Ray has been the vocal leader and representative for Shannan Gilbert whose remains were found in Oak Beach, Long Island. John will be discussing the Long Island Serial Killer case from its inception as well as where he thinks the case is headed now. #lisk #shannangilbert #longisland #oakbeach #gilgobeach #rexheuermann #truecrime #truecrimewiththesarge
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[@carakao-young1485]

Sarge, thanks for giving Mr. Ray a platform where he shared a lot of tidbits and insight that we've never heard before. He is needed now more than ever!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Cara - John will be back on the show in the future

[@carakao-young1485]

The press conference today (Oct 18, happens to be the day I've turned 58, sheesh!) is shocking ... on SO many levels! What about the message Rodney Harrison is sending by standing shoulder to shoulder w/John Ray?? WOW... all while Mr. Ray continues to shake up the sh$t... with passion, conviction, and perseverance. I can't wait to hear you interview Mr. Ray again, hopefully he'll become a "regular" guest with the Sarge! Thank you my fellow professor ~ 💜 Cara, from Oregon

[@carakao-young1485]

I feel behind, living in the Pacific time zone, LOL! After watching John Ray's press conf, I'm settling in to watch you as a guest on my OTHER favorite channel: Surviving the Survivor. (Joel is also covering Suzanne Morphew's story today, the case I follow most closely 😞😞) Take care of yourself Sarge!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@carakao-young1485 thanks. I have a huge show on this Tuesday at 11AM - the police commissioner himself!

[@missingstolenanimalsireland]

Watching on Replay. Delighted to see John Ray is here with you Joseph. Blessings from Ireland. Thinking of the Gilbert Family and thank you John for all you have done and are doing 🙏

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you - all the way from Ireland- wow! I appreciate it

[@missingstolenanimalsireland]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge my pleasure 😊

[@silverstuff182]

John Ray is an unusual attorney. He's a real bulldog. He's not going to make any fortune from the Gilbert family. But years and years in, he's still here. Now he's famous and he deserves it.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@silverstuff182 John will be back on the show, soon!

[@missingstolenanimalsireland]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge look forward to that show. Thank you ☘️

[@lindamalcolm2743]

Thank you so much Joseph. I could listen to Mr Ray all day regarding this case, he is a very intelligent and capable gentleman. Regards from Scotland 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Linda!

[@lindamalcolm2743]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge I’m a new subscriber, think I saw you on Duty Ron or STS.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@lindamalcolm2743 I’ve been on STS a few times now. Thanks for the subscribe!

[@sayno2globalism]

Hey Joe, this was a great interview. I watched yesterday, but need to come back and comment. I missed the live, very bummed about it…couldn’t make it back after Publicly Buzzed. I’ve been following this case a long time. Thank you for having John on, I hope he can come back another time. I’m so invested in Shannon’s killer being brought to Justice for her. I don’t believe LE’s narrative, I don’t believe much of anything coming from Burkes tenure. I just want to say, thank you!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you! The replay team is awesome too.John will be back for another show

[@Ni-ib2po]

Thank you

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching

[@mandolinwind]

How much do we love John Ray?! Awesome discussion. Also, wild the incident of the victim's sister with the mother...ewww. Lived in Valley Stream back in the day - justice for Shannon and all the victims in this horrible case😢.

[@shannonshaming]

So glad to see you have John Ray on with you. You consistently deliver great content. Happily on replay crew today!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Shannon! I appreciate you and Jay.

[@annettemoolman6504]

Great guest today. Thank you and John Ray for this video. 💙❤️💙❤️ John Ray will make sure to get Justice for Shannon Gilbert 💜

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Yes!

[@ashysnow4155]

Replay Team. Thank you, Sarge and Mr. John! ❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks ashy!

[@Laura-fp6et]

Thank you John Ray. Thank you Joseph 😊

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching Laura

[@Su_aSponte]

My Lord! So much new information. Great interview. What a truly good man John Ray seems to be. He and commissioner Harrison are shining so much light into this stinkin cess pool. It so wonderful to get to witness their hard work and dedication making a real difference. We need more men like these who chose to live lives of conviction and integrity whatever their vocation or role in society. Thank you for platforming these honorable people. Found you through Bob Motta, another good man who platforms good men! Kudos!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks! John will return tomorrow, 7PM

[@Su_aSponte]

Heck yeah! Got my notification on!

[@AntonioDimitriadis]

why cops didn't search oak beach first instead of gilgo beach for gilbert?

[@MsAsjak]

Just got to love John Ray the dedication and hard work!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

He will be back soon MsAsjak

[@MsAsjak]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge It was actually almost thank for him the orhers where found!

[@Laura-fp6et]

Thank you for knowing the truth.

[@shelix222]

New subscriber coming over from STS. It's nice to see someone giving John Ray some respect.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching!

[@amandawilcox9664]

This was an incredible interview! I've been following this case for so long it is rare to find a true crime KZbin video that's full of information about the case that I didn't know. Came over from Grizzly True Crime and had to subscribe after this interview. Amazing job! I truly hope we can someday get justice for Shannan.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you for watching Amanda. I’m glad you found me 🐻🐻

[@dcala2]

I love John! Thank you John for all you have done!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching

[@louisejeffries7155]

Oh Joseph, it’s good to see you back It’s been an age and I was getting concerned I trust all is well with you Good to hear Mr. John Ray speaking again today. I so admire that man I haven’t realised not Everybody knew about the survivalist club connection out on Gilgo. Bishoff it is said was also a member of that club That’s why I’ve always believed that yes Rex acted as a lone predator. He also acted in a group in the late 90s. When things began to go pear-shaped due to Shannon they disbanded Some moved Some self deceased Some imprisoned some just got on with their way of living life I’ve always believed that at times there was more than one and therefore different MO as each played their part in the responsibility of disposing of the victims Because of this group I believe this case shockingly goes higher up the food chain If ever a full investigation was to happen, we may find previous local and state politicians involved - just saying although I do have some theory for that statement and don’t say it lightly Any way Joe good to see you back and thank you Mr Ray - both of you gentlemen thank you

[@andreatalu2169]

I like John R. Fighting for justice 👏👏👏

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

He’s been a warrior

[@rita6427]

I hope #RodneyHarrison sees this Interview. He is still stating Shannan's death is a "tragic accident". How did Rodney's Task Force determine this? Show us the footwork. Please & thankyou. Nice Interview. You are both a Class Act.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

It has been carried as an accident since Shannan’s remains were found. I believe that if there is evidence uncovered, it can change in a second. John Ray and I both believe that.

[@wecanbefree7539]

​@@TrueCrimeWithTheSargeI hope so

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@wecanbefree7539 I will have Commissioner Harrison on this coming Tuesday, 10/25 at 11AM EDT

[@wecanbefree7539]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge Too many are corrupt sadists ,or blackmailed to join their cult

[@DeesCreativeHandsCrochet]

John Ray is incredible. Everytime i hear him, he is giving more information. To bad the police dept doesn't have his stamina.❤

[@user-my3wb8qb1c]

Super Show, John Ray has a lot of knowledge!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for watching

[@Laura-fp6et]

I hope so to. John Ray much of the planet is now watching. Thank you.for you have stood for the truth. ManyJewels in your crown. For the the ignorance of some people who said things about your clothes that day. They lack those jewels to say it nicely. Thank you both.😊

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for the kind words and for watching!

[@Laura-fp6et]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge Thank you

[@justmeonly986]

Wow. What a great interview.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thank you. John Ray will be back. If you have time, I have the SCPD Commissioner at 11AM EDT today.

[@kathys53]

Wow. I just learned a lot more with the behind the scenes.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks Kathy. John will be back on this Friday, 7PM EDT

[@kathys53]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge Yep, I have it on my calendar

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@kathys53 thanks again!

[@teresaslo]

😐"Everybody in the room?"

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

She stated, ‘They’re trying to kill me.’

[@BellaFinn]

Watching replay 🌻Peacefully 🌸Poor beautiful innocent souls🌸🤍🕊️🤍

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks for spending your time with me Bella

[@BellaFinn]

⁠@@TrueCrimeWithTheSargeThis is incredible knowledge, his Irish ☘️ as well no way will he back down 🫶Bless I’m from a different country & only knew of this case this year &I find this fascinating man is highly intelligent & I believe him 100% the things I’ve read about John Ray , he isn’t doing this for money he is so spot on listening to this kind caring non judgmental man , has them rattled because obviously for so many years he knows everything, his dealing with ppl of street smarts & his old school trust me he won’t back off until justice for the victims is exposed. That Burke we have had high up police commissioner & his corrupt task force just like this Burke that nobody is behind these Coverups & for sure got to where he did even with his criminal activities & got his job so high up so obvious & blackmailing for sure was involved, John Ray got a lot of ppl going to see there karma soon or as they say will reap what they have sowed 🌼I’ve seen it in mylife this kinds of things been done 💚John Ray 🌼God 🫶 Bless 🌼I learned alot of interesting things 💭his amazing thanks so much for this amazing interview 🌻🇦🇺☘️💚🌻

[@frankhannon8001]

Hi john, I been listening to you for the last few months and I agree with you about Rex’s wife not knowing what he was doing. I been married for 34 years and I always know where my wife monika is. You seam like a bright and smart man and funny! I love ❤when you wear the different color clothes. You are only doing this for 41 years 🎉which is my favorite number. I am a big Tom Seaver fan. Keep up the outstanding work you are doing a hell of a job 🎉

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Hi Frank, I will forward your message to John. - Joe

[@AntonioDimitriadis]

why cops didn't search oak beach first instead of gilgo beach for gilbert?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

There were a number of mistakes made. If you haven’t done so already, that’s all covered in the first interview I did With John Ray 2 weeks or so ago

[@danih7577]

Mr Ray was smart to dress as he did for the PC. He has been trying to get the public’s attention for the victims. He made people stop , listen, and pause . Many dismissed victim Shannon as an addict who drowned herself after becoming paranoid and lost . Many moved on with their lives . Her fear and pleas must him haunt . The wrong help came to her rescue 😔. It’s so awful. Lisk’s wife should have called anonymous tip line. Self preservation and battered woman syndrome is not an excuse for silence. It’s only an explanation.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

His hats and clothing has always been his branding. He’s kept this case going and deserves the credit. As for the wife, it’s still too early to tell.

[@danih7577]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge I want to think that he is not another show boat attorney. I will give him the benefit of the doubt. For the wife …. Maybe there was an anonymous tip. We’ll have to wait and see. These interviews are excellent and I’m catching up on all of them . I’m also surprised that there have only been a few hundred views , but am certain that will change soon. Feeling very grateful to the Feds after listening. Just hope these horrific acts don’t become a spectacle that detracts from justice . I hope there is a balance found out of respect to the many victims. I’m floored though. Respectfully, all unions operate like the mob. It’s a racket 🙁. It’s all very political. That’s just my cynical pov … many egos and agendas. A sad state . Thank you for putting all these interviews together.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@danih7577 thanks Dani. I’m relatively new to creating content and things are starting to pick up. Nice folks like yourself are a big bonus in that goal. Thanks for sharing your time with me.

[@danih7577]

I did some research on oak island there’s approx 32 houses. This island is accessed only by boa (everything is brought in by boat) t and is not part of municipal services including utilities. There also appears to be a community of duck hunters The affidavits blew my mind yesterday. A cabal. How could do much evil exist in our world that the secrecy lasted for years while lives were lost ? Shudder to think. Look forward to your interview today. May justice be served for the victims and their families. There was a child who also fell victim to these sick hunters who mutilated their victims . It beyond conceivable . I do hope that every person related to this case is under surveillance. I do hope there is resources available to dig into the other residents and party members. I was really shocked yesterday. There is a lot of veritable information in those affidavits with shocking implications.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Hi Dani. Oak Beach is a small closed community right in the water, but there is an entrance from Ocean Parkway. This is where Shannan and her driver entered the development the night she disappeared.

[@danih7577]

@@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge thank you for explaining that. I had read old archived articles . The mentality is a type of prepper or isolationist. And I wondered how she had a driver , but the articles explained everything from furniture to grocery was brought by boat . Appreciate the clarification.

[@AntonioDimitriadis]

why cops didn't search oak beach first instead of gilgo beach for gilbert?

[@danih7577]

@@AntonioDimitriadis I wondered about this myself. And it’s hard to keep all the facts straight. This is a timeline that helped me understand. The whole timeline is on ABC , I highlighted excerpts to help answer your question. I’m assuming they did, but this was what led to the search of Gilgo Beech and Ocean parkway. It’s unbelievable the fates of Shannan and her mom Mari. May they rest in peace and what finally led to Shannan and so many other’s being found . Thank God also for Rodney Harrison. These preceding events are important also. “April 20, 1996 A pair of severed legs wrapped in plastic are discovered on Fire Island. The woman is referred to as "Fire Island Jane Doe." Her remains are the first indication that something sinister is happening on Long Island. November 2000 Partial remains of a woman are found in Manorville, Long Island. This woman is referred to as "Manorville Jane Doe" by investigators. July 2003 Partial remains of a woman are found in Manorville in the same location remains were discovered three years prior. The first remains of the "Gilgo Four" are found. December 11, 2010 As canine teams are searching for Shannan Gilbert, they discover the skeletonized remains of Melissa Barthelemy. (Her remains were not identified for another month.) She was wrapped in burlap in the thick brush on Gilgo Beach. The beach they found her on was covered in snow. December 13, 2010 Investigators return to the area where they discovered the first body and find three more badly decomposed bodies wrapped in burlap. They were searching in punishing weather conditions late into the night. They said there were no obvious signs of trauma to the bodies and that at least two of the bodies belonged to women. March 29, 2011 In another attempt to find Shannan Gilbert, a fifth body is found along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach. The remains were recovered less than a mile from where the "Gilgo Four" were discovered. March 29, 2011 In another attempt to find Shannan Gilbert, a fifth body is found along Ocean Parkway near Gilgo Beach and Oak Beach. The remains were recovered less than a mile from where the "Gilgo Four" were discovered. April 4, 2011 Police find three more victims in the area between Oak Beach and Gilgo Beach, bringing the total count of victims to eight. Investigators identify the victims as Jane Doe Number 6, a baby girl and an Asian man. April 11, 2011 For the first time, investigators expand their search into Nassau County, and a ninth and 10th victim are discovered. Their bodies were found on Ocean Parkway in Jones Beach, about five miles from where the "Gilgo Four" were found. Police say they have several people they consider as persons of interest, After a year and a half of searching, investigators find Shannan Gilbert. December 11, 2011 Investigators find a cell phone, lip gloss, shoes and a pocketbook they say belonged to Shannan Gilbert on Gilgo Beach. They say do not believe her death is related to the 10 bodies they found in the area over the last several months. December 13, 2011 Nineteen months after she vanished, Suffolk County Police find the skeletal remains of Shannan Gilbert on Gilgo Beach. Investigators believe her cause of death was accidental drowning.”~abc I think I’m going to need to memorize a few things from the timeline. This case is very unusual and I keep asking myself how did this happen? So many years. It makes me so sad. It seems some good people rose to the occasion. They were much needed. 1996-2022 🥲 God Bless this man February 15, 2022 After less than a year on the job, Suffolk County Police Commissioner Rodney Harrison announces a new task force to investigate the Gilgo Beach murders, bringing investigators from the state, county and FBI together for the first time.

[@danih7577]

@@AntonioDimitriadis i think the algorithms did not like my comment because I pasted excerpts from a B c timeline . Wikipedia “Gilgo Beach serial killings” has a map and that should answer your question. But do look up the timeline for aB c it should explain the series of events and why the searches were where they were. I do not think this monster acted alone and the map makes it clear how oak beech plays a central role.

[@mischiefmanaged9873]

I love John's perseverance, with what I think is a cover up for a sex ring/ snuff film. Most would have given up, not John. Great interview!

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks mischief. John will be back on this Friday, 7PM EDT

[@mischiefmanaged9873]

Thanks Joe! Looking forward to it!

[@wecanbefree7539]

Corruption

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Yes, an awful lot of it

[@wecanbefree7539]

​@@TrueCrimeWithTheSargeIts unreal.Please stay away from the ones who will try to discredit u both in the long run.All excops on here are not genuine(the paid ones)

[@user-ut5rj4kl9d]

Where was Shannon's driver? Why didn't he help

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks a long story with no answer too - he did enter the home and try to get her out and then just left her there realizing the police were coming and he’s involved in unlawful behavior

[@user-ci2ml8sr9j]

Cover up of murder , how horrible! Someone called her there for this purpose. I believe she knew the killer

[@renewhipple8887]

Replay ❤

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

Thanks rene!

[@kathys53]

I doubt the police did a good job of searching the area where her body was actually found. RIP

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

We’ll never know for sure.

[@AntonioDimitriadis]

why cops didn't search oak beach first instead of gilgo beach for gilbert?

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

John looks so tired here. Speaking of 911 - where was Rex during the attack of the WTC?

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

What?

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge just curious if he was in Manhattan at that time

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

@@jacquelinejacobson6789 The best I can tell is maybe - the NY Post said he had worked over 20 years from his 5th Avenue office - the day he got arrested 2023 - so he may have been in Manhattan in 2001

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

She may have been drugged at that ine time by her killer

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

One time

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

There maybe indication of her on something

[@wecanbefree7539]

Its a group

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

It maybe - lots of talk about that for a long time

[@pamspencer5377]

Lost the girls jacket huh.Well remember when they lost the presidents brain?

[@jacquelinejacobson6789]

Why would a sex worker call 911? He/she would just need to have their driver take them away.

[@TrueCrimeWithTheSarge]

That’s one of the mysterious things that happened that night