Gil's Arena Reacts To Joel Embiid's MASSIVE New Contract

[@Og6ix3]

Josiah built like a bully in a Disney movie

[@mrcdvs]

Wtf 😂😂😂

[@danielc2545]

Unc off the perc

[@Heatedboy211]

I can't unsee it now 😂😂😂😂

[@9amMoonwalker]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@DeuceTheAnomaly]

Dawg 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@kobbieruth9226]

Josiah definetely reminds me of Bobby from king of the hill

[@OlSkoolin]

How many times yall gon say that

[@xxtooshiestyxx8756]

Black 1090 jake lookin ahh 😂

[@therealkflo..]

😂😂😂 talkin bout my name is jozeff

[@4fizzlebaby444]

Crying 😂😂😂😂

[@Pnewade313]

Or a thumb 😂😂😂

[@gloryroad7452]

Ant, like, im not spending no money on clothing all this shit is free😂😂😂

[@PirateD.KingLuffy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@josephlima9554]

That's exactly what he said too

[@DurhamBull919]

Same motto for 😺 .. don't see how dudes pay for it 🤡

[@19934]

Rashad starts off arguing his point then turns around and argue everybody’s else point against himself that man kinda slow 😂😂

[@jaquanclendenning68]

He's playing a role on the show bruh

[@DaVontaeNC]

Goofy take

[@jeffreylanier222]

😂😂😂😂 man this is the funniest comment in here. McCants is some kind of special 😂😂😂

[@Tumorcoach]

@@jaquanclendenning68not he’s naturally stupid

[@Gfhmike]

@@jaquanclendenning68it’s still embarrassing. Why play an idiot on the show? He can disagree and still make sense and not contradict himself all the time. He’s only consistent on Caitlin Clarke

[@joshjoiner9225]

Yall better speak very kindly on Drose no cap

[@travisgrissom1456]

Facts the dude was a beast

[@wopskinoooo6801]

On bro

[@grandmasterzeref3904]

No D. Rose slander will be tolerated

[@Gfhmike]

He won’t make it in the hall he didn’t do enough because of injuries

[@milwaukeesav6699]

@@Gfhmike I said the same thing and I love D rose.. if he still ends up making I wouldn’t be mad at all.. I’ll just be shocked because he tore both knees by his 5th season

[@milwaukeesav6699]

Man this chat be wilding😂 whoever said “PillBert Arenas”needs to be in jail rn

[@Aman-fn5hz]

Someone said Gil Cosby😂😂😂

[@estoesbocapa688]

Why they saying that for lol

[@Suremane]

PillBert Arenas out here with Rashad McCat. hahaha

[@DavidPatterson-l3j]

😂😂😂

[@chadnelson7762]

Sounds like someone projecting... not really funny...

[@moodmuzik5785]

I watched Derrick Ross during his mvp year .Its a insult to compare him to ja morant. Drose was the truth

[@karronmoffett4979]

I watched him too it's shades of DRose in Ja game.

[@Dray_3stacks]

2010 Drose was insane to watch 🔥🔥

[@Weirdwalker87]

Who is Derrick Ross?

[@OlSkoolin]

​@@Weirdwalker87Rick Ross older cousin

[@LevitheLegend]

D Rose was that dude in Chicago

[@lazymaile8723]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="418">6:58</a> "you on alcohol not steroids" wild ...WILD 😂😂

[@marcushamilton1287]

Yo Mccants dress like he work at the flea market 😂😂😂

[@ILLWill1027]

🤣🤣🤣

[@thatguybgreen]

Like a scammer

[@SaintFrenchy]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@justinbright92]

A real hood 🥷🏾 😂

[@tyreifreeman9998]

Folks tb flea market 😭😭😭 you hell

[@paul4722]

my god.. y'all read the chat during gil's ad for the ro sponsor?! pure comedy lmao

[@Ginga]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1620">27:00</a> Rashad actually said Embiid doesn’t have a history of injuries. Lord…

[@riq2572]

Questionable every game 😂😂😂😂

[@bobsander4739]

Illinois mr basketball & state champion, college championship appearance, youngest MVP, multiple gold medals, multiple all stars, rookie of the year, all nba team; i think that's enough but I might be wrong

[@lorenenoch6020]

He’d have a case at the basketball hall of fame, just not the nba one

[@bobsander4739]

@@lorenenoch6020 The NBA doesn't make a distinction though; the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame recognizes all levels of impact as it relates to the sport.

[@lorenenoch6020]

@@bobsander4739 uhhh yes they do, it’s two completely different ceremonies

[@bobsander4739]

@@lorenenoch6020 do you mind linking that? I'm not familiar

[@lorenenoch6020]

@@bobsander4739 I mean there is no link but the main difference being that the basketball hall of fame elects guys who played in the nba, college, euro league, etc. The nba hall of fame strictly elects NBA players and coaches only

[@bigberry304]

Lexie legs glowing ❤❤

[@devontei7671]

Fine as hell too lol

[@bamarolltide6857]

Legs is nice asf but them ankles is dry asf

[@WICKEDfsho44]

@@bamarolltide6857🤣🤣🤣🤣no kappppp so yk them feet ashy

[@Tha4704]

My baby up in dere 🤰 ❤❤

[@Owexotic]

@@bamarolltide6857 Thought you was lyin

[@blickgod6541]

Josiah look like satou sabally

[@vteckbeatz]

😂

[@MacMakesMagic]

Lmfaoooo

[@chrischan6211]

😂😂😂😂😂😂💀

[@user-qv8gl7zj4t]

Nah this got it 😢😂😂😂😂😂

[@dmartin4018]

COMMENT OF THE YEAR 😂😂😂😂

[@justinallen3080]

Lexxie flexin wit the legs 😩😩

[@OlSkoolin]

Go outside and compliment a real girl

[@amba292000]

I love watching them on KZbin. Rashard does a great job as the heel. I especially love learning how the players see and play different situations. Great job guys.

[@unclesam6972]

I’m high as hell but this a good ass, balanced episode lol

[@MrRawls.]

😂

[@unclesam6972]

@@MrRawls. lol nun 2 crazy

[@brooklynrucker]

Wys 😭

[@RonVanDam33]

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@unclesam6972]

@@brooklynrucker nun 2 crazy

[@julianthomas391]

Salute to Gil's Arena!! Shoutout to Lexi!! You are appreciated!! Respect and Blessings!!

[@Louchieano]

Josiah looking like The Kid from Recess

[@jaefraz]

🤣🤣🤣

[@Puoy513]

He do😂😂😂

[@ynjaeYT]

Shad just b tryna argue just so they can discuss it longer then they need to😂😂

[@THE_REAL_KiNGTOPNOTCH]

Lexi legs whoa

[@Ginga]

Someone said looked like “glazed donuts” in the chat and I can’t unsee it. 😆

[@unclesam6972]

Looking like that rotisserie chicken after work 😭😩

[@raymondmcgee5434]

Facts bro definitely glad she came back because she knows exactly what she's doing lol😂😂😂😂💘💘💘💘

[@Messiah9]

Wd40

[@Real843BabySkii]

@@Messiah9that’s not your Corolla

[@TreJohnson-wh9ri]

I was having the worst day and you had me laughing before I realized it Gil. I needed that laugh brother thank you!!

[@Og6ix3]

Brandon look like he eat food out da garbage

[@mrcdvs]

Ayo 😂😂😂

[@chrisdamon1096]

LMFAO 😂

[@LaughAlil]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@robnot49]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@itsELL24]

😂😂

[@DavisJames-xy8jk]

"Lexi Legs""!!..in the building 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Cashman2024-j2p]

If I can sniff it I’ll be coo

[@maddogair]

Sister, is a long drink of cool water

[@jovonttebolden8653]

Hold up mccants said “i wasn’t watching drose” then say ja was more athletic is crazy work 👀

[@Evilkevin3]

I don’t think he said that, I think he said he was out the league the year he won mvp

[@TedJames-e7c]

Ja is more athletic then d rose, d rose was just bigger and stronger than ja with crazy athleticism

[@ATHTSupply]

@@TedJames-e7conly thing Ja does more athletically than Dose is Jump. Ja isn’t faster than Rose was, He isn’t stronger either He jumps higher but not even by that much I think it’s like a 5-6 inch difference on their running verticals. That’s athleticism. Ja ain’t more athletic at all

[@TedJames-e7c]

@@ATHTSupply bro 5-6 inches is definitely a lot when it comes to vertical you can tell the difference when someone is jumping that much more significantly than you and far as the speed I think ja was still faster than d rose but not by much at all. I definitely do think that d rose was stronger and more quicker than him

[@drasenclingmon5679]

I like the take on the doc and injuries by Rashad… PJ performance takes the time to understand and pinpoint what’s need to be done to strengthen and maintain your body

[@mauricemorris6499]

Yall know it's a lot of ppl in the HOF with less accolades than D Rose

[@ATHTSupply]

Ehhhhh you’d have to name them for me cuz I can’t think. I know Rose has the MVP and the Basketball HOF isn’t as strict as MLB OR NFL but Rose doesn’t have like a national championship , or accolades in other basketball leagues. It’ll be hard for him to get in. Not saying he won’t but it’ll be last ballot

[@Cyril_P.]

Hearing Shad say " DETROIT BASKETBALL " made my day💪🏾💪🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾😎😎

[@Thee_eric_lamar]

Josiah commentary is gold😅😅😅😅

[@abcsorensen]

He does his job well! That couch is crowded and loud 😂

[@Stephverry]

Bol Bol not as grateful and coordinated as Wemby you have to be alil stiff as a big man “ If you don’t want to play that way… 🥺 then you don’t have to play 😢” -MJ

[@CLWJ]

Brandon Jennings with the body bag on that Jimmy Butler and AI comparison 😂

[@KyleSmith-fs2vx]

BJ that Ducks jersey is hard AF 🔥🔥

[@darienrounds9307]

Kyrie comin back as “cheetah man” after the ayahuasca trip is crazy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@lulcj9235]

Timestamp?

[@kenyattawashington1863]

Pootie tang shirt underrated 💯

[@RichHS21]

Mccants just be talking

[@coreylyons6024]

McCants asking for the Sound Effect was HILARIOUS

[@9amMoonwalker]

While they talking about injuries, is Lexie ever going to play a Full season

[@michaelhaynes333]

Not too loud fam she’s jus a girl 😂

[@Makevali23]

Is she even good honestly? I wouldn’t know

[@OlSkoolin]

If she wasn't podcasting her career w be better

[@OlSkoolin]

If she wasn't podcasting her career w be better

[@freem5]

She has crohn’s disease, makes it hard for regular everyday people to live so I imagine playing professional with it is crazy hard

[@arcadeplayersonline]

D Rose entire Career from High School up to NBA is HALL OF FAME WORTHY.

[@4UnkleSloww]

But is his NBA CAREER HALL OF FAME WORTHY ?

[@Aj-jq3io]

@@4UnkleSloww i was saying this but for the fact that he was youngest mvp ever that’s getting him in there

[@arcadeplayersonline]

@@4UnkleSloww that is a different question entirely only because the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame honors basketball at all levels. So according to that criteria, D. Rose qualifies.

[@Phenom773]

I’m in grad school to be a physician associate and it’s wild to hear Rashad say medicine/doctors have gotten worse. Medicines a lot, but one thing for sure is that it’s gotten better with time. (From a pure science standpoint)

[@wilmysantos3768]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="76">1:16</a>:13 and then he drafted Tyrese Halliburton 🤦‍♂️ he’s chatting

[@DCThaFashionGuru]

Mccants the last person to be speaking on somebody fashion.

[@noodles6281]

Favorite Rose highlights were the double pump pass and the ankle breaker on Andre Miller

[@juggjugmeech4607]

ROSE DEFINITELY HALL OF FAME 💯

[@lightsoutdso]

Those Mighty Ducks ❄ & Bonds 🔥 jerseys×fits are 💎 s

[@Og6ix3]

Bet $ Lexi don't know how to cook 💀

[@mrcdvs]

I’m crying😂😂😂

[@Heatedboy211]

At all 😂😂😂

[@carbon.the.christ5626]

Ill do the cooking ,and btw fuck Caitlyn😅

[@smokeabaguhthat5443]

Facts!!😂😂

[@jalenroddey1419]

She make a mean spaghetti 😂😂😂😂

[@JohnvelinoCheron]

Rashad talkin bout class, when he be wearin fake Jordans is Thanos level diabolical

[@loo5n]

That’s the point, does ant man wanna be a nigga like rashaad or a nigga like Mike and bron

[@alricopietersen281]

😂😅

[@DELHEHELL]

His fits 😭

[@derrickwilson957]

Lol ayy man that's his brand

[@spellitwith2gs]

? How you know

[@AverageTrackRat]

Haha that commercial with whats her name & the accent was cute as hell. Can't even lie

[@GWC77]

HEAR ME OUT CHAT is it just me or Rashad & Lexi be vibing highkey 🤔

[@jaquanclendenning68]

He be smacking that he don't even wanna argue with Lexi 😂😂😂😂

[@alexthomas748]

Gil peep it.

[@xthaking]

1:11:37 confirms it when she asks, "oh now you wanna celebrate your birthday?" Probably had something planned for him, and he said nah lol gil looking at lexi and B laughing to the side lol they know whats going on lol

[@carlielasapmontana]

Them looks she was giving him at 1:11:53 to like 1:12:12, I thought it was just me 😭

[@hippieseven5582]

Nah

[@legendarytees4953]

Just getting started 😂😂😂

[@abshirkahiye3734]

DRose played a long time and put up really good stats. People forget because they are enamoured with his peak and potential. Even AFTER the injuries he was still more athletic than 80% of the league. Not a HOFer tho.

[@BigAcapella]

Big facts my g

[@charminglamar]

Y’all got to get Club 520 on the show. B. Hen and Cemetery Larry gone have me weak

[@jonpoon3896]

You know that kid in class that didn’t do the required reading who’s debating hard to make it seemed like he read it? That’s Rashad

[@lawrencebutler2951]

Look at Miss Leggsie Brown….❤👌🏾

[@rocboientertainment]

The Derrick Rose slander is out this world. He is a hall of famer. It’s not a debate.

[@penkima4923]

What makes it not being a debate? His case in the NBA is winning one MVP-award. That shouldn't necessarily be an automatic pass to the Hall.

[@GLBJ260]

"If aint no cat, take that shit back" 🤣

[@dez_chi_boi]

Man if weak ass Bill Walton made the Hall of Fame with 6,200 career points then D Rose is for sure a Hall of Famer foh 😤🌹

[@JustMAR510]

Wait for real? Naw that's crazy fam, I didn't even know that, 6k points In The HOF is NASTY WORK & Musty ENERGY....TF is goin on🤣

[@jonathancalderon8178]

It’s not the NBA HOF you idiots

[@flavanthensome]

Remember it's the BASKETBALL HoF, not the NBA HoF. You need to take into account his HS and College and post playing career.

[@joshwajohnson4799]

Josiah built like the main character from the cartoon recess 😂

[@devinmckinney7716]

Mccants be glazing over CC is crazy 😂

[@FergJ86]

The world is

[@jacobwatson1818]

And they should

[@ILLWill1027]

He love pale pussy women so it’s no surprise 😂

[@armstrongedo8505]

If it ain't white, it ain't right😢

[@Infinitefuture6]

It’s obvious she’s the reason why people are watching the wnba. Call it glaze but she’s the best thing the W has going

[@cheekybreeky4398]

Lexie them ankles ! 😂

[@LJExpedition]

I love TMAC, but if he can get into the HoF then ANYONE can get in. I wish the bball HoF was the same as the NFL criteria

[@hardwoodthought1213]

As overrated as McGrady was IMO (couldn’t win a single playoff series), I wouldn’t put him as the bottom line. Way worse players than Mac have gotten in. Mitch Ritchmond is the most obvious one. Not even a top 20 player of his era, zero notable individual awards or playoff success as a major factor

[@thomascrowniii1693]

FACTS

[@blackbeanburger3357]

a lot of players will get in who aint won shit like mitch richmond. t-mac will get in

[@thomascrowniii1693]

@@blackbeanburger3357 Mitch Richmond won a title in '02, was ROY, and unlike T-Mac, he knows what the 2nd round smells like.

[@ROCKBETHENAME]

@@hardwoodthought1213Mitch was a 6x All-Star, 5x all NBA, MVP, & scoring champ so let’s cut the shit

[@consistencyiskey84]

I may be biased because I love the gym but if I'm in the NBA if I see a gym I'm working out as much as I can

[@gwapodagreat1487]

Josiah kills me wit that “let’s keep things moving” 😭😭😭😭

[@slither012002]

Mad annoying sometimes !

[@hippieseven5582]

Literally his job

[@jamesbryant8227]

D. Rose was like a miniature VC 😈#NastyWork💥💥💥

[@JohnDoe-k5r]

As a Heat fan, D Rose scared the life out of me. I'd never seen anyone move that fast. Don't believe he's a hall of famer strictly because of the shortness of this prime. With that being said, Yao Ming is a hall of famer with under 500 games played.

[@Q__tube]

yao is more of a hall of famer for his international contribution to basketball not for his time in the NBA. Remember, its not the NBA hall of fame

[@LaughAlil]

But what Yao did for the game with china it’s different I’m with u but yea it’s iffy

[@chicagorogers3410]

Never forget LeBron averaged 37 ppg against Rashad

[@myron4178]

Lmmfaoooo right on time

[@flip856cmd2]

Lebron avg 37 against everybody what’s the point

[@evanlewis9402]

That ro sparks plug was cringe. Melli gonna infiltrate Gil's arena to get her clout up and the bag then dip on him smh.

[@lofromdabronx6959]

They always say players know more than fans..but it's not only 65 games you have to play a certain amount of minutes

[@kellendacosta2107]

Rashad with the we havent seen ky since and came back as cheetah man had me rolling

[@tmac9581]

Nobody on that couch going to the Hall of Fame an old girl is just a yes man she don’t really know what’s going on

[@spazzout6st]

He’s long n active is crazy work

[@hoppodagreatcut3788]

I hate when Lexie is on, no one can ever get their point across without being interrupted

[@kennyjohnson2259]

Her skin 🤩🤩🤩

[@Stephverry]

Ant doing spin move fade a way shots to imitate the post i love it it’s a move i’d try but he never had to bang. it’s a cross over finish or pick up dribble shot… which makes me wonder if ant can constantly get to his spot. looking #5 5-0utish .

[@Stephverry]

niggas can’t pull up at the freethrow

[@usctro2121]

I agree. Perception is everything. Act like a pro .bring back the game day suits . Antman is still a little ass boy!

[@mckyitaylor26]

Pills Arena spazzed today

[@trentonchaney6558]

Rashaad is my confidence level lol

[@Darthramp]

CCs gonna work stupid hard this off season! She’s gonna go CRAZY next year!

[@craigb213]

Derrick rose almost ended the heatles and boston on his own

[@chadlewis1963]

🧢

[@sheenyoldham826]

Big cap Bron beat him every year in Mami you fool

[@craigb213]

@@sheenyoldham826 that's why it says "almost" had Rose not gotten hurt and developed that team with Jimmy they would def have at least 1 chip

[@truthonly-]

Everybody is a GM at home 😂😂😂

[@airs2011]

Ant wore that same fit when he got drafted that's just who he is

[@PhillW5250]

McCants was talking that talk as it pertained to injury prevention. These new players don’t lift and they are soft. That’s why they stay hurt compared to guys who played in an extremely harder era

[@Zee-fr6bz]

Mccants it’s frustratingly stupid

[@Ginga]

Glad someone else said it. Love this podcast but his ability to torpedo a discussion or draw a debate out with just moronic takes is actually jarring.

[@bvaldez21]

Was hoping they brought up the eyepoke on CC

[@rocboientertainment]

Bro saying ja morant would have been competition is insane. D Rose had different speed, strength, and hang time cut it out.

[@penkima4923]

Ja had better hangtime than Rose as rookies.

[@RainbowBandana]

Bro Drose even after injury only need 2 steps from the half court line to get to the basketball noooooo joke

[@GetOnlineVon]

That commercial bruh😭😭😭😭😭😭

[@Vonsta512]

Rashad got ZERO business talking about anybody’s fit…

[@rafaelramirez83carpenter]

Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂McCants stopped😂😂😂😂

[@GLBJ260]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="66">1:06</a>:16 the most unnecessary undertaker bell ever 🤣🤣

[@malcolmbenjamin6687]

Rashad just proved he isn't a hooper by saying he would duck Kobe at 25%

[@goodiegoodiegumdrops]

If any hooper played kobe at 25% and felt accomplished when they won....means they're a weak hooper.

[@HateBeinAlive]

Who cares he won a national championship and made it to the nba and still getting paid bags to talk sports. Think he cares someone on the internet says he not a hooper. You ain't trying to guard him

[@jaybanks4789]

Drose was 2010-2011 mvp not 2009

[@RainbowBandana]

Pill-bert Areans😅

[@livefromthemotherland]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2690">44:50</a> they did that to KD in the warriors raptors series allegedly. So I guess it depends on the franchise

[@ZA-greedy]

I hate mccants just because

[@FergJ86]

My wife was wondering why I threw my water bottle at the wall today after mccants start yapping nonsense. I be trying to defend this man everyday but damn bro 😂😂

[@thakiddx]

someone said Josiah looked like Bobby Hill awhile back.

[@paulsamson24]

Lexie looks much better with less makeup and eyelashes 💯

[@savyy.j2618]

She wasn’t suppose to mention the ring losses 😂😂

[@SlimeballTv11]

If they saying in perversely videos that t mac a hall of famer d rose should be one too he did way more than t mac

[@cantguardhim9927]

Why do people keep saying butler carried the heat to the finals? In the bubble, dragic was their leading scorer going to the finals (first 3 rounds) while bam was their best player in that Celtics series. Not to mention, butler was the 4th leading scorer in one of those series. Butler went crazy in the finals against lakers (which butler deserves credit for) where dragic and bam were hurt. In their last finals run, he only had a great series against the bucks then in conference finals… Caleb Martin should’ve been finals mvp. When they got to the finals, butler played terrible. The role players, coaching and culture of the heat was the biggest factor.

[@thomascrowniii1693]

Horrible take. Throughout all four rounds of the 2020 playoffs, Butler was the heats leading scorer, in totality. In 2020 Jimmy Butler led them in scoring in the Milwaukee series, averaged one point less than Bam in the Conference Finals WHILE also guarding the other teams best player, which Dragic didn't do in any round of the playoffs. So when you consider BOTH ends of the floor Jimmy Butler carried the Heat to the Finals and then went toe to toe with Lebron.

[@cantguardhim9927]

@@thomascrowniii1693you just proved my point, you said butler was their leading scorer in “totality” which is misleading since people didn’t actually watch the series or know the context. He had the most total points cuz dragic got hurt and missed games in the finals… if dragic or bam don’t miss games in the finals then they would’ve easily had the most total points. Butler only had it in the finals. On the way to the finals (first 3 rounds)… dragic was the leading ppg scorer. Which is why the whole “butler carried the heat narrative” is dumb cuz it wasn’t even close to the case for 75% of that playoffs.

[@thomascrowniii1693]

@@cantguardhim9927 And you just proved my point because you just said that Dragic and Bam missed games and they STILL got to the Finals because Jimmy Butler didn't miss games. And you conveniently left out that Butler ALSO guarded the other teams best scorer, while Dragic was playing no defense when he did play. So the guy who plays EVERY game and plays on BOTH sides of the floor obviously carried the team to the Finals because he's out there every night effecting the game on both ends.

[@PennyDisciple]

​@@thomascrowniii1693💯

[@cantguardhim9927]

⁠​⁠@@thomascrowniii1693are you even reading? Bam and dragic missed games IN THE FINALS… Not going TO THE FINALS. You proved my point again that people didn’t watch the series or the playoffs… you literally just lied, the Miami heat led the league in zone defense and played the most zone defense in the league in the playoffs which means guys didn’t guard a man, they played team defense. Not to mention, heat play switch everything defense so even if butler does guard the best player… there’s a high chance he got switched off due to scheme. Bam was their most important defender by a good margin. Also, you said “totality” which means total points. Butler got the most total points cuz bam and dragic got hurt in the finals which caused them to miss games… for 75% of the playoffs, dragic and bam were out scoring butler by a good margin. So butler did NOT carry that team at all.