The Failure of Pokémon Brilliant Diamond Shining Pearl

[@sarasaland4709]

The worst part is that we love Pokémon and just want it to improve. But people just assume we’re haters or entitled just because we ask for a franchise that makes so much money to try harder. When the Let’s Go games are the best games to come out in about 5 years, that’s just depressing.

[@delphoxxthevulpera68]

Usually Pokemon fans deem Let's Go as among the worst mainline Pokemon games along with Sword and Shield.

[@daisanity6457]

I kinda enjoyed Let's Go, even though I wasn't into Pokemon Go, but I wouldn't say they're amazing, or horrible

[@thunderclanliveson1]

Bro I got excited when I think of let's go bc fuck it was so eASY but shit man it was honestly really good compared to everything else recently

[@awesomeaggron5236]

I think sun and moon or ultra sun and moon are great experiences on a 1st playthrough. And if you played only original or ultra dont bother with the other as there was not enough justifiable reason to have USUM exist in the first place even if it was just one third version its still worse than all previous 3rd games lol. The other problem with sun and moon is you can literally only play through it once as the 3 hours worth of cutscenes the game has are not interesting after playing through the game. If only there was a new game + option that allowed you to skip the cutscences?

[@TomboyGamerGal]

I think you mean Let's Go games are the "best" Pokemon games for the Switch. *I swear that GameFreak used the majority of their budget while working on Let's Go.*

[@drxavier1870]

BDSP beating Metroid Dread in sales in the first few weeks is the most undeserved feat Pokemon has ever obtained

[@KnucklesWTD]

It sold on hype and name i bet many regretted it

[@SuperPlacido1]

No no no no. You must be joking! How could a remaster of this quality beat Metroid Dread which really looks 100 times better?!

[@solarrrrrrrr]

Moment of bruh

[@sammydray5919]

@@SuperPlacido1 because unfortunately the Pokemon brand sells like crazy no matter the quality.

[@fmaster99]

I regret it

[@rokurojapan1978]

Im praying hard to never see an Unova remake at this point. Imagine a remake or "remaster" that is somehow worse than BDSP.... i shudders at the possibilities.

[@dragonmaster3030]

And if they did they're probably have to do 2 as well which will just make more people ask why don't other regions get sequels as well

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

@@dragonmaster3030 It might be worse, since there's little to improve on the original BW games.

[@dragonmaster3030]

@@alexkumaratunga2834 and if they want to be faithful, it's be cutting out the entire Dex like before leaving even more Pokemon behind

[@idrissb9742]

@@dragonmaster3030 bro you really actually think they would remake Black 2 and White 2?? You still dont get it ??

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

@@dragonmaster3030 I swear that's going to be the case. A remake for the original Unova games literally screams: " Unova fans want remakes, so we're giving it to them." For that region, just do a Legends kind of game please.

[@PhilFromSchool]

the fandom went from super excited for hoenn remakes, to super excited for sinnoh remakes.. to "please don't touch black and white"

[@BopKingForever]

Facts

[@ajflink]

I morbidly await the day that they do remake them in an even more rushed and broken state yet people still try to defend it.

[@ainzer2903]

If they do made shitty remaster but with remake label on it based on Unova, whenever people think Unova is shit, I will blame GF and of course I will pirate the game to see how worse it is compared to BDSP.

[@Zach014G]

​@k they literally skipped black and white maybe they knew they couldn't LOL

[@Zach014G]

@@ajflink they literally skipped black and white maybe they knew they couldn't LOL

[@QueenCloveroftheice]

We could have gotten Primal Dialga and Primal Palkia. RIP the possibilities

[@Vereid]

If ever there was a region for buffed Pokémon, you would think it would be the time and space gods yeah. And that isn’t even touching on Giratina or Arceus.

[@nellewoodruff6337]

I know PMD's primal dialga was a mistranslation, but it still would've been cool.

[@aqua6166]

but why? they're not weaken or anything unlike groudon or kyogre so they don't need them and wouldn't make sense

[@Simply_resharkable]

Could still make them exist in legends arceus

[@solarrrrrrrr]

Fr Fr

[@dylans.1741]

You wanna know how "faithful" these games are? They actually kept in glitches and oversights from the original DS games, such as the ability Sticky Hold having no effect in the overworld. Why they would deliberately have the remakes retain detrimental glitches from the originals? I wish I knew.

[@captainnavigator6534]

Because they did the equivalent of google translating a phrase back and forth from english to japanese to the code of the ogs to get it to run on the switch, its actually hilarious whats going on behind the hood with these games .

[@dylans.1741]

@@captainnavigator6534 In other words, they literally reused 15-year-old lines of code from the DS just to have the game out by Christmas. They have effectively put a DS game on a Switch cartridge, hence why all of the same glitches are present. At least when they did this with Ocarina of Time 3D, the glitches were kept in because they weren't that bad, and because they benefited speedrunners. What's BSDP's excuse?

[@fizzlewick]

@@dylans.1741 so technically, it really is a remaster after all. They just swapped the assets

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@fizzlewick Pretty much. Another reason why I didn't purchase them. 😂

[@dylans.1741]

@@fizzlewick Essentially. Minus some QoL changes, this really is the same game from 15 years ago. It just has nicer graphics and music.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

*"Is having one button for traditional faithfulness more important than a logical convenient function?"* - Gireum Red

[@Blackmage456]

Literally makes so much sense and yet you'll still have ppl defend garbage decisions made by the devs.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@Blackmage456 And they have the audacity to say you're not a "true Pokémon fan" for not settling for less. 😂

[@BrianMagnan]

That’s kind of the reoccurring theme of these remakes lol. Faithfulness > function.

[@UnwantedGhost1]

@@BrianMagnan It shouldn't be. I don't pay more for less.

[@custom-r]

I just had Balan Wonderworld flashbacks reading that.

[@keeysOST]

People really need to understand that the people that validly criticize the game aren't saying they can't have fun with it. What confuses me is the fan's willingness to defend a product that could and should have been much more for the price it is.

[@rosec_rose6661]

60 dollars is a big sum of money You can't make a game lazy when the Price is high Platinum is cheap yet got better content and soul to it This game is just gacha chibi repaste of Pokemon DP If this was a faithful remake why adding fairy types? The were faithful with tm in remakes lol So this game is a game based on fountains of contradiction that being "faithful"

[@Blue-fg8vt]

I remember ones person excuse was people who crititzie the game are makeing them feel bad about buying it. That's called buyers remorse-

[@rosec_rose6661]

@@Blue-fg8vt that is not a way to silence ppl also tbh this guy bought bdsp and his anger over them has a point Also Everyone got opinions no one should be silenced not atlest here :(

[@227someguy]

I remember my older brother tried to counter this argument by using an inflation calculator (which is a good idea), but $40 in 2007 makes roughly $53, so we're still being ripped off.

[@deodrasshelios7957]

And what the 'critics' need to understand is that the Pokemon Company doesn't listen to KZbin comments or Poketubers who rant for 50 minutes, they listen to sales. So if you want the games to be better: STOP YOUR WHINGING AND STOP PURCHASING THE GAMES!

[@roaringlions7252]

Masuda: Let’s remake it faithfully! Masuda: Keep the forced XP share.

[@positivea9111]

And make Jasmine wearing different clothing, and making the elite four broken (I do like that their a challenge but that’s not faithful.)

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

Really why, does masuda get turned on by forced xp share or Something?

[@k_Emptyhead]

@@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214 Maybe he uses an EXP Share replica as a fleshlight 🤣

[@drakke125Channel]

Sometimes I miss the old mechanic where you actually have to switch out pokemon to get exp. I have basically 2-3 teams worth of pokemon that are 30-40 right now and I only have 3 badges. Most of them were above 35 when I had 2 badges. I spent so much time in the grand underground cuz I was sick of the outside surface world.

[@KertaDrake]

I miss the proper hold item for it soooo bad. Just make multiple available in the game if they really want to enable all this training everything at once stuff! Like every other gym or for catching however many Pokemon from the Pokedex like how Oak's aide in Red/Blue would show up and give you stuff every now and then for doing a good job at catching Pokemon! When first exposed to this form of Exp. Share in Y, I'd trained up an ENTIRE team of level 100 Goodra before even getting past the halfway point in the game and I wasn't even trying to max them out as I'd been screwing around in the Battle Chateau while waiting on berries!

[@666blaziken]

The funny part is that in the manga, they actually had a plot line that involved the dex not having all the sinnoh pokemon. When Cyrus evolves magneton and nosepass into magnezone and probopass, when the protagonists couldn't defeat them because the dex gave no information about them. In the games, there's no reason for this restraint at all.

[@cameochris]

The manga is better than the games storylines

[@AlphaZeroX96]

The mangas aren't canon.

[@ClubPuguin]

Why does it matter if they're canon, they still did it better

[@lrkcm373]

It’s almost astonishing how the developers have managed to fail at something that they had previously succeeded at. It’s the gaming equivalent of changing your answer on test when you were right the first time, or retaking a test and somehow doing worst the second time around.

[@mistake1197]

But the test was open note and you were allowed to research your answers during the test. 💀

[@bluelobster246]

Exactly its like how did the director for these pokemon games get into this position because he clearly is doing the bare minimum for the company as a whole.

[@camrenwalenciak1613]

Like how the hell did they go from ORAS to this shit show

[@anchovy5325]

@@mistake1197 and you knew it was right the first time as well but you got it wrong on purpose

[@absolutezerochill2700]

Tbf.... the original Diamond and Pearl weren't great either

[@andrei4617]

“Its a diamond and pearl remake, not a platinum one” 🤡 imagine having to justify buying this crap with that statement. In denial over the fact that a ds game is better than a switch game in 2021.

[@heroicgangster9981]

I don't get why people would want to defend inferior versions anyways. In my opinion, defensive Pokemon fans are just deflecting criticisms out of spite lately for how Generation 4 remakes have been handled. To slam down on complaining Pokemon fans from SWSH, at the same time though they're just... defending BDSP which is just a mediocre remake choosing to remake a mediocre version of a game.

[@rocketeer9183]

it makes no sense. when these series come out with their third installments that becomes the definitive versions. hgss having crystal content set the expectation for what youre gonna get in a remake, and every remake suffers to some extant for not adding content from the third version. the delta episode in oras for example is cool, and oras is an interesting remake, but i think we all would have loved to deal with both teams + cutscenes of primal groundon n kyogre fighting to be broken up by a mega ray. and the delta ep doesnt make up for missing out on that. Zinnia is not cooler than the climax of emerald. the same way fighting a shadow giratina in a "strange place" is not cooler than going to the distortion world to fight giratina. or having a gym leader rematch at the battleground.

[@n3k0hgueimis]

I don't understand this argument, I don't want a remake to be a inferior version to the original version, I want it to be a superior version to the original, which fixes all the problems of it. Imagine if atlus announced a remake of Persona 3 or 4 but without the contents of their expanded versions (FES and Golden), I'm sure many fans would be pissed, but with Pokémon, I see a lot of people trying to justify

[@miguelgcgamer9878]

@@rocketeer9183 you have the sky pillar that’s shows the pass events between the weather trio and it’s amazing to listen with the drawing on the walls with the music and the ending of the delta episode is better than anything in the climax of emerald

[@rocketeer9183]

@@miguelgcgamer9878 missing the point. a revamped weather trio event for gen 6 on the 3ds would have been better than anything in the delta episode. delta episode is an abridged acknowledgement of emerald that lets you catch deoxys. take what you do in oras with the legendaries and imagine what running into kyogre and groudon, dealing with both teams, and incorporating that story into something compatible with x and y would be like. one space cutscene does not compare to that.

[@kjhgfdfghjkdrtyuiwewe]

The world record speedrun for this game is under 20 minutes. Idk how they made a game more broken than the originals. Not so faithful >:(

[@sephikong8323]

Holy shit the scene is already this far into it ? The fact we've already passed the 20 minute mark not even a month in is hilarious, I am sure the games have the potential to rival the gen 1 games at this point

[@remcrimson2750]

A reminder that Dream's rigged speedrun wasn't under 20 minutes. The fact that a speedrun that used cheats on a game that has no story somehow takes more time then BDSP then you know something is wrong

[@sthui2866]

because, ilca, i guess.

[@melvin4484]

@@sephikong8323 check out small ants video on Pokémon brilliant diamond and shining Pearl speed runs. He shows how broken the game is

[@satyamSaha]

@@melvin4484 well technically he showed how broken the game was. They patched it and removed the menu glitch that allowed cloning pokemon and a large chunk of the speedrunning stuff which sucks imo. Edit: a new menu glitch has been found making cloning now possible in 1.1.2

[@somebloke9067]

I owe ORAS a massive apology after this game

[@markkart]

if we traded the battle frontier for an actually good game in ORAS, then by God we won. absolutely cant say the same about this.

[@ibstummyhurt8057]

@@markkart ORAS IS the best remake, it just gets bogged down by x and y eziness and no Battle frontier.

[@a.x.x8184]

@@Karma13243HgSs is ass idk how people keep saying they’re the best remakes there ugly chibis, mediocre music, trash starters, no story, no Orginal professor (it’s oak again), a evil team with no leader, and the TRASH Level scaling. Only good thing Johto has is The rival & Going back to another region 💀 Yeah Oras is 💯 the best remake. Actually 3D, Has megas, you can fly over Hoenn, music slaps, amazing starters and story ect. The only genuine complaint is no battle frontier that’s it. Gen 3 remakes are the best thus far.

[@Zuo__]

​@@a.x.x8184actually. The only thing going for hgss was what you mentioned and the amount of legendaries you could catch apart from that is really not good and I for the life of me don't understand why people keep proping it up. Not to mention it's just kinda boring

[@AGZhark]

You all do. Everyone who has an issue with the 3DS-era games.

[@JinxeBlaq]

I don’t know why, but of all things, them removing Berries dance animation was the most egregious change- It’s like they removed a massive chunk from his character by doing that.

[@luckyinky7849]

Now Barry is just a guy, they should've kept the animations from platinum instead of the awkward pose from dp

[@castform7]

25:13 This hurts for me because I love seeing reimaginings to old characters instead of them just wearing the same. Pryce and Morty actually look like leaders of their type in the remakes. Wally looks more distinguished from your average trainer. Brawly looked more like the "dude bro" surfer his character was associated with. Archie and Maxie feel more like threats. The Rocket exects are actually characters now. They got so much free waifu and husbando bait out of it like with Steven, LGPE Lorelei and Flannery. Why couldn't we have that stuff for Sinnoh. Gen 4 has some great character design, don't get me wrong but I would've liked to see something different. Have Roark and Byron in better mining gear. Have Barry in a jacket reminiscent to his father. Gardenia could be a bit messier with leaves in her hair and stuff from playing with nature. Give Fantina a new spooky dress. Crasher Wake is literally a blank canvas for new designs. There's so much you can do her but no. You had to take out one of my favourite aspects of remakes because "it wouldn't be faithful".

[@slipperysnake3822]

Imagine Wake with a gyarados or floatzel cape

[@cellP8]

F :(

[@djdrizzy9139]

Looks like the ancestors are the "redesigns" if you think about it.

[@rogue1248]

omg preaach!

[@inconemay1441]

@@djdrizzy9139explains why they choose to render the sinnoh characters in 3d too

[@Green90759]

"Ahhh, it's the 25th anniversary of Pokemon. What's the best way to remind fans about how Gen 1 the greatest region? I know, how about Diamond and Pearl less effort faithful remake since the pokedex has 151."- Junichi Masuda

[@shpaghettishpaghetti6219]

Happy days!

[@knowledgeableonion8852]

Ok but gen 1 is not the best region it's good but... Not the best

[@pkmnproductions7461]

@@knowledgeableonion8852 to game freak and Japan it is lmao.

[@Kavycks]

Are you trying to say that you want more Kanto remakes like are you actually fucking serious with me right now

[@positivea9111]

@@Kavycks Well they added Kanto 6 times (Yes I counted Gold and Silver, Hg and Ss, and Pokémon yellow) So GF really love Kanto.

[@pc-u-18]

Pearl was my first Pokémon game but I’ve gotten so used to Platinum that I don’t even remember things like the Pokétch having one button, the Galactic building in Eterna City being a normal apartment building, and the ghost gym being a math quiz.

[@positivea9111]

Why the ghost gym have math puzzles. Is the ghost gym leader used to be a math teacher or maybe GF we’re running out of ideas.

[@Blue-fg8vt]

They actually removed from the originals as in diamond and pearl, you could at least place down furniture make the base your own, lay down traps too mess with other players and play capture the flag being able too expand your base if you capture Enough flags

[@rajendrameena958]

Ya that was my favourite feature in og dp I had a lot fun with the traps with my friends back in the day and those Dumb asses were too lazy to code it in

[@franciscoleonelramirezhuic5463]

And kept the removed moves from gen 8, no pursuit along other moves that were good, guess the remakes are not so faithful.

[@jimthekidd]

@@franciscoleonelramirezhuic5463 the pursuit meta was over-rated.

[@jimthekidd]

I miss it but at least the underground made it they could have easily cut it because lack of features the DS had that the switch doesn't. Also keep in mind the switch can't have those features because it wasn't designed to do them

[@Blue-fg8vt]

@@jimthekidd No it definitely could of. I'd argue that stuff like the pokewatch and the mineing minigame we're alot harder too implement besides traps that require the mic as all the others could of been replaced with stick controls. And honestly the underground lost alot of value as all that's really left is mineing for items, with the addition of carverns that Pokemon mostly could of been added too the above world, useing their plantuim locations.

[@wrongthinkwallace1528]

The worst part about the gen 4 "faithful remakes" is that they removed the gambling. . .

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

and added Houndoom and Magmar? why is no one focusing on that?

[@GameFreakSucks]

@@theamazingspooderman2697adding a few pokemon doesn’t fix anything at all. The contests and secret bases got butchered, no battle frontier, several pokemon locked behind post game, gym leaders and E4 still use their crappy teams from DP

[@Omnislash7]

You hit the nail on the head. It’s just a shame that people are so busy having their nostalgia goggles strapped onto their heads to see just how soulless and corporate that BDSP is especially compared to the previous remakes. And what’s worse is that any actual productive criticism will be ignored by the Pokémon Company because, in spite of those, they still made a ton of money from them. After all, in their book, why actually put in effort if they’re gonna be rewarded even at their most lazy?

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Exactly. It's the majority consumers that needs to change in order to make Game Freak change for the better of the once great franchise.

[@Jes1919]

It’s so sad that Diamond and Pearl were the first video games I ever played and the crapped on us for $60. I feel robbed that the gen 1-3 fans got great remakes and we got absolute crap. It was enjoyable to play but it was identical to the originals. I knew where the trainers and everything. When I played the original games, I always had to look up stuff and watch walkthroughs through help.

[@Mojavekight17]

True

[@SidVacant69]

Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl : The Definitive Edition

[@shaun2k560]

You mens people are just having fun with the games? What an absolutely horrible thing

[@bandicootsauce4569]

The powers-that-be didn't HAVE to omit the Platinum content from BDSP. They CHOSE to, and that says so much about how those powers-that-be view Pokémon as a franchise these days.

[@mascott1157]

I think they’re going to add it as DLC later on…

[@isaiahhoward9076]

Technically they gave you “platinum” themed box designs

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@mascott1157 I'm from mid 2023: These games literally had no DLC.

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@bandicootsauce4569 They got rid of the good things from Platinum (which is especially bad considering Diamond and Pearl sucked and were terrible, and Platinum really upgraded those games into being good) and intentionally kept the WORST things from the Switch games, like Always-on Exp. Share and Affection "Ash Ketchum cheating" bullshit. They literally couldn't even keep Looker in the games or keep TMs infinite-use. They had to really TRY to make these games this dogshit awful.

[@cameochris]

​@@MarvinPowell1They are still full price as well 😂

[@kira3286]

Tbh the saddest thing about this is that this game got awesome sales, it's basically the best selling Pokémon game on its first week after release. And that's just plain sad. We as a fandom haven't learned a thing. There's no reason for GF, ILCA and the Pokémon company to change or improve. Any type of game they release will immediately be best-selling, so why put any effort???

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

People like to settle more for less

[@mr.preston1632]

Because it’s pokémon

[@Astromontana]

It's because despite all the bashing, people still bought them, especially KZbinrs under the umbrella saying "it's their job". I doubt it will completely destroy your revenue stream if you skip buying a bad pokemon game. It's going to keep being like this until people stop buying this crap. Bashing the game don't mean anything if you go around and buy it anyways.

[@zjzr08]

Let's just say there's a lot, and I mean a LOT, of casual fans for Pokemon games, especially in online convos compared to other fandoms...no problem with that as they are the bulk of most fandoms anyway but other franchises at least try to balance fan and creator sensibilities but here they catered so much to fans that see Pokemon games as a nostalgia fix in-between their more dedicated fandoms IMO.

[@pwispa9532]

I feel like effort are put into the games, but TPCi can't miss a year because they're greedy idiots, so most recent games have been rushed

[@AniGaAG]

ORAS understood how to do the chibi-adjacent stylized art style. Even XY understood it. ... this game didn't.

[@dracodancer3262]

The fact that DP will never get a remake in style of the pass games honestly just hurts me.

[@pkmnproductions7461]

Same for us BW Fans 😭

[@lillrice27]

@@pkmnproductions7461 you guys shouldn’t even be complaining yet, at least you guys weren’t hyped up just to see an ugly ass trailer, at least not yet 😭

[@pkmnproductions7461]

@@lillrice27 i am complaining bc Gen 5 remakes are inevitable & got hinted in Legends arceus thanks to The amount of Unova love it got like the new forms being gen 5, Clays ancestor and Ingo is here. I feel like they're in the making rn & may be released Next year after Gen 9 😔

[@nightshroud9671]

I was so hyped since I played ORAS. But that died when it turns out BDSP goofted up and missed the point

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@lillrice27But now it's impending.

[@gamewisdomgaming]

Sometimes I wonder Why I had expectations for these games at all

[@pedroribeirodesousa9152]

I’ll be honest the moment I saw the reveal for this remake I had no expectations for it whatsoever it was obvious what they were going for .Arceus however has my expectations

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

I don’t anymore since the dexcut.

[@idrissb9742]

Cus ur ignorant ;)

[@UnwantedGhost1]

Because it's been over a decade since your nostalgic times to see it reimagined today. But unfortunately, reality is often disappointing.

[@cellP8]

since USUM, my love for Pokemon died and the revival of that love wont come so soon I occasionally play Emerald, Platinum, Heart Gold and Black 2... This dark timeline will never end T_T

[@compatriot852]

We all wanted an actual remake and what GF commissioned was essentially a glorified remaster that looks better suited for the Wii or even 3DS

[@hantra17]

Try with a mobile.

[@CiderVG]

People forget that the DS could handle 3D games It looks like an upscaled DS g- _oh wait_

[@hantra17]

@Furrocious Foxette Have you never played RDR2? ACV? SC2? Skyrim? Okay, maybe not Skyrim. It does not so much look better as it just is better. But then again, Pokemon is nowhere near AAA games. It's big budget game, not so small amounts that it is closer to 0 than 1%. Pokemon, unlike other games, can throw 1 billion after a game, and still earn a fortune. And still not use 1%. But as long as fans eat their fill in their shit, why should they?

[@maximilianodiaz4151]

@Furrocious Foxette even fucking halo 1 looks better that this shit. What are you talking about?

[@hantra17]

@Furrocious Foxette Can you even read what you write yourself? It's not art, it's not even a good game. It's ugly as hell. They could not even decide on a style. What drug are you on? Maybe you should cut down, you obviously can not think straight.😄

[@_M_4]

The undercooked, moldy burger sold more and was easier to produce. That's why they remade it.

[@roxtechs]

Well if their is one positive BDSP is it making people appreciate ORAS more.

[@fruitloops2058]

Yeah, if no battle frontier and easiness meant the overall game was good we lucked out.

[@thetraveler2224]

​@fruitloops2058 That doesn't mean the game was bad. The added things like the delta episode, latios/latias flying, etc. The may have removed things but they added cool things that people loved.

[@TheRicardobtc]

No worries. The game was made in Unity, so it shouldn't take long for people who really care about the game's quality to make a Rom Hack to fix this clusterfuck.

[@Hia_SuS]

It's really depressing to look at these games butchering my childhood. The worst part is ILCA made a beautiful looking game and put a lot of effort into the presentation, since the code was literally copy/pasted from DP. If Masuda wasn't the director, these games could have been great

[@rosec_rose6661]

Gen 9 Masuda making new pokemon that are distant relatives of best region best generation pokemon Bulbasaur getting his cousin who is a frog and emerged from genone sequencing lol

[@Hia_SuS]

@@rosec_rose6661 pokemon do tend share certain design traits and similar designs in general lmao

[@rosec_rose6661]

@@Hia_SuS lol I know but Masuda would definitely make gen 9 Pokemon a parody of kantonian pokemans because best generation best gen lol

[@espurrseyes42]

HAH! Beautiful game. Good joke.

[@jdg6192]

@@rosec_rose6661 yeah cope more genwunner

[@just_dondre3376]

Seeing this makes me really hope they NEVER touch black and white and black and white 2 I don't want a remastering of those anymore cause there just gonna remove world tournament and replace it with a shitty battle tower

[@jaretco6423]

U mean " remaking ". Not remastered. Big difference. But yes. I agree.

[@afifmajid8754]

You don't have to buy a remake or a remaster. But why wish less content for other fans who would like to see them. This mindset just doesn't make any sense

[@johnapple6646]

at this point we'd be lucky if there even IS a Battle tower

[@markkart]

Here is some stuff not to expect: PWT (they might keep the battle subway because its a less fun version) No BW2 stuff (honestly i dont know how they would do this because bw2 are sequels with region changes and team is slightly different) HMS (thats good atleast) Dream world (obviously) Entree forest pokestar studios Here is some stuff to expect: Some Stupid battle tower which sucks with probably no shiny gible/dratini reward instead of the pwt being able to catch all the legendaries because we don't have enough already, somehow being incorporated through hidden grottos if they are there. what idiots at the hq think that being able to catch all the legendaries makes the game good. the base unova pokedex from bw and not the bw2 dex no national dex no pokemon home compatiblity character customsation hopefully no mega evolution A shitty rendition of the BW style music called ds sounds like with bdsp NO SEASONS with the seasonal music since they did not shiny lock arceus or darkrai maybe victini shiny will finally be available? TLDR: KEEP YOUR EXPECTATIONS VERY LOW

[@jamesbrincefield9879]

People need to stop blaming COVID for problems that have been around for years. The Pokémon Company/Gamefreak was lazy long before COVID existed. I’m sure it didn’t help, but these games would have been garbage whether a pandemic happened or not.

[@jaretco6423]

Agreed.

[@TomboyGamerGal]

Reminds me of a apolotard that used that as a copout on Savij's community discussion tab 2 days ago.

[@thegrayinthefield8764]

@Furrocious Foxette Stop being disingenuous.

[@kerm7657]

@Furrocious Foxette oh god the furry has TDS its even worse than we thought COOOOOOPPPEEEEEE

[@skullsama4434]

@Furrocious Foxette this has to be bait there’s no way. Also that’s not... even close to what he said? He’s saying the game would have sucked, pandemic or not, how is that denying the pandemic? Troglodyte. Unless you’re baiting, which in that case, you got me.

[@kyleprocaccino4794]

“Or the possible soft lock in Candice’s gym that is faithfully recreated” You sir earned a sub. This video was hilarious.

[@positivea9111]

Yeah because ILCA copy the glitch code from the original diamonds and Pearl.

[@InfopeAlese]

@@positivea9111 ILCA:Sorry, but You teel us to remake it! We will do it like in DP! But....Can we get rid of this soft lock?! Masuda:NO, I WANT TO BE FAITHFULLY! KEEP ALL! EVEN SOFT LOCKS!

[@KertaDrake]

If these people get at Black and White, I'm sure they would somehow break that mechanic where if you accidentally KO the box-art dragon, it would respawn elsewhere for you to catch again... Or somehow make an even worse version of Dream World as the only means to get useful berries.

[@des4929]

@@positivea9111 oh yea they literally just copy pasted the code over because there is code about you being able to encounter certain Pokémon if there is a GBA cartridge inserted into the GBA slot you know that backwards compatibility that the switch has

[@theheadlessjackfrost679]

BDSP has to be the safest remake ever made. Not much improvements from the original DP and remakes shouldn't be one to one exact like the original. It's like that pointless Psycho remake made decades after the original black and white Psycho.

[@GireumRed]

I was actually gonna mention that movie but I thought it would be too obscure for Pokemon stans

[@KertaDrake]

Wouldn't even say remake at this point. More like slightly-botched port.

[@Skhyruler]

26:15 It's disapointing to know that in Hyrule Warriors launched in 2014 on the Wii U we had the Dark Sorceress Cia summouning 3 gates through different time eras of old games in Hyrule Kingdom. And 7 years later on Switch we didn't have Giratina in the main story or Dialga and Palkia creating gates to other regions iconic places. We could have a Unova gate to N Castle or Galar gate to Kikenham Palace (I guess) and more.

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

These games are shit for “remakes,” when they still lack platinum content, having the same problems from the OG Diamond and Pearl, dexcut to where it’s Gens 1 to 4 and not the other 4 gens too like Gen 5 to Gen 8, glitches and bugs, soft locks, lazy animations in general like the reused ones, permanent exp share, and no megas. “Faithful,” more like laziness and it looks like a crap remaster with less effort put into.

[@mr.preston1632]

Diamond and Pearl is a Cheese Pizza that was half-baked and meh, while Platinum is a peperoni pizza that fixed the problems of the Cheese Pizza, that’s what this game is, a Fancy Cheese Pizza that tastes meh, all style, no substance, it’s a shame that Persona 5 will eventually be buried by new Pokémon games as it’s a much better game

[@dognut7289]

They just made "faithful" remakes because it was the cheapest possible way to do it. TPCi is clearly putting all the effort and budget on Legends Arceus

[@kevinumana3582]

That's if the all the budget is being put in there

[@xenonthegigachadhedgehog8868]

What did you expect?

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

@@kevinumana3582 thats if there is budget beign put in there

[@MarvinPowell1]

@@dognut7289 Coming from the future, I'm here to tell you there is no "budget" in Legends Arceus. Those games are empty and overrated trash.

[@WheelStart]

"Faithful" is an excuse for their laziness

[@KnucklesWTD]

It’s not even 100% faithful like the forced exp share so it’s just a bs excuse lol

[@bryankusoo]

@@KnucklesWTD y’all so focusing on the exp share my team got destroyed

[@genexican9214]

@Furrocious Foxette This some weakass bait lmao

[@yusufalmuktada9835]

Your not gold poor silver is poor cuz people like gold cuz it's shinier then water cubby hands kid

[@theamazingspooderman2697]

laziness when the battle backgrounds look far better than the og games

[@I3oo1ve]

After ORAS gave us Primal Forms I was really hoping we would've seen the Origin forms for Dialga and Palkia.

[@SuperPlacido1]

Also for Arceus!

[@JayRedGear]

In one of the games, Diagla kinda had a Primal form but it was more like it losing control over its powers.

[@sammydray5919]

@@JayRedGear mystery dungeon explorers of time/darkness/sky. Good times. Shame that spin off series is dead and gone

[@JayRedGear]

@@sammydray5919 The spinpff games added so much flare compared to the main games

[@Klonoahedgehog]

Well Legends gives those Two Origin forms. ...Their fucking ugly.

[@BlackStarrTurnsHeel]

1. I love this guy's reviews they're too funny. 2.Gen 5 remakes are going to break my heart.

[@Loldino897]

Gen 5 (Specifically white 2) are my favourite pokemon games I hope at this rate they don't get remade

[@BlackStarrTurnsHeel]

@@Loldino897 I feel Gen 5 as a whole was extremely ambitious. Although Gen's 1-5 were far from perfect I wish the Pokemon Company would consider taking elements of those generations that worked and keep them for the upcoming generations. A well thought out story would be a good start.

[@ShapZack]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKmupY2jhsyrqKs He's a plaigirist.

[@theringmaster6434]

BOO!!!!

[@HiddenAccount]

Break* however I completely agree with you! Hopefully it'll go good but I've not got high hopes

[@TheBooBomber609]

I realized something terrifying about the possibility of a Gen 5 remake: they could easily make it another Let’s Go game and restrict the player to only the Unovan 156 even in the postgame.

[@chibi3593]

oh dear Arceus no!

[@bathandbigbitches]

the whole point of the unova region is to restrict the player to the new unovan dex…

[@TheBooBomber609]

@@bathandbigbitches Only for the main story, tho. The postgame and the sequel gave access to national dex Pokémon.

[@bathandbigbitches]

@@TheBooBomber609 you can get national dex mons in bdsp😭😭😭

[@TheBooBomber609]

@Furrocious Foxette I know full well what goes into the process of making a video game. And not only is Pokémon a simple, non-intensive game in general, but Pokémon is the highest grossing franchise in the world. There are _zero_ excuses for the games to be as barebones, unpolished, and lazy as they have consistently been recently. Especially not when games that were made decades ago with fewer resources available still hold up better than their modern-day iterations.

[@SpaceDetectiveTravis]

Was planning to get BDSP but couldn't get it right away & instead found a rom hack called Renegade Platinum. After playing that & hearing the reviews about BDSP I decided to continue playing Renegade Platinum

[@TuesdaysArt]

You can also try Following Platinum if you want Following Pokémon! They haven't found a way to combine the two mods yet, but that would be an amazing game

[@AsianRailgun]

Well I have good news for y'all. Some rom hackers are working on putting Renegade Platinum into BDSP; the wild Pokemon changes at the very least are already finished. Speaking of which go play Renegade Platinum already, it makes Platinum look like an extremely half-assed game in comparison and brings the game up to a challenging modern standard. That rom hack fixes just about all of the issues I had with gen 4, which the remakes kinda failed to do.

[@djdrizzy9139]

Renegade Platinum is awesome! Can't wait to see it on Switch. I may even mod it just for that.

[@connormainwaring8866]

I would pay twice the price of bdsp for that game.

[@n3k0hgueimis]

I'm curious about this project, even more after seeing many people considering Renegade Platinum the definitive DPPT edition, do you have a link?

[@jaretco6423]

Yeah. Renagade Platinum is certainly the definitive Sinnoh adventure.

[@franciscoleonelramirezhuic5463]

Will give it a try then.

[@kuroblakka]

These games should've been called "Pokémon Diamond and Pearl but in 3D" instead, because it's just that.

[@ElectricalFlare7201]

Yeah these games are truly lazy. Many "fans" are putting them on a pedestal and getting angry at anyone who dares to give reasonable criticism(which honestly shows how senseless a lot of fans in this community are). There's a difference between being toxic and critiquing $60 games that are barley any different from their already incomplete predecessors. Its truly a shame that the most asked for remakes in the franchise got shafted so hard.

[@KnucklesWTD]

@Furrocious Foxette you are a clown, you can easily get that many hours from basically any other rpg. This game is outdated trash compared to SMTV for example.

[@manhcuongtran3658]

@Furrocious Foxette Dude just stop! Any ps5 games could easily clap pokemon games in switch generation let alone these shitty "faithful remakes". The argument on "this is just a dp remake, not platinum" is just plain awful, take these games and compare them to prior remake games. It did not add any things in terms of story, the mechanics of the same generation they released on, just a copy-paste of the old games and they even copy the glitches too? You are telling him to join you and be a sheep like you? Fans like you are the ones that made gamefreak lower their efforts and still got away with 60$ in the end. Pkm games are now released annually because fans like you let them take 60$ out of your pocket so easily and what return for the money you have spent are the rushed games.

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

@Furrocious Foxette ive got way more hours on radical red and its completely free, and i wouldnt pay a single penny for a remake based on an objectively worse version of gen 4

[@wheatleythebrick2276]

also youre privileged asf if you think anyone can whip up 60 bucks for a 20 year old game, let alone people who live in poor countries where these games are less available and more expensive

[@brotbrotsen1100]

@@KnucklesWTD preach, SMT 5 destroyed pokemon in terms of gameplay, story, world design, challenge and graphics. Pokemon by now just sells because they managed to Form a armada of blind fanboys similar to call of duty and fifa.

[@DigitalVanquish]

The games are fine, but that's the problem: they're just fine. Platinum is still better, and these remakes could have been Platinum and more. The missed opportunity is disappointing, above all else.

[@Superluigi881]

They probably sold well too. The mediocrity train will carry on. Even if legends does end up good I still think it'll be an outlier and not the norm. This is the new norm. The bare minimum.

[@Gandalf-fe3gw]

@@Superluigi881 It's not even the bare minimum anymore. The bare minimum would be to bring back all the content from the original game. They didn't even do that...

[@4evermilkman]

Not everyone wants something new. Some people want the original game on a new console, with more availability. That's this. You can still go play the originals if you want.

[@DigitalVanquish]

@@4evermilkman You can still go and play the original Diamond and Pearl if you want. Some people want the original Platinum on a new console, with more availability. See, the argument doesn't work.

[@zjzr08]

@@4evermilkman Pokemon Remakes had an expectation that they feel like games that belong on that generation, and mostly to fill in someone's National Dex, which was mostly the case in Gen 3, and to see what does it feel like if that region was made in this gen.

[@nawonhee5288]

I feel like this remake should’ve happened in 7th generation, so we can see all pokemon. Plus, the bottom touch screen.

[@blackwhirlwind1245]

Agree, it would’ve been better on 3DS with 2 screens, they could’ve done it after USUM.

[@TuesdaysArt]

It would have broken the Gen ×2 pattern but idc because giving me carpal tunnel by forcing me to use the stick thingies for the poffin game and putting the poketch at the corner of the screen is a crime

[@pkmnproductions7461]

No im OK with sinnoh remade in Gen 8 bc if not it'd have been Unova 🤣

[@TobyTopF]

48:06 A summary and remaking his statement: “What if we remake Red and Blue but expand the existing Kanto region with new areas? What if we remake Gold and Silver but try a ton of batshit content and make the game look moody and beautiful as hell? What if we remake Ruby and Sapphire and add lore to Hoenn and make it as lush as possible?” What if we remake Diamond and Pearl, keep the bad stuff, remove the fixes from Platinum and add nothing new?

[@MarvinPowell1]

To be fair, they added new stuff, all of which makes the games literally worse than the original Diamond and Pearl. Namely, the mandatory Exp. Share, Affection, getting rid of HMs, making the Poketch even harder to use, Grand Underground (which sucks by the way,) and uber-tier Elite Four unbalanced with the rest of the game and wild Pokemon grinding areas.

[@daizys2328]

@@MarvinPowell1they practically gave the elite 4 items, movesets and abilities that made them competitive teams!

[@GameFreakSucks]

@@daizys2328too bad the rest of the game is piss easy due to forced exp share and automatic affection

[@thetraveler2224]

ORAS established the mega timeline.

[@kiwiclear]

Pokemon doesnt care about older fans anymore cause now they care about kids

[@goGothitaLOL]

and searching for new fans every gen since Gen 6

[@k_Emptyhead]

Pretty disgusting tactic, but it's how franchises work, apparently and sadly.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@goGothitaLOL Who'll easily and always settle for less. Instead of fighting for more.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@Kyle_Emptyhead It's more depressing that the merchandise makes up the vast majority of the earnings. So even if the games sold poorly, they still wouldn't care.

[@maozedong8370]

They tried with Black and White to target the older, true fans but no one cared. They are a business after all and they will never make that level of effort again.

[@awesomeaggron5236]

The fact that most points while playing this game i just thought about playing platinum says a lot about the undercooked mess that is BDSP. I thought it was fine but honestly they probably shouldn't had bothered.

[@awesomeaggron5236]

@Furrocious Foxette I bought the game and enjoyed my time with it for what it was and was meant to be. I just cant help but think hey this was fixed in the quote on quote enhanced version platinum. Unlike previous remakes where the original 2 versions were solid on their own, diamond and pearl has a lot of problems when it comes to pacing in the midgame, annoying unwarranted level jump from volkner to cynthia, and worst of all the cut dex which they sort of fixed with BDSP by putting all of these mons in the underground. Unfortunately they sort of screwed this up as some of the items to evolve said pokemon are only available in the postgame. How hard would it had been to move them to their platinum location? Platinum fixed so much and while BDSP are excellent diamond and pearl remakes taking steps back on things already fixed IMO is incredibly dumb and I will never understand it. The arguement of these being DP remakes doesmt fully justify the absence of so many platinum elements as HGSS and ORAS share and sometimes even improved third version mechanics. So IMO this is a pretty sad excuse for the absence of all these platinum specific things missing from the so called definitive experience. At the end of the day I am a fan of the series like you and I only bring these constructive criticisms to attention as I want the franchise I love and grew up with to improve and leave this semi stagnant phase that it seems to have been in since USUM IMO.

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

Quick question: Let's say in an alternate timeline where DP/BDSP didn't exist, and only Platinum did. What would everyone's opinion of Sinnoh be at that point?

[@yaboidarkrai1920]

I will always be salty that hoenn got megas primal etc and sinnoh got nothing it makes no sense and masuda knows it

[@OneRandomVictory]

Diamond and Pearl are pretty subpar but Platinum is a top 3 game in the franchise. Platinum is the definitive experience and when people say they like Sinnoh they are talking about Platinum mostly. If Platinum was gen 4's only game, it would be considered one of if not the best region.

[@nellewoodruff6337]

@@yaboidarkrai1920 Exactly. My bias for megas aside, Sycamore legit studied under Rowan, the professor who discovered the energy pokemon release when they evolved. It frustrates that basic lore was ignored.

[@alexkumaratunga2834]

@@OneRandomVictory My thoughts exactly. People think Sinnoh's overrated because of Diamond and Pearl, when in reality they love it because of Platinum. Even Sinnoh fans admit that Diamond and Pearl were bland.

[@yaboidarkrai1920]

@@nellewoodruff6337 tho tbf the time in gen 6 may be the time that sinnoh progressed alot and might still be open for a potential sequel hell legends arceus could also expand on it and build something up for a future sequel after the events of platinum tho that's very wishful thinking

[@LeMelleKH2]

They hella finessed us putting platinum mons in the hideouts but restricting their evolution items to postgames

[@AsianRailgun]

Gliscor moment.

[@cellP8]

that legit triggers me

[@LeMelleKH2]

@@AsianRailgun grrr, i waited for my friend to beat it so he could trade a fang

[@riotkitty]

That’s what the originals did too…even Platinum…still boggles my mind to this very day.

[@LeMelleKH2]

@@riotkitty Naw, in Platinum the items were available in the main game. It was just an issue in DP, so bizzare of them not to use the Platinum item layout

[@Desmond_Video_Discussions]

"if a movie messes up and leaves a microphone or a camera visible in a scene, they edit it out in late releases, then years later they remake the movie, should they go out of their add back the microphone or camera?" people who say yes are the ones saying its a dp remake not a platinum remake

[@RigidRat]

Me: Pal Park was designed for the DS. Jerry: The Poketch was designed for the DS. Me: I... damn! The man has a point!

[@blameitondanny]

That's what I thought. When the game was first announced, I immidiately thougt "how did they're going to remade the poketch in switch?".

[@kennethbill6013]

They stopped caring around X and Y. The creators came forth and admitted it. They think no one has time for all those special features.

[@goGothitaLOL]

The best thing about these games is the fact they are made in Unity, which means these games are gonna be easy to mod sooner or later, the BDSP modding scene will go WILD the long awaited FRLG replacement is finally here -although FRLG can mostly stand on it's own, unlike BDSP-

[@genevievemeuniere4047]

As I read the game files are not even compressed what makes it super easy to play around with them. And the modding scene is already workign on it. My biggest guess is modders wille ven make it work really well on pc in the future so you have a litteral pc game version this Switch game.

[@kerm7657]

@Furrocious Foxette cope and Seeth you whinny brat :) There’s no legal presented for any of this being illegal and even if it was gamefreak wouldn’t waste there time on something that petty Also nothing about piracy was ever mentioned we’re did you get that from?

[@kerm7657]

@Furrocious Foxette ah “channel created 1 week ago” yup this ain’t sus

[@RayoMcQueen95990]

@Furrocious Foxette who the fuck cares? People are doing THEIR job done right. Why do you keep trying to defend this company? Nostalgia or what?

[@astracrits4633]

@Furrocious Foxette Oh yeah, because Nintendo is gonna give a shit about ONE MANCHILD whining over the phone, LMAOOOOOOO~~ also don't think I can't see you liking your own comment ;)

[@nonesuchriverinc]

I think game freak was planning traditional DP remakes like what we got with oras. However they felt they could do more and the project morphed into legends arceus. But they knew the fans would throw a tantrum if they didn’t get their Diamond and Pearl remakes so at the last minute they hired Ilca at the last minute to develop these games.

[@nintennerdz6939]

Yeah adding to this idea by the concept art for bdsp looks like sword and shield graphics

[@chadzard4]

They should have just made BDSP like ORAS and then saved Legends for gen 9. Idk why they would try to cram the two games a few months apart. It's like they are on drugs or something. GF should have been making BDSP not another company that has never made a Pokemon game before.

[@TheDracolordian]

That’s exactly how I’m feeling

[@fghazi2233]

I suspect it’s worse. That they started the full fledged remakes, weren’t technically able to keep going, panicked because of deadlines, and so the project was split into a more manageable “Legends” game with an emptier world, and the remake quickly delegated and marketed as “faithful”.

[@FazeParticles]

That’s best case scenario but it’s no excuse for weak remakes in the form of BDSP. ORAS and HGSS were great remakes overall, very enjoyable and entertaining.

[@M3rtyville]

The lightning strike scene is better than in the originals honestly. At least something happens as it hits the ground. The problem I have with the remakes is, it doesn't feel like other remakes that were the old games with more content and the most recent Pokemon, movesets and mechanics. Thanks to dexit that means: we can't use every Pokemon at their fullest potential and it doesn't feel like Sinnoh with the Generation 8 take. It just feels like the DS games but with funko pops that has follow Pokemon and Fairy Typing. Literally something you can experience from a DS romhack. No Dynamax. No past Gen 4 Pokemon. No Megas. No Z-Moves. Movesets and moves in general are restricted since I doubt any Pokemon have Pursuit or Return in these games. It was tolerable for Let's Go since it was a Hybrid Game that tried to convert Go Players into Mainline game players and Kanto already had a good remake. MerryBytes made a good retrospective of DPPt.

[@chencg179]

For me its just the fact they ignored platinum where it mattered and just gave us outfits and some QOL that wasn’t even faithful. They could have used the improvements in platinum as building blocks to improve the diamond and Pearl which were average even at their time. I had doubts when they kept iterating it was going to be faithful. I get legends arceus is going to be the definitive sinnoh experience but it’s going to be very different sinnoh experience which is no excuse to not make an effort with the gen 4 sinnoh remakes BDSP. Sorry to ramble. They’re really good. But having grew up with platinum I felt like something was always missing

[@richard35791]

no need for dynamax and z moves, too broken, mega is safe option, mega lucario would be lit

[@xlbthedemigod5662]

For me, they didn’t allow Gen 5-8 in the remakes

[@krissjames7276]

The fact that you didn't mind the Chibi art style or the Forced EXP Share (both of which are easily dealbreakers for me), yet STILL hated this game, really makes it sink in just how awful these games are.

[@drakke125Channel]

I would rather play Pokemon Blue than these remakes...it hurts to play these remakes. Platinum version was glorious.... Whoever did ORAS, please remake Gen 4 or something....my heart and soul is dying...

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Masuda is still seen by many as smart even though he laterally 'lives so long he became the Villain'. He is now a dumb man who has lost touch with not only the fanbase but literally the touch with Reality SO HARD, it is no wonder people can produce hour-long Essays about his Mess-Ups. Essays that OF COURSE Masuda is not aware of and will never ever watch, cause taking Criticism is FOR THE WEAK.

[@Witchcraft77]

Tbh I don't want them to remake black and white bc I don't want to see ghetsis in a chibi style anyways congrats for 15.2 subs keep up :)

[@phntom7312]

Despite the unsuccessful Run of the Oras Video, im very thankfull you made it. Gonna watch this now to the End as well.

[@masterjoda999]

In defense of Volkner's Octillery, it actually makes sense. He's an electric gym leader, so of course every hot shot challenger is gonna rock up with a ground type, then bam, water type so challenger has to be able to adjust for that instead of just sweeping with a dugtrio or something.

[@ArbitraryOutcome]

Honestly thinking we should have more Gym Leaders/E4 running related coverage Pokemon instead of just monotype.

[@GameFreakSucks]

He could’ve used a Lanturn instead

[@edgeanescence4908]

i think the Funniest thing regarding the outfit stuff is that when you brought up cyrus wearing more casual clothes so its not obvious he's the villain, it reminded me how that was like. literally one of the only things the main anime did right for him. the rest of galactic was kind of butchered, but the idea of the boss hiding his identity in public was probably the best thing they did. how did the main anime in all its trashiness do something right that bdsp couldnt

[@EnzoZambrotti]

I really don’t want them to remake Unova, BW2 are my favorite games of all time, which are either gonna be ignored or ruined :(

[@chibi3593]

I feel the same way

[@k_Emptyhead]

Me too. The thought of a Chibi Ghetsis is haunting me

[@nightshroud9671]

Same Gen V is when I truly started playing the core Pokemon games

[@Gandalf-fe3gw]

One issue that bugs in me in particular next to lack of innovation or Platinum content, is that the remakes aren't even superior to DP in every way.. The underground base decoration, CTF mini game, traps, sphere growing and burying AND item trading with other players are completely gone in the remake. The contests are super simplified and now dumbed down to super simple rhythm games only lasting one minute, the Mulchs from the original are gone, once again simplifying a feature unnecessarily. You can't water all the plants next to each other in a row anymore though, so another convenience feature gone Also, the forced exp share and especially the awful affection system suck any challenge out of the game. On top of that, as you said, the story cutscenes are mostly ruined by the chibi artstyle, getting rid of even any hint of tension. The controls are much clunkier and worse than in the original as described in the video, there are two very useful Poketch apps missing and the controls are once again worse. Multi battles with NPCs in the Battle Tower seem to be gone as well. The GTS isn't in the game anymore either. The online battle timer is again down to 20 minutes as in SwSh, only now it's INVISIBLE. So yeah, while the remakes do certainly have several advantages over the original DP, they are still inferior to even DP in several regards in my opinion. And obviously, we don't even need to talk about Platinum. They didn't innovate where it was necessary, but even excluded features from the original. It's just incredible how they fucked up this remake.

[@zjzr08]

Even the Mulch are gone, but that's one of the best things added to Berry Growing...

[@cyberbitterdragon]

Are you for real? BDSP is much, MUCH better than both Platinum and the original games, holy fuck. The game actually runs at a decent speed, it's very visually pleasing and has ton of content. The new Underground is much better than CtF minigame nobody even played lol "This game is bad, there is no Mulch" LOL

[@Gandalf-fe3gw]

@@cyberbitterdragon Platinum runs at a totally acceptable speed as well in my opinion. And where exactly do you see the "tons of content" ^^? Compared to Diamond and Pearl, the only significant content that has even been added are rematches, Ramanas Park and the Hideaways in the underground. And some DP content has been cut. The underground lacks any multiplayer features beyond mining together and collecting the Digletts. That's pretty bad, considering the underground used to be very much a multiplayer feature in the original games. I never said that the game was bad because of the Mulchs, but I am definitely saying that the lack of Mulchs does contribute to the lackluster game. Why did they cut them from the game? They were useful and could have even been...you know...improved and expanded, and not completely taken out of the game. Why did they cut over 60 moves that were in the original games and way, way more if we consider Gens 5-8? Why did they cut the battle items from Gen 5-8 and made many movesets considerably worse because of the lack of move tutors or TRs. Why do they use the significantly worse DP designs and not the obviously better ones from Platinum, if not completely new or fresh ones like the other remakes? There are soooo many of these small and bigger issues with the remake.

[@cyberbitterdragon]

@@Gandalf-fe3gw Most of these aren't that big, 99% of player won't even realize that. Grand Undergound alone doubles the playtime. I'm 78 hours in and still at 60% of what the game has to offer.

[@zjzr08]

@@cyberbitterdragon If you are a resetter who just mostly focuses on the main story, then sure. But Pokemon side-areas are seen as important seeing it enriches the Pokemon world outside battles. And 78 hours being 68%? Pfft, that's amateur hours hehe.

[@arulove68]

Tbh the second I started the game and saw Barry running on water, I knew this game was going to be a joke

[@arulove68]

The overworld remixes are pretty good though

[@ResidentTarantino]

At least the Hoopa rings in ORAS were placed in areas that somewhat befit their respective Pokémon, even recreating the layouts for the Sinnoh lake spirits. Like, you actually had to seek out these areas. Then gen 7 and onward was when the legendaries just got stuffed into holes. Like, I wished USUM could've at least made outcroppings/rooms that resembled the respective regions the legends resided in. But no, it was either generic cliff/cave/jungle/lake. If they're going to keep doing this, they should at least get better/befitting rooms

[@SpectroliteDS2400]

I've been a fan of Pokémon since Gen 3, I've played nearly every main series game including both regular AND 3rd versions and even numerous side games such as the Orre Series, Pokémon Channel, New Pokémon Snap, Mystery Dungeon, I even own a fucking Pokémon Mini. I though X/Y were decent if barebones, thought SM were alright, and actually *defended* US/UM. Sw/Sh tested my patience, but i couldn't consider them outright *bad* games, just mediocre. What i'm trying to say is that I've always been optimistic for Pokémon throughout the years. But these games. These. Fucking. Games. They broke me, i'm finally done. When these games were first announced i was fucking *terrified* that they were just gonna copy paste D/P with a fresh new coat of paint, sucks to know i was right. I'm not gonna go on some long rant about what these games screwed up (and keep in mind i'm more of a gen 5 fan than a gen 4 fan), because you do it better than i ever could, and i'm not gonna claim to be the authority on this, cause i'm not. But what i AM gonna say is that if these games managed to break even the most tolerant of fans (that actually give enough of a shit to think critically about the games), then that should serve as an indicator that Pokémon's well and truly lost its spark. These games don't even deserve to be called 'Remasters', because that implies they actually did something to improve them. TL;DR: Fuck these games, i'm going to play platinum,

[@goGothitaLOL]

Also, whiling you can get most of the Gen 4 evos before post-game, you still *CAN'T* use Tangela, Porygon, Eevee nor Yanma before post-game -unless you're playing a egglocke- You also *CAN'T* evolve Rhydon, Gligar nor Dusclops before post-game, because there's no wild pokemon that have a chance it hold the Protector, Razor Fang, nor Reaper Cloth *not even wild Rhyhorns/Rhydons, Gligars, Duskulls/Dusclops*

[@ultmewtwo]

The evolve item for ground flying pokemon is in the victory road

[@awesomeaggron5236]

@@ultmewtwo no thats the razor claw for weavile gliscor needs a razor fang.

[@videogamephenomhd]

No doubt it, they ARE the worst possible remakes. Overworld chibi graphics doesn't make up for it. No Mega Evolutions. No species beyond the 4th generation available. Just about everything in the main storyline is exactly the same as the original Diamond and Pearl. It just comes to show how hyped everyone was for all this, only to see the results so down low.

[@GachaCartoonVideos]

Their's nothing special about bdsp their no macanics just like the Hoenn remakes

[@M3rtyville]

I just noticed that while Let's Go was heavily restricted, you could still use Alolan forms and Megas which you can't in the DP remakes. You only get Shaymin Sky, Arceus Fairy, Rotom forms and Giratina Origin. But no variation of other old Pokemon.

[@nightshroud9671]

I hated how Megas and Z-Moves were not included

[@darthdecidueye2141]

I’m glad I never played the original games, so I can kinda enjoy the “remakes”. I feel bad for all the fans who had to watch their childhood game get butchered and turned into a cheap cash grab

[@blameitondanny]

I grew up with Gen 3, I stay away from the original cause of how SLOW the game was. I am glad that we got ORAS instead of this dumpster fire 😂

[@darthdecidueye2141]

@@blameitondanny I know right

[@bandicootsauce4569]

@darthdecidueye Finally, someone outside of this game's target audience who actually gets it and doesn't just label all us Sinnoh veterans as "haters". Feels nice to get some validation for a change.

[@JasonGodwin69]

Does anyone realize how many Sinnoh flaws were fixed in Platinum? Only people willing to criticize the Pokemon Company for the limits forced on the company responsible for BDSP.

[@monthc]

The word "faithful" is ambiguous and this is deliberate. A truly faithful remake, in my opinion, rebuilds the game while answering the question "what would the original be like if it were first released on the current hardware instead of its original hardware?" Resident Evil 2 is a great example. Its skeleton is COMPLETELY different from the original, and yet it is very clearly faithful to the original. Demon's Souls is also a great example. Its skeleton is changed very little from the original unlike RE2, and it is also clearly faithful to the original. What does this mean? Pure mechanical "faithfulness" does not mean anything. There is more to games. Games are more than the sum of their parts and components. BDSP does *not* answer this question. The Switch hardware is demonstrably capable of more. It would have been less insulting for Nintendo to simply port Platinum version to the Switch with whatever changes would be required to integrate the second screen functions so they work on the Switch.

[@loturzelrestaurant]

Know Distant Kingdom?

[@eizzah8323]

minor compaint about the video : the theory that fantina is kalosian is based solely on the fact she speaks french on the english version. however she speaks english in all other versions, so it's more likely that she's like unovan or galarian even

[@veggsbacon1891]

Ya know, some neat ideas from Sun and Moon would be nice for the gen 4 remakes. Type: Null, Ultra Beasts, and yeah. Also more pokemon variety from all regions, that way Team Galactic can use pokemon like Elgyem, Orbettle, etc. But nah, "fAiThFul" used bugs and cats!...

[@lukas2.036]

It would be nice if they added "Sinnoh forms" from the other gen pkmn, evolutions from the next generations like sylveon, new gmax forms or mega evolutions, etc.

[@OneRandomVictory]

They did Sinnoh so dirty it's not even funny. The fanbase deserved better.

[@OneRandomVictory]

@Furrocious Foxette Oh no, I criticized your precious Pokemon Company, whatever will they do? People that will except any bullshit half baked product don't deserve to gatekeep who is a fan or not. If fans are complaining it is because they are dissatisfied. How about you do me a favor and call me back when these games are half as good as Platinum... a game released by the same company over 13 years ago.

[@OneRandomVictory]

@Furrocious Foxette Do you think I give a fuck how many copies they sell? I care about the quality of the games. You can shovel whatever overpriced mediocre games they make down your throat all you want to but I have higher standards. I don't want just a pokemon game, I want a GOOD pokemon game.

[@kerm7657]

@Furrocious Foxette there not a charity it’s US who own THEM nothing if they produce an objectively shitty product we are aloud to say it’s shit Also you bought a 15 year old ds game twice for $60 each damn you people love getting scammed Cope and seeth degenerate XD

[@OneRandomVictory]

@Furrocious Foxette Wow, projecting much.

[@Cam-ss9rb]

The faithfulness to D/P is the game's main and only real problem. It's such a frustrating and bad decision. If they'd remade Platinum faithfully instead, we'd all love it. It's not ILCA's fault, it's a flawed and stupid design choice probably forced by Masuada or TPC

[@anthk.4846]

If anything should be faithfully remade it’s that price tag.

[@adityawidarma3803]

You forgot that this game still need a HM Slave for TM Flash (Wayward Cave)

[@Galavantworks]

Coming from a long-time first generation fan (Fifth Genner, not Genwunner), it’s a long time issue that GF consistently has with its aging audience. GF really don’t listen to their fans expectations or input, they just retroactively go off of data from past game sales, popularity polls, so-on and call it day. Especially considering that D/P is one of the highest selling Pokémon games of all time, I find it silly that this time they didn’t want to experiment, when it didn’t stop them years ago with HG/SS. Hell I wouldn’t be surprised if Gen V never gets a remake considering how low Gen V Sold.

[@a.x.x8184]

Gen 5 sold low bc it came around the time most ppl fell out of pkmn, was introduced on DS when ppl expected it on the 3Ds and how Unova lasted 2 fucking years 2011-2012 which wasn’t enough time for people to enjoy and appreciate gen 5, and then you got the genwunners criticizing gen 5 mons.

[@Milo0610]

When u realized most of the pokemon games are pure garbage but gamefreak dont give a fck cuz people will still buy it.

[@pacoramon9468]

We all know they didn’t keep the chibi style for the Pokémon because it was cheaper to reuse the same 3DS models from 2013, like the last 9 games.

[@J_Pizzle4shizzle]

Barry has a level 26 starly in pastoria city , shit threw me off , I didn’t remember that in the originals

[@TaqSoto]

I am extremely terrified for Gen 5 remakes. My favorite region is about to get shit on.

[@MrArgy333]

The story ideas you had are actually amazing. Especially the one with dialga and Palkia sending you back to the Husui region. That would be a suburb! Legends arceus would be a direct sequel and would make actual sense!

[@jordanrichardson2367]

I’m scared about the Black and White remakes…I don’t even want them to touch it

[@bomberhood7234]

I agree 100% hopefully they’ll leave Gen 5 alone.

[@M3rtyville]

Gen 5 should not even get a remake but another sequel or a prequel

[@bomberhood7234]

@@M3rtyville I agree, I hope we see the original dragon before it separated into Reshiram and Zekrom.

[@ShadowMan64572]

No way...ONE button for the Poketch apps again? Why...just why?

[@deathechovii]

Instead of focusing on two games they should have focused on one good one. Enough milking with the two exclusive games.

[@Kavou]

It feels like at this point any shit Gamephreak will throw, the zombie fans will be like:"Oh nice! another new meal!" , they will procceed to eat that shit and even do Gamephreak's PTR for the game so they can defend why they watsed 60 dollars, again.

[@peterrealar2.067]

Lie. It isn't faithful. It's a recreation that pales to the original because THEY REMOVED MOVES.

[@Choccykituwu]

These "totally not remasters" stunk of trash the moment they were announced. The fact that anyone accepts these games in the state they're in is the worst part of this. Legends: Arceus better have a story that triumphs B/W and their sequels while ALSO improving various aspects of the core franchise's mechanics such as the slow battle flow and lazy, soulless animations to name a couple. Honestly, the most painful part of this as a Pokemon fan of 10+ years is the fact that I've admitted that Pokemon has basically died after X/Y, even if X/Y had some good ideas introduced. ORAS doesn't count as that's a great remake, Sun/Moon were better than X/Y by a small margin, I didn't play USUM because I heard they took away some of the good story stuff from the OG S/M games, namely the best parts of Lillie's character (unless I heard wrong, but I wouldn't doubt it), don't get me started on Sword and Shield... Like the old saying: "All good things must come to an end." and it's a damn shame for sure as this franchise had so much potential.

[@FaisLittleWhiteRaven]

Speaking as someone who played both Sun/Moon and USUM... It was sort of a trade off? Mostly negative in terms of plot but some heavy positive in terms of gameplay and a few other elements. Main negatives of USUM: Lillie's presense and story were slashed to ribbons (as USUM was an alternate universe plot, her mom was never 'basically a serial killer' levels of toxic and bonkers just... Didn't listen to her kids a lot and wanted to stop all the bad stuff all by herself while listening to Faba on how to do so. It... wasn't really conveyed very well), they forgot to reflect Lusamine's 'not a serial killerness' by updating her boss battle room (...it still had all the frozen pokemon in it), Gladion basically just kinda exits out of the plot in place of Lillie at the end of the game for no reason, and the 'potentially very interesting' Ultra Recon Squad basically do nothing of note except for existing and proving both the existance of aliens and the utter lack of @#$#s the people of the pokemon world give them. The positives: A few more added locations, changed Totem pokemon (only some and personal preference on which is better but most were pretty neat), Mantine Surf is WAY more fun than it has any right to be, Hau gets slightly more character development and is a considerably better trainer, there's a lot of little side quests with storylines I felt added a LOT of personality and flavor to the game (favs for me being the WTF encounter of a bunch of cute mons and a girl in a hotel room that scream SCATTER the moment you enter and never appear again, and the granny with a Marchamp visiting her hunband's grave together and her realizing the Marchamp clearly has survivors guilt over her husband dying in a car accident and reassuring the mon she still loves it and that her husband would have never blamed it for failing to protect him). There's some resolution to the 'Mann/Lusamine's husband just chilling on the Poke'Islands without his memories' thing though I never managed to trigger it myself... Ultra Necrosma was really REALLY gorgeous in the big fight (a tad too glass cannon terror as a boss perhaps but I think that was the first time I ever really raved about a legendary encounter just because of how visually striking with that music it was), and... There was the Rainbow Rocket postgame thingy which was well. I found the battles very underwhelming and the concept was kinda out fanfic-y but seeing 'good Lusamine' and Guzma's friendship and team up against the baddies, as well as Ghesis's threatening to actually murder Lillie was pretty neat~ Oh and there's one random NPC mon you can give pats, cuddles and play with per route. It's not a huge thing but hell if I left any area without that one NPC mon absolutely being my best friend. Overall I both loved and hated USUM. Loved the mechanics changes, side quests and some minor plot thingies (what if good lusamine? Or aliens/alien humans in pokemon world?)... Oh and I love Poipole and other introduced Ultra Beasts way way too much, but the main plot baring Ultra Necrozma itself was a barely word changed mess, they scraped the Looker Anabel post game stuff for basically no reason and why Rainbow Rocket did bring up some fun interactions, it was frankly boring as hell. If the plot of Sun/Moon was blended with the side quests, minigames and had the Ultraspace stuff as post game (including made better Lusamine) then gen 7 would have been an utterly unforgettable gen despite the usual pokemon shortcomings but in retrospect it's kind of easy to see where they cut out the 'probably originally intended post game' and stuck it onto another game as the 'alt universe sequel' and called it a day.... *Cries since having played both I can say that that combination equals my fav region in all of Pokemon but alas they are not the same game and replayablity with just one vs the other is so much lower than in most prior pokemon games for me...* And I'm not touching the others that came after any time soon (will stick to fan games and enjoy the new mons there instead).

[@LunaticTrumpet]

After these “remakes” and this video I don’t want a Gen 5 remake.

[@majamystic256]

I don't need a Gen 9 or a Gen 5 remake when theres romhacks

[@sarasaland4709]

We already know why they remade Diamond and Pearl. Two games that are the same. Two times the profit.

[@thksai1684]

Honestly, this isn't even a remake. Its just a remaster. All the others were intended to be implemented in the generation, but sadly not this one, which explains why it was sourced out to another company. Arceus better be amazing

[@kerm7657]

@Furrocious Foxette …..I mean idk what point your trying to make they were the only Pokémon games in 2021 not counting spin offs

[@rohankhatri3226]

Thank you Gireum for this video! I was waiting for this. I am a Gen Sixer, having said that, I honestly never want a Kalos remake if Sinnoh remakes are of this sort. I'm sad for Gen Fivers. I'm gonna play Platinum again for the 27th time I guess, and it will be worth my time and actually very rewarding. Once again, thank you!

[@AsianRailgun]

I really think Pokemon needs to stop remaking past games as pure nostalgia bait. They need to innovate; Legends Arceus is a step in the right direction in terms of changing the formula. As a gen 5'er, sure Unova remakes would be nice but I'd rather they do something entirely new, like what LA is doing with Sinnoh.

[@zjzr08]

@@AsianRailgun While Legends Arceus could be an interesting experiment I'm not exactly sure if it should be a base direction for the main games - could try to incorporate new elements from that to an upcoming mainline game but not the battles or way of captures.

[@Andrew-ww1hz]

I mean, Kalos was unfinished to begin with, where a sequel akin to B2 W2 was planned, so they could easily make a better remake

[@a.x.x8184]

Kalos-Galar don’t need remakes Y’all games already 3D if anything Gamefreak would move onto Sequels by then so expect an XY2.

[@ajflink]

Fun Fact: The only difference between the Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl cartridges is a boolean variable determining if it is the Brilliant Diamond or Shining Pearl version. Do I really need to explain how lazy or detrimental from a business standpoint that is?

[@AidanRampair]

You mean, worst remakes SO FAR...

[@kamiwriterleonardo6345]

At this point I don't want a Gen5 remake. Just give us Black and White 3, or not give us anything at all. Keep Gen 5 great.

[@jaretco6423]

Or make an Legend sequel to Unova.

[@M3rtyville]

letting modern Game Freak make a sequel to BW2 can only end up bad...