"Girls Have It Easier On Twitch" -The Truth

🔴 Today I address the common misconception that it is "way easier to grow on twitch if you are a girl". I want to share some points about this topic and hope it helps change some minds.
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[@xTwoShoes]

I hope I handled this topic correctly and it was infomative. I want to thank all the creators who sent their stories to me. I'm sorry that I could not include all of them as, sadly, there was quite a few, Thanks for watching everyone.

[@Blastnet_DanHarris]

Great video, the misogyny women has to deal with daily online is absurd and appalling.

[@labhuman9633]

you told the wrong thing, people like the body not the contents on twitch

[@kelvynward7867]

Dude, she's not gonna sleep with you for simping like this. When Twitch did a 'women's day' event, 'Just Chatting' was the top category and half of the female 'streamers' were doing stuff like putting on a movie and staring at it, or just being a cam girl without the nudity. That's why female streamers grow in popularity. It's a male majority audience and thus there's a large number of simps. You're overthinking these things.

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

Amazing video! Thank you for being supportive of Female creators! Also that transaction thing you mentioned at around 11:00 I've seen my friends experience regularly. Rich men think they can buy their way into anything. especially since some of these creators are often poor or living paycheck to paycheck, they know they have power because they're their biggest supporter. it's truly disgusting.

[@xTwoShoes]

Yes! Thank you! It really is

[@joyfelody]

Brilliant video. I watch a reasonable selection of male and female streamers on Twitch, and I can totally relate to your video. Thank you for bringing attention to this.

[@JesOnFire7]

Thank you for speaking up for those who can't or don't feel comfortable doing it themselves (it's a sad world that we live in!) This video is fabulous, and you handled it really well I think!

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks so much!

[@kozukigray2933]

One thing Id like to not is that Twitch is dominated by men because it grew as a gaming platform and nothing else, but I do hear your argument about It not being as easy as we think for females

[@livvylag]

women don’t take as much space in gaming because we get harassed and sexualized until we quit, before we have time to get serious about gaming and start channels about it etc. gaming being a male dominated industry is very sad but also true. this is why it’s so important to take every opportunity you can (especially as a man) to stop the harassment and allow women to play just like you do- unbothered and enjoying the game. (this is in no way a negative response to your comment i just went on a rant because your comment inspired me lol)

[@Pubcrawler644]

i think there are some genuinely broken people out there. I stream with a mate who happens to be female. I've had to ban four guys for being inappropriate to her, telling her they love her, trying to add on discord, begging for private chats. She's not even a streamer, she's just having fun on my channel, no camera. I wonder if its a mental health issue and these poor souls are just latching on in the most inappropriate way? I've told a couple they should seek counselling Thankfully we haven't had anything like the examples you gave from the creators

[@xTwoShoes]

Thats awful. It should just not be the case. So so wild. Hope your friend is ok!

[@Pubcrawler644]

@@xTwoShoes thanks. Thankfully she still joins in on some streams. I think in future Im just gonna block immediately

[@livvylag]

what you can do is set up chat filters (twitch has an auto mod function that works most of the time) and maybe get some help with moderating chat from a friend or a viewer. but it is unfortunately impossible to dodge all these encounters and i feel sorry for the friend who’s being harassed like that. i know what it feels like, i really hope she still feels just as valid in the gaming space as she did before all that, because stuff like that can make you doubt yourself quite a lot. have a good one!

[@Pubcrawler644]

@@livvylag thanks Liv. It calmed down a bit but I haven't streamed in a while now. I just don't get it. Just watch and enjoy

[@wolfiris666]

Thank you for this video! this is so important and I wish more people would think this way and they could see how much work we actually put into our streams and THAT is why we are growing instead of "being a girl makes it easy". I stream mainly Valorant and the ammount of times I get toxic comments over the fact of me being a woman in game VC just makes me want not to give comms even when I go competitive mode for the sake of having a more peaceful stream and mindset. Its annoying.

[@xTwoShoes]

Sorry to hear that:( People suck sometimes Glad you liked the video!

[@kelvynward7867]

But they do have it easy. I can't name a single female streamer who is actually good at the games then play or have personality. I define 'good' as top 1% of a player base in ranked. The vast majority of a female streamer'a regular viewers are simps.

[@wolfiris666]

@kelvynward7867 well I do know some immortal female players in valorant and I do know maybe some ascendant players who are super nice and do have a personality. But to have a regular viewer base you don't necessarily need to be good at games, just funny or a nice personality same goes by guys. Frting glitter for example is one of them. She isnt bad in the game itself but also not the best, but she is quite entertaining to watch and has lots of regular viewers. The fact that you think that women aren't good in games or that someone doesn't have a personality, isn't funny AND isn't good in any games can still be successful is just 100% wrong and based on some jealousy deep down bro.

[@kelvynward7867]

@@wolfiris666 I don't play Valorant. Did this individual get there solo? The reality is the majority of women play multiplayer games like this for attention because they know that there's a lot of desperate guys out there. If I get a girl on my team in LoL with a feminine title in her name like Miss, Princess, Queen, etc then I dodge the game without hesitating. I know it's a loss if I stay unless her simp duo is with her. I don't think it's jealousy at all, it's just being a female attracts more people to play with and no real talent or personality is required. If the top female streamers were men, there's no way they'd have an audience.

[@wolfiris666]

@@kelvynward7867 if you dodge simply because of that, then the problem isn't on the girl itself. Having the mindset that someone isn't good in LoL or wtv games just for being a girl... ? cmon man. The top twitch streamers are actually men, and you should consider your mindset on this topic cuz its very close minded.

[@paramixzeph]

Great video as usual. I’m glad something like this exists and hope it reaches those who need to hear it most. I’ve had so many unacceptable experiences in the short time I’ve been creating content, so many boundaries crossed. Sexual harassment, inappropriate chat messages and DMs, and even had a guy recently pretending to be a woman to get closer to me (was later exposed and banned). It sucks questioning every interaction and worrying about safety all the time. But yes, thanks for making this video! ❤️

[@xTwoShoes]

That is so awful. I am so sorry! I'm glad you liked the video and yes, hopefully those who need to see it do!

[@bigfunkypickle]

Watched a couple of your vids tonight, thanks for being a good human!

[@SpookyDeer]

Dan, thanks for using your platform to talk about this. It's refreshing to see someone talking about this so explicitly and shining a light on how just truly horrific of a time female or female presenting creators experience just existing on the internet. As a cis-gendered white guy I am fortunate that I don't have to deal with consistent harassment when I'm online but I have had occasional new and returning viewers express a lot of the views you're trying to counter in the video that I've swiftly had to squash. All in all, you handled this topic with a great deal of sensitivity and I think that there is value in this regard to a cis guy talking about this since, unfortunately, the people that hold these views are more likely to listen to another guy.

[@xTwoShoes]

Well said mate and thanks for the reassurance :)

[@Tamaranth404]

Thank you so much for covering this topic! I'm a very small female streamer - more like a micro-streamer, really 😂 (only started about 7 months ago) - with just under 200 followers and 5-10 average viewers at best. Even as tiny as I am though, I've had to ban 3 separate people just in the last week or so for making inappropriate sexual comments in my chat, and I just recently resorted to adding "OnlyFans" to my list of banned terms. 😑 And fwiw I stream mostly RPGs, generally dressed in "lazy-but-idgaf chic" style lol (baggy t-shirt, no makeup or anything). I can only imagine how much worse it must be for women who actually put any effort into looking nice, or stream in more combat-based or stereotypically "guy" genres. Anyway, thank you for helping set the record straight! 💙

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks so much for sharing and thank you for the kind words!

[@livvylag]

i used to stream (taking a break) two years ago when i was 15 and i’ve always been into doing eyeliner and my style back then was ‘girly’ and i was playing first person shooters. men, knowing i was 15, harassed me every single stream, making comments about my body, and the worst part is earlier today i went to look at my clips, and the only two were me taking my hoodie off with a tank top under. i didn’t say anything, nothing was happening in that moment, they purposely clipped a CHILD taking a hoodie off. they had quite a few views too. so now i’m watching safety tips before starting my streaming again.

[@shadowdrumm3r]

Great video as always I think you handled the topic really well it's horrible what women have to go through so sorry to the women who had to go through these things

[@xTwoShoes]

Absolutely! Thank you:)

[@Jessica49tv_]

this needs more views I love the way you spoke about this! Very educated ! Love it!

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks so much!

[@maiaotaku]

As a girl on twitch thank you for making this video

[@xTwoShoes]

Thank you!

[@mxnorthwest]

Well said! The amount of toxicity and bully gatekeeping that broadcasters who aren't white cis-men have to deal with, regularly, is so disgusting. Getting out of growth/metrics jealousy and comparison headspace to have some empathy for different streamer experiences is so important!

[@xTwoShoes]

So well said mate. 100% agree

[@zebrapleco7895]

Cis men??? You mean normal default assignment men. Get wrekt with your therapy language

[@thernfoster5360]

"White cis-men", brain dead people like you are ruining society

[@giosundance5643]

Bro what? I’m Latino and never seen this happened to me

[@VChong1991]

My male friends only get less that 10 views on twitch unless they are a very very relevant and popular twitch streamer or looks handsome af that panders towards the women audience. Women, you dont even need to have their face on camera. Their voice alone brings in all the simps to the yard. Yeah highest earnings are men but if you put 30 random men and 30 random women as streamers what is the ratios between the audience that would follow between these 60 random streamers? Id say at least a 20-40 or a 10-50.

[@JerBearGaming90]

Speaking as someone who knows a lot of female streamers in the "retro" community on twitch. Women having it easier is an illusion. But because of a lot of news videos on youtube. I can see why people would think women have it easier, when you see a lot of (insert female streamer here) made $100,000 in one month on twitch.

[@pennydox]

I think this is very well said. I'm female and have many female friends who are streamers/social media icons/etc and it's really wild how frequent sexual harassment is for them. As an amateur streamer, I definitely understand now that the crowds I want to connect with are definitely not the kinds of massive crowds that just want to stare at beautiful women. I think with the boom of vtubers and giftubers, it has helped ease the sexual harassment for some. Using an animated gif, I feel a lot safer and thankfully, have not been sexually harassed. Just like you said, I still have to put in the effort to be a good streamer regardless of the way I look.

[@xTwoShoes]

It’s so shitty that it’s like that. But thank you for watching and the mind words. I hope your streams are doing great!

[@faithfulknightfonvratha9871]

Ya but there are a lot of female streamers who have purposely sexualize themselves why streaming, by doing sexual acts/suggestions, words, and the way they dress to get attention. So it does make it hard in other females who literally are just streaming

[@pennydox]

​@@faithfulknightfonvratha9871 Those streamers definitely sets a bar for other streamers who want to do the same, but sometimes falling far below that expectation can be good too. I notice people who come to my asmr streams just want a break from watching dolled up women making lip smacking noises, and just need a night where someone is just making plastic models or paper crafts instead.

[@scriptyshake]

I kinda consider myself a nerd and I mostly do art streams as well as games sometimes, and I want people to like my streams for my talent and personality and being funny and original, not because im a woman. A lot of female streamers seem to want to capitalize on the 'theyre pretty' part of their stream and I really don't want that. Also I feel like there's an even bigger stress that comes from people expecting you to be beautiful because you're a woman. Like I really don't care about my looks I care about the content I make and I want to make people laugh and be interested. Honestly the experiences other female streamers have had in their chat kinda makes me scared to put my face on screen. But I also love how interactive the stream gets when theres a webcam, such as showing your emotions and doing more irl stuff. I could go the Ranboo route with the sunglasses and mask but also I'd like to find my own thing.

[@AwkwardMang0]

Hey! I just stumbled upon your channel in the wee hours of the night lol and I wanted to thank you for speaking on this topic. Streaming aside, I have to say that being a gal existing in the online gaming sphere in general is quite taxing to say the least. Especially that as someone who's dealt with anxiety issues their entire life, it can be very defeating just trying to play a game and regularly getting berrated or having misogynistic comments thrown at you just for existing. I've enjoyed gaming all my life. I first roughly entered the online world of gaming when I created my Steam account in 2009- when I was still a teenager. At the time I faced harassment then in online game lobbies for having a "feminine-reading" voice, so much to the point that was afraid to talk in vc altogether. It's sad to see that over 10 years later, this still remains a prominent issue for anyone female. I unfortunately am leery to delve into streaming in general due to terrifying individuals online who could seek to breach my privacy, stalkers, etc. As a woman, I would never personally choose to show my face if I did stream, because doing so would put my personal safety more at risk. And this is sad really that it's the reality that we as a society continue to live in. This goes for everyone: no one deserves to be mistreated and harassed because of how they were born. No one deserves this.

[@mintendogaming]

This is a great video. I really appreciate you making this and backing it up with evidence.

[@xTwoShoes]

I appreciate that!

[@mrrayner7162]

One of the most important videos ever made by a "stream content" creator. As much as I do know a good few women/women presenting streamer in the music space, this isn't what I was 100% aware of. It's definitely something that exists, and not just in the stream/content world either. I could guarantee that, out of most women in the generations around mine, an overwhelming majority IF NOT EVERY SINGLE ONE has received some form of unwanted sexual advancement if not harrassment or rape. Since we have been married there's been at least a couple of instances of someone trying to kiss my wife, with one even saying "where is your husband, it's not like he's here". It's a fucking embarrassment to be a man at times, and the thing is that even saying that I know on those days I still have it easier than a vast majority of women. Men - Do fucking better. It's not enough just to be like "grrr this is bad". If you see something, do something.

[@xTwoShoes]

Very well said mate. We need to call out more inappropriate behavior.

[@lampdevil]

Great video, and thank you for tackling this. Any pushback against these toxic ideas is vital. I've been fortunate to not have had many uncomfortable moments with viewers or sketchy DMs... but I've still had some, and it's enough to make me second-guess what's going on when new chatters show up or when people show what feels like "too much" appreciation.

[@xTwoShoes]

Thank you!

[@kazookast]

Have just started watching, but amazing video concept. If anything females need to work harder, especially ones doing gaming. They need to prove them selves more than a male. It’s sad. My wife streams, and it’s been arguably harder for her to grow, and when she does pop off, it’s a bunch of gross men that make her uncomfortable.

[@xTwoShoes]

That sucks:( hope your wife can still enjoy the twitch experience. Hopefully this changes soon

[@halfwaydeaf]

I think Mizkif said it best. Girls have a higher floor, but a lower ceiling. With that said you're also correct with everything you said. At the end of the day good content will always win out.

[@xTwoShoes]

It will indeed! More poeple need to realize this!

[@whaiiey]

Twitch entirely, and I mean entirely, is based upon viewer decisions. You can't say 'this person stole my viewers' because that's not how it works, viewers are individual people who watch people they have a connection with. (The same way that females don't say 'why isn't there many female streamers in the top paid list' because less viewers choose to sub) Then we get onto the 'females get more viewers', like you said that is statistically wrong. If there's more viewers for women in the 'low-mid tier' of twitch, maybe people should consider that it's because female identifying viewers have less options, it's less saturated. (It's the same thing as complaining about a foreign language streamers). As to the last segment of the video, I'm just so sad that these types of things happen and I'm hopeful and grateful that those women are safe because a lot of the time IT CAN go further. So if any female streamers read this, please use a VPN, please keep your personal information private and please take care. (You shouldn't have to but it's a scary world).

[@BinnyBongBaron_AoE]

"Girls Have It Easier On Twitch" This is objectively true and if you don't think so, you've got it wrong.

[@FERCONECTA]

Indeed I think they have it harder but not impossible

[@xTwoShoes]

For sure. Equally as hard as anyone else!

[@Give-riggy-a-raise]

*me who got band for breathing the wrong way shure shure toatly I get banned but alinity don’t get banned

[@nadotornado]

Hey man I just wanna say I absolutely LOVE your videos. I personally am learning a lot from them and soo many good points to apply. I think above all else, mindset is everything. Not just for streaming, but life in general. Thank you for sharing!

[@AloeMami]

This is why sometimes I wish I was a guy. Everytime I go live on TikTok I get asked to “pop one” or just general sexualized messages about me or my body. But then when I say something I get banned on TikTok for “bullying and harassment”. It’s very discouraging.

[@xTwoShoes]

For what it's worth, so sorry you have to go through comments like that. It's frankly awful behavior.

[@DarthWakko_THF]

This is a very tough subject and I believe you handled it very well. To be honest, I've been that guy that has made dismissive comments about female streamers regarding their growth vs their looks, etc. in the past. I'm not proud to admit that and I only say it because I want to apologize to anyone that may have heard me express that sentiment. It's not an ideal that I've held onto for quite some time. Just because there is a market for sexualized content, it's shameful and toxic to lump all females into that category and completely disregard their talent and efforts. Quite frankly, it's ignorance and jealousy. Men everywhere, we must do better. The harassment aspect of this video however, is something I had never considered before. I've heard of creepy dudes sliding into DM's before of course (also not okay) but I had no idea to what extent or frequency. This is despicable behavior to say the least and I have a new found respect for any female streamers that has to deal with this to any degree. It takes a lot of work to stream, it can be taxing on mental health from many angles and at best this is an added layer of frustration that no one deserves to have dumped on them, regardless of gender. Thanks for the content xTwoShoes. Keep it coming. Those with an open mind will hear this content and be better for it and that is great for the platform overall.

[@xTwoShoes]

Thank you for the honesty mate and kind words. Much appreciated.

[@livvylag]

this comment made me so happy to read. thank you for doing the difficult thing and admitting to your mistakes, that is the only way to completely change. thank you. please tell more people about this, your words have bigger impact than ours do and this was incredibly well put.

[@DarthWakko_THF]

@@livvylagthank you but I'm not sure what else to say that Dan hasn't already before me. I will say tho, don't sell yourself short. Your words mean just as much as mine and you can have an impact simply by using your platform to speak up and affect change. Doubting your impact only leads to shortchanging your audience of your positive message!

[@SupremeUV2122]

It is easier for Girls to make money on twitch but doesn't mean they have it easier. Man it depends on the streamer themselves and if they're entertaining to watch 👏

[@JoeCnNd]

It's why they have genre's. You can watch what interests you. I like watching streamers who can tell good stories while they game, whether they're talking about the game or just personal experiences. I don't care if it's a guy or a girl. Yeah the girl may draw me in at first if they look good but if they're boring then it's only going to last so long.

[@livvylag]

exactly. it’s not like people pay to subscribe JUST because someone is pretty. if they’re boring, most people move on and save their money for someone who provides content that suits them better. the people who want to pay people for being pretty go to onlyfans and such.

[@that_metal_chick]

I’ve gotten so many of these comments.. and I don’t even show skin .. like ever- and believe me.. it’s not easy to grow as a female streamer if you don’t!

[@livvylag]

it’s not easy to grow as a female streamer period. nobody sees immediate or faster growth because the show skin, you can express your frustration without perpetuating the stereotypes about ‘most women’ that this video is debunking. all the love, have a good one

[@beardogetsscared]

Absolutely phenomenal video. Facts spoken. Truth given. Hopefully some of these people see this video and correct their ways.

[@xTwoShoes]

Legend :)

[@thatbeardyweirdo]

Absolutely agree with the sentiment of this video. The internet in general is not a safe place for most women and twitch is no exception. I fully believe the vile things that many, if not most, have to deal with. It's a little intellectually lazy to suggest that a handful of top streamers reflect the platform as a whole, although still a valid point. But in my experience I have clicked on streams of attractive women but if they are dull or uninteresting, I haven't stuck around. There are plenty of superb female streamers. People who suggest someone like SweeetTails is on around 2k average viewers because of her looks have never seen her content. As talented, funny and entertaining as any male I've seen, if not more so

[@xTwoShoes]

100%

[@tamriis]

I think its great that you're talking about this. The more people that do the better. I find it quite demoralising knowing that some people will discriminate towards others purely because they aren't of the male gender in the streaming community, and as a female presenting person that makes me feel unsafe. But knowing people care and are talking about this subject makes a huge difference and gives a lot of us hope that maybe things can change.💜

[@xTwoShoes]

Thankmyou so much

[@Hyacsho]

Great video pal

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks 👍 :D

[@Hyacsho]

@@ssgkeem Ew gross, where'd you come from

[@TheGamingBun]

Everyone has it hard it's just how much they want to put the effort into it, and I hope those streamers harassed gets rid of that negativity. Awesome vid and very well put.

[@zombiexte]

if female streams and is boring vs a male being entertaining i think the amle would win and vice versa

[@Strawberry_Angelic]

Can u block ppl on twitch bcs as women we need to know

[@xTwoShoes]

You can yes! Just type /ban followed by their username

[@Daniel-Rain-YT]

Lol yes they do, same can be said about girls on KZbin and Instagram actually.

[@philastley8040]

One of the very first streamers I ever followed was a girl in the crafting space when she only had a few followers simply because i wanted to dip my toes in slowly (I will not say her name here, but she is brilliant and so chilled, she makes everyone feel welcome) and through her met a great many people of friends of friends, brought people to her stream and she mine and her friends who got to know me in time, I tried never to make it weird....she is just a girl doing her own thing and we are good friends to this day that I can randomly pop up in her stream and she will stop what she is doing to give me a personal message and talk directly to me, and the same with to her...I work crazy hours at work so haven't seen her for a while [conflicting timezones] and I haven't been able to stream for the past several months but I do not blame her for having way more viewers than me, it is what it is, people who watch her want to watch crafting whereas I like science and the occasional game of warzone. To each his own, her followers are unlikely to watch me but sometimes she brought her viewers to watch me play and they quickly disappeared...had I been crafting I may have been able to convert a few to regulars but when I was streaming I had a few who are into dinosaurs and science who wouldn't care that she is croqueting a beanie. We all take different paths on our journey, I am sure if I did a hot tub stream I would certainly be able to compete with the best of the best in that space, but it wouldn't be entertaining to look at and would probably give a few people nightmares! lol (hence I would be lucky to get one viewer that bounces out in 1 second) The argument that women are getting more views cos they are women is stupid, just look at the Euro 22 finals as an example, they should be in the kitchen making me a sandwich, the women brought it home FINALLY and got my mum, a 70 year old lifelong hater of football screaming her heart out in joy when Kelly scored her winner [her now favourite player], there will be some who watch women, and some who watch men. I bought her tickets for her birthday to see Kelly play at the City ground in October and she cried in joy. She dislikes mens foot ball but loves the womens game. Horses for courses. It is just the way it is. I am proud to say I have a varied mix of friends on Twitch who I can raid if I ever come back and support, without making it a 'them vs us' Sparhawke - Twitch.

[@WardenOfTheDead]

SAY IT LOUDER FOR THOSE IN THE BACK!! Thank you for bringing this issue to the front and why it's 100% important to address. TwoShoes you be amazing!!!

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks Warden!

[@R1ch4rd74]

2:10 hilarious...

[@l4zrh4wk]

Watch some of the most popular hot tub streamers on Twitch at any time of the day, most of them literally say next to nothing. This guy is white-knighting like a mf.

[@itsJosii]

This video is insanely biased at the end of the day no one should deal with harassment and that’s not what I’m defending here. What I will say is that for women it’s 100% easier to get the ball rolling vs a man trying to do the same thing streaming the same hours and putting in the same amount of effort during and after stream. I think the difference between them is that for a dude the sky’s the limit really once they get it going they can get as big as they want to provided that they keep consistent effort with high quality content. Whereas for a women doing the exact same thing for same amount of time people might choose to only value them for their looks regardless of the fact that they are genuinely funny and creative people who make high quality content. because of that most women who stream will hit a wall with their brand and this is also an issue that should be talked about but to act like the only reason why this “narrative” is being spread is due to “misogyny” just isn’t true. Even if we looks at psychological studies it’s very clear that being “attractive” plays a huge role in how people perceive you. With that no women should ever feel like they can’t have a face cam or mic on stream but to just dismiss that they might have an advantage in some areas is just wrong (imo)

[@labhuman9633]

you told the wrong thing, people like the body not the contents on twitch

[@xTwoShoes]

Wrong on so many levels 😂😂

[@aido055-thewildcelt6]

“Talent is talent” …..couldn’t have put it any better myself. End of the day people will always opt for the easiest excuse as to why they aren’t doing as well as others and the “different gender” excuse is unfortunately the easiest choice for these narrow minded people. Great job on the vid Dan 😊

[@xTwoShoes]

Thanks so much mate!

[@ShinigamiRyan]

Look at pokimane and Alinity vs hard working streamers and tell me that isn't true.

[@aido055-thewildcelt6]

@@ShinigamiRyan i know.. i mean having almost 20 million followers across multiple platforms just happens right.........no hard work needed there ..........

[@ShinigamiRyan]

@@aido055-thewildcelt6 Showing your clevage and assets to people along with being a toxic streamer(remember her copyright bs attack on Pewdiepie?) will get you millions of views. Because lots of people are down bad. You can push out god tier content like Tobuscus(who then lost it all) or many small streamers and barely get any notice.

[@aido055-thewildcelt6]

@@ShinigamiRyan look I know I’m not going to change your mind but I’ll just say that if all it took was showing some cleavage…. ALOT more creators would have much bigger followings. And Tobuscus had his time and ruined it all himself…. No1 else… it wasn’t “taken away”…. but drug addiction and much worse allegations will do that to a person.

[@PodMonkeyCWC]

I know I'm commenting on an older video, but everything you say in this video is wrong. I wrote this comment as I watched it, so it's a point-by-point rebuttal of everything you're saying. The simple fact that there even was a hot tub meta, where women could do nothing but simply exist in a bikini and get money shows how easy it is for a woman to grow on twitch. And you point out, that the extent of the content is "sit in a hot tub and write names on their arm." Do you think you'd be as popular as you are if all you did was sit in a hot tub and write names on your arm? Of course not. And hot tub streamers didn't get backlash because people thought it was easier for them to grow, they did it because they were putting on the equivalent of a strip show on a platform with kids on it. There are platforms for that shit, and Twitch ain't it. Saying "platforms change" isn't an excuse. And your whole rant conflating the dislike of hot tub streamers with "stealing viewers" is irrelevant to whether girls have it easier on Twitch. Two completely different subjects. And then you go into your next bad argument, "Now we're going to look at the top ten most watched streamers." The reason this is irrelevant is that no one said that girls have it easier getting into the Top 10 or even Top 100. This is a straw man that you're arguing against. The statement is "women have an easier time growing and being successful." Unless your definition of "successful" is "Top 10" then there's no reason to bring up the Top 10 or Top 100. People trying to make videos like this constantly try to use the Top 10 and Top 100 argument, just like you. And it's always wrong. The "Highest number of view records" is the same argument repackaged, and just as irrelevant. No one is saying women get the most viewers. Remember, the argument is that "girls have it EASIER" not "girls get MORE". There's a huge difference. "Highest earning streamers" is again the same irrelevant argument. Future Dan is just as wrong as Past Dan with the Top 100 argument, because it's still irrelevant to the argument that girls have it EASIER. It's not about who is most successful, it's about how easy is it to grow. You're speaking so enthusiastically and you're absolutely completely missing the point. And the next bit, "I know people will argue in the chat..." This is trying to poison the well and straw man at the same time. You have no idea what people in the chat are going to argue because you haven't even presented an argument against the problem that you're saying you're addressing. Then, in continuing to avoid the subject, you now ask for female streamers to send you anecdotes, which are all irrelevant to the subject "girls have it easier growing on Twitch" or "girls have it easier on Twitch." 15 minutes and 33 seconds of video and not once did you actually address the argument you put in the title. No one is saying that being a woman will make you the most successful on Twitch. Literally no one believes that. No one is saying that being a woman will put you in the Top 10 or Top 100 of most viewed, most subs, or most earnings on Twitch. The argument is "It is easier to grow on Twitch as a girl." To pay one's bills on Twitch, all a girl has to do is sit in a hot tub, bend over with a mirror on her ass, and write names on a dry-erase board. It literally doesn't get easier than that, and not one man can put in that little effort and achieve even 1/100th the growth or success. Or do you believe otherwise.

[@l4zrh4wk]

This.

[@kelvynward7867]

A 15 minute long simp rant with irrelevant information that ignores the reality of the situation. I'm not a streamer myself, it's just clear to see

[@CameronZimos]

Easily, bro said "fem presenting people" bro is a twitter user with a goofy channel

[@itsmini6175]

They do…

[@xTwoShoes]

What makes you think that?

[@samlepitt-]

@@xTwoShoes because "sex sells" and simps are very powerful

[@kaylarayla_]

Thanks for speaking up for anyone that doesnt feel comfortable enough to do it themselves. Also thanks you for the research into the situation, I knew it was majority men in the top 10/38 but I feel like these boys don't truly care/understand how difficult it is for everyone to grow

[@NachoKingLLN]

For the average streamer/content creator, a woman will gain more viewers faster than a man. You see it all the time when scrolling through Twitch. The flip side of that is women do in fact deal with more harassment than men do. I don’t think anyone denies that. It’s like this…women (especially an attractive one) will get more viewers short term. Men get more viewers long term. It’s just the nature of the beast. Men are more inclined to watch a pretty face for a bit. They may even sub or gift. However they tend to fade out over time. Where as for a male streamer their viewers build up much slower and over time. Which is why they tend to have the most viewers overall. Hence your examples of the top 1%.

[@livvylag]

you’re not wrong but you’re not right either… *attractive people* get more clicks but any normal person leaves stream and doesn’t interact if the content doesn’t interest them. it’s not easier to grow short term for women, it may be more click-generating to be conventionally beautiful but the content you provide is still just as harshly judged before people decide to pay you for it.

[@livvylag]

also describing female streamers as “a pretty face” is quite disturbing. it would be great if you used more humanizing language, as you did with men throughout your comment.

[@NachoKingLLN]

@@livvylag but in the context of the reasoning and conversation that’s why. Men see a pretty face so they tune in to watch and flirt. That’s just how they are. If you were to have a man and woman both start a stream doing the same content, I guarantee you she would get more viewers and interactions. Especially if she is an attractive woman. Again, we’re not talking top 1% of people. We’re talking every day, average streamer.

[@livvylag]

@@NachoKingLLN no, men in general don’t do that. superficial people or *creeps* do that. most people will click off when content is uninteresting, no matter if they’re a man or a woman. but i guess you only speak from personal experience?

[@KaiPurge]

@@livvylag no you are wrong men in general do that why are you acting like a man wouldn't rather watch a pretty girl that is average at a game vs a normal joe that is average at that same game? Can you drop the victim card for a minute? If you are a pretty girl that is mediocre at say overwatch vs a normal joe that is also mediocre at the same game the girl will get more views. You people act like we cant literally go onto twitch ( don't log in just go to it becsause logging in it will only give you channels close to what you yourself usually watch) and see who is at the top in most of the categories? All the male streamers he listed are pro gamers in their respected games I know half of them because they are pro/top 500 overwatch players. SOmething less than 1 percent of that entire games playerbase ever reaches. BUt all he did was compare apples to oranges. He lists pro male gamers vs average female gamers to fit the narrative that he wanted the video to be instead of comparing apples to apples. Its like no crap ninja has a ton more views he is literally the face of fortnite lol thats like comparing spider-man to stilt-man...no crap spider-man is more popular than stilt-man.

[@tackleberry9386]

They do though. Its easier for females, they can grow with zero effort, this is just a load of nonsense

[@xTwoShoes]

I wholeheartedly disagree. "Zero effort" is a huge insult to all the creators building successful brands and putting hours in. You are seeing what you want to. Not what is actually happening.

[@angelaperez5248]

Ok here 🔥 🙏🏼🖤

[@giosundance5643]

Nah chief simping should be illegal

[@NutterTTV]

I dont think its about who has it easier. I think everyone is different and some have it vastly easier and some have it vastly harder. Gender has nothing to do with it. I see some females doing so much better purely because they are so cute and easily loved. Yet a guy lets say that isnt cute and isnt easily loved would find it a lot harder. I also understand that you should be putting your strengths on the frontlines. AND most don't! Thats why some people are growing a lot faster then others. We need to stop saying who has it harder and who has it easier when it comes to gender because its total crap. Its down to each and every individual that either has it harder or has it easier. AND when it comes comes to thick skin we all need to have it super thick if we are going to make it anywhere on social media. Sad part is most dont and it makes it a lot harder for them to push through it to get to the good parts.

[@xTwoShoes]

Basically my final statement in the video! Gender doesn't matter, talent does!

[@NutterTTV]

Yeah i noticed that. You did very well to explain how horrible people can be. I do a lot of esports titles and i can have just as messed up stuff said to me. I find a block and ignore works wonders. Block out the connection someone has to you it makes it very easy for them to back off. As its easier just to go onto someone else and harrass them.

[@Nakla]

I think women have it easier in terms of getting views as a casual or mid size streamer On the top its almost exclusively male but thats just the top. They also have more and "better" revenue streams money wise. This is all just guessing but I assume the average donation and sub to non sub ratio is higher for women. Unlike men they can use Wishlist and many these days sexualize themselves because OF spits out a lot of money. Without directly getting 1 dollar you need to get a lot of people to watch your Ads. They shouldn't be too surprised to not be among the most popular streamers though. Most focus on sexualizing themselves for the win and you won't get every soul with that. I don't think many many women watch Amouranth for example and many guys stricly avoid this type of content.

[@xTwoShoes]

I don''t reall agree. If you look at stats. Men are all the top paid on Twitch and in terms of other revenue streams, plenty of men (myself included) use or have used wishlists in the past. Technically, the same revenue streams are available for all. It's the creators decision if they want to use them. Main point is that, many people lump all female creators in the same pot of "they are sexualizing themsevles". Not all do, and more power to the ones that do imo. It's not content for everyone on Twitch sure, but its the way it goes.

[@carnagerecords8490]

i agree and disagree with this video at the same time. Its not so black and white though.

[@ericexp497]

sorry to those women that went through that, but harassment aside, you gotta be a privileged person of the highest tier to sit here and say women dont benefit from their gender. take this for an example. do you really believe if you were the most gifted gamer with a great personally, competed against a woman with no gaming ability at all, for popularity, that you'll win? im sorry but thats just delusion

[@Stickynickky]

What the actual fuck... 11:45

[@xTwoShoes]

Honestly horrible!

[@codingandquesting]

Lmao ummm if you’re a dude on twitch and you tend to watch women play on twitch then you know exactly the answer to this question 😂 I even see accounts without mic or can get followers by just having a female profile pic and guys asking them to use webcam.

[@chairmanofthe13]

I think you make very valid points and the abuse that female streamers deal with is criminal. It's truly awful. I would not wish that kind of abuse on anyone and it's inexcusable. Also, I don't see ANYONE else's success as "stealiing" views from me as you put it. That's nonsense thinking. Watch what works and learn from it if you want to be successful. That said, if you want to be real about this topic, we all know that streaming (or social media in general, instagram, tiktok, whatever it may be) is easier to gain followers if you are pleasing to the eye (Heller Harris has a video on this). I promise you if I do the exact same content as Amournath I will NOT get a following and certainly not one as big as hers lol. This is the way the world works. This is why we (or at least me) try to look nice before I fire up my stream. It's also the reason it's easier to grow if you have a nice looking streaming room with an interesting background. People are more likely to click on your stream when browsing if you are attractive and/or your environment looks interesting and nice. So when I say it's easier for a cute girl to gain followers, I'm not saying they don't deal with other issues that I don't (other horrific and very serious issues!!). I'm saying that if you take two content creators that do the exact same content and one is an unattractive person with a messy room in the background while the ohter is a beautiful woman with a nice space and pleasing lighting etc.... She WILL get more views, subs and watchtime. Also, your list about the top streamers being male is a good stat and duly noted. However, most streamers are male, as are most gamers. This is changing, but those top guys also got started when the balance was even more tilted towards males. I appreciate your video and I'm glad you put a spotlight on some of these issues. But I just want to keep it real so people aren't getting it twisted. More attractive people with an attractive environment have an easier getting popular on a visual medium.

[@livvylag]

most people don’t subscribe to content they don’t like. yes, more people may CLICK on the stream but as soon as they realize it’s not content they enjoy most of them leave. onlyfans is where people go to subscribe for ‘pretty’ content, twitch is an entertainment platform where most of us are just liked because of our content, not what we look like. more clicks is more exposure yes, but it doesn’t make it easier to get a sub. subs may be more frequent due to the more frequent clicks but i assure you we have to try as hard as you do to get a sub or a long-time watcher.

[@livvylag]

also, the room being messy point is a bit strange seeing as it doesn’t have anything to do with gender. i see the comparison you’re trying to make but the point gets lost when you use something totally unrelated that anyone could fix. i’m in no way trying to affect you negatively, i agree with a lot of what you’re saying but i felt i could provide some first-hand insight to make your picture of female streamers a bit broader. have a good day :)

[@brianc2100]

I don't disagree with anything you said... Like you said, more clicks = more opportunities for follows and subs. That doesn't mean that you don't need good content (although I've watched Amournath 3 or 4 times and have yet to see any content that I would call even average). But if you're attractive the bar is definitely lower IMHO. The comment about a messy room was intended to illustrate the point that aesthetics matter to people, even if only subconsciously. What's you twitch name? I'd love to check out your stream sometime! Have a great day 😊

[@brianc2100]

PS I apologize if I made this confusing... I didn't realize that I was logged into my personal account (this one) when I responded. But I am the same person (chairman of the bored)

[@livvylag]

@@brianc2100 I agree, and Amouranth isn’t in my personal taste either but neither is xqc, they just happen to fall into other people’s preferred content category. Thank you for replying kindly, having conversations in comment section has been interesting to say the least… My twitch name is the same as my KZbin!! LivIsLagging Have a good day😊

[@vyrizu9713]

this makes me sad :( i hate the human race sometimes

[@Lsaboteur]

I will not lisend to the video because... Is true. Its easier to make money on stream if you are a girl.

[@xTwoShoes]

Or you could maybe just listen to the video?

[@bikerboy3k]

yes.

[@JumJummi]

its probably because of the Tate gang his created

[@xTwoShoes]

Unfortunately it existed Long before him but he 100% is not helping!!

[@JumJummi]

@@xTwoShoes Agreed! I just think as of lately it may be worse since he's practically everywhere and now certain streamers even have him on their channel promoting. Nonetheless, love your content and wish more prosperity and love upon you and loved ones

[@anarchyahoy1363]

This kind of thinking is the SADDEST thing I have ever seen. I personally do not use a webcam, I like using a static image that lights up when I talk because I think the highlight of my streams is comedy and games, would I do better if I added one? Maybe. But on the topic of female streamers, I learned I get a lot less lewd comments when I don't have a webcam up and running and I prefer it that way. You viewers are not being stolen by hot girls, the people coming to twitch to watch hot girls are not coming to to twitch to watch for anything else than that specific topic and that's fine. If you wanna show skin, do hot tub streams, make money on people who are there for that kind of content then go for it. But being blamed for others not getting views is Ludacris. Look at your content and change it accordingly to attract the viewers you want. Build a community. Most people making comments are just mad because they decided one day that they wanted to stream but have done nothing to improve their content, or network, or researched how to make their streams worth watching. You get better results the more WORK you put into your content and that will always be the case. Blaming female streamers or hotties from taking your views is lazy as Hell. Improve yourself and stop degrading other people! This video is incredibly well done and you aced breaking down a lot of myths people wanna believe. Amazing work, Dan. As always. Thank you for the video! Sorry I went off lol I do that a lot but I genuinely LOVE your vids and thank you for always spitting hard facts.

[@xTwoShoes]

Thank you for sharing. It's so awful that you and so many other creators have gone through this type of thing and thanks for the supportive comment!

[@MisterRagdoll]

I have gotten questionable comments to say the least whenever I do drag queen on stream. That rarely happens when I have normal streams. I feel like small women streamers can get easier visibility than small men streamers but at same time they get people I'd rather never meet.

[@xTwoShoes]

Me either!

[@anibaron]

can't lie lovely vid but if your a girls streamer u gonna get all the guys up in there 😂

[@ssgkeem]

Sorry i disagree 😂

[@xTwoShoes]

Fair! All entitled to our opinions :)

[@Stickynickky]

make that video! 12:23

[@xTwoShoes]

Maybe one day with the blessing over everyone who sent their stories to me!

[@pokemongo-up3rq]

Money earned is not a metric of effort

[@xTwoShoes]

Not soulely no, but I would argue it's a pretty good indicator at times. What would you say is?

[@pokemongo-up3rq]

View count is not a metric of effort

[@xTwoShoes]

Not solely no, but I would argue it's a pretty good indicator at times. What would you say is?

[@wabisabi7755]

People saying women are showing too much skin, but no one speaks about the other male streamers who always wear sleeveless shirts and flexing whenever they can.

[@xTwoShoes]

Accurate!

[@ShinigamiRyan]

Males don't get tons of viewers from it. Look at Pokimane or Alinity or hot tub streamers and tell me they don't get it easy.

[@wabisabi7755]

@@ShinigamiRyan If you say so 😉

[@strafeeto]

Saying "talent is talent regardless of what you look like" is silly. Being attractive definitely gives an edge, regardless of gender. This also goes beyond the scope of twitch; studies have shows that attractive people get paid more, get considered for more jobs, and have stronger social skills than unattractive people.

[@Wayne_Obie]

And yet… As proven in ALL these stats. Your statement is categorically wrong. Tim the Tatman is by NO MEANS good looking. Hell 3/4’s of the men in the top 100 are not near what most what classify as good looking. And yet you still want to try and say talent doesn’t beat looks

[@xTwoShoes]

Boom

[@ShinigamiRyan]

@@Wayne_Obie Most of them are fortnite streamers. And half their auidence is 9-12 year olds. The statement is factual. Why do you think Twitch lets hot tub streams exist. Alinity and girls like her can show off their 'assets' and twitch will turn a blind eye, but you can get banned for saying a no no word or by being Dr Disrespect.

[@shortti_]

Do not underrate your own voice about this. I think it is important to someone like you - a more know creator - to speak about this. It is important to keep on talking about this as long as this kind of attitudes are normalized. Thank you.

[@xTwoShoes]

Thank you kindly :)

[@KaiPurge]

LOL and men get in game messages telling us to kill ourselves and get called many obscenities but hey lets keep pretending that women get nothing but hate for being women in games, despite the whole simp phenomena and how just chatting is mostly bikini streamers and some are even streamers that have thousands of views just from them sleeping with a camera on. You are literally comparing apples to oranges. I don't understand why people keep forcing the "women are just a bunch of weak little victims" narratives. I don't believe they are weak nor victims. They are getting the same crap that men have gotten since online gaming became a thing waaay back when us men were little boys. When you join a male dominated industry you should be expected to be treated the same as the dudes grew up learning. This "woe is me" nonsense needs to stop. Everyone has bad online experiences doesn't matter what's between your legs. Hell I had an online female stalker for 4 years each time I blocked her she would make a new profile to stalk me some more. Everyone deals with creeps and arseholes.

[@ChrizPatatoz]

first (probably)

[@xTwoShoes]

You were indeed!

[@pokemongo-up3rq]

Popularity is not a metric of effort

[@xuntouchablex6879]

Not all female streamers are targeted. Take a look at Maya's content; she creates fantastic content focused on animals and dresses modestly. It's disheartening to see the number of female streamers who intentionally wear revealing clothes and sexualize their streams for views. I recently saw a Japanese girl wearing only a bra during her stream, which is quite concerning. Male streamers, on the other hand, do not go live wearing just underwear or engage in similar behavior. It's important to avoid grouping all female streamers together because many of them produce excellent non-sexualized content. However, the female streamers who do sexualize their streams without shame tarnish the reputation of other female streamers as a whole. Sexualized content has no place on Twitch. The hot tub trend is absurd and toxic, degrading the platform's reputation. It's quite unfortunate that someone could mock Twitch streamers, saying, "You stream on a platform where girls in bikinis splash around in a kiddie pool and beg for money? Yikes." If Twitch were not such a popular platform, I would choose to stream elsewhere. Furthermore, intentionally using excessive cleavage for attention is a manipulative tactic for click-baiting. It's just as deceptive as creating a misleading KZbin thumbnail or title that doesn't accurately represent the content. If anyone believes that girls who sexualize themselves for profit on Twitch are providing genuine "content," they are mistaken. It requires minimal effort to apply makeup, put on a bra, dance in front of a camera, and respond to questions from desperate men seeking attention because of their physical appearance. This observation does not stem from misogyny; it reflects the reality of how many men perceive these girls. The behavior of these girls is honestly pathetic, and I believe Twitch lost a significant amount of respect when it allowed such sexualization to occur. Additionally, it's evident that these girls have no regard for their viewers; they are solely focused on collecting donations and subscriptions. A genuine content creator prioritizes their audience and places themselves second when it comes to the content they produce. Moreover, it's delusional to believe that these girls aren't diverting attention from legitimate content creators who invest countless hours into their stream productions. While Twitch bears responsibility for allowing this behavior, there is no reason for me to be sympathetic towards these girls who clearly prioritize monetary gain above all else.

[@Zcharkz]

[@xTwoShoes]

[@wombozombo]

Sometimes a cute face will get me to check out a stream but if they're not entertaining I'm out 🤷‍♂️ Talent is talent indeed

[@pokemongo-up3rq]

Easier, not more lucrative

[@HakzeeALT]

Just stop

[@xTwoShoes]

Not sure, I understand the point you are making here?