Give Me an Answer

[@1godonlyone119]

Kepler never said "I don't understand this, therefore God did it." Kepler understood very well how things work, and THAT is why he understood that an intelligent person was responsible for the universe's existence.

[@ParaguayanTree]

I prefered "give me an answer" before Cliffe's final thoughts. The debates are awesome. Absolutely love his passion for getting truth out and encouraging people to think!!

[@chawkz]

I'm very glad that we Christians have a Strong relationship with the creator... very glad

[@windowsscreen]

MORE VÍDEOS PLEASE IT'S A BLESSING TO LEARN HOW TO ANSWERS THESE AWSOME QUESTIONS AND REMARKS (mouse story was beautiful I'm gonna use that 4 sure)

[@1godonlyone119]

There is no such thing as a "historical scientific truth." Truth can be historical OR scientific: These are two different branches of valid knowledge.

[@VainFriggus]

Late response but yes it’s like saying turn left and right at the same time

[@gingercake0907]

She has gotten in over her head . Cliff left her very little wiggle room. So she is throwing arguments hoping, like spaghetti being thrown at a wall , something will stick.

[@bugatti99vun]

Wao, I like the example of piano and mice. It's a great example to use to explain to ppl the difference between science and philosophical question.

[@ChrisKirchner98]

This man explains things very clearly. Makes it understandable. God Bless you all

[@1godonlyone119]

Specified complexity requires an intelligent person to cause it. The entire universe is filled with specified complexity. Therefore, there must necessarily be an immensely powerful and immensely intelligent person responsible for the existence of the specified complexity in the universe.

[@gingercake0907]

Exactly and God doesn’t require us to have infinite knowledge of Him or the universe to be in right relationship with Him. That’s a trick of Satan. All God requires is faith . “ But without faith it is impossible to please Him ( God). For he who comes to God must believe He is, and rewards those who diligently seek Him.” Hebrews 11:6.

[@CJBlake-ym6ky]

That mice analogy was legit

[@KiwiChristian]

That mouse story is brilliant. I might have to borrow that one.

[@dannyneiba]

I want to see some new videos of Cliffe speaking to 2021 liberals about Christ. Love you Cliffe.

[@factenter6787]

Is he even still in ministry...or alive? Many of these videos were recorded over a decade ago, and he wasn't that young then. Even his Stuart's kids must be grown up by now

[@Bak3dB3an]

The blood doesn't tell me it was because of the bullet. The bullet just shows he was shot. The gun just shows the bullet was in it. But how can we link the bullet to the gun? The finger prints on the trigger of the gun just shows they handled it at one time, not that they shot with the gun. Logic is so great.

[@jordanfuller4160]

that gives you hope, meaning, and ultimate purpose?

[@Globeguy1337]

14:30 The question “why is the kettle whistling?” has two different TYPES of answers; one answers the question of process and the other of ultimate directing cause. If this question is asked several times throughout someone’s life, the answers may show a similar pattern. The child may answer ‘because mommy makes it whistle when she wants tea’. The young student may answer ‘mom makes the stove hot with the kettle on it so the steam makes it whistle when she wants tea”. The young adult may say “mother lights the stove, which heats up the kettle by way of the thermal radiation from the combustion reaction of the gas conducted throughout the material of the kettle into the contained water, exciting the molecules into a gaseous state and increasing pressure. The whistle is a vibration caused by this expanding gas being forced through the restrictive aperture that is designed for this very purpose”. Is this a ‘mom of the gaps’ argument? At first it looks like she made it whistle directly, but as scientific understanding explains the process more and more, her role shrinks and will eventually be eliminated.

[@georgedoyle7971]

“The child’s mother” “Her role shrinks and will eventually be eliminated” “The question is why is the kettle whistling” Sorry but this is a philosophical position that can not be proven and is a question begging fallacy and a special pleading fallacy of the highest degree. “Eliminated” by what exactly? “Eliminated” by a blind, mindless, meaningless accidental process of matter and random brain chemicals creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities. Sorry but this is clearly “self” refuting and leads to epistemological nihilism. Equally, quantum mechanics demonstrates that if you eliminate the conscious observer nothing collapses at the quantum probability wave!! The irony is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism “you” and your claims to the rational high ground are nothing more substantive than a cosmic accident and nothing more than the delusions of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur. So “the question is” why “ought” we take the truth claims of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur seriously? Why should we believe the myths, delusions and “truth” claims of an evolved ape who shares half their DNA with bananas?? Your existential crisis and epistemological crisis not ours buddy!! Why should we take the truth claims of a chemical and biological robot seriously? The fact is that a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism is a causally closed effectively complete system buddy unless your appealing to something outside the system. Under this self refuting causally closed effectively complete system you are just brain chemicals, you are just the brains user illusion of “self” and nothing more substantive than the science project of vinegar and baking soda bubbling over. Does the science project of vinegar and baking soda bubble over bravely when it claims that we can “eliminate” the mothers role from reality? Does the science project of vinegar and baking soda bubble over with absolute truth when it claims that matter is fundamental to reality, existence and experience not the conscious agent? Can the science project of vinegar and baking soda take the credit for its circular logic and self contradiction? Furthermore, under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism your truth claims have no more “truth” value than leaves blowing in the wind and “you”and the leaves including your belief that you can remove the conscious agent from the picture of reality are destined for the same place (The Fertiliser Pit). As I pointed out already your existential crisis and epistemological crisis not ours buddy!! Sorry but “truth” and causation, the prescriptive laws of logic, empiricism, science itself and more importantly morals and ethics only exist from the top down. “There is a fundamental error in separating the parts from the whole, the mistake of atomizing what should not be atomized. Unity and complementarity constitute reality.” (Werner Heisenburg). According to strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists we “ought” to build from the bottom up. Why “ought” we when for centuries reality and everyday experience clearly demonstrates that it is the other way around, the top down. (Relativism, strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism): “The belief that the truth is that there is no truth” Sorry but everyone has a right to believe what they want and everyone including theists have a right to find bottom up assumptions regarding reality, existence and experience self refuting and ridiculous… I rest my case!!

[@georgedoyle7971]

“Her role shrinks and will eventually be eliminated” I’m not making any appeals to authority but the fact is that according to the expert linguist and brilliant cognitive scientist Noam Chomsky… “There are only two ways of looking at eliminative materialism (the idea that all things reduce to solid substance). One is that it is total gibberish until someone tells us what matter is. Until someone tells us what eliminative materialism is there can’t be such a thing as eliminative materialism and no one can tell us what matter is”. (Noam Chomsky). Similarly, I’m not making any appeals to authority, but on the cognitive level Albert Einstein utilised a more nuanced approach and demonstrated that “matter” is nothing more substantive than the curvature of space and time which is why he completely rejected atheism for the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness. That is Einstein completely rejected atheism for the nuanced God of Spinoza/deism/panentheism not pantheism. Equally, Einstein’s closest friend Michelle Besso, who Einstein stated “was the greatest sounding board in Europe”, completely rejected atheism for the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/monotheism/Christianity. I’m not making any appeals to authority just pointing out that the conflict myth between science and faith is exactly that, a myth and a false dichotomy perpetuated by militant internet atheists. Nevertheless, when are strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists going to understand that the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/monotheism/deism/panentheism are just default positions and they are just a (lack of belief) in atheism until materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists can “prove” that “nothing” and then a “cosmic accident” created everything and that “matter” is all there is to reality and existence, not mind and consciousness or both. Sorry but its just a (lack of belief) in nihilism, fatalism, solipsism and moral subjectivism/relativism until strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists can prove that a cosmic accident, a cosmic toss of a coin, the accidental arrangement of cosmic tea leaves at the bottom of their morning cup of tea created “truth”, the prescriptive laws of logic, conscious agents, science, rationality, free will, morals, ethics, art, poetry, literature, music, beauty, truth, empathy and love. There’s no extra burden of proof!! When are strictly reductive materialists, atheists or philosophical naturalists, going to understand that under “relativism” we are all on equal footing at the very least. The fact is that the nuances of objective morality will always be most hotly debated by those who want to justify evil and depravity!! The fact is that reality and existence and in particular the qualities of experience such as empathy, compassion, real beauty, real bravery, meaning and purpose and ultimately real truth and love isn’t made of “matter” they are made of (what matters). I rest my case!!

[@Globeguy1337]

@@georgedoyle7971 Wow - I appreciate the interesting response. I think I largely agree with your points. When I said that the mother would disappear from the explanation I was trying to be satirical. My point was that even though the increase in the child’s understanding of the mechanisms involved in the process expanded over time (thus lowering the percentage of the explanation that references the mother) such expansion does nothing to address the teleological question (nor, I suppose, the practical explanation for the initiation of the process), which involves an explanation of an entirely different kind.

[@1godonlyone119]

Without God, there could be no science, and yet there is.

[@coleywavey]

The speech at the end 👏

[@jordanfuller4160]

have very good reasons to trust what the Gospels, and outside sources, are saying about Jesus. We have evidence of non-Christians saying that Jesus lived, died on a cross under the rule of Pontius Pilate, was buried and resurrected. You mention (sarcastically) that so many people write about Jesus after he died and that it was due to legend. It's a fascinating point you bring up! The historical evidence shows that the only reasonable explanation for the "explosion" of the literature and growth

[@BobDobalena]

Right and he’ll believe Tiberius Caesar history is all correct and there’s way less evidence of him.

[@831santacruz]

Human DNA screams design .. ✝️❤

[@jordanfuller4160]

...I meant to add that Josephus writings are close to the events themselves and thus we can trust the reliability of what he reported about Jesus, excuse that error.

[@Bak3dB3an]

It's funny how in 80% of the videos most unbelievers wear black lol

[@jordanfuller4160]

of the church is that the disciples and all the many others really saw the risen Jesus! No other alternative explanation can sufficiently explain the given facts in the historical record. That's why so many historians wrote about Jesus after his death: the church was booming in crazy numbers and they were curious to know why! Legends take much longer time to develop, and the time gap for these particular events is extremely narrow to include legendary development.

[@ChristianCutie83]

SHe just does not get it. He is making a good point. She just wont let down her walls to hear it.

[@jordanfuller4160]

Your original question concerns what Cliffe was saying about how the disciples' went to their deaths claiming to have seen the risen Jesus, so we must investigate the Gospels for what they are: historical narratives. To do this, we must use the primary source here: the Bible; however, the Bible isn't the whole of the historical evidence for the events mentioned in the Gospels, which I will explain later. First, the Gospels tell us that the disciples were appealing to a well-known event that was

[@tjmanou6422]

The girl trying to make a point was painful to watch lol

[@griffisjm]

Very disrespectful that this girl is not engaging in a debate but simply waiting for her turn to talk. Cliffs is trying to answer her and she's to busy having side conversations to listen to his point. Why waste time.

[@jordanfuller4160]

explanation for the disciples' radical transformation that took them from being scared and doubtful of Jesus when he was being crucified on the cross to proclaiming that he rose from the grave, even to the point of death? This historical fact must be answered.

[@nosuchthing8]

It was a legend. Some dude may have told some tales and gotten this rolling. But since not a single person outside the bible bothered to write about him and his adventures while he was alive (outside the bible, which was written decades later anyway) there is no good reason to believe the tales. And we know it was a legend because as the myth spread, people felt compelled to pen something about the guy. But it doesn't mean it was true.

[@BobDobalena]

The entire world’s calendar is based on Jesus Christ. Even non Christian. There are 40 times more writings about Jesus than Tiberius Caesar who was the empower of rome at the same time. These writings occurred in the 1st century. Christianity started before the New Testament was written Even the enemies of Jesus never said he didn’t perform miracles they just said he used the devil. In this time period 1/2 of the Roman Empire converted to Christianity. No serious scholar says Jesus is a legend.

[@jordanfuller4160]

Hold on, let's not be ignorant about the historical facts here. There were plenty of people who saw the risen Jesus outside the small circle of believers, and we find this in a letter Paul wrote to the Corinthian church in 1 Corinthians 15. This part of his letter contains a creed that is dated 2 to 5 years after Jesus' resurrection, an extremely short time after it happened. The passage talks about Jesus dying on a cross, buried in a tomb, and rose from the dead 3 days later appearing to over

[@jordanfuller4160]

For the outside historians--I have not been arguing that what they said is TRUE, I'm just telling you what they SAID, and what they said is consistent with the Gospels, Acts, Paul's letters, etc. Call their historical writings whatever you want, we have the ORIGINAL eyewitnesses testimonies and that is even more important. With all the evidence gathered together, the most reasonable conclusion based on said evidence is that Jesus really did rise from the dead. Yes, I already know you disagree,

[@nosuchthing8]

Look up the word hearsay. If you are on trial for murder, if someone testifies (under oath) that they HEARD you commited the crime, or that their best freind said that they SAW you commited the crime - hearsay. Inadmissable. And for good reason, because that is not direct testimony)

[@dannylinc6247]

You have to also consider that an adult male in their culture lived by his word being his bond. He could die for the simplest of lies or evading the truth publically. They had a theocracy. They spent their time learning and practicing from scrolls taught in their temples. They judged one another and stoned sinners, liars, and banished those they thought were sick or crazy. It was a completely different culture and belief than people in our time in our country. The alien sighting comparison doesn't compare. There's medications and drugs people can get into as well as infections and other issues that make hallucination now, in our time. Five hundred eye witnesses in their time was a forgone slam dunk. Why destroy your whole existence in their time for a story you know would be false? They saw the risen Christ. Or they wouldn't all claim to. I think. The other side of the coin that no one ever talks about, is there was no finding in their time ever written of that the soldiers couldn't stop the corpse from being stolen. There was no finding that the corpse was found elsewhere. There were no disciples pointed out as missing who carried the corpse to go somewhere with it. It would stink. It would go against their whole way of thinking and being in their theocracy. The "gardener" who was there (Jesus) would have told them if the body was taken. The soldiers charged with guarding the corpse would meet their deaths also if they were found and they didn't stop the grave robbery. Instead we learn from the accounts that the soldiers witnessed the death and made sure. Then they were also present for the darkness and the earthquake. They realized they had just killed the Son of God. There's no accounts of them saying words to the contrary or following any evidence to anyone taking the corpse. It would have been very much a news worthy event.

[@jordanfuller4160]

the Gospels, Acts, and the rest of the New Testament report! Friend there is TONS of evidence for all of these things. You mention that no one bothered to write about him while he was alive...why would they do this if he was still living?? No complete biographies about anyone are written while they are still alive because they are STILL alive! It'd be pointless to do it while they are living. So you see, the standards you are holding for the resurrection of Jesus are far and beyond what any

[@nosuchthing8]

Oh thats simplicity itself. There was a massive religion already in place in that area, the cult of Dionysus. He was the god of wine. Apparently the most popular deity, in terms of images on pottery. Basically, if you wanted wine, you needed to at least pretend to worship dionysus. Anyway, dionysus was supposed to die and be resurrected each and every year with the vines. He was born of a mortal woman and the head deity, worshipped by eating the body and drinking the blood (wine), etc.

[@paisios4493]

18:00

[@jordanfuller4160]

not isolated but rather that was known to everyone. In fact, the Gospels report that the enemies and skeptics of Christ even admitted that Jesus had risen from the dead. There is also historical evidence outside of the Bible that supports these events found in the Gospels that include Jewish, Roman, and pagan historians, and even archaeological finds such as a Pontius Pilate inscription. More so, eyewitness testimony is a valid form of knowledge when it lines up with the rest of the evidence and

[@nosuchthing8]

You remind me of an accountant that has found the numbers don't add up. The book keeper says "well of course you have to admit that 2 plus 2 does not always equal 4" and you chime in : sorry, slick, if you think 2 +2 does not always equal 4, prove it. Otherwise you are playing loose and fast with the rules simply because it suits your little scam here.

[@jordanfuller4160]

500 people, including non-believers such as Paul and James. Read it for yourself and you will see this is the case. Paul was a zealous Pharisee who was against the Christian message and even persecuted Christians until Jesus appeared to him, after which Paul went to his own death proclaiming the risen Christ and the truthfulness of what Jesus taught. We must use the Gospels to evaluate the resurrection, for it's where historical record is found in the first place! And yes, there is much

[@nosuchthing8]

As I said below - simple an offshoot of the cult of Dionysus. He was God's Son (Son of Zeus) and had many, many parallels to Jesus. And let's not forget this was in the region (Greek/Roman empire) where it was very common to adopt a new religion and make it your own. As you know, the romans copied almost all their gods from the greeks. So, simply out, someone merged the preexisting Dionysus cult with the Jewish religion and wham! Christianity. Both were quite popular, and the combo was dynamite.

[@supremo7217]

The Greeks just made Dionysus as an excuse to DRINK 🍻. You got to be kidding. 😂

[@jordanfuller4160]

who has proven to be reliable by his sinless life, his amazing moral/ethical teachings, and ultimately by his resurrection from the dead. So I ask you: why do you believe what you do and what are your reasons for believing that it's true?

[@jordanfuller4160]

Because lots of people witness something doesn't mean that what they saw is true, it just means that we should take their claim seriously and investigate it. "You haven't met the burden of proof"...don't you mean that I haven't met YOUR burden of proof? Friend, no ancient historical claim could meet your proof when you set the bar at something so unreasonable. The resurrection isn't a scientific claim: it's historical. Eyewitness testimony is great evidence, especially when the allies and

[@jordanfuller4160]

missing out on someone so amazing and magnificent that he HIMSELF came to earth to buy us back because of the sin we committed that separated us from Him to begin with. Seriously man, what is the purpose of your life, according to your worldview, and what hope do you have that is much better than Jesus Christ? I would truly love to hear your answer.

[@robfield-n7v]

Numbers 6:24-26, Deute. 28, Joshua 1:7-8 Matthew 6:9-15 & 12:31-32 Romans 10:9-13, 11 Peter 3:9,

[@IBenZik]

This girl is kicking a dead horse.

[@pencintahewan234]

What's the meaning of that idiom?

[@TreenighetMaranata]

From the point it happens that Jesus with His Holy Spirit kick start a human being from withing there is no more doubt when it comes to His existens. A true new born by Jesus Christ is a person which has gone through the baptism of fire! A person who only decide to believe with their head knowledge can believe one day and another is change his or her mind, because they have never truly invited Jesus and His Holy Spirit to truly wake them up, who becomes His people, those who become to know Him, whom He reveal Himself to, who knocking until Jesus Holy Spirit open a persons inner door up and in the invitation from the individual makes his home in the specific person! Jesus is the only One who truly has the power to make us totally new in Him! A true seeker is humble and open minded in his / her search for answer, a one who is not is close minded at the same time as they always knows best no matter the amount of evidence!

[@jordanfuller4160]

It doesn't matter if they met Jesus or not! What difference would it make anyway? Their writings only bolster the case for the resurrection of Jesus because they lie outside the Bible; the truthfulness of the event doesn't lie solely with their historical writings. Also, I have been using the Gospels as historical narratives, and that is not circular logic. We have good reasons to believe in the resurrection of Jesus because the Gospels have been reliably preserved, are consistent with the rest

[@jordanfuller4160]

enemies of Christ agree on the SAME EXACT THING: that the tomb was empty on the 3rd day and that Jesus physically rose from the dead. You may attack me all you want, but know this: when you do that, you are really going after Jesus Christ, who loves you and me to the point of death, which he displayed on the cross. The hope found in Jesus is for you, me, and everyone. Where does your hope lie?

[@joshuaallen8682]

Dah GOAT

[@jordanfuller4160]

historical evidence that does matter; any reasonable thinking person cannot ignore it. You mentioned Josephus: he was a 1st century historian and his reporting on Jesus is very close to the events to where we can trust the. Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, Suetonius, among others all mention Jesus and they are apart of the historical record outside the Bible that supports Jesus Christ, not to mention archaeology as well.

[@dogan6070]

You're getting logical with these student they're not that bright.

[@dr.curiousinsearch4knowled898]

People are so dedicated to deny Jesus Christ and to argue against the Gospel that they refuse to acknowledge how stupid their argument is.

[@jordanfuller4160]

that the evidence is sufficient enough to explain a given event. The evidence for the resurrection of Christ is more than sufficient and thus it's very reasonable to place our trust in what the disciples we're saying: that Jesus had risen from the dead.

[@gingercake0907]

I love these young people. You cannot wrap your mind around God because God is omniscient, infinite knowledge. The human mind isn’t capable of grasping infinite knowledge. God has allowed man a glimpse of what He is and quite frankly too many of us can’t handle the small glimpse so we refuse to accept Him. God doesn’t require us to have infinite knowledge of Him. If you are waiting for infinite knowledge you are going to miss God altogether.

[@Creationcreed]

@Cougar139tweak Who sees the real color of the shirt? Saying something is unknowable is a scape goat... to me, that kind of mindset keeps people in the dark floating in midair, and abandoning truth altogether. You can know, and get answers for important things in life. I believe you can know most things if you seek it.

[@jordanfuller4160]

I did not lie about anything; the historians mentioned wrote about Jesus as a historical figure based on the well-known information at the time that Jesus said this, did that, etc. You mention that no court would admit this evidence..if a court was investigating the claim that Jesus rose from the dead, then asking the original eyewitnesses of the event would be the logical choice. The thing is, we know what these disciples were claiming from the beginning: that Jesus had risen from the dead!

[@jordanfuller4160]

I have already stated that historians did write about Jesus in the 1st and 2nd centuries, Josephus was one of them; this is part of the historical record indicating Jesus as a real, historical person. To deny this is being intellectually dishonest and avoids the obvious facts of the case. The Gospels are also apart of that historical record and were written 20-60 years after the resurrection of Jesus, which taken in the ancient historical context, is very very close to the events in question.

[@mackdmara]

She thought she KNEW that All eyewitness testimony is not acceptable as facts. I understand her viewpoint, but that understanding is off base. It assumes that a forty day period of sightings of one person (one of over 500 people), is the same as a few hundred years of unrelated sightings of unknown objects (that may be natural phenomena). Is the level of evidence present the same? No! One guy or two, seeing an unknown object, one time, coupled with any & All other accounts of unknown objects, regardless of comparability of the sightings, is Not the same as all the combined accounts (more than 500 people) of seeing one person over a forty day period. In the first case you are clearly NOT talking about one unknown object. In the second it is one known person. In the first, it is spread over a few hundred years. In the case of Christ, it is a forty day period. There is no confirmed link between the objects in the first, & a confirmed link in the second. That is apples & oranges. Both are sightings, that is as far as they go in being comparable. She needs to evaluate case by case, not throw out cased because she does not like the conclusions the facts point to.

[@factenter6787]

If Weisenthal were a believer (he was not), he might have encouraged the SS man to reconcile with God while he still had breath in his lungs. He needed to confess all his sins to God and repent of any residual hatred he might have been harboring against Jews and others. Perhaps if he had heard the true Gospel like his countryman Dietrich Bonhöffer, he may have never become a Nazi in the 1st place

[@jordanfuller4160]

ancient history could hope to accomplish. So I would like to know then what is your explanation for the resurrection of Jesus? The disciples profound, radical transformation that sent them going everywhere proclaiming that Jesus is Lord and that he rose from the dead? Paul, the persecutor of Christians, why did he of all people have a sudden turnaround and go to his death preaching that Jesus is God's Son? Please, share your evidence that is obviously better than all the evidence given so far.

[@jordanfuller4160]

The limitation you are giving for historical evidence outside the Bible is way too strict and unnecessary. One does not have to meet someone physically in order to write an account of that person. That's what eyewitness testimony is for: to get direct information from those who saw and interacted with the person in question. What's more, we can trust these eyewitness accounts because they are so close to the events themselves and the manuscript evidence for the Gospels is very numerous, so we

[@javiercintronrivera5139]

why does it bother you so much? your frustration results in anger. how about a simple compare and contrast.. compare Christ believers as a whole and you will see who lives a full more meaningful life.. if you live here for a limited time why not seek happiness and peace in your heart before anything else. When you truly find it I will like you to respond. That is when u wake up every morning thankful that your still alive.

[@knxcholx]

Iyiyi....I could have only repeated my point so many times to her, before I just stopped trying. There comes a point where a discussion is futile

[@jordanfuller4160]

historical evidence supports what the Gospels report and they are not too late to be considered reliable information. Legends take much much longer to develop; there were still lots of eyewitnesses around who saw the risen Jesus because Jesus appeared to LOTS of people, not just his disciples, and 1 Corinthians 15 tells us this was the case. The resurrection of Christ is one of the best attested ancient historical events in history. If you're going to dispute me, why don't you give me a better

[@jordanfuller4160]

but you have not given me better reasons to doubt the resurrection of Christ. The reason I have continued this discussion with you is because I believe there is truth to be found in the fantastic historical event of Jesus Christ. I hope you will open your mind to the possibility that all of this is true because if you do, then we can have a real discussion that has life-changing implications. I have faith in Christ, based on the evidence, and he has given me eternal hope. What faith do you have

[@nosuchthing8]

If there IS a god, it would be childs play for him to know about our concerns with eyewitness contemporary accounts to mark things as being true. Not only is it key to courtroom testimony (imagine if someone went to a judge and testified that he heard that you had commited a crime 50 years ago from a friend of a friend). Sorry, Yahweh is ridiculous or a poor planner.

[@yohannesgizachew8844]

Bro, don't foul yourself observe your surrounding God is real

[@nosuchthing8]

Cliffe has lost every single of these 'debates' that are masquerading as pompous lectures.

[@georgedoyle7971]

“Cliffe has lost every single of these debates” Sorry (Stone Fallacy).

[@nosuchthing8]

Outside the bible. If you are bothering to pay attention, this is the key mistake you make over and over and over again. Not a single person outside the bible bothers to write about Jesus who could have met him. And at the time most people were NOT christians, obviously. Funny how so many people wrote sbout Jesus decades after he died though. I guess they had a huge explosion in education just in time to talk about Jesus AFTER he died. (Heavy sarcasm). Almost like he was a legend.....

[@gingercake0907]

Those people who claimed they saw flying saucers wouldn’t die for that claim because they know it’s a lie. They’d be backing up off of it, saying well I couldn’t see clearly or a cloud got in the way. 😆 The apostles died doubling down on Jesus Christ instead of the Emperor of Rome. They saw the resurrected Christ, they touched Him. They had been with Him for three years. They watched Him heal people, raise people from the dead. They listened to Him teach and watched how the hypocritical religious right of that day attacked Him. They knew Jesus wasn’t a hypocrite or a liar. Michael Cohan is an example of a person who isn’t going to lie for a liar, Trump. He has decided that if he goes down it won’t be for a lie or the likes of Trump. Now I’m no fan of Michael Cohan , but you know what they say “ rats leave a sinking ship “.

[@nosuchthing8]

And the main reason you should consider the bible as mythology is because it HAS mythology in it - unicorns are all over the bible. And it really doesn't matter if it was a translation error, because you can't claim that some supernatural hand has guided the bible and at the same time admit there are obvious errors!

[@Sammy.Bear.King1234]

Yeah have you read how they described the unicorn

[@sabrinahawley1994]

I miss the old theme song🥲

[@nosuchthing8]

None of your "evidence" would be admissable to court. Thanks for bolstering my atheism. LOL.

[@nosuchthing8]

Ok, lets back up. You lied just then. All the evidence of the historians is HEARSAY evidence; not a court in the land would admit it. They all lived LONG after Jesus died. In addition, the statute of limitations would be exceeded. Peoples memories fade. I'm not going any further unless you admit you lied.

[@aidenhutto5969]

Was Ganges Kahn real?? Where is his body?? You can’t prove by science he exists or, so what??

[@IBenZik]

Science says nothing scientist do.

[@jordanfuller4160]

Look friend, ad hominem arguments are not the way to respond in our discussion, first of all. You haven't even answered the questions I posed to you, such as the disciples' transformation, or even why you believe what you do. Second, if this discussion has been a waste of time, why bother arguing with me then? Why post all the comments you have if it's all a waste of time? The thing is, I don't think this is a waste of time because I care about you, as a person, and think that you are really

[@jordanfuller4160]

of the historical evidence, and the resurrection of Jesus Christ is the best explanation for the empty tomb, the radical transformation of the disciples that sent them to their deaths proclaiming that Jesus had risen from the dead, and the massive growth of the church. These are historical facts, not myths or legends; to claim otherwise is being intellectually dishonest, I'm sorry. We all have faith/believe in something: I have chosen to place my faith in this evidence, in the person of Jesus

[@nosuchthing8]

"No other alternative explanation can sufficiently explain the given facts in the historical record". FALSE. There is NO historical record of Jesus. No historian of the time wrote about him, no contemporarys wrote aboout him. And the writers of the gospels didn't bother to write about Jesus until many decades after Jesus died. And the gospels do not agree on key facts.

[@nosuchthing8]

So all you got is hearsay evidence? (Because I'm not even going to consider using the bible to prove the bible true. Completely inadmissable). You lose.

[@ericscaillet2232]

Cliff and first student seemed to be debating past each other and both were right ,however what she missed to ask is how do we know those witness account were reported correctly ,what record is there outside the bible that they existed ,Cliff keep on saying 500 witnesses ,who are they?hence not the content of the claim but the source of it that could still be verifiable ,please educate.

[@nosuchthing8]

Funny no one that COULD have seen it with their OWN EYES AND EARS bothered to write about it huh? Well outside the bible. LOL

[@nosuchthing8]

Love how stupid this "show" is. You ask for answers, all you get is propaganda and lies. No one ever bothered to write about Jesus during his life (outside the small circle of believers). So God, if he exists, is an amazinlgy poor planner. All we need is ONE person around that time to have remarked about this Jesus religion. All of them, like Josephus, remarked abotu Jesus long after Jesus had died. It's as if these people have never even heard of hearsay testimony.

[@nosuchthing8]

People, now as then, LOVED Fantasy stories like Harry Potter etc. and once a story became popular, there was no reason for people to milk it for all it was worth. It doesn't mean there are no good morals to be drawn from Harry Potter or the bible. But only the foolish believe in the literal truth of books that have unicorns in them, which HP and the bible both do!

[@JB-ol1po]

Comparing Christ to Harry Potter? Please tell me more oh wisest of men on earth 😅

[@TreenighetMaranata]

She is totally; I truly don't want to believe what evidence points to. Only a fool is saying in his / her heart: There is no God!

[@nosuchthing8]

Sorry, dude. Not a single person outside the small circle of believers talked about Jesus who could have met him. Not one. Josephus, for example, was born long after Jesus died. There is zero historical evidence that matters, and you can't use a religious book to prove that book true. Otherwise hinduism, Budhism, Mormonism would all be true. Sorry, you are profoundly iognorant. Adios.

[@hospitalsgivingpatientsdan8894]

RUDE PEOPLE WHO CAN NOT LISTEN SELFISH

[@dperkins01]

This man doesn't listen he just screams assertions louder than the students can talk. I have watched cliffe debate several people, and he fails horribly with weak arguments.

[@mjfraser04]

This is embarrassing.

[@6Anillos]

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[@felipexavierdefranca4555]

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