First question is why do we thank God when life is fair. Same reason we attribute sunlight to the sun -- the sun is its source, and God is the source of all happiness and pleasure. We don't blame the sun for darkness, and we don't blame God for our suffering because he doesn't cause our suffering -- we do.
@abbecomer294012 жыл бұрын
Cliffe is amazing. I wish I was as brave and knowledgeable as he is to talk like this in University.
@InvestigadorTJ10 жыл бұрын
When a xtian says he loves you it doesn't mean that it's a careless description but instead it is a combination of honesty, genuine consideration of you for the good and meaning that we consider happiness and protection to protect your rational and the meaning behind your life and MORE
@chawkz13 жыл бұрын
brilliant dialogue Cliffe
@cristobaldelacruz1428 жыл бұрын
one name above all names.
@lsubslimed8 жыл бұрын
At times it just seems as if Cliffe forgets to put forth some of the best evidences (which he mentions all the time) that support the existence of a theistic God. There were a number different ways I feel he could have easily responded to the second guy who spoke about nature "choosing" the best species etc. As he usually does, why not just simply ask the guy where he thinks nature itself came from in the first place!?" 😐 Lol. Space, time and matter cannot and do not create themselves, therefore a spaceless, timeless, immaterial, creative (because He created) and thinking (because He 'chose' to create) Being had to be the "cause" of the universe. Is it not more rational and logical to believe that God created the universe via a "big bang" than it is to believe that everything just came out of nothing (which is an oxymoron in and of itself)? FWIW, gravity is not "nothing", it is a physical law of "nature", so gravity cannot create the universe/ nature, as it IS part of the created universe/ nature... natural laws are not "nothing". Energy is matter as well, at least physical energy is (as opposed to Gods Spirit as energy), so energy is also part of the creaTION and not one of the other "nothings" that some believe caused the universe to come into existence. Anyway, I really enjoy listening to your discussions, Cliffe! Grace be with you brother! 🙂
@jaquicx95008 ай бұрын
Lol 7 years later and this is still something I sometimes wonder, too. Maybe God has him forget so that we get motivated to try ourselves! 😂
@gingercake09075 ай бұрын
You do realize these are excerpts not the full video. My question for you is what evidence do you have of the invisible attributes of God? “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse.” Romans 1:20. I have studied the Bible since I was twenty and I am saved for 49 years and I found that Jesus is not a liar or a hypocrite. He did exactly what He said He would do. Men are hypocritical liars but God is not a man and therefore has none of the weaknesses and unrighteousness of man. “ God is NOT a man that He should lie, nor the son of a man that He should repent. Has He said, and will He not do? Or has He spoken, and will He not make it good?” Numbers 23:19.
@emmanuelarthur976812 жыл бұрын
good cliffe,you are amazing and may god give you more foresight,i wish you could once to make it to university of ghana,mercy be upon all mockers
@peterosudar16364 жыл бұрын
A gift.
@Bak3dB3an11 жыл бұрын
I think the answer is love. If you love humbling yourself, that's a good one :) If you love to learn how to be humble and have dignity that's also great.
@MoralDecay11 жыл бұрын
18:46 Cliffe's face "How do I reach theeessseee kiiiddddssss"
@Siscast13 жыл бұрын
poor guy. It's amazing how students just gobble up what are taught in a classroom without any questioning or reasoning.
@Chocolateman11611 жыл бұрын
Great Video.
@HeyoitsAlvaro3 жыл бұрын
Where could i ask questions online?
@michaelk73483 жыл бұрын
Maybe on Facebook when a show is live like Catholic Answers
@sakigiagkos5 жыл бұрын
I found the moment in 16:18 HILARIOUS!
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
That is completely untrue. You are underestimating the catastrophic consequences of the fine tuning parameters being altered. Let's just take the rate of expansion of the early universe as one example. If the rate of expansion were even a hair less than it was, the universe would have collapsed back onto itself, or if the rate of expansion were a hair more the universe would have expanded too fast for matter to ever come together to form stars and planets, thus removing even the possibility for
@nitraiders11712 жыл бұрын
You need to make a Facebook page so I can like and share it to my friends!
@lighthouseacademy52493 жыл бұрын
The big bang is a theory. If you believe that God created, then could you not believe God created everything in 6 days? All things are possible with God.
@jelly73102 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I don't understand how Cliff believes in the big bang theory and the earth is billions of years old. That's one big thing I disagree with him about.
@sethspackys97797 ай бұрын
@@jelly7310what is your theory? Genuine reliable scientists using radiometric data can conclude the earth is billions of years old, is it more reasonable to conclude that the tried and tested reliable science is a lie, or a hoax? Or to conclude that God, outside of time or space, does not experience time the same way we do, and that 1 day to God could be 650 million years perhaps? Because if not, in the words of cliffe, "you're up a creek without a paddle on that one"
@greasemonkeygaragesd3 жыл бұрын
What's the name of the song?
@ParaguayanTree13 жыл бұрын
I love the theme tune, but still less sold on "Cliffe's final thoughts" Jerry Springer style. Love his dialogues though! Wow! Awesome stuff Cliffe.
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
us the rich and diverse ecosystems we survive in on this planet.
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
life to have a planet to evolve on. We aren't talking about our atmosphere merely have a different set or ratio of gasses in it, in which obviously another form of life could theoretically evolve in. The consequences of the parameters changing would lead to there not even being matter, not even being chemistry. Or not even being a universe at all, beyond a singularity.
@igobydubri7 ай бұрын
It’s like nails on a chalkboard to hear the adaptation evolutionary theory applied to the discussion of the origin of the universe , and that very disconnect is why it seems like Cliffe and this young man aren’t talking about the same thing.
@bonnie43uk7 жыл бұрын
Cliffe mentioned about the problem of suffering in regards to children dying of terrible diseases, and spoke about the answer being that they will spend eternity in heaven, but that doesn't really address the core issue of *why* they suffer in the first place? Surely it can't be due to 'The fall of man', why punish an innocent child or baby for something they had nothing to do with? If a man commits a terrible crime, he is quite rightly punished, but we don't punish his family or his future generations. That is wrong.
@michaelk73483 жыл бұрын
If I make a free will decision to drink and drive and run someone over it’s not because the person I ran over did something wrong.
@bonnie43uk3 жыл бұрын
@@michaelk7348 Hi Michael, that isn't the argument I'm making. You are absolutely right, our actions have consequences, I have a responsibility to myself and to society to act in such a way that I don't harm others. You don't need a God to tell you what is good or bad, we are more than capable of working that out for ourselves. If I drink and drive, and hit someone .. that is entirely upon me to accept responsibility and to take any punishment that comes my way. Here's where it gets bizarre though, if I kill your wife and kids in a hit and run car accident because of my selfish decision to drink and drive, and I get away with it, years later, I become a born again Christian, and genuinely ask for Gods forgiveness for my sins, .. according to the New Testament, if I am genuine in my acceptance of Jesus, and I am sincere in my repentence for my sins ... he *will* forgive me, and I *will* go to heaven. Is that fair that I've killed your wife and kids, and not suffered *any* punishment? Now I'm not saying eternal punishment would be worthy and just punishment, .. i think that is evil. But neither is receiving no punishment. Where is God's fair and balanced punishment system? It would be good to get your thoughts on that.
@matthewhawthorne84115 ай бұрын
Suffering In the Bible is the most interesting to me especially the book of job. There’s this idea tossed around that the fear of god is the bases of wisdom but what does that mean. It means being humble is the bases not that god is a god of fear. And wisdom and suffering are tied very closely in the Bible.
@InvestigadorTJ10 жыл бұрын
God bless you reader :) Jesus might not have seen you face to face, yet he still took action for you and me thinking for his present time and even the future generations (us and your kids)
@belong2christ113 жыл бұрын
another great vid :)
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
The exquisite fine tuning of the universe for intelligent life points towards the intention that the universe was designed for life to exist, and through the revelation in Jesus Christ, it shows that we most certainly ARE here for a purpose, and we have meaning and value. Now this is obviously a conditional claim - that IF, IF the universe was designed for our existence, and the revelation of Christ is correct, I think it's painfully clear that we obviously have purpose and are important. But
@JasonAndOwen12 жыл бұрын
because it reminds u of a 90s kid tv show theme or somethin.. lol
@thesonofelohim11 жыл бұрын
Never ending source of sources! "just the latest in a never ending series of expansion and compression cycles." I guess the better question is; is there anything that exist that did not have a beginning?
@megawolf713 жыл бұрын
I love watching Cliffe break it down but that beginning theme song is so annoying. Don't know why I just don't like it.
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
If u r referring to Genesis 1, there is no account for the age of the universe, despite the common perception. Genesis in it's original Hebrew that it was written is a much more subtle and stylized message than the scientific interpretation of 6 day 24 hour literal creation than the English translation gives the impression of. I don't think one is bound at all to 6 24 hour day creation, nor to the 6000 year age of the universe implied by the genealogy in Genesis and Exodus. Not in the slightest.
@mackdmara6 жыл бұрын
First, he states Cliffe is wrong about it being design or chance, & then states it is chance that made us what we are. Did he self reflect on that while he was in line? We all shoot ourselves in the foot at times, but please kid, think. You are better than that. God Bless
@WolfySnackrib66612 жыл бұрын
It would be nice to see this Christian apologist go up against an adult that knows his way around this sort of thing, someone like Matt Dillahunty, rather than go up against college kids. Just because you go to college doesn't make you an authority on all faculties.
@russellkumar11778 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ talked about the creation of the male and female and also the most important old testament characters like Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, David, Solomon and queen of Sheba. He raised a man, a boy and a girl to life. Claims he is the life giver. He was with God from the beginning. The world was made through Jesus Christ. Sin has deformed us but Jesus came to transform the body, soul, and the spirit and our twisted minds too. see www.gotquestions.org
@thesonofelohim11 жыл бұрын
ahh but fire light and heat can not be created without a source
@jm77100011 жыл бұрын
Wow ... were you there when the big bang happened?
@HELLisREAL91111 жыл бұрын
Your answer is in the first 2 or 3 chapters of 1st Corinthians. It will explain why God chooses the foolish things of this world to confound the wise...why not many noble, not many mighty by the standards of THIS world are called...It is all covered there. If you are logical, go read it and without a bias
@lighthouseacademy52493 жыл бұрын
If God is God, then He can give us and sustained His Word for us to know Him.
@dannylinc62472 жыл бұрын
The reason for this life is not to just listen to estimation and theory, finding the evidence of creation and completing a puzzle. It is to realize the creation has a creator who has made all things including us. You're not a more successful improving monkey. There is a difference in your DNA. Everything is breaking down and not becoming more improved. Entropy is the "natural law" that describes it. There was a beginning and there will be an end and it is for a purpose. We have had the voice of God speak and witnesses heard Him and wrote about it. God has given us His word to help us improve ourselves but most of us are not reading it.
@Bak3dB3an11 жыл бұрын
The universe being old I don't think is very consistent with God's account for creation. The stretching of the heavens, time space and matter and the 7 day creation are very close together. The reason billion light years turns into literal billion years is because they make a connection that light acts the same here as it does in deep space. Actually light travels fast in deep space and slower here. So it seems like billions of years when it's not.
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington
@Valanor113 жыл бұрын
why is eternity viable?
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
You are thinking of God as if He is like a human engineer, who has restrictions on time and resources. But what if God were more like an artist? One who enjoys the act of creation? And when you think of God as an artist that has unlimited time and unlimited resources at His disposal, there is no reason that the process of evolution couldn't have been used to bring us about. And it's quite likely that the process of evolution from start to finish is absolutely essential in every respect, to give
@Bak3dB3an11 жыл бұрын
One point to make is that, if you think God used evolution to create us, that's an irrational belief. Why would God need millions of yrs when he could just make mature adults in seconds?
@WolfySnackrib66612 жыл бұрын
What would you call him, grown-ass man? That's fine too I guess. Also is your username a reference to the quote from Lord of the Rings, "There is only one lord of the rings, only one..."
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
Read Nietzsche, Russell, Sarte, Kamu - any one of dozens of atheist philosophers who already understand the implications of God not existing.
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
So given the conditional claim that IF God exists, then we are important and have purpose and value, vs if God does NOT exist, then we do not, you need to give justification for your support of the 2nd option in that conditional, just like I give support for my belief in the 1st option of the conditional. You can't just assume God doesn't exist, and let that guide your conclusion. There needs to be argumentation provided to support your conclusion.
@jm77100011 жыл бұрын
really? ... so why arnt scientist mixing bio chemicals to re-create such reactions and create life ? ... you make it sound so easy .. Mr. Know It all?
@Bak3dB3an11 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see Cliffe make a connection to the white collar stealing and lying we see today, the separation gap between rich and poor and how this is basically the base for the world's suffering today. And how loving God above all things (following his commands) and loving your neighbor as yourself will make us live in a utopia. The paradigm doesn't have to be stealing to get ahead or to succeed. This is not true. Collective success; Win Wins are always better.
@davidplummer247311 ай бұрын
You speak as if God's purpose is to bow to Karl Marx and make people's material or economic condition the ultimate focus of existence.
@EHenterprises Жыл бұрын
Treason against God? Doing exactly something that he knew we were going to do. Big difference.
@matthewhawthorne84115 ай бұрын
We are all free willed we all are responsible with what we do with free will anyone can be perfect yet no one does. He didn’t determine us we choose to go against him that’s why it’s treason
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
They are coherent, you just need to listen. Obviously I have been speaking about the God revealed by Jesus Christ, which is clearly not a deistic concept of God. And I think it's obvious, that if God (so revealed by Christ) exists, we obviously have purpose and meaning. Now the other side of the conditional, if God does not exist, and we are the mere accident of nature in a mindless universe, destined to die individually and collectively in the heat death of the universe, how on Earth do you
@dragaoastro6911 жыл бұрын
came from nothing and created their one rules??? You want me to believe that the dna code does not need a programer???
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
This is a conditional claim - if the universe was not fine tuned, if Christ was a fraud and God does not exist, then obviously we are insignificant. But your comment "Each of us is of no more importance in the Cosmos, than a single atom in one grain of sand on the beaches of Earth" is a conclusion that is reached purely on the basis of your presupposition that there is no God, I don't see any justification for thinking that is true, in fact there are arguments that show it is NOT true.
@WolfySnackrib66612 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I'll settle for anyone of intelligence really. Videos like this are quite unfair.
@WolfySnackrib66612 жыл бұрын
Are you sure you're not too busy for that because of all the talking to imaginary friends that you've been doing?
@CJBlake-ym6ky2 жыл бұрын
what caused God?
@matthewhawthorne84115 ай бұрын
Do you understand what the word eternal means. Something has to be eternal nothing can’t make everything. So it’s either the universe that’s eternal or a god or gods that are
@MegaSleep19 жыл бұрын
if u can't blame god when life is unfair why should u thank him when it is. Well put question bro
@mackdmara6 жыл бұрын
Kevin Walker Life is not fair. You are always ahead or behind. So when you say 'fair', you mean, 'In my favor.', & 'unfair' is, 'Not in my favor.'. Even if it is bad for you & you think it just, that is still in favor of your viewpoint. How can you know what you deserve? If there is no God, you deserve nothing! That is what the Universe owes you, & all it has promised you. You cannot have absolutes, like fairness, in a subjective system. It is irrational.
@thesonofelohim11 жыл бұрын
I think you are a creationist in disguise, Do you claim there are never ending sources? Or was there a beginning?
@dragaoastro6911 жыл бұрын
Atheism does not raises the iq. Men far inteligente than you were christians in the past and top intelectuals of the present are also folowers of Christ. So you are making a poor image of yourself. "Atheism is aristocratic; the idea of a great Being that watches over oppressed innocence and punishes triumphant crime is altogether popular." Robespiere Nothing new here: you think of yourself as superior and more inteligente than religious human beings. Educate yourself.
@jm77100011 жыл бұрын
You sure do use the same sentences and words in all your arguments. Do read all these arguments from some atheist bible?
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
And your woeful ignorance of the literature comes shining through. I'm done.
@InvestigadorTJ10 жыл бұрын
When a xtian says he loves you it doesn't mean that it's a careless description but instead it is a combination of honesty, genuine consideration of you for the good and meaning that we consider happiness and protection to protect your rational and the meaning behind your life and MORE
@MenOfVirtue11 жыл бұрын
The exquisite fine tuning of the universe for intelligent life points towards the intention that the universe was designed for life to exist, and through the revelation in Jesus Christ, it shows that we most certainly ARE here for a purpose, and we have meaning and value. Now this is obviously a conditional claim - that IF, IF the universe was designed for our existence, and the revelation of Christ is correct, I think it's painfully clear that we obviously have purpose and are important. But
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington
@TruthTeller87811 жыл бұрын
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH..... The Lord God Jesus said, "But he answered, and said, I am not sent, but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~HOLY BIBLE (Matthew 15:24). Jesus was sent to Earth for only the lost sheep of the house of Israel ! Who do you think the 'lost sheep of the house of Israel' are ???? Who are the race / tribe of people that have shared the truth of Jesus more than any other? Black people, white people, yellow people? Private Investigator Sinne U.S.A. Washington