Give Me an Answer - Do We Create Reality or Did God Create Reality?

[@BerishaFatian]

I love how when Stuart talks, Cliffe just looks at him feeling proud of how smart he is.

[@yokiryuchan7655]

Stuart is a lot more calm and easy going. Cliffe can sometimes come on way too strong and argumentative and that puts people off.

[@mzakon1]

@@yokiryuchan7655 yeah sometimes that’s required though with stubborn college students.

[@yokiryuchan7655]

@@mzakon1 I agree, sometimes college students can be incredibly arrogant. They have barely finished puburty and already think they know everything lol. They can come off as very smart, but all they are doing is just regurgitating what their professor taught them which isn't smart at all. Anyone can do that. So sometimes yes, Someone like Cliffe needs to put them in their place. But there are times are more calming approach is more effective.

[@BerishaFatian]

@@yokiryuchan7655 Well he's old. Old people usually gets heated more easily.

[@honestly_7724]

@Yo Kiryu Chan!!!! if you think he comes on too strong, you need to watch more. John the Baptist was a hellfire preacher and the Bible says he was one of the best to do it.

[@tcarr349]

There is something healthy in these conversations. Believers and nonbelievers alike. I appreciate everyone’s comments. I’m grateful for the insight!

[@bonnie43uk]

Darn tootin' 🙂

[@Jaryism]

It's... insanity though. Look at the arrogance in this Jacob kid at the end. He's completely morally bankrupt, he's accepted there's no moral absolutes to ANYTHING in life, he's cocky and knows little to nothing about theology and philosophy, and by the smug look on his face at the end he's incredibly PROUD of it. And this isn't even the exception these days, snotty kids like him are the norm in college, just a bunch of arrogant kids raised to be Relativists and hate God and are proud of it. THe future looks very grim indeed.

[@Disciple793]

It's evident that this young man is intelligent, but his facial expressions and body language, for example shaking his leg is either a sign of nervousness or agitation. At least he had the self-control to stay engaged rather than walking off. That's admirable. Thank you Cliffe and Stuart for sharing the Gospel of Christ to the next generation. They desperately need it.

[@bonnie43uk]

The students don't come across to me as being in desperate need of the Gospel, they all seem quite content and able to hold rational conversations.

[@mzakon1]

@@bonnie43uk everyone is in desperate need of the gospel no matter how intelligent. A lot of times it’s the intelligent ones that need it most. Their minds have become their god.

[@davidplummer2473]

Everyone who doesn't know they're about to get a terminal diagnosis from the doctor or die in a collision with a drunk driver are content and able to hold conversations. So what?

[@maikatupua8228]

Love this father and son combo... keep preaching keep growing

[@InfoArtistJKatTheGoodInfoCafe]

The patience of a saint or an elder. Those determined to misunderstand, like this kid, will.

[@YaboiSlendeR]

Thanks for posting these, love watching the interactions between worldviews. All Glory goes unto God! Blessings to you fellow brothers!

[@tommytomtom320]

TRY TO ANSWER THE CONTRADICTIONS IN THE BIBLE QUESTIONS The Bible is an Unreliable Authority Because it Contains Numerous Contradictions. Logically, if two statements are contradictory, at least one of them is False. The Biblical Contradictions therefore prove that the Book has many False Statements and is Not Reliable and is Not Infallible. Sorry but that's How Evidence and Truth Works... So Why Many Contradictions?... NOW TRY TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION... There are more than 4,600 Religions, worldwide, with thousands of Gods. They’re all Claiming to be the one True Religion, following the One True God. Either Only one Religion is True or all Religions are False? How can all Religions be True? “No amount of Evidence will Ever Persuade an Ignorant Person.”

[@YaboiSlendeR]

@@tommytomtom320 Uh... Respectfully you didn't give ONE example of contradiction for me or others to address. Also yes, there are many religions in the world. They all cant be right because they contradict each other. It's a question of where the evidence points to on who is reliable and trustworthy to tell me about God. Historical evidence of eyewitnesses being murdered claiming to see Christ physically risen from death points to him being reliable because its what he promised. His tomb is empty til this day. Hope this helps!

[@tommytomtom320]

@@YaboiSlendeR Bible's Contradictions: 1) Earth Being 6000 Years Old... 2) The Earth Being Flat... 3) Earth Being The Center Of The Universe... 4) The Sun Revolves Around The Earth... 5) Noah's Ark, The Building and Cargo... 6)The Story of Adam and Eve... The Biblical Contradictions therefore prove that the Book has many False Statements and That's Just 6... There Are Over 700 Contradictions... Logically, if Two Statements are Contradictory, at Least One of Them is False. The Biblical Contradictions Therefore Prove That The Book Has Many False Statements and is Not Reliable and is Not Infallible. Sorry but that's How Evidence and Truth Works “No amount of Evidence will Ever Persuade an Ignorant Person.”

[@tommytomtom320]

@@YaboiSlendeR Citation Burr, William Henry, 1819-1908, “Self contradictions of the Bible: 144 propositions, theological, moral, historical, and speculative; each proved affirmatively and negatively by Quotations from scripture. Without comment; embodying the most palpable and striking self-contradictions of the so-called inspired Word of God,” Do the Research... YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF THE BIBLE AND DO REAL RESEARCH... IF YOU DO YOU WILL SEE THE BIBLE IS NOT THE TRUTH BUT FARE FROM IT... I Feel Sorry For You Being Trapped in a Ancient Biblical “Mind Control” Box... Shut Out From Reality, and The Truth... Not Living in The Present Time and Reality... “No amount of Evidence will Ever Persuade an Ignorant Person.”

[@upclosepersonal]

My BOYZ at ACTION. these kids need the Word of God more then ever these days.

[@colinmatts]

How do you know what the word og god is?

[@Edward-bm7vw]

God isn't real though

[@Artanis15]

@@Edward-bm7vwhe always loves you

[@mikeramos91]

The last kid was consistent with the point Cliffe explained to him, but it won't be long before that consistency is broken. Because it's impossible to live out

[@mikeramos91]

@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 did you not understand the point cliffe made in the last minute of the video?

[@Jaryism]

He's actually... insane though. He's smugly and arrogantly proud of the fact that today it might be this thing, tomorrow it might be another thing, 'cause everything is Relative and there's no moral absolutes. That's what rubs me the wrong way, that this dipshit just barely got to college and knows little to nothing he's probably been in class a week and he's just so full of himself right off the bat with no respect to a scholar like Cliffe who's been discussing this for like 30+ years... there's not a SINGLE part of his mind that thinks "gee, I should stay humble this guy might know something I dont", nope just cocky and proud of it. Stay dumb atheists.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@mikeramos91 I can answer that... NO, Sterling Falls Productions did NOT understand the point. It's sort of his thing.

[@mikeramos91]

@@robertmitchell8438 It wouldn't really change much as people are already living it out because people know basic right & wrong. There are some things that are harder to discern, but everybody intellectually knows basic right/wrong. Like if torturing babies for fun is wrong. Everyone knows that basic thing to be wrong. But the point Cliffe made - one day u prefer this & the next day you prefer the opposite. You're not wrong, it's just a taste. And the kid agreed with him (probably for the sake of being consistent), but we all know it's impossible to live out. Which means there has to be an objective standard beyond humanity. Otherwise Cliffe's point is totally valid.

[@mikeramos91]

@@robertmitchell8438 subjective would be different cuz people aren’t gonna let people subjectively go their way. It’s just not gonna work. Relative is different because it doesn’t matter what u do, whether u decide to do something today & then the opposite tomorrow, it’s all relative. That’s impossible to live out cuz no one will let that fly. The only one that makes more sense is objective morality where there’s a standard above us all. Everyone intellectually knows basic right/wrong & there’s a way things should be.

[@gersonbatres5826]

Ty for another fabulous upload :) God bless & take care!!!!

[@lark8356]

Grace and Peace to you. The unbeliever thinks he's correct in saying that no one has it correct. He defeated his own claim.

[@JamesRichardWiley]

If you don't know just say so.

[@lark8356]

@@JamesRichardWiley Right on. Just because I don't know doesn't mean that no one else does. I think an appeal of universal agnosticism is that it makes us more comfortable being ignorant.

[@_the_watcher_2089]

Do you (know) what you believe is 100% correct, or would you say that you (believe) that it is 100% correct.

[@lark8356]

@@_the_watcher_2089 Grace and Peace to you. Great question. I'd lean moreso to the latter option, but I'd need more specifics to camp there. For instance, I believe the original autograph of the Bible is 100% true, but I don't believe that my interpretation of the manuscripts and translations of the Bible is 100% true.

[@daekwonrose3160]

@@_the_watcher_2089 He’s beating around the bush & including apologetics. Jesus is the only, it’s 100% truth. Bottom line

[@wadetalent1440]

What an amazing man to speak up that woman had nothing to say or counter argue god is great ✝️

[@robyung3189]

Thank you for uploading

[@gdsgstar]

Cliffe seemed just a little bit annoyed today. But wow that first kid really requires great patience. Thank you guys for sowing seeds.

[@AlexanderTate.]

This is awesome. More please. God bless you all and those students too.

[@PoweredbyJESUS7]

For a quick chuckle look at 18:52 when the kids imitate Cliffe with there hands. That was pretty funny. His body language during these discussions are quite entertaining. I like the one on the steps in other videos where he raises his heel up on step and just stands there listing to kids say things that make no sense what so ever. Also hope this channel keeps going and going. People desperately need to hear the true Gospel/ Jesus. This younger generation could possibly be the most Godless in the history of America. Are you guys currently still going to colleges and will we see new content from 2022 or 2023? And if you do just a suggestion, The University of Miami Or University of Florida.

[@bonnie43uk]

It's been going over a decade HULK, it's not in danger of stopping. There are more and more non believers on here now though, i think thats a good thing as it makes for good debates, I'm sure Cliffe is more than happy debating students who ask him tricky questions. These recent videos are new content btw.

[@gsanchez5116]

Just watched that 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bany512]

I like his legendary forward lean, but the heel one is also good 😄

[@normacid5144]

I didn't find that funny. Those "kids" have no respect for Cliffe or themselves. I noticed them but went back to the topic at hand.

[@PoweredbyJESUS7]

@@normacid5144 Cliff even laughs at what the kids do sometimes. Several videos iv seen him burst out into laugher. So I’m sorry you didn’t find this funny but that’s your opinion. God bless ✝️.

[@Itsme-x5i]

I used to like watching these videos more. Maybe I've grown or maybe Cliff has regressed, but I see more and more Cliff domineering people, coming with an argumentative energy, misrepresenting arguments by others and going down tangents. I saw this especially with the second guy, Jacob, though Cliff matched the first guy's unfriendly energy. Cliff also goes into talking points even when they are only somewhat relevant to what is being talked about, which doesn't come across as very strong as far as discourse is concerned. Conversely, his son is excellent and, most importantly, comes off as friendly & approachable even in disagreement. Cliff may want to humble himself in mirror to how his son humbles himself. Thanks as always for putting these up.

[@JohnjOcampo]

A change of tone makes you get your panties in a bunch, don't let your cowardice get in the way of the truth.

[@aidanlarson5394]

I wouldn't necessarily say that we discover justice, rather, it is instilled within us due to being made in the image of God. If it were not instilled within us in the fiber of our being, we would not discover it or come up with it on our own. It simply "is".

[@Generatorman59]

I wouldn't necessarily say that we discover the number '3', rather, it is instilled within us due to being made in the image of the god 'Varnado'. If it were not instilled within us in the fiber of our being, we would not discover it or come up with it on our own. It simply "is". I wouldn't necessarily say that we discover 'compassion', rather, it is instilled within us due to being made in the image of the god 'Marmar'. If it were not instilled within us in the fiber of our being, we would not discover it or come up with it on our own. It simply "is". I wouldn't necessarily say that we discover 'evil', rather, it is instilled within us due to being made in the image of the god 'Jarpax'. If it were not instilled within us in the fiber of our being, we would not discover it or come up with it on our own. It simply "is".

[@JamesRichardWiley]

How can you be in the image of an invisible god? Invisible has no image.

[@tcarr349]

@@JamesRichardWiley How can you feel the wind on your face it to is invisible. Just because you don’t see it doesn’t mean it’s not there.

[@jasonnoble7302]

@@tcarr349 Actually we can see air and we can see it’s effects Gods do not have predictability like air does You can’t even logically determine what you mean by “God is good”. From the Christian perspective God allows evil. Why is it moral for God to allow evil bur the Christian God expects humans to intervene in the free will of those who would otherwise commit evil. What does it mean to say the Christian God is good ?

[@tcarr349]

@@jasonnoble7302 you can predict the air? We can also see the effect of dark matter…

[@christophersecreto5686]

Cliffe and Jacob feel like a play straight out of a sitcom. They start circling eachother and trying to win the audience with their performance. Maybe looked normal in real life but not through a camera 😂

[@TheFaustProject]

I find it to be the case more with Cliffe. They should be talking normally like if the camera wasn't there. The last part of the clip was a little embarrassing.

[@boltrooktwo]

There are value questions throughout many observable systems of reality. Why are families valuable? Why is it valuable to be complimentary to your environment and other beings? Why is honesty valuable? Why is character valuable? Why is hope valuable? They are all more consistent and plausibly answered if there is life after death where these things have consequence.

[@bonnie43uk]

i keep my thongs in my underwear drawer, they only come out on special occasions 😊

[@darasimijoo_childofGod]

Correct, my friend.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@bonnie43uk Those are uncomfortable. You caught my typo, maybe I’ll make less of those in the afterlife.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@boltrooktwo Heh, couldnt resist it boltrook. i and o are right next to eachother on the keyboard so it's an easy mostake to make 🙂

[@maikatupua8228]

It is amazing how American students sounds so smart yet philosophical and logically found wanting!

[@aboywhoseeksfreedom3015]

Stuart and Cliff are so underated🤣

[@thepherm]

Thank you again!

[@stevenvialpando8365]

He's just like his dad I love him. All he's missing is the stance😮

[@lilbasedboi]

These guys are two of the greatest Christian’s of our lifetime

[@lilbasedboi]

@@robertmitchell8438 you must be out evangelizing all the time then? Doing double the work they are?

[@hitman5782]

Really? Can you name a single valid argument one of them has ever made? Just one?

[@lilbasedboi]

@@hitman5782 bro I love your work! V cool the way you took out Eric Soders dressed like a ninja.

[@hitman5782]

@@lilbasedboi What? No idea what you are talking about, but do not think that i missed that you are not able to present a single valid point that they have made.

[@lilbasedboi]

@@hitman5782 you haven’t even played the video games associated with your account mr. “Hitman”. Eric Soders is a target in hitman 2016. You are given the option to kill him wearing a ninja suit. You don’t know this about agent 47.

[@bettygesare5948]

Remember he said ,You shall have no other gods before me

[@LoveGodOverAll]

This dude is the the definition of “anything but God”

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

I give the first young man major credit. He doesn't believe that there's a God but recognizes that objective moral values and duties are real. It's possible to take him seriously.... for now. It ISN'T possible to take subjectivists seriously.

[@bonnie43uk]

By "subjectivists" do you mean people who assess a moral situation as they see it, and make a judgement on the moral rightness or wrongness based on what they observe using their own rational minds, .. Cliffe gives a good example in this video when he asks "why is it wrong if i hit him" ? I could give Cliffe a few rational reasons why its wrong to hit someone. Again, it's situational, there may well be a valid reason why it *would* be acceptable to hit another person, but generally, it's not something that is approved of.

[@spooky6902]

How do you recognize that these objective moral values and duties are real? The only values and duties that I experience or see evidence for in others is subjective

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@bonnie43uk no, I do not mean that.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

@@spooky6902 good for you.

[@spooky6902]

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 thanks!

[@billyholly]

Whether this is Twain or not, the essence remains- "When I was 18, I thought my father was pretty dumb. After a while when I got to be 21, I was amazed to find out how much he'd learned in three years."

[@Disciple793]

So true.

[@bonnie43uk]

Yes, that sounds the kind of thing Mark Twain would say billy, it's very true, I can certainly relate to that in some ways, the person I was in my teens bears little resemblance to the person I am today, I was angry frustrated belligerent, you name it, today I feel much happier and content in life, something happened to me about a month ago that almost ended my life, I wont go into details, but even during that experience I felt calm and collected and was able to be at peace with myself. My younger self would not have been able to handle that without freaking out bigtime. Hope all your former students are ok billy, last i heard I think you said you were in Malta? Hope all is well with you.

[@billyholly]

@@bonnie43uk Tom, I'm glad you survived that incident!! Malta is hotter than I expected, due to the humidity. Just looking at the temperatures, it seems OK but combined with the humidity, it's tough. I got messaged Friday by one of my Ukrainian students, saying she missed me. It slayed me, for sure as I have no idea when I might return. She was one of those who never left the country, tough as nails, man. I, too, was "young and stupid" so whoever came up with this quotation (Mark Twain's dad dies when Twain was 11 or so) really got it right. Take care of yourself, Tom. Know I'm here if you need me.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@billyholly always good to hear from you billy, keep the faith .

[@andriod090]

@@billyholly go back and pray with them. Keep watch when you return, for the Spirit is sorrowed but those who call evil good and good evil.

[@francmittelo6731]

We are part of reality, and we do not know how it came to be.

[@David.Luyeye]

You do not know. I know how it came to be. The resources are available for all but not all want to know the truth.

[@colinmatts]

@@David.Luyeye You KNOW? You need to share such information with the world, man

[@David.Luyeye]

@@colinmatts The world already knows. Each day that we love is a constant reminder of how we came about to be. You did not see the trees, clouds, stars and the earth form in the beginning so why do we believe that there is no creator before us? Children hang onto their mothers and fathers after childbirth because they know that they came before them. Little children put their faith in their parents for dependency. Should we not also put our faith in the creator who allowed us to live on a planet where the oxygen and temperature is possible for life to grow? If we depend on each other to determine the morality of what is good then the world will never be good. No one is capable Of doing good by their own will. Only by doing the will of God does one become good in the spirit of Jesus

[@colinmatts]

@@David.Luyeye ". Should we not also put our faith in the creator who allowed us to live on a planet". I'm asking how you KNOW a creator has anything to do with us living on this planet? I've done plenty of good things by my own will. Didn't need a god for any of it

[@David.Luyeye]

@@colinmatts Have you done as little as lied, stolen, lusted, gotten angry, fornicated, guilty of jealousy, falsely accused someone? You would be a fool to say that you have never done wrong. You see if you think that you are better than others who have done so much as committed murder, than you would already be guilty of pride and egotism. Truth is that you are no better than a criminal as you have also committed a crime. A crime can be as little as lying. Lying leads to hurting those around you on purpose unless you are a child who is trying to find their way into the world they were just brought into by testing what is right and wrong. You see Hitler also believes that he was a morally good man. Does that make you any different than Hitler and his moral definition of good?

[@stewwweee]

the first half was intense but the second half was humorous , the second guy is funny lol . Good job Cliffe

[@destiny9734]

Bravo! Great Job 👏🏾 love it

[@g3tmoore]

Descartes wrestled with the issues brought up by the first young man. "I think therefore I am" is a statement recognizing that consciousness is a reality, therefore I can trust my reason. If I didn't have consciousness, my brain is the same as a rock, or just material. If I can trust my reason, I can trust reality and the laws within it. My brain isn't self-preserving and making me agree with irrational conclusions for my own benefit. If I can trust reality, then objective truths exist.

[@bonnie43uk]

I agree with you about the Descartes quote: I think, therefore I am. What exactly are these objective truths Tyler?, are they written down?

[@sharonknechtle1515]

Excellent guys

[@CASMANWHAT]

Don’t agree with Jacob but he gave a great performance. I need a show with these two.

[@Elias1995Ca]

Romans 1:22 ,Professing to be wise, they became fools.

[@Generatorman59]

Phartphrase 13:13, Professing they believe in the existence of a god proves their foolishness.

[@Elias1995Ca]

@@Generatorman59 🥱

[@Theeunseenart]

Your words create your own reality.careful with your tongue and thought.when you think evil you will be miserable.your words create your reality.your tongue has power over life and death.careful with your tongue.

[@superquad7]

If there is a longer video here, it'd be good to watch. I was hoping that kid to our left would step up and speak since he thought it so cool to just stand there an make fun of Cliff (and maybe the guy Cliff is talking to?).

[@NewCreationInChrist896]

Kid don't try to win an argument over the value of the human life. John 3:16-21 💝

[@jasonnoble7302]

Which argument did cliff make ?

[@MATES2000803]

God bless you Cliffe 🙏

[@i_assume]

Presuppositional critique shortens the whole debate

[@benziff8172]

The evidence of God is clearly seen from creation. It’s very unfortunate when we want to live our lives the way we want too and not acknowledge there is a personal intimate God. With any none believer, when a believer debunks a point they make about there is no god, the none believer jumps onto another topic to try to win. Folks, please especially if you are a none believer; get to know who Jesus Christ is. We only have one chance in this life. He is righteous enough that if we acknowledge and submit to him. He will walk with us through this life but if we reject him, he respects that and separates himself from us for eternity. Consider the choice you make today, tonight. You only have once chance and our expiry date for this life is coming quick. Think, again think about about this

[@timothysnow4107]

Very well put…I am afraid it is beginning to look more “intelligent” to be a non believer today on many of these college campuses. Thank God for men like this that show that true knowledge can coexist with the love of God as well.

[@feeltheforce10]

There are many religions and people choose what suits them best - why should you believe Jesus is the only way ? Did you know the false theology story preached in churches is very different to the correct understanding of the Hebrew texts Bibles are translated from ? There is no eternity - its a deliberate false translation - eternal life is false. OLAM is the Hebrew word wrongly translated as eternity - it does not mean eternity. You always have to search and look deeper at things.

[@benziff8172]

@@feeltheforce10 friend if there is no eternity then life is meaningless. If there is no life after dead then Jesus Christ story was false and he never came back from the dead. Read Matthew mark luke and John. Get to know who Jesus Christ is

[@feeltheforce10]

@@benziff8172 I know the story very well.I wasted 8 years being deceived by the false translations and false theology story. Eternity was never in the Bible - its a false story.Search for yourself and you will find im right.The eternity lie is only the tip of the iceberg - there are many more deceptions. The writers of the Gospels were not the names we know them by.It says at the start ACCORDING TO.........Its based on hearsay as there were no recorders to record anything - the stories are just stories from the Greek theology writers and cannot be seen as being true.There is no historical evidence Jesus existed - no evidence at all. Every religion has a reward - choose the one you think is correct - who knows ? Please search more and look deeper. The Virgin birth was false.ALMAH is the Hebrew word wrongly translated as Virgin when it does not mean virgin it means young maiden. In 2017 Germany removed the word Virgin from their Bibles and added the correct words young maiden.The virgin birth gone forever for Germans.The Vatican know about this error but as it makes a vast sum of money for them they are happy to leave it and let the false story continue. Good luck in your journey.

[@feeltheforce10]

@@benziff8172 By the way i see you follow Billy Graham !!! A big no no there.He was a Freemason when he preached - plenty of videos on here about him not being who he claimed to be.Deception is everywhere please be careful.

[@michaeljdt9235]

I’ve been watching cliff when he only had 9k followers on KZbin

[@UniteAgainstEvil]

good stuff

[@joshua.recovers]

4:48 "If we keep getting a log jammed" - Matthew 7:3-5.

[@sarahgmaa4858]

excellent

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Proverbs 24:5 A wise man is strong; yea, a man of knowledge increaseth strength.

[@JesusisGodandKingofkimgs]

Have you ever lied, stolen, used God's name in vain, looked wuth lust? if so you need to repent today and Believe in Jesus Christ to save you from Hell and go to heaven instead

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

I did some of those things back then but I repented. I asked God and Jesus for their Forgiveness. I try to live for God and Jesus 24/7.

[@knxcholx]

Goodness gracious. How can someone make claims such as "I don't believe any religion has it right", and not not realize what they are saying?

[@matthewhawthorne8411]

Ignorance is bliss

[@lopezmediatv]

Because the Lord has already written his right and wrong on our hearts. That’s why.

[@ericscaillet2232]

Unrefutebly so ,we just like to justify our rotten ways,as if those are a way to happiness

[@trumpbellend6717]

Nonsense, if that was the case then we would all agree upon the SAME "God" and the SAME scriptures as our moral guide. Yet in reality man has concieved of THOUSANDS of "Gods" who version of morality often conflict with each other. For example most people do NOT think the gathering of sticks on a certain day of the week deserving of stoning to death. 😜

[@Bachconcertos]

God is real & God is love & Jesus Christ is his Son & our Lord & Savior

[@jonesnicholos]

i luv this man

[@ericscaillet2232]

Dam ...the mud huts story ,now we are getting something....earth is one big mud hut.

[@godisgood201]

That guy got 30 different answers and he still kept asking the same questions. My mind is blown.

[@pattillo21]

17:57 What happened there? Why did they end the conversation like that?

[@randomreviews1461]

That sounded like a tough crowd.

[@prico3358]

This is the type of líes The devil uses. This is what deception means. He is Smart enought to have a good debate position against Reson and rational. He feels Smart, because he could conceptualize that level of abstract intellectual thinking. He understand that his position is against rational and reason .. but don't realize his position is unreasonable by defenition because he placed si much value on his smarts that it blinds him. He is accepting The posibility of the unreasonable just because his mind was able to grasp making His mind more trustworthy than reason because of PRIDE.

[@Jaryism]

Yep, his own pride and intellectual ego makes him double down on stupid with his whole Moral Relativism/subjectivism, he literally lives out his life that there are moral absolutes 'cause he seems to have strong "moral" and ethical opinions about how you "ought to do this" and "shouldn't do that", but philosophically he smugly claims that we all just decide for ourselves, it could be one thing one day, next day another thing and who cares just live a "good" life (there's that equivocal term)... but what is "the good", Jacob? Who and what defines what is good and virtuous? God? Nope, society, Joe Biden, your community? If it's the collective then that good will constantly shift and it's more about comfort not virtue isn't it. You can't live that out.

[@daekwonrose3160]

@@Jaryism You can literally see on his face he realized they made sense he just doesn’t want to accept God. People have a hard time showing humility & being humble. They want to believe we run the show & have a problem with being told what to do. Mention God or Jesus in front of a crowd watch how crazy they go.

[@AbidAli-ls8pb]

How and when can I have one to one conversation with either of you.? Regards.

[@singwithpowerinfo5815]

The question is assumptive as neither are true. Framing questions like this are done to win an argument on false premises.

[@TheRealTrucido]

To the intro guys convo; The universe is finely tuned in order to support life. Why is that?

[@hitman5782]

I guess because it is only dead and lethal to way over 99.99999999999999999999999999999..%?!

[@trumpbellend6717]

99,8 % of all species that have existed on earth are now EXTINCT, there are about 2 trillion galaxies out there and just our own contains at least 400, billion stars and innumerable planets, yet we are still to discover life anywhere else. One could hardly discribe that as _"finely tuned in order to support life"_ 🤣😅🤣🤣😅🤣😅🤣

[@TheRealTrucido]

@@trumpbellend6717 You need to look up what the fine-tuned universe means. "If the values of any of certain free parameters in contemporary physical theories had differed only slightly from those observed, the evolution of the Universe would have proceeded very differently and life as it is understood may not have been possible." The physics and math behind everything that allows ANY life to be possible in the entire universe is set so that there may be life. If certain things which allow the fundamentals of life were slightly off in any one of the 20+ requirements that are within the livable range, there would be zero life anywhere in the universe. Thats what that means. And the time required in order for it to have been random wouldn't make sense given the age of the universe. Learn something my boy.

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@TheRealTrucido Ok let's dismantle this "fine tuning" diatribe shall we. First thing to note is your inability or unwillingness to address the points I had previously mentioned. I.e the sheer size of the universe and why if the universe is actually "fine-tuned" for life, why is it so ridiculously devoid of it? Nor could you provide any answer as to why a "God" would "create" such a huge number of species only to then let them go extinct ? Just what was their "purpose" ? Indeed just what is the purpose served by the multitude of diseases aledgedly created by your God?? Bone cancer that kills millions of Children and causes them and their families untold suffering. Tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, droughts, ect just how do they _"SUPPORT LIFE"_ ?? 🤔🤔 Your argument regarding the laws of physics being "fine tuned" is highly falacious. It bifurcates the laws of physics into constants and equations, into which you ask me to consider what would happen if the constants changed but the equations stayed the same, and imply that nothing would work if the constants were altered even slightly. But what if we were to consider that the equations could change, also?🤔 In that case, we must admit that we have no idea and thats the point. Even if it is clear that the current equations with different constants cannot produce life, completely different equations (and constants) might still be perfectly life-producing. We do not know enough about mathematical physics to say, and may well never. And arbitrarily dictating that only the constants may be tweaked in this exercise amounts to "begging the question" Now you want us to conclude that a set of physical constants that are conducive to life arising is highly improbable, but tell me. Just HOW do we ascribe proborbilities to sets of possible physical constants?? 🤔 Are they all suposed to be equally likely?? 🤔 Or are some more likely than others ?? To speak of probabilities here just seems to be abusing the concept of proborbility in a situation in which it is meaningless. Regardless even if we were to accept it as extremely improbable we know that Improbable things happen. There is a difference between an event that "will never occur" and one that "has a zero probability of occurring." As an example of the fallacy of looking at results and conjecturing backwards on what the probability of such occurring was, grab a set of playing cards and deal them out face up, one at a time. When the first card is dealt, the probability of it being whatever it is, is 52-1, the probability of the second card being whatever it is is then 51-1, giving a combined probability of 2652-1. Once you have got through the deck, the probability of you having dealt those cards in that order is a staggering one in 8×(10) ⁶⁷ , which is pretty much "nearly zero", yet you just managed to do it! Congratulations, you're magic - just like Jesus Much much more to follow ( food time )

[@trumpbellend6717]

@@TheRealTrucido One more thing you fail to take into account when addressing the proborbility argument. Could I also not say, "what is the proborbility that a incredible supernatural being that has the power to do anything, could just poof into existence or has always existed ? That he created all the trillions of galaxies just for us and wasnt really too bothered about the 99.8% of other species that once lived on earth but are now extinct ( including many other homonids Neanderthals, denisovan, neladi ect ) That this magical invisible being really does require the stoning of people for gathering sticks on a specific day. And finds the male foreskin objectionable again to the point of it being punishable by death to retain it . Even though it was the same god that created said foreskin 🤔🤔🤔 I have literally just scratched the surface here, suffice to say that the proborbility model I could create for the god of biblical narrative would be far far more unlikely than that preposed for the scientific explanation. Learn something my boy

[@JacobChacko3008]

What was the question that first kid asked at the end ? He was talking too fast that i couldn't make it out ?

[@robyung3189]

Do you guys have long form videos ?

[@JeezyF]

they do not, usually cliffe and stuart are out there talking with students for 4+ hours/day, they're all broken up into 30 min segments

[@sunturez5655]

Cliffe shoes are really nice

[@arkhamkillzone]

When the young human thinks he know more then the older men of God you have a problem. I hope in time he reject the ways of a hardened heart and seeks the one true and living God. I did and I found him. Only by his grace cause when I look back there are so many time God could have rightfully struck me down. He didn't tho and that is evidence of his mercy and long suffering.

[@hitman5782]

You found a god? where? How? Which of the over 500.000 gods that are worshipped worldwide have you found?

[@arkhamkillzone]

@@hitman5782 the one true and living God. All the other 500,000 gods you mentioned are blind deaf and dumb. They know nothing and hear no prayers. As to how, well I simply called out to him and he answered me. I read the bible after that and learned who God is and what his message is to me. Tell me friend have you read the bible yet?

[@hitman5782]

I have never seen a theist actually willing even trying to answer tricky questions and by tricky questions i mean absolutely basic stuff like:"Can you please present nothing more but a single rational argument why your god should be more real than the countless other gods that we humans invented?

[@larzman651]

SALVATION IS ONLY IN YESHUA HAMASHIACH 🙌

[@tsgtezzy]

Why do you go to funerals? Just as a duty? Should you have to set an alarm clock as a reminder to go to a so called “loved” one’s funeral because it’s just an obligation as is taking the trash out?

[@berglen100]

Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

[@blackhaze8233]

It's painful listening to atheist. All thay do is contradict themselves and prove themselves to be hypocrites SMH.

[@Generatorman59]

And it's painful listening to theist. All they do is make bold assertions without having any evidence for their position and prove their indoctrination. SMH.

[@blackhaze8233]

@@Generatorman59 is that right...cool maybe now I can get a answer to my question that I ask all dogmatic believing atheist... Prove to me that you're a living human being and not some AI That's leaving this comment?.. time to show why atheist should always be ignored and never taken serious. So please prove to me that I'm talking to a living human being and not a bot.

[@blackhaze8233]

@@Generatorman59 I demand PROOF.

[@patientdiscipline]

Most of them are clueless to philosophy and tend to ignore it. Philosophy kills atheism.

[@giauscaesar8047]

I wholeheartedly agree they are such boring people.

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Proverbs 14:30 A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

[@NickLAnderson]

🙏

[@AbidAli-ls8pb]

Might seriously solve a few issues.do connect.

[@jonesnicholos]

people want to b nothing so bad. but those same people don't want u to treat them like nothing

[@IBenZik]

@0:10, the kid says mathematical rules are extrapolations, a perfect time to ask the math wiz what the probability is of a living cell coming to life in a universe that dictates anything over 10 to the 19th power can't happen on its own.

[@berglen100]

We will take a simple little verse and show you why it is not addressed to the natural man, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”

[@lla_ni_chingas]

How is God all good, all knowing, all powerful yet inosent people die in natural disasters? Like a hurricane Katrina. Does he choose not to intervene or does he not have the power 🤔

[@Generatorman59]

He's not real. We exist without him and there is no afterlife. That concept is so disturbing to some people, they invent this make believe sky daddy to console themselves.

[@giauscaesar8047]

First.

[@jessebryant9233]

The first... shall be LAST! 😉🙃

[@JinKazama92]

everyone who argues the existence of God has a problem with SIN...

[@JinKazama92]

@@ChrisTheKing172 because people love their sin and hate to give it up.

[@JinKazama92]

@@ChrisTheKing172 today it’s almost everything. Love of money, material things, hate, anger, envy etc

[@JinKazama92]

@@ChrisTheKing172 isn’t it obvious what SIN is? It’s the commitment to do something that’s wrong or unjust. In general terms it’s the outright disobedience to GOD regardless how small the issue is. I find it amazing you don’t know what sin is cuz i know a 10 year old knows what SIN is.

[@hitman5782]

@@JinKazama92 Given that you are obviously an expert on what a sin is, let me ask you to explain it to me. Is it a sin to work on the sabbath? It is a sin to kill a guy who collected sticks on the sabbath? Is it a sin to have sex before marriage? Is it a sin to kill people for having sex before marriage? Is it a sin to cook a goat in its mother's milk? Is it a sin to have slaves? Is it a sin to be angry when somebody rapes your daughter? I could go on all day, but i hope you already realized that it´s not so simple to tell what "a sin" is. And correct me if i am wrong, but are we not ALL sinners? So what´s the difference between a perfectly good person and a childraping massmurderer who accepted Jesus as his eternal dictator on his deathbed? I can tell you what the difference is. The perfectly good guy will go to hell if he was born in the wrong country and raised in one of the about 5000 other religions.

[@David.Luyeye]

@@ChrisTheKing172 It’s simple. You are twisting the argument which is causing you to be confused by your own words. Here is the answer you are looking for. One that has read the word of God knows the commandments of the lord and what to keep. Those that do not know the word of God are slaves to unrighteousness and sin. You should know them by their fruits.

[@ChiefCedricJohnson]

Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

[@kengreene5212]

👍👍👍

[@pepethunder]

It is odd how sometimes requiring proof actually stops you from understanding.

[@monkkeygawd]

Well, that's a bit of a trick question, because "we" do not ultimately exist, beyond being thoughts in the Mind of God. Our egos are not real, but literal dissociated perspectives of God, through which Consciousness (God) acts out every part of reality. All is Consciousness. Materialism is a false perspective. No sin. No evil. Not even anything good. All just is. No need for salvation. *Read Dr. Bernardo Kastrup's book, "Why Materialism is Bologna" for a modern understanding of this philosophical view. Or, read about Advaita Vedanta (ancient nondualism, based upon the Upanishads).

[@lamblyy]

Sorry but this is one of the most ridiculous things ive ever heard..If theres no sin or no evil why would God punish and send people to hell..?

[@monkkeygawd]

@@lamblyy for God's sake, my friend, there is NO Hell! Hell is a ridiculous, barbaric concept... a tool to keep people in line. Humans were not born "evil," that's degrading to humanity to believe so.

[@lamblyy]

@@monkkeygawd How is hell ridiculous? Where do people who have done terrible things go? Do they not get punished? If they dont get punished whats the point of being a good person? Is rape not evil? Is murder not evil?

[@monkkeygawd]

@@lamblyy Christianity is based upon a dualistic worldview (matter is separate from mind/spirit)... YET, reality is NOT dualistic! It is, in fact, NON-DUALISTIC, as recent quantum field theory and philosophy is hinting. Please read Dr. Bernardo Kastrup's book, "Why Materialism is Bologna." Becuz "God" is literally primal Consciousness... matter has no intrinsic, stand alone existence. All is the Mind of God. We are literally thoughts in the Mind of God (dissociated perspectives of God, playing out "Reality"). This NON-DUALISM is also the ancient view of Advaita Vedanta (nondual Hinduism), based upon the Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita. Since everything is literally the Mind of God, we "humans" have no free will; only God's will is free (only God has will). Therefore, no evil exists. No sin. No "good" even. And... No worries. God has it under control 🙌

[@lamblyy]

@@monkkeygawd Well that wouldnt make any sense cause when the Jews burned their children to baal God said that them doing that never even entered His mind..So how would that make sense if we are in His Mind and doing stuff against His Mind??

[@chad969]

The principle “reason always comes from reason” has the exact same empirical support as the principle “reason is always instantiated by biological organisms”. Yet Cliffe would accept the former and reject the latter. He’s happy to accept inductive arguments when they support a conclusion he’s already committed to, but he rejects equally supported inductive arguments when they support a conclusion he doesn’t believe. For someone who talks so much about intellectual honestly, he’s sure not being very honest.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

Mr. Cliffe kept saying "Reason only comes from reason" What does that mean? I don't understand it. From all my observations ... , one person's observation is not that much. Even generations observations wouldn't be enough. For much much more than 1,500 years, people believed the sun went around the earth. They didn't know better. Now we know better thus we've different perspectives in reality. So are other non-physical things, too. Women had almost no right. Slavery, etc.

[@souzajustin19d]

Then I'll phrase it in such a way you may better understand. Is there anything else in this universe you can objectively prove where reason comes from other than a mind. Examples, rocks don't reason, they don't have minds. Trees don't reason they don't have minds. The sun does not reason it has no mind.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

@@souzajustin19d "Is there anything else in this universe you can objectively prove where reason comes from other than a mind." I'm sorry I still don't understand what you're trying to say. A mind reasons. That's fine. We humans have minds, brains. We reason. Dogs have brains and they reason though not that bright. Cats have brains and they reason. They're more sneaker or maybe smarter than dogs or more reason independently maybe. Though do butterflies think? reason? I guess so. Though worms reason? Do worms have brains? a mind?

[@souzajustin19d]

@@tTtt-ho3tq Very good you named things that have minds and also understand they reason as well. Now try to name something that has no mind but can reason.

[@tTtt-ho3tq]

@@souzajustin19d "Now try to name something that has no mind but can reason" I don't see anything that can reason without a mind in my mind for now.

[@souzajustin19d]

@@tTtt-ho3tq You most likely wont find anything. So that is meaning of the Reason only comes from Reason. We have never seen a rock create a thing that can reason, or really any other thing in this universe that is inanimate create a mind. A mind must come from a mind, reason must come from reason, life must come from life.

[@atajoseph]

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: “O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.

[@hitman5782]

Was this a spell? Has Jesus talked to himself? "Oh father, i mean oh myself, i mean you, i mean me..."

[@JonnyHalfton]

@@hitman5782 cringe, nobody asked, plus ur yt, atheist living in ur moms basement need a hug

[@tsgtezzy]

A common tactic among atheists is to rely on language, assuming its inherent meaning. However, they struggle to justify the fundamental meaning behind their own words, let alone how others interpret them. They fail to account for the very basis of language and its significance. In essence, by engaging in discourse, atheists inadvertently delve into metaphysical concepts, contradicting their own worldview. Living a truly atheist life becomes untenable as they unwittingly operate within the realm of the transcendent. Denying the existence of God doesn't exempt one from the confines of time, space, and existence.

[@nikokapanen82]

We have a dilemma. Cliffe likes to say very often how people, even worldly people have an innate value, that they have worth and should not be treated like a cockroach for example. Yet at the same time, he believes that God will treat these nonbelievers infinitely worst than cockroaches, He is going to burn them alive forever and ever. Now let's be honest, who deserves to be treated like that? Who deserves to be burned alive forever and ever? A cockroach does not deserve it, a parasite does not deserve it and I would say nothing at all, that have even an atom amount of some value, some worth does not deserve to be treated like that. So Cliffe is saying that we ought to treat people with value, even worldly people ought to be treated with value but at the same time, he believes that God is going to treat them as if they have no value at all as if they are utterly worthless, useless, and has nothing but despises in the eyes of God. Isn't this a serious problem that must have a reasonable explanation? What do you guys think?

[@theoskeptomai2535]

I wholeheartedly agree. I am curious as to how Christians will address this problem. Keep in mind there is not a single problem facing the Christian that he or she can't manipulate his or her way out of with some open interpretation of vague or pithy scripture passage. Christians, over the millennia, have mastered the art of dodging, misdirection, and excuses.

[@bonnie43uk]

Good to see you've got your thinking cap on Niko. Exactly right, eternal torture is immoral surely in any rational persons mind, I would even argue that to torture someone for a short period of time is immoral. I'm sure some Christians might argue that Hell isn't some kind of physical torture, but more of a "separation from God" .. not quite sure what that entails, if I don't believe this God character exists, its not going to effect me when i die, I will simply be in the same situation I was in before my parents created me by having sex, .. i did not exist. I'm fine with that. As Mark Twain once said, I was nothing for billions of years and it didn't inconvenience me in the slightest.

[@nikokapanen82]

@@bonnie43uk Actually, I know the answer to this question. I just understand that majority of Christians truly believe that torment will be endless, so I am trying to make them think what would that actually mean if God would do it, if He would create most human beings for no other ultimate purpose but to burn them alive forever and ever.

[@saintpaulofyoutube4416]

And the other shoe is.........?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@saintpaulofyoutube4416 To whom are you referring to Jeff?, and what is the actual point you are making? If you have an answer to Niko's point concerning the threat of eternal torture, feel free to give us your views.

[@digiswitch]

00:13

[@TyMan922]

Young man needs to quit saying "posit" constantly and be diverse in communication to be more effective rather than just repeat words. Attending a major university. More is expected. Stuart's arguments were incredibly solid.

[@chatrinechin1066]

Oh please, can you give the full conversations?

[@spacecoastz4026]

I can't fully hear that kid...need to work on the microphones.

[@Lerian_V]

The US should enact a law that says every high school graduate must take a trip to Africa and live there for at least one year.

[@bonnie43uk]

That would be quite an eye opener Lerian V. Good to see you on here again.😊

[@Lerian_V]

Hey @@bonnie43uk, how's life going? Yeah, it would be a real experience and much of the problems we're seeing with these youths will dissipate.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@Lerian_V I'm good thanks Lerian V, not seen you round these parts in a while 😊 Yeah, maybe bring back National Service, we had that here in the UK in the 50's and early 60's young men had to join the forces for 2 years.

[@JeezyF]

nah, I'm too pro-freedom for that, although it would be good for people

[@Lerian_V]

@@bonnie43uk I did mine in Nigeria for 1 year. It was an experience. It's still a requirement for graduates seeking employment in Nigeria.

[@eliasescudero119]

qué facherito el broder de atrás vistiendo un jersey del pumas xdxdxd

[@LitoLochoss]

Preach about Jesus don’t argue with fools who don’t believe in God Making them believe God exist don’t change anything people in the millennial era will still don’t believe in God

[@Papa-dopoulos]

What a silly question. Did the planets just do whatever they wanted gravitationally before we “brilliant” humans came along and wrangled them into submission with the law of gravity? Hubris so thick you can’t even see it’s hubris any more lol. The thought of it.

[@trumpbellend6717]

What could be a better example of hubris than think you are made in the image of a perfect omnipotent omniscient "GOD" ? 🙄🤔 Dispite the latest studies revealing there are at least 2 trillion galaxies out there. With just our own galaxy alone contains upto 400 billion stars with who knows how many planets. Yet YOU think it was all created for little ol'e YOU. 😜 Incidentally when you assert that God created man in his image do you mean, ...... with no knowledge of right and wrong ?? 🤔 or did he only only truly reflect _"Gods image"_ AFTER eating of the fruit when he became a "sinner" ?? 🤔 is this why man can be a jealous, genocidal monster at times just like his alleged "creator" ??

[@bonnie43uk]

Good discussion. Cliffe asks the question Q: Is there a purpose to life? I don't think we're born with an inherent purpose as such, as social creatures it's in our interest to cooperate and get along with eachother. When we're kids and growing up I don't think we generally ask ourselves "what's my purpose in life"?, we're too busy enjoying life and getting on with lots and lots of different things. I'm 64 now, and I am still figuring out life and everything around me. I have however, figured out that it is beneficial to be kind to people and to treat people the way I would like to be treated, there's a lot to enjoy in life. I've not seen any credible evidence of a supernatural God, but I'm open to the possibility , but as life goes on, the more convinced I am that being probably doesn't exist.

[@Generatorman59]

My sediments exactly. Thanks for your insights. I am of the impression that I fail to see the necessity of the existence of a god.

[@bonnie43uk]

@@Generatorman59 Playing devils advocate, I guess I could say that there is good evidence that human beings seem to have this need to invent Gods to try and explain how we got here and why life is the way it is... every human civilization across the globe has invented a myriad of different Gods on every continent they've inhabited. There have been literally thousands of them. The Christian God happens to be one of them. Even before the white Christians came to America via the Atlantic ocean 500 years ago there were well established Gods in South, Central, and North America. We know what happened to all those North American Indian tribes, same as what happened to the ones in South and Central America, bows and arrows can't compete against cannons and guns.

[@giauscaesar8047]

@@Generatorman59 Well if that is the case what prevents you from adopting the hard atheist position i.e ?There is no god ?

[@PoweredbyJESUS7]

What “Credible evidence” are you looking for. Is this the first time you have watched this KZbin channel?

[@bonnie43uk]

@@PoweredbyJESUS7 Good question HULK, a supernatural miracle would do it. No, I've watched a few of these video's over the years. Are you new here btw?

[@jonesnicholos]

he never answered the question. did life come from reason or non-reason?

[@griffisjm]

Uh oh, cliff is squatting, things are getting real.

[@stephenrandell7152]

Why do religious folk believe that 'someone 'created the universe?🤔

[@souzajustin19d]

Because the evidence leads them to believe it's the most rational answer.

[@stephenrandell7152]

@@souzajustin19d the evidence?

[@souzajustin19d]

@@stephenrandell7152 that is what I said.

[@stephenrandell7152]

@@souzajustin19d ok what evidence? How did you rule out a natural explanation?

[@souzajustin19d]

@@stephenrandell7152 Does the evidence of the natural explanation convince you?

[@laquan3661]

If you don't know anything why should we listen?

[@berglen100]

You prove DUST.

[@timothyplumley6004]

Did a seen thing give out unseen things unto seen beings? For the universalist, I can see a lot of the universe ( by the way uni=one verse= sentence combination of words) so seen thing. Humanist, we humans are seen, so can't be us. God, a transcendent being, unseen and therefore a rational answer. We have a body which functions rather involuntarily, and a mind that sends chemical reactions to do said actions, who programmed the mind to do so, and why do we have a mind at all? I'm going to say we have it to use logic and reasoning to come to rational ideas. But most folks choose to indulge in useless info and colloquial isms ( entertainment= enter tainted mentality) Might that be a theory people could grasp if they were determined to find truth. For most folks that have tried to dispute Christianity, have come to Christ in the end, so please do try to take the route of disproving God and Christ by all means. The end is to send you to his realm not the darkness we'd rather live in blindly.