Giving Martin 1 Extra Queen Until I LOSE

[@KristjanBoznik]

11:57 “he has this idea” Martin did in fact have no such idea 😂

[@iwantcheckmate]

Bold of me to assume

[@SonyGaming5X]

I thought of an interesting concept but any piece you lose from prior games becomes a pawn but the game will eventually end when you can't checkmate with only pawns inevitable yet seeing how many games get won a challenge run right?! XD

[@probablyrye9803]

The evaluation at 19:40 deciding your position was winning down 69 points of material is pretty wild... It can tell you're paying Martin

[@iwantcheckmate]

I know right hahaha

[@Happy_Abe]

The eval bar is actually confusing me

[@chantinghang309]

maybe the 69 was distracting stockfish

[@linkhidalgogato]

so i loaded up the position and looked at what stockfish was sugesting and its straight up hallucinating, if u play the moves it says are winning for white it actually ends up evaluating them as loosing, my guess is that its taking some kind of shortcut where sacrificing queens is evaluated really badly at fist even if its winning and then when it actually does a better analysis it "realizes" its actually winning, idk its down right bizarre.

[@Happy_Abe]

@@linkhidalgogato wow very interesting Thanks for investigating

[@Mr_twafa]

“He’s got a bunch of rocket launchers so if he just uses them, eventually he’ll beat me.” Best quote I’ve heard today

[@Adamgamer-101]

3 things I want checkmate loves: 1. Martin 2. The London 3. Ladder mate

[@iwantcheckmate]

In that order as well

[@Michael_the_third]

4. Magnus

[@v.demonaco3718]

@@iwantcheckmate I´d say the order is: 1. CHECKMATE, 2. Martin, 3 Ladder Mate

[@MRSANS1]

18:20 queen on h4 just chill when the knight looks at her. She knows you will miss this capture

[@GrumpyIan]

"There's gotta be a mate here that I'm not seeing." Says the guy named "I want checkmate"

[@iwantcheckmate]

How the mighty fall

[@Baxco]

5:31 brooo the queen was hanging but you choose a queen trade instead

[@CrumbCrusader1]

Video Idea: beat every bot with the DOUBLE BONGCLOUD opening until you lose

[@a.j.leclair5426]

"Its like giving a baby a rocket launcher" its a perfect comparison lmaooo

[@Theultimategamers411]

If this comment gets 1k likes I'll play the magnus bot until i beat him

[@Cheda-d2t]

IWANTCHECKMATE, PIN THIS COMMENT

[@fachrimahardika1656]

B4 da pin

[@ΣΜΡΤΥ]

i hope you won't get 1k likes cuz i don't want someone to rot and d!e playing chess his whole life to a single BOT

[@KDA218]

No sleepy Magnus 😴

[@wh3elson]

why, who r u

[@Prankmaster187]

"Its like giving a baby a rocket launcher" your too good 🤣🤣🤣

[@SWISS-1337]

5:24 - I'd say so, I'm bad, only currently 724 ELO but haven't studied any openings, just play for fun, and I found that playing bots that are much higher level than me has definitely helped improve my level. And change my play style. I have beaten up to an 1800 ELO bot and when I get time I am going to learn some openings and middle game techniques to improve.

[@coso1346]

The start of the Martin redemption arc

[@iwantcheckmate]

He is becoming a checkmater

[@havenanimates1979]

Awesome video as always!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you! Glad you liked it :)

[@Bruh-bk6yo]

How about a vid "no ladder mate challenge"? (because it's frustrating seeing it in, like, every game)

[@FbiAintWatchingU]

It's funny the evaluation bar doesn't only calculate the position and not the skill of the player

[@imblayck]

0:29 u had Ne5, forking the queens!

[@Kitaro-khan]

Do the same with stockfish. If for Martin we are giving a child a rocket launcher, then for stockfish it would be like giving John wick pencils.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hahaha good idea

[@O-neilP]

18:15 knight takes queen missed that queen aswell😂😂

[@iwantcheckmate]

Whoops hahaha

[@O-neilP]

@iwantcheckmate KZbinrs that respond to subscribers>>>> 😂

[@videogamerplays7902]

0:30 you missed a fork :(

[@GigsTaggart]

He missed quite a few knight takes queen for free moves. It's interesting how your brain turns off when playing someone really bad.

[@KristjanBoznik]

And now I get a new video for my commute back from work, this is sick. This guy doesn’t disappoint

[@iwantcheckmate]

Hahaha it’s you again! Glad you’re enjoying :)

[@KristjanBoznik]

Seeing you’re so fascinated with ladders mate maybe a “all intermediate bots but no laddermate” video would be fun? 👀

[@iwantcheckmate]

@ Good idea!

[@redbobbycar2871]

23:48 taking the queen must be a blunder, because the computer evaluation drops from +21 to -5 :D

[@cowingtonpost6837]

It seems like martin is programmed to give away more material than usual when he is ahead in the game.

[@iwantcheckmate]

That would explain a lot!

[@samuels1123]

I think the algorithm for suboptimal chess AI is to look at all identified move sequences and pick one below the optimal path this means the bot will always play optimally in the scope of "there is one path where we don't immediately die", but it makes the bot allergic to good moves when winning.

[@INeedMoreElo]

Sorry I missed the VOD, I had to get my sleep🛌

[@ryanlind5239]

It really does seem like Martin varies in quality from game to game and it's kinda interesting. Like one game he literally just gave up a queen on every move for no reason. And then another game every time you captured a queen he re-captured, whereas other games he was usually not re-capturing. Probably just random noise but as a programmer I can't help but think about how the logic is written

[@iwantcheckmate]

Yeah it’s very weird to see as a chess player as well. Would love to see what’s happening behind the scenes!

[@dhyanais]

20:00 The eval bar is so confused. Must be some sort of overflow error...

[@iwantcheckmate]

I assume so hahaha

[@gregoryshipley4637]

I am fairly certain Martin's ability level is dynamic. He plays a little worse when he calculates that he is in a better position. As he gets more queens, he recognizes he needs to throw the game harder.

[@corhydrae3238]

I think it's a good idea to just crash pieces into his position and take as many queens as possible before they die. Martins moves are largely random from all I know, so him recapturing is more of an accident rather than a deliberate move. You can actually see how his tendency to recapture goes up if you capture with check, since the check forcefully prevents him from doing any of his nonsensical random moves.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Good point! :)

[@Kingston4665]

The eval bar just kept going crazy at the beginning of the game

[@vedranb87]

2:06 is gold

[@cryolophosaurus8200]

you should do a reverse reverse- give stockfish one extra pawn until you lose

[@ThatLazyyGuy]

Idk why I found 22:17 so funny. King doesn’t wanna mess around any more

[@turks8020]

18:15 AND MARTIN SACRIFICES... THE QUEEEN, but he doesnt take the free queeen....

[@Happy_Abe]

Why does white get such a huge advantage jump at 16:46?

[@iwantcheckmate]

I have no clue, good question. I’m assuming there’s a crazy line somehow

[@Happy_Abe]

@@iwantcheckmatehard to imagine when black has a full chess set worth of just queens 😂

[@B3tabyt3]

​@@iwantcheckmate Someone needs to do an analysis share the png we run it through our machines.

[@ryanmo]

I'm not an expert on chess engines, i don't even fully understand how they work, but I believe its something to do with "null-move heuristic". From what I understand, for speed, stockfish doesn't bother evaulating lines when it is winning by so much to the point that it concludes the best move for the opponent is actually to forefeit their right to move and play nothing. Essentially, because every move would make white's position worse, stockfish has completely ignored almost all moves and as a result it misevaluated the position

[@Happy_Abe]

@@ryanmo I dont understand that because forfeiting your move is not a possible chess move, so it shouldn’t be a choice for it to chose, but interesting thanks for sharing

[@petersan9633]

What a royal affair, so many queens for one king

[@INeedMoreElo]

22:25 Amir moment

[@christianschneider4926]

i give martin N kings until the chessboard explodes

[@aaronmeglin9296]

I feel like martin is programmed to play worse when he's up value

[@iwantcheckmate]

That actually would explain a lot

[@andyb3522]

as a beginner, I can say that I personally use the rooks early, because a) it appears to be an "objectively bad" opening, which means other beginners who have looked into openings have not likely learned to punish it b) if its left unpunished i get some interesting early rook pins on their queen/king to help me take center control back c) beginners often develop their queen early, so if I get to develop a rook, I get to just line up with their queen til they undevelop it and I gain the tempo and most importantly d) the goal is to trade my rooks for their bishops early, because their lack of bishops midgame and an inability to develop their own rooks gives me some interesting positional advantages in the midgame. tldr its so bad its unexpected and therefore sometimes good xD also, I believe the "smart" variation is called the "banned gambit" and does have some interesting ideas.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks for this insight! :)

[@andyb3522]

@iwantcheckmate thanks for the content =D

[@and.m3108]

24:28 Finally the recognition Martin deserves 🎉 He ist just on another level

[@ladyaceina]

was hoping your next video would be how many queens to be stockfish

[@patfre]

He already did that

[@ladyaceina]

@@patfre that was how many EXTRA queens not the same challange

[@dusheyo6769]

You may have not seen the free queen. But do you remember when you hung a knight against a 1100 bot tho? And when you didn't capture his free rook.

[@iwantcheckmate]

I do 🙏😭

[@Hollands2511]

I'm loving these videos. Keep it up!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks!

[@maileesaeya3614]

So, having watched you play against Martin in various "challenges," played Martin myself, and this video, noticing the schizophrenic play patterns of Martin, I think the bot might actually be designed to play worse when he's up in material, more prone to completely random moves that are just pushing pieces around, leaving pieces hanging, etc. Because Martin seemed to play a lot better when he was down to 1 Queen then when he had several (still not great; this IS still Martin after all).

[@iwantcheckmate]

That would make a lot of sense!

[@venemous_lol]

fight magnus but each time he beats you u remove a piece from magnus.

[@rahulms6157]

13:57 bro's a little too excited..

[@OvejaGD]

I was sleeping during your livestream 😭😭😭

[@LunorGG]

For some reason I thought you were gonna forget he has mate in one if you didn’t play e3 and I was waiting for that 😂

[@pompompurin_1989]

Love how Martin against you is like you’re magnus but you against magnus bot is like you’re martin with these challanges

[@iwantcheckmate]

The food chain!

[@louismyers8845]

Tip for playing martin: If you play a check he is more likely to take back so best to avoid when possible!

[@lotus_519]

this guy will never run out of ideas

[@iwantcheckmate]

Ever 😌 very excited for the future series I have lined up :)

[@brettyance7685]

I knew I wasn't crazy! I saw it while I was too busy to watch, then when I came back, it was gone!

[@sammakesart]

Awesome twist on the format 👌

[@iwantcheckmate]

Appreciate it!

[@mitrillov]

+69 material advantage is just hilarious!

[@Shadow_King2467]

0:30 knight E5 is a fork

[@swag-mexico-gucci]

Maybe do a series against Magnartin? Combine the bots like you did with Martinfish

[@brookewelton317]

Wow Martin with the sneaky mate! Let’s see if Martin can give a ladder mate next 😂

[@semajniomet981]

Out of curiosity, how do you set up these custom boards?

[@noahknorr8586]

At 19:49 why does the eval bar say ur winning? Great video tho

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thanks! I have no idea. It was jumping around a lot during the game so I assume there was a strategy I was supposed to do?

[@PhycochilosYT]

Give Magnus one extra pawn until he beats you

[@PandaaaWarrior]

how the tables have turned

[@seira9441]

learned my lesson If you move Freddy the F Pawn you will lose against martin no matter how good you are

[@JB-xm7is]

This is my kinda content

[@clebautermann]

Martin is your queen

[@rahulbansal2]

I also want checkmate

[@iwantcheckmate]

We want checkmate

[@amirhoseinmohamadi4445]

9:42 its not forced knight f3 still blocks the mate

[@TheBcoolGuy]

you couldve won that game. Try to up your PB on this sometime!

[@MuhsinIbraheem]

Thrice is hat trick, is there any similar terms for a quad? 🤔

[@InhaereBisecare]

Quice

[@MuhsinIbraheem]

@@InhaereBisecare Three => Thrice. Quad => Quice. Hmm.... I have no objections to that.🤷‍♂ Nothing down here. What did you expect?

[@MuhsinIbraheem]

Alright here's me back, also looks like a live stream took place already, shame, I could've given you a pawn hoard if I was present.(I'm not forgetting about the pawn hoard.)

[@WANNACRY-00]

knowing martin, I thought it would be 50+ queens before you lost :|

[@ashsattva]

I don't even enjoy playing chess but your content is soo good man, well done!

[@iwantcheckmate]

I appreciate that! :)

[@frogofthoughts_]

give martin one extra knight till u lose!

[@Michael_the_third]

what is your fide rating?

[@RiteshJha_original]

atleast now I know that martin never misses Mate in 1, and bro plz do the same with knights too

[@garrysmith1029]

Martin always sees mate in 1 something that I wish I could do

[@O-neilP]

7:59 bishop g5 would be better no?

[@josefvows]

How many pawns until Magnus beats you?

[@Preedixion]

Another w video my guy keep grinding

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you :)

[@Preedixion]

No problem you should reach 100k before 2026🎉

[@АринаКалугина-ч6р]

23:19 what? How is this winning for you for several moves in a row?😅 Crazy! XD Enjoyed the video as always :)

[@iwantcheckmate]

I wish I could understand engine lines by osmosis hahahaha

[@DubStorm]

5:29 as you said that you missed another free queen 😅

[@iwantcheckmate]

LOL

[@MultiDreamer1234]

Redo attempts until you cannot win by luck anymore, would be interesting.

[@EnvKrAcKzY]

Congrats on 13k

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you!

[@ruxshona-c7o]

Hey! Great vid i like how you upload twice a day. Idk if you actually do it and it's just because of my country being on the other side of the world but still.

[@iwantcheckmate]

Haha for me it is once a day every morning. Thanks for watching :)

[@Monky_boi]

Just got back from school. It’s your turn!

[@CombatT.]

Do it against stockfish please

[@ericthellman7888]

the tables have turned 😮

[@wolfieisjustbetter]

can someone explain to me why the eval bar went up at 16:46 ?

[@iwantcheckmate]

I'd be interested in this as well

[@theredstoneengineer6934]

7:08 missed ladders mate smh

[@iwantcheckmate]

NOOOOO

[@sanssocoolsocool5072]

how about give mangus 1 extra queen untill u lose to see how many queens it takes for him to beat u since u beat him with only queens i think it would make it interesting to see how many it takes for him to defeat u

[@Leo64YT]

Iwanttogetcheckmated

[@datoapriashvili5806]

19:37 why did the eval bar jump

[@iwantcheckmate]

Misguided optimism probably

[@onionrinrins]

LOVING THESE VIDSSS!!

[@iwantcheckmate]

Thank you!!!

[@MRSANS1]

23:35 pawn d4 fork?

[@mostyami]

Exactly why do beginers always play a4 h4??

[@chesswimpton]

setup chess normal dude vs 1300

[@bingledorf]

do this with magnus

[@DancingFredbear69]

Yippee Martin is back I missed him😃

[@iwantcheckmate]

Me too!

[@jeremiel3821]

Hahaha, you lost to Martin, noob. Just kidding, I love these!

[@iwantcheckmate]

LOL Thanks for watching!

[@DaniMiste]

Did stockfish knew you were playing Martin cause why tf was the evaluation for most of the games showing you were winning 😭😭

[@iwantcheckmate]

I have no idea, I assume there's some crazy lines there that I would never see

[@KristjanBoznik]

@@DaniMiste it’s because Stockfish saw Martin was actually playing 4 in a row with his queens instead of chess 😭

[@OmegaF.]

Go for National master, would love to see you on titled tuesday 🎉

[@iwantcheckmate]

Maybe one day, I'll try to get to a level where that's a possibility!

[@edgarhilbert4797]

5:03 Kxg6!!!!