Gkar: Freedom

[@billyjoejimbob75]

Kosh: "They are a dying race. We should let them pass." Sinclair: "Who? The Narn or the Centauri?" Kosh: "........... Yes."

[@AlMcpherson79]

So Kosh is the youtube commenter meme of "not yes/no question answered with yes" before y.t. was a thing!

[@thatHARVguy]

"We are all KZbin commenters."

[@AlMcpherson79]

@@thatHARVguy Exactly.

[@stormaggedon87]

I have always been here

[@erzengelauskreig]

I always thought what Kosh meant by that is that he sees all of the younger races as the same thing. All one race.

[@azraelangelofred]

Takes a HELL of an actor to steal the whole damn scene in that kind of situation. And he did it BEAUTIFULLY.

[@Alkis05]

He didn't steal the scene, he was the scene.

[@xavierenderby5317]

@@Alkis05 wanna be friends?

[@MCDrB-wq8ed]

This is why the proposed reboot of B5 will be an absolute unmitgated disaster. Nobody could replace the late, great Andreas Katsulas in the role. Nobody could replace Peter Jurasik as Londo either, for that matter. The chemistry between those two was pure poetry.

[@ilenastarbreeze4978]

@@MCDrB-wq8ed honestly i feel the same way. Id love tonsee more b5. But i dont know anyway you could match this. Ever.

[@ShrekMeBe]

my thought, exactly ...

[@mr.coomcoom]

"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies can not stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once, we will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years...We will be free." This was the most powerful scene of the entire show, and possibly Andreas greatest performance, imo.

[@99bulldog]

"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall... think of it, always." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[@stonem0013]

I remembwr thinking it was a strangely idealistic and moral speech from a character who had often been a ruthless pragmatist for Narn

[@druunderwood5602]

Its speeches like this that make an EX Purple Triangle start calling himself a Foundationist from now on, The western media bury one's head in the sand when you remind that Azov Is flying Swastikas and Totenkopf's and Vladimir was once KGB, They think we are all dumb, And when the lights go out this winter I know who I'm blaming, Me just this moment and I hate Gandhi.

[@christopherkidwell9817]

Except it did not work that way this time. The only thing that made the Centauri leave? Cartagia's death on Narn, which Londo was able to portray as a 'sign from the gods' for them to leave Narn.

[@MisterW0lfe]

Slava Ukraini!

[@whitemanstand72]

No Dictator, No invaders can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it will take thousand years, we will be free.

[@entertainment-knone9344]

This has got to be the best speech that has ever been spoken on this series. Babylon 5 has always been far superior than Deep Space Nine, which many consider to be a direct clone of Babylon 5. Babylon 5 is the best hard science fiction military series ever produced. Hopefully, one day, every nation on Earth will learn the lesson as highlighted here.

[@luqas99]

@xc5647321 xc5647321 Jesus...

[@washingtonwebfoot9908]

@xc5647321 xc5647321 Goddamn, man....let it go.

[@jasoncarto]

_The Borg: shows up_ _Gkar: surprised pikachu face_

[@washingtonwebfoot9908]

@xc5647321 xc5647321 Funny thing is, the more you spew about it, the less I care.

[@phantomshark]

Londo's facial expressions throughout the speech were priceless. He is so torn inside, he knows that what his people are doing is wrong, but he is the main cause of the Narn defeat. He has to project strength but he is disgusted with himself and his people.

[@Ares99999]

+phantomshark Actually, he wanted the Narn defeated. He just found that his side went too far.

[@NATIK001]

+Ares99999 Still fits with what Phantomshark said, Londo knows he is directly responsible, he wished for and caused the Narn defeat, however his conscience cannot stand for how the Narn were defeated. Londo knows the Centauri emperor is insane and is dragging his entire race down to his level. What Londo wanted was for the Centauri to show themselves superior, to regain the glory of the days of old, instead his wish made the Centauri a pariah to the other races, he did not get glory instead he just got covered in blood and filth.

[@KrK007]

He also began to realize his mistake with Mr. Mordon and his "Associates."

[@xaenon]

KrK007 He realized it almost immediately when he got news of the Narn outpost's destruction. He was aghast at the scale of what he'd set in motion. And again when he witnessed the bombardment of the Narn homeworld.

[@DEP717]

I agree, 100 percent. When Londo spoke, out of frustration, he was mad over the "Eye," and when you come to think of it, running down some space pirates didn't take a ton of firepower, mainly intelligence. I am guessing that Londo figured that Morden's friends had some firepower, but that they had mainly been able to do it because they knew where the bad guys were. There is a big difference between that an a large scale assault on a major power. To go back to the past, before the association developed between Londo & Morden, the Narns had been pushing the Centauri around. Maybe Londo was hoping for some kind of defensive stand to protect the border, or maybe something where the Narn could be persuaded to give up a sector politically. The difference between what Londo "wanted," and what Morden delivered was one of scale. Londo had no idea how powerful or dangerous the Shadows really were until he was basically welded to them as a partner. Londo might have wanted the Narn pushed back a sector or two, which is probably what the average Centauri Admiral would have given as a best case scenario if there was a war. The idea of being able to totally take out the Narn Empire and besiege their homeworld would probably not have been on Londo's radar, or said hypothetical Centauri Admiral's. At least, that was how I saw it at the time.

[@zoesolanki961]

Most underrated TV show of all time. The writing and acting was impeccable.

[@MothMaidenCeri]

well said

[@fullmetal783]

Wow, Andreas Katsulas is such an brilliant actor. Even with that heavy make-up on, his ability to emote is not diminshed. From the dulcet tone of his voice, his expertly timed darting eye movements, the way his lips move when he annunciates...everything is sublime and transcendent. The evolution of his character throughout the series from a broken man with only revenge left in his bones to his spiritual awakening in prison similar to Malcolm X and finally his unwilling rise to prophet. I also loved how both Londo and G'Kar both rose to power unwillingly, sacrificing themselves for their people.

[@KristerAndersson-nc8zo]

+Brandon Turner indeed,honour him.

[@KrK007]

Indeed, he was amazing, and he completely made G'Kar come alive with his skills. Such great writing.

[@rizon72]

And yet, Peter Jurasik is often neglected in this partnership with G'Kar. The two of them had a great way of interacting as if they fed off each other. The two characters, G'Kar and Londo were wonderfully written and acted.

[@Theri4444]

Peter Jurasik was often neglected in this dynamic beetween him and G'Kar. These 2 fed off each other which was quite interesting and the writers did a really good job writing these 2

[@Elthenar]

Those two were a matched pair. Equal yet totally different. Sheridan and Delenn were the driving force of the show, but Londo and G'Kar were the soul.

[@mwhyte1979]

No yelling, no crying, no appealing to the universe about how unfair it all is Just a quiet declaration but oh the power that it conveys is beyond comprehending.

[@STARSTyranT]

You only have to look on Bruce's face here as Sheridan, when he looks upon Andreas giving that speech he's in awe. Absolute awe. What an actor Andreas Katsulas was. And what a moment this was for television.

[@CCB5er34]

Totally and humbly agree with all you said above.

[@ZeitdiebX]

[STARS]TyranT Your observation is correct. Look at Peter Jurasik... he was also so overwhelmed, he momentarily slipped out of character when Andreas spoke. Yo can see it in his eyes. A softness, almost tearing up a little, as if those words were his (Londo‘s) redemption.. but there was no apparent reason to switch from angry to soft to hard-nosed again.. I strongly believe Peter was caught by surprise ... that show... it’s poetry, it’s a form of faith to me. Not a year goes by without a re-watch. Such awesome stories, galactic actor‘s and actress’s performances. That humble tone to all of it. The grandeur. One if not THE best show ever to grace the screens.

[@nbartlett6538]

@@ZeitdiebX I honestly think you are both selling Boxleitner and Jurassik short here. Their expressions are just as expertly acted as Katsulas. For Londo, the bluster of his initial speech is covering for weakness and fear. When G'Kar speaks, that fear shows through because he recognises the truth of the words.

[@DEP717]

Well said, and I agree with all of the above/

[@sharonwilliams3019]

I like all three actors. I love Babylon 5

[@miafillene4396]

That smile at the end. When G'kar realizes that yes, he has allies, and more importantly, He has friends.

[@Raienya]

This scene is one of the absolute best in the series. Not only is G'Kar's speech riveting, gut-wrenching, and eloquent, but how Andreas Katsulas delivers it is magnificent. Then, he leaves the room with such dignity. I cry every time I watch it.

[@TH-zb7sh]

It is a testament to the power and art of Andreas Katsulas' acting that this scene and speech are as powerful as they are when he's wearing several inches of latex and makeup. A true talent, he is missed.

[@Darqshadow]

That handshake at the end.. the way g'kar clenched his hand was like he was holding onto the last bit of hope and will to push forward and he did. Sheridan kept his word even if it would've cost him his rank and possibly his life but that small spark was all that was needed.

[@renardrougesombre]

Words which never grew old, but sounds like spoken right now. May G'Kar be right this time too.

[@chrishieke1261]

"“No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.”" These words of G'Kar are now more true than ever.

[@MROJPC]

Given what is happening around this time, Feb 2022, I came searching for this scene. I see lots of folks had the same thought.

[@pontusvongeijer1240]

I didnt. Im just gay. 😂

[@crb2061]

Yep exactly! Shadows = USA Centauri = Ukrainians Russia = Russia

[@michaelgreenwood3413]

@@crb2061 You're a fucking idiot. Centauri = Russians NATO = B5/Minbari Narn = Ukrainians

[@burtonmoore996]

​@@crb2061wow, what a twisted view of reality.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

No. Londo- Nudelman and Zelensky. G'Kar- Donbass!

[@kickboxerforever00]

R.I.P Andreas Katsulas AKA "G'KAR" Never Forgotten. No Dicatator, No Invader, Can Hold An Imprisoned Population By Force Of Arms Forever!!

[@crypter27]

Its very similar to the quote from Victor Hugo ,no army can stop an idea who's time has come.

[@cesaralejandronieto1097]

wayne gornal

[@paraglide01]

Kim Jung Un can.

[@imonlyamanandiwilldiesomed4406]

Gone, exploring beyond the rim.

[@nodlimax]

@paraglide01 Even he can't do it forever as we have witnessed over the last few weeks/months. Every dictatorship or force that has ruled by using fear and violence in the history of this planet has fallen so far. Obviously there will always be new ones in which leaders think they can do it better and they may persist longer by avoiding mistakes other dictators made. Still they will fall sooner or later.

[@wingmor]

Londo's "NOW!" makes my skin go goosbumps even after all this years. Incredible. Fascinating. Breathtaking.

[@brianu2229]

1:30 It's stuff like this that makes a great show. One of those moments of drama that not only defines people, but peoples and nations, performed in the space of seconds. Even a being as old as Kosh can't help but look. It's in the little moments too. At 2:25, Londo could have just talked over G'kar, but chooses not to. Londo's a patriot, but he knows what he and the Centauri are doing is wrong, and he still respects G'kar despite everything, so he lets him speak. It's incredible writing, from start to finish.

[@Krahazik]

Londo goes through a rollercoaster of emotions and growth as the series progresses.

[@TheAdorkableRJ]

''As a co-sponsor of Babylon 5, the Minbari government supports this decision.'' I love the way Sheridan turns his head to her in that moment, maybe in relief, but also to essentially say, ''Thanks, babe, I knew you'd have my back.'' They're not even a couple yet at this point in the series, but they still stand together on so many of their values.

[@authorjosephj.madden4993]

Such incredibly good writing and acting for an under-appreciated show. The best thing about it is that you see the characters undergo real growth across the years. G'Kar was an antagonist at first, then grew into one of the most likeable and sympathetic charactersof the series. Likewise Londo was a buffoon at first, then became a vile prick, but redeemed himself in the end when he turned on the Shadows. Terrific drama, not just for science fiction, but television in general.

[@stuartgrier5605]

This is one of the best scenes in B5, Andreas Katsulas and Peter Jurasik are just brilliant as G'Kar and Londo. Utterly brilliant, time for my yearly B5 week....

[@IphigeniaAtAulis]

This is one of the best moments in all of television history.

[@JayMaverick]

"No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever." It's 2023 and this is more true than ever.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Yes. Donbass is still standing. 10 years. 10 bloody years!

[@robertoleary5470]

@@tatianalyulkin410that’s an odd way to see the Russian invasion of Ukraine

[@tatianalyulkin410]

We- the West and the East Ukraine- never had anything in common. A lot of my Reb and Reb sympathizers friends became Loyalists after 2022 but it doesn't mean they have any use for BlackRock, Nudelman, Zelensky and his Gestapo/SBU.

[@robertoleary5470]

@@tatianalyulkin410 keep spouting the propaganda

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Keep holding on to Uncle Georgie's Banderite drivel. Hail Hydra! 🤣

[@oomusd]

Londo was also beautiful at turn angry, sad, at awe to G'kar and then back to fear. just by the expressions.

[@nicksmith3245]

Magnificent writing Magnificent acting! London's "NOW!" is so striking, the single moment we know for sure Londo is lost...and then the dignity and power of G'kar's response...!

[@Mike-dl8cq]

Sheridan in a blink of a second, going from diplamatic to full pissed off....even londo realised in that second, that he made mistake :)

[@stuartgrier5605]

Babylon 5. Is the BEST scifi tv show EVER. I watch it every year, cannot get enough of it. Brilliant.

[@SpringIsBACK]

Nov. 13, 2019: Hong Kong needs a G'Kar, and a Sheridan, just about now...

[@testicularoxide5055]

#hongkong4usterritory

[@SN00PICUS]

Long live the God Emperor of the West!

[@evag6370]

I hope these souls exist now, because now more than ever they are needed.

[@fanninn]

Bro you just posted malarkey. You are going to loose delegate

[@albertoswald8461]

All of China, for that matter!!

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

I never wanted to live to a day when this will be relevant, and yet somehow deep down I always felt I would. As a Russian, I feel very much in Vir's shoes right now... #youwererightcitizengkar

[@michaelshigetani433]

Wouldn't that make Putin = Emperor Cartaga? Ok, that actually fits really, really, well.

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

@@michaelshigetani433 I sure hope so, if you know what I mean. Better sooner than later

[@michaelshigetani433]

@@Orimthekeyacolite much better for everyone. Stay safe

[@Orimthekeyacolite]

@@michaelshigetani433 thanks, going to the Minbari embassy next week, so I probably will be. But if I get a chance to go and help the Narn, I'm taking it. Feel guilty every day I'm not there

[@singletona082]

Stay safe. Do not feel ashamed to be Russian. Yours is a proud people with a long and deep history with a culture to be proud of. Sure it has faults, but I speak as someone from the south-eastern chunk of the united states when I say that all cultures have those flaws and moments we're ashamed of. Learn from them, but do not allow yourself to be defined by them. I hope you are well. I hope Russia comes out of this madness and lives up to the promise it by all rights had of being magnificent after shaking off the soviet era. It is a large nation of great miniral and nutritional wealth. Everything is there to allow Russia to be great. You just have to pull the blood sucking leeches off of you. And sadly while 'we' can help... for there to be any hope of it being seen as a legitimate act by Russia itself rather than your country falling to china, or even american interests? It has to be your hands that wrap around the tyrant's neck otherwise it will simply look like you are trading one puppet master for another.

[@javaman97304]

G'Kar's speech shows the caliber of Andreas Katsulas's acting ability.

[@istklar1586]

I remember that scene, I was 13 years old. Now I'm 38 years old and I'll be commenting on this scene again in 10 years. Babylon 5 in honor -Germany

[@jn8712]

I remember when I was watching this series back in the day, this was the moment I knew I was seeing something beyond your normal scifi-fodder.

[@victorrayes1604]

best series in sci-fi ever made .. ! no question !

[@nbartlett6538]

Abso-fricking-lutely dammit!

[@tomabbott5259]

Definately!

[@CCB5er34]

AMEN.

[@danlorett2184]

IDK man, DS9 was pretty baller too.

[@Cortesevasive]

SG1 ?

[@kemisoremekun4887]

I come to this speech (G'kar's) often, as I think of many parts of the world that don't have freedom. Great speech by a great actor.

[@oldmanfromscenetwentyfour8164]

I've rewatched the entire series once again. B5 was a prophetic representation of what is going on politically right NOW!

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Yep. My teach must have at least some West Ukrainian Mal'far blood in him. He predicted a helluva lot.

[@jamesspring4610]

I can't imagine it was easy for someone as proud as G'Kar to ask for help from anyone. His character had really started to grow by this point in season 2. You can see the huge respect Sheridan has for G'Kar in the last minute and twenty seconds of this scene. Huge credit to both actors for their brilliant performances.

[@stonem0013]

He didn't ask - Sheridan offered

[@55Quirll]

The same with Garibaldi when he went to talk with him about arms buying. He offered him help as well in the way he could ship arms to Narn and stay away from B5. 'Why? Because you didn't lie to me.'

[@lindadoune]

@@stonem0013 That is incorrect. Gkar's government told him, in their last message, to ask for sanctuary from Sheridan - and they KNEW it would be hard for him to ask, but it was required of him for all of Narn.

[@Krahazik]

@@lindadoune The scene where he walks into Sheradin's office to make his request is just as powerful

[@1ginner1]

Great scene full of dignity and passion Katsulas and Jurasik at their very best.

[@decam5329]

Two masters of their craft.

[@patriciawalters6778]

Andreas Katsulas was the best actor in the whole series. Peter Jurasik a close second! Londo and G'kar drove the whole thing!

[@CyberBeep_kenshi]

And both combined was even better!

[@ghfun1]

This is epic scene from start to finish I loved everything, from Londo speech of what will be w/The narns and J'kar to Sheridan telling him NO J'kar is here to stay even Delenn helped here ,to Londo shouting now to J'akar standing up and giving the speech of his life and everyone is just standing there in a wow moment I think the actors were in amazement too.. This is Emmy scene

[@sabrekai8706]

I would consider that one of the greatest scenes ever to grace the televisions of the world. Though Andreas Katsulas may be gone, his words will live on .

[@ryancolvert6918]

Still sends a warm feeling into me every time I see it. G'kar really strikes a tone for us in real life. That is one of the reasons Science Fiction can be so good when the story and director are superb.

[@GooglyEyedJoe]

"We will be Free." I love how Andreas says that, it's true passion.

[@Lightingwarrior]

Its moments like this that makes G'Kar one of my favourite Characters on B5

[@GamePlayShare]

mine too. and in the beginning i thought he is an asshole

[@Lightingwarrior]

GamePlayShare Yea, but in the end he became a noble person, which is another reason why I like B5 since it shows a character's development and how they evolve into a better person

[@stevieboymkii]

Londo and G'Kar were a main reason the series was so good. Their dynamic was fantastic.

[@Lightingwarrior]

@@stevieboymkii I wouldn't say the main reason, as Sheriden and Deleann, though Londo and G'Kar were a close second

[@stevieboymkii]

@@Lightingwarrior haha, I did say a main reason rather than the main reason :) That being said, I would view them as joint, with Sheridan and the storylines of the Shadow & Earth wars. Honestly, there's nothing wrong with the Sheridan and Delenn relationship but personally, I would not consider that a highlight of the show. Albeit brief, I'd probably say the Sheridan/Kosh scenes were more enjoyable than the Sheridan/Delenn scenes for me. In terms of secondary, the characters of Bester and Morden!

[@chrisgrigg5462]

I remember watching this scene as a jerk. And Andreas steals it. But look at Peter closely. He is doing something so subtle in this scene. The guilt on his face in that final section is so perfect for Londo's irrational behaviour

[@mikecimerian6913]

The Book of G'Kar has a coffee ring on one page, all Narn books of wisdom have to be copied exactly by hand.

[@pcuimac]

Mike Cimerian Nice snipe at the people who take religion much to serious.

[@DrownedInExile]

It's the best part of the book! LOL

[@testicularoxide5055]

Page 436 G'quan writes of the mindwalkers...

[@SogoTX]

Coffee ring edit courtesy of Michael Garibaldi... ;)

[@SogoTX]

@@testicularoxide5055 Garibaldi: "The clues are right HERE... (thumps book...) G'Kar: "PLEASE do not thump the Book of G'Quan..." ;)

[@KrK007]

Another scene demonstrating everything wonderful about this show. The acting, the writing, the music. It's so good.

[@johndaugherty7465]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C.S. Lewis

[@gregsteele806]

Truer today than when he first wrote it.

[@spaceclaw1958]

I can think of no better description of Republicans & democrats, than simply "robber barons, and moral busybodies"

[@55Quirll]

That is what should be read at the opening of all Legislative Secession's, not sure it would help but it should be done anyway.

[@johntate6537]

A somewhat ironic attitude to adopt for an ardent Christian like Lewis considering the role played by the church in European history for roughly a millennium and a half...

[@blagageorge3824]

@@spaceclaw1958 implying republicans aren't moral busy bodies themselves when matters like religions, science or things like drug legalization are at hand. then they suddenly want a police state to 'enforce good christian morals' or whatever euphemism they use these days

[@viv-i-vangoesforth]

G'kar's speech is legendary in the annals of science fiction history. It still sends chills down my spine. These words should be written in every constitution EVERYWHERE. RIP Andreas, you gave G'kar a "Humanity" never seen in any alien race. Sheridan's summing up of him was pure magic.

[@661prometheus]

I remember when i first saw this scene i was literaly petrified for a while and to this day every time i see it i get goosebumps.

[@unplugthematrix12]

I think every dictator and psychopathic control freak needs to hear this speech. I get teary eyed every time I watch it. And this is coming from a fictional character. I can't remember any historical figure who said anything remotely near this eloquent and inspiring.

[@milesc4175]

+UnplugTheMatrix "Men since the beginning of time have sought peace. Various methods through the ages have attempted to devise an international process to prevent or settle disputes between nations. From the very start workable methods were found insofar as individual citizens were concerned, but the mechanics of an instrumentality of larger international scope have never been successful. Military alliances, balances of power, leagues of nations, all in turn failed, leaving the only path to be by way of the crucible of war. _We have had our last chance._ If we do not now devise some greater and more equitable system, Armageddon will be at our door. The problem basically is theological and involves a spiritual recrudescence and improvement of human character that will synchronize with our almost matchless advances in science, art, literature and all material and cultural developments of the past two thousand years. It must be of the spirit if we are to save the flesh." -Douglas MacArthur at the signing of the peace treaty ending war between Japan and the United States.

[@khatack]

+UnplugTheMatrix The Roman Empire had a dictator for several centuries, yet the people were mostly free. In the muslim world, most dictators have been overthrown and democracy reigns, yet people in those countries live in fear. Democracy isn't the same thing as Freedom, Dictatorship isn't the same thing as Tyranny.

[@simonl4657]

+UnplugTheMatrix Freedom is kind of relative. What is free to one person is not the same to another. And history has shown that people who are free has a tendency to progressively choose slavery and vice versa.

[@khatack]

Simon L that's because people don't really want universal freedom, they want freedom for themselves and rules to govern the actions of others to make the world more predictable and less scary for them.

[@simonl4657]

khatack​ in other words, everyone wants to be a dictator and force others to do their bidding. I get it. All this fighting between political parties is really to force the opposing side to be the slave

[@Ares99999]

"NOW!!" Superb moment. After hearing Sheridan all but gloating about the fact that G'Kar would stay free and that he didn't sign the surrender agreement, it was nice to see Londo shut the man up.

[@videoviralgeek]

+Ares99999 Seeing Sheridan go from shocked to pissed off in about two seconds was amazing, I loved it when Londo shouted "NOW!". One of my favorite scenes.

[@Ares99999]

MonstrousEntity Well, Sheridan was generally a self-righteous asshole. So was Londo, true, but at least Londo eventually dropped much of his self-righteousness. Sheridan never did.

[@singletona082]

When Delin spoke. Londo KNEW he had lost. He at that moment thought back to his warning earth away from the membari. Yet his pride, Ego, and Stubbornness at being so close to getting his way demanded that he couldn't stop.

[@BlueHooloovoo]

Once again Babylon 5 shows parallels and prescience to what's happening in reality. Such a powerful scene.

[@tilasole3252]

Star Trek did that as well.

[@zooropa04]

God, I miss Babylon 5. Andreas Katsulas fucking brought it on this show.

[@azraelknightquest5754]

I'm going to be real. I'm going to tell the hard truth as best I believe and know it. This show at times was corny. It had cringeworthy moments and it had sometimes rather overdramatic performances that made me wince. And it was at times an AMAZING show that could stir emotions, feelings, thoughts and viewpoints. It had some of the most POWERFUL moments and it had dialogue that could be so MOVING and RELEVANT with EXCELLENT performances that outdo almost anything else. This scene was excellent. The actor portraying G'Kar (God rest his soul in Heaven) was truly AMAZING. As a man of Irish ethnicity with some family in Ireland, I can understand G'kar and his speech concerning the English and it's history. But I also remember G'kar can forgive. This was amazing. I am grateful for the memories. I am grateful it erred on the side of POWERFUL performances rather than underwhelming ones. I am grateful, for the show Babylon 5.

[@evelynraymond]

One of the best speeches in the entire series.😎

[@alexflores7652]

Gkar's freedom speech reminds of the speech for the movie the Dictator with Charlie Chaplin

[@jn8712]

NOW! One of the profound moments of my childhood.

[@meliodasgloom1818]

I swear.... this man. This paragon of a being... after everything, EVERYTHING! He endured. Be it the loss, pain, torture, exile, humiliation, failure... He still stood tall. After their 1st war for independence. He stood tall. After his attempted assassination. He stood tall.... After being beaten, broken, exiled and had to scrimp and scrape to hold what little unity he could. Enduring everything he did..... He still... stood... tall...

[@sanctuxx2074]

i love Adnreas Katsulas' protrayal of G'kar and believe it's one of the best characters and actor portrayals in TV history, however what not seen is the love for Peter Jurasik's portrayals of Londo. the part where he cuts Sheridan off with that "NOW" was perfect. timing, inflection and emotion, it gives me goose bumps every time i see it.....

[@stevedixon921]

My favorite part of that council room scene was the way G'kar slowly walked away from Londo.

[@marcinlewicki5601]

I wonder how YT algorithm works, that this very accurate fragment was shown in my list. Grat show btw, best:)

[@djplayskeys]

Gkar was my favorite character on that show. Partially thanks to the amazing acting of Andreas Katsulas. And Londo knew Gkar spoke truth before leaving the council chamber. The interaction between those two was the best subplot of the whole series.

[@hellsfirefreedomtube6984]

This show has one of the best character building out of any show I’ve ever seen in my life. A lot of shows don’t hold a candle to BABYLON 5

[@jrsanders1212]

I feel John Sheridan inhaling and being ready to fight in this moment. Then G'kar speaks words that are universal to all people.

[@MrNintoku]

I like the Elevator Scene the best. G'Kar having a right old time seeing Londo act like a cornered rat. I was laughing so hard.

[@TheZorolord]

+Phelan lol :D great scene great actors, long live G'Kar!

[@geoffwilliams4478]

As the humans say: Up yours, die! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@horsesboy]

eeven better is the fact the G'kar was laughing was a spur of the moment choice by Andrea's and not scripted. The man was brilliant.

[@55Quirll]

Londo said to kill him, he didn't want to suffer, G'kar said no, if I killed you than 500 Narns would be killed in retaliation. How is that for irony.

[@Mustakoralli]

feels relevant right now :(

[@crazyman8472]

"Though it take a thousand years...we will be free!" A thousand? Try less than three; how does that grab you? 😎

[@thomashauptmann1234]

GKar und Londo waren/sind einfach nur klasse gespielt und später wie sie noch Freunde wurden, einfach nur Hammer.

[@alrivas1477]

We just finished rewatching the series on HBO. Magnificent. Can’t wait for the new one.

[@maximprikhodko8204]

New one is shelved. Concept of the pilot was scrapped. JMS hopes for next year or another studio to pick up but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[@patrickdillon500]

I love the way G'kar stands up from his chair...the actors that were in this series KILLED every aspect they could. From the way they moved to the simple delivery of lines. This is theater in space done right.

[@lindabalck6769]

JMS Can write. This, The Centari Emperor, Other G'Kar speeches they all bring tears to my eye

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Write? Hell, my teach can predict the future.

[@OrinDac]

When I got to this part in the series, I totally wanted to go buy a ship and start supplying weapons to the Narn and shuttling people off the world and ambushing Centauri patrol craft and just be the Jim Raynor to his Tassadar SO bad. Also, would have loved to have seen King Arthur make a return during the Centauri occupation. Would've been cool to have him show up randomly leading a band of freedom fighters.

[@JnEricsonx]

That would have been great. I loved the episode with Michael York. To paraphrase G'Kar, "No ancient enemies or prophecies! They were the bad guys, and we were the good guys!"

[@michaelshigetani433]

Apparently we don't learn too well. To think, this is relevant AGAIN.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

It never stopped. Operation Paperclip.

[@michaelshigetani433]

@@tatianalyulkin410 I was thinking Russia invading Ukraine.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

That's precisely what I was talking about. Even as far back as 1945 the Ukrainian and the Russian anti Bolsheviks were treated differently. Vlasov vs. Bandera. We were never against the Bolsheviks. We were always against Russia.

[@TeddGCM]

They just don't make SciFi shows like this anymore! The character development over special effects made it! The G'Kar/Malory relationship development was outstanding! From mortal enemies to reluctant friends. One of my favorite scenes was G'Kar saying "My people can never forgive your people, but I can forgive you."

[@hubbsllc]

*Still* a better love story than TWILIGHT!😁

[@HighLordBlazeReborn]

Something of interest in the council scene- Kosh's presence. He really doesn't need to be at this (what any other Vorlon would consider) petty argument and waste his time, yet he is. And not only is he there, he seems to feel for G'kar- he actually turns to look at G'kar after Londo demands his removal, then follows him out with his head.

[@VeritechGirl]

They definitely broke the mold when they made this

[@Swordsquire]

And this is why I loved this show WAY more than ANYTHING Star Trek, Next Gen and beyond.

[@dlenn7]

Brilliant. Still miss this. Two great actors playing too great characters.

[@ghanimajade]

Truer words were never spoken. By far the best scene in the whole series.

[@donaldpaluga]

ghanimajade Nah, I think Vir telling Morden off was better

[@JnEricsonx]

And now I wanna cry. RIP Stephen Furst.

[@Silfir]

A lot of attention on the speech, but I love the interaction between Sheridan and G'Kar that you graciously included even more. Londo's betrayal shook G'Kar to the core. He had judged Londo to be a person worthy of trust, despite his people being the sworn enemy of his own, and look what happened. He was proven wrong. There's a big part of him that cautions him against trusting anyone ever again based on his own judgment of people - specifically, non-Narns. Trust is a lie, hope is a lie, cooperation is a lie. In shaking hands with Sheridan, he makes a conscious decision to choose otherwise - he chooses to believe, despite the evidence, that his ability to discern whether a person is trustworthy or not is not at fault with Sheridan. He could just as easily not have shaken that hand; what he said would have served as an explanation that Sheridan would have accepted. "Fair enough, anyone would have trust issues after something like that." It could have been a much slower process. But it didn't take G'Kar even twenty-four hours to pick himself off the mat. What a guy. Much later it turns out he was right about Londo, too. Londo *was* sympathetic, but he felt he had no other choice but to do his duty - whether out of loyalty or out of self-preservation. Something G'Kar understands, since asking for sanctuary was also something he did purely to fulfill his duty to the Narn people. Eventually all the pieces fall into place for G'Kar as to what person Londo is at his core, which is why he was ultimately able to forgive him.

[@thomasbom436]

Londo should not have been forgiven, there are crimes that are unforgivable, submitting a people to slavery is one of them.

[@StockportJambo]

School children are given Shakespeare to learn. I would like to think that in another couple of hundred years (if our species survives that long) that children are given this to learn instead.

[@daveanderson8011]

In another time and in another Universe the book of G'kar is essential reading, stories will be told and songs will be sung about a person who sacrificed himself for his people and the name of G'kar is spoken with reverence

[@robertbusek30]

Both. Both would be good.

[@stevetheduck1425]

In 'deconstruction of falling stars' we see that this has happened. The characters of B5 are revealed to be semi-legendary icons similar to King Arthur and his Knights.

[@frankclarady6643]

Jesus...that scene STILL gives me goosebumps whenever I watch it!

[@carloreneeventura8714]

the acting, the music score, the story, all of it, i have no other words to say but *thank you*

[@GunGriffin187]

A speech all Americans should hear and fight back against evil ditcators and their wannabes at home and abroad...

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Are you talking about JMS' precious darling who walks on water when he's not torturing and disappearing people?

[@BlueHooloovoo]

It's moments like this that elevate Babylon 5 to heights most sci-fi shows wish they could be.

[@DropB3arZ]

Andreas and Peter are such awesome actors, every scene they did together was a show stealer, everything in Babylon 5 revolved around their relationship. Still one of the Best Sci Fi Series ever

[@BarbazuX]

RIP Andreas. You will always be remembered.

[@thull21]

I love the look Sheriden gives Londo. As though he is daring him to raise his voice to him again.

[@mountainstartemple6041]

It's amazing to think that in the multi-year arc of this show , Londo and G'Kar went from being total rivals to friends ...... possibly their last scene together with Londo saying the position of Emperor changes you ... and G'Kar saying even if his people can never forgive his people, that he can forgive Londo .... wow, this show was a roller-coaster of so many things... emotions, political understanding, being introduced to the idea of fake news propaganda, etc ... I feel this show opened my eyes to how things really work in the world of political power , media control and many other things

[@Argusthecat]

That's the second to last scene together, and the very last one completes the cycle of tragedy.

[@KINDaf]

Probably why the show didn't gain traction. Because it want promoted by the powers that be

[@gordontaylor4184]

Londo is the greatest character in Sci-fi. He goes from being almost a buffoon to a villain and then, by the end of the series, someone who is willing to sacrifice himself to save his world and then becomes a prisoner of his past actions.

[@tilasole3252]

I liked when Londo opened his mouth to say something, then realized he had nothing to say and promptly shut it with not even a sigh.

[@Okiedog1]

"Though it take a thousand years, we will be *free*." You tell 'em G-Man!

[@Colin_]

I heard a rumor a while ago that they wanted to reboot B5. But how could you come close to this level of acting and emotion. You may be able to outdo the graphics and sets etc but the people playing those iconic roles can never be replicated.

[@charlesw5919]

This is arguably the definitive speech of the entire series.

[@whitemanstand72]

Keeva2006 yes it does shivers down myspine of embarrassment. I know which episode and season that was. That speech was just plain childish. They could have done it better on Ivonava speech.

[@oomusd]

"You came just as far to say less" Delenn was also a beautiful orator.

[@SpringIsBACK]

+oomusd "Don't look away, Captain."

[@Areanyusernamesleft]

+oomusd agreed but I still prefer, "Why not? Only one human captain has survived battle with the Minbari fleet. He is behind me. You are in front of me. If you value your lives, be somewhere else!" ;)

[@KrK007]

Londo's dialogue was often fantastic as well. An example of an impactful scenes in Babylon 5 is where he confronts Mr. Mordon and destroys the Shadow base, and then he tells Vir to kill him....

[@oliverschloter]

Andreas Katsulas ein großartiger Schauspieler, mit Karismar

[@gregjenkinson7512]

One of the things I love about this scene is the fact we know Londo is conflicted, we know the war has gone far beyond anything he wanted, but he can't let others see that. Knowing that under the harsh words and demanding tone is a man who's trapped in a situation where he sees no escape adds a whole other level to the performance.

[@roffel06]

"My shoes are too tight. But it does not matter because I have forgotten how to dance."

[@robwalsh9843]

Some things never change.

[@WireMosasaur]

I love the power dynamic flowing here: Londo waxing loud about how G'kar can no longer be in power, Sherridan smugly flipping that by saying he's under sanctuary, Londo flipping THAT by sheer volume and pedantic viciousness with his NOW!! sending G'kar out the room like a naughty pet, but then G'kar just quietly flawlessly taking it and owning it, making his quiet voice and exit the most powerful move in the room by far - just awesome

[@Talon0524]

Chilling when I watched it for the first time during its original run, just as chilling now in 2020.

[@tatianalyulkin410]

Right on cue- another " expert " on Ukraine. 🤣

[@spleefthedude7747]

Best Science Fiction series ever created hands-down.