Glenn Loury: The Spiral of Silence in Social Justice

[@SvenErik_Lindstrom3]

I sometimes try to be the child, but it is hard. Fortunately, Glenn Loury is such an inspiration!

[@dparamful]

This is a person who ACTUALLY cares about ppl who are struggling.

[@fatso1959]

Love the wisdom of Glenn Loury

[@jasoncollin9949]

Thank you, Thank you, God Bless you! I have been a fan and appreciate your wisdom. Compromise, common sense, care, and unification of communities is a goal worth fighting for. A goal that has no enemies, a goal that has no losers.

[@dale9724]

FAIR for All has given us hope. Thank you. 🇨🇦

[@FairForAll_Org]

Thank YOU!

[@jaysgamingcorner8539]

Professor Loury is speaking straight wisdom here. I really wish he had a bigger audience, lots of people need to hear his views on some tough subjects.

[@kham6006]

He’s the Thomas sowell of today -such a smart man

[@zizendorf]

Thank you! Please all...lend yourself to bringing an end to the culture wars.

[@allyourbase888]

I’m with you Professor Loury. 🤝

[@dougsherman1562]

Stay strong Professor Loury, the country needs strong black leadership now more than ever. Happy holidays to you and your family.

[@mikegray8776]

There are few more balanced and sensible voices in the post-media landscape than Glenn Loury. Hold on tight people - the ride will be bumpy, but an end to the madness might just be in sight. Not this week, not this year ….. but incrementally and irrevocably, the insanity needle is moving backwards!

[@EccentricAuntWanda1]

This is outstanding.

[@FairForAll_Org]

Thank you!

[@jmindy7]

Glenn, appreciate the insights. We are not alone.

[@lgude]

This KZbin alone demonstrates the difference between race relations when I was young and today. I did not meet a Black person who spoke with a neutral American accent until I was a junior at Columbia in NYC in 1963 when I met a black fellow student who had been raised by an upper middle class white family in Connecticut. He hadn’t been accepted in a Black university because of his accent and had transferred to Columbia. Now I listen to you and many other Black Americans talk effectively and powerfully and smile in gratitude that the work that was done in our time was highly effective in ending the inequality of opportunity that made it so that I experienced no Black professors or public intellectuals speaking at Columbia. I was aware that Malcom X was speaking out down the hill in Harlem but never expected him to be invited to come up to Morningside Heights to speak to us. Those were different times and those claiming nothing has changed insult the many Black Americans who, unlike the relatively smaller number of Black people who managed great achievements following the Civil War, have come to play a major role right across American life.

[@MelissaKnoxwriter]

Thank you for spelling out the costs of the spiral of silence. "And a little child shall lead them"--the child has the honesty the adults have lost. The Emperor's New Clothes indeed--that's the world created by those who've been Kendied and DiAngeloed.

[@stp479]

Two parasites in search of a host.

[@CLEMIATHON]

Always eloquent and thoughtful. You do society a great service Glenn.

[@jessbendel5792]

Someone sent me this video today. Love it! Reminds me of a book I read about BPD called walking on eggshells. I read it to help me empathise with my family after I got diagnosed and treated. Social justice seems heavily influenced by people with undiagnosed cluster b disorders

[@sanctuary2103]

Randi Kreger’s ‘Stop Walking On Eggshells’ is a terrific book not just about interactions with persons suffering from BPD but also a great primer about the importance of establishing boundaries. Boundaries are often confused with the notion of setting ultimatums or drawing rigid lines in the sand with the potentially toxic people we interact with in our lives but can be more simply understood as developing and embracing personal autonomy. In other words for you (or any of us) to carve a walkable path toward a reasonably rewarding, fulfilling and self-directed life we must first develop and adhere to a simple understanding of what our responsibilities are and aren’t. It is not your or my responsibility to control or direct the lives and behaviors of others (our own early developing children are exceptions). In fact this is an impossibility unless you believe yourself a warlock or magician. The only person’s behavior that you can choose to control is your own. Read that again. For the most extreme of the ‘social justice’ personality types this boundary does not exist a can be a first and defining trait of individuals who could be accurately described as cluster B. And while these behaviors used to be seen more in the chat rooms and commentaries of internet and social media sites (Twitter, Facebook, KZbin, etc) they have metastasized almost fully into the public square. Turn on any cable news or daytime talk program, or mainstream ‘news’ or print media to see this in full effect. Two additional pieces of reading you may enjoy - the Drama Triangle by Dr. Stephen Karpman which is probably the dominate behavioral model of our social and public discourse today. Victim-Rescuer-Persecutor, rinse and repeat. The second is ‘Search For The Real Self’ by Dr. James Masterson. Masterson was a researcher and clinician whose practice dealt primarily with treating individuals diagnosed with NPD (Narcissitic Personality Disorder) and BPD. He is of the most astute and empathetic clinicians I have ever read. Good luck. ;)

[@willmercury]

I strongly recommend Josh Slocum's Disaffected Podcast here on KZbin. He considers all of the malignant and chimerical manifestations of Wokeness through a psychological lens, specifically cluster B personality disorders. He's very candid about his own experiences, and is an adroit thinker and slashing wit. Also, Leslie Elliott's Radical Center podcast on KZbin discloses her experience as a graduate student in psychology at Antioch, where critical social justice ideology has distorted the curriculum into pure propaganda. Good hunting.

[@sanctuary2103]

@@willmercury Yes. A few months ago I watched Mr. Slocum on the Triggernometry podcast and he seemed very knowledgable and accurate in his observations. Keep in mind social media and social media commentary sites often function as virtual clearinghouses for cluster B behaviors - i.e. black and white (aka all or none) thinking, projection, splitting (organizing individuals into “all good” or “all bad” categories), triangulation (see: Karpman), scapegoating and a host of others - even if the persons commenting are not necessarily diagnosed with cluster B. The common denominator in all these defensive behaviors is the attempt to ward off the pain associated with anxiety by any means necessary. Generally speaking, people do not gather in online political forums to express how reasonably balanced, self-directed and fulfilling their lives are, they gather there to cathect.

[@mikefinlayson9907]

Thank you Dr. Loury

[@woodwyrm]

Thank god for Dr Glenn Loury

[@uhtredlundar8394]

Well said Professor Loury! The example of courage often cited is running into a burning building to the rescue. Today I find many adults, given the choice, would rather run into the building versus being the child speaking the truth. I would include myself in that criticism.

[@beamanact]

BRAVO, PROFESSOR LOURY.

[@michaelbradym7893]

Thank you for this Glenn! Fantastic commentary!

[@oceania2385]

Thanks Glenn! We appreciate you.

[@pjacobsen1000]

I'd like to see FAIR do a 2-hour interview with Glenn Loury. His thoughts are always worth listening to, even if you disagree.

[@kimj5037]

Wonderful video!! I've been watching Glenn and John's discussions for the past 2.5 years. Love them both so much!! And Thank you, FAIR, for these positive messages. You're inspiring more people to channel their inner child and call out the Emperors. I've found myself speaking out more this past year, and it feels good.

[@nadia-bb5mn]

My mother always told me that you have to pick a side. When I take a middle ground position, she says I am wishy washy, fence sitting and afraid to take a strong stance. I remind her that by taking a more nuanced position taking ALL the information into account, that everyone hates me from both sides. How can that be wimpy?

[@philsdon8932]

I'm the child and I speak frankly. I'm also the person who has lost friends and the respect from family members.

[@kevinwells6115]

Yours Truly Life Story!

[@sophsweet]

Brilliant! particularly the bit with extreme views drowning the majority with mild views out of the conversation

[@rymnbn]

True, thank you for this amazing video. 👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Eugene17420]

Truth! Thank you for this message

[@crepuscule47]

I just subscribed to your channel, Dear Sir. Respectful, open-minded, constructive discussions are the key to not only improve certain aspects of our public lives, but also to maintain those aspects we have gained through hard fought historical battles and too often take for granted.

[@kkrenken895]

Great stuff!!

[@jasons92]

Loury for president!

[@MissNatalonga]

This is so valuable, thank you.

[@just_another32]

Fantastic video!!!!

[@chdao]

We are so lucky to have Glenn Loury. He says what no white man is allowed to say.

[@statisticaldemystic6817]

Very well explained. Thank you.

[@nathanngumi8467]

Word.

[@simplulo]

Not sure that it's the silence that is spiraling, but rather the anti-social behavior, which will finally provoke the "silent majority" to speak. A related spiral: the "purity spiral".

[@py_a_thon]

The purity spiral makes me not want to speak so I can get small pieces of fungible paper(or tokens) backed by government... Have you also examined the inverse issue?

[@py_a_thon]

I like munny

[@terdferguson1736]

Fuck, I love Glenn, and I can’t be silent about it, anymore!

[@jesusalejandrogutierrezsul9625]

“Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 18:1-3)

[@HCY-0207]

Exactly

[@darylloth3237]

So much ancient wisdom, common sense and "golden rule" content on this channel. I imagine the subscribership will rise as more people stop fearing retribution from the ideological judgementalists. I suspect that a large portion of society already agree with the content and don't feel the need to be told(?). I sense that we as a society are slowly evolving past the current stage in which we find ourselves. For example, I can imagine it being acceptable for Al Franken to run again one day if he chose to. Glenn Loury and John McWhorter (and others in FAIR) are torchbearers for the future we need to achieve. It is notable that the ratio of presumed real names vs pseudonyms of commenters on this channel seems to be relatively high compared to what one normally sees in social media in general. It may be anecdotal but could be the subject of a study.

[@FiremarshalM1]

"Fairy tales are more than true, not because they tell us dragons 🐉 exist, but because they show us they can be defeated." CK Chesterton

[@Mark-hc8ek]

We should call it what it is -- fascism

[@nancya7289]

Umm. Nope. Look it up.

[@530jazzercise]

“Spiral of silence” does not describe the psychological (and financial) warfare to which dissenters are subjected…it is called “secure tolerance” by those who police it.

[@VedantaKesari]

He holds the position of Thich Nhat Hanh.

[@Ton369]

Liberals will lecture you on the value of diversity even whilst loading their Uhaul truck.

[@worldwidewaltfx8989]

its difficult to be the kid who speaks the truth about the king because just as in the end of the story, although he was exposed THE KING CONTINUED ON AS IS...... so now what must be done?

[@rajatkarmakar4586]

A bengali poem "naked king"- Rabindranath Tagore.

[@StephenKentMedia]

This is good. Y'all need to edit this a bit to tighten up the pauses between Loury's main points. Awkward gaps and the whole thing could flow much better. A bit jargon-heavy around 2:55, and plain speak would be better. OTHERWISE....fantastic video and will be sharing it enthusiastically.

[@FairForAll_Org]

Thanks Stephen! Jake, the video’s director here. I tend to like to keep a lot of the pauses to help give the viewer time to process things and let the points land. We are both very familiar with the subject matter so that may feel slower for us, but hopefully it is helpful for someone encountering these ideas for the first time.

[@StephenKentMedia]

@@FairForAll_Org rock n roll. I found it jarring but maybe you're right, perhaps that does give someone new to these ideas time to process it all. FAIR!

[@jeffc6832]

I'm of the impression that Glenn's pauses are very purposeful. That is, he wants what he is saying to sink in before he moves onto the next sentence. I appreciate and admire everything Glenn does, he's an American treasure that more people need to discover.

[@johnhamel4662]

Very well-said.

[@MrJimwinder]

In family you risk losing relationships. At work you risk your job. Weighing the cost we keep our mouths shut and avoid taking about all of this. And if we talk with other like minded people we fear the phone is hearing and documenting our true feelings. Academics of color can do this like Glen and we are glad. Or maybe the elderly. The rest of us are frustrated decent people who see our society losing ions of its most precious and historically upheld qualities - the right to speak and not get canceled, fired, or ostracized from family.

[@redbaron07]

Exactly. In today's real world version of the Emperor's New Clothes, the boy was taken away for a mental health evaluation and then sent to a re-education camp where they forced him to accept and recite that there is more than one definition of "clothes" and he should be more inclusive in his thinking.

[@cherilynnfisher5658]

See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil. Oh wait. . . there's a predator hunting and we is pegged as the prey!

[@billybud9557]

Currently, if you say a word about levels of crime in Black communities, you are a racist. Better to let problems go unnoticed. Perhaps they'll solve themselves. Or maybe I.....and you....should be able to address any problem openly....not circuitously and vaguely.....stay strong....but stay safe Prof.

[@cmcull987]

I was thinking that a person establishing a scientific idea is the first person to do so. And it will be controversial. But I also think why can we not be kind and consider that idea might be valid and useful for those ahead of us.

[@SpiderFromMars81]

THIS

[@benthomas4544]

I don't like the comparison of Kapernick to a violent protests. Plenty of people felt comfortable speaking against him, so it was an odd example to use. Otherwise I agree.

[@craigdiesslin7441]

why didn't the character also turn toward the "Pro-choice no limits" side?

[@timstevens3025]

I like Glenn Loury a lot, but I didn't like the comparison between Kaepernick taking a knee and the image of a BLM rioter (not protestor) engaging in and inciting violence. I get that the self-censoring impulse to NOT speak about both events is what he's talking about, but they're apples and oranges from a a moral perspective.

[@kevinwells6115]

Sympathetic Magic State Religion/Witchcraft?

[@richardmigliore1680]

I think I agree with your message, Professor Loury. And I really do appreciate listening to you quite frequently. But, good God, dear sir. Are you really putting Colin Kaepernick in the same category as racial justice extremists?

[@billmorrison9068]

I would. For spreading lies.

[@HonestlyNow4Real]

Point taken, and greatly welcomed. Very unfortunate that a clearly life-and-death matter like abortion has been lumped in alongside matters like affirmative action and protection of sexual deviations. Discussion of homosexuality and discrimination based on skin color allow for more middle ground than do the killing of preborn babies. The finality of abortion makes it more of a binary - shall killing be accepted or denied?

[@joanr3189]

“Preborn babies.” Invented speech.

[@HonestlyNow4Real]

@@joanr3189 Perhaps. It's been invented to clarify, though. Did it communicate effectively? A couple conceives ... a baby. Then they see ultrasounds of ... the baby. Then they reveal the gender of ... the baby. Then comes labor, where the BABY is ABOUT TO be born. It's the same baby all the way from conception through birth. So saying "preborn baby" helps to clarify that biological scientific reality, in a way that focuses our attention on the core truth of abortion: an abortion "procedure" is only successful if someone dies.

[@FiremarshalM1]

Roland Fryer is better looking than that avatar. 😊

[@joshualovelace3375]

Who? Jordan B. Peterson!

[@sastracaksusa2728]

Your argument isn't very strong. In the story, what the boy does is point out an observable fact (the emperor has no clothes). But in the examples you gave, what you recommend is people voice their opinions ABOUT the facts (i.e. they SHOULDN'T kneel during the national anthem, or burn things down). But facts and opinions are obviously different. That being the case, what's the argument why they shouldn't do those things? It's not given in this video... so there's not much substance to the rhetoric here.

[@RealYRM]

I can provide a few "no clothes" examples if you like, pointing out some problems with woke ideas. 1 - Disrespecting the national anthem offends families of all races who've lost loved ones in military service. 2 - BLM activism can't factually show, with data, that the cause has helped black lives or families. 3 - The quote "black people can't be racist b/c no systemic power" isn't true because minorities lead most cities.

[@savedfaves]

Because burning things down is unproductive and destroyed communities needlessly. Including communities made up of some of the people this fight is supposedly for. You think the people in media would be for this is it were happening outside of their house and on their street? A better thing would be to give people a full picture of the history of said statue. That’s how people learn. Burning things down (history) isn’t how people learn. It keeps people ignorant and makes people emotional and violent. As for kneeling, it’s subservient and reinforces racial stereotypes. Everyone should stand and be treated equally and the US media specifically should stop focusing their energy on race and trying to divide people. In France this kind of focus is not on race and people just try to get along

[@randolphcarter4560]

I thought the rhetoric was actually about the observable facts being out there for us to discover, but too few people are discovering them for fear of their investigation of them being perceived by the culture AS a proclamation of opinion. In the story, everyone has discovered the same observable fact (i.e. the emperor is naked), but nobody will speak on it for fear of being deemed foolish. In the examples Glenn gave, people were deliberately avoiding even looking at the facts for fear of being deemed racist. For example, it's an obvious fact that burning down a community is harmful to that community, but to say so in the case of BLM is societally accepted as being implicitly against the cause for which the people who burnt it are fighting, even if the majority do not buy into that. The culture of silence permits commentary on observable facts to be dismissed as just a fringe viewpoint, even when that viewpoint is in fact the majority view.

[@billmorrison9068]

People should not spread destructive and divisive lies and untruths, or accept their spread while fearing to speak up against them. There's the substance. I guess you missed that.

[@nickaslanidis6156]

It's not given in the video because that's not what the video's about. It doesn't matter what the issue or event is. What matters is that we create a society in which people don't feel the need to self censor as it really doesn't do anyone any good in the long run.

[@dledge1080]

Even Glenn has bought into the fatherless homes myth... There are twice the number of poor and fatherless w hite people yet and still the mu rder, violen t crime rates are nowhere near that of a certain other race... Maybe, its not software, but hardware that is the issue.

[@slydog7131]

You must talk about rates, not absolute numbers. Certainly there are too many fatherless homes overall, but it is a bigger problem in the black community.

[@dledge1080]

@@slydog7131 1. I "must" write about whatever I want. 2. I used the raw data to highlight their ignorance. They say crime is caused in large part due to poverty. What I wrote blows up that theory. I could ask them, hhhmmmm, say, why if thats the case do w children from families making under 20K have lower crim e rates than b kids from families that make over 80K? If I present inte rracial crime data...Like.. w on b vio lent cri me happens once for roughly every 45 times b on w does... Do you actually believe they will see that and say, oh, I guess I will change my opinion? Never... To most it really doesnt matter how I frame anything, the reality is what they have an issue with.

[@slydog7131]

@@dledge1080 wrote: " 1. I "must" write about whatever I want. 2. I used the raw data to highlight their ignorance. They say crime is caused in large part due to poverty. What I wrote blows up that theory. I could ask them, hhhmmmm, say, why if thats the case do w children from families making under 20K have lower crim e rates than b kids from families that make over 80K? If I present inte rracial crime data...Like.. w on b vio lent cri me happens once for roughly every 45 times b on w does... Do you actually believe they will see that and say, oh, I guess I will change my opinion? Never... To most it really doesnt matter how I frame anything, the reality is what they have an issue with." Reply: Your post is misinformation in that it inappropriately uses statistics. It is untruth, it misleads, it is wrong and it is nothing but your agenda. Feel free to make well-reasoned arguments and express alternate views, but don't ignorantly use numbers inappropriately.

[@eddewan307]

Background diddle-daddle (aka "music") is stupid and point less.

[@thomasreaves588]

Alot of these comments below are obviously "bought and paid for" Seems like this channel as employed the services of a public relations firm and online marketers.

[@FairForAll_Org]

I assure you this is false.

[@tarek_maza]

That''s so dumn true! Always speak your mind, and always be honest with yourself!

[@YourLocalCopiumDealer]

The animations were a nice addition to illustrate Glenns argument, but the suspenseful music was a mistake. The music didn't reinforce him, it distracted from him and even made it hard to hear him sometimes.