How Simple Should Your Bike Be? | GMBN Tech Show 347

[@gmbntech]

How simple do you think your bike could be to have fun?

[@gregoryneal2852]

@@gmbntech very

[@Mark_Tishman]

Less simple - less fun. If you wanna go fast in the woods and enjoy, there is no place for simple.

[@Paganiproductions84]

29er xc hardtails will work fine no dropperpost needed i own 2 orbea alma's with 100 mm forks from Rockshock Reba and a Fox 32SC Performance.

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

It depends how much hills I have to climb, but yeah could be a big rigid BMX. But I'm no Communist who wishes everyone drives a yugo...

[@Paganiproductions84]

@@LaurentiusTriarius i done some pretty big rides whit them

[@RandyArellano]

Like many, I'm riding my most simple setup: * Ti Hardtail * 1x11 Mechanical * Mechanical discs * 130mm susp fork * Ti seat post, stem, handlebar, crankarms * 29in alloy wheels and tires w/ tpu tubes

[@GregAspenson]

Hardtail, geared 1x12, dropper post, 130mm fork. All I need to have fun on my trails.

[@lancewatson2839]

I went back to a Hardtail with 100mm fork and 1x12 mechanical because of the simplicity and I can ride 90% of trails in my area on it. I love it

[@JimmyReckon]

Its not my only bike but I love my fully rigid kona unit, it's great fun to have a completely different experience riding local trails depending on what bike I choose!

[@InitialP_Photography]

I'm still riding a Hardtail, no dropper, 27.5 wheels, 1x9 mechanical group set, mechanical disc brakes, gets the job done for me.

[@JosephSAi2HT]

Wow, sounds like my Specialized Fuse! One in the same on tech you have!

[@yukiko_5051]

Fellow Walmart bike 😂

[@InitialP_Photography]

@@yukiko_5051 erm nope

[@yukiko_5051]

@@InitialP_Photography What kind of non walmart bike that comes with mechanical disc brake?

[@InitialP_Photography]

@@yukiko_5051 Just to let you know, not everyone lives in the United States, there are other countries out there.

[@usernamefromhell]

All mechanical steel hardtail here with fully external cables, but with 2.6 tires, 160mm fork, and dropper(PNW Coast). Simple, but still modern.

[@leopardgecko4024]

I’m still on a 2011 SC chameleon and I love it. Only thing I’m missing is dropper post. Love my bike

[@MrGoodaches]

Yes, simple. For our expedition/bikepacking we are immensely satisfied with our 2018 Surly ECRs. 27.5x3, 2x10, cable disc brakes. We did the GDMBR with no failures or repairs other than New Mexico goathead tire punctures. For all other riding we use our 2015 hardtail MTBs. 27.5x2.1, 3x9, hyd disc brakes. The versatile uses for this pair of bikes are the Santos Trails near our home in Florida, Bentonville Arkansas MTB trails, and I put on commuter tires to ride 500 miles across Iowa with RAGBRAI. Any newer bikes I’ve seen don’t provide the same versatility as this pair of 2015 era hardtails. Yes, many new bikes do something or another way better than these bikes but the feature(s) or spec(s) that makes them better for one thing renders them less suitable for one or more other things we do. We have discussed how many boyfriends or girlfriends each of would need to cover all of our interests or occasional kinks. That too involves too many additional costs, storage issues, etc. So again we opt for familiarity, versatility and reliability.

[@GrahamFootBicycleLover]

Great topic, always been a KIS evangelist. Lowtech is the futiure. deffo need gears, 1 x is brilliant, hardtails for the win. I won't mention the tyres. Forks depend on your age, I keep trying rigid but the neck says no. External cables. Gravel goes flat bar.... lol. The hardtail mountain bike is perfect for so many disciplines.

[@tim__sadler]

#quiz - the first 'official' 29er tyre was the WTB Nanoraptor - which was essentially a cut down Velociraptor (they thought just making a bigger version of that would be too heavy) - but I think Panaracer did a 700c version of the Smoke before that?

[@markpeterson8978]

In Utah we call the boonies BFE. I would define the acronym but it is more fun if you guys figure it out. Great show Anna& Owen ! I love the simplistic approach to riding. PS. I recently suffered a Pulmonary aneurysm and I am stuck just watching when I wish I was riding. Cheers! - M

[@stevekelly6544]

I bought a rigid Surly Krampus and it’s the perfect MTB/ATB for me, efficient enough for just riding around on the streets, and capable enough to shred the local XC trails- no suspension maintenance required, just keep the tire pressure correct….That new Tumbleweed Sunliner is 💯 🔥. Love what Tumbleweed is making….

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Yeah the folk at Tumbleweed are making some great stuff! Please share your Krampus in the uploader it sounds rad! Cheers Owen

[@markhay1664]

Full ridged carbon fork hybrid/gravel flat bar bike. Perfect for the majority of my weekday rides .cycle paths and none technical single track. Full sus Ebike is for the fun times at the weekend 😁

[@NeilDethml]

I use the Tubolito TPU tubes & absolutely love them.

[@username34159265]

I'm riding a 2020 Scott Scale 940 much like the one in the vid, it's got the full rigid carbon fork. 29x2.3 fast rolling tires, I do have a dropper post, 12 speed SRAM GX mechanical in the back, and a 1x 38t oval chainring in the front. Here in Michigan, it can hit all the local flowy, sometimes rooted singletrack with aplomb. It's not a DH machine at all, it's a singletrack/fire road/flat-bar gravel monster. I can beat anyone and anything without a motor going up the hills, and many of them going down. I love it!

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Please share this in the uploader this sounds rad! Cheers Owen

[@sepherus]

My one MTB is an steel hardtail. Hydraulic disc brakes are non negotiable these days. Gears and a dropper are really nice, but most of my local spots I can deal with a QR clamp, and could push through single speed if needed (you're ALWAYS in the wrong gear.) I have legitimately thought about going full rigid because I seriously don't do maintenance regularly enough. My frame is designed for a 150 sus fork though, and there's isn't really anything on there market that's suspension corrected for that size in metal. Even in carbon, the Whisky 9 LT is still a bit short.

[@Skooteh]

One of my bikes is a steel, rigid, 26", singlespeed, no dropper, but it does have hydraulic disks (10yr old SLX). I love it. It's a different experience than my 29er hardtail with gears or my full sus. It's fun BECAUSE of its limitations, making local trails/paths that are boring on the other bikes fun/challenging again. I also just like nimble singlespeeds in general, they're very rewarding from a technique/fitness perspective.

[@smoothisfast6644]

The term “boonies” is a colloquialism used to refer to remote, rural, or underdeveloped areas, often implying that they are far from urban conveniences. It’s derived from the word “boondocks,” which has a more specific historical origin. “Boondocks” comes from the Tagalog word “bundok,” meaning “mountain.” American soldiers during the Philippine-American War (1899-1902) adopted the term to describe the rural and mountainous areas of the Philippines. Over time, it became a general term in American English to describe remote or rural areas.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Thank you for all the details of where the term comes from fascinating - thank you! Cheers Owen

[@KevinT3141]

That mech hanger / wheel adapter is genius!

[@okamisan3642]

The dropper seat posts are one of mtbs greatest inventions. Second to front suspension and modern geometry. Bikes today are dope.

[@tom93r1]

I'm 6'6" (200cm) and for MTB find 29" to be perfect. But for gravel or road I would love something bigger than the 700, this 750 is intriguing.

[@spiritualdeath101]

Been on a 1x10 steel rigid hardtail for 20,000 miles over last 6 years. With 2.8" tyres it is very comfy. But this is for mud touring, flowing trails & broken roads. I tried the tubolito [tpu] but found them unrepairable - went back to tubeless.

[@chuckrodgers4780]

I like low tech, I started riding in the late 1950’s, almost anything is way better than my childhood bikes. I have a full squish bike , but have been really wanting to go rigid with maybe 2.2” tires. Should be able to handle anything I want to do at this point .

[@KevinT3141]

That silver rimmed Mondraker looks really sharp!

[@paco4159]

Love riding my single speed with front suspension no dropper. Lately ive been favoring hardtails over my full suspension

[@JeffMTBinVA]

I like tech and wish gear boxes would hurry up and become mainstream. Can't wait to see you guys riding and reviewing those in the future. The new Spin Drift seems cool but the park version is really close on specs to the Rage. Are they going to overhaul their DH bike or replace it with this? Also for the price point of the Fox Factory version Spin Drift park you are getting close to the V10 and Commencal Supreme neighborhood.

[@grummbeerbauer3527]

Non-native english speaker here - knowing the meaning of "the boonies" - learned it from Jessie in Breaking Bad, IIRC. I actually labeled one of my go-to weekend rides "Through the boonies"

[@darrenwall5439]

The propain park bike for 3000k is more like it💚 NICE

[@Jean-jk4zv]

Moved from high end carbon full sus with dropper to a steel hardtail without dropper. Now I spend way less time faffing, searching for what’s creaking today and doing maintenance work. Also I can throw it in a shuttle or train without fear of scratching or damaging the carbon. 😊

[@1972mdc]

Boonies (short for boondocks) - of course and use it all the time. Or sometimes BFE (I’ll let you search for that one)

[@Hydun]

Thomson made the Covert in a sort of silver finish, reverse components and ritchey do make silver wheels with the Black One and the Zeta respectively

[@winklertribe5268]

My favorite bike is an old school 26” steel hardtail single speed and 100mm fork. It is magical!

[@ChristianPareATLAS]

Great video, good chemistry and very nice information 😊 👍

[@emonty62]

Full Suspension, belt drive, all of it!

[@jtsimaras]

Bought a new Fully Race XC bike this season came without a dropper and I have been enjoying the somewhat simpler setup :).... I grew up in the Boonies ;)

[@markbayhon]

I'm using mostly the stock settings of my MTB it comes with 2x9 hard tail and 100m fork, no dropper. The only upgrade I did is fork and tyres. And I love every minute of riding on it.

[@markjasonlacson]

I love my Hardtail Kona Fire Mountain, 1x9 with a 100mm fork no dropper, and this is the same bike that I rode at crownest pass 100 race and I did the 50km MTB race it was fun to ride specially on the technical courses.

[@stug45]

For actual mountain biking, front suspension, dropper, clutch mech gears. However a rigid bike with decent brakes and tyres would also work

[@StephenHayes-q6o]

I love the simplicity of my carbon hardtail with rigid carbon forks - comes in at less than 8.5kg and is amazing for single track, gravel, touring and even tarmac, and is SO much fun. With Continental SpeedKing 29er x 2.2 inch tyres it is uber fast, with exceptionally low rolling resistance. I use RideNow TPU inner tubes on the carbon wheels as they are cheap, VERY light and work. Don't need a dropper, and don't miss front suspension. For me - simpler is so much better.

[@StephenHayes-q6o]

Oh - and 1x11 SRAM GX, 11-40 cassette with 34 tooth Chainring. Lighter than 12x and plenty enough gearing if you put the effort in!

[@iansingleton]

Converted my Saracen Mantra Trail, 650b, Hardtail into a drop bar, rigid fork, 700c Gravel bike. It's fantastic. It's really comfortable to ride. I did upload it to the bike vault but you haven't shown it!!! 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@sheridaninstalls]

I have a Carbon Single Speed with XT Brakes, Dropper and nice Fox Forks, Used to be rigid with no Dropper + A Ti Geared 1 x 12 HT with XTR Brakes and dropper. Both are great and I use them both loads. The SS is amazing for fitness and I think it's half way between running and riding, nothing more fun than a blast with a group of SS riders, and amazing XC Winter Mud bikes...And makes you a lot quicker when you get back on gears. Just have the correct ratio for your area. I'm 32-18 I'm 53 and trying to stay as fit as possible..

[@blasthaver4174]

Last Summer I built myself a a rigid 29'er with a Ti frame, carbon forks, carbon bars,1x 9 gear box, hydraulic brakes, and 2.5" tires. simple was what i was looking for and it's what I've gotten. might upgrade with a dropper post at some point, and maybe bigger diameter tires. Even still she gets me where i need to go and makes for a fun an interesting ride. I use it as a mountain bike mostly, but it rips as a gravel bike.

[@OwenBikeNerd]

Please share this in the uploader this sounds rad! Cheers Owen

[@1972mdc]

I ride a BMX bike - 1 speed, 1 brake, tune ups are super fast, and a great workout without having to ride 3 hours. Also because Anna said she loves BMX bikes

[@joetaylor486]

I ride fixed on the road, but when it comes to off road, I have a fully rigid fatbike with a one-by. I will not compromise on brakes though. 180 mm front with four-potters.

[@joetaylor486]

Oooh yeah no dropper.

[@Pillokun]

Simpler is better, the ultra light xc frames with a rigd for is the ultimate gravel bike. All my old school 90s and early 00 ht mtb are configured as such but one.

[@ollien3359]

I think it really depends on how big your garage is. If I only had room for one bike, it would have to be a hardtail with a dropper post and ~120mm of travel up front. As it stands I have room for 2 bikes, I have my fully rigid flat bar gravel bike that I use for commuting, fitness, light MTB duties (85% of my riding), and then I have a trail bike with 150/140 travel that I pretty much exclusively use for visiting MTB parks. A decent hardtail with a 1x drivetrain, dropper post and lock out could handle MOST of what my 2 bikes do.

[@Mark-pk1fm]

There’s a lot to be said for ‘simple’ in many aspects of life including your bike, no need to go nuts but hardtail with suspension forks, 9 speed no dropper suits me anyway 👍🏻

[@pieterdorrestein9286]

I have a FS 165, 170 mm, two FS 120 mm with 130 and 140 front and Highball hardtail with dropper and 120 mm SID front giving 65.5 degree HTA hardtail. I ride all trails i can can do with the other bikes and ride it 99% of the time. Simple and light is so fun.

[@drumbrakes]

Not entirely out of choice, but I'm riding a simple bike. 90's steel frame, rigid Pace fork, Magura rim brakes and Eagle 1x12 drivetrain (simpler and better than 3x7) I think tubeless is simpler, so if anybody makes true tubeless 26" rim brake wheels I'd love to know, but rather not faff around with sealant so I can change tyres to suit different conditions) The only complication I want to add is a dropper post, but 26.8 is hard to find. (1 bike to rule them all because the other got stolen!) It doesn't limit what I can ride, but I'm old so it limits how often I can do it. I was at Glenstress on Monday and my knees are still sore from doing all the work in the downhill sections. I swear it used to be smoother.

[@tomiinkinen2482]

I've heard people sand down 27,2 posts to fit 26,8 frames. It's only 0,2mm around. I thought about doing it on my 1992 Marin but decided to keep it original.

[@mikeburgh3956]

I have a Nukeproof scout 275, pnw dropper, revelation 160, deore 6120 brakes, Advent x groupset with TRP cranks 165, Spank wheelset, trail1 carbon bars 35R, schwable tyres. Love my bike ☢️🤙🏻

[@mellissanash7517]

My gravel bike is essential the minimal I will go with as it fits 29x2.2 max. No suspension either just a dropper.

[@jonm7272]

I have a full rigid, 3x9 old school hybrid, racks both ends and no dropper. A hardtail, 1x11, 130mm fork, dropperpost 29er, a full suss and a hardtail emtb (code RSC, dropperpost and 160mm Yari fork). My favourite of the four is my hardtail 29er, if I could only keep one, that would be it, no question. Just a sweet spot between simplicity and technology. Hardly ever ride the full suss (bike park only) and while them emtb is great for when I'm feeling lazy I would sell it long before I would part with my hardtail acoustic.

[@andreronan1035]

In my quiver simplicity is the number 1 rule these days: 1) Allez 2014 rim brake mec 2)Chisel hardtail mec 3)Single speed tracklocross loading…

[@arcticfox8779]

I have a 2022 Alma m pro in titan Matt gold and it's beautiful and so much fun!!! Best bike I've ever owned!!

[@daviddorson5111]

I love the idea of rigid and single speed.. I didn't like the reality. Droppers have improved riding as has tubeless and as Anna said suspension is so light these days it just makes sense. I own a T type equipped carbon FS bike and I own an 853 tube hardtail with external routing. I like them both.

[@cosminhartie5457]

Everybody should just get a Kona Unit.

[@reneesui9206]

clutched derailleurs, everything else can go but I prefer the chain out of the spokes

[@laeljon]

I love simple, ( always hated cleaning the cassette ) Hardtail with Rohloff hub. Frame will take a Gates Belt, but running a chain. Front fork Motion E-18 no oil or air.....

[@stanley3647]

@gmbntech Question: Last time on trail, I broke tooth on my chainring. Not sure when exactly happens but noticed when chain drop, just after changing gears going uphill (never happens before on this setup). When I look into damaged part - 2 nearest teeth to broken one are very worn as well... Other are looks normal... Chainring is alloy SRAM Eagle Oval 34T, my setup is 1x10 with Microshift deraileur and KMC chain, just wondering: If i using non SRAM branded chain affects durability of this component. Or just pure bad luck ;) Do You have any history of "broken" cogs this way? I can send picture of damaged part if this helps somehow...

[@heywood165]

Was Bontrager something to do with the first mass production 29er tyre? My main reason is because Trek bought the Gary Fisher brand and he was an early supporter of that size wheel. Also Onza and WTB could be in there?

[@craigbest8644]

Full suspension, 27.5, single speed and a straight seat post.

[@scottmh96]

I reckon a good steel rigid MTB would be cool, but carbon or aluminium I feel like you need it to be a hardtail to remove enough trail buzz to be able to hold the bars. I remember getting my first aluminium frame coming from steel and the forearm pump was insane!

[@floydblandston108]

Have you tried carbon bars? I despise cf as a frame material, but carbon bars are excellent. It feels like 1" of suspension.

[@scottmh96]

@@floydblandston108 I put a spank vibrocore on my aluminium frame and that helped a lot, I'm looking for some new bars for my XC bike though if there's one you recommend?

[@floydblandston108]

@@scottmh96 - I use Easton.

[@beerendan05]

Anna cracked me up saying “the boonies 😕”. I also refer to is as the boonies

[@KevinT3141]

I'd add a gear to my 1x11 hardtail for more top end, but that would be it.

[@ish474]

I'm fine with my cable/hydraulic/tubeless tech. I don't crave tech but I'm mot afraid of it either. I'm not buying a wireless drivetrain because I can buy a gravel bike for the price of the upgrade to T type

[@ilidiofaria]

I own an Orbea Alma M20 because of their simplicity. Low cost of maintenance and very good to practice XC

[@LG-lt6di]

Niner Air 9 RDO😊, No dropper, Sram 1x12 , mechanical Hydraulic discbrakes suspension: no Carbon: yes please😅

[@LaurentiusTriarius]

The rigid bikes from scott and orbea are so clean, I don't really need one but if I have spare cash this year that might be something 😅

[@nottakumi1226]

I’m on a Trek Marlin (3rd gen) and I do wish I’d had the budget for a higher spec bike. Love a hardtail, love my Marlin, but I’ve had to change some things to make it work better, and I still have some more to go.

[@miindthegaap]

The anti-tech mountain bike is a gravel bike. I want a gravel bike for the non techy rides where I know the terrain.

[@SolidxSnakexDuke]

i ride only my 26"MTB is very simpel 3x10 speed and a RS Reba 100mm and my second 26" bike have a 1x11 [GRX Crank 40z and 11/51z casset ] and rigid fork is very easy to maintane

[@JosephSAi2HT]

Anna is awesome! She’s the best! I love her approach as well! GMBN is so full of gr8ness. I reckon ive got goals cut out for me! Thank you, 🙏 #attitude4gratitude #AnnaCipulo #Owen and I reckon a romance is happening with me and my bike trail riding thanks to Anna and GMBN!

[@RichardMaguire110]

I built wheels with the Nokian Hakkapeliitta for Geoff Apps in 1980, they were 29ers.

[@floydblandston108]

What'd you use for tires? CX Tubulars?

[@RichardMaguire110]

Nokia Hakkapellits with tubes. There were no tubeless tyres I'm 1980.

[@zethjugos1250]

I do have a rigid mtb. 1x10, dual piston mech brakes...its my do it all, i set it and forget it until i need to replace something...

[@juanes1235]

In MTB, suspensions, dropper posts, and gears are essential. Anything "wireless" or anything that needs to be charged to be used, can disappear.

[@ealtamirano327]

I'm surprised Hudski Bikes were not mentioned in this episode. GMBN is missing out.

[@mattvanderwalt6220]

A big deal is that the more which has been added the less multipurpose bikes have become... In the early 90's I had 1 single bike it was rigid (later had a sus fork) but it literally did everything... Commuter / Road / MTB and MTB race bike. Just seems in the last few years bikes and components have become super niche and expensive - I'd probably be less inclinded to hop on my XC MTB to run down to the shop than my commuter bike, then I'd not use my commuter as a road bike... So now I need different bikes for each single purpose. So yeah bring back simplicity - my fully rigid SS bike pretty much does almost all I'd need from a bike... Kinda highlights why gravel bikes became so popular so quickly - its very much in the spirit of early 90's bikes - simple and multiuse.

[@Velo1010]

I like a complex bike.

[@stephaneducroquet2617]

Really depends your expectations and where you spend most of your time. In my case, the trails close to my house are mainly XC-like, I ride for my pleasure, to evacuate the daily pressure and to be in good shape. No need very fancy stuffs and my Alma H30 is way more than sufficient. My 12 years son has a Onna. Very good bike as well.

[@hughjanus7354]

Man's got a son with a capable bike, yougeddme.

[@jackiegammon2065]

For me, it is always about riding more, that is the end all. I do live in the "Boonies" and I think about being able to get home if something fails. Now to go back to living in the "Boonies", that also means that I likely won't have cellphone access. So, I want a bike that I can repair, so I will always have external cable routing, always run tubes, and yes I ride a lot, and I want a lighter bike. So i ride a fatbike quite a bit of the time, and without suspension., and tubes If I ride my mtn bike, it's a hardtail, no dropper, external cable routing and tubes. Road bikes are nice older bikes with tubes, external cables... all something that I can fix while riding. Although I own a small shop and do lots of repairs, generally most bikes in today's world take longer to repair. ... work on droppers, more time to replace cables, more time to work on everything. I think lots of great, advancements are out there, .. but at the end of the day, I simply want to ride more and be able to fix the bike while riding if need be. Thanks for sharing, always love your videos!

[@davehunt2191]

I use to race a ridged single speed MTB and cross bikes with no problems whatsoever. I am over 50 and still bike with a ridged gravel bike.

[@JesseBayles]

27.5 no sus for rare occasions Ozark trail ridge 29 main. Simple=More Fun

[@hawgietonight]

A 750d would fit in that Scott GR fork

[@andrewpearson3351]

Gary Fisher Velociraptor I think is one and Nishiki had one too

[@MrQuestful]

First 29er was either the Niner or the Ritchey 29er

[@laureanojamon5697]

I would like to see what your views are regarding Decathlon bikes. I'm living in Canada and people here haven't heard much things about them and think that the bikes are cheaply made and will break as soon as you hit a single track. What does GMBN think about the Rockrider brand?

[@Zzyyxx22]

I’m mid 40’s and never owned a full suss. Last bike I bought was a tricross single speed. It’s a drop bar cx bike 42x18 with v’s. That’s my minimum for xc

[@rob5521]

On a titanium hardtail , 29er , rigid , 1x drivetrain

[@thim8009]

My tec is simple, motor, battery, gears, dropper, hydraulic brakes, full suspension. Simple fun, wouldn't want any less.

[@davidjeffery2511]

Simplicity rules, sometimes. I'm still using my Kona Kilauea with the Project 2 fork (new to me in 1993). King Alfred's Way was our big ride this year, and I'm getting climbing pbs in my local woods. It's crap at stopping, and thumbshifters are an ergonomic disaster, so a modern, simple, flat bar bike? Yes!

[@VictorElGreco]

Hm… I do also have a gravel bike so, for my MTBs, I associate the feel of that kind of riding with at least suspension forks. All else is optional, at least for me. My fat bike has a rigid frame but no more suspension than those huge tires is really needed.

[@IsaacRC]

After riding a flat bar roadbike in mtb trails don't need anything more than that... if it not where that 23-25 tires side walls crack of fatigue in 1 week

[@andyarchitect]

If I had no gears my ride would go wrong every time I encountered a hill😂 Meanwhile I've never had my derailleur let me down during a ride.

[@VerthNeel]

Never going single speed.

[@RayHarmon]

I feel there is a market for a 3, 5 and 7 gear bikes that would be very fun with a short travel fork.

[@CUBE297]

Quiz answer: WTB Nanoraptor 2.25 I believe

[@dan11thehands]

Carbon ht 1x12 shimano xtr 120mm sid forks external dropper simple perfect for xc and even enduro 😊

[@dropoutjohn]

😂 Not only have i heard the term, I'm FROM the boonies !

[@hughcaresless1029]

Don't need a dropper or suspension