Are Your Handlebars Too Wide? | GMBN Tech Show 231

[@gmbntech]

What width handlebars are you running? Do you even know, or care? Or are you very particular, if so how did you arrive at your desired width? Let us know 👇

[@th_js]

820mm. The best width for me, but would probably not be the best in racing in tight woods.

[@Montismtb]

I run 780 on my enduro and 800 on my Dh bike

[@andyralston9795]

720mm. Medium trek remedy I’m 5’5”. Think of going wider though. Running 760mm on my small scout that feels a little wide so 740-750 sounds like it might be the right number

[@Jacob99174]

770-780 sweet spot

[@ANTheWhizkid]

760 is fair enough for me - im only 173cm tall. That's my middle between wide enough and good/quick manoeuvrability - I like everything with a bit more back sweep and rather go more rise than more spacers. 35-40 is cool for my frame. Atm I´m running fatbars non carbon and like them although many people think they´re too stiff.

[@williammoore2119]

One year ago my bike was stolen when I left it locked outside the shops. I had an airtag hidden in my bottle cage and was able to get my bike back within minutes. I would definitely buy some sort of tracker for your bike because it could save you a lot of money as it did for me.

[@mattkavanaugh5623]

Glad you're back Doddy! I hope you and your family are fully recovered. Your passion and energy are irreplaceable.

[@elrictdb]

Squee! Thank you Doddy, not only for showing off my daughter's new bike with her epic art (did you notice she included an ACDC logo, coincidentally just like the forks you have on set? Soooo proud of her!) but also for the super enthusiastic smile and energy you had whilst talking about it. Can't wait to show her when she gets home. Needless to say - I love the show, all the content and the presenters (sorry about the recent nose/hooter caption contest entry over on the dirtshed - but I just cannot resist a good pun).

[@rustystringsguitarist387]

Love your energy, excellent dad stuff, your daughters lucky

[@johndef5075]

Ive been riding mtb for 32 years. For the trails I ride I've settled on 680mm. Otherwise I start clipping trees. Im 6'1" and it feels fine. Local trails have some go arounds where the original trail is too narrow for the average bar now😅

[@johnashcroft-jones6091]

I'm 74, 1.750m and 50kg, I have just built a 29er mullet with a 1000w 27.5 behind. With double batteries and used off road, around central and hilly North London I trimmed my bars down to 650mm to get through traffic and offset the slacker geometry the smaller rear wheel gives. At my age I'm not dodging trees downhill, Doddy! Thanks for your great show and happy to see you are also into photography.

[@mikael1852]

Diddy you really makes it feel like the viewer is having a conversation with a good mate. Great stuff! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!

[@marknorton3951]

5’8” 750mm bars As I cut them down in steps from 800mm, there was a point where I could keep my hands on the grips properly through a reasonably full turn of the bars. That point is the sweet spot.

[@jokermtb]

Bike for every budget! Bought a demo/rental GT Sensor a few years back for $1500. Barely used too. Since then, the only stock parts that remain are the shock, cranks, dropper post Lever! I still love how the frame rides, so even a ‘cheap’ bike will eventually turn into a full custom bike as you replace almost all the parts over the years….if the frame is good, starting cost is irrelevant

[@myfrequencies1912]

100%. Got a 2016 giant xtc which is going the same way.

[@skarabyll1458]

I run 760mm on my Ragley mmmbop, i always used 780 as a 6'1 rider with longer arms but cutting them down definitly improved my riding position a bit, it's crazy what 20mm on your bars can do

[@paulwiltshire3101]

I have those bars too

[@yengsabio5315]

760 mm for me, too. I'm 5' 8".

[@eselectronic9946]

760mm is the width I run with a 25mm rise as a 6'0 rider

[@zombizilla1]

The bike brand for me is Cannondale, always been a unique/special brand for me.i can't ride any other brand weirdly 😀.760mm for bar width for me👍🏻

[@LCNismo]

Walmart brand lol

[@stefanvasilev2013]

Funny, I also stuck to one brand at some point. In my case it's Trek. Wasn't intentional, I got to buy, ride, and resell a couple of bikes and I ended up keeping the Treks. It's just that their geometry seems to fit me soooo well, both road and MTB

[@billywd-phd5052]

I recently upgraded my 20 year old mtb with new handlebars. Going from 600 to 720. Feels enormous! Can't imagine going to 800.

[@cbenson513]

Glad you are back and hopefully healthy! So many people with opinions on what's too expensive, etc. There are bikes for all price ranges so who cares what opinions are out there? I suppose manufacturers care, but It's none of my business how someone else spends their money and no one is forcing me to buy something outside of my budget or that I don't think is worth the price.

[@conrod4910]

That’s probably the most non biased comment I’ve seen on the matter anywhere, fully agree

[@sethhendershot134]

I am glad Doddy is standing up for the high priced bikes. No one on GMBN ever said you are not good enough if you dont own a $10,000+ bike. In fact the Yeti that Doddy built has some components on it that were not the most high end price wise. But he felt that is what would work best. If people can afford and want an expensive bike, it is good the bike market has an option for that. but on the flip side there are a ton of $2000 crazy good hard tails out there. and GMBN sows a great variety of bikes in all sorts of price ranges. Take Blake for example, he rides his Scout all the time!

[@gepetto____4669]

I like this setting best for the Tech Shows :-)

[@JasonFoxLCB]

I've got two Air Tags on my bike. One on the downtube under the water bottle cage that's almost meant as a decoy. The second is in the head tube using a 3D-printed holder I got off Etsy. Works great. And now I need to go cut my bars.

[@cbenson513]

I've also got an airtag on each bike using Etsy 3d printed mounts. I hear from more and more people that are doing the same.

[@tigermint69]

Snap! #Decoy the steerer tube is the one they won’t find… you hope. Keen to know if the Knog has actual GPS that works with Apples “find my” or just low energy Bluetooth like on AirTags? Where obviously full blown built in gps is much better and would prompt me to pay the extra over the air tag… plus the alarm siren is added deterrent

[@nolansloboda4508]

I have a 3D printer, do you know where I could get the file

[@JasonFoxLCB]

@@tigermint69 It's very possible it could work with Find My. I have both Apple Air Tags and a Chipolo air tag that is Find My compatible. Chipolo makes a credit card-sized one that I got for my wallet. Pretty slick.

[@joefishtale]

I do the same. One AirTag that’s fairly easy to find, and another AirTag that isn’t. That one is named in such a way that it comes up as a serial number and looks like it belongs to the police. Then there’s a gps tracker hardwired into the battery. Less than $150 in trackers for each bike and $60 a year in services for peace of mind.

[@gregryan4565]

Doddy absolutely love the tech show. I just put my old Ergon GS2 grips on my Nukeproof Scout hardtail. I clipped a tree on yesterdays ride and bounced right off. I love the short bar ends for the added protection and switching hand position for short bursts on climbs.

[@antonb-zk7et]

Thanks for doing what u do. An inspiration! Nice to see u back. Learned a lot from u. Thanks

[@andyjack37]

Regarding bar width, saw a method of calculating maximum bar width by multiplying your height, in centimetres, with 4.40. Take it as a ball park figure or estimate. Mine is 748mm and I run a 740mm bar which feels comfortable enough. If I were to buy a gravel bike, would have to get a rigid fork. Would just buy a light XC bike if was going to use a suspension fork, albeit the gravel bike is only 30mm.

[@irvsstella]

How I was taught many years ago by MBR, was to do a press up on a tape measure, placing your hands at the most comfortable place, that will be your bar width.

[@kiltymacbagpipe]

I put my hands under my shoulders when I do that…. Guess I’ll find some 90’s bars.

[@elrictdb]

I tried this and my press up comfortable width is 675mm. I run 760mm bars and I'm 5'10". Maybe I'm just an old school body on a new school bike :- ) I won't be cutting them anytime soon.

[@gatoryak7332]

Some riders don't know how to do a proper press-up. IMO, the correct hand spacing for a proper press-up is too narrow for mountain biking. The forces on the shoulders is greater during press-ups than the forces from MTB. However, if the handlebar is too wide, it places the shoulder in a weak position, so for both press-ups and MTB, a overly-wide grip is asking for shoulder damage.

[@kg4lod]

This doesn't quite work because it optimizes for press, but MTB requires both press and pull -- and pull is used more. This has been studied in sports medicine literature and the median optimal push/pull posture (from which you can derive bar width) is the one that creates a 20 degree angle between the side of the torso and the inside front projection line of your arm.

[@steveharper4017]

@@kiltymacbagpipe they should be just outside of your shoulders with your chest on the floor.

[@chrisaustin8223]

Hi Doddy, I liked the feel of 800mm bars but after a while I was getting some shoulder pain. After a bit of research I decided to cut the bars down to 780mm and the discomfort disappeared within a couple of rides, also helps with those tight tree gaps!

[@pcguy76559]

5'9" I started with bars that where much wider than I needed. Went for a bunch of rides always notice I wanted to be on the inside of grips. So I cut the bars down 10mill per side. Until my hands stayed in the center to outside of grips. I ended up at 720. I ride cross country and mostly bike park dh stuff.

[@chillibiker]

Woah Doddy..... This week's so was very Ranty!! 🤣 I love a rant & I think you put a few folk straight be it about bikes or Pushchairs!! 👍😁🤣🥊

[@GavMush]

Run an air tag on each of my bikes now in the Muc Off bottle cage mounts. All the smarty's comment about how easy it would be to remove (buy the specialist tool etc) but for me its another deterrent and allows me to track my bikes with ease. Would deffo recommend and have just purchased another one for my Dad's bike 👍

[@redcloudmc]

740 on my XC and 800 on the enduro BUT I think 760 is spot on for me across all disciplines. As with most things in MTB, experimentation finds what works for each of us over time.

[@believe8263]

The Joy of Bike channel has a good video on determining the correct bar width for you.

[@jaycronans]

Absolutely well said Doddy.

[@visserswp]

@gmbntech about the alarm, the Yorkshire bike mechanic showed off the biketrax tracker the other week, it’s for ebike tho and is fitted above the motor in your frame. Seemed to work pretty well

[@tigermint69]

Great call out! I watched that video as well… but then promptly forgot about it - thanks for reminding me

[@robscott8014]

Thank you for posting this as I’m in the midst of trimming down bars on a SC 5010, recently cut from 800 to 780. I’ll probably stop there since the stem is just 50mm. However, other bikes (XC & Trail) are cut to 760 which feels perfect for local South Carolina and nearby trails. I guess it depends on the personal preference and tree gaps. As always, you post great tips and vids. Cheers!!

[@Rasedan]

I use BikeFinder with the warranty, seems to be the perfect stealth device for now with the added peace of mind from the full theft warranty.

[@dschingy]

800s all day long on my MTBs. Newmen Evolition SL 318.25 on both of them. Fits like a glove for me.

[@rule3036]

5,8 tall , 720 on a new Specialised Hardtail, feels perfect, old Orange p7 is 650....The wider feels better but then the whole geo is different too.

[@richardjablinski4486]

740mm because that is what the bike came with from the store! At 6'0" these feel about right for my XC/urban mix.

[@jonaslo6011]

My first bike had 680mm bars, then moved on to a hardtail with 760mm ones. My current fully has 820mm bars and with each bike I had, I always felt an improvement in handling and bike-fit. At the end of the day, most of us only ride for the fun of it, and the 820mm bars are defently the most fun for me.

[@synthbent715]

I run 760 and that's just right for me, feels plenty stable but I can flick them around a bit easier when I'm on chunky climbs.

[@falllinemaniac]

That counterlunch is exactly the product I envisioned. To the specific length and curve.

[@endianAphones]

Recenly did a bikepacking trip on my gravel bike, and after tens of kms of washboard I decided to buy a suspension stem once I got back home.

[@d-mattik7088]

Remember that shoulder width plays a crucial role in a comfortable bar width. 170cm tall with wide shoulders and short arms. Bike came with 760mm bars and I noticed I was naturally holding the ends of the grips. Switched to 780mm and now hold the grips where I should. Tried 800mm but gave me pains

[@gregknipe8772]

thanks for taking the time to read our comments and then take the quality time to respond. a lot of us are reasonable and simply need a chance to speak out, and then eat some of our words. I think some of the cost comments are based on the top end specimens in the tech show themes. people respond to the sense of relative deprivation. I watch this to see what's happening in the industry and the sport. most of which I will not spend my money on. carry on, I hope you and your family are healthy and happy. thank you.

[@gregknipe8772]

I had the original magura brakes. bomber.

[@JamesLG4]

5’10” I have one bike with 770mm bars and one with 760mm. I went to 770mm from the stock 800mm because it felt right. The 760mm bars are stock Renthal FB Lite that came at that width. I like both. I am no where near EWS level riding but I am equally concerned about tree clearance.

[@OverMotoren]

I used to do fine with standard bars of ten years ago. Then I bought a new set of 780mm.. if I remember right, that was 120mm more. However, I have gone back just a little bit. Only by setting up my brakes to the inside, my hands are now snug at the end of my grips. That's all it took. There's about 10mm (maybe slightly more?) difference to where you place your hands. This is just right for me.

[@jonathanzappala]

710 for me, lots of trees to avoid. It thats what’s comfortable for me. I lopped of the 10cm from the stock bar because I like my hand to overhang the grip a little bit.

[@billderas3420]

I am 6'-1" with longer arms and my wife is 5'-4" with shorter arms. We both currently have Specialized Levo SLs (e-bikes) which originally came with 780mm bars. The bars on both bikes are now cut down to 740mm for our cross-country riding in the Sierra Nevada Mountains. Strange that 740mm bars works for both of us; but, I can muscle the bars when needed while wife has enough leverage to be comfortable when passing through gaps between trees. Now see that the latest Specialized Levo SLs come with 720mm (for small) and 750mm (for med-XL) bars, respectively; so, I assume Specialized has now caught on. Otherwise, I have used same handlebar width on my last four MTBs; but, I do remember running sub-700mm width bars (ala John Tomac) when I was racing cross-country way back when.

[@lindonandlisa8114]

We had a Bugaboo pram and we may have paid a lot of money for it but it did last three kids and we did sell it all the parts are available it was fantastic never had a problem with it never broke down never had anything go wrong was this amazing

[@T4TipsGuides]

Where can I buy the Knog Scout in the U.K.? They do not have it listed on their own website and there are no search results for U.K. retailers. Found this. “Samples are being shown to retailers in about 45 countries and it will be released near the end of June,” Hugo said. Might have been worth mentioning that it is not actually released yet.

[@c97f]

650. Lots of tight trees in New Hampshire USA. Everyone else runs wide bars and gets hung up in the tight stuff.

[@NonLegitNation2]

In terms of bar length. I originally had 780mm bars, but I keep my bike in my houses sunroom and was getting tired of having to turn my wheel sideways and awkwardly scoot into the doorway because the damn bars were too wide to fit through the door. I went down to 760mm and they feel fine and I can just fit through doorways now.

[@captainchipowen5184]

720 for me. I'm 5'8", 74 YO, and ride a lot of tight blue trails in Florida. I don't do real fast anything, especially downhills, and anything wider hurts my arms!

[@devincook3278]

Fox’s (new to me) “Stepcast style” gravel suspension fork looks pretty sweet. Not a gravel grinder, but I saw it on Fox’s website.

[@osochocolatoso]

I used to run a 780 bar on my first MTB in which I began to learn the basics and did my first trails. Recently got a new bike with 760 bars and I did feel the difference the moment I sat on and I worried about loosing on stability, it did felt a little twitchy at walking speed on pavement, to my surprise the moment I got off road the whole thing came together and felt pretty good, the new geometry, wider tires and rims did it's thing

[@ChrisWilmshurst]

My 2022 bike came with 820mm carbon bars, I cut them down to 780 and felt it wasn't right, ended up buying some burgtec 800mm bars with a bit more rise and they felt worlds better.

[@markbailey2130]

I. run rigid forks on my Gravel bike. I agree with you , save the suspension for the MTB and enjoy the challenge of negotiating trails on a stiff bike. My Cube Nuroad EX gravel bike is slowly becoming my go to bike, Fast on trails that are not to techie and lack jumps and (almost) competent to keep up with my roady mates until going down long decent. The lightness of the bike due to lack of suspension, giant tires etc makes it great for climbing

[@jeffwoodward23]

800 all day long, I used to ride 780, but once I tried 800, I love them!

[@brendontaylor7420]

Great to see you again Doddy. I found a handlebar width formula on the internet. Which turned out to be 750mm for me. Can't remember what the formula was now but I've used it on my Orbea Occam, my Giant Anthem and Giant Trance E plus. All bikes are different but the cockpits all feel the same and I've had a pot of that Shimano grease for years. A little goes a ling way and it is great stuff.

[@stuarts4673]

If you’re male, multiply your height in millimeters by 0.440. If you’re female, multiply your height in millimeters by 0.426.

[@brendontaylor7420]

@@stuarts4673 Yep, that's the formula I was talking about. Thanks Tangerine ST3.

[@cheesywheels]

To protect your pinkies. Something that seems to have been left to the history books is curved bar ends. Not only do they protect your hands, but they are also great for climbing up hills as well as long distance riding.

[@BenjaminWasHere]

Comedy. That bike. IS BEAUTIFUL. I had the same drool reaction that you just had when I first saw it.... I think its the most beautiful bike Ive ever seen... Someone pass me a napkin for this drooling problem Im having....

[@joshuanichols835]

On your rant about stroller product, I agree and it could be extended to first bikes. We had a triathlon stroller that was made by B.O.B. It has front caliper rim brakes and the lever looked like it was probably made by the same folks as Tektro. It was called the Ironman.

[@_xnk7257]

This was one of my favourite tech shows of the year, great stuff Doddy!

[@gmbntech]

Glad to hear it! Thanks so much for the support! 👊

[@SubversionGarage]

5'-10" here, and with 780mm bars, I noticed my hands still migrated to the ends of the bars. Currently running 800mm bars and they seem most comfortable.

[@cb6866]

Thanks Mr Dodd.......... welcome back !...Peace

[@casperbachjunckerkennild2592]

My hardtail was born with a relatively wide handlebar. I got the bike in 2012, and had a 740 mm bar... It don't need a wider bar, but mayby a shorter stem...

[@BrianRPaterson]

Alarms. I got a pretty basic and cheap (15-20 quid) one last year and it's great for peace of mind when my bike is locked up outside a shop. It's loud (adjustable), vibration sensitive (adjustable), and comes with a key fob like a car. You still need a lock. But I reckon an alarm is a good investment.

[@rupedog]

What make/model please

[@corail53]

A few years ago the trend was all about riding as wide as bar as you could. Now we are swinging back around to shorter (better sized bars). This industry loves to go in circles.

[@OmnieStar]

Usually I get a pare of reallly old grips that can slide all the way on the bar with no stopper. and then just slide them around on the bars with no breaks or anything on them. Do a bunny hop, maybe do one or two of those "warm up your tires while going down a straight ride" kind of turns, Move them around again if needed. Then just mark out where they feel good. I found that even having higher rise bars made me want to cut them shorter or lower rise bars making them longer. I even had a set of the same shape bars with different like tube size? And had to cut them different too. This was all for BMX tho. I'm brand new to MTB'ing so I'm not sure if it overlaps at all.

[@andyward87]

I’ve been using RideLogic formula handlebar width in millimeters: If you’re male, multiply your height in millimeters by 0.440. If you’re female, multiply your height in millimeters by 0.426. Works great for ballpark new riders or each year when kids get bigger. Personally I’m 5’10 and I run 770 on a fatbike, 760 on Party Hardtail, and the same on my xc bike but I’m planning on trying 740, as It a nice experiment and I think it might decrease some hand fatigue on big epic, look forward to finding out

[@robgoffroad]

I just put a set of Fasst Flexx bars on my bike and they're still at their as-shipped 800mm width. I need to start trimming them down. I'm thinking 760 is probably where I'll want to be. That Scout alarm is slick.... their website says out of stock (of course) and it's $94 (Australian). Not sure if they're available anywhere in the US, but at that price I'm in no hurry to get one.

[@stevesmith9082]

Oh man I loved this EP, Doddy goes BANG

[@wessimpson2544]

My last bike was 800 and i clipped a few trees and caused some crashes. I just got my first E-bike since i have bad knees and in my 60’s. It’s a Trek Rail 5. I did not like the stock bars more on making my hands numb. I started stock length 800 with the new ones which felt way too wide on that bike. I cut it twice finally found 760 (770 with lock on grips added) is best for me. I’m 5’11”. I live in north Georgia USA. Very hilly and mountains with lots of trees and twist are most of our trails.

[@c4l1f0rn143000]

cheap brand - trek solid brand - santa cruz ovber the top - canfeild 800 mill bars for me, i like the minute control u can have on the tips

[@theleftbob]

Having spent time during those crazy times where we all ran our bars as narrow as possible, I jumped on the first bendy wide bar that came out, still narrow compared to today's offerings. My body has odd lengths, and since my spine surgery bends very differently, so I've been fiddling with my cockpit each week for a year. I really thought going shorter would work for me, it's what I'm used to riding, so I've tried everything from 750 to 800 with various rises. Last month I popped the grips out 10mm so 820. My brain says it's too wide, my body says it's perfect. Time to buy a new bar then!

[@knarfis]

I am running 760 on a bike with a 460mm reach and a 643mm stack. Started off with 800 and it hurt the inside part of my palms, the area between my thumbs and index fingers. It got to the point of my hands becoming tingly and numb. Pulled off the grips and "simulated" riding he bike with my hands further in. Found that at 760mm, the pressure was even within my grip. So with that and a little bit of a saddle adjustment and the issues went away. No formula, no measuring, just analyzing the issues and a little geometry.

[@ODPTV1]

I'm 6'1. Have been riding an old Specialized Hardrock with around 500mm wide bars from the factory. Super narrow, not confidence inspiring at all. Got new forks so also got wider bars 720mm. Should be good for XC.

[@zerocool675]

run 700 on my hardtail and 720 on full suspension, feels absolutely perfect for me. I ride the hardtail on slightly tighter courses, so each bike serves it purpose.

[@zerocool675]

I should mention, both are xc.

[@russellbaker4502]

I think a better analog for the cost of bikes conversation is cars. There are a wide range of cars and a wide range of prices, just because it's out there doesn't mean you need to buy it or that you have to own it to have a good time.

[@Gabe73C]

The arm test has me at just over 700m and luckily my bike came with 700m handlebars and it's felt right. I have thought that if I decide to upgrade my bars, I'll probably try cutting my existing ones down to 680m and trying them as such for ride or two. Doddy, I feel your frustration at the comments complaining about prices. People tend to forget that materials are usually the smallest part of the cost to produce most things. Overhead, payroll and r&d are a huge part of what drives price points.

[@marvinator79]

I run 780 bars on my 2018 Norco sight A3. I first test rode a similar bike with the same bar width and it just felt naturally comfortable for me. I have slightly longish arms and short torso and slightly long legs too plus I'm 170 cm tall.

[@jasonprfrost1]

I'm 6 - 2 and I run 800m perfect for me normally but I did hook my bars at high speed and had a massive crash on this particular trail that has a couple of tight tree gaps ! Love them normally though.

[@rule3036]

Doddy. A man not to be prodded on personal financial matters.....but certainly well worth taking advice from, great show!

[@steveharper4017]

Arm length and correct push up position should both give a similar measurement unless you have really broad shoulders. Sweep is quite important too and there are ways of measuring that too. Both really important for joint health.

[@Yayo11111]

I'm new to riding trails and jumps. Mine are 820 as standard. I feel more comfortable with wider bars as landing off s jump or drop feels more stable.

[@nolansloboda4508]

How tall are you

[@Yayo11111]

6"4

[@milesofsky]

Something similar to the Loamlab stuff? They're called bar-ends!

[@GHinWI]

Yeah, and the Loamlab bar ends look like they have the same problem…catching a small tree and causing accident.

[@ltrtg13]

On my 2014 full sus originally had 700mm bars. I increased the them to 760mm and went from a 70mm stem to a 60mm stem. On my 29er hardtail it came the 780mm bars. I have replaced them with OneUp carbon bars. Which I cut down to 780mm. I feel the slightly longer bars on the hardtail helps with steering. As my full sus has 27.5" wheels

[@Wabsy1]

I just got nukeproof short stem an riser bars for less than 40 quid, nice 👍

[@robinovering3928]

washboards on gravel roads in Colorado are brutal! only reason I'd go suspension fork over rigid. it's terrifying having to have a loose grip on the bars to keep your teeth from chattering out of your mouth but then also needing to clamp down on the brakes to avoid flying off the side of a mountain... especially on mile 50 if an endurance ride

[@connorcampbell144]

Top brands of bike in my opinion are definitely Santa Cruz and Kona, I got into Kona because of the Kona clump team freeride, slopestyle scene back in 2009 when Andreu Lacondecguy and Fabien Barrel were on the team; but also I ride Kona because of the childhood memories as my Dad had a Kona Stab in 2008, a Kona Hoss 2005 (bought in 2008) and it was cool seeing all the stuff he sent on them. I like Santa Cruz because of the VPP and they look mega cool and they ride great.

[@johnstoddart9026]

Would love a knog that goes under the stem cap, maybe doubling as the star nut?

[@tigermint69]

What an ace idea

[@andyjack37]

Doddy proper agro today. Love it. Fantastic to get stuff off your chest

[@connorcampbell144]

I run 800mm bars on everything, but I run 685 on older Kona's pre 2010 just because that's what I like and I'm used to

[@user-rc9ff5gc8i]

I keep hearing those air tag style devices are easy to "sniff" out by thieves with the right app on their phones. Doddy, sorry you got sick. Take care of that beautiful brain of yours. We need it. Thanks

[@heathenshaunt681]

Running a set of the Surly Sunrise 38 mil riser bars straight out of the box so I guess 800mm but I sit up right on my big Trek Verve XL

[@arminmtb2716]

I am 6ft1 and I have 730mm on my downhill bike and 650mm on my dirt jumper. Very good for tabletops

[@dee3368]

740- I grew up bmx dirt jumping/skate park riding and narrow bars feel like home to me

[@Daffy0208]

Glad to have you back Doddy! Great show as always! 🥰

[@gmbntech]

Thank you, David! 👊

[@jlh530i1]

The other aspect of bars is also stem length and stack height... we are seeing riders like rude and moir who are downsizing on bikes and in rudes case a bike check from last year quoted him with a 50mm stem whereas moir has a fat stack of spacers to bring his bars up

[@MsHigheagle]

Glad your back

[@scott3795]

Answering the viewer questions on this one was spot on and summarises what unfortunately so many comment sections on these videos look like Lots of people complaining about the super expensive stuff some people can afford to run, most likely because they can’t afford it. Either packaged as being bitter about the presenters or pros that don’t have to pay full price, or arguing that ever advance in the industry is just a cash grab and it was better in the good old days on a bike that felt sketchy on a fire road If you can’t afford a modern super bike, that’s fine, but some people can - and that doesn’t make them evil 😂

[@tomquimby8669]

Doddy roulette. Eventually you get a win, actually addressing the clickbait question first. As for the comments clearly they rubbed you up the wrong way, which is good to get some real heartfelt pushback to the deluge of quite correct bloated price criticism. Good to see you looking at building your own I am thinking the same thing but for an ebike.

[@CyclingLifePT]

That 'Shimano Premium Grease' looks a lot like 'Motorex Bike Grease 2000'. But Motorex is a lot easier to find. Seems like we got COVID around the same days, i was also with COVID last week, such a bummer when i had all this bike related stuff going around town :(

[@jonathancole9829]

On the subject of the cost of bikes, I don't think that it's that they are expensive. Yes you can get a bike at any price point, but for me the issue is the rising cost for a new bike with a comparative build. At the end of 2016 I purchased a YT Capra Comp AL1 for about £2300. The spec was 1x11GX, Rockshox Lyrik fork, Rockshox Monarch Plus and a Reverb post. Move forward a couple of years from when I purchased and the parts got down graded and the price went up. If I were to try and purchase a bike now with a comparative build level, I'd be paying an extra £1500 - £2000 be it a direct buy or a shop bought bike. Like I said, prices have risen steeply on like for like spec over recent years. We definitely get less for our money and that's where the expenses is.

[@kaltonian]

those pinky protecter bar end things are actually pretty cool but carrying a $40 price tag is a bit heavy i feel, maybe im cheap but $20 is still heavy for them, i'm still getting some though