God of War Creator HATES New Kratos + Japan REJECTS Woke Disney Agenda

A legendary Japanese creator warns that the age of anime & manga will come to an end, and the western values we loathe could invade. Another creator shows disdain for his creation for it no longer representing what he made it for.
And there's a Joker film coming out that wraps this all up in a nice eye rolling bow, so let's talk.
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[@LuisSierra42]

I see you are also a slave to freedom

[@colorpg152]

the ending most certainly was telling you what to think

[@BlackWolf-bu5dt]

A lot of the time I agree with you about this kind of stuff. But on the God of War issue I respectfully disagree. I very much enjoyed the STORY from GOW 4 and Ragnarok. At the of GOW 3 Kratos legitimately regretted what had happened because of his actions so story wise the emotional direction the next 2 games made sense to me. This isn’t me hating on you, this is simply my opinion and I respect your opinion. Thank you for your work and keeping everyone informed

[@LuisSierra42]

@@colorpg152 It didn't. Some people think the story promotes genocide, others think it didn't go far enough, so there's an entire array of interpretations and perspectives

[@colorpg152]

@@LuisSierra42 the ending felt incredibly forced and illogical in a way that is only possible if they author went out his way to chose that outcome and he specifically stated his reasons so there is no ambiguity here

[@MrLolguy93]

Knowing the Japanese, the rejection will come a lot faster than in the West.

[@andrewfantome4020]

Hope. One famous producer has already said that trying to be American was a mistake and that Japanese games should be Japanese first.

[@JSRFModCentral]

Japan has a trans march

[@kenkaneki3873]

​@@JSRFModCentralWith less then 1% of the Tokyo population showing up.

[@maxrockthefox7803]

It’s faster than a fat lgbt activist who sees a salad

[@kojoattah3987]

@@kenkaneki3873💪🗿

[@JnGArtimation]

And the biggest crime of Valhalla? Not getting TC Carson to voice younger Kratos. It'd make the conversation more dynamic.

[@65firered]

I can see some issues trying to get him on board, though given the opportunity Judge would have helped get him on board.

[@vidimcboomboom]

Thank you! That‘s exactly what i thought when i saw the old Kratos.

[@xtucs]

fr but tc carson would be a hard time to convince and suprised they don't find a new young kratos voice actor

[@mikegendron6090]

As a long time God of War fan I hated God of War 2018 the story was bland the enemies were weak and the game didn't move at a good pace, Ragnarok was a little better but still felt like a lot of the missions weren't necessary and the boss fight with Odin is one of the most lackluster boss fights in the God of War franchise and don't get me started on the Valhalla dlc what a waste of time that was

[@JnGArtimation]

Kinda feels like Western Devs are still struggling with melee combat compared to most Japanese devs who seem to have it down to a T. 2018 and Ragnarok's combat just comes off as boring. Doesn't help when your character feels perpetually locked to the ground as well. @@mikegendron6090

[@Unknown0YT0]

There's no way a country like Japan would fold when you have an entire continent that keeps showing you classic examples of how *NOT* to do things.

[@jchinckley]

How about a major portion of the world, not just one continent...

[@DragonxFlutter]

Three continents (Europe & the Americas).

[@jchinckley]

@@DragonxFlutter More like portions of every continent, except Antarctica and possibly even that one since its population can be as high as 2k or so. EDIT: I find it interesting that one continent on Earth houses only one nation. And that one is a meme where it concerns how dangerous its wildlife can be.

[@dimensionninja4929]

Missed when they were actually Christian, and didn't fall to sea of wokeness

[@rutkisedgars]

Woke has already met Japan. They just don't know it yet. Feminism is already there. Woke comes from feminism. Woke is a symptom of raging feminism starting in feminists of like third generation.

[@konnen7354]

You'd be surprised at the amount of hate for Japan and Japanese entertainment in social media. Twitter has a whole sect of people calling out *anything* coming out of Japan. Manga are slowly getting hit by it because of western localizers getting political in translations. Anime as well with Funimation being the major culprits. Elden Ring rocked the game landscape because it was a project with passion behind. I'm sure there's videos out there detailing the development journey of the game. Western game devs were *not* happy. There's a collective effort from the west to target, bash and dissolve any from of entertainment coming out of Japan.

[@vyse102]

When you can't beat the competition, censor, bash, and try to destroy the competition.

[@yukichan177]

sounds liek jealousy to me cuz japane media took over the market becuz people preffer actual good stories where characters whole personality is not their race or whats between their legs

[@jrs2071]

Exactly why Japan gets my $$$

[@zaynes5094]

@konnen7354 And that all is because they know their product is sh*t in comparison and because they know the Japanese will not pander to them or what they want, the Japanese can go and do whatever it is they want to do because they are their own creative body. They, nor anyone else, should have to pander to what the masses want or what feminists say they should or should not do. Screw em. Also, it's not a collective effort for the West, I personally have always loved Japanese anime and manga (just haven't had much time in my adult life to really read or binge anything recently), and I would literally to the death defend their creators and the Japanese video game makers.

[@dragonlegend5784]

Bruh Japan is like our last bastion of hope against this crap

[@EndymionTv]

I’ll keep my ear close to the ground to make sure I get any more news on it. But yeah let’s keep vigilant

[@Sunglare1]

They are already caving to the feminist.

[@beefueater4586]

woke crap hardly sells in jp because its still predominantly domestic oriented. bad changes are instantly felt by companies.

[@Demial_Sparda]

Dont forget about South Korea, their webtoons are peak action. Male heroes are in peak of masculinity. While female characters are hot af.

[@arcticwarriors7014]

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@EndymionTv other story’s that have political in story telling without alienating the audiences was also star wars the clone wars the CGI version if your wondering and yes I loved it also I can’t wait for GODZILLA X Kong the new empire

[@Zac_Frost]

I've been saying this for a while, and I think it bears repeating. Japanese businesses are extremely financially competitive and money-focused. They may try the woke crap out, and it may be a rough year or two, but once they feel the sting of the backlash, both socially and financially, they'll swap back at light-speed. They have no shame in admitting to what's not working and course-correcting or outright ditching it. People who like things like Manga and Anime that think they are such big streams of revenue think it's because of international sales, when in reality, they're actually kinda niche outside of Japan. Folks outside of Japan really think that because they're so deep in it that they "can't see the wood for the trees" so to speak. The big majority of Anime and Manga's revenue is actually internally generated in Japan, and over 99% of the Japanese can't stand the woke crap any more than the rest of us. And from the sounds of it, it doesn't sound like he's warning of Japanese entertainment going woke, so to say, or at least not completely. It sounds as though he's warning of the creative stagnation and rot as well.

[@nega3589]

True, maybe a year or two of woke japanese, and they'll be back with full force and Hollywood will go into rabies.

[@AmericanBrit9834]

As a pokemon fan and dragon ball fan, I'm telling you that you're giving them too much credit

[@doomguy8324]

No they aren't. You don't understand that the woke crap isn't about money. It's being pushed by a very evil group of shitbags that already have enough money. This is an ideology game; a sort of "battle for souls" if you will.

[@mikerolfe1842]

@@AmericanBrit9834 True :(

[@genkibob]

The thing is, all the stuff that the wokies want is already present in manga and anime. Want a gay lead character? Plenty of BL options out there. Girl boss? Magical girl stories are in abundance. But you won’t see Shonen Jump retconning a straight character in a harem fantasy into a gay character if that would crash the sales. Getting top reviews in Jump is paramount over any useless ESG score, and most authors understand their target demographic very well.

[@wildturkeybox8060]

Japan rejects most woke designs. This is why the Resident Evil series is floundering, FF7 Remake's redesings is a laughing stock and somehow some way in some strange parallel dimension Nintendo is more lenient than Sony of California and their brutal polices.

[@Hypogean7]

No one has said anything about about the FF7 Remake designs. They look pretty much the same.

[@wildturkeybox8060]

@@Hypogean7 They (fans, japan whatever else) have a great deal that was the whole fallacy of the *"""ethics committee*"" when it first came out to explain why so many popular characters were changed, covered or down toned. They've been in damage control ever since. And suddenly don't mention it anymore as it was outed as PR. Replies vanish so that's probably their hidden ninjas at work. lol

[@danofjute2419]

Nintendo has been killing it with their designs. But you normally can tell the bloody handprints of a N.A. endorsed game. Its like with the token-action figure set. Magically they used the traditional designs and not the newer remake ones. Much to their credit: they pay attention.

[@LandscapingHeroes]

@@Hypogean7 Why comments vanishing?? Are you downvote botting??

[@Hypogean7]

@@LandscapingHeroes As if the downvote button has ever worked in the comments.

[@paulolagran1666]

I just found out that Japan’s has their own Writers strike it’s called the “Invoice system” and it is killing the manga and anime industry because of taxes,animators not getting paid for their work and Voice Actors now getting less salary on their voice work

[@V4Now]

Their field has been a hot bed for abuse and neglect of creators for decades.

[@Romit12]

If I gave a studio mappa animator two options. One, you stay at Mappa and keep getting awful working conditions. Or two, work for a woke animation company that gives better work conditions. You'll already know which one he would pick

[@bananarama1425]

@@V4Now I always find it ironic that these people praise Japan as the savior of entertainment when..... they're not. Heck, they're just as likely to milk entertainment dry as the "filthy westerners". Sure I despise the woke but I'd rather have woke policies that treat the animators and writers as people than work them to death in order to make a profit. Not to mention, Manga and Anime is oversaturated and bloated and pretty much the same. And don't get me started on Anime and Manga fans being just as insufferable as western animation fans.

[@paulolagran1666]

@@bananarama1425 I know right next year in 2025 the entertainment industry in America and Japan will collapse it will be like Call of Duty black ops 2

[@bananarama1425]

@@paulolagran1666 Yeah, and when Japan and American entertainment collapse, who will be next to take their place? Probably European entertainment or somewhere else. That's the thing, Japan is not some magic land of the rising sun that produces gold whenever it touches stuff, its arguably just a western Asian nation when you think about how much of modern Japan is actually American in origin.

[@Hepheat75]

Japan will definitely not let this slide for too long.

[@dony2852]

As long as Japanese media is made to target native Japanese audiences and said audience does not blindly follow western PC culture, their entertainment industry should be fine. If companies pander to the west in hopes of investment money or if, god forbid, the Japanese audiences jump down the SJW rabbit hole, their industry is doomed. Signs aren't great considering Sony's actions in recent years.

[@jacktheomnithere2127]

They BETTER NOT let it slide. At all.

[@UnwantedGhost1-anz25]

​@@jacktheomnithere2127 They're literally the only hope for humanity. I can't imagine a planet with no entertainment as escapism.

[@alecperdeau650]

Don't count on it. Capcom and Square Enix are definitely a foreshadowing of what's to come from woke Japanese studios.

[@jacktheomnithere2127]

@@alecperdeau650 Capcom? How?

[@Arashi_2358]

Japan, wake up and save yourself.

[@EndymionTv]

Facts

[@karlo9572]

Japanese won’t stand for the woke bs. They will abandon the studio immediately

[@doomguy8324]

They won't. Their population is decreasing faster than ours is. They can't even wake up and save themselves in a real sense... let alone a figurative one.

[@omeddragon]

@@EndymionTv Japans only follows the Money if they don't see it they stop making the product, that's their mindset

[@yuvrajsingh099]

​@@omeddragonThey would have switched ages ago , but they didn't if they only needed money. The mangaka gives their life and souls to characters. And they get paid for creative style not for checking boxes. They know that as well as fans.

[@BlakeCDMedia]

There have been enough Japanese manga and anime creators publicly mocking wokeness that I'm not too worried. Remember when the Kadokowa CEO had to apologize and pay back 20% of his salary because he said Kadokowa was going to start being woke?

[@fridaycaliforniaa236]

Wokeism being rejected is always something that gives me a big smile 🥰

[@dudeboydudeboy-zj8kd]

We must protect the manga and anime! At all costs

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

It's one of the few outlets of good story telling OP has drag queens but they aren't in your face all the time

[@WeebGuru6]

Facts my brother we gotta toxic masculinity

[@corriethomson4431]

Gatekeeping is good.

[@merafirewing6591]

​@@theanimeunderworld8338 and most of the time, those particular characters are outright funny and have character development.

[@tenshi.kurama]

The only thing I would like is enforcement of media sexualizing minors, and other things that should be illegal if they are not already. Other than that yeah wokeness needs to stay out of it. I would love more anime that isn't set with the protagonist as a minor unless its important to the story itself, if changing the age changes nothing then why not make them 18+

[@CrazedBuffoon]

We absolutely cannot lose Japan I have a feeling they will not accept it and they will reject it

[@Hypogean7]

Lose Japan? Buddy, have you seen the anime and manga that are pumped out every year?

[@CrazedBuffoon]

@@Hypogean7 yeah, but did you see the comment that the creator of Gundam mentioned? He's afraid that this is only temporary and could be the Golden Age of anime. 6 years from now that might not be the case. Hence my concern.

[@lazyvoid7107]

​@@CrazedBuffoonNah he said the same copy and paste animes

[@celphalonred1999]

​@Hypogean7 and the amount of people quiting and getting fired for being overworked to death?

[@Commandosoap777]

“Loose japan” majority of the shit they make is just as bad as the west in fact it’s worse in many ways. Play indie games , watch shows like the bear and succession. Plenty of great stuff out there

[@HowlFromBeyond]

I enjoyed the original trilogy of GoW and was surprised but not upset by Kratos' character development. His character arch made sense. Everything he did in the original games from lashing out in vengeance to indulging minigames with the ladies was his way of blocking out his tormenting past. After getting revenge and destroying Greece he descovers he's still empty and is left to reconcile with the fact that he became what he hated. So he starts over and tries his hardest to make sure his next kid doesn't fuck his life up like he did. I like that more than him remaining a one dimensional rage monster. Although honestly, I wouldn't even care if Kratos was a stagnant character so long as the games were as fun as the originals. That's where the criticism should primarily be leveled at.

[@Commandosoap777]

Good take

[@xelaander8429]

Exactly, while there's a lot to be condemned, Kratos either had to have some character development or be put to pasture, his arc makes more sense than say what Insomniac has been doing with Spiderman recently and the whole "you're playing as Mary Jane now" shtick

[@amriperkasa8229]

A very good take goddamn

[@vyse102]

That's been my position, he either grows stagnant or he grows up. His arch is perfect.

[@NashQlaim]

i hated the new one. Considering Kratos's life it makes sense for him to be a relentless absolute brute. Having been hunted from childhood by the gods, having your brother kidnapped for fear of a prophecy, having deceived by the gods, having your entire family slaughtered by your own hand in the process, having their ashes stick to you as a constant reminder all these and more. How can man not succumb to endless rage after suffering through all this. How can man let go and be like "aighty time to raise another family" and at the end of it be like "stop the cycle" like lol what cycle, there's no cycle. it doesn't even make sense, whether you ignore and hide from them or not in GoW series gods do constantly fuck other people's lives. That's what happened to him in the first place, gods mistakenly hunted and took his brother away, it wasn't like he drew their vengeance, the gods drew his vengeance upon themselves. He should know better than "lets mind our own business boy and take it like good chaps"

[@amaas211]

Honestly, Kratos growing as a person rather than being an edgy slayer indefinitely was a step in the right direction for messaging. "Lay down your arms when at peace. They'll be there when you need them."

[@Dejf4299]

I love how having a very manly character, trained to be a strong warrior, respecting his duty, with a clear goal motive in his mind and for upmost doing the most masculine thing: showing affection and love for his family which was the sole reason for his whole revenge arc is "Veriiiiii edgyyy". But if we have the character say "anger is bad!! >:(" every five minutes, suddenly it's a grown and deep character.

[@Practitioner_of_Diogenes]

@@Dejf4299 Would explain one of the reasons why I felt Ragnarok was a step backwards... Not to mention the whole fact involve Angrboda. And I'm not just referring to her actual appearance, but her whole character was wrong. Angrboda in Norse myth was an absolute bitch and a half.

[@roylee8114]

It is better to be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war

[@declsdxavier5158]

​@@Practitioner_of_DiogenesI mean a lot of characters depicted where a fr cry from there Norse mythos

[@smithcubs]

​@@declsdxavier5158They know that, it's literally just because it's a black little girl that is suppose to be Atreus' love interest.

[@FOF275]

ESG may infect global forms of media and big corporations may lose their soul to AI, but there is a silver lining. So long as independent works keep being made and can be profitable then art will live on

[@orrorsaness5942]

Amen 🙏 like my series, The Pensuke Files

[@FOF275]

@@orrorsaness5942 exactly

[@TheTwinkelminkelson]

Man, I just realized, your line of shows like AoT being "political within the confines of its own universe" is such a good way to phrase why politics works in older media vs the new. Yes, ultimately it's there to make a political statement about the outside world, but it's using its own world to make that point, and isn't making in analogous to current events. It might be RELEVANT to current events, but because it's focusing on its own realm of existence, it's easier for the audience to actually take into consideration the point of it rather than either having themselves feel validated or attacked by the author.

[@TKUltra971]

Exactly this. Politics is fine when it actually make sense. But much as I follow world events, like i really don't need to hear a "The More You Know"™ message from the 90s when I'm running around as generic space marine #214 or Swordsman of the kingdom of whatever. Its almost as if the powers that be want media to raise a generation instead of having it done in the home by example.

[@jonathanchen4987]

This reminds me of South Park.

[@joelbiju6868]

I get where David Jaffe is coming from but I'm just glad his character development is about BEING A FATHER. Knowing the progressive mindset prevalent today, I'm just happy they let Kratos stick to themes of wanting to embrace fatherhood.

[@joecool720]

I know right. He was a husband and a father before what's stopping him from wanting to become one again now that his vengeance ended. He's got nothing to be angry at cause he already killed everything that he was angry towards and now there's nothing left. And at the end of it all...... wouldn't you want to start anew now that you have the opportunity? I could mindlessly go on but the point is that his vengeance ended on top of Olympus which he stated himself and after that he went back to where he began, being a father.

[@hamzahnurreez8420]

​​@@joecool720which fits perfectly with the quote when people try to impose them selves to men when you take the peace of the men the man will stop at nothing untill he get his peace back.

[@NELLYB]

the progressive mindset is kind of what made Kratos the character iconic character he is today. if youv'e ever seen the "raising Kratos" doc here on KZbin, you'd understand Corys personal relationship with toxic masculinity and his unrelenting work ethic that spawned from it. His inability to separate his success at work to his success as a father runs rampant throughout god of war 2018 as well as alot of the men complaining about it. As soon as they managed to gather enough brain cells to understand that throughline anyways. he specifically talks about how working on this game made him realize that he isnt just the next project hes working on or the guy who wrote god of war, hes a so a father raising children. raising children for anyone who wants to do it should know that it includes teaching them even when you dont think you are teaching them. This means that how you solve your problems whether it be day-day or year-year, your kids are watching and most likely emulating. he took note and refused to feed into that kind of toxic work culture that the current, overwhelmingly progressive mindset is also doing its best to curtail. he didnt do this for any political reasons, he did this because he wanted to offer his kids a better life than he knew. You dont know it yet but thats why you and everyone else who loves this story, enjoys it so much! its so complex and yet so simple, its hits on a human aspect that toxic masculinity, capitalism and the regressive mindset at large tries to suppress.

[@jessicaberry5596]

I ultimately agree, though I get the impression the game was trying to state that Kratos was the ultimate source of his own woes. When he says "My vengeance ends now", he follows up by stabbing himself, the person ultimately responsible for his suffering. This is something not yourself, but a lot of people miss when comparing the old and new franchises, both those who love and disrespect the Greek Saga. The following Norse saga is really good at following along this train of thought, in making Kratos try and distance himself from who he had become.@@joecool720

[@Impalingthorn]

I see where you're coming from but I feel that ignores the fact that Kratos WAS a father and a loving one before. In fact the big tragedy with him is that he HAD chances to be with his daughter and wife again but defied his own desire to be with them for the greater good of the world. The games are much grander than him just being a dad and are more so about him learning to value humanity as a whole over godly worship. The new games SORTA go in that direction but mire it in a fog of Kratos's regrets and self doubts which is just SO weak for a character who endured a far better character arc in the old games. The old games gave a good man some hefty character flaws that robbed him of the things he loved the most while the newer games are just him reflecting on the old games. Like... What does that tell you?

[@rosemartasgaminghoard]

Kratos was a father and husband in the original God of War games so I just felt it was a natural progression for his character to find that for himself again once he had accomplished his goal at the end of the original trilogy. Kratos is also older in the new games. He's been through some shit and now wants to protect his only son. I also find it weird that the guy who created Kratos describes him as a combination of Wolverine and Conan when both of those characters eventually settled down and had kids. I like the humanity that they introduced to Kratos as a character and I don't think it diminished him at all.

[@AliHamza-sv4ni]

let me clarify , he actually liked the direction of god of war 2018 . kratos still had retained much of his war general personality while still caring about his family . thats how he was in the original god of wars . it is specifically in ragnarok that they went ham on this whole apologetic , bending the knee and soft kratos look , who went back on everything he was teaching his kid eg (close your heart to the enemies suffering) etc . there were too many "heart to hearts", kratos talking about wanting peace and not wanting to fight anymore . it went too far with its "character development " to the point where the character does not even seem the same . the story could have taken a much darker approach and taken way more risks . the pay off for the build up was not there in ragnarok . playing as a nerfed character is never great . i always hear "the greek gods get stronger as they age and kratos is just holding back" . ok? well this is a video game first and foremost , i dont want to see the character holding back because the original games makes kratos much stronger to play as . the best parts on gow 2018 were when we got glimpses of old kratos . i really thought they were really going to go in on that aspect in ragnarok . it did the opposite .

[@karama5562]

@@AliHamza-sv4ni ive never seen anyone talk about having character development like its a bad thing until now

[@rosemartasgaminghoard]

@@AliHamza-sv4ni again I just kinda felt like even that was a pretty natural progression for Kratos since fighting had taken a lot of things away from him. Old soldiers grow weary of fighting, you know? I didn't really feel like they were forcing anything but...I suppose I can see what you're saying. I felt the heart to hearts were more about Kratos wanting to be open with his son and have that relationship. But..anyway like I said I can see how it might have been too much

[@AliHamza-sv4ni]

sorry but it is not character development . it is character assassination .gow 2018 was the perfect amount of character development . ragnarok kratos is written like a 2023 american dad and they are pushing the woke modern day way of parenting which is bending over backwards for your kids . have you seen schools these days? kids are entitled and spoiled beyond belief because their parents follow their every whim . if you cant sniff that out , this is a more dangerous kind of mind virus that you never even noticed.i will never believe that a father in olden times took shit from their kids and didnt want them to be hardened competent warriors . history is proof of that@@karama5562

[@JackJackson-uf4ei]

@@karama5562I’m saying bro. These guys are asking why didn’t they just remake the old GoW game with all the blood and guts and violence shows that they LITERALLY have the mental capacity of children. That they LITERALLY cannot understand that a GROWN FUKKING MAN WHO IS A LITERAL GOD is going to change after all the he went through 😂🤣.

[@Saerthen]

About Kratos - you've got two choices: stop telling stories about a character at some point, or let them grow and change. And it looks like modern franchise media, like games, movies, TV, and books, just can't stop telling more stories.

[@buttons551]

Static main characters are a thing where they change little to not at all during their journies but it is very clear from the first game Kratos isn't static and unchanging. He's a very complicated man and we see him change slowly over the course of the games. Jaffe worked on God of War 3, they planted the seeds for Kratos redeeming himself and he's now throwing a bitch fit at Kratos having gone through a well written arc even he had control throughout the games when he was working on them to keep Kratos a certain way.

[@taddad2641]

its to a point wehre i hope that atreus is the next main character so that kratos has time to become someone new.

[@Maniacman2030]

​@@buttons551"well written" M8, it was even admitted that it was practically a therapy session for the director. That he projected all of HIS OWN PROBLEMS on to Kratos. Well written my ass, there was a better way to do it.

[@israelkib7]

@@Maniacman2030 Yeah, a lot of characters in fiction and their stories are inspired from real people and their experiences. That’s pretty common and is pretty well written

[@crazychase98]

​@buttons551 no its because they cucked Kratos the story in ragnaroc lilltery cucked him. Fraya litterly talks down to Kratos the entire game. An his son lies an back stabs him an doesn't punish him like a father should

[@Acoto]

Never sell your creations to corporations or woke investors

[@eclat4641]

1 definition of woke? 2 what do you fear?

[@Acoto]

@@eclat4641 2 You're mistaking disgust for fear. That said the video we're commenting on and really the entire channel already answers your question

[@eclat4641]

@@Acoto cause the real definition is/was meant to be “aware of injustice” … but i see it thrown around…

[@eclat4641]

Your answer with 2 proved my point 😂.

[@Acoto]

@@eclat4641The real definition is in Vivek's video "Vivek Ramaswamy on Unpacking the 'Woke" Phenomenon" . 😉 And your point was you dont know the difference between fear and disgust? OK good for you then I guess.

[@ZXNovaBoom]

There's also something you need to understand about Japanese culture here. Japan is a country that is very sensitive about making changes to things, and the consumers themselves are even more sensitive. For instance, there was this beloved food brand that increased the price of their product by like 10 yen (10 cents) and they made a whole big announcement and apology about it. Japanese consumers are also much more quick about voting with their wallet. Do you remember hearing about how many Japanese people complained about the new Princess Peach game getting its cover art changed? Do you remember hearing about how Japanese people complained about how the recent Sony has been acting, and how Sony groveled back in desperation saying "I-It's okay we're still Japanese alright??" If the ESG virus ever attempted to infiltrate Japan, it would not work, simple as that. Japanese brands have already been burned by their nonsense in the first place by making more edgy / raunchy series like Dead or Alive or Senran Kagura have to fall back due to them. Plus Japan already about 13 years before when Japanese studios were trying to expand more globally that not to do what its good at ultimately screws them over in the in the end.

[@Jacob6853]

A Woke Joker movie about outlawing comedy... Isn't that what woke do?!? Outlaw comedy, sexy looking women and any straight white lead?

[@BeccaArrh]

Woke mind virus invaded Japan last year, Bridget got turned trans completely retconning his entire character in the process. And ArcSys in general has a Californian branch that seems to be pulling all the strings now, so yeah Japan is not immune to this. (Should be noted that ArcSys themselves never used "trans" to describe the character, and Japanese Twitter blew up when the Dev Backyard dropped confirming their intent. However the backlash seems to have made the Japanese side walk back their trans narrative, and now Bridget is in a weird spot where NA fans think trans, and JP fans still refer to him as male.)

[@chucheeness7817]

I find it funny that westerners are cheering for this, since Bridget's thing was he was _forced_ to be a girl by his parents just by virtue of 'bad luck' twins. Because by that logic if parents wanted their kids to be straight then they should also stick to that. They don't even know they are cheering for the thing they were against in the first place. lol

[@aj.j5833]

They did that because of how well received games like Elden Ring was received in the west.

[@xdomeman]

Then there's hope

[@JimmyPizzaDelivery]

Bridget being trans wouldn't make sense in any universe. All of that character development, just to backwalk it to appeal to a fake audience lmfao

[@shen5533]

​@@JimmyPizzaDeliveryI mean, how they made Bridget trans is very on point on how they try to groom people to transition lol.

[@user-xf6ef8ec4z]

As a metal head I can tell you anime being more mainstream does have it's downsides... Like many voices trying to influence things from people who just walked through the door. People whose main complaint is "this isn't what I like" and who won't accept "fuck off and listen to what you like then" as an appropriate response.

[@Koppu1doragon]

7:38 God of War Valhalla is literally Kratos accepting his pastself, is this an old statement or did he just not get it?

[@user-yb7tx4gx2p]

He got it, he just didn't like it.

[@doginababyseat5127]

This dude is so engrossed in being anti woke that he sees everything western as automatically woke.

[@kwayneboy1524]

​@@user-yb7tx4gx2pwhy not?

[@TheAllSuaveMrToast]

The Problem for me is clear all those journalists and people working in video games are not business people. Are not the investors. I have a friend who is a businesswoman and she says she will sell pictures of naked women if that makes her money. She will feel kinda bad but money will comfort her. Investors, people who have to pay business bills they just want a product that sells. Jurnalists who live from risk capital just care about their stupid feelings until they get fired. People designing woke video games only care about their opinions until they are unemployed. The problem with all these people is they grow in easy times without a boss who threatens to fire them if the game doesn't sell or if their articles don't please the audience. But they will never get it. Not even when they stay unemployed for decades. About Japan getting woke, is less possible now. ESG companies like black rock are being sued because they never told investors about using their money for ESG. So probably this will die soon. Watch the Adam Post channel to see how companies are being sued for invest in ESG with no permission of investors.

[@dantespicysausage9615]

Thats why you had the Gundam creator saying you don't go full Disney especially Japan's politicians who care about their heritage

[@s1ns0mbr43]

"The witch of mercury" they already went full Disney.

[@JackJackson-uf4ei]

@@s1ns0mbr43how because they made a girl the main character?

[@theblackgamer8103]

@@JackJackson-uf4ei nah because the story itself was pandering to wokies. It didn't try to tell a good story. Most gundam fans I've seen hated it and the school setting.

[@sarov7658]

I think japan gona fall too to wokeness in next 5 years

[@dantespicysausage9615]

@@sarov7658 one way of fixing it though.🔪

[@ComposedSage75]

The great thing about AoT was that you can see that Isayama gave the viewer the choice as to who was in the right or wrong. Good and evil was decided by the perspectives the characters had and the lore that surrounded it in the story. It was interesting to watch imo.

[@artfire28]

This why AoT is the modern timeless classic.

[@EndymionTv]

Yeah it was wonderful

[@ComposedSage75]

@@artfire28 precisely

[@ComposedSage75]

@@EndymionTv indeed

[@LuisSierra42]

SHINZOU WO SASAGEYO!!

[@kingjokercristiangonzalez677]

Respectfully, I can't side with Jaffe's opinion. I've played every God of War growing up and yes Kratos's character was ruthless, aggressive, on edge, headstrong. He was also a character developed in a fictional time period of Greece where there was nothing BUT consistent war & violence. Kratos also had a family. What caused him to become the full on rageful murder machine? The death of his wife & daughter caused through manipulation by Ares, Athena & the other Gods. Alongside losing his brother. Obviously you gonna be vengeful when all that happens in your life. All God of War 2018 & Ragnarok did was expand on Kratos's character as a man. All be it fictional but he's a grown ass man regardless. Younger Kratos is the example of uncontrolled violence, killing everyone & anyone in his path. Laying waste to everything in his path for his goals, JUST like the Gods he killed. Older Kratos is necessary violence, learning to not repeat the same mistakes that had cost him so much in the first place. If Santa Monica wanted a "safe" God of War, they could've left the game alone after the end of GoW3. Just because Jaffe as the creator has a strong opinionated view doesn't mean it's the absolute truthful view🤷🏽‍♂

[@iloveponis]

Old Kratos is a power of freindship marvel character in comparison to his younger self.

[@SomeUnkindledAsh]

This is so depressing man. Im so exhausted with this whole topic. I just want some decent entertainment

[@edgelordleon5859]

I believe an artist CAN use their own thoughts, experiences, and opinions to shape a character or story AS LONG as it comes from a place of earnestness and not narcissism. Example, The Crow: Flesh and Blood. If you've never read it, I highly recommend it. That graphic novel also explores political themes without it feeling forced. It's all relevant to the story and its themes. It pretty much schools all the hack writers of today by showcasing what they wish they can do, done right.

[@andrewfantome4020]

Again, the funny thing is that Tomino says this after he, like Lucas, transferred the rights to the cult franchise to the studio and producers, after which his brand smoothly went the way of Star Wars. But speaking in general, alas, this is not new for Japan. Pokemon is trying hard to be an “American” game, if you know what I mean, more and more explicitly children's Japanese games are asking you to indicate the character's non-binary gender, and a number of Japanese brands have decided that Twitter represents any Western buyer, even if the big players have already stumbled over it. A number of Japanese authors and influencers have been warning about the dangers of this since the 00s, when the author of Love Hina began giving lectures about how the desire to sell things to the West causes self-censorship among Japanese authors.

[@EndymionTv]

And it’s very unfortunate

[@andrewfantome4020]

@@EndymionTv Yes, especially if you remember how Japanese creators are always mocking censorship and moral guardians in the West.

[@mgallogical7114]

sadly is not that simple as don't sell your Ip, if you want tour game to be made then you funding and to get funding you have to sell. no company will fund something they don't have the rights to.

[@andrewfantome4020]

@@mgallogical7114 I understand what you are saying, but in this case it was not a question of funding. He, like Lucas, was afraid that he was too old and there would be no one to take over the franchise after him.

[@KingKrouch]

The whole Pokemon thing is funny considering they sure as hell don’t listen to Twitter when they say that their games are soulless and poorly optimized.

[@rhysthomas1699]

Anime & Manga puts more effort than Disney, Marvel & DC combined.

[@theemotionalremix]

Artists fight for their lives just for 1 page.

[@rhysthomas1699]

@@theemotionalremix That takes some serious balls. Modern Western artists would just give up if it wasn't lame & gay enough.

[@masonmcfadden4886]

Oda the creator of one piece is sick and he gets up and write pages just cause he love his fans

[@theemotionalremix]

@@masonmcfadden4886 to all the people that work with him he makes them vow to die for One Piece. If I start now I might die before I finish One Piece but this is an indication of the insane amount of dedication that it takes to make a quality product.

[@KonoGufo]

Kratos' development is a positive and natural development for the character that is consistent with his original characterization and builds logically upon the previous story.

[@io8806]

This true for 2018, not for Ragnarok. 2018 Kratos is consistent with OG Kratos and does feel like a natural evolution of his character. Ragnarok, not so much. He is overly expressive of his emotions, overly conversational, too trusting to people, cares about people he normally wouldn't and calls them "friends", makes unwise choices for the sake of being "better".

[@user-cd4um8xm3h]

@@io8806you litteraly just ignored the entirety of gow rag if you think that or you have a 10 yo capacity to understand storytelling

[@knightpal1545]

​@@user-cd4um8xm3h shut up kid

[@MooseCastle]

​@@user-cd4um8xm3hReign it in with the insults, untermensch. We both know you couldn't back them up in real life. Know your place.

[@user-cd4um8xm3h]

@@MooseCastle untermensch? also someones got a hurt ego lmao

[@johnnyd3158]

So much for anime being like the equivalent of Ba Sing Se against the woke mind virus.

[@EndymionTv]

Yoshiyuki thinks the anime bubble will implode sooner rather than later, which is unfortunate

[@TheSupaman98]

Except it literally is. Stop listening to doomers.

[@auraaetherbladesigma6939]

@@EndymionTvmost likely due to overload output of anime being produced overall imo. Yes ESG is attempting an eastern invasion, however with Japan’s “Profit over agenda” mind set, it’ll most likely fumble. Like look at the collapsing state of agenda driven systems.

[@werewolverine4906]

@@auraaetherbladesigma6939 Amen! Hopefully Japan bitch slaps this crud within three years due to that mindset!

[@HelloKolla]

@@auraaetherbladesigma6939 i mean yeah, look at how MAPPA is imploding due to taking dozens of projects on at once, and overworking their staff.

[@HelloKolla]

Awesome to hear love for 2018 Spiderman from you, man! The way they did Peter and Doc Ock's relationship made that game for me. And their final scene? Still get chills to this day. “You do what you think is best, Doc. It’s all any of us can… even when it hurts like Hell.”

[@Keon994]

Kratos never really changed to the core. He was always a parental kind of guy deep down. Seen with his interactions with Pandora in GoW3.

[@TheGreatAmarant72]

you're not wrong but it could have been handled better. Its reasonable that Kratos would have hang-ups about taking the role of god of War again ...but God of Hope? just change his red into a rainbow pattern on his body already... Not to mention ..he was just whining the whole time and they retconned the "evils of pandoras box driving the gods insane", in god of war 3 they chose "not" to take that path only to bring it back to make Kratos feel more guilty in a unnecessary (but fun) dlc. A lot of Kratos's actions were justified.

[@alextunneyware]

The whole point of the original series of games is that most of his actions weren't justified, he was driven by vengeance far past a point of reason to the point he caused the destruction of his homeland without a second thought The point of the newest entries is about him growing as a character and understanding his faults, while opening up to those around him, it's about overcoming his own past in order to give himself and those around him a better future. The story works as a whole, and works well, despite the obvious downgrade in game play, it's a good transition from the old games, and shows a character growing up with their audience, becoming less brash and immature, while gaining wisdom and knowledge along the way, with hints of their old selves deeper down that come our when needed I personally think the newer games would work better as a show instead of a game given the sacrifice they made with the game play compared to the original, but the story itself holds up really well in comparison

[@kellybritt88]

Calliope too😞

[@sjoerdderks4731]

Ares broke him and mold him to his puppet, the rage blinded him and killed his own family, vengeance only fuels the rage. Kratos only realised that after Zeus' death that the cost were not worth it for the non-existent satisfaction his vengeance gave.

[@alexzanderroberts995]

​@@TheGreatAmarant72Well it kind of makes sense. When the war is done and the blood soaks the ground. There is nothing left, nothing forward or beside you. The only direction you can go is forward. The only thing left is hope. The being of War finally slows down to realize the desolation in his path, stops to provide hope to those around him. Hope for peace, hope for prosperity, hope to never pick up the blades again. It was even teased when Broke blessed Kratos' spear. "And to be put down when it is over."

[@blablabla1646]

Kratos is amazing with all his edge and hot-bloodedness, but that makes the growth of his character even more satisfying, and he "grown" instead of being "replaced" like other woke media

[@TKUltra971]

He's just a older parody of Conan later in his universe and comics. Old, tempered and having issues with regretful actions. Its nothing new by any means so as a standard its incredibly hard for any story like that to get wrong - i praise the new GOW for doing this right. I think this is why Cory the director said when there was confusion over calling it "GOD OF WAR" again that it was not a reboot but a ongoing fresh start to the original stories.

[@TheGreatAmarant72]

Ragnarok ended well, any DLC should have brought closure to remaining loose ends like Sindri. Instead we got and angsty rogue like where Kratos is treated like a child... its ok that he has hangups but God of Hope?...not to belittle the point but to put it simply....that's fucking gay...

[@pedrobasualdo6694]

​@@TheGreatAmarant72 Cmon...It isnt that hard to understand the bloody story

[@alexzanderroberts995]

​@@TheGreatAmarant72He is Greek genius. They are gay.

[@undernoob2481]

​@@alexzanderroberts995 greece is not a gay paradise where everyone is gay, in fact there's a lot more homosexuals in country like netherlands than greece lmao And even if in ancient greece being gay was somewhat accepted being gay was still a minority. I wonder if you realize just how stupid u sound to say Greek = Gay

[@UndertakerU2ber]

One thing that's important to keep in mind about the God of War reboot is that the director, Cory Barlog, has worked on the original trilogy and the PSP spinoffs, and even served as the director of God of War II. The problem we see with many of the 'woke' modern day studios is that they often inherit the works that others have built and don't handle it with the same care or understanding as the _truly_ talented, veteran employees did. But with Cory Barlog, he was onboard with the God of War series working as an animator before the first entry released, and has routinely worked in building the narrative of God of War ever since he started working on God of War II. I trust that he is capable of making an 'authentic' portrayal of Kratos even if it doesn't line up with what David Jaffe specifically had in mind. Characters' stories can go in different directions yet still feel 'authentic', so if Jaffe imagined having a Kratos that would still hold onto his classic personality, I think that's an equally valid interpretation compared to the middle-aged Kratos we saw in the reboot.

[@GandalfsHorse84]

As a father approaching 40, who has made mistakes and hopes his children will do better, Kratos’s arc resonates so well with me. Characters need to change for story to have any meaning. James Bond is such a boring character. Casino Royale was peak Bond because the character had a noticeable arc in the film! I get that people might prefer the older Kratos but my first experience with the character is 2018’s version, and it has been a powerful, meaningful journey. This is what I want as a gamer. I’ve noticed plenty of woke things in the God of War games, and it does get under my skin. But I disagree that Kratos as a character is part of the woke bullshit. What they’re doing with him is just good story telling.

[@sanguinetales]

No Jaffe is a woke shill. He would have made new Kratos gay or bi.

[@Nostradevus1]

@@GandalfsHorse84 Yeah I definitely don't see Kratos's journey as being woke at all. He is powerful and wise, strong when he needs to be and merciful when he can be. Basically peak masculinity, but somehow that is woke???

[@cubie30dimh]

​@@sanguinetalesGlad to see that I'm not the only one who remembers that "gay Kratos" mock-up someone made that Jaffe responded to with his equivalent of "slay, queen!". That aside, I've been with Kratos from the beginning, and through all the good and bad. 2018 was remarkable and revolutionary. Ragnarok was a beautiful addition. The new adventures don't diminish the old, and they certainly don't disrespect the old. All warriors eventually become war weary, and in this moment they allowed the man to love again. He had a transformation and remembered what it was to be a husband and father, something that Jaffe gave him in the first place so that he had a reason to be so full of rage when it was taken away. Jaffe can get over himself. I understand where he's coming from, wanting to retain control of his character. But Kratos has grown, and like a good father it's time for Jaffe to let go.

[@buttons551]

​@@Nostradevus1 Like Kratos is still a huge badass. He's still firm and commanding not willing to take a person's shit but also more level headed and wise from all his experience.

[@mo_guled]

They won't give up farming ESG scores 😭

[@Greenapple30]

You can thank black rock for that

[@schizophrenic_rambler]

​@@Greenapple30if they keep at it the black rock will sink, this is just burning money

[@nalaka3488]

You know what I’m really tired of? How they took the sex appeal out of video games. Most KZbinrs says it’s no longer socially acceptable, but let’s face facts it sells! If you have a bad game put a woman in it, make her hot, and give her revealing clothes. Sit back and EXPECT a sales bump, because you will get it. So many games now have woman that are straight up ugly, so ugly that it breaks the immersion. Remember prince of Persia? Og Lara Croft? Street fighter? Metroid??

[@redninja3056]

So you guys are fine with games being soulless cash grabs as long as there hot women in it? Because personally I'd rather have a good game with ugly women because I'm not fucking stupid but play what you want

[@kennethsatria6607]

Speaking as a guy who likes attractive girls, I would also not mind a few beefy males for good measure. I like the aesthetic of playing as a big bulky dude like a Warcraft Orc or Zangeif, much as I would love playing as a busty badass woman. Also art styles of recent day feel overly realist, I think that should not always be the be all end all.

[@MagcargoMan]

I'm tired of fap addicts whining about their porn addiction in KZbin comments.

[@BoyBattery]

@@redninja3056 you can do both no need to make a woman look like a door knob just to make a small majority of people who won’t even play the game anyways feelings safe. Games also have gone down in quality of combat and compelling conflict in stories because of whats deemed socially unacceptable.

[@redninja3056]

@@BoyBattery lol no they haven't there's never been a deeper combat system in any Spiderman game until insomniac I cam say the same for alot of franchises actually

[@JDWalker495]

God please Japan hold strong, you are the last bastion of true epic creativity. You are the soldiers who do not buckle or yield when faced with the cruelty of this world And my soldiers push forward, my soldiers scream out, my soldiers RAGE

[@BoyBattery]

Best speech of all time and very true we need them😂😂 bring that young kratos back asap

[@ArtseyHayton06]

​@@BoyBatteryand do what else?

[@BoyBattery]

@@ArtseyHayton06 you act as though there aren’t a lot of places to pull from to do something new with the younger kratos we were sent off with in god of war 3. If they went the route of him traveling to new lands they didn’t need to age him up skip so much time and settle him down make him reluctant to do much of anything. They could’ve added on to the storyline with the freedom of what he’ll choose to do as a god in new areas where he is in conflict. Not the cinematic Disney movie like the last two games we got. He had way more life in him after god of war 3 he sacrificed himself and released hope in to the world. They could have shown him fight to protect that and build upon it in new areas. The story with Baldur was lazy and everyone saw it coming.

[@REMagnum500]

​@@BoyBatteryI agree, the moment I saw the new direction the game went I knew I wanted nothing to do with the franchise anymore. Didn't play a second of either of the newer games and from what I saw, I didn't miss out on anything worthwhile. There's much less gameplay as well- it's more like a glorified walking simulator with no jumping...

[@jgrAnimations23]

Japan: btw here is yuri and yaoi manga uwu

[@DarthVader1273]

The Japanese are a different breed when it comes to keeping their culture and art free of nonsense. They would easily see the problems with wokeness and adapt, whereas many western writers only know to double down.

[@omarkumar8036]

I agree. They are not that crazy to let this crap pass onto their lands.

[@wesleythomas7125]

It's because they have their own nonsense. It's like putting a wokie in with a pack of zombies.

[@omarkumar8036]

@@wesleythomas7125 True.

[@DemBigOlEyes]

@@wesleythomas7125 And we thank god for their nonsense. I honestly rather deal with 1000 different types of isekai anime nonsense than feminist lgbtqhdtv bullcrap.

[@alexmartin3143]

Bro their culture is full of nonsense…

[@screenname6829]

I actually disagree with jaffe for the most part. A core element of Kratos's character since his creation was that he was a loving father. While i do miss the savage Spartan it just makes sense to me that now we actually get to see kratos as a dad that we also see him lighten up...... I mean cmon this is a man who defied his countries law of casting deformed children off a cliff when his daughter was born sick to go get some ambrosia. Thats before the events of all the games. Dude was always gonna be dad of war

[@riotkitty]

Yeah same. I don’t share the opinion of the creator this time. For once, a sudo reboot did well in characters undergoing changes without them feeling like they are unrecognizable. Plus he was still manly and cool.

[@sethzwicker3631]

@@riotkitty Agreed. Kratos has lived a long life and been through a great deal. This changes him. He's no less a badass now than he ever was. Ther'es just more to him.

[@Aureilius2112]

Endymion labeling Kratos as progressive is a huge miss.

[@phoqueme]

Bro exactly! The ENTIRE reason that Kratos goes in the warpath in the first place (and that the games exist lmao) is to get revenge against Ares for tricking him into blindly killing his own daughter. Then it was a snowball effect from there

[@screenname6829]

@@Aureilius2112 😬 I dunno about that. Jaffe may be wrong about the character but the franchise itself is showing a few symptoms of the mind virus. Ngl making "the mother of all monsters" a black girl seemed like a real r/woosh moment And I strongly recall a conversation with mimir regarding how Odin raised his son's that all but said the words "toxic masculinity" Despite Freya's toxic femininity being the reason her son turned into a psychopath and being a core element to the story

[@jennifera.4511]

I hope Japan doesn't back down, and they reject this mess. Entertainment there is quite safe when it comes to western influence, the only thing that might put anime/manga in danger is the industry and how japanese will react to it. The pokemon anime is an example: they needed to resort to chinese animators to finish some episodes of the previous season because of pandemics and other problems related to workforce or something. Jujutsu kaisen's studio is also an example of japanese workforce breaking down. Their workforce can be easily replaced by China's or any of the asian tigers in terms of les cost. Although, as far as I know, Korea and China are focused in romance and drama stories only, which means Japan still has some time left as Asia's main entertainment provider of stories of other genres.

[@NourArt02]

13:58 HOLY SHIT WHAT A JUMPSCARE ... DUUUUDE make a disclaimer or something, i almost had a heart attack

[@malawisupasoldier7478]

Wokeness has tried multiple times in Japan and the creatives there fight back always

[@KingKrouch]

Unless it’s the games industry which in that case they’re complete pushovers to PlayStation and SJW lolcowlizers.

[@grimstorm2243]

that's why netflix produced blue eyes samurai, we must gatekeep or it's the end.

[@bll1]

@@grimstorm2243that’s also woke lol

[@grimstorm2243]

@@bll1 exactly my point.

[@jgrAnimations23]

But there's yaoi and yuri?🤷

[@JohnIsett]

Your comments on "The Last of Us, Pt 2" were exactly as I felt when I saw the abomination they had created. Part 1 was inspiring and interactions were something to be proud of. Part 2 was thoroughly corrupted and ruined by the WMV.

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

Lets see how Naughty Dog fares in the near future now that its pissed on one of it most beloved franchises. I'm guess in not to well as gamers are getting wise to this crap.

[@Xbalanque84]

Pure iconoclasm and nihilism for no reason. Anti-art. In a word, *evil.*

[@Xbalanque84]

​@@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148 Last Naughty Dog title I bought was the Crash Bandicoot collection, for nostalgia's sake. They'll never again get a red cent from me.

[@misanthropicattackhelicopt4148]

@@Xbalanque84 I would of bought the lasst of us on PC since its suppost to be a good game but why would I since I know what happens to the main character in 2.

[@ahoyforsenchou7288]

American Krogan is right about Last of Us.

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

All things considered... They could have done Kratos a LOT worse. He's one of the few heroes that hasn't been completely trashed. There's still some of the old edgy bloody goodness to him. Think about how many other series and legacy stories that have been ruined beyond repair. Compared to that? Kratos got off easy.

[@BoyBattery]

I’ll agree they didn’t wreck him beyond belief but he’s nerfed, the gameplay playing as kratos is soft, the conflict and combat in the games are super dull and bland due to wokeness and whats deemed socially unacceptable today and it absolutely sucks comparing it to the older games

[@Kamina.D.Fierce]

@@BoyBattery Of course, but THAT can still be course corrected. There are many other franchises and heroes whom that cannot be said about.

[@BoyBattery]

@@Kamina.D.Fierce they ruined spirderman as well prioritizing Mary Jane. But kratos has taken a big hit and the conflict of the games are no longer compelling I find it a shame

[@Jshawgames93]

@@BoyBattery While I respect your opinion, I respectfully disagree about the combat being dull and bland. I personally enjoy it more than I did in the original trilogy. And this is coming from someone who grew up with the originals. While I despise wokeness, I don't see how that has anything to do with your criticism of the combat. Not saying Ragnarok doesn't have an ounce of wokeness in it. The race swapped Angrboda, and the black guy who can turn into a boar makes no sense in an ancient Nordic setting. Just like it would make no sense to have white people in Ghost Of Tsushima. Anyways compared to other Sony titles I think the woke shit is much more subdued In Ragnarok as opposed to Spider-Man 2 where it's painfully obnoxious. But if it were up to me there wouldn't be an ounce of wokeness in a game period.

[@billyrayvalentine5079]

I totally agree. I know a lot of people like the new GOW games, but I honestly enjoyed the originals way more. Yeah, I get the character growth stuff, but I honestly could have done without it. The new games are decent, but I fell in love with the vicious unbridled soul-tortured Kratos. If I want to play a more tamed father figure character, then there are other games to choose from that fits that description.

[@TerryB01]

Japan will se this doesn't sell and stop.

[@schizophrenic_rambler]

West sure does know wokeness doesn't sell but that won't stop no one

[@TerryB01]

@@yohiblast7871 May he rest in peace!

[@kaizokujimbei143]

@@schizophrenic_rambler The west is about to collapse. The small hats do NOT have infinite money.

[@jonthanechols6410]

Tomino is one hundred percent fucking right. Disney's greatest classics were masterpieces of hand drawn animation. The 80s and 90s gave us some of the most gorgeous animated films. Hell, one of Disney's very attractions goes through the process of drawn animation. It needs to be brought back. Period.

[@drydryd]

I HATE when they say "new more mature self". Like what do they mean is beating someone to death with your bare hands childish? How is the new woke Kratos more "mature"?!?!

[@StarforceOnAir]

Kratos did not become softer. He became kinder. He became a true God of War; one who brings righteous fury onto those who have done countless acts of evil with no remorse.

[@steadyrow]

Blue eyed samurai I think shows the potential of 3d animation. Up until that point I wasn't sure it could work.

[@EndymionTv]

Haven’t watched that yet maybe I will

[@Ninja07Keaton]

Blue Eye Samurai and Arcane are exceptions, not the rule. As much as I love both shows, it's ever far reaching to see studios follow their example. Though I'd very much like that to be the case.

[@LuisSierra42]

It's a woke show, but tbf, it's less woke than it could have been

[@zaynvarenshutain5279]

How much woke is it fr? Because i was considering to watch it.​@@LuisSierra42

[@DemBigOlEyes]

@@LuisSierra42 It really isnt that woke when you think of it in the context of the character's perpective rather than the viewers. I'm just relieved the main character isn't a Mary Sue and got her ass rightfully beat numerous times in 8 episodes, almost dying at least twice. The only 'woke' element I personally saw was Akemi being a bitch after becoming queen, not even giving a single word of thanks to Taigen for coming so far to save her and the shogunate. But who knows, if she does address this and apologize in season 2, then there's no problem. But of course, whether something is woke also depends on your personal definition of woke. Some people would consider it woke simply because the characters happen to not be straight. I personally dont really care about characters being gay as long as its written well and it doesnt take away from the story just to push 'The Message.' As far as I can see, no issues of the sort in BES. Sexuality is used as a tool, or a power play in most of the plot whenever it comes up. Almost every sex scene also helped to flesh out a character more and isn't there just for empty convenience or eye candy. But yeah, only Princess Akemi so far seems to be most affected by wokeness, but everyone else (most importantly Mizu) seems fine to me.

[@Jonathan_Collins]

If Japan's work gets infected, I do hope the west have a comeback or some other nation can come up with their own dish. Because man... it would be a nightmare to have nothing at all. I rlly hope Japan would last long enough for other bastions to stand back

[@Asageun]

If you look at it from qn outside, this is a really cool concept for a horror story. A cognitovirus that spreads everywhere.

[@dony2852]

I wouldn't bet on 1st world media at this point. The mindset is too ingrained in the corporate structures from top to bottom. The hope will have to come from less affluent sources getting access to increasingly affordable production tech like Latin America or India.

[@aj.j5833]

It will because foolish gamers that is what they want by buying Elders Ring and praising it.

[@orrorsaness5942]

@@dony2852What are you talking about? My series The Pensuke Files goes against Wokeness despite it being made in California, the heart of Wokeness and the main villain, Pensuke is basically Wokeness personified. The antagonists are mainly less evil villains like The Earflipper (Kyubey) and other antagonists that aren’t in line with Pensuke’s insane power grabs.

[@f145hr3831jr]

@@aj.j5833 Cope and seethe.

[@KonungrKaapro]

Japan is our last bastion of hope when it’s about great content and hot looking characters. Let’s hope that won’t change

[@edwardtownsendjr.]

If the sequel to "Ghost of Tsushima" comes out, I hope for the love of God that they won't mess that up!!!

[@fawkes.6820]

Kratos being a father figure yet who can still kick ass is great character development. What were they gonna do instead? Make him be a edgy for 6 games and be the same?

[@jessem3149]

I think it makes more sense for Kratos to be this way now, and the original audience has grown and probably have children now too and can relate more to the character. Ragnorok should have been a DLC for sure.

[@InitialPC]

@@jessem3149 A DLC??? the game is fucking huge!

[@eijitoh6252]

because it's not the original vision of the creator. they could've just created a new character and game but wanted to put their own ideals than the original creators.

[@swiftstreak98]

​@user-fm5xf4pe6v At all

[@pyschobandit4478]

​@@InitialPCbut there is a dlc

[@Constellasian]

One of the dumbest things in God of War Ragnarok was making Angriboda Black. It's obvious they did this for ESG points. This reminded me of that Viking show where they made a historical Viking figure into a Black woman. Yes, Angriboda was fictional but still wasn't originally Black.

[@desert0x38c9]

And? You wanted everything to be accurate to the myths? You wanted to see Atreus getting it on with a stallion don't you? The thing is, they probably made the model from angraboda look like the person she's being played as. The same with Odin and the same as Freya. I mean, if they found an actress that was white, they probably would've made her white.

[@nathantudor5763]

Thing is that wasn’t her defining characteristic. It just was, nothing was forced and no attention was bought to the fact that she was. It impacted the game and story not at all. So who really cares?

[@adonaimelles2317]

If had to guess I would saythat they did it because loki and angribodas daughter hel was said to be half black ( with rot) on one side and half white on the other. They would reference this by making angriboda black, so their child would be half black and half white

[@Maniacman2030]

God, you other guys just don't get it, do you? You let ANYTHING slip through and you know what they do? Keep working their way up. Changes here and there until it's finally nothing like it previously resembled. No excuses. "It doesn't affect..." Is the excuse of the ignorant who have NEVER paid attention. Just like censorship, you NEVER let anything slide. They're giants, from a snowy mountainous realm, so any of them being Black makes absolutely ZERO sense. Plus, it's a NORDIC MYTHOLOGY. You know, fair skinned and light haired people?

[@Maniacman2030]

​@@desert0x38c9Okay pal, so tell me this. Christopher Judge, a Black Man, voiced Kratos in this and Kratos is a WHITE Greek Man. You just said, "If they had found a White Actress," so then why isn't Kratos BLACK in this and resembling Chris Judge? Get out of here with that pansy excuse. It's called voice ACTING. You know, pretending to be someone you are not? I swear, you people will make any excuse for the industry and that's why it's slowly rotting in the West.

[@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115]

Japanese consoomers will go on a buying strike so fast and so hard that studios will feel it immediately.

[@murimurimrui]

Essentially this. I honestly dont get the freak out. Japanese anime fans control the anime industry not western companies nor their western fans. Like... anime is literally made to cater the japanese. Not westerners.

[@yohiblast7871]

As Mr Wuncler once said from The Boondocks "We're Americans. We dont quite just because we're wrong.We just keep doing the wrong thing until it turns out right"

[@kaizokujimbei143]

That's the definition of insanity.

[@JackJackson-uf4ei]

@@kaizokujimbei143and that insanity has gone unchecked for a very very very very long time

[@wrathfulcoma4357]

I actually really like the new Kratos

[@xexoduzx]

Same here.

[@swiftstreak98]

I don't

[@pietroscarpa2384]

I don't know why you mentioned God of War because their aren't any woke elements to it. I think Jeffy is just bitter because he is not working anymore on that franchise and after GOW he was not able to create something compelling. I think Kratos is the only true masculine character that we have in gaming right now.

[@kennethsatria6607]

I agree!

[@RenardtheFoxx100]

I second this!

[@susanwjoh0re735]

if you think there isnt any woke bs in that game, then you are woke too.

[@pietroscarpa2384]

@@susanwjoh0re735 Can you give a few examples?

[@susanwjoh0re735]

kratos in the first game was right when he said to his son to close his heart to his enemies as they will not feel for him. in ragnarok, at the end, he said that he was wrong. he said that atreus should "feel for his enemies like a little b1tch. guess what? not a single enemie "felt" for them. they all wanted to kill kratos and atreus. Kratos for "holding back" because he wanted to be a metrosexual man instead of the spartan in the previous games, he got killed by thor. good thing that thor revived him. if he actually died gues what would happen to atreus?his son would be dead in seconds. great father material right there huh? Mimir was telling a story about how thor's sons turned out azzholes. he said that thor taught them how to be masculine men with discipline and that is why they turned out that way. unsuprisingly, his daughter is such a good daughter lmao. basically mimir was saying that that being a man is bad cuz "toxic masculinity". ohh and nobody called out freya when she was obsesed with protecting her son which is why the whole freaking mess started in the first place. baldur got killed because freya turned him into a psycho and kratos and atrues had to protect themselves from him. if a man did what freya did, he would be called "controlling". there are more that i probably missed but they are there. the woke virus has infested everyone we are done for dude.@@pietroscarpa2384

[@sefcontrull]

Did you see how Peter is slumped down compared to Miles standing upright chest out and confident? Even the subtle imagery shows Peter is the "lesser" of the two. Pathetic. Insomniac is a freaking joke.

[@mobiusbacon]

with god of war 4 i was open to it and accepted how kratos was a father and had a second change with his son, he was still a tough and violet man, but tried to keep his son away from turning into him, and while knowing that he cant change, also the plot did everything right so kratos would end up in the same situation before and be forced to kill another pantheon to keep his son from dying, and setting up to accept his past through his son and acknowledge that his violent past wasn't his fault but instead from corrupt greedy gods(Zeus, Ares, Athena) only for ragnarok to throw all of it out the window with a messy plot and awful writing,(seriously the ending is avengers assemble moment, freya forgives kratos instantly, thor betrayed odin instantly, everything about angrboda and the retconned ragnarok so it conveniently only destroys asgard. only for the dlc to come in and try and make kratos a character he isnt. )

[@redninja3056]

Freya didn't forgive Kratos she understood him, thor clearly didn't like Odin at all and Kratos being the God of hope is exactly something he should be since you know that was foreshadowed in God of War 3 get a grip

[@mobiusbacon]

@@redninja3056 freya understanding kratos is more dumb, as she spent 5+ years in blind rage to kill him or realize the consequences of what might have happened to atreus if she did, and when kratos needs her, freya conveniently gets a conscience and understands kratos. same for thor, his entire life revolved around save keeping asgard, and his family, so why would he side with the people that are literally destroying and bringing ragnarok to asgard (mind you no one knows other than the protagonist that ragnarok would only destroy asgard instead of all the realms, not even Odin knew before finding the mural) and kratos never wanted to be a god he only wanted vengeance, that title was pushed onto him over and over again by other gods to manipulate him, even this time how freya and others want him to be a god is a mistake that hes repeating from his past, and he was manipulated by his second wife aswell faye to bring loki into existence and bring rangarok, his entire live has revolved around being puppeted by other gods and immortals beings, and now he is making the same mistake he did in god of war 1 and 2, even if he is called the god of hope, the next game will come and change it back to the title to god of war and find another reason why kratos cant let go of his past, and drop the hope act just so he can repeat the mistakes over and over again. only way for kratos to move on is to give up his god hood, something he already did in god of war 3 only to throw all his work away because of a mural that tells him that he can be a good god in the future for once, instead of learning from the past that its not worth being a god. thanks for the reply, you go get a grip aswell and have a nice day.

[@EJaDav]

Personally I love modern Kratos, I played the original games growing up and I just never liked original Kratos as a character. Of course, Jaffe is absolutely justified that he isn’t satisfied with what he created. I absolutely feel for him, it must be heartbreaking to see something you created and nurtured for many years be warped from what you originally wanted.

[@io8806]

2018 Kratos is a natural and well-deserved evolution of the OG Kratos, he's still the Kratos we know, just wiser, more in control of his rage and doesn't want to make the same mistakes he made with his previous family. He's ashamed of his past, but comes to terms with it at the end of 2018. Ragnarok's Kratos is overly expressive of his feelings, overly conversational, too trusting to people and suddenly cares enough about a random dwarven blacksmith to literally start Ragnarok for him. There's no "modern" Kratos. There's Kratos and then there's this joke of a character in Ragnarok that's called Kratos

[@user-cd4um8xm3h]

@@io8806ragnarok kratos is not a joke in any capacity and it add more to kratos as a character then any other gow game. im assuming you just dont like character growth and ironically it shows you dont wanna let go of who kratos was and let him grow, the central theme of gow ragnarok

[@io8806]

@@user-cd4um8xm3h Grow and change entirely are two different things. He changes entirely in Ragnarok while he grows in 2018. I recommend you to play 2018 again as you don't seem to have understood or appreciated the writing on that game.

[@user-cd4um8xm3h]

@@io8806 he never changed, he was always the same character but not the rampaging warrior that you seem to believe. he was a compasionate father ever since the first game with his family. you just have a completely perverted idea of what his character is supposed to be

[@io8806]

@@user-cd4um8xm3h As I said, you don't seem to understand how good Kratos's writing is and how well him becoming a father was depicted in 2018. He's a total joke in Ragnarok

[@44Quantum]

Well, this is bad news, (as usual).

[@brentdye1504]

I don't think the age of anime and manga will end.

[@theanimeunderworld8338]

As long as there are great story tellers who'll try something new it won't Especially since it's thriving due to American comics sucking

[@John-du2mq]

Jaffe is an idiot. He created the end of Kratos because once he destroyed everyone who wronged him and killed his original family (yes he was a father and married remember?) He was able to start building something new or at least be at peace.

[@CrazyGamerDragon64]

Wow I didn't realize that the development Kratos has been going through in the newer GoW games was controversial, I really liked the direction his story has been going, someone who is putting his wicked past behind him & regaining his humanity. Oh well I guess different strokes for different people. Don't get me wrong though, I understand where GoW's creator is coming from, there are some characters that SHOULDN'T be changed, my biggest complaint about the Sequel Star Wars trilogy is how they handled Luke Skywalker as well as how Ahsoka was depicted on her series compared to Clone Wars & Rebels

[@NeoGeo2006]

I just want to have a chance to get some stories and media that aren’t woke and that can give me some escapism; Every day it’s just “woke this and woke that” and I’m sick of companies ruining the things that I love. They already somewhat ruined mortal kombat for me, But what’s next? A goddamn Gender and race swapped king of fighters!?

[@redninja3056]

If you really can't handle other views then you deserve to have the things you love ruined to be honest, not everything that's woke is bad that's just a dumb mindset

[@ezkiel0]

Well... sad to inform you but they already did that to King of Fighters in 2019. It's called SNK Heroines.

[@NeoGeo2006]

@@ezkiel0 I’m aware but hey; it’s been there and done that. But just imagine them straight up ruining characters like Mai Shiranui or even Athena

[@freespeechisdead7233]

​ @ezkiel0 SNK Heroines however, was more of a spinoff rather than a change of direction for the franchise. They also still dared to make the girls look cute and show cleavage, most of them basically had a swimsuit as their main costume irc. lol

[@JohnDoe-id5ih]

I dislike woke stuff but what did they do to Mortal Kombat? I'm not aware of it

[@Acoto]

I dont hate the new angle taken for Kratos, but I didnt like the story or environment. The world feels empty and I just cant make myself care about what they're doing, which shows how the writers lost the plot and feel of GoW.

[@desert0x38c9]

Well, there's a reason it won goty in 2018 and came close second in 2022. The people still love the story.

[@Mecks089]

I have good news though! On Twitter, AI was officially used to translate a certain manga, and it's pissing off the Lolcowlizers!

[@darkknight8643]

I respect the creators opinions and I think that they are valid, but there are a few things that I disagree with. Yes, in the beginning he was this force of anger and rage but he is also a tragic character that just wanted his family and to live a good life. The new kratos is the most logical path that the character could have taken in my opinion. Also, if anyone even suggests that the original games should be changed they should be ignored because the games are perfect the way they are.

[@blumiu2426]

You think Kratos thinks like someone in 2023 or like a Spartan in ancient times? Show me a ancient Greek piece of literature where you see the subversion of a character that goes against his culture, ideals and true natural progression of someone from that time. You grow soft because you were born in soft times; you only get softer. Kratos was a hard man in hard times and you do not grow into what was portrayed. You grow wiser, more knowledgeable, not softer.

[@Revanshard4501]

​@@blumiu2426 Will you get off your high horse? You've tried to make the same argument in over a dozen different comment threads, but it’s painfully obvious you don't get the point, despite it being explained to you multiple times.

[@blumiu2426]

@@Revanshard4501 I could care less what you think of it and this is a public platform. Show me a guideline where this is a limit to how many people you can rely to. Do you take issue with multiple people saying the same things or one person replying to the same thing being said? Where does your bias stand? And does it make sense to reply with the same argument to said comments or would it be a contradiction to say something different each time? Stop being ignorant and get off your high horse in being a presumptuous sod. No one is explaining anything to me as no one has replied back to me. Do you think it's not obvious that what you say is because you support the view they express and would be as dismissed by me, even more as you can't say anything toward the points I raised? You've said nothing important other than a drawn out way of saying "Stop".

[@Revanshard4501]

@blumiu2426 Firstly, saying it hasn't been explained to is a bold faced lie. I've read through multiple comment threads and seen several people answer your arguments. Just because you choose to ignore them doesn't mean they don't exist. My main issue was that you kept repeating the same talking point to every opposing view, like an npc being prompted for a voice line. It gets annoying, especially when it has no bearing on the points being made about the heavily fictionalized history of a video game world. Secondly, this will be my only reply to you, as it is very obvious based on your other comments and exchanges that you are not willing to entertain opposing viewpoints, much less even consider changing your own (And you're calling me ignorant). I'm not going to waste any more time on you. Have a nice day.

[@blumiu2426]

@@Revanshard4501 No, there hasn't been an answer. You haven't even produced one or stated it, so you're clearly A) lying to make your case or B) seeing what you want to see as you agree with their position. You also assume I'm going through the entirety of the comment section, a wild assumption on your part. There have been no opposing views I've responded to that presented a different argument. They were the same ones reiterated and I stated that in my last reply to you, yet you somehow ignored that fact. Nothing was fictionalized about the Greek mythos culture nor concerning Sparta. I've no idea what you are trying to say other than it's fantasy, so accuracy doesn't matter. The team took Heracle's mythos and overall Greek mythology and adapted it into a story. Nothing is negated in how a Spartan lived, their cultural viewpoints and history taken from. Your mistake is that you are trying to change someone's mind on the internet by first coming with a poor approach, the other presenting no counterpoint at all. You keep saying it, yet never assert it. I clearly have read the comments, thought on them to the point that I can up with a rebuttal on why I disagree with it. If I think something is wrong based on facts I'm aware of, then I will be replying in that manner. You wasted your own time by saying nothing worthwhile other than your displeasure I disagreed with those that share your sentiment.

[@KnightSoulsG]

Not Japan come on! Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[@LuisSierra42]

I'll believe it when I see it

[@malawisupasoldier7478]

Stop worrying because Ken Akamatsu said he'd actively fight against this

[@velhesvalden1309]

Yes, it's what I pointed out some times ago. Squaresoft has more and more wokes elements in it's games & Capcom is censoring and using less sexy models for exemple. The mangaka of Love Hina & Negima, Ken Akamatsu, had to go into politic to try to slow down the idelogt from west to spread in their culture.

[@solarprophet5439]

I think Kratos' growth as a character is honestly one of the best things about the new GoW games. He's matured, and he's done so in a very natural way without sacrificing what made him such a badass in the first place. I think the version of Kratos we wound up with is superior to Jaffe's vision in almost every single possible way. It's character development done 100% correctly. I cannot disagree with you or him more on this. And yes, I'm about as anti-woke as it gets. Didn't even buy Spider-Man 2 for the reasons you listed here, despite loving the first game, and I never will. I refuse to support that garbage. Kratos isn't 'woke', nor has he 'lost his edge'. He's GROWN from a whiny, perpetually angry man-child hellbent on revenge to something which more closely resembles an actual human being. I'm sorry you don't like it, but I think it's safe to say that you're in the minority here. But, I respect your opinion, and to be honest I think this is the first time I've ever really disagreed with you. Thanks for making great content and keeping it real!

[@Unknownperson-eo6mk]

I was going to say the same thing honestly. Especially when Jeffe said himself that Kratos was a self insert fanfictioned character of hate and anger bent on revenge on his superiors who've wronged him. In that sense, that character is just like u/ if not u in a similar situation. To say that u want the character to stay the same is essentially saying u don't wish to change, or don't wish to grow up at all. I too, love Kratos from the first few games to the most recent ones, but the games back then have always taught me values of both mythology and life-like situations while captivating what most of us meme and women would do in his situation. He was a soldier who fought for his home and his family only to lose it all by the person he gave his life to, I had a certain experience once to understand the saying: "Revenge is bitter sweet, and is best served cold." Even tho it was only a game, but it still held moral values in my life til this day as all games have done in our lives. Even now with the older version of Kratos has taught them and is still a hardened badass regardless of time or age. The growth of Kratos was refreshing because it shows what it's like being a god but also being a father.

[@alexzanderroberts995]

To be honest I think Kratos was done well. Mostly cause my dad was broken mentally from the US military. It took him a long time to change, and become better. He is a lot like Kratos in that way. And I am a lot like Atreus in the was a snobby little shit that just took and took and took until the giving tree fell...

[@Unknownperson-eo6mk]

@@alexzanderroberts995 My parents weren't in any active services but they were hard on me because of their backgrounds growing up. Mymom being the hardest one since she was a single mother raising 6 kids. My pops being the one full of regret and tried his best to teach us how to live in a society of chaos and confusion. Looking back on it now, I can say they've changed alot just as much as Kratos has which made me smile. I'd say I was like Atreus in my younger years, I was arrogant and hard-headed with some anger issues. I fought alot with my family and didn't have any close friends growing up, and I had a crush too.

[@StevoStaple]

i agree with David kratos was way more epic in the originals

[@daniilk3373]

His “growth” was done decent in the first game, but in the second he is this toothless, sanitized and bleak version of his old self, it makes me sick. He can’t even talk back to Freya, when she outright challenges him. How much pathetic can you get? You call that better? What a joke Liking THIS Kratos already makes you woke as shit, so no need to make excuses. And calling old Kratos “whiny” makes me wonder if you ever played the old games. Btw, saying someone’s opinion is in a minority only invalidates YOUR opinion, not theirs😂

[@vincentthought6130]

The reason why Jaffe is wrong about Kratos is because there is nothing left to Kratos after Olympus. His only motivation is vengeance in the old games. Ok, what next? Kratos has nothing to fuel his vengeance anymore. So what? Just have him kill all pantheons just because he hates gods? At least he has à motivation to fight oden in the new games, protecting his son. The flaw with young kratos is his motivation is already flawed from the start. There is no future for a character like Kratos when his vengeance is complete and he has nothing left.

[@aronaugsburg2166]

god forbid kratos had character development and, you know, stopped being so angry because now he's old.

[@Sunglare1]

Ive noticed that since feminist complained about panty shots in anime several years ago there arent any "panty shots" in any anime even in etchi anime. Now if a girl does some kind acrobatics in a show while wearing a skit you get the black hole skirt or their skirt magically cover everything but then they will go on to show the character in a bikini or even straight up show her butt in a bath scene.

[@themanicfiddler1152]

This sounds rather paranoid to me. Also, how many years ago was this? Because there's definitely still some rather raunchy content being produced and that have been produced in the last 3 or so years

[@Sunglare1]

@@themanicfiddler1152 it's not paranoia, it's an observation. The upskirt shot has been in anime since the 80s. Look at the anime removed from the party with Red and Rit. It's clearly an fan service heavy anime and even though they have tons of bathing scenes cleavage side boob bare butts when Rit is fighting you would. Normally get some upskirts in this type of anime but instead you get the eternal void of darkness when she flips around. Tons of other fan service anime like this too. Just start paying attention of you are watching an anime with fanservice you'll start noticing " okay this scene would clearly have a upskitrt panty shot" and it wont. I remember several years ago there was a slice of life anime that came out and in the very first moments of the show the protagonist falls down and a girl jumps over his head and it shows him looking her skirt. And of course this was massive outrage about it from westerns and all the usual articles about sexism misogyny and objectification agaist women and since then upskirt stuff has started disappearing. It doesnt pop up in a lot of situations where you would normally see it in anime.

[@sovl2659]

I like how kratos evolved cause it felt natural, people can really change, and although this new versions might seem "soft" I doubt one of us would deliver a slap on him the way Baldur did. 😅

[@BoyBattery]

I get what your saying I like to see kratos embrace fatherhood but the games itself 2018 and ragnorak became very bland the gameplay is dull and kratos has become just an oaf. The conflict of the story isn’t very compelling despite it having a lot of potential and things to pull from. It seems to focus more on story and cinematics vs what god of war has always been

[@io8806]

2018's Kratos isn't soft, Ragnarok's is. 2018 Kratos felt like a natural progression of the OG Kratos, just wiser, more in control of his rage and doesn't want to make the same mistakes he made with his previous family. He's ashamed of his past, but comes to terms with it at the end of 2018. Ragnarok's Kratos is overly expressive of his feelings, overly conversational, trusts and cares way too much about people where he normally wouldn't and call them friends.

[@sovl2659]

@@BoyBattery I agree with your comment I used "soft" in a sarcastic tone while enphasizing the fact that Kratos had simply understood that violence and rage is not the only way to live. I really like this New Kratos.

[@bangla996]

agree with most except for the GoW part. the directional change in kratos's character arc by santa monica has been nothing short of AMAZING.

[@bryonmiller4326]

Thank god Torrents still exist. Everything modern is absolutely terrible. I'm populating my plex server with all the good old media I can find, before too long, they'll try wiping it all as "offensive". I'll have it all by then though. Modern day entertainment really sucks, it's embarrassing how bad it is. It's like the untalented kids that were never told their shit stinks are all grown up and making movies and tv shows. We need to bring back bullies and parents giving their own kids 5 Across the eyes again. Being soft and weak af gave us what we have now.

[@e0jay]

I'm of the mind that only the creators of an IP have any right to make statements of their IP. As much as JK Rowling's random retcons of some of her characters seem ridiculous to me, Harry Potter is her creation and she can do what she wishes with it.

[@redninja3056]

Sure but we can disagree with it, we can also call out on why their critics are really dumb if needed

[@kennethsatria6607]

Yes but its not their's anymore in the end and fans that have sampled the stories of both have a right to choose which they like and if they wanna keep going with the new creative team. I think like some here the old creator has a same paranoia that everything written in modern day is inferior and backwards to they way he did it. When yes you can still find a couple diamonds in the rough, just because new GOW tackles these modern concepts its done so with greater wisdom and understanding of the topics as well as great respect and consideration to the character's perspectives.

[@fkndingus900]

Yoshiyuki Tomino is based af. This woke mind virus ideology needs to be rejected and I really hope Japan turns it down. I have always saw Japan as the final bastion of good entertainment as well. And I'm glad Jaffe spoke out about GoW, Ragnarok just doesn't feel like the same GoW. Kratos was just badass and ruthless but they've aged him and just made him feel so different.

[@gamer-thrones6757]

Shlamaluhk Endymion!

[@paytonturner1421]

Well I saw the newer God of War games. At least that acknowledges that kratos at the end of the original games, he got nothing out of his revenge. And that he was still miserable and had nothing to live for it. I can see where you're coming from, but at least he evolved more than some women's smashing angry person has more nuance to its character. I can agree with you on there should not be no remakes of the original God of War games keeping the way they are.

[@buttons551]

Kratos always had more nuance in the original games. In the first game alone shows him to be a complicated man with the first scene him trying to kill himself out of sheer despair.

[@paytonturner1421]

I get your point but in my opinion the newer games try to develop him more into a more complex character of him reconciling with his past.

[@buttons551]

@@paytonturner1421 He was already a complex character to begin with. He didn't start out simple and was made complex. All they did was use what was already there.

[@paytonturner1421]

@@buttons551 Okay okay, Everybody has their opinions and viewpoints about characters and how they interpret it. Let's just put it at that and let's not start an argument over the internet all right, let's agree to disagree.

[@conorkilhenny5362]

@@buttons551 His character in the original games pretty much boiled down to "kill everything and anyone that gets in my way regardless of consequence". The new games gave his character more depth and made him more intriguing.

[@renaldc8002]

Lets hope that japan doesn't bend the knee if so welp its gonna be the end of anime/Japanese games and sadly japanese culture which ngl thats gonna make me cry

[@KawaiiOniNezuko]

I hope that Japanese media keeps on rejecting *THE MESSAGE* .

[@fuentes196]

Yeah sure but then you have mangas like Skip and Loafer, Hourou Musuko, Boys Run the Riot, Claudine, To Strip the Flesh, etc. Honestly when it comes to lgbt content I tend to suggest Manhuas (Think of Tamen de Gushi) instead of Mangas as Mangas can be preachy sometimes.

[@Jizzlewobbwtfcus]

Btw your detailed synopsis of what's going on here is SUPERB!. Got a new sub mate : ]

[@CommanderBohn]

This case was the same with video games in Japan when Japan tried to sell stuff to the west by making games that were taking ques from other western games (I remember Namco making once a not!Gears of War and it was very forgettable). When people over there realized everything was tanking, they went back to doing what they do best. Capcom was the biggest example here.

[@timoteoseagedetoffol8795]

The Japanese are different kind of people. They are extremely proud people, especially about their culture. So, deconstructive ideas are simply unacceptable in their mindset. Nintendo having the hand on Illumination to make the Mario Movie or Oda holding Netflix hostage with One Piece Live Action. These two indicators shows that the Japanese won't back down at any moment. Also, since the Woke mind virus is failing in the Western World. It won't be strong enough to reach Japan and Korea. We can critize the uniformization of Japanese media or the shitty sequels of popular mangas (I am looking at you DBS) but this is the 'worst' who could happen to Japanese media: Classic cashgrab on nostalgia, nothing more, nothing less.

[@tahurpsych660]

One Piece and Oda are woke lol, what are you talking about?

[@timoteoseagedetoffol8795]

@@tahurpsych660 What do you mean, 'they are woke' ? I have never see him supporting the LGBT movement nonsense, feminists or something like that... Give proof dude.

[@malekithsilverheart2357]

I have to say I think Kratos regretting his past is actually very compelling. I was never really on his side when he went slaughtering everyone for no reason. Posiedon, Hades, Hepheastus, Helios and everyone else were all murdered bc they didn't want Kratos to kill Zues, which they were partially right for. Kratos killing Zues destroyed everything in the process, and yes Zues was evil, but so was Kratos. This new direction for him is actually much better, rather than an angsty teen who wants to kill everyone instead of facing the consequences of his actions. Remember, he was mad at the gods bc they wouldn't take away his memories (and it's implied that that's actually impossible), not just bc Zues killed him. So this new evolution into the God of Hope actually seems in line with the whole arc he's undertaken, and at the same time shows us that even KRATOS needed to grow up. I like to think that the first series was for edgy teenage rebels, the next series was for men who wanted to protect their family.

[@magnus073]

Very nice work making your points in this video.

[@cooperstern314]

Okay what the hell is Jaffe talking about when saying Kratos is remorseless? The first game literally had him throwing himself off a cliff because he couldn’t live with his guilt. Like yeah he’s different in the new games it’s called character growth he’s still beating monsters and gods to death but he’s just more mature because he lived through the consequences of his actions

[@NMbones98]

Honestly the God of war thing is a stupid take kratos having character growth is not a problem at all everyone claims to like the 2018 but now it a problem their logic doesn't make sense here.

[@lucasbelmonte2832]

So true, he basically just wants Kratos to remain a big dumb brute.

[@axiom6000]

100% also, I like how Valhalla points out Kratos kills some people in the older games for no reason. Kratos isn’t a hero in the older games, he does lots of bad things. Jaffe saying Kratos should stay that way is insane to me.

[@Kebin13]

dante and vergil said hi about the take on making characters grow withotuh turning them into complete oposite of themselvs.

[@johnduquette7023]

@@axiom6000 He's a *_Greek_* hero in those games. That doesn't mean he was a hero the way we think of it in the modern sense, like Superman.

[@hardcorevictor2552]

Now that Jim Ryan is leaving PS and will be replace by a japanese, let's hope our nippon friends will clean all this mess up 🤞🤞