Episode 152: The Holy Spirit and Charismatic Graces

[@georgegunzerath489]

Jesus,gave us both the grace of the Eucharistic and,the Holy,spirit we Ned both just as we Need 2 parents to,exist,and to thrive,after all these long years the church just,can't embrace and encourage the Holy,Spirit instead they choose to resist it,but we all,Ned it badley

[@JohnR.T.B.]

The issue with the contemporary Catholic charismatic movement is that, from what I observe, the devotees to the renewal focus almost entirely on the gift of tongues, when the Holy Spirit can and has given us many other ordinary and extraordinary graces according to His will, if we acknowledge it. Furthermore, all gifts of the Spirit should lead us to the Holy Eucharist, Jesus' real presence, defined as the source and summit of the Christian faith, and it doesn't take extraordinary graces to receive and love the Eucharist. The gifts of the Spirit rightly manifested should also help and lead us to greater love for others and God. From my experience with the charismatic groups that I've encountered, many of them would "speak in tongues" and "prophesy", but they lack the depth of knowledge and faith about other aspects of the Church and Catholic life and tradition, which make me think they do them superficially and out of suggestive thoughts, because of the emotional drives.

[@JesusChurchBible]

Excellent points, well said.

[@mazikode]

Thank you Fathers, I am so happy to hear your talk on the Holy Spirit and your honest take on what you experienced on campus.God bless you I love your show. I always learn so much and it encourages my faith.

[@ladymacanrothaich]

Really appreciate this discussion. I'm charismatic, as in, when I first found Jesus and surrendered to Him I was filled with Holy Spirit and I am devoted to Him since. I'm in the process of discerning joining the Catholic Church, as an adult who has been a Christian for well over 20 years. Thus hearing discussion from the Catholic perspective on Holy Spirit and His gifts is very helpful.

[@CocinandoconMartha121]

May God bless you Father's! 🌻🐕

[@doreenvandermerwe2027]

Thank you, Thank you! for this inspiring and Spirit-led discussion.

[@aiantenor9080]

Thank you Fathers. God bless you all and keep you

[@1988Parlan]

Holy Toledo! Fr. Gregory you are indeed gifted. As I am Living in the heart of the Holy Spirit Triangle ( Notre Dame-Ann Arbor-Steubenville) and converted to Catholicism during the massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the 1970-1980’s , my journey began with the baptism of the HS during that time. My 40 year trek brought me to this moment and this podcast. Been thinking about the third order lay Dominicans and wondered if inquiring with the Steubenville community would be a good fit, as none are in my location. Its a 3.5 hour drive. Too far? Too unrealistic? My take away is that given my journey , a charismatic-sympathetic community might be a good fit. Other locations are Columbus and Youngstown (2.5 hours). Thank you in advance for your reply.

[@hallower1980]

In theory, I can accept that charismatic graces can be wild and challenge comphrehension. In practice, what is commonly called a gift of tongues does not jive with the gift of tongues as witnessed in the Biblical account of Pentecost. The Apostles experienced it as a unifying grace that overcame different languages to clarify the Word. The term today refers rather to a solitary and scattering effect by which one person speaks to God in a language no one else understands. It is not God who scatters.

[@msgoody2shoes959]

As a convert, speaking in tongues, is my use of Latin at mass..

[@msgoody2shoes959]

Yes.

[@juanyowell]

Fire🔥🔥🔥

[@carolynkimberly4021]

What parish here in the Mile High City did you visit?

[@thatguyzwife]

What time is it where you are? Uploading videos at 2am my time. Haha

[@carolynkimberly4021]

Where was the Holy Spirit during the last conclave? He obviously didn't choose the current occupant of the Papal office. As a child, I was taught that the Holy Spirit inspired the Cardinals to pick a person that would best lead the Church.

[@zenuno6936]

There is divine providence, so we get the Pope we deserve. Maybe having this Pope made people pray more for the clergy which we were slacking on. And these prayers will net some future generations some heroic popes. who knows.

[@SouLightness]

And you have absolute certainty...how?

[@carolynkimberly4021]

Are any of you Traditional Catholics or, despite your grounding in St. Thomas, you go along with the "new theology" of that unfortunate council and the Masonic/Protestant, cobbled together NO liturgy.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

The gifts of the Holy Ghost given to us in Confirmation do not include speaking in tongues which is Protestant nonsense.

[@bradleykimmons]

Oof. That’s a lie. Were Peter and Paul “Protestants”?

[@carolynkimberly4021]

@@bradleykimmons The apostles spoke in the languages of the people to whom they preached. They didn't stand around babbling nonsense.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

@@bradleykimmons God forbid that they were Prots

[@bradleykimmons]

@@carolynkimberly4021 you need to further examine Paul’s letters and not so quickly dismiss the experiences of your Catholic brethren.

[@carolynkimberly4021]

@@bradleykimmons The Catholic Church is rooted in revelation and Tradition not in personal "experience". Stick to the Traditional Mass and Sacraments. Steer clear of V2 Protestant infiltrations. Get a copy of the Catechism of the Council of Trent.