Going From The WCW To The WWE

Big stars in the WCW doesn't mean they were big stars in the WWE. #shorts #youtubeshorts #wrestling #wrestler #sixfeetunder

[@ryanrusso2954]

Taker forgot about the massive pop DDP got when he took that mask off. He was a huge star and they booked him into a grave.

[@adamcadwell4560]

Even did the job to 'Takers ex wife too

[@sarcophage]

I think Taker is coming from the perspective of “you make it work” even if the gimmick is bad. There’s a lot of truth to that for sure. But there’s a lot of luck involved there too. Would Taker have been so successful if he had been the Egg monster?

[@TVindustries5000]

I was bout to say, I love 'Take but DDP got screwed. DDP made it work best he could but he was still screwed. bit of a company man response. he might have had the right idea but that wasnt the sentiment of the people leading the charge. Triple H didnt share that sentiment. others too, because these guys were coming in threatening their spots. DDP wanted to work and he got shafted. thats the whole reason Sting didnt want to come to WWE

[@stevew7571]

Wwf buried those WCW guys. Period. Sure Bagwell was trash, but they killed DDP off overnight. Taker is tripping.

[@BigMallTV]

Not really. Undertaker was jobless and given a mortician character and he made it work. DDP should have made it work. Wcw guys were 1 dimensional

[@ACGWander]

We really going to act like Vince didnt actively bury WCW talent?

[@cassiusclayreels]

Not to mention Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Big Show, Jericho, etc... they all peaked under the WWE shield.

[@mullenlogan20]

@@cassiusclayreelspeople seem to forget all of them came from wcw.

[@Ghost-Face420]

Booker T, Chris Jericho, Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero, Goldberg.. enough said or??

[@cassiusclayreels]

@@mullenlogan20 then we gotta remind em because all of those guys mentioned, even honorable mention Chris Benoit, touched the world title under WWE at least once. People crazy lol

[@mullenlogan20]

@@cassiusclayreels benoit, the undertaker, Scott hall, edge and hell even mick foley and THE CFO HIS FUCKING SELF TRIPLE H So most of the legends and hall of famers and multi time world champs all started in wcw and when they came to wwe they ended up having the best career.

[@EyeMixMusic]

Taker has never been more wrong. Vince has no problem burying HIS OWN TALENT, he's done it a million times. WCW guys were twice as expendable.

[@chop54321]

Yeah those WCW guys he buried like Steve Austin. That guy went nowhere huh

[@TheSamp00]

Austin went to WWF in ​1996 and invasion happened in 2001. You can't name many wcw stars that became wwe superstars after Vince bought them out @@chop54321

[@gag141]

​@@chop54321that's after coming from ECW

[@ramesis55]

​@@chop54321Steve didn't come over with the group after they purchased WCW. But remind me again what gimmick they gave Steve when he first got to WWF?

[@chop54321]

@@ramesis55 The Ringmaster. Which he turned into Stone Cold because he was actually great. Same with guys like Jericho, Mysterio, and Benoit. Guys buried by WCW in the mid card and elevated to world champions at WWE.

[@XhoowieX]

A huge blindspot with Taker is his loyalty to Vince. He made him rich, he has his reasons, but it's impossible to take a word he says seriously if Vince is involved.

[@fupalover]

Taker is an ass kisser

[@sleepy1697]

Except when he talks about that things that piss Vince off. I fully believe those stories, but other than that yeah he's never got a bad thing to say about Vince where almost everyone else has universally agreed on a lot of Vince's bad traits.

[@piritrem2232]

It's not only that I guess. Back in the days, WCW manager, told to Mark straight to the face - no one would pay to see how you wrestle. So on my point, he may have all right to keep a grudge on them. More of that, one of most hyped WCW boys - Goldberg is actually a botch machine, which nailed Brett Hurt, which botched two times on Taker, etc. So WCW isn't the top class at all.

[@NelGill1]

I love the Undertaker. He is my favorite wrestler of all time. But Mark Calloway is a company man.

[@richoffbubba2x]

when you work for the same company for 30 years you tend to become a company man even if he means to be or not

[@user-wr3gp1uv1q]

Make Calloway is a schmuck. A massive star could debut today in the WWE from another company and be booked as the gobbledee gooker but according to Mark it's their fault

[@LembeckIsStaying]

​@@user-wr3gp1uv1q Exactly, this reeks of "git gud" logic or "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" for the old school among us. And if it was just not having what it takes and not Vince's craziness....why do we have so many podcasts and documentaries exploring this very topic?

[@LINKKART8]

​@@user-wr3gp1uv1q cry

[@russellrudolph4051]

Yeah 💯 I was just saying taker most iconic character theme song ever, but he needs to bury this take.

[@InvisibleHotdog]

And yet Vince did it anyway, HHH spent years burying WCW guys

[@sithari518]

He wasn't even over it by 2015 when he beat Sting, lmao

[@cerebralassassin2185]

Tbf triple only buried like 1 wcw guy. Even then it was vince booking it not him.

[@gymreaper1728]

C’mon taker Vince ruined so many WCW guys,they had good talent,Saturn with a mop,dean doing dumb antics,ecw he had dreamer drinking out of urinals & so much more bs.

[@chop54321]

WCW guys that held world titles in WWE: Goldberg Big Show Chris Jericho Eddie Guerrero Chris Benoit Rey Mysterio Steve Austin Booker T Mick Foley Such a dumb narrative. Jericho was refused a program with Goldberg in WCW. WWE had him beat Austin and Rock to unify the titles

[@ultraloyalservant2felineov41]

Also Ric Flair. Hhh and Undertaker (Paul L & Mark C) were terrible booked in WCW, came to WWE and they became huge.

[@jaysinleigh]

The match with Sting never happened because he watched how they treated DDP and said no thanks.

[@twondizzle8381]

Lol it was actually the line that The Rock said to Booker T that did it "Who in the blue hell are you?"

[@Chris-63096]

@@twondizzle8381I’m the WCW champion sucka!

[@JalenPrice_252]

@@Chris-63096”You’re the WCW Champion sucka?????”

[@meladgoat]

i like undertaker, but he's lying here. did he not watch triple h vs sting at wrestlemania?

[@twondizzle8381]

@@meladgoat I'll take the opinion of someone who actually did it over some randoms on social media.

[@ooh4suremaine66]

Vince really did want to destroy the WCW talent,sting knew that

[@briansmith48]

That's why Sting went to help start TNA wrestling. Double J said it on his podcast. The corporate board of Spike TV wanted Sting on the main roster or it was a no go.

[@dewayneperry8395]

Credit Stevie Ray too.He knew What Vince was up to

[@wingedhussar1453]

He wanted to continue wcw with wcw raw . But the wwf fans would not go along woth it

[@OfficialHankHill]

​@@wingedhussar1453 no he didn't 😂

[@JayIceColdD]

So did Goldberg. Why he didn't come over right away.

[@Fyrijou]

Sure, you can bring up Booker T, but he was humiliated for the longest time before he actually got his first legit push

[@aleger620]

Don’t forgot about his finisher stole from The rock 😂😂😂

[@marcus813]

I always thought WWE should've done more with him. He was massively over throughout his initial WWE run.

[@Mr.Amazing1694]

I agree , it took 5 years for Booker to get his real run. Should've been WWE champion.

[@realbdub_9236]

Booker T should have dethroned HHH at WrestleMania 19

[@williefaulker]

Yeah he skims over the whole Triple H segment. Love Undertaker love this podcast but he's being obviously biased

[@kemosabeusmc]

He's still a company man even in retirement

[@fupalover]

You mean he's still an ass kisser

[@shaquillecovington]

Let's be real having Sara pin ddp is definitely holding him down 😂

[@zackking4742]

I want to make a pun out of this comment. I just don't know how to word it properly to make it either funny or make people say "Boo you stink" because of the bad pun. 😂

[@billwebber400]

Sorry but a little Miss Sara can pin me down any night she wants❤❤

[@Just_Me187]

@@zackking4742lol let’s hear it.

[@shaquillecovington]

@@zackking4742 it can't be as bad as UT saying WCW guys weren't held back

[@Aizenborgman]

Thank you

[@spaceracer23]

Im sure Taker convinced himself this is true, but he isn't convincing anyone else.

[@concretejungle8916]

When Vince McMahon bought ECW and WCW back in the early 2000's, I told my friends that we've just witnessed the end of Wrestling Entertainment as we know and love and it's never gone be the same again. Vince went above and beyond to bury nWo, DDP, Scott Steiner, Goldberg and anyone else who he saw as competition to WWE, back when everything was separated

[@mmgvii8076]

He has a lot of fans who simp for him like he's selling bath water, so you'd be surprised lol

[@kenrickeason]

I like Taker, but he's taking up for WWE.. Nothing wrong with that, but we know it, and they know it.. Vince McMahon and his crew treated most of the WCW stars like crap..

[@jddiggy2343]

FACTS

[@jddiggy2343]

Taker doesn't even believe what he's saying.

[@Garf_malarf]

DDP got buried during his feud with taker. He was a multiple time champion and they made him debut as a creepy stalker 🤦

[@kodokumusic7602]

Let's be real DDP was never on the level of the WWE guys big names (rock , scsa , triple h , Taker , Foley )

[@mustafaniazi2917]

Its how you bring them in ..if he was brought in as a big face of wcw .. just helping the face against the corporation would have put him in the main event spot ​@kodokumusic7602

[@seraphinaaizen6278]

And he had Taker effortlessly squash him in every match they had.

[@JESK-rh1tw]

⁠​⁠@@kodokumusic7602No he wasn’t but he was above the level of Funaki and Crash Holly which is where he was by the time Taker was done with him

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

HHH drugged Vince’s daughter and married her while she was asleep. That’s worse than just being a stalker.

[@juancarlosrivera5689]

Undertaker still glazing after retirement is crazy 😂

[@Tcm2323]

Taker has always been a massive cuck for Vince since day one, legend or not he's always been a cornball

[@damiencross7334]

People who say glazing sound a bit soft. Bet you say mid too. Internet ebonics are so cool.

[@bretthomas9425]

Vince McMahon is exactly the type of person to bring someone in just to hold them down. hahaha!!!

[@anonamos6086]

The way DDP was treated was criminal. Of course Mark is gonna stick up for his good ole buddy Vince.

[@sleepy1697]

Credit to Undertaker though. Vince took care of him, now he's taking care of Vince. By lying through his teeth to make Vince look good. I love you Understaker but I know you know that's a lie.

[@toolisgod6]

Vince is petty enough to bring them in with pay, just to bury them... 100%

[@soulofanerd9364]

ABSOLUTELY

[@STAND_2GETHER]

The more WCW talent WWF had, the less potential of another company overtaking them. Vince knew exactly what he was doing

[@rayritchie8215]

Like a multi billionaire would worry about wasting money burying guys from a rival promotion. He made that money back in a short time through merchandise sales and advertising.

[@tdestroyer4780]

It's not like he was losing money in the hottest time in the companies history either.

[@Danielperez-to6vh]

Spot on! Absolutely correct, not sure of its influence or relevance to today's wrestling but new Japan pro wrestling was a major player on pro wrestling despite it being in Japan. A wrestler buried and destroyed in America carries to their rep in Japan as well, so tho wcw was out of business they still had an alternate overseas, but with Vince sabotaging them they stood little chance of a career there!

[@toneloc8064]

Lmaoooo. Yeah cuz Vince McMahon is the most logical, sane, not petty guy in wrestling history

[@MorrisseyMuse]

AEW kid by any chance..? lol

[@kenrickeason]

Someone once said WWE is the sore winner.. I agree..

[@eurirotk]

What does aew have to do with this? He's speaking facts ​@@MorrisseyMuse

[@shaunhailey1]

I love Taker to death, but the booking of the beloved DDP was criminal by Taker

[@sleepy1697]

And Sting, and Goldberg, and the entire NWO. It was so petty and pathetic on Vince's part.

[@krispykreme3176]

You can’t tell me Raven, DDP, Tazz didn’t get great reactions and then were booked into lower mid card roles for no apparent reason other than they weren’t liked by the office. Sting turned down offers for years because he was acutely aware of that fact, Tazz was smart and took a commentary role since that was the best route to success he had there

[@randomnerdery6511]

I'm not arguing that Tazz wasn't held down because he was too over on his own, but he took the commentary job because he was too injured to keep wrestling

[@ryanminks7624]

Mark can’t admit Vince made mistakes

[@qwilliams1539]

It's because he was directly involved in the burial of DDP.

[@GHMYahooka]

wonder if he knew about the poop

[@nikobellic8627]

​@@GHMYahookaheard your mom did worst for less

[@jussimattsen4583]

Booker T? The guy Triple H beat at Wrestlemania after having the biggest babyface build in a long time.

[@davidclark6694]

Bookers resume in the WWE is greater than that in WCW if you compare his drawing power. Remember WCW was on the decline when Booker was champ.

[@sj9367]

What do you mean? Triple H was wwe Talent, why would he drop a match to booker T. Its not buried its loyalty paid well.

[@Mudoh415]

@@sj9367That’s literally going against what Taker just said. Like, that’s exactly holding Booker down.

[@ericvyskocil7428]

Booker t who was a 5x world champion in wcw then had to wait 5 years till he won the whc. Vince did not maximize the potential earnings of the WCW talent that came in for years. Ddp had maybe 3-5 years left had he stayed healthy. Give him main events for half of them before he started elevating younger guys. Vince didn't use Goldberg right in 03-04 Buff was his own problem. Firing Jarrett was a mistake

[@davidclark6694]

@@ericvyskocil7428 5 time champion at the end of wcw's existence isn't as grand as during its heyday.

[@TheRealVerbalAbuser]

Undertaker is definitely on that B.S.

[@Cablev94]

I 100% believe that VINCE would 100% bring people in to fuck with them.

[@russlasky6162]

" you dont bring people in to hold then down"... Sometimes i wonder about Taker

[@goazer2]

If you actually look at what happened most of the WCW guys buried themselves. They either bailed because they didn't trust Vince or they showed that they couldn't actually succeed without the office holding them up. Basically they had to pay their dues over again and they didn't want to do it.

[@knection1986]

​@goazer2 yeah just look at AJ styles paying....oh wait. Hmm its kinda like he picks and chooses who pays the dues 🤔

[@goazer2]

@@knection1986 aj styles came from tna not wcw and he was held back for years despite being super over and when he was given pushes he often turned in lackluster matches.

[@knection1986]

@@goazer2 that was revisionist asf. Vince booked him as a multiple time world champion.

[@herculesmwp7983]

Undertaker not admitting that Vince literally had the time and money to actively keep people down and not worry about losing money is incredible. There’s an incredible amount of evidence that Vince did this. How is DDP going to get a stalker gimmick over and draw money. DDP was literally money.

[@joekuvorkian]

Exactly but nobody wants to admit undertaker is a thin blue line supporting POS

[@aic8001]

Then had Taker and Kane basically kill DDP and Kanyon at Summerslam

[@adamzullo3624]

Look some dudes could’ve gotten over as a stalker because they fit the role. Not many could’ve gotten over as an undead undertaker. The role didn’t fit DDP

[@herculesmwp7983]

@@aic8001 facts, like come on Mark don’t give me that crap

[@DarthSidian]

Mark's deluded himself into loyalty because he owes his life and career to Vince, and he's generally just a loyal person. It's a shame that he's so loyal to someone who doesn't deserve it.

[@ONEWAYLEEWAY]

I love taker but he's actually talking shite here. Vince loved nothing more to bring certain people in just to bury them.

[@chop54321]

Yeah he really buried Jericho and Austin. Those guys never accomplished anything in WWE after leaving WCW

[@Bateman48174]

Triple H was WCW. Undertaker was WCW. Rey Mysterio was WCW, Chris Benoit was WCW, Eddy Guerrero was WCW, Scott Hall was WCW, Kevin Nash Was WCW. I loved DDP but the man was old and before Yoga admitted his back was in agony at the time and most his discs in his back were bone on bone. He was on borrowed time.

[@FIYARtv]

Exactly, the whole reason he brought the nWo back was to end it himself.

[@Thetroel]

@@Bateman48174 Most people are talking about when they say get buried are the people that were with WCW till it shut down most of people you just mentioned jump ship before

[@LoskiWay]

@@Thetroelat one point they were in WCW and became bigger stars on WWE. Ray is still going strong.

[@themadviking5746]

He points to Booker because that's the only guy he could point to . Nobody got over !

[@princemjbp695]

Goldberg? Eddie Guerrero? Chris Benoit? Chris Jericho? Rey Mysterio?

[@themadviking5746]

None of those guys came over in the invasion. Goldberg was buried on his first run and he hated every sec of it . Rey joined in like 2005 , Jericho in 98 , Chris and Eddie came after him .

[@meatwad376]

@@themadviking5746rey joined in 2002

[@God-0208]

​@@themadviking5746it amazes me how much facts you're able to spit out, by all means Undertaker isn't wrong about one thing, those wcw stars were hired to make the company look good, but that's the problem they made the WWE look good, not WCW, almost everytime a WCW guy never won, they always lost, and when they did win at best it was probably on smackdown or raw, I swear these guys need to rewatch the attitude era cuz clearly they don't know a damn thing 🙄

[@themadviking5746]

@God-0208 , thank you . Booker wasn't treated well until he started talking retirement , then they hired his wife put a belt on him and gave him a short lived stable . The only other guy who anyone could point to who had success was Hurricane who had a long run with the cruiser weight title as the WWE's version of AJ Styles who was on fire in TNA . But even Shane was treated like a joke , he and Chavo were whipping boys of Horn Swoggle .

[@zell2626]

Every Invasion WCW star was buried, lets call it how it is. The Dudleys and RVD came out much better as a result

[@joshmccollen700]

The wrestling business is anything but logical. There was absolutely a vendetta against WCW stars.

[@ThunderJuice]

Reading these comments calling out Mark's BS restores my faith in the IWC.

[@sithari518]

I never knew how much I disagreed with him until he had a podcast lol

[@ofclown9458]

even a broke clock is right twice a day

[@jonnybaynham1689]

This is what makes Mavens channel better currently - more authentic. Mark really is kidding himself or repeating the corporate script

[@aldorechiasson]

He's being a mark

[@hybridagri]

He is on a lifetime legends contract what did anyone expect ?

[@DarthSidian]

I think he's genuinely deluded himself into unwavering loyalty to a scumbag like Vince because Vince basically gave him the life he knows today.

[@zellyzell1993]

Maven channel 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@Griffindore619]

Lol exactly

[@paytongunter4126]

He did bring them in to make HIS product better. He used the WCW stars to make the WWE stars look even better. Literally every big WCW star lost to the WWE star they faced

[@willbrandt4552]

Taker, you said it. I respect the hell out of you man. Vince brought them in to make HIS product better. By having his guys humiliate THOSE guys, it makes HIS product look like the major league.

[@hooskerdoo3130]

Taker isn't going to go against Daddy Vince. He was part of the biggest burial for any WCW wrestler in having DDP be his wife's stalker. Seriously?!

[@LINKKART8]

You're gay for calling another man "daddy"😂

[@user-kx2nb5ti6r]

​@@LINKKART8no you're not that bright for not understanding that he's using it in a sense of saying Vince is like their daddy

[@braddorcas9363]

Just mark not biting the hand that fed him because he's a loyal dude. We all saw vince's pettiness. Booker didn't get that WWE resume until after triple H had buried him

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

I don’t think Booker T has ever even said that HHH buried him. I think Booker was happy with his whole career

[@braddorcas9363]

@@juliandavidhoffer2022 He dosen't have to say or acknowledge it. Booker understands to not bite the hand that feeds him as they employed him for a long time and made him a lot of money in the long run. But We all saw it. He was in a fued that featured plenty of racist undertones of Hunter eluding to him being less because of his skin color. And where it would make sense for Booker to win to overcome that "oppression" at mania and right the wrong, he then lost to the racist oppressor. And did so in a damaging manner where hunter took like 20 seconds to even get over to pin him for the 3 after the finishing move making Booker look even weaker as he just laid there waiting to be pinned. The loss was very damaging to booker who came from WCW as the last world champion, to then be thrust down into this lower mid card for a long portion of time before he could build himself back up to main event. It was a text book burial.

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

@@braddorcas9363 I just find it odd for him to not bring it up yet a bunch of fans do. It would be like Bret being totally fine with the screw job but fans being mad over it.

[@soulofanerd9364]

💯 💯 💯

[@Butiguessilovememore]

​@braddorcas9363 now we have to pay the price with wwesg painfully and obviously pushing a black person in every title race in the BIG NEW ERA...that totally won't get old quick with these the NEW REVOLUTIONARY CHANGES. Botchmelo hayes gonna injure everyone he fights 😂

[@scottwolff6946]

The most company man take I've heard in a long time

[@zaryalace7475]

Undertaker has always been a company man.

[@AbominationalFailure]

You cant tell me DDP was given an honest chance. Dude was set up to be buried from the get go.

[@IAEMThatIAEM]

Undertaker verbally buried Hall and Nash as unwanted in the locker room while they were still there, and physically buried DDP and Kanyon. You KNOW undertaker was the biggest stooge for Vince in that whole company

[@ektran4205]

hall and ash were known to be cancers

[@shipwreckedpoet3]

The fans wanted the real DDP

[@sleepy1697]

And Sting... and the NWO... and so many other of the big names...

[@ektran4205]

ddp was injury prone in wwe

[@ChrisMS0815]

They let Rock bury nWo in backstage and have them stand there and not do anything about it. If that were the real nWo they would have beat his ass down on the spot.

[@ektran4205]

@@ChrisMS0815 nwo was way pat invasion

[@punk6119]

Undertaker is a legend, but hes wrong on that one. Vince clearly either didnt know how to use the WCW guys, or straight up destroyed them on the way in.

[@k1productions87]

And Undertaker flat out refused to work with DDP in any kind of equal manner. It was nothing but squash, squash, squash.

[@shawnheidingsfelder8179]

WCW didn't know how to use those guys, either. That's why they were in the position to get bought out.

[@hellguardian11]

Taker is a just assl*cking gimmick. Vince buried Top Wcw stars. Booker T, DDP and even the Icon Sting. Almost all of them were top wrestlers. Another gimmick Goldberg was the only successful wcw wrestler in wwe.

[@justinecsalengo]

Did you guys forget about Chris Jericho? Chris Benoit? Rey Mysterio? Booker T? Big Show? Even Stone Cold was a WCW guy. You might want to find a different theory for why some WCW guys didn't work in WWE.

[@k1productions87]

​@@justinecsalengo Every one of those named you mentioned (aside from Booker T, who was also shafted in the early years) had purposefully come over, were pushed down by WCW, and weren't holding out till the last minute only to be picked up at the end in the buyout. Rey Mysterio is the exception, but most of the ones who sat out the remainder of their Turner contract before coming over were treated considerably better. Flair, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Steiner, Goldberg, etc. But seriously, who among the initial buyout roster were treated well from the WCW side? The only one who was respected to any real degree was Rob Van Dam, and he was ECW. Most everyone on the WCW roster was ineffectual at best, outright jokes at worst. Yes, even Booker T. Right off the bat, The Rock essentially buried him with his first promo, and Booker never got any real advantage on anyone afterward for a good year at least. And then there's Wrestlemania XIX. Literally the only one to take a finisher, lay for a full minute of delay (which ALWAYS means they're going to kick out, while still protecting the move), and yet STILL lose in horrible anticlimactic fashion.

[@PapaBear816]

Not even DDP is going to overcome a Stalker Gimmic.

[@Alessandro-bu3dp]

Taker is the most trained out of all Vince’s children remember that.. it’s not cent

[@Bennary]

Thank you! Love Mark, definitely on my Mount Rushmore. But when it comes to anything Vince related, I tune out. He owes Vince his career and I respect his loyalty, but the man buried anyone that rubbed him the wrong way and you can’t deny it. Cody is the absolute case in point, if he never left, he’d still have been stardust til at least 2022

[@Alessandro-bu3dp]

@@Bennary taker along with Michaels are my 2 favourite wrestlers of all time but I agree 100%.. sad that wrestling has to be this type of way

[@jddiggy2343]

Then come 3H and then it's Cena and then it's the Rock. Who else is after that ??? HBK?

[@sithari518]

@@Bennary exactly, I do the same with Prichard, Bischoff, anyone Vince had touched over the years to the point where they drank his koolaide, are not to be trusted. At least Taker tries to keep it real. Unfortunately you could make the argument for Stockholm syndrome.

[@gojakla12]

Well, Vince made him who he is now and Vince is his boss.

[@allynconklin9023]

They did have some WCW wrestlers they didn't utilize. Sting being the perfect example.

[@jersydvl]

Sorry but i 100% believe WWE screwed over Sting and only used him to symbolically bury WCW.

[@ektran4205]

steve was too old when he came over too wwe

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

Mark the immortal company guy. Vince absolutely would and did spent millions just to bury guys.

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

Boy, y’all know everything huh?

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

@@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt Funny I don't see you making a counter point.

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

@@TRIIGGAVELLI oh OK I believe the man who actually worked for the company not some spectator who just having an opinion

[@TRIIGGAVELLI]

@@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt Yeah I seen you reply to everyone saying the same thing. You're just another mark.

[@Bang-bangNinersgang-hv5yt]

@@TRIIGGAVELLI oh I’m a mark because I’m standing on what I said how many years have you worked for the company? Who do you know that works inside the company as a matter of fact, have you even been to any shows how you know more than somebody who been there for 30 years y’all just get on KZbin and start running y’all mouth and don’t know shit about nothing

[@glocksNgrippers]

DDP, Sting, & Steiner were all buried.

[@rileymurray986]

and Eddie, Booker T and Chris Benoit weren't

[@rileymurray986]

and Eddie Guerrero, Chris Benoit and Booker T weren't

[@cngotham4111]

Booker t absolutely was at ome point. The rock literally said who tf is this guy. ​@rileymurray986

[@bottlewaddle6677]

and the rest of the roster!

[@ektran4205]

scott was in wwf in the 90s

[@dman9152]

How does Ddp get over as a stalker, they definitely buried him.

[@juliandavidhoffer2022]

It’s not like he was the only guy in WWF to be one though.

[@dangxdc8348]

The idea WAS to bring in WCW to attack WWF talent. DDP scoffed "Why would I stalk Sara? Have YOU seen my wife Kimberly?" You are stalking Sara to give Undertaker "the creeps" IF THAT IS EVEN POSSIBLE Get UNDER their SKIN The amazing thing is DDP's self help guru persona didn't get any merch IT's NOT A BAD THING ITs A GOOD THING - D! D! P!

[@dman9152]

@@dangxdc8348 go back to ddp wwe debut coming out on the undertakers motorbike, then unmasked gets a massive pop, then Jr on commentary that's the sicko, who has been stalking the undertaker's wife. instantly buried.

[@randomlyfactual1943]

Undertaker got over as an UNDEAD ZOMBIE MORTICIAN. The Rock got over despite the insipid Rocky Maivia character. Triple H pretended he was royalty. Eddie Guerrero was a serial cheater. Batista was a deacon for Reverend D-Von. It's about the crowd and who they react to.

[@5plus4]

​@@randomlyfactual1943nah a lot of wcw were buried 100 percent

[@intelligiblenoise6802]

The Undertaker needs to be investigated like Vince. You can't cover for Vince this hard and not have been actively involved in Vince's perverse criminal activities.

[@Doomthinkingman]

Idc what kinds legend Taker is, he sjafted DDP and every to other guy as best he could. Taker was on his Shawn Michaels timing

[@chillincharlie-qd4ok]

Undertaker would run cover for Vince no matter what and shouldn't be believed in these types of conversations.

[@ektran4205]

vince also gave mark a chance

[@DamonSlater]

DDP's first feud should have been with The Rock.

[@andrewluke1582]

I agree. People's champ vs the people's champ

[@ctakitimu]

Dunno why everyone liked DDP. I always found him unlikeable even back in WCW days. Just me I guess, each to their own

[@jk2219]

He was boring & extremely overrated

[@DamonSlater]

@@jk2219 lol nah.

[@ctakitimu]

@@jk2219 Yeah, he really was. Kinda just like someone's strong dad in wrestling

[@Black-Circle]

Lets give ddp a horrible stalker angle and have him pinned by Sara. Then lets wonder why he didn’t get over

[@MortanAMrk]

He was legit one of the only big wcw stars with booker t that accepted a buy out because they both loved wrestling and to have his kindness spat back in his face is disgusting

[@jaydendunn8180]

Stone cold and Brian pillman had a program like that and even pulled a gun and look where Stone cold is now.

[@djsav688]

@@jaydendunn8180those 2 segments were different. Ddp was stalking Sara when his wife looked 1000x better and Steve was invading pillman house to beat him up

[@declanwarrington8925]

mark let’s not pretend like it wasn’t obvious Vince buried 90% of wcw talent

[@zer0diamonds315]

It may sound stupid to Taker but this is 100% something Vince would do 😂.

[@LakeEarth]

This is just a lie. "They were stars in WCW not WWF. Ignore the giant pop DDP got when he took off his mask. Everyone was given the opportunities to get over, like when my non-wrestler wife pinned DDP clean in the ring, 1-2-3."

[@chop54321]

How did Austin and Jericho get over?? Or Guerrero?? Or Benoit? Or Mysterio? Or the countless other WCW guys that succeeded??

[@heatherphillips5983]

​@@chop54321because, idiot, they were still in the Monday night wars. None of those guys were super over in WCW, because they thought Austin was to working man, and those cruiserweights were just mid card and would never be anything else, despite having some of the best matches every week. This is talking about what Vince did to the ones who stayed until WCW sank. DDP was as over in WCW as Austin or the Rock in WWF, and Vince and his creative made sure he knew his place.

[@codex0451]

Bro, is Vince listening to this podcast to make sure you say the right things? Lol. Of course they were buried.

[@SohamBhattacharya3105]

Booker, Rey, Eddie, Goldberg, Jericho, Big Show. All of them were from WCW and all of them went on to become multiple time WWE champions.

[@jddiggy2343]

Vince is always listening.

[@Neck41]

Lets not forget what Vince did to Sting. Once he had him he had to show that he won, and he finally got WCW's biggest holdout. Instead of giving Sting the proper treatment Vince put his ego and pride over what was good for business.

[@slow71971]

200% Fact!!

[@slow71971]

Taker's been drinking that McMahon Kool aid SoooOO long he's became a Zombie!

[@joemosley4218]

Y’all are dum. By the time sting finally joined, he was so old he got hurt in the main event at a PPV against Seth Rollins. Why would you do anything but “bury” the guy? Even John Cena and Randy Orton are just used to build up the newer talent once they reached over 40 years old. WWE isn’t TNA where all the 40 year olds are main eventing small stadiums. Y’all act like Vince owes WCW guys anything, those guys were on the verge of putting him out of business at one point.

[@MrM-u3h]

@@joemosley4218 And yet AEW was able to get a lot of mileage out of an even older, post neck injury Sting because they protected him.

[@joemosley4218]

@@MrM-u3h nobody wants to see that in the big leagues. Stay in indies and smaller stuff for the older people 🙏

[@Rayen015]

There is a reason a lot of these guys were big stars before WWE and AFTER WWE. Vince actively held these guys down, and Taker can't say he didn't see it happening.

[@JonCombo]

That last line though. He wants to make his own guys look better. He already had a full roster before they all came in.

[@MrStuDubb]

It was all a vendetta. DDP was a big star and was completely buried

[@tonykumar9727]

Yeah right Mark. Let's not forget about Chris Kanyon 😅

[@mr.fantastic1854]

Exactly. This dude is 100% a company man. If he didn't pretend like this wasn't what he was doing I could at least say, "ok then" but him acting like he didn't know and take part in it is pretty god damn stupid. Especially after so many years.

[@IHateYouTube-sr1wj]

I don't think any of you actually watched Kanyons matches. Other then having cool innovative moves, he sucked.

[@tonykumar9727]

@@IHateKZbin-sr1wj That's your opinion

[@mr.fantastic1854]

@@IHateKZbin-sr1wj this doesn't have anything to do with what he was talking about. He's talking about when Taker beat the shit out of Chris Kanyon because everyone in the back found out that he was gay and he got fucked with hard.

[@jman8449]

@@IHateKZbin-sr1wjother than being good at wrestling he sucked?

[@mcnally145]

That's a lie taker lets not beat around the bush, vince didn't want any wcw wrestler getting over before his.

[@brandontankersley8107]

Exactly. Vince has always held a grudge against wrestlers that made their names without him or the guys that wouldn't abandon the promotions that they were loyal to. He's also been known to lure in people from other promotions just to bury them after they've made the switch.

[@DreamChaser1252]

Meh, Chris Jericho was the first ever undisputed champion so there's that

[@EmperorGuyver]

​@@DreamChaser1252 Go back and look at that run. It was trash. It was literally a last minute decision In Vince's own words said by Jericho himself: "Hey Taker, you know how we know the business is going down the toilet ? We're putting the belt on Jericho" Huge accomplishment with no care or even much of a run put into it

[@EmperorGuyver]

​@@DreamChaser1252 Vince has always treated talent he can't own like trash.. Look what they did to Booker T before they had no choice but to finally put the belt on him. That's why we never got Harlem Heat in WWE, Stevie Ray wasn't about the bs

[@michaelgrotz5229]

Yet Booker T, Goldberg, Big Show, Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, Chris Jericho and Shane Helms all made it. If Vince wanted to bury WCW guys none of them would have made it. Let's be honest here, if you own a promotion are you gonna favor the competition or the guys who stayed loyal to you?

[@kingofboggle954]

"You don't bring people in to hold them down you bring people in to make them better" if only events lived by that

[@edwardpaddock2528]

Vice had a LONG history of hiring people to hold them down. He would scoop the top talent from a rival company, to cripple them, and then make their big star into a joke, or just not use them at all, so all their popularity faded, and or that promotion died, and then he would cut them loose.

[@colinnixon7739]

Whats crazy is they didnt have to combine the shows at all. They could've kept them seperate.

[@daxmoney5011]

Scott Steiner may have had a lackluster WWE run. But that TNA run he had is undefeated.

[@mustafaniazi2917]

He can prove that mathematically 😊

[@Captain_Insano_nomercy]

Holler if you hear me!

[@jamesharris2621]

That Steiner math promo is a classic😅😅😅😅​@@mustafaniazi2917

[@mr.awesome6011]

And his WWE run only sucked because he was banged up pretty badly by that point.

[@harveyd3175]

A DDP /Undertaker feud all the way to Wrestlemania wouldve been huge. But Vince turned DDP is some smiling goof

[@JonathanRodriguez-hm7jp]

Mark is being a true company man.

[@MikesMoneyClass]

Booker T had the mindset he was gonna succeed no matter what. Hard to stop a guy like that

[@amunre12]

He's acting like we didn't Witness what happened to the WCW wrestlers under Vince

[@bluntamainia444]

The Undertaker is the ultimate company man. It’s just like Bruce Pritchard

[@fupalover]

He's not a company man. He's an ass kisser. Call it like it is.

[@Aizenborgman]

Hardcore Holly said in his book that Undertaker buried Diamond Dallas Page because DDP was just trying to agree with Undertaker on the moves they would do in the match and Taker didn't like that. Even Chris Kenyon said that after DDP left the company. One of the fans in the parking lot when he saw Taker shouted and said, “Taker, what do you think of DDP ?” Then Taker turned to Chris and said, “There are certain ways we do it here in the WWE, but some try to establish their own ways.” And here Chris understood that they had deliberately buried DDP .

[@Tank1711]

Kanyon was brilliant man, honestly such a shame what happened

[@sithari518]

Probably overlooked some ridiculous locker room hand shake or something so JBL and Holly sidled up to Taker's butthole and told him DDP was talking shit, etc. I wouldn't be surprised if they stirred up that shit to either gain a spot or to get entertained. Total POS.

[@PhillipCummingsUSA]

Taker burying WCW for no reason whatsoever

[@cardsfighter2]

Booker was hands down the best transport from wcw. That dude was good at every aspect of the business.

[@billwebber400]

Does that apply for STING as well??? Because all they did was bury him they could have made so much more money with him explain it to me Undertaker

[@davidclark6694]

Sting was 55 years old when he came to the wwe. Grow up

[@mr.awesome6011]

​@@davidclark6694You're telling someone who is calling out people for being petty to grow up. I'm willing to bet it's very hollow between your ears

[@davidclark6694]

@mr.awesome6011 cool comment kiddo. Try harder if you want your insults to be funny.

[@nunya3607]

@@davidclark6694 and sting had a longer wrestling career. Ric was 53 in evolution but it was cool cuz Vince and triple h liked him. Sting came into WWE how long after WCW was over and they made it all about WWE vs WCW. So if it was only about sting being 55 why make it about WCW? Why even have him face triple h at all? They could have had him go against taker probably still lose because taker at mainia and never mention WCW. Aj styles wrestled in WCW too Vince probably wasn't aware or they would have buried him too.

[@calebva4476]

Vince 100 percent attempted to bury WCW guys, what a vince glazing

[@realtalkwiththeking7862]

Damn you did DDP dirty in this. 😂

[@eazy8052]

Undertaker is the biggest WWE guy there is and no one as loyal as him and of course he would say . Everyone knows Vince had a vendetta against the WCW . I mean, they did try to put out of business.

[@dlee4236]

Taker blowing Vince til this day.

[@kckc6578]

So by this logic, Taker couldn’t cut it in WCW.

[@victorysaber1608]

The ddp story with undertaker was awful.

[@crashpal]

"I'm gonna make you famous"

[@dangxdc8348]

DDP being a bleeding optimist says "The stalker gimmick was gawd awful but still I was plotting to take out the BIGGEST DOG IN THE YARD" If DDP had his way; can one REALLY choke down Rock vs DDP in a PEOPLEs CHAMP match?

[@kitpalmer1583]

"Look at Booker T!" Exactly Mark. Look at Booker T lmao.

[@ultraali453]

Booker T became their Black Guy, same with Mysterio and Eddie. Others were not so fortunate. Few were kept, most were buried.

[@chetwilson]

Booker T was treated pretty good in WWE and was probably more memorable in WWE than in WCW

[@sooprolific]

Booker T was WCW's last champion

[@tdestroyer4780]

@@ultraali453 I thought that was Mark Henry.

[@Powergenetic]

​@@chetwilson Eh it's debatable given his level of talent. Yes he absolutely had a memorable career in WWE and fit into that world like a glove but despite that only won one world title. He was buried a few times from what I remember, never lost in the shuffle but should have been used much better imo. Not in a 'woke' way but he should have been WWE's black megastar especially considering the Rock left not too long after the invasion stuff was done. Who else was there around that time? Shelton and Mark Henry are the only ones off the top of my head and neither were ready to have that mantle but Booker certainly was.

[@mattmills97]

Taker talking like Vince didn’t legitimately bring WCW guys in and misuse them lol

[@YoshiTatsu1]

Taker is Vince’s best friend

[@CactusJack252]

A lot of WCW talent was buried from the start.

[@philmcrackinnow]

Sorry, but I don’t believe that. Did you hear the crowd when DDP took off the mask? Vince turned him into a joke.

[@lonewolf_vr]

vince was like, being a stalker and losing to undertakers then wife, will send him to the next level

[@Silent_Shadow]

Mark wouldn't do that, but Vince sure did. Vince buried people for weird reasons. Vince is a weird dude and lives in a Vince only universe.

[@TheoriginalBacchuscleric]

You know why DDP was buried, yes? It wasn't a backstage feud with Vince.

[@thehurricane6767]

He is also a creep

[@dewayneperry8395]

Which explains Why lex luger isn't in the hall of fame. Vinces pettiness

[@envoy2500]

Vince just couldn't help himself. Look at DDP. Look at Goldberg. Look at Sting! If Vince didn't make him, Vince wasn't interested in pushing him.

[@numa2k147]

Booker T had a very good career and to me that wasn't a coincidence. Talent and mindset.

[@SupDave]

it was vince wanted to destroy them. stop lying mark..

[@georgen5882]

I don’t think that was the case at all. He made stars out of many of those guys, while others faded away. Bagwell thought he was a lot better than he was, and he didn’t work. Look at Eddie and Benoit. Vince didn’t hold guys back, he pushed the guys that worked and were a draw. Not everyone is a draw. They also had absorbed a lot of talent and not all were going to make it.

[@crashpal]

​@@georgen5882 but he did have certain choices of who he wanted and who he didn't want

[@brandontankersley8107]

​@@georgen5882 Eddie and Chris jumped ship on their own. Pretty much all of the guys that were loyal to WCW were buried and thrown away out of spite.

[@bbsy1]

People keep mentioning people that went to WWE because they hated WCW, lol!

[@kevinlee9929]

@@brandontankersley8107 Thank you. People keep bringing up that weak argument. As if VKM wasn't going to book guys like that good to possibly entice others to leave WCW.

[@BBall-dq9mt]

Undertaker like DDP?

[@awesomecool3280]

He held him down

[@MrChisleblast]

I think they cool now

[@charlie4201001]

We need to have comments from ex WCW stars whether they agree with mark or not

[@KalmoK]

Dozens of shoot interviews aren't enough? Literally everyone except Booker have said the obvious, Vince really wanted to kick them down even more to make WWE look way stronger than WCW.. He is just that insane 😂

[@jamie-gy6bd]

Mcmahon buried WCW talent

[@dasdeke]

Sorry, Taker, you're wrong here. As much respect as I have for you. This is not one of those times.

[@crescentcrab]

I suppose you're an expert with all of the insights of the inner workings of the WWE. Taker's logic is sound and holds water. If he was able to make his character work post-kayfabe, then his logic checks out, sorry to point this out.

[@dasdeke]

I suppose you're an expert with all of the insights of the inner workings of the WWE as well. Sorry to point this out.

[@Michael_800]

​@@crescentcrabWhat logic are you talking about? That you wouldn't book a talent badly for the lols, or burn their credibility to push your own talent? Have you met Vince McMahon? Perhaps the most petty person in Wrestling? That no one would spent money only to book dumb shit? Again, Vince McMahon. Even when he tried to say, "if you don't draw money it's your own fault" he had to catch himself, because he knows you can only do so much when the booker gives you nothing. If you want to fault DDP for example for not overcoming his stalker gimmick and making himself into a star, ask yourself: Why was their something to overcome to begin with? Why would you send out Wrestlers you want to put over, by the dozen, wearing WCW T-Shirts, other than to make them into faceless Jobbers.

[@はなこちゃん]

To be fair even Sting was thrown under the bus

[@shyl9311]

Booker T was just lucky he didn't get drowned like the rest. He wasn't guaranteed of surviving either. Remember WrestleMania 19 ?

[@neosupreme7971]

Nah, Vince and his crew made it a point to bury most of the WCW roster.

[@timnavarrette6932]

Taker is the GOAT….Straight up FACTS!!!

[@yashparthpaikakode1105]

Taker are you serious? Vince tried to bury WCW and the talent..... Booker T was an exception.... What was the need to make Sting lose his very first match and that to at WrestleMania?

[@Rayen015]

Booker T wasn't an exception. He was just in a good enough situation that he could be buried and work bad gimmicks until he worked his way back up the card. Many from WCW didn't have that luxury.

[@yashparthpaikakode1105]

@@Rayen015 Agreed....