Why Consoles Are Going Extinct

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Since the creation of video games, no piece of hardware has been more important than the console. But with the console market in decline in recent years, what comes next?
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[@maakasuekano776]

It will be difficult to play games without a console if you’re not into pc.

[@cybi124]

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[@clementine2001]

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[@arranmc182]

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[@ClearGalaxies]

Thanks!

[@GameKnight404]

I’m actually terrified of cloud gaming taking over. It doesn’t just get rid of consoles, it’ll severely limit or even kill game preservation. Cloud gaming will allow publishers to erase any game they want from existence on a whim, games are art even if some are bad art. Even the worst of the worst deserves to be preserved, if at least as a warning.

[@Darkrezta]

@@AlluringPegasu13 not everyone is tech savy enough to know how to pirate. so yeah for a lot of people piracy is not even an option.

[@makisekurisu8594]

@@Darkrezta if video game is as profitable (for the website) I don't see why it won't happen

[@Darkrezta]

@@makisekurisu8594 for the website? the pirate website is what you mean? if they are big enough, sooner or later they will fall any way. law is at their side not pirate.

[@zelbekon]

Game preservation has had this issue for quite some time. There are lots of live service games that does not have any private servers because no one has bothered to implement them. Cloud gaming will never take over for as long as the internet in the United States has datacaps. On top of that they'd have to convince all the developers to make dumbed-down games that can be played with network latency, which for example means any title where reaction times matter are out of the picture. It's not a good proposition when you still have PCs that can run stuff locally. Cloud model also assumes that people won't get tired of the perpetual subscription model which is already becoming more and more unpopular due to costs and fragmentation.

[@MasterBroNetwork]

Not to mention that cloud gaming has extreme levels of latency when it comes to competitive gameplay + Graphical blurring due to it being streamed over Wi-Fi.

[@blackestyang7528]

"you never owned the game" marks the biggest gaslight of a self-fulfilling prophecy the industry wants to happen and remember *if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing*

[@Logboy2000]

That last line tho. So true

[@TheNumbardar128]

@@Logboy2000PC game bought on steam isn’t “owned” you mean ? PC gamers have gone ‘totally digital’ years ago ! Physical media are great collectibles but digitally bought games are also “totally yours” . PC gamers have settled with this, console gamers are still insecure about this !

[@ABizzyBYT]

@@TheNumbardar128My diagnosis is that you have Stockholm syndrome.

[@mondherbouazizi4433]

​@@TheNumbardar128 Well, things will be different when half the assets and half the conent is stored in the clouds. Basically, what youhave stored in Your device is not a full game.. it's not even something that could run on its own. That future is what worriea us. A future where, unless you are connected you *literally* can't play the game.. because most of the content is inaccessible. What you are talking about is different.. Yes, if you have all the bits that make the game on your PC, you're good to go, but what Microsoft wants is not that. Have a good day!

[@atoonontheweb]

digitally bought games arent "yours". You own a license to the game. If the publisher, for any reason, wants to revoke that license, there's nothing you can do about it.

[@Ak-js7lo]

A era of gaming where you can’t really own ur games and its a month to month subscription horrifying

[@tangdynasty4735]

You're no longer owning as soon it's no longer Offline

[@MrSpiritstealer]

That’s exactly the reason why I don’t participate in the monthly subscription service. For me in particular too, it’s just throwing money away, I see zero benefit with game pass with others think it’s so great and encourage other spending their money on it.

[@UnwokeGames]

Indeed, it's not for me.

[@joelgutierrez2883]

I get physical copy

[@t3chfx13]

@@MrSpiritstealer I mean most people aren't replaying games that aren't multiplayer titles so it makes sense why it works for so many people. Like for me personally I haven't replayed a SP game in the last 21 years so a service like Game Pass simply makes more sense then paying $60-$70.

[@Reinvntngurxit]

The issue with this entire concept is that cloud gaming is dependent on insane Internet speeds, low latency, zero wifi connectivity (how many of your friends' consoles are hardwired?), and yet even after all of this, you STILL need hardware that can handle these things... Saying things like "TVs and Phones can do the same"... No, they can't. There's only a handful of phones in the world that can properly use cloud gaming technology as it is -- and something lost in this scenario is the amount of people in this countries notes (India, China) are *low end android phones*... if these truly are the targets for Microsoft, they are sorely mistaken. Gaming in "hardware that you already own" is not only foolish, but impossible: I have a 4 year old Sharp TV with a built-in Roku and it can hardly run the Netflix app My buddy's Samsung's TV can barely run a web browser for streaming video Apple TVs do not come with a high end GPU to do anything other than 4k streaming Nintendo and Steam have figured it out with the handhelds-with-console-capability thing, and that's awesome, but guess what? It's still dedicated hardware

[@TheDawnofVanlife]

My TV is litterally hooked to a computer. I can sit on my couch and game as easily as I could a console. While I don’t think cloud gaming will take off anytime soon, the ease of having a computer combo with a TV makes computer a fairly flexible and open choice for gaming in the same comfort as a console. And this is because the line between computer monitor and TV is basically disappearing as they use the same cables to receive from any “box” you want (computer, streaming box, console, etc). No longer making computer gaming something you have to do locked to a computer chair and a desk. That being said, digital games you download to a device, for the most part, don’t care what you play them on! Does it matter if I download a gamepass game from a computer box or Xbox if in both cases I did it on a box hooked to my living room TV and then played it with a controller from the comfort of my couch? I had the same experience rather I use Xbox’s box or not. That being said, I think the flexible handheld (Steamdeck, Legion G0, ROG Ally, switch 2?) will be the next gen of the “console” war. As phones will always be limited in what they can play cause they are mobile phones first. So for on the go powerhouse gaming, something less complex than a gaming laptop but not requiring a monitor/TV will remain popular for a while. Especially if said handhelds can then connect to your TV to seamlessly continue playing (cause it too can do so through they same cables everyone else is using) then that is going to be a valuable experience moving into the future. Its telling the ROG Ally, Legion GO, and SteamDeck are basically handheld gaming computers.

[@system11yt]

The day I can't buy a console and a physical piece of media is when I just start working through my 30+ year backlog.

[@Tehios]

I had the same thought 😅

[@AGamersWorld1993]

Just pirate games.

[@Benjamin.Jamin.]

Frankly. Switch for family fun. PC for proper gaming and phone for wasting time on the bus. I admit I don't care about physical media on PC or phone. For some reason I like to have the switch carts though.

[@archive8080]

I'm already doing that.

[@HeldIntegral]

No it isn't. You're addicted 😂

[@mal9369]

The only real concern I have with the move from physical to totally digital gaming is the issue of ownership. The nice thing about my ps2 is all of the games that I bought I still have. But with all your games in the cloud, no matter how much money you pay, they could be taken away from you at any point for any reason and there's nothing you can do about it. I want to own my games, not rent them

[@kingsleyjackson8287]

Fax

[@julianjuez]

Agree 100%... but is it because I'm 48 year old? My 19 year old son plays on PC only (even though he has an XBOX 360 and an XBOX One) and he doesn't care about physical media. To be honest, I only listen to Spotify and KZbin. I stopped buying music long ago... I'm afraid of an all-digital future because I love collecting physical Switch games.

[@whatthesquid]

@@julianjuezwell im 15 and im really scared for that too lol

[@Mropinionated3]

Nah what’s scary is digital MONEY vs CASH for literally the same reason

[@BlackPando1]

that's true but honestly digital gaming is really one of the best things to happen in gaming, because is way easier on casual gamers who just want to hop in a game once in a while to have a carefree easy experience because just like books you can only enjoy like 50% of your entire collection and the other 50% is just profit waiting to be made, the problem isn't digital media in my opinion the problem is that digital media cost the same amount as physical media sometimes even more which is just disgusting

[@JAYJAYBEBE]

Consoles are going extinct? Tell that to Nintendo... The Switch is fastest selling console of all time. The PS2 has sold more units but it was available for 13 years (The Switch has only been available for 7). If we compare sales only over a 7 period scale, The Switch comes out on top.

[@user-bf4gf5gv5n]

Ps5 spellings better then ps2 too

[@kokonutmusic]

dvd player

[@Darth001]

Loads of switch games though are having cloud play on the cartridge or making you download extra games that were not included on cart but was sold as a multi game card like ffx/ffx2 for instance you have to download X2 only X on the cartridge. It's a shame Nintendo won't do bigger carts than 64gb

[@gwimbly519]

The mental gymnastics you had to go through to say the switch is not a home console are impressive gotta admit

[@davidc1878]

There seems to be a lot of mental gymnastics in this video and I have only watched the first few minutes. The 'history' presented in the opening is, well, let's just say 'interesting.' I am unfamiliar with this channel... is it a Nintendo fanboi channel or something? Anyway, not watching the rest.

[@fpsgamer5546]

​@@davidc1878yes

[@lemurdinner]

Thanks. I was looking for a tldr comment, but I know I don't even have to watch it.

[@mightysquish3492]

i mean......technically theyre just pcs with a custom rom unless your an idiot its pretty obvious lol pcs are the future and the only reason nintendo is excluded from this is due to the the fact Satoru Iwata (an ex game developer) then ceo of nintendo saw xbox/ps/pc all chasing power and basically converging at the same point and veered hard left basically which is why no one sees nintendo as competition for xbox/ps.......theyre just in the corner eating glue but also making some fun games pc is bigger and better the graphics cards, the processors, the ram , everything is better and due to this ps/xbox WILL be exclusively pc and its not about IF its about WHEN and there is absolutely nothing you can do to stop it even nintendo will succumb and yes while they may take longer to do so there is no stopping this future sucks to be a fanboy hahahahahaha

[@bmqww223]

you I think its better to see consoles die eventually... I thought existence of it lowered the cost of hardware but it doesnt for some reason.... I am glad to see that everyone sees the writing in the wall and ditch console for good... the idea of console never made sense in first place ... youre paying for the silicon only for gaming where you could have used it to browse internet , write code, edit videos, and everything .... Pc gaming winning is the best possible outcome where everyoe can play together and there wont be any exclusive to gatekeeping good games or holding it out on each other caused by toxic console bitches.

[@maxwelllittle5291]

The law needs to catch up quickly to protect consumers - we are getting to the point where people do not own the game, their game data or even their privacy.

[@kdallas2007]

I think people just need to get used to gaming as a service, it's not going away -- but buying software outright is, whether it be apps/SaaS, games etc. From that, it naturally follows that the models around privacy and your game data evolve -- you don't take anything with you, so you don't "own" anything. On the plus-side I think we'll see an unprecedented convergence of platform availability in the tech so you can play the same titles on the go or in your lounge with pretty much the same experience, with only bandwidth being the primary limiting factor right now. The future of consumer computing generally is going back to thin clients!

[@MrBashem]

@@kdallas2007 You are just accepting owning nothing mindset it seems. That is why the laws need to catch up to protect us from people who are happy owning nothing.

[@fusionid6647]

@@MrBashem but its true, not that i agree with that conspiritorial sentiment but its fuckin expenisve to develop software as is, buying out right isnt sustainable for small apps and businesses, what makes you think its sustainable for games that you purchase for an uninflation ajdusted 60$ when they cost literal millions to make a triple a title. Thats why every game studio now has a microtransaction cashcow because they need reocurring revenue to keep up basic rnd/development costs and salaries for their heavily abused devs. i think the dude has the right , but if you think "the law" is going to help you when america has failed to protect its citizens from facebook which stole your privacy in one way and another but used it to create military coups and meddle with elections is going to help you, then we are fucked. just capitalism doin its thing dawg- and dont think im supporting this too, i hate how unsustainable software as a medium is let alone when bitches like nintendo ruin everything with "nintendo online"

[@James-nv5st]

"you'll own nothing and be happy"

[@philiplowcock1004]

This is bad in many ways. It gives the monopolies more power over us. It will be sold to children and fools as a great step forward and then used to carry out social engineering globally for the highest bidder.

[@majoraslayer64]

Cloud gaming is the death of what gaming is to me. Young and future generations may find joy in it, and I understand as I get older I'm less the target audience than those younger generations. It's still sad for my generation to watch something we've loved die. Collecting and owning games you love is something that ties you to the hobby and community because what you collect on your gaming journey feels like a part of you.

[@GTRNights]

Also, back in the day, games shipped on media and you had to go to a store to buy them. So the quality of the game had to be at the top. These days, they ship half-made games and just say "well we will patch it later" or just leave it up to the mod community to fix. Digital gaming has been a plague and allowed developers to create dogshit code as everyone just wants to rush to get the game to market. They can afford to have a shit launch and then just fix it later.

[@vikkran401]

I grew up in the transition era between physically owned games and cloud games. But I always make sure to burn any game onto a disc or flashdrive in its raw state so if my ownership of it were to ever be confiscated, I'll be safe knowing I can still play the game, without a couple of tweaks at-least. That works on PC at-least, not sure if its possible on consoles

[@sergeilunev2244]

To a person who wasn't into consoles, and was mostly about PC, I don't see consoles dying to be anything but positive - hardware tech that is so "self-isolated" and so focused on just gaming was a good idea in the past, but it is very much pointless now. A PC or a phone can give you that already, without losing everything else it has. Consoles rn are doing so many bad things to gaming, trying to claw its way out of the hole they've lead themselves into it is painful to watch. The idea that Sony pushed to isolate its playerbase away from Xboxes playerbase is just idiotic, and a perfect example how a company can, and will pursue harming business practices, even if it objectively harms players and the company itself more, just because it doesn't want to feel "suspended in the air on stilts". I've heard of many bad practices applied from both Sony and Nintendo, I don't feel sorry for them - they definitely saw that coming, yet just kept digging themselves deeper and deeper.

[@Stigma536]

"Those who don't adapt, die out" -Some Wise Man

[@0700083edu]

I understand that feeling. I still have my Game Boy Color, PS1, PS2 games and many DVDs for Windows XP. They don't do much nowadays. My current library and that of two previous generations is on Steam, with more than 100 games. And from Steam to cloud service, I honestly don't see much of a difference. If a meteor hits or a nuclear war happens, we would probably lose the Steam library anyway. Cloud gaming (without a library) may be a safer option, as long as we can store our save game locally. Anything phisical degenerates with time.

[@RobertDunn310]

As long as most of the world is still without reliable high-speed internet, including the United states, where our internet is not only fragmented but also fraught with data caps, then I don't see offline gaming going anywhere soon

[@rgm4646]

i agree. We arent even close to cloud only gaming

[@LandersWorkshop]

​ @rgm4646 Just as well, it's a big deal with the 'you'll own nothing and be happy' crowd.

[@leonardocamposvazquez529]

I live in Mexico, my internet its fast, I own a PC gamer that I build, there I play a lot of games, but I have game pass too and I also play games on cloud, through my TV Samsung that have the xbox app, AND its compatible with wireless xbox controller. I prefer play in My TV with games on the cloud that in My pc, for convenience

[@RobertDunn310]

@@leonardocamposvazquez529 Awesome. Good that you have fast internet. Carlos Slim must have installed very chingón internet connection in your area. I like to play emulators while eating tacos al pastor.

[@LandersWorkshop]

@@leonardocamposvazquez529 Ok little Leon.

[@WhiskeyNixon]

First, the Switch is a console. Handhelds are consoles. Portability does not define a console. I've been playing games since the Commodore 64, and the newest gaming systems I own are a Switch, Xbox One, and a gaming PC. The Wii U is my second most favorite system of all time, behind my 3DS. I still play both. What sets both of these consoles apart from the rest was their unique interfaces and the unique possibilities for play those interfaces offered. I believe consoles will exist so long as Nintendo exists. The other companies may leave the console space to seek profits from known quantities and existing technologies, but Nintendo uniquely believes the greatest value comes from innovation and presenting new ways to play. A company can't create new ways to play when it relies on interfaces that already exist, a necessity of cloud distribution. I believe Nintendo recently re-emphasized this in a recent earnings call, they said something like, we believe creating hardware to play our software is the best course forward.

[@Raducu2oo5]

It's crazy how you need constant updates and internet connection to play games nowadays anyway... It's sad

[@spirit_green]

This is why I'm retro gaming. Its the biggest middle finger you can give to these companies today by playing old stuff on old hardware.

[@jc_malone8217]

Thank You! As a rural person, with a sketchy connection, I totally agree with that.

[@spirit_green]

@@jc_malone8217 I'm not even a rural person with a sketchy connection and I'm pretty much playing 5th gen 6th gen and 7th gen consoles. I have no care for any of these new consoles. Modern gaming to me is a joke.

[@sushi_wolf]

Bro get yourself an emulation machine and about 1tb of older games. Move on and don’t buy any new ones until stuff changes and if it doesn’t it’s been a good run. I refuse to buy games anymore I don’t care how cool they look.

[@sushi_wolf]

@@jc_malone8217 emulation is amazing, my internet is short but there are so many great single player games, thousands of them most of us didn’t get to play growing up, forget the bs sushi squad games they’re pushing out, go play the games that made gaming great. You can get in with like a vita but I recommend any newer pc handheld a 1tb silicon power sd so for about 300 for a used lcd deck and 50 for the sd and you’re rolling.

[@atimholt]

“The Switch isn't a console, because reasons.” I really didn't get that part of the video. At all. Like, you didn’t say it, but are we supposed to agree that a portable console isn’t a console, or something? You know a *ton*, and I mean a TON of people (myself included) play the Switch almost exclusively in docked mode, right?

[@danissary]

The whole video is built around this insane premise that Microsoft, who is definitely the least successful gaming company between the three manufacturers, somehow knows what the future of the industry is like better like than its competitors who are just slow to catch up. Everyone knows the real reason for Microsoft's abandonment of consoles is due to the consumer abandoning their specific console first. Nintendo Switch is a full-fledged console, whose major exclusives are outselling basically every game on the market that's not FIFA or COD, but to acknowledge that would mean having to acknowledge there's not one but two successful console manufacturers, really leaving only Microsoft as the odd one out. That doesn't really help in trying to gaslight people into believing that consoles are on the way out and that Microsoft is the genius company who is seeing it before everyone else.

[@mentalchild360]

A game console by definition is a computer device that plugs into a display to output video and audio in order to play games. The Switch meets that definition but just does so with extra perks. Saying that Nintendo exited the console market is complete bs. Overall the video just seems to kick Nintendo out the picture, point the nono finger at Sony, and praise Microsoft for losing?

[@ameteuraspirant]

Yeah, I can see where he's going with the argument, but we're not even close to seeing the last gasps of consoles. Cloud streaming is a cool new tech, but technology and specifically internet infrastructure is nowhere near the point that it could ever act as a replacement for a locally run game, and it won't be for a while.

[@lachlanB323]

Because it does console specific things. Local play with exclusive games aka nintendo games. PS5 has 2 exclusive single player games. PS5 is just a prebuilt PC without the thousands of advantages of PC and Playstation takes a loan and profits from game sales being way overpriced on console.

[@HumorousLOL]

@@danissary Microsoft literally lost the console war, so now they are trying to end consoles just because they can't build one people want. They are trash as a company, trying to push anti consumer practices on everyone. They need to go away.

[@IndirectHydrox]

How is Switch not a console? I can dock it, put a cartridge in it, and use a controller (not the Joycons) to play it on my TV. Kinda like...a...wait for it... * * * A console.

[@tommysixrings6026]

Can you play a PS5 in a car? No? How about a Xbox Series console? No? Right. A Switch is a handheld at it's core and is limited hardware wise just like a handheld. You can put a cartridge in a DS, 3DS, Vita, Gameboy, Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance, a PSP, a frickin Gemegear. All handhelds. Being able to use a cartridge doesn't determine if it's a console or a handheld lol. (You can use controllers and a PSP and a Vita as well and also display them to a TV.)

[@truemono02]

​@@tommysixrings6026you actually can 😂 some guy put his ps5 in his car and played spiderman 2

[@The-Anti]

The psp also does that I remember playing it handheld and on the tv (midnight club was fire miss that series) so yeah the switch is def a handheld

[@asd-ge9lp]

You can do everything you did say with smartphones too.

[@Brian-wf9xy]

I personally don't believe cloud gaming will ever fully replace gaming on native hardware. I think cloud gaming will be a meaningful extension of the console or PC experience, but to say we're about to willingly play next gen games on our small phone screens instead of a large TV or monitor with all the visual bells and whistles, offline, and with no compromises is just not what I see happening. There will always be a place for gaming hardware.

[@davidaitken8503]

You can display your cell phone display on your TV.

[@PomuLeafEveryday]

Or since our TVs are now Smart TVs, just stream the games directly to your TV. Why even have a console?

[@Brian-wf9xy]

@@PomuLeafEveryday You missed the point about offline and with no visual or latency compromises.

[@davidaitken8503]

@@PomuLeafEveryday Streaming games suck because even in a best case scenario there will still be latency between the time you push a button, the remote hardware receives the command, and the time it takes for the hardware to update the visuals on your screen.

[@Brian-wf9xy]

@@davidaitken8503 Exactly. That all being the case, I see cloud gaming as a flexible, secondary way to play certain kinds of games while traveling or for short bursts where reaction time or visual quality aren't too important. I'll never choose to play Elden Ring or God of War, for example, where both those things would have a negative impact on my enjoyment.

[@eepupm1]

if digital only is the future then ill happily stick to my past

[@motodanny3972]

That's the kicker. That's why they always say it years away because no one wants it now, probably never will but it's a mental thing once you hear it enough you'll eventually start to believe it. At least that's what their hoping. If it's a huge flopping money pit they'll just spit out more hardware, keep talking and try again in a decade.

[@alvallac2171]

*If *future, then *I'll *past.

[@onewingedgamer96]

What I worry about is preservation and ownership of video games.

[@dannylifted9441]

Really dude that shit died in the music industry a long time ago. Do I miss the good ol days of having a cassettes and cd's of my favorite music? Yeah. Are they ever coming back? No. Is it because the music industry is evil? Not really, if it were up to them they'd still be selling us cd's and cassette tapes.

[@evdestroy4121]

@@dannylifted9441 music is not the same as videogames.

[@offensivearch]

@@dannylifted9441 Except we have mp3s. You can stick your DRM-free mp3 on your usb drive: there is your physical ownership. It's actually a far better form of physical ownership than owning casettes and cds, it's physical+digital ownership. This is what should have happened to gaming, but didn't. The only games that have this are the few DRM-free PC games that exist

[@sushi_wolf]

@@evdestroy4121 50/50

[@clintgolub1751]

Same

[@luigi16852]

Saying the Switch isn't a console just because you know it's success completely dismisses your entire argument

[@SmuggumsMcGee]

My thoughts exactly. Just because it's portable doesn't make it a non-console.

[@NOCLICKBAITISWEAR]

That Nintendo Switch take was EGREGIOUS!

[@thingsiplay]

Reminds me the conversation why PCs getting extinct because Tablets. Or why we don't need handhelds anymore, because of Smartphones. Consoles are here to stay.

[@ConcavePgons]

As long as there are people not willing to deal with the technical issues that can arise from gaming on PC, consoles will still have a place in the market. EDIT: This may only apply to modern Triple A games, though. Indie/low-end games are sometimes easier to run on a PC (and sometimes it's the only way to play them).

[@rewpertcone8243]

​@@ConcavePgonsthe price of pcs is the main factor

[@Bargate]

@@rewpertcone8243 Especially with how greedy AMD and Nvidia are getting I have actually seen people go back to consoles once they realised a decent gpu that will last the next 3-4 years is like 500 dollars and up now. I remember when the 1060 back in 2016 would last you 4 years for $250 bucks... That's just the GPU if you want a modern motherboard platform and ram with AM5 it's even worse. I still love PC from the days when I got into Desktops in 2013 but I hate the feeling that only the rich on PC will get to play the modern releases every year at this rate.

[@UltimateGattai]

​@@BargateI love my pc, but I'm holding onto that 1080ti. I bought the water cooled version for $1200, if I wanted a 4090,it's $3500 for most cards. I cannot fathom how anyone could willingly pay that much, I refuse.

[@alaskanmalamute101]

ive got a 4000 series nvidia based pc and a PS5 happy with both no doubt ill be getting a PS6 in 2027 the fact that every user is using the same hardware is a major advantage for the game developer and the gaming consumer you get dedicated software to the hardware and you also get the hardware at a much cheaper price tbh i feel like the PC is the one that will die once die shrinks come to an end after 2-3nm. Think how much a 2nm 7090 is gonna cost lol top end PC gonna be 10grand by 2030

[@landengoodner9841]

The Wii u might have failed but it still had many great games. I had many many great memories with it. The Wii u technology made way for the switch as well.

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

Especially Splatoon

[@DeadStawker]

Man Wii U had some kickers

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

@DeadStawker I had so many good memories with the Nintendo Wii-U back then, and it was awesome! I had a goddamm blast with the Nintendo Wii-U and their games (such as New Super Mario Bros-U, Nintendoland, Epic Mickey 2, Super Mario 3d World, Pikmin 3, Rayman Legends, Skylanders Trap Team-Imaginators, Splatoon, Yoshi's Wooly World, and Super Smash Bros Wii-U)! But sadly though, around October 2018, I sold my Nintendo Wii-U for Xbox One X.

[@fositz1358]

All true

[@MrRoundthetwist]

WiiU is ♥️

[@toekneemart5597]

Literally had an internet outage from 6 pm yesterday to 1 pm today and my console was a great companion but cloud it any other internet based gaming would have been impossible so forgive me for being reluctant to believe that this is really the future when stuff like this is not uncommon

[@educateyourself3872]

I don’t want to pay for all the games I won’t play, only the games I will play… and I want to have them in my possession, physically forever.

[@mightysquish3492]

so......no emulation? what if forever game deteriorates and just stops working?

[@educateyourself3872]

​​⁠ good point, digital copies are ok because they can’t be taken away, but I’m not for streaming as the main vending. I believe there is a higher probability of losing access to a streaming collection if whatever service that is hosting it goes out of business or changes the policy… or anything like that than the physical media actually deteriorating in my lifetime. Additionally, the physical media is transferable to friends and family without any oversight but the streaming version of that relies on the good graces of the company to do so… unless you want to give someone your account if it’s allowed and then it’s an all or nothing situation. Basically I believe it’s important to recognize that certain rights and privileges are lost going to streaming. These companies all want people to not own anything and to pay for access so that we all pay more over the long run and don’t own anything and can’t give it to anyone. We give up a certain amount of control doing that.

[@educateyourself3872]

I also forgot about the used game market. It’s great to buy a used disc for 20% of the original price.

[@curtisghall]

The problem with cloud gaming is it bad input lag, which i don't see ever being resolve, streaming always has the latency issues

[@Succer]

Exactly. Especially competitive games. Who would ever play a fighting game through the cloud?

[@dieglhix]

cloud gaming is a fad. Think of "thin PC's (they died)". CPUs will have really powerful Integrated Graphics Processors and people won't spend much on powerful PC's.@@Succer

[@davidmhh9977]

Hypothetically, even if broadband gets to the point where the issue is negligible, game distributers would have to wait for internet servicers to distribute this, and for it to be adopted by the masses globally. It's basically putting the ball in the court of an industry with no real horse in the dog fight. For the foreseeable future, it's going to be a lot easier for gaming companies to just assemble their own hardware and distribute it.

[@ZA1lego]

East fix, but I'm not say I g anything else lol, ​@@Succer

[@Succer]

@@ZA1lego What?

[@Dewelwield1010]

Just a friendly reminder that people have been saying this since 2006.

[@dogsbecute]

"Nintendo should just do a sega and leave the console wars. THe gamecube sold like garbage! What the fuck is a wii? THe graphics are ASS!! Just become a third party studio like sega did and put your games on playstation and xbox! imagine mario with xbox graphics!?!?!?" - Most people in 2005 when the 360 got announced.

[@stpedro-ht9ng]

@@dogsbecute this is all just imagined in your head. no one said this around the time. i was there so i remember

[@user-fd3hd3yy3x]

@@stpedro-ht9ng Oh they said it 100%. I remember the shitstorm around windwaker. Fucking hell.

[@sirsquid577]

​@@user-fd3hd3yy3x huh that's news to me

[@mdjey2]

So true.

[@NanoGamingGamer]

This is some egregious historical revisionism, absolutely insane.

[@PotMcBlox]

To be fair, the Wii U was rlly cool and had a great idea going for it, they just could have executed it better

[@canonsprite]

The consumers are part of the problem. We have literally accepted every bad practice in the industry and the only thing we had to do was not buy them and keep playing the good games we have. It's too late now, we all dug this Industries grave together. It needs another crash if we want genuine products again.

[@TropaSoy_]

The consumers are npc's thats why their called consumers

[@visionhawk4403]

I hate to say it, but you're right. We've tolerated too much crap. Games used to have to be perfect before they came out because they couldn't be updated. Now they just release some slop and hope to patch it later, and we keep buying it because the move away from physical media has made us dependent on it.

[@RARufus]

The move to digital is due to convenience, period. It’s much, much less friction to go onto the online store, but and download the game. Physical media has many more friction points. I’m a fan of physical media, but more and more games are going digital only so folks need to get used to it. I’ve struggled to buy digital when a physical option exists, but more and more games also require an online connection for various reasons. I hate having to be online to play but there is no putting the genie back in the bottle.

[@alfjones6377]

i quit playing games. That is how i rebelled. What did War games say"the best way to win is not to play." Corpos are evil, and i will not let them control my soul, forcing players to pick pronouns in starfield? no way bruh. I am learning languages now and fixing to travel the world, and far from western culture too. There is plenty of life to enjoy. May we all discover it.

[@Demobot1]

I look at it the other way. I think being able to play any game on any piece of hardware at anytime is glorious.

[@SaigonBrit]

I have had a Switch since 2017 and it is docked as a console 95%+. The Switch exhibits all the other criteria of a console in that it has exclusive games, is generational and appeals to a specific market sector. In every possible way it is a console.

[@Pirana31]

is the switch still worth it for exclusive games and couch co op ?

[@SaigonBrit]

@@Pirana31 Excl Games yes definitely.

[@PamonhasDePiracicaba]

Yes but the Switch completely demolishes this video’s argument so it doesn’t count.

[@SaigonBrit]

@@PamonhasDePiracicaba Indeed. Although he makes some good individual points the premise of this video is deeply flawed. Particularly when he says that the console market is dying. This is simply not true. Even if we exclude the Switch completely the last two Playstations did exceedingly well with PS5 currently outselling PS4 at the same point in its lifecycle and fiscal 2023/24 being the most profitable year ever for both Nintendo and Playstation. Only xbox supports his theory and they account for less than 20% of the console market.

[@FS-zt6tm]

I feel like these handheld PC's are the future. The ones with keyboards make for great all-in-one gaming/productivity devices. Docking to an eGPU basically makes these handhelds into full fledged gaming consoles/PC's and still capable of playing games on the go (albeit at lower graphical settings but with each iteration, these APU's are steadily increasing in power/performance)

[@Telmarine55]

You can discount the Switch as a 9th gen console if you wish, but that doesn’t take away the fact that they are eating XBox’s lunch. Failure to admit that will only continue Microsoft’s path to self destruction. This is an especially bad take on Nintendo. It’s the world’s first home console with full handheld capabilities. If that’s not a 9th gen innovation then I don’t know what is.

[@asherwiggin6456]

I'm scared of an all-digital game library. I prefer physical media. Furthermore, I also hate any subscription service.

[@cfltheman]

It's actually worse than movies and shows being all digital since the games cost more and you lose it if they decide to remove them. Also it will be could be harder to pirate them.

[@bluebaron6811]

@@cfltheman remember when there was a built in feature on TVs that just let you record shows and movies for later and preserve them? No I don't, cuz I was born too late to see that.

[@lucemiserlohn]

Very based opinion.

[@asherwiggin6456]

@@lucemiserlohn am I wrong?

[@lucemiserlohn]

@@asherwiggin6456 No, that means I totally agree.

[@elsoplon191]

People are tired of subscription services though. The consumer seems to be more oriented towards ownership again. What is the use of a library of 500 games I am paying 10 dollars a month for when I realistically play 3-5 of that and can potentially never replay them once the get removed. The cloud/subscribtion model just doesn’t work for gaming.

[@danissary]

Exactly. The limiting factor for a lot of people is time, not money. Not to mention that the majority of big games every year are still from third party publishers and will thus never be on a subscription day one. So you'll have to wait until they finally land on that subscription, if ever, and at that point you probably could've gotten it on sale for a price not too far removed from what a monthly sub costs. Games these days are far longer and can sometimes take weeks or months to get through, and that's not even looking at live service games. It's a solution to a problem that existed in the PS2/Xbox and PS3/360 era when games were 12 hours long and barely ever went on sale.

[@crystalwater505]

I'm sorry but I don't think you're correct about the consumer being oriented towards ownership. Newer and younger generations pretty much see gaming and media as disposable entertainment, and they don't care about ownership at all. The people that care about ownership are in their mid to late 30s and up, aka us older folks.

[@cjsnowdon]

Steve Jobs (very ahead of his time I think we can agree), once said people don't want to rent music when he launched iTunes, they want to own the songs they love (Ive always wondered if he believed that - truthfully) Apple now sell a Spotify type service (and I bet its Apple Musics biggest money generator) Its naive not to think as games as media, and it won't follow Music and Film Media is heading online, and when the companies say this is the only way you can play it, thats the way people will play it, with grumbles yes, but only for a few years (realistically more like months), then it becomes the routine (people won't even give it a second thought) Firms like Bestbuy don't sell DVDs and Blu-rays now in store, so when mainstream companies take a stance like that, the people in the mainstream follow suit. There will be ways for diehards who still want to buy a hardcopy to do so, but it becomes niche and more expensive (hardly the way to draw the mainstream back). Disney is stopping making physical media in some parts of the world (DVDs and Blurays - Aussie from memory - might be wrong) I hear what you are saying, but there were probably cave men who grumbled about wooden huts being built etc, its called progress (and I don't wanna go back to living in caves) The gaming industry is young, its making its bow on line way earlier in its history than Newspapers, Magazines, Music, Film etc

[@richardhunter9779]

@@crystalwater505 Aka the people with money and authority over children.

[@crystalwater505]

@@richardhunter9779 What? This is younger people in general, even middle to lower middle see entertainment as disposable. They don't care about owning it.

[@TJ347]

I remember my Atari 2600 and am blown away by how far video game graphics have come. That said, since the PlayStation 2, I haven't owned a console or played any games. I do occasionally watch gameplay videos online and enjoy it a great deal, but I can't imagine ever buying a console again or playing anything beyond a crossword puzzle game or such.

[@makemyday3495]

i love how time keeps going no matter how many times we cry

[@Chase_Crawford]

I tried both Stadia and Shadow for over a year and even with gigabit ethernet connection they were inconsistent at best. The fact that both no longer exist says it all. Cloud gaming may be the future, but it's not here yet.

[@alyasVictorio]

The only cloud gaming left as of today is Xbox Gamepass, and somebody who tried to replicate it but still failed tho-

[@ralphwarom2514]

Cliud gaming can't really be better than local rendering. The laws of physics aren't changing any time soon. But for strategy games and slow games, definitely cloud gaming works.

[@ralphwarom2514]

Cliud gaming can't really be better than local rendering. The laws of physics aren't changing any time soon. But for strategy games and slow games, definitely cloud gaming works.

[@ralphwarom2514]

Cliud gaming can't really be better than local rendering. The laws of physics aren't changing any time soon. But for strategy games and slow games, definitely cloud gaming works.

[@ralphwarom2514]

Cliud gaming can't really be better than local rendering. The laws of physics aren't changing any time soon. But for strategy games and slow games, definitely cloud gaming works.

[@aceplayer500]

The great thing with consoles is reliability. If we only have cloud games, what if the servers are offline or someone's router breaks? No problem for a device running games natively. Discs are also good because it gives you complete ownership of your copy (like the legacy minecraft console edition). Phones will never replace consoles just like they cant replace large cinematic cameras used to film movies, because while phones are advancing, so are consoles and cinematic cameras. Plus, if its only the flagship that can play games, everyone with a midrange phone still would need a console.

[@user-og6hl6lv7p]

That'll be true up until the day they add a system update that requires your console to always be online in order to play games. I'm sure people can find a hack that will disable it, but at that point you might as well switch to PC since you'll most likely need one in order to hack your console anyway lol.

[@aceplayer500]

@user-og6hl6lv7p it's already a problem for game pass users, but they don't own the games so I guess it's for anti piracy

[@josephcox2201]

​@user-og6hl6lv7p that won't happen xbox tried that and see were that got them

[@Abauto84]

I agree

[@michaeldeanleonardo4621]

The truth is, your stupid consoles will never replace a PC. You Console fan boys only helped corporate greed. The price of games got jacked up, you had to buy multiple consoles to play due to Exclusives and then you had to get a new console when it came out to play the new games. I played games on a PC before ANY console was made. I could simple upgrade my PC for the next gen games and they were always cheaper. Now you people falling for the scam have made ALL games more expensive.

[@makmakg242]

If these consoles want to live forever and prolong their existence, here's one: Backwards Compatibility to past console generations. Imagine if you can straight up play PS1, PS2, or PS3 games onto the PS6 with additional options such as fixed antialiasing for example. It will be mindblowing and rewarding for longtime Playstation fans who are always loyal to their console products since the PS1's inception.

[@huhwah5387]

Thanks for your thoughtful marketplace approach to gaming consoles and the evolution of tech!

[@TheKcrellin]

The Switch IS a console. And also a handheld. It is both at the same time, and redeemed the promise that the WiiU made but didn't have powerful enough technology to pull off. My son has a Switch that never leaves its TV or dock. He uses it just like . . . a console!

[@kieranparte8966]

The switch is saving consoles

[@noobbotgaming2173]

The Switch sucks. The Switch is a perfect example of why consoles are in decline. Why should I buy a device that I only use a couple times in a month, at best, to play a game that's forced to be exclusive? I have a Switch, a PS5 and a PC. Guess which one I use more often? THE PC OF COURSE! I can surf the internet. I can write documents and emails. I can game. PC is as close to one-size-fits-all you can get. When the experience, graphical, framerate and aiming is inferior on a console it's not rocket science I gravitate towards my PC. Palworld proves NintenDon't needs to bring Pokemon to PC and forget exclusivity. Pokemon is actually perfect for a PC experience. I would rather play Pokemon with mouse and keyboard. A sexy curved 1440P high refresh rate monitor. The PS5 and Series X are very close to a PC with 2020 hardware. And at least there's FSR upscaling to mimic 1440p and have a consistent 60 FPS experience. But for games where I need to aim I still prefer mouse and keyboard. Which leaves the games I play on console to Souls-likes. Which I can also play on PC.

[@joebudd6716]

@@noobbotgaming2173 some people have lives and like to go out

[@tonyg5597]

Totally agree.....I never use the Switch as a handheld, never ever and the creator saying that it's excluded from his argument is disingenuous....

[@BossOfAllTrades]

​@@noobbotgaming2173You can connect a mouse and keyboard to a ps5

[@SRJplayGAMES]

I am a PC gamer but when it comes to consoles I truly don't wish for it to die out, since me myself grew up with consoles and have a lot of memories from it.

[@jaxx1360]

They’re not dying out the guy who made this video doesn’t know what he’s talking about

[@fausthanos08]

​@@jaxx1360did you even watch the video?

[@linkvegeta2]

​@fausthanos08 did you?

[@fausthanos08]

@@linkvegeta2 yes, i did, watched the whole video

[@dawienel1142]

@@jaxx1360 So tell us why he doesn't know what he's talking about, simply stating something with no good reasoning does little to give any weight to your words.

[@coganaj]

Moreover, certain genres of video games, such as automation, factory, and city builder games, don't work as well on consoles but work much better on PCs, which have keyboard and mouse. Controllers just don't have enough buttons for certain genres such as automation, city builder, and factory games, although touch screen may help some.

[@Raistlin348]

Nothing beats PC when it comes to gaming.

[@ZealousElit3]

The Wii U actually had some great games on it, most of which were rehashed on the Nintendo Switch

[@mentalchild360]

Except Windwaker, Twighlight Princess, and Xenoblade Chronicles X

[@foyo5497]

I thought the Wii U was a great system. Just they gave it a stupid name further confusing casual gamers. Another dumb thing that they didnt capitalize on was the fact that just like the DS/3DS, the Wii U was basically a console version of these portable systems. I imagine in some other universe, the Wii U had a slot for DS/3DS cartridges. That alone would have sold systems. But Nintey does what they do best, being stingy and had us re-buy a handful of portable games through the Virtual Console. Weve had the homebrew community do with the Wii U what Nintey should have done from the beginning. Yes, through homebrew, you can play DS/3DS games on Wii U. just like you would on portables.

[@ZealousElit3]

@@foyo5497 Yeah, the ability to play DS/3DS cartridges probably would have been a game changer.

[@shaunrosenberg4568]

The thing that sucks is I enjoy playing multiplayer video games with friends and family where we are all in the same room playing. It seems like with this we either need to all own a separate PC or play with random strangers online instead of my real world friends and family.

[@jaybeam1466]

LAN party. I'll admit there was a certain charm about split screening games, but I'd much rather have an entire screen to myself, and my buddy have an entire screen to himself.

[@shaunrosenberg4568]

@@jaybeam1466 Except now you need multiple systems to play instead of just one. So it's more profitable for the gaming companies and more expensive for the average person.

[@RobotronSage]

You don't need seperate pcs all you need is 2 gamepads.....

[@RobotronSage]

it's always been that way, it's the same with console too. any game that doesn't have split screen literally requires 2 copies. On PC you can just torrent everything. It's exceptionally cheap considering you can just torrent everything anyway.@@shaunrosenberg4568

[@shaunrosenberg4568]

@@RobotronSage Still it just means it's more expensive for the consumer.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

Nintendo has also allways been fierce on quality. You buy a game that goes in a Nintendo and you know it works and is a near bugfree experience. And that is something you dont see alot anymore.

[@Vaquix000]

For a game to be called "Fierce on quality" it just has to be not very buggy? Seems like standards have fallen considerably. It used to be EXPECTED that games were almost free of bugs.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

@@Vaquix000 When you compare the quality of Nintendo's yearly releases and how smooth it usually runs i'm willing to say that Nintendo is still aiming for that high water mark of allways providing us with what you may expect when you buy a game. A stress free experience. Its something other platforms and company's should take a example off.

[@Telmarine55]

You’re right. A bug free game used to be and SHOULD be expected. But Sony and Microsoft have been playing with that expectation way more loosely than Nintendo as of late.

[@thijshagenbeek6554]

@@Telmarine55 I agree with you, to be fair and my 2 cents. I feel gaming magazines and shows should return on TV and score games not on graphics and storyline, but on how well it plays, how many bugs it has what has not/did come with the game on release. I feel as consumers we need to change how we look at major game releases, instead of graphics, look at cost, instead of storyline, look at glitches excetra. Because if there is one proven concept then its that people are not buying things if its known to be utter garbage.

[@highlord2841]

I want consoles to stay around because having a physical copy of a game on a console is the only way to truly own a game and not just the license to play it

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

Let's hope indie game developers, AA game studios, and independent retail stores will save physical media of video games because indie game developers, AA game studios, and independent retail stores cares about you and listen to you.

[@Mopantsu]

They are already removing titles from the online game stores. You can only buy certain titles on physical media like Drive Club on the Playstation (I have a copy and it's amazing. If only Sony would bring it back with a remaster and 60 fps unlock. BTW Digital Foundry demonstrated a hacked PS5 playing it at 60 fps).

[@vadnegru]

In a way, you could make a copy of the game installer from a GOG, but there are not many modern games there

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

@@vadnegru indie/AA games: Are we a joke to you?

[@Lilleh__]

While I don't think there's anything wrong w/ the idea of physical games, there's everything wrong w/ the idea of the companies running storefronts potentially removing your ability to play a game that you purchased, if that ever happens. As long as they make it so w/ digital copies your ability to download and play the game regardless of whether or not it gets removed from being playable, then that issue should be fixed. Meanwhile w/ regards to streaming games from the cloud, I hope that we don't find ourselves at a point where that's the only option for playing games, due to the potential for connection issues w/ the server the game's being run on.

[@wildruid10]

The consoles aren't going extinct if anything this "gen" has the rebirth of the handheld market with switch, steamdeck and other handhelds get inside the market as well PS5 is more or less matching the ps4. The only one that isnt gaining traction in the market is the xbox since Microsoft made the decision to make thier games into a subscription model.

[@freeshipping9643]

Nice editing story telling. B roll well put together. This is perfect example of keeping tempo. That b roll must of taken a while to gather? Went with script nicely. 👍🏻

[@powerdude_dk]

I see you reached a 100k subs. Congrats! very well done!

[@annaczgli2983]

I'm a PC Gamer, but I don't think that matters at all. You've really captured the subtle shift in thinking within this business, that not many folks perceive yet. Thanks for the video.

[@drdapper1899]

The one and only thing keeping me from selling my hardware and jumping into PC is not knowing how to gauge a PC 😑 It’s been pretty simple to understand if you want to buy a console and what you can expect from it Idk where to start if I want to get into PC gaming without fear of being ripped off and disappointed for not understanding the hardware

[@Youjvwhw]

same

[@blazingfury057]

​@drdapper1899 the biggest hurtle after the $$$ attached is understanding that your hardware isn't optimized. Sure your computer is twice as strong as a ps5 with significantly more ray accelerators, but the CPU also has an OS, and that chrome tab you forgot about, and your VPN in the background, ect, so I see a lot of people wayoverspex or way underspeck with the idea being that "it meets the minimum" or "I need it to be strong enough". In the current market pre-builds are similar in price to self made so the easiest place to start is just going to be buying a pre-built pc bit if you aren't a techy person there's a lot of extra steps after this. I went to school for jt and still find the "I don't know where to start" to ve the most painful question because even if someone helps every step you'll still second guess the second they aren't there.

[@daniishere1009]

​@@drdapper1899 that's true, at the moment you can buy Steam Deck which is a PC handheld for console gamers. The Steam Deck might make transition easier as you might get some-what glimpse of PC software sight at least and when you are confident enough then you can try to move to PC gaming. Who knows maybe Valve will develop Steam Machine to address this problem.

[@SlimmCity]

​@@drdapper1899Start with a Steamdeck, ROG Ally, Legion Go, or the MSI Claw that's about to come out

[@kermitwazowski]

Cloud gaming is still pretty naff, especially out here in the sticks where 20Mb/s downloads are good. If you dont have fibre broadband or another way of getting high internet speeds then you are excluded from cloud gaming.

[@vadnegru]

It's not only about fiber, it's about closeness to game servers. I played over 3g on my PC located in the same city using Steam Link and it was fine for Tomb Raider.

[@bryanking1428]

It'll always be shit

[@ClearGalaxies]

​@@bryanking1428 That's simply not the case. Cloud gaming is quite acceptable under good network conditions.

[@bryanking1428]

@@ClearGalaxies nobody wants it and the whole concept is stupid, when bandwidth won't be enough during most big holidays and you will remember the service at its worst, not when it's good, even if it's fine 95% of the time. The main issue is most people just do t want it or care and many gamers are hostile to it.

[@supergodzilla5650]

Exactly, internet speed and connectivity are huge problems all over which makes cloud gaming impossible, plus internet going out and too many people using the cloud service could really bog it down.

[@schvyler]

You explained the video game market - past, present, and future - so well. Great video.

[@joseijosei]

PC became my main platform since the beggining of the last generation, maybe even a little bit before the PS4 came out, and all I'm going to say is that the problem with consoles is they became a scam. They were a scam for the last 10 or 11 years, and I'm happy that people are starting to leave them behind, even tho it makes me sad to see them being less and less relevant as time goes by. I grew up with Playstation.

[@dalewilson990]

"Consoles are going extinct" Reality: Sony and Nintendo are breaking hardware/software records on a monthly basis and making more money than they ever have in their histories. PS5 is on pace to outsell PS4, Switch outsold the Wii...console gaming has never been in a better place. Especially when it comes to AAA gaming, aka "real gaming". PC/Mobile have more revenue because that's where most of the soulless, cash grabby, microtransaction infused garbage are. It's only Xbox that is failing as a console.... Just because Xbox is failing, doesn't mean the other 2 are. And there's zero evidence of cloud gaming replacing native hardware, Microsoft themselves have admitted that no one is really using xCloud, and Stadia, which was the best cloud service by far, is now dead. This video was poorly researched and has no basis in reality.

[@crystalwater505]

It's because the tech for universal cloud gaming isn't quite there yet. In another 5-10 years people will probably be more accepting of it as it advances. The main draw of cloud streaming is that you do not need to buy incredibly powerful hardware to run games at max.

[@Slav4o911]

Nokia was also breaking all kinds of records when the iPhone showed up. I think most console players can possibly play on the cloud, for them latency doesn't matter much anyway. Probably there would be 2 console versions, one super cheap which will connect to the cloud and do some magic for the latency to at least feel bearable and one expensive with real hardware. I don't think the cloud solution will be for all, but it is true there are some casual players who loved Stadia, so they would "love" any cloud solution.

[@dr.ticklebum2385]

Amusing take. Just because you don't agree with the content doesn't make it wrong.

[@GamerzPro1231]

Ps5 is not going outsell the ps4 lmfao get real. Also PC sales for games at #1 for most companies. Capcom literally makes half their revenue off PC alone. Lmao

[@Keshawn-ib5ru]

@@GamerzPro1231ps5 already sold 50 million units only in its 3rd year,.. it’s definitely outselling

[@paulbunyangonewild7596]

The reason I've shifted to pc is because it's more dynamic and the games themselves are cheaper and now console style games always come to pc. But most importantly, because I want to develop games.

[@drasticdaniel4906]

It seems like the console wars is driving itself to an unfortunate grave. There are less and less exclusive titles besides Nintendo, and most people today can build a pc equivalent to the power of a PS5 but at a lower price. Exclusives are the one thing keeping the different consoles alive but once that's gone, there will never be another console war again.

[@scrumbles]

I can tether my phone to my TV, and with a controller, I can emulate any game up to ps2. Well, about 50% of ps2 games. Plus , can play quote a bit of modern indies, like dead cells, slay the spire or minecraft.

[@JackVogel2024]

The indie scene is the future of gaming. In some sense indie is the future of everything. Independent news, independent movies, independent music, independent science, independent gaming, just independent thinking in how to proceed with anything. Sure it will be met with hellish resistance from huge corporations, but indie is by the people for the people, and the people always get the last say. Even today, modding is on its way to overtake what triple a studios are able make in sense of gameplay, and with the help of ai the line between huge production and indie will blur, with the exception that one option will be free in spirit and be forever. Edit: haha just saw your channel name. Yeah, indie ftw

[@RobotronSage]

> modding is on its way to overtake what triple a studios are able make in sense of gameplay M8 this has always been the case since the beginning of modding..

[@dogsbecute]

@@RobotronSage yeah lol the entire reason for some pc ports existing is the mod support

[@user-channel_on_youtube]

Yeah sure. Indie games always gonna be good and made by people for people. Remember apple and Google was made in garage and now it's not made by people for people. Don’t give yourself false hopes, you’ll get tired of being disappointed

[@JackVogel2024]

@@user-channel_on_youtube you're not wrong! I was thinking of the scene as a playing field, not any specific players within it, because they will move on at some point. The tools for being independent evolve, it will make it easier for people to develop their own thing, so the flow of people to the scene will increase. Indie will expand as tools evolve. That's what excites me anyway

[@rawlvee]

agreed

[@mixey01]

I think the fact that gaming laptops with powerful GPUs are becoming more affordable has led to the rise in PC gamers as well. It's an all-in-one machine not limited to gaming. Many exclusive console titles are being released on PC as well. I haven't bought a console since selling my PS4 Pro and buying an HP Omen gaming laptop

[@Pengart]

smart move! :)

[@MartinKrol]

I think its more about the fact that people are swarmed with game entertainment everywhere. The market is diluted. Oculus wasn't a thing 20 years ago. Gameboy was a side portable console people bought..now switch is a main console for many. Then you have the rising costs, low availability of the current consoles. A ps5 was selling for 1000 a few years ago from scalpers. That's insane. There are many reasons why consoles aren't the only ones making money but the market has branched out a lot and that's just the new reality of the matter.

[@DakovDakash]

The thing is pc is way more nerdier and harder to understand

[@Pengart]

@@DakovDakash but of cause it is!! the same goes with Smart Phones, you DO NOT get Smart by owning one, YOU NEED TO BEEEEE Smart TO USE one!!! XD hoomans...

[@squirrelsinjacket1804]

I'd love to see a future where you can cross play most games together and the platform doesn't matter. The PC is still king tho due to the stuff you can do regarding modding and cutting edge hardware.

[@CathodeRayTube99]

Good video. What's the game being played at 0:41?

[@tomk559]

Great video! Really enjoyed it and I didn't skip a second of it!

[@RARufus]

I don’t think consoles are going anywhere, anytime soon. There is, and will continue to be a market for consoles and there are very large dollars to be made in related hardware and software sales. As long as there is demand, consoles will stick around.

[@mugthemagpie3001]

Consoles and stuff like GamePass are sadly the only alternative to many when it comes to gaming. If not for Series S, I would drop video games as a hobby as PC parts before 2018 were already expensive (unified EU pricing but Eastern-South Europe wages), but after what happened after 2020 the PC gaming became a business class of entertainment.

[@jerm70]

Consoles as we have known them are done. We cherished the powerful gaming machines of yesterday that released at a very nice deal to make us buy into software but its over. That market is dead. Consoles will exist as low-end machines that crunch games at the most affordable price. Things like the Steam Deck will take a larger share of the market and publishers will rely on you to provide your own hardware because guess what? Console sales don't actually help out the leading companies in general and the chase for the most cheapest reliable console will be replaced with cloud gaming for most of the world.

[@watchamigos1232]

The satisfaction of having physical copies with a disc, manual, DLC codes and case artwork cannot be replaced by Cloud Gaming.

[@CarlosMorales-tq7to]

Great video, thanks for the content

[@SormonAusPol]

Back in 2013 following the poor sales of the 3DS, Vita and Wii U all the main outlets where saying consoles are going to die at the feet of Smartphones and PCs yet since then both the PS4 and Switch have gone on to sell 100+million units. Their is something nice about having a dedicate piece of gaming hardware that I feel like people completely miss in discussions.

[@salem_ness]

I had a Vita, and I love it, until it died, and never got another one

[@TheZamaron]

PS5 and Series X are still expensive, but man they are way cheaper than a gaming laptop, which often costs $1000 just to be able to play games 5 years old.

[@fearmonkey]

Until everyone has a fast lag free gaming experience via cloud where battery life no longer matters, there will be a console. Even then, here will be a need for a not always online gaming solution. Im more afraid of the consolidation of the gaming devs and publishers, which could kill gaming if only profit via subscription becomes the norm.

[@casrogue]

Lag in only an issue for PvP games ... any other 1p game the lag is not even an issue!

[@fearmonkey]

@@casrogue not quite there yet regarding streaming, playable yes, but even the best services dont have the same feeling and image quality as playing locally, and ive tried them all.

[@RobotronSage]

All of the above is literally irrelevant to pc gaming

[@RobotronSage]

>gaming experience via cloud This is actually the worst case scenario

[@noppornwongrassamee8941]

Consoles have never made sense to me. I've always preferred PCs for their versatility. And I've always thought of the X-Box as "an artificially limited PC" due to who made it.

[@CB-py1xh]

If you like gaming at a desk, on an office chair with mouse and keyboard, like you are at work that is. And tbh what I dont like about PCs is how chaotic they are. A mess out of random hardware and software pieces without standardization and optimization - without gurantees that a huge library of games and other apps runs perfectly and without issue on x million PC units no questions asked.

[@user-sv8lr8kq9i]

"Why consoles are going extinct" as almost everyone i know has 1 - 3 consoles in their house.

[@gizz612]

I bought a gamecube a few months ago. Playing games that I never owned as a kid. I am having the time of my life.

[@snuffeldjuret]

one day I'll play Chrono Trigger on Super Nintendo (emulator) :)

[@LadyOfTheEdits]

Aww cute. Do enjoy ❤

[@HumbertLogan]

I have a GameCube in my computer with PS4 controller. Is already hybrid .and I like it gives you access what you didn't have access before.hybrid gaming is the future.

[@DaRealSonic]

Did the same with a Ps2

[@darkhorse29-yx8qh]

Game cube was the best

[@117johnpar]

Man, this makes me nostalgic for the other 5 times a bunch of people said consoles were going to die out. first with handhelds, then with phones, then with tablets, then with PCs, Then with PC consoles, And now with streaming.

[@bekhele]

if you paid attention, the vid doesnt say its going to die out completely he is even convinced its going to stay, but the pivotal shift of the market is evolving to cloud and that is 100% what is happening, consoles will exist, but they will be lesser relevant

[@Hynotama]

The irony is that we already had Stadia and it was like a fart in the wind. Game streaming just can’t be as reliable or consistent as running a program natively. I am however concerned with how many idiots are embracing garbage subscription services and rent their games.

[@seanpalmer3982]

@@Hynotama exactly. The people who want consoles and play enough to spend hundreds of $ on games arent the type to bend that easily.

[@jensenraylight8011]

what hardward did Microsoft use to serve their game for Streaming? you're right, it's using Xbox for their streaming server. Therefore, console will still be there, but, now it live in your fav Company server room instead of your living room

[@kodaloid]

I was with you until you said the switch isn't a console. It's a hybrid yea, but if the wii u is a console, then so is the switch.

[@Poonkyz]

I stop buying games when my physical games need to be updated to play. After a few years I moved on to steam

[@im_that_guy]

Do not let consoles or discs die. Companies salivate the day they can sell you overpriced digital games you'll never have control over, resell or lend to your friends.

[@rhuttrho88]

Exactly! It's deeper than that though. Communist take over attempt. Seriously. They are part of the "Great reset." Everyone better wake up!

[@OnlySayori]

consoles WON'T die cause there'll still be a market for it cause plenty of people are going to still want it, videos like this are just made to make other's worry for no true reason

[@nohudi9119]

I don't think consoles will die anytime soon ...look how the ps 5 sold the first 2 years it kept selling out .....they just need to make more games to keep the consoles selling....

[@im_that_guy]

@@OnlySayorilook at the Xbox One S. They're already trying to push people away from owning physical copies

[@peegeeyay]

You act like piracy dosent exist

[@MrRyanwojcik]

Consoles will never die, because there’s millions of people out there (myself included) who simply don’t want to play games on PC and prefer the console experience. Trends such as subscriptions and cloud gaming may become more prevalent but console gaming will not go away. You should also promote the survival of console gaming because it leads into game preservation and more ways to play. Really enjoy the channel, but you’re missing the mark on this one.

[@whitygoose]

what if valve make an open console (steam deck is an open console)? will you buy PS, XBOX or STEAM?

[@TheMahayanist]

Consoles will never die, just like arcade will never die. But consoles will continue to lose their prominence.

[@Xfushion2]

And there's more millions that prefer to play on mobile, there's a reason why every AAA company is trying to get into the mobile market despite them used to focus on consoles exclusively. The second someone releases a mobile phone with the same power as a console that market is over and considering how things are progressing fast I'd say it will happen sooner than later. Also most of game preservation is done on PC.

[@jebreggie4225]

How does promoting modern consoles lead to game preservation. Most of the effort to preserve games is done as a community effort. Even if the new consoles flopped people would still try to preserve games. Look at the wii u or ps vita for an example of what a console flopping looks like. Normally companies port alot of the big games if the console it released on failed, and all the trash or hidden gems are left to collectors and the emulation community. its like how sony has rereleased god of war or ratchet and clank alot but you still cant play many ps2 games on ps5

[@soliunasmIReturns]

@@Xfushion2 I don't get how everyone pushes mobile as some sort of viable competitor to console gaming let alone a replacement. Are people delusional? Do you not play video games at all and just get told stuff by investors so you have to push this narrative? AAA companies are trying to get into the mobile market because they want the whales and this is also why companies like Sony want that sweet sweet Shark Card money with their own games which is why they've invested in GaaS/Live Service console games. These mobile games are nearly always F2P microtransaction fests that prey on the mentally vulnerable and aren't very interesting if you aren't paying money in the long run. They are not making New Super Mario Brothers, Metroid Prime, Ghost of Tsushima, or Halo on phones, they are making Super Mario Run, Uncharted: Drake's Pursuit, Animal Crossing: Pocket Camp, and Halo: Spartan Assault. Massively dumbed down versions of games that are tailored specifically to mobile and have none of the charm of the actual console games that made them popular in the first place. Look at how neutered Mario Kart Tour is when playing it in controls and complexity compared to Mario Kart 8 simply because you cannot reliably perform half the stuff that makes Mario Kart good on touch controls. Square Enix releases remakes of their classic games and even original games for $8-15 but have you bought any of them? Do you even know anyone who has? Remember EA like a decade ago tried to jump into the market with BFBC2, Mirror's Edge, and Dead Space mobile games and despite them all being very solid and worth their $4 price they were all like three hours long and no one wanted to pay the $4. They also had the best control schemes that could be managed for touch screens because touch screens are one of the worst inputs for gaming with Dead Space being the only responsive shooter on the system I've seen that doesn't go completely mental at you moving your thumbs. You will never get console quality games because: A. People do not want to pay more than $1 for an app. B. Companies will design the game around mobile's limitations so say goodbye to good controls and say hello to touch controls. Assassin's Creed Jade is doing this where they could implement controller support but refuse to. C. Even if they do make a game similar to what you'd find on consoles it would be neutered due to mobile's limitations (Genshin Impact is a great example). D. Microtransactions are the primary way any of these games make money, not a single sale. A phone being as powerful as a console just means that it now has a terrible battery life and you're stuck plugged into the wall unable to use it as a phone with it heating up a lot and needing a lot of cooling like gaming phones have now yet no one is buying those.

[@alejandroalarcon9662]

I agree with the preservation part, but also the "console interface" is such a beautiful thing. Of course there are upsides of not having consoles, like not having tons and tons of eventual waste (in packaging and in the consoles themselves). But still, gaming interfaces and getting to own a physical copy of your games is beautiful. Like it doesn't matter how many pdfs you have on your computer, 1000 pdfs won't beat a physical copy of a book in how the experience feels

[@victoryakujisawa5528]

well i think you nailed it, we might find out veryyy soon about it

[@itsnotycf]

The problem with streaming is that u need to be always online, you cant play offline, so unless they fix that issue , i dont see the idea going far and consoles disappearing

[@MSDGAMEZ]

The Playstation and Playstation 2 will be memories i cherish when i was a kid. Christmases back then were magical.

[@SDoddMechDsnr]

Awesome perspective.

[@cyclonmaster]

The only reason I bought console is for tournament, esports etc.

[@DaoistYeashikAli]

Consoles nowadays aren't what they are used to be, unique hardware with their quirks and untapped potential which devs gets used to as the generation went on. Starting from 8th gen, consoles started to used standardised pc parts, because of that they lost the only advantage they had, Optimization. Nowadays PCs with similar specs to consoles runs games similar to it or sometimes even better due to the extra customisation options available. There is also things like productivity, steam, free multiplayer, mods, emulators that makes pc far superior and versatile than console can ever be

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

Are there any alternative version of Steam stores?

[@Lynn.-_-.]

​@@keeganmcfarland7507 epic games?

[@Mopantsu]

@@keeganmcfarland7507 Epic Games or Gog for games with no DRM.

[@Luhiner]

this has been the advantage for pc for a long time and still consoles are as strong as ever

[@keeganmcfarland7507]

@@Lynn.-_-. Have you heard of GOG?

[@mordercainear9573]

No, mobile is still a long long long way to be able to do what consoles can. Just ask Google Stadia

[@alyasVictorio]

Imagine we lost all our mobile game IPs over their stereotype "mobile game is dead" but they don't even tried to play those 🥶

[@emka9537]

Say that to asians mobile gaming is really popular there

[@Uotre]

Hand held gaming is impressive but the prices of phones that can run resident evil 4 and 8 are 2k in my country when a console that’s 500 dollars can get 60 fps 1080-1440p on the same game ,mobile games just aren’t good pricewise

[@Uotre]

@@emka9537all the KZbin shorts 9 yos playing garena free fire at 20 fps

[@Xfushion2]

Yeah and folk don't care, look at china where mobile gaming is the norm they all care about playing games they don't care about the specs.

[@BNWilliamGaming]

Consoles are my favorite way to play games. I am a (bad) indie game dev, but my games are only on HTML5 and PC because other systems are too much money to develop for. I feel MMRM would be a good fit for Switch, but a devkit is $500, $400 out of my budget.

[@1marcelfilms]

no modding no pirated games paid online services Gee I wonder why

[@davidste60]

Consoles were declared dead before gen 8. Even Sony were nervous about it. Then PS4 happened. Then PS5 happened. They sold pretty well.

[@davidknightx]

The only problem I have is too many games, not enough free time. I work in the service sector, but have a PS5, Series X, Steam Deck, and a gaming PC and about 100 games split evenly between all four. My boss has 1700+ Steam games. My point is, there's more money in the gaming industry than the entire movie and music industry combined. I'm not worried about what hardware we play on. I bought Xbox/PS5/Steam because the money is in the games and having all three allows you to shop around for a sale. The average price I pay is

[@dogsbecute]

we dont have the time to play because everything is a live service now a days and all games are competing with our time. I have to theoretically log into 900 platforms every day to claim my dailies, weeklies and OH i dont want to miss out on the one time cosmetics for characters i enjoy in my game thats time gated to a season pass i pay extra for! the gaming industry is a joke right now and it needs a crash, and a correction to the market place. its happening. we are witnessing it. Elden ring started it, baldurs gate 3 confirmed it, and now hell divers 2/palworld pretty much put the nail in the coffin. We are seeing mass lay offs at these humongous gaming companies. Sony straight up admitted their live service projects were ass. i have a cuople hundred hours in baldurs gate 3, and thats without being fed the FOMO that other games do to keep their play time artificially enhanced. Nintendo is doing FANTASTIC with their games, and 0 of them are live service. Sony and microsoft need a hit on their head, and im happy its finally happening.

[@PaulShare1]

I like your videos as the approach here is not about playability, but about business and the problems businesses face. Very educational. Perdicting the future is, as you say, risky.

[@godzillamothra5983]

consoles prices are getting ludicrous every year

[@AWideGigaByte]

Even though Sony opened up Cross-play features, they still made it nearly impossible for gamedevs to negotiate Voice chat features to be included. The Guns of Icarus developers had to have multiple meetings with Sony, just to enable both text & voice chat for players to communicate with each other through Cross-play.

[@johnsf.1634]

I saw the same video 10 years ago...

[@HistoricaHungarica]

But smartphones already killed not only the console market but PCs as well! Don’t you remember that the iPhone is a fully functioning PC in your pocket for the fraction of the price? /s

[@fybmsa14krishnaghosh33]

Where u got the background music?

[@coachdarby6934]

I use to love consoles but after PS2 and Xbox 360 in my fun collection, I found out handhelds are more convenient.

[@rolandobravium1873]

At the rate that the video speculates, gaming will be stream based where each video game company puts out a device or service you subscribe to be able to buy games. You already see it with MSFT and Sony, you pay for a subscription to get "free" games to stream or download. The console as we know it will just be different.

[@claytonrego3932]

These corporations are absolutely ruining the future we very well could have...

[@TheQuantumShell]

There is a tv show called "Travelers" and it shows that kind of future, and it sucks big time, looks like futuristic nazi world, where everyone is monitored and can be disappeared at any time.

[@avery.a5948]

He says this as Sony and Nintendo are breaking sales records

[@metalmajesty]

That's because people intuitively know these are among the final physical media consoles, perhaps ever. We're all getting what we can before we are forced to not own anything.

[@ryanpatrick4920]

xbox needs to exit immediately for the good of console games, which is superior to stationary PC gaming and small-screened and weak phoned gaming. Xbox needs to also abandon the video game subscription service because it is harming physical media, which is vital to maintain. Microsoft needs to just become a 2nd party publisher like Sega graciously did back in 2001. If Microsoft is compliant, then no doubt Sony will allow Microsoft a license to make an xbox controller for the PS5 and PS6, so that xbox gamers whose attachment to their xbox system is based on the preference to the xbox controller, will make the transition to PS5 easier, (being accustomed to the xbox controller has to be the only reason they are staying on xbox at this point). So once Sony consolidates, then console(s) will be saved, physical media will be saved, and good times will be had by all. I for one, look forward to the next big console war, PlayStation vs. PlayStation Pro, it will be a better competition than PlayStation vs. Xbox.

[@danissary]

People really seem to believe that Microsoft's eventual failure in the console space after having their 15 minutes of fame with the 360 somehow applies to console gaming in general. Completely delusional. Nintendo especially can probably sustain a platform almost entirely off of their first party output, so as long as they never put it on PC or the cloud they'll keep selling console hardware.

[@ayanokouji4080]

because bro how can u keep repeating those sales the ps6 will be computer under there controll telling you what you can and cant do and still having to pay subscription to play online switch gets a pass because there hardware bad and they have the most exclusive games cant wait for switch 2

[@user-ff6pq1eg8x]

If it comes to this it will be up to homebrewers to keep physical gaming alive and build their own systems and consoles.

[@RifetOkic]

Yes the majority of players are casual. Those who will go full-on cloud gaming or those who either play some single player or slow paced game, and the HUGE market of mobile gamers like Clash of Clans and Candy Crush etc. Console won’t die because the majority can’t get low latency fast internet, even those who have the fastest internet onboard the planet can’t proparly game online (it’s unplayable) Steve Jobs thought the personal computer would also be heavily diminished after the iPad release, stating they will be around, but no so many. Just like we’ll still have tractors, but most will use cars. This is not the case for consoles and gaming pc’s, the market has only grown and will continue to grow.