Xbox Doesn’t Want To Be Xbox Anymore

[@knowledgehusk]

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[@Ben-jl2rh]

Can you talk about how woke games are running everything

[@Cereal.interface]

yes o master of marketing

[@rocko7711]

🎃

[@demonkingdam714]

x box is still making money

[@kaydim5921]

​@@Ben-jl2rhYa, I hate it when I see a female character in a position of power. My ego can't handle it.

[@kal7160]

Who would've thought that 1 presentation 10 years ago where they focused more on watching TV on the xbox instead of playing games would kill the brand

[@zappbranniganofficial]

What's really crazy is they thought they were giving people what they wanted. A huge percentage of people booted up their xbox just to stream Netflix before smart tvs became ubiquitous.

[@GoHardDrive-b9f]

i dont mind buying a cheap xbox to use it as a 4k blu ray player. but most people want games

[@blank.e5plus]

It makes more sense when you look at the context of the PS2 it sold really fucking well because it was a DVD player AND a game system, but yea wayyyy to late

[@wikkano]

@@blank.e5plus very true in that age DVD and phsyical media were king nowadays? most young people don't watch traditional TV most watching a streaming service and you can't rely on those to be a major deciding factor in the sales since they are experiencing their own problems and also smart TVs are more common

[@B33FY2011]

​@@zappbranniganofficial I used it free on PS3, I wasn't paying for an Xbox subscription to access an app I already paid a subscription for.

[@kat-le2te]

I just wanna go back to owning my games lads

[@armadillosnacks]

GOG

[@Dracobyte]

Or Nintendo.

[@Lepidus19842]

@@armadillosnacks gog-games ;)

[@LolsTheGreatAndPowerful]

you never did even physical discs were in actuality just physically storing a license to use the product

[@normalplayer7377]

Same

[@zacharymccoy7091]

It would be interesting to see how the industry goes if the only console companies are Nintendo and Playstation. The best option is to always have choices, but less options will definitely be detrimental.

[@neoasura]

No, too many choices is bad, no choices is bad, but only 2 choices is good, that turns into hardcore competition. I remember the Genesis vs SNES era, and we got some of the best games thanks to that competition. And it's affordable, people shouldn't have to buy 5 consoles

[@quatsch344]

I have the sneaking suspicion that Geforce Now may in the coming 10 years brutally murder traditional consoles. I have an account and fast internet and the delay and quality loss during game streaming used to be bad, now I am streaming in 4k and can even play games that require very quick inputs, like racing games, without a single issue.

[@Valoric]

There’s room for three choices and likely always will be. Only two will be successful at any one time. Valve or Apple will jump in if Microsoft surrenders. Valve could actually succeed where they previously failed. However Apple is extremely daft when it comes to competing in gaming. They’re as clueless as Google.

[@fluffynator6222]

Those two are completely different markets.

[@ddl3718]

@@quatsch344 once they get over the stigma of cloud gaming that the stadia caused, it’s 100% gonna be a threat

[@boiledelephant]

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[@darnchacha1632]

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[@AVdE10000]

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[@henryblack9553]

@@AVdE10000 I kinda miss raid shadow legends ads lol

[@mikolajwitkowski8093]

Sponsor block is the solution.

[@hitkid2456]

@@henryblack9553 Ah yes, the days of its ubiquity. Those were the days, all right.

[@jdbk1234]

23:39 Phil walks on stage “I want you to think what if the Xbox wasn’t the box on your tv stand but rather the friends we made along the way”

[@AntEyeSociety]

.......... he actually said that??

[@virgovirtuoso]

The funniest thing about this to me is that Xbox gaming without a console is literally Xbox without a box. And now Microsoft can't call this idea X because of fucking Elon trying to make fetch happen.

[@Golemoid]

They will circle back to calling it DirectX again.

[@PLATINUM12x5]

Well why not just get a PC then, where you have steam

[@GusMix79]

@@Golemoid or Xcloud or some BS like that. DoA...

[@YoungMrBlue]

@@PLATINUM12x5because Xbox has bought out half the industry

[@ReubenModeXXX]

Call it XXX

[@caifrootz2537]

What I find most insane is how they closed so many studios yet kept 343 in charge of their flagship brand Halo, to the point where Halo is now completely in the gutter as a franchise

[@cousinpatsey2471]

This is a matter of practicality more than anything. They're going to keep developing Halo, as Xbox arguably can't exist without it. Halo is going to have it's own dedicated developer. 343 is the existing developer (though I think now they're actually just referred to as Halo Studios). In either case, they're named after the franchise, so they don't want to shutter the studio for press reasons. At that point, just try and shuffle developers into the studio, rather than give the game to another studio. It accomplishes the same thing, just keeps the brand naming and what not. Though I'd argue a huge part of why Halo has struggled post Bungie is there isn't one consistent vision for the series, which can only be made worse by cycling new developers through.

[@DD-fs7pg]

The thing is, 343 is basically a "shell" studio anyways. Most of the people there are new hires cycled through the years. Not to excuse the crappy company as a whole and the shitty management. 343 was always bad and they've done nothing to help their crappy reputation but they're all internal MSFT employees anyways and the rest are just throwaway contractors. They're not really a studio at this point and is just all MSFT.

[@toplil4118]

I don't think it helps that Microsoft is really bad at naming consoles. Every console since the Xbone has had an increasingly bland and confusing name. Call the next one something like "Xbox Pandemonium", people will definitely remember it exists.

[@JagaimoNeko]

… while at the same time they had really cool development codenames, like x360 is Xenon, X1 is Durango and XSX is Anaconda. I have no idea why they are trying hard to make their designs and product titles as faceless and forgettable as possible…

[@DullestStar9299]

I'm not sure why they didn't take a lesson from Wii U. Don't give your console a name that confuses potential buyers. Simple.

[@braixeninfection6312]

@@DullestStar9299 Or how when the Xbox One came out it was super confusing. Because the OG Xbox was also the Xbox One technically. Would have been weird but probably better if they did name it as people theorized. Xbox 720.

[@jensenraylight8011]

*Xbox:* Introducing our next Xbox Console, Xbox 360 x 720 divide it by 2, thanks to our Janitor for coming up with a genius name by the way

[@arostwocents]

Why they wouldnt just go 720, 1080 is baffling

[@hauntedpixel]

It takes a special kind of stupid to build hardware, not make lots of reasons to buy said hardware, then act completely baffled when no one buys the console.

[@ReaperCet]

It's takes a special kind of stupid to not understand the basic principles of the console market. (Printer/ink system)

[@TheAlex445]

They tried… rights to call of duty, Bethesda, and blizzard.. all big names can’t say they ain’t tried

[@wow-sham1300]

You can say the same thing about PlayStation, almost every AAA game that’s 2 years old that was a “PlayStation exclusive” hands been ported over to PC. The only difference between Xbox and PlayStation is how long until they get added to PC/ their rival

[@e-manyvelez7430]

@@TheAlex445 they bought all those studios and then made few games with them

[@hitkid2456]

MS doing what MS does best. It's amazing the brand has lasted this long, frankly.

[@chadisnotachad]

"what's the point of acquiring Bethesda?" Money. Now that money goes through Microsoft regardless of platform.

[@radroatch]

It's control, they are willing to take the hit financially if it gets them their monopoly

[@jensenraylight8011]

xbox is the gaming equivalent of buying the most expensive weapon and armor, only to realize that they're under leveled, and their stats can't beat the low level monster in the area they bought so many Game studios, only to realize that they're too poor and no spare cash to compete against sony, and the big daddy Microsoft won't lend xbox any money

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[@radroatch]

Yeah, as someone actually using online learning for Excel rn, that cracked me up instead of cracking my wallet open 😂

[@commandertaco1762]

Skillshare is grasping at straws

[@JeremyLogan]

These nonsense sponsor segments just erode my confidence/trust in the channel on whole. I didn't even bother with the other 20 minutes of the video after that, and I unsubscribed.

[@dragonborn7562]

He also pretty much copies other YTrs video ideas. Knowledgehusk truly living to the name lol.

[@eugeniaamariei8626]

​@@JeremyLoganYou can skip it but I guess it's a problem of it not being a good thing?

[@theonerm2]

The Xbox was really only popular, at least in the US, in the Xbox 360 era. The only reason for that is that PS3 was very expensive, and you could get an Xbox 360 for around half the price. And really the Xbox 360 played games just as good if not better than the PS3 did.

[@night6724]

And then Sony cut down the price for the ps3 and it ended up outselling the 360 in the end. If I’m honest I think Xbox was probably always going to be the third wheel just because Sony and Nintendo have bigger legacies in gaming but the market needs a third major player to keep competition I’m honestly nostalgic for that era. I didn’t even have a 360 but that was the peak of Doritos-mountain dew CoD gamer bros

[@braixeninfection6312]

@@night6724 Nothing beats that era of gaming imo. It was the best time of great games, great consoles, and no massive downloads on day 1. Back then it was just games. Not ads and micro transactions macerated as a game.

[@theonerm2]

@@night6724 I also didn't have an Xbox 360 at that time. All I had was a Wii, so I missed out on the pretty new graphics and a lot of good games. In 2011, I finally got a PS3 slim and shortly after that, I moved on to PC.

[@theonlydiego1]

As someone who had the PS3 Slim, the Xbox 360 always looked better in the graphics department. Only Sony 1st party games looked better because they knew how to use the hardware of the PS3.

[@InterstellarStarSailor]

i know it was included for a goofy visual but GOD i love Viva Piñata, i miss it. i miss it so bad.

[@Halcyon_games]

Viva Piñata was so good man I remember playing it as a kid.

[@cly_]

Can you not play it now?

[@zacharymccoy7091]

@@InterstellarStarSailor Either of the games on Switch would be legendary.

[@RohanSlazar]

Legitimally top 3 best games Rare ever made

[@ThwipThwipBoom]

It's not Viva Piñata that you miss, it's your childhood.

[@bit_ronic]

xbox has done so much nothing this gen that there aren't even memes about it having no games like the ps5 lol

[@WiseYess]

Even the memes despise Xbox.

[@moister3727]

One of the few good thing Xbox does is regional pricing, cloud and that's pretty much it

[@Spacething7474]

Which is ironic considering I don't think there's a single game exclusive to the Series X that isn't available elsewhere.

[@RERM001]

Game pass did work for a lot of people that play casually, but yes, this is possibly the end of gaming in the console market at least. I haven't seen any reason to buy a console now since PC gaming has become so streamlined it begs the question on why bother, at least to me.

[@RohanSlazar]

"Xbox has not games" isn't as funny as "PS5 has no games" because nobody expected anything from Xbox

[@gligarguy4010]

It will be very bad if Xbox exits the console space. Nintendo and Sony don't really view eachother as competition and will have free reign to be their most arrogant selves (as we're already seeing) which will lead to things being worse for gaming as a whole. Hopefully another company joins in (and I mean seriously joins in, not like Valve is doing right now with the Steam Deck).

[@Gandhi_Physique]

True. I prefer Sony's products, they seem way more creative and smoother. This said, Sony is a giant company. Giant companies have a tendency of being annoying when they are on top. Sony is no exception. (I do like the original xbox start-up and menu a lot though) Edit: To be clear, this comment was written with the intent of comparing Xbox vs Sony.

[@fluffynator6222]

@@Gandhi_Physique In no world is Sony more creative than Nintendo. Sorry.

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

The barrier of entry has not been "buying a console", but it will be "buying that console" in the near future. This might lead to some competition, as consoles might not be sold at a loss for the first time in a long time. But it might just end up collapsing on itself, and becomes more than just a shell as people move to other platforms. Valve doing it with Steam Deck is not a good argument for companies to get into console market. Without significant markup, Valve still makes the vast majority of money from Deck users from its store. Still the console business model of selling console for cheap and getting the bucks back on software, services and virtual goods, the same reason why nobody has joint.

[@Mazapan404]

Nintendo has had to deal with the mobile market strangling them for a while, streaming and handheld PCs are more of a threat to them than anything Sony could ever do

[@Gandhi_Physique]

@@fluffynator6222 Never said they were. I was talking about Xbox vs Sony, the two that actually compete.. which makes sense given the post is about how Sony and Nintendo don't really view each other as competitors. Also, Nintendo is lame and more anti gamer than Sony anyway. Have fun with your 497th Mario game. I won't hate you for it, but I'm not interested in any game from Nintendo personally.

[@Unprotected1232]

At least Xbox is grateful that Sony held their beer own controversies. This has honestly been a console generation where everyone should just do better.

[@fluffynator6222]

Nintendo's been like... consistently successful. There's been the drift but even that's repairable for free post warranty where I live.

[@Ehh.....]

The only winners this gen are linux gamers and thats more like half a W.

[@Dexter037S4]

@@Ehh..... It's still an L pretty much, as Linux still has the "it's only for nerds" reputation.

[@khhnator]

"everyone should just do better" while nintendo is printing money... again

[@bobtom1495]

Nintendo isn't from from this: Here's a list: Lack of ui -no fun background sound, not since gamecube Big ego Overcharging -no discounts Artificial scaecity -mario 3d all stars No virtual console -subscription only Spicy take: lack of inovation for series ex: mario and luigi brothership Spicy take sort of, but food for thought: being too cheap. It's ok not to be top dog in terms of power, but don't act like it... Pro console kind of -why even bother with oled?.... The eshop and endless shovelware Following Sony and Microsoft and paying for online, especially the Expansion Pass.... Spicy Take: The Switch being a home console handheld hybrid -while it is cool, it also kills the dedicated handheld for lesser experiences that were meant for on the go....

[@calvinchan8511]

Where I live, the internet is not consistent enough to stream flawlessly, let alone fast enough to be able to stream gameplay with low latency and no hiccups.

[@jjayala]

Not yet

[@KnowThatIDontKnowYou]

I'm pretty sure that their mobile business plan would enable the download of the software, so you don't have to use internet to play the games. There's already models for it like apple arcade or netflix, but it looks like he's not aware of those.

[@fujinshu]

@@KnowThatIDontKnowYou That would require developing and building mobile versions of these games, which takes time and money to do. Althought I could see Xbox replicating the Netflix model of supplying ISPs with their own game streaming servers to reduce the distance and latency between server and client, so that while you probably still have to be connected to the internet, the experience should be better as it's not connecting to Microsoft data centers, but rather directly to your ISP.

[@Bustermachine]

@@KnowThatIDontKnowYou That's literally gamepass already works. You download the game to local hardware and run it there. The appeal of cloud gaming is that you don't have to own hardware that's up to the task of playing the game, you 'rent' the hardware from the same service as the game.

[@Bustermachine]

@@jjayala I'm not sure ever, honestly. Keeping internet connections running at low latency isn't just a capacity issue, it requires constant maintenance, troubleshooting and upkeep by the providers, and game streaming is far more resource intensive than video streaming per user, which is already proving to be questionably profitable. In theory, for instance, Netflix can always service a customer from a more remote datacenter if local capacity is exceeded. But game streaming requires low latency to work well, which means you need edge computing data centers all over the place with plenty of excess capacity. You cannot load shift nearly as readily as you can for video streaming, which already requires much cheaper hardware to do anyways. I used to think that companies would rent out spare graphics cards for AI training during off hours to recoup costs, but apparently training large models rapidly begins to require very specialized, and expensive, hardware linking up all the GPUs to the point that it's actually obscenely inefficient to do it any other way. Game streaming might take off, but I'm not sure it's going to be able to achieve the primacy that video streaming has for a variety of reasons.

[@spartaninvirginia]

Im actually quite concerned with every major studio moving to unreal engine almost exclusively.

[@Samsonfs]

Halo is going to be so bad on unreal lmao, the early images look so bad.

[@ConcavePgons]

🎵 They're using Unreal Engine in *any* way they can! 🎵

[@fluffy_tail4365]

temporal AA and bad performance in alll games!

[@Zones33]

Thanks Fortnite!

[@mariokarter13]

Because Unity decided to tank their entire brand overnight.

[@imperfectionist2575]

My biggest complaint about the state of gaming today is how we've shifted from games being enhanced by the net to most games requiring the net to function. Cloud gaming just leans into that, and is definitely not for me.

[@luisoncpp]

Why do you say that "most games"?, that's not true

[@imperfectionist2575]

@@luisoncpp It certainly has been true in my experience. Even single player games for the switch where I've bought the cartridges needed major updates just to start playing.

[@imperfectionist2575]

@@luisoncpp At this point no major releases excite me anymore, largely for that reason. I fell off early in the PS4/Xbox One era. I have a backlog of retro games that I've been giving my limited gaming time to, and not needing to upgrade or constantly tie up my net.

[@spazco8669]

it's not aimed at you, never was. Cloud gaming is for the casual market not the enthusiast.

[@luisoncpp]

@@imperfectionist2575 oh, I get it, yep, it's a shame that they manufacture the cartridges before the games are stable, imho they should release the digital version first and the physical edition later once the critical patches are done. Still once everything is downloaded they can function without internet (that was what I meant about not being true), and digital games can be handy even for people only interested in old school games or just old games, as they allow more games to be released and some cult classics to be accessible without needing to find a second hand overpriced copy.

[@TikkaQrow]

When Helene hit the southeast US, swathes of the country lost internet, are still without internet. People can't get access to their digital libraries, and most games require 'always online' so even the handful of single player games won't launch because DRM. Cloud gaming may be the future, but it's a distant future.

[@MoonLitChild]

I'd love to believe that, but game companies as a whole are so short sighted, they will do anything to assure "money now". They want you to be online all the time because you never leave the micro-transaction ecosystem, and could care less about a 'little blip' of people not being able to access the internet. I guarantee you none of these companies think climate change is an immediate problem that's gonna effect their bottom line. By the time it starts to be something they should worry about, they're just gonna triangulate out people who have unreliable connections out of the equation. If you're too poor to be always online, they don't want your money. It's already happening.

[@pon2oon]

It's like they spend billions purchasing franchises, then utterly skimp on developing actual games of any worth. Like look at how little they've done with all of RAREs ip's, it's pathetic They make a good controller though.

[@boiledelephant]

Yeah. The controller is the whole deal. It's not just their USP - it's their only SP. But one can use an Xbox controller on a PC, so the Xbox is pretty redundant now.

[@Mazapan404]

Nah, Xinput is holding back the medium due to it not supporting Gyro

[@radroatch]

If you've stopped the competition then its billions well spent in their view. The idea that these conglomerates or the market will produce optimal products/services is at best naive

[@Notchjrgaming1269]

Think of how many games from Activision and bethesda that are sold daily Microsoft now owns both of them so they have more profit than what was lost

[@fattiger6957]

@@Mazapan404 For real. I recently got a Steam Deck and its gyro is a game changer. While still not as good as mouse and keyboard, it makes playing fps games with a controller actually decent. The little capacitive pads on the thumbsticks (so gyro is only active when your thumb is on the stick) is a genius idea.

[@vinny-g6s]

To be fair, Google barely tried to do anything with Stadia. They cancelled the thing a mere year after announcement. Hoping it would somehow boom instantly was just delusional. You have to endure a few years of loss until people know and trust your product.

[@jobo5300]

I think you are too focused on Xbox as a brand and not enough on what microsoft gets from Xbox. Why do these companies go through the hassle of building and selling consoles in the first place? Selling the hardware itself doesn't bring much profit. It is the game sales on the platform that they care about. And in thata regard, Microsoft seems to have a better solution than trying to compete with playstation: If you want the profit from games sales, just buy the game developers. And that is what they have been doing. Once you have enogh developers under your belt, the console itself doesn't really matter to you anymore.

[@2Good2BeTrue45]

Exactly. And tbh, Microsoft is playing the long game. The Xbox brand itself, the gaming division sells more than enough to justify it. Microsoft is not getting out of the console space because they wouldn't fight so hard to get Activision and still fight to get more developers that we don't even know about. Microsoft just recently hit 3 trillion dollars as a company after being 2 trillion for the longest time. They are legitimately a monster, their profits just keep getting bigger, they can absorb any loss from the gaming space and still keep smelling like roses. It's honestly Sony and Nintendo I worry about more because they don't have that nation and a couple of countries worth of capital just backing them in multiple war chests. The fact Microsoft could buy Activision like that for $70 million and it was just pocket change to them shows the huge gap in how Microsoft can operate compared to Sony. The problem is, Microsoft now has to aggressively make new games/franchises and that takes years (and theres no guarantee just because they green lit a project, that the game itself will exist long enough for us to see and play it. Some games simply gets canceled because the game concept doesn't work, the devs aren't talented or capable to create whats in their imagination, they miss deadline targets and consistently go over budget, devs and publishers have two different goals and visions in mind, etc. We tend to forget that for every one game that comes out, at least 3 games were completely canceled and scrapped despite years put into it) While we are waiting for those great games to come, they are catching absolute hell because they have to now play catch up and rightfully so honestly. They took their foot off the gas for a long time and had incompetent leadership and that in part was due to the arrogance they had due to the x360 era and the explosion of franchises that made Xbox the "cool, bro console". They thought they could no wrong when the Xbox One came around and they were greatly mistaken and needed to be humbled. Only now they are finally doing the foundational groundwork that they should have done 12 years ago in regards to creating new franchises, buying developers, reaching out to 3rd party devs and making sweetheart deals with them and not just rolling over and taking it when Sony wants to make exclusive deals when it comes to content, etc.

[@holymsophy]

The thing is, most of these people want to grift. Only thing ponies do is by Sony consoles and watch grifters on KZbin. (when they're not watching tronhub) Its not about logic. It's just grifting.

[@ramr7051]

What about Xbox live? It's almost free money for Microsoft. They'll lose that

[@holymsophy]

@@ramr7051 bruh. Xbox live changed to gamepass. That's why there are different tiers of gamepass. Keep up with the times.

[@Bawsakk91]

Well said

[@maux7767]

Man, Halo Remaster on PS5 really feels like the modern equivalent of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle on the GameCube.

[@Sandwich14-e9c]

It’s not happening

[@McKnighty]

Anyone miss the old Bungie Halo days?

[@aldo2529]

Yep, halo died in reach

[@GunzyTech]

Microsoft does a great job at longer term software support, as it's basically their bread and butter. Other companies like Google jump ship so damn fast on projects it's ridiculous.

[@juanrodriguez9971]

Which is weird since they kept running KZbin for like 15 years without profit.

[@Samsonfs]

Google actually has a good record of software support, just not keeping the products themselves alive 😂

[@GunzyTech]

@@Samsonfs I suppose it’s user bias. Google Jamboard, Podcasts, Play Music, Domains, VPN, Pixel Pass, and KZbin Stories are all Google software that I personally used that are no longer supported, were completely changed, or are now fully dead.

[@ender7278]

@@juanrodriguez9971 Investors are happy to keep something running at a loss if it's a monopoly since that has the potential for incredible returns down the line.

[@Samsonfs]

@@GunzyTech yeah but Google search, Gmail, KZbin, pixel phones ect all have excellent history of support, most of those have simply been replaced or killed, not still around without support which is a little different.

[@FleezyFliits]

Remember when Xbox marketed the Kinect as "gaming for people who don't play games?" You know, cause a controller is just too complex for the 'normie' consumer? So they just needed to make Xbox One require a Kinect, to really hook in that mass consumer market yearning for the experience of voice operated UIs and always-online gaming? I guess owning your own games was just too steep of a threshold for the average consumer too. Or you know, owning the console.

[@TrinSpin]

I find it fascinating that the Kinect has found more success as a sensor package for researchers and media projects than it ever did as a console peripheral

[@Bustermachine]

@@TrinSpin To be fair, it was a readily available machine system with stereoscopic cameras. Its less that the tech was revolutionary and more that it was a commercial off the shelf solution for something that was previously highly specialized and had to be built one off by every research team.

[@UltraSilver2]

"When everyone has XBox, then no one will have XBox."

[@indecision3835]

Incredibles reference. You're goated.

[@isaiasr7517]

Honestly, it's... Weird to hear that Xbox is (probably) going to die in some time in the future. Correct me If i'm wrong, but to me it's like watching the fall of Sega from doing their own consoles to only being a third party developer. then again, this video reminds me why PC gaming will truly never die

[@2Good2BeTrue45]

Sony would die faster than Xbox would. Microsoft has 3 trillion dollars and counting, they will stay as long in the gaming space as they feel like, they literally have play money and still reach record new profits and revenue, they are a monster Also people keep saying just because Indiana Jones is on PS5, that it spells doom for Microsoft. That Indiana Jones game is not made as a true triple A exclusive, it was built as a first person multiplatform title. If it was built like it was Uncharted and looked and played like Uncharted 4 with a team engineered to make an entire franchise off of the Indiana Jones games, they wouldn't part with it and put it on Playstation. I really feel a lot of people, including the guy making this video are very reactionary. Sony is bleeding money and even Spiderman is not turning a profit for them with the game bring 400 million to make. Sony is far more at risk not being able to operate than the 3 trillion dollar company that bought Activision blizzard with their pocket change money and defeated the FTC while doing it. Microsoft simply is just having to build franchises and games from scratch while having no real foundation put in place for years, unlike Sony and they are paying for it and rightfully so. They will get past this point but until they do theyvare gonna get that criticism

[@radroatch]

People are completely misreading the room. MS is fine with supporting what is a tiny fraction of their business when it is serving their long term goals. It's not analogous with Sega at all. MS has been investing heavily to now have the biggest monopoly in IP and games as a service.

[@Bustermachine]

@@ricln5464 They don't though. Microsoft gets the profits . . . after all operating and marketing costs are paid. The thing you're missing is that by owning the studios Microsoft ALSO assumes the risks if something bombs. If an independent mega publisher crashes and burns, it's somebody else's problem. Microsoft could wash their hands and turn to the next up and coming publisher. If Microsoft's in house mega publisher crashes and burns . . . It's Microsoft's problem and they're on the financial hook to clean up the mess.

[@nothobbesmufc949]

@@2Good2BeTrue45 The copium is strong with you.

[@luisoncpp]

I don't think it's the same as SEGA, SEGA did it very suddently and Microsoft is taking its time. Also, this video misses a big point: latinamerica, XBox has the biggest market share there (like 60% of the consoles are XBox there), and given the population size and the potential for economic growth it could be very significant for the future.

[@thatradioboy]

This generation sucked man, my PS3 kicks more ass than any PS5 or Xbox Series I've tried.

[@stevens1041]

I also fired up my PS3 slim from back in the day. Using it to learn Japanese in my spare time.

[@utarefson9]

And to think the ps3 was seen as dissapointing at the time...

[@ponyjoe6694]

It was a golden age.

[@TheHulk1850]

​@@utarefson9Because it was! It was massively overpriced and inferior in many ways to the 360. Everyone conveniently forgot all about that.

[@cacomeat7385]

The library of the PS3 is better but the hardware is ass cancer compared to the 360

[@bradleighb]

It's only a matter of time before we see Halo and Gears on Playstation.

[@halo129830]

Honestly I wouldn’t mind sharing as long as PlayStation shares theirs

[@hurricanemeridian8712]

Then its over with Xbox

[@josecano326]

@@halo129830sorry, but they wont

[@binshakbooga9238]

​@@halo129830Sony won't share lmao

[@Hugh-Jassoul]

That would be nice. I remember being a kid getting a PS4 for Christmas only to realize that I couldn’t play Halo on it.

[@gmgz]

I'll remain with Xbox until the end while I save up for a great PC

[@wikkano]

I feel that PC is where its at so many indie games and small devs you can mod the games and customize every little bit of processing to your liking I wish you the best of luck

[@kosio0808]

Xbox series x is 600 dollars. For a couple of hundred more you can build a pretty good pc now

[@pokemonduck]

@@kosio0808 no it's not... you can get it for like 300...

[@Sandwich14-e9c]

@@kosio0808Thats the limited edition

[@kosio0808]

@@Sandwich14-e9c I saw and thought it was the price for standard 2TB.

[@laoup26]

The issue with Xbox is that Microsoft never understood games nor the gamers. From the begining to now.

[@superninja252]

First xbox and 360 were great bro what you are taking about?

[@JagaimoNeko]

I’d say x360 was the peak of their gaming division

[@cosmosofinfinity]

@@superninja252 I thought it sucked even back then, so I take pleasure in all of this

[@Bustermachine]

@@superninja252 Eh, Original Xbox lucked into Halo as a console seller that made xbox the home of console FPS. The rest of their exclusive lineup was pretty hit or miss with some real darlings but nothing that would have moved consoles on its own.

[@night6724]

@@Bustermachineit was still a great console

[@LeDoctorBones]

7:35 To me it sounds perfect to call xbox dr pepper. Liked in the US but mostly irrelevant everywhere else. As a European, I believe I've tried a single dr pepper in my entire life, which was in NYC, and I basically never see them in europe. It's a duopoly between coca cola and pepsi here, though, local (cheaper) brands do also have some success.

[@drachenzahne9262]

I tend to like cheaper alternatives myself. that, or something like Faygo or RC Cola.

[@boyboilNEO9055]

No, Dr Pepper is bigger than Pepsi (in America) also I’m from Australia and we have dr pepper here

[@LeDoctorBones]

@@boyboilNEO9055 I never said Dr Pepper wasn't bigger than pepsi in the US, nor that it doesn't have strongholds in some other countries.

[@AMan-xz7tx]

Microsoft: "We are making a new console" Fans: "Thank god, new hardware. I was starting to hate this cloud gaming shit" Microsoft, about to release a stadia clone: *sweating

[@NamelessGamer29]

Honestly Xbox’s fate was sealed when the Xbox One crashed and burned at launch. Once they lost the trust of their fanbase, they never recovered.

[@alexschneider8494]

Especially because the PS4 and Xbox One generation is when people started getting their games digitally so there’s no way to to really get people to switch consoles now.

[@blank.e5plus]

Part of reason why Microsoft still puts up with Xbox is because they would lose their PC OS Monopoly, The majority of server-side Os are now running Linux, The only reason casual desktop runs windows is because there's games on it

[@theangrygrunt1481]

Also because microsoft killed any office suites in the late 90s-early 00s so companies were groomed into using only microsoft office with it's proprietary file formats.

[@SacchanK]

Xbox is the latest SEGA

[@gligarguy4010]

I mean SEGA is killing it right now, arguably the best publisher out there right now. Here's hoping they recover and become the latest SEGA.

[@Gungho73]

I disagree. Because when SEGA was crash and burning with the Dreamcast, they were still putting out games of various niches and trying to push the envelope. There was still a need to work hard, innovate amidst the disaster incoming. There was creativity there and a real joy for gaming to be found. They were willing to fight till their expected end, the type of fight Microsoft simply doesn't have in em. I'd think they are closer to Atari (though obviously not eating shit like the Jaguar was) in the sense of apathy towards their current console and a fundamental misunderstanding of what gamers want.

[@internetera1523]

@@gligarguy4010 Capcom has certainly recovered since RE 7 too

[@aruce9]

I feel since 2020/ 2019 or sega has been doing very well and are in no danger of dropping out. Xbox IS the next sega as they don’t seem to be doing so hot in terms of console sales. I predict Xbox is going to stop making consoles first and then Sony perhaps significantly later. Nintendo will be left standing

[@TheJohhnyE]

​@@aruce9get with the times. Console sales haven't been a major factor for these companies in a long time. They all lose with console sales, no matter how many they sell. Why else would both MS and Sony now be 3rd party publishers?

[@OnasaV-r7p]

*Sony is already seizing the opportunity of Xbox leaving the console market hence the extreme asking price for the latest PS5, in a world with no competition the consumer will always suffer*

[@bakedmailbox]

PlayStation ain’t better this generation either however no one criticises them. Both PS and Xbox could have done better this gen but gave us one of most boring lacklustre gens of all time And to people who want Xbox out, trust me you don’t want a PS monopoly. PS6 will cost 800€ and games will go to 90€

[@kevikiru]

I agree but; the problem is that Microsoft does not seem to have a sense of direction. And even though playstation is in the same 'lack of games' boat, they seem more determined rather than trying to turn a gaming brand into a generic cloud gaming software as a service. This brings more faith, however little, than Xbox who are just talking without saying anything in particular about the future of the brand. Also, a lot of people know that Sony is not a trillion dollar company with gaming division on the side, they are dependent on PlayStation so they know that Sony will not just drop the gaming console tomorrow to become a software provider.

[@bigdummy6286]

Nobody criticizes Sony? In what world? Do we mean things outside of their overpriced PS5 Pro and lack of console exclusives?

[@ericbaker8781]

Literally everyone criticizes Sony, what the hell are you even talking about?

[@radroatch]

Xbox game pass is the monopoly. PS is the new Nintendo.

[@CocoHutzpah]

Have you missed "Playstation has no games" for the past 4 years?

[@thatregiskid]

The idea that people don't know how to use an excel doc is funny but also definitely accurate

[@darrylthompson798]

The reality is Sony needs PlayStation. Microsoft is readying for the reality that consoles are looking less and less appealing with price looking more similar to PCs with every generation.

[@2Good2BeTrue45]

Problem is , Sony is bleeding money. They are barely turning a profit at all. Those Insomniac leaks told a huge truth that sony never wanted exposed and for good reason Microsoft makes a profit just by existing and they just hit over 3 trillion dollars as a company. They are only growing more and more exponentially. They are playing the long game, because they know they can handle any losses thrown at them, while Sony can't.

[@Bustermachine]

I don't disagree with you but. I also think it's a bit missing the point. Console AND PC hardware are both getting pricier with less and less to show for it each year. Don't get me wrong, there are some very pretty games you can run on PC at 4k 144fps . . . But I'm not sure how much that improves the experience for anybody but the most devoted graphics conoisseurs. Meanwhile, the guts of most of these games, the underlying logic and game world geometry, can be handled by the hardware in a steam deck. Because that hasn't been the bounding limit on most games for years now. The hard core graphics snobs are going to be annoyed if they detect even the slightest bit of stutter or graphical artifacting in a game over streaming, and the casual players, playing casually, won't care much if there game is locked at 1080p and 60fps on medium low settings as long as it plays smooths . . . which can handily done on relatively cheap hardware without introducing all the headaches of streaming.

[@darrylthompson798]

@@Bustermachine buying a PC that costs $800 is better than buying a console that is $700 and will in a few years not only be old but need to be replaced completely. A PC will age yeah, but you have a choice whether or not to upgrade and spend X amount of money. I agree with you on some points but it seems like the big point of choice and control over the actual product is being missed. Also sorry I didn't format this as well as you did yours. I am very high.

[@autobotstarscream765]

​@@BustermachineSounds less like an argument for the Steam Deck and more like an explanation for why the Switch is killing it, as the Steam Deck is relatively high-end and stronk. 💪🤑

[@MrMctuck]

Go to 3:30 to skip the Skillshare ad

[@arostwocents]

And leave the deserved 👎 for trying to get his audience ripped off

[@yan-rayiller-may8443]

​@@arostwocentsHe's just trying to make money. You'd do the same thing.

[@KatsuneGaming]

I stopped buying xBox games a long time ago... not because I like Playstation, not because of their push to cloud gaming, not because of anything like that. I stopped because I couldn't co-op Halo 5 in person, then a few months later, my xBox One kept going back to the first option in the main menu no matter what I did after an update, making it entirely unusuable, even after restarting the console and hard power-cycling it. Could have been the controller or the console, but I didn't care. That was the "ok, I'm done" moment. I may have replaced that xBox with a PS4Pro, but... I don't play it. I find myself playing my Nintendo Switch far more. I've just watched xBox's death crawl since then. Ok... I have bought an xBox game or two since then on PC. One for my mom, one from a company that got closed down for making a hit that I love (long live Tango Gameworks), one that just had a better version on console I could play on PC through the xBox app (without streaming - very important), and one that was very underwhelming and I'm glad I got for $5.

[@fireryfists]

Honestly, with the huge boom in the pc gaming market over the past few years, I’m surprised Microsoft haven’t put their chips in on moving the Xbox brand to PC’s. Now they SORT OF have, bringing game pass to pc to cash in on the huge pc market has gotten the attention of some pc gamers, but knocking on the door of steam’s monopoly isn’t enough to tear it down. Honestly speaking, I’m surprised Microsoft hasn’t flirted with the idea of game ready Xbox branded Pc’s. Sell a pc whose specs can play the newest games at around 60FPS and bundle in a year of game pass and Xbox cloud gaming. Sure this would switch Microsoft’s competition from Sony to Steam, but they could do it by introducing Pc’s to gamers at a lower cost. There are Joe Schmoe’s out there who want the simplicity of a plug and play console experience on the box that does their excel spreadsheets, and they also don’t have the technical know-how to build one themselves nor the knowledge of what computer specifications they need to buy a pc to play games with. The existence of pc only games like Counter Strike and Lethal Company extrapolate this demand.

[@Me-eb3wv]

Yup

[@zappbranniganofficial]

I think this would run into the problems MS had with Office back in the day, when they got sued and fined to hell and back. Partnering with PC makers to sell branded PCs that boot into the Xbox App would be seen as anti competitive, for trying to compete with Steam lol.

[@radroatch]

That doesn't align with their goals. It's all about Game Pass for them. If you're a casual they want you to pick up a console, which hardware to graphics is more affordable. Or to get consumers to use existing MS laptops or PCs, better yet if they can get them to cloud game in the long term.

[@fireryfists]

@@zappbranniganofficial that’s a hard sell noticing that steam has a monopoly in the pc gaming market as it is.

[@fireryfists]

@@radroatch the problem with game pass is that no one wants it who doesn’t already have an Xbox. To get people to switch to using game pass, they need to bundle it with something that people want, and the market has swung in the direction of wanting pc’s. Xbox has in my opinion the greatest opportunity here to compete with Steam. The demand is there for people wanting to move from console to pc, all Microsoft has to do is take it.

[@Kamiuz]

Some points on your comments, and I mean like 2 points because I wont write a page on a comment. 1) Microsoft couln't shut down their new aquired studios to release playstation version of their games , because of a MONOPOLY LAWSUIT , and obviously that was part of the deal when they bought them 2) The POINT of buying them was the profit in 2 ways, 1 in the playstation sales, and 2 bringing all those studio games included in game pass pushing people to think to buy an xbox just to get all the games they want and increased sales of their console and streaming service Xbox is obviously making their way on to all streaming, way ahead of playstation, but will continue to make consoles

[@TheJohhnyE]

It's more for gamepass subs. They actually make money off of those. Nobody makes money off console sales, and haven't for a long time.

[@Kamiuz]

@@TheJohhnyE yes Indeed , and they will make consoles because the consoles are their "alexas" , they will change the versions of the consoles, like S and X , streaming with firestick and tvs etc .. and all coexist in the same streaming service , its really cool, and sony wont and cant do that .. they are to small for this gigantic plan

[@hitkid2456]

I think Xbox would be RC Cola

[@MelloWatermello]

Damn it, I can't believe my future kids will grow up in a world so alien to my own childhood that it might be unrecognizable.

[@TheHulk1850]

Welcome to adulthood.

[@santiagosalguero2080]

Recently I heard someone say something like "Xbox wants to be the Netflix of games". It looks like that's what they're aiming for with this cloud thing. I don't think it's going to work man... but who knows, back in the day most people were willing to rent/buy a movie and play it in their DVD or whatever, maybe with gaming the same will happen? But certainly not in the near future I reckon...

[@satevo462]

It's crazy to me that gaming performance is only get worse when all I've wanted for the last 30 years is better performance.

[@Bloowashere]

I honestly think at this point, the next xbox is going to be an arm tablet. Microsoft Surface but consolized.

[@tobiasraynie6558]

I think you’re forgetting something, consoles have never been money makers, the games you buy on them are, so Microsoft making their games available on other platforms makes sense to increase profit since trying to convince people to buy your console that doesn’t make a profit anyway is kinda stupid

[@GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket]

I love my Xbox, I soft modded it and upgraded it's internal hard drive back when the 360 came out; I also loved my 360 but I accidentally killed it installing a early Gligli Glitch exploit device (it was a skill issue on my part). I then graduated to the ultimate "Xbox" PC Gaming. The thing is if you can afford it, PC gaming is obviously the way, not because of graphics or hurr durr elitism, but because for the most part it's easier to play your classic titles, obviously now days that's a little less true, but you can still throw a Virtual Machine on your PC and install DOS, Windows 95, XP, etc so as long as the issue isn't with third party activation servers or something similar you can still enjoy the game you bought thirty years ago. I mention this because the entire reason I got into console modding was because I was SICK AND TIRED of my discs breaking, my Nintendo DS carts getting lost, etc. Sure you can have a disc resurfaced, but that does no good if someone sits on it... I prefer physical media with the option to make a digital backup, but to be honest like many I've fallen "prey" to Valves amazing Steam Sales to the point I own very few games physically. The nice thing is though even with the third party servers and DRM you can just pirate the game you own and run that in a VM or on your computer if you're bold (heck these days even in a VM has major risks). The reason people bought Xbox was IMO because of one specific game, Halo. Well the good Halo games and the new ones are all on PC now. Which was a smart move on Microsoft's part as they got me to repurchase Halo 1, 2, 3, and Reach (I never cared for ODST just because my TV was a CRT SD tv and it was BRUTALLY difficult to see in that game). That's money they'd never get from me for an Xbox title. Xbox\Microsoft's problem is they didn't renew the deal with Bungie and instead tried to go it alone, ruining the IP. I will never forgive Microsoft for replacing Cortana like that, sure a new AI is one thing but a freaking duplicate? Maybe kids these days don't remember the heart breaking end of Halo 3 but us real Spartans do. Cortana cannot be replaced she was unique.

[@XlPackratlX]

What you obviously missed is that Xbox has multiple relationships across basically all market demographics. Google Stadia had just a measly one relationship. And Xbox pointed out during ABK acquisition that cloud gaming can't grow without some physicality to it like selling it on retail.

[@Sol_00007]

It doesn't matter that Bethesda titles are multi platform. Microsoft still gets its cut either way. The Xbox as a hardware brand was never going to recover after the kiss of death that Don Mattrick delivered during the Xbox One reveal. Once Sony pounced on the opportunity and (most importantly) digital sales started picking up steam, the market calcified. A not insignificant amount of people won't jump ship to another ecosystem if they can't move anything over.

[@bobjackson4287]

Games, Games, Games. This is the problem with Xbox and PS5, 9th generation as a whole has been a abysmal failure unless your name is Nintendo. The real winners has been Switch and Steamdeck. You need a good library of games to be successful and neither MS or Sony have delivered, and have failed even harder on the exclusives side. Since games are pretty much digital now you might as well just buy a PC, all console is x86 based now anyways. Both MS and Sony went into the direction of "We can make a console that is as good as a gaming PC" this is how you end up with memes like PS5 pro that is nearly $800. Console's strength is not trying to beat the raw performance of PC's it's strength historically has been offering 90% of the gaming experience for a very attractive price or just be a very practical gaming device to begin with. Nintendo understands this. Inexpensive device + rich exclusive library = winning strategy. XB and PS have neither the exclusives or the raw library (Sony def could open it up going all the way back to PS1 if they wanted too). It's hard to want to spend now $800 on a console that most games are digitally downloaded and has a library that is a joke compared to Steam. Valve wins by doing nearly nothing yet again.

[@noahwilliams8996]

"If Microsoft ever does applications for Linux it means I've won." -Linus Torvalds Now they're developing for Android.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

They have been releasing linux native apps for years and years.

[@TheMetaMoss]

They make their own Linux distro for Azure, called CBL-Mariner. Safe to say Mr. Torvalds has his victory.

[@captainwackyreal]

They did release Visual Studio Code on Linux… which means Linus technically worn

[@antifa_communist]

​@@captainwackyrealvscode isn't native

[@KodiAdmin]

I just miss when gaming consoles were just about gaming and nothing else. This "one stop shop" for everything on a console turned it into an advertising machine for corporate fat cats. It doesn't feel like a gaming machine anymore.

[@illegalalien6542]

Modern gaming... SOMETHING STIIIINKS!!! -Scott The Woz

[@silvrsurfer]

Am I the only one getting hit with their ads? “Did you know your phone is an Xbox?” Boy if u don’t get the f- 🗣️

[@MrGamelover23]

Your point about mobile gamers not being the target audience is actually massively misinformed. See, there's actually tons of countries where it's basically the only accessible gaming device and games like Genshin Impact and other recent mobile games have really pushed the boundary on what even counts. Sure, most of them are free to play, but if you put all the games on the same streaming service, I can guarantee you that they'll make a ton of money because, yeah, a console is a pretty big barrier to entry. At this point, many people just use the Xbox as a Game Pass machine, so honestly, selling games to be played on Game Pass Cloud makes a lot of sense. Now obviously, they're still gonna make a new console, but they're also gonna be pushing this just as hard, probably because it honestly makes more financial sense given the absolutely horrendous sales.

[@philoslother4602]

Also, here's the most important thing.... The biggest market for video game revenue in the world is....CHINA And consoles are banned, they don't know about the ps5 or xbox, and the median wage per month is 400 dollars, so only 1% of the people have a PC. Now.... Microsoft has a great relationship with the CCP. They can easily introduce their xcloud service there and.....HAVE BLACKMYTH WUKONG on their service Here, that's how you make money. You target where the money is, and for gaming, there are essentially 2 major markets - the US and China The two minor markets - Japan and the EU There are no other markets

[@consolegamer8871]

I think if Shattered Space was priced at $9.99 or something the criticism wouldnt have been as bad. If they cared for there fans they would have made it free.

[@miserablepile]

SouljaGame console marketshare's gonna go through the roof once old Phil's out of the console game

[@lorddoma6637]

Its actually really simple guys I don't know why your making it so complicated. Sony controls the console market. Nintendo controls the handheld market. Xbox controls the cloud gaming market. Valve controls the pc market. Its really that simple lol.

[@von_blitzkreig8928]

Exactly this. I've been with Xbox since the OG and sold my Series X last week due to now having a gaming PC and a Switch. You can see where they're going with their strategy a mile away. Make Gamepass their focus, ditch the actual console, have Gamepass on PS6/Steam/Switch/Wherever else and rake in the licencing fees by being a publisher and not a manufacturer.

[@radroatch]

Game Pass won't go to PS or Nintendo. It will only be on MS devices, PC or console, and why they will continue to offer a console for sometime even if it doesn't sell well. there has never been that much money in the hardware side of consoles, it's always been about selling the games, and now it's about selling the services.

[@mtallmen184]

A future where billions of people across the world have an internet connection reliable enough to stream games through sounds extremely far fetched when most people in America don't even have that kind of connection in their homes

[@guttergolem]

isn't this like the 4th video you've made about microsoft closing lmao

[@leggonarm9835]

He's telling me he's a PC fan boy without telling me he's a fan boy.

[@ShadowWolfQc]

​@@leggonarm9835 PC is much better than investing money in Xbox though... that's a fact.

[@lfcmike12]

​@@leggonarm9835"Pc fan boy" nah that's just called understanding the superior platform to play games on lmao. Consoles are great, but pcs do everything a console can do plus a lot more. Any game you can play, I can play it on my pc, regardless of what platforms you own. And to boot I could probably get it for free 😂

[@Idk-z8z]

@@lfcmike12 you can't play every game on pc

[@lfcmike12]

@@Idk-z8z Literally can though. Ever heard of emulators? Lol

[@saligraphy]

I remember the time before the Xbox One was launched, Microsoft looked at the data of what people were using their Xbox 360s for and saw a lot of people were using KZbin & Netflix. Their dumb corporate brains thought that meant the audience wanted to watch more content.

[@autarchprinceps]

Outside of the US and maybe a few other markets, Xbox never really challenged PS oder Nintendo anyway in terms of market share. Look at the numbers of the old generations, this is not new

[@zebare726]

Microsoft can create whatever platform to put games on as they want, the only problem is that they have no games to back that platform up with, and thats the biggest problem. Compare this to Nintendo that have actually created games for multiple devices at the same time. Such as Phone, 3ds, and there consoles.

[@joshvanderveen5545]

I’ve been talking about the last video you mention at 1:26 and I think it’s safe to say now it was a fairly accurate summary. It honestly helped me understand the state of the industry and certain decision making processes better.

[@radroatch]

It's not true, MS is happy to take the hit and produce the hardware to push Game Pass. This guy is way off base

[@kendalljenkins9938]

Microsoft put xbox apps on windows10 about 9 years ago. They've been planning this for a long time. Microsoft owns so many IPs that Sony relies on, that the mere threat will eventually cause Sony to drop exclusives. Sony can't exist without exclusives. but Microsoft can exist without ever selling another console. Microsoft will soon push for legislation stating that "console exclusives" are anti-consumer. Even if it never passes, it will force Sony to spend years claiming that being "anti-consumer" is key to their viability as a company. None of this will help Sony, and Microsoft can do it because gaming is such a tiny part of their overall business.

[@novostranger]

4:43 jokes on you, but xbox has left Peru for 12 years

[@devonwilliams5738]

I heard a lot of people speculate that Xbox wants to abandon Japan, but abandoning some regions is a very bad look.

[@thetechdog]

Sony is kinda going on the same path with PlayStation. Previously they went from all exclusive, to just porting older games to PC, to porting games after 2 years, and now with Spider-Man 2 after 1 year. It's pretty clear what's going to happen next if you just follow patterns. Not to mention the PS5's lackluster output. Not to say there weren't games like Astro Bot and Stellar Blade that were excellent, but that's not enough. Not enough games compared to their older console output, and a lot of them are declining in quality while going up in development costs. People don't like exclusives, but every platform has them, even PC. Or that's how it used to be. Now here's the thing: I do not agree with paid timed exclusivity like Sony did for FF7 Remake. It serves no purpose other than screwing people over. But I see no problem if the company funds its own exclusives. Not a problem at all with 1st and second party exclusives. Without exclusives we wouldn't have seen some of the best games ever made. Why? Because companies wanted to sell you hardware. Companies wanted you to even consider buying their hardware over another company's hardware. So what did they do? Their very best. They put everything they could into those games, so that they can give the customer a reason to invest in that system. And that also lead companies trying to outdo each other. Simplest example being Mario and Sonic games during the 4th gen. Meanwhile... now that Microsoft and even Sony to some extent do not care about selling hardware anymore, or at least not nearly as much as before, and their games took a nosedive in quality. No reason to compete anymore. Not to mention exclusives help shape the console's legacy. I don't think the XSX and PS5 will be remembered very fondly. And at the same time, just because you cannot play exclusives now, it doesn't mean you won't be able to ever... Back when the NES came out you couldn't play those games on your PC. And obviously some of those PC games weren't available on the NES. But now you can, can't you? So in the end you'll be able to play those games at some point. I guess the most recent example would be Bloodborne. It's already a quite old game. Now it's playable on that one PS4 emulator, people are happy they can play it, but it also doesn't detract from the PS4's legacy. Tl;DR: actual exclusives do encourage competition, and now that they're mostly gone the quality of Xbox and PS games has declined as they have no more reason to compete anymore, the games will sell well enough anyways, especially if they can put them anywhere.

[@DrunkOrangutan]

Not really down the same path Sony says consoles unlike ms

[@DrunkOrangutan]

There is no reason to compete because xbox gave up so it's up to Sony And Nintendo to keep each other in check

[@DrunkOrangutan]

Sony does care about selling consoles tho there the leader currently since the switch 2 isn't out

[@DrDoggoat]

Something that you failed to mention but is definately worth discussing is that game consoles are supposed to be sold at a loss. Microsoft, Playstation NOR Nintendo actually make money on their respective consoles, The business model relies entirely on platform fees and the games sold on those consoles. Mario Odyssey, Wonder, Tears of the Kingdom, Breath of the wild, Those make money. The switch isn't the primary money maker, it's the digital storefront. With that said, Suddenly the whole angle of getting rid of consoles all together makes more sense from a shareholder's perspective. You get to make all the money of having a platform but don't need to waste R&D and manufacturing money on actually providing the console. by the way this isn't right by any means, this is maximum stupid but it's all part of the shift towards a tech feudalism where you will own nothing, pay for the privilege, and then pay again to thank the company that took your right to own things away from you.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

Gaming in general doesn't want to be gaming anymore. We went from affordable consoles with thousands of good games to overpriced streaming boxes with barely any games at all and even fewer actually good ones. This is what happens when you don't gate keep your hobby.

[@TheHulk1850]

It's more so what happens when your hobby becomes corporatized, corrupt, and greedy, but all the same.

[@pokemonduck]

no, this is what happens when your hobby focuses on shareholders and investors instead of consumers

[@dracvich]

Gaming isn't some niche hobby, hasn't been since the 80s Gatekeeping it is literally impossible with how easily accessible it has become over the past few decades The focus on short-term profits and pleasing shareholders who don't even know what a Nintendo Switch is has ruined it far more than anything else

[@Bustermachine]

@@dracvich Gatekeeping is the wrong word, and also a deeply unhealthy concept when applied to something as broad as gaming. But yeah, a big issue is absolutely deluded expectations of what a 'successful' game looks like and the fact that incentives are to make games for maximum monetization rather than, well, fun.

[@jellyfrosh9102]

@@TheHulk1850 not gatekeeping the normies is what attracted the business suit types that caused all that. Gaming as an industry was 19 billion dollars in 2007, the best year for gaming ever. the same industry in 2023 was worth 184 billion dollars because there's way more people playing now than there was in 2007. that's what ruined everything.

[@ThomasCuerden]

I'm just glad the Hi Fi Rush got rescued by Krafton

[@supernova582]

The bad news if Microsoft stops the Xbox industry it will cause a lack of completion for PlayStation and console players will be paying higher prices than normal and a lot more games will become PlayStation exclusives this is bad.

[@AutZentus]

don't forget nintendo still exists. Yeah they're not a big competitor for sony and microsoft but I'm certain people who go to nintendo over sony's playstation because of the price point.

[@supernova582]

@@AutZentus that's true of course Nintendo is a specialization company it's more on the go but not mobile switch for example This is where It's tricky you have physical games in game cartridges and digital games but there not so graphically enhanced Nintendo is a wild card in this game of company's however the tidal wave can shift if Playstation gets too greedy and Xbox is out of the play. There are a lot of unknown variables

[@supernova582]

@@AutZentus it would really be a David versus Goliath situation but David in this case is not directly in the fight It just so happens that David I mean Nintendo would grow in sales because of Playstations hubris that's how the fight would play out.

[@kevinalonso6338]

supernova582 You think highly of Nintendo, the same people who love to sue their own fans.

[@Bustermachine]

@@kevinalonso6338 I'm not fond of Nintendo's stances, but there's a dogs breakfast of IP laws that have to be navigated regarding fan products and it comes down to whether a company wants to actually do that. Nintendos solution is just to nuke everything rather than risk something getting snarled in court. And lets not pretend the emulator community didn't bring the pain to themselves regarding Yuzu and the TotK launch leak. It's one thing to be emulating 20 year old Gamecube games in an obscure community that's keeping a low profile. It's quite another to be encouraging people to pirate Nintendo's current flagship game while soliciting money for your emulator's development.

[@tothedome566]

For me as a PC gamer who sometimes would like the option to play games in the living room on my TV without having to build a mini pc, hardwire it across rooms, or pay for a console, it's not a bad idea. That is if they can execute it well

[@hanifarroisimukhlis5989]

Stadia died because Google can't make a deal so already owned games can be streamed, so people has to effectively buy the game (again) to Google. Nvidia on the other hand has _some_ deals, so if you owned one through Steam you can stream it. As far as i can tell Geforce Now is okay. The future of cloud gaming is play *already owned* game anywhere you like. Sure the latency etc, but if you don't have to whip up entire PC tower that's a balanced tradeoff. Combined with Game Pass, Microsoft _should_ be fine moving to cloud gaming ala Netflix.

[@GamerKiwi]

It's possible they're gonna pivot more in the direction of being a game platform and making the console more similar to the Steam Machine (with an Xbox version of Windows being available for OEMs to put on their gaming PCs with more gaming/performance centric features on by default and a shell that better supports controller and remote control inputs than Windows currently does).

[@superninja252]

i think the future is all the 3 big console brands be game plataforms, the fact sony is pushing everyone to login to PSN is exactly about that as well

[@mildsoup8978]

It's like the final nail in the coffin of hardware developers is confusing your customers with systems coming out too close together

[@jonmccown2323]

I believe Microsoft doesn't understand 4G is not powerful enough to stream games that require more data than angry birds. I live in KY. We have sketchy Internet. The infrastructure needs modernized to 5G which is instantaneous and reliable. The model Microsoft is betting on is antiquated. They will crash and burn and I'll witness it all. I own a series X and games. But can't play always because internet lag. LAG is detrimental to any quality gaming experience. Wake up y'all . Buy physical. Pawn shops are excellent for game deals. I pay 5 for 25 on the regular.

[@mauriziosquadrito3391]

A small correction, Pentiment was done by Obsidian, which was acquired by Microsoft separately from Bethesda, they weren't part of it.

[@tek_lynx4225]

Xbox is a waist of resources for M$ its last in a race bewteen consoles and been lapped multiple times, better spent on making a windows edition just for PC gamers, and actually offering incentives for them to not want to use steam and getting profit that way not to mention alot of goodwill back they have lost in the last 20 years with their bread and butter.

[@roborob347]

Microsoft should also work on making its games more compatible with Linux based operating systems, such as the Steam Deck and traditional Linux operating systems. Not only will this facilitate more competition and keep the feds off their back, but it will also tap into a rapidly growing gaming platform. The Linux desktop is now more popular than Chrome OS, at a 4.5% marketshare, which is expected to be around 6% at the end of 2025 with its current growth rate.

[@HeadsetHistorian]

Android has always had alternative app stores.

[@feartheoldblood7222]

People saying "you dont own the games, never have" are trying to be smart without realizing what others mean. Obviously you dont own the copyright or IP but if i have a physical copy of the game(if it has single player of course) go off the grid, (no internet) i can boot up that game and play no problem. I own that game(disc) and no one can take that from me (unless stolen) Yes i put alot of () thats because kids like to play semantics in the comment section.

[@OCinneide]

I mean this completely seriously, the fact that it is PS5 vs Xbox (????). I am watching the video and I literally don’t know what the name of the most recent console is. I was buying an old Xbox to play some really old games with backwards compatibility and my god it’s horrible trying to figure out what version is what. Vs PS2, PS3, PS4, PS5.

[@bxkxhxkg82]

It's only difficult if you don't know how to Google anything XD

[@tjhicks3600]

Its not really difficult

[@ricln5464]

That's on you buddy

[@rogerk6180]

Yeah if you haven't been following the console industry it can get pretty confusing what can be played on what or which games are better on which console. Especially xbox is weird with this.

[@OCinneide]

@@bxkxhxkg82 haven’t bought a console in years, went googling and it was really confusing.

[@mariokarter13]

The Cloud fell into the same "Future Tech" trap that hoverboards, flying cars, and even VR fell into. The idea sounds so cool and futuristic that billions of dollars need to be invested before the flaws inherent to the entire idea become too obvious to ignore.

[@rmorren9207]

I just need them to keep making their awesome controllers. I play on the PC now anyway.

[@DanHenry-v5x]

The Xbox System without a Xbox is like Runing a Taxi Service Without a Car

[@jimster1111]

remember when this used to be an alternate history channel? fun fact: it was.

[@Dracobyte]

You are confusing this channel with the other one called "AlternateHistoryHub".

[@rustymustard7798]

I miss that.

[@Revelationgenral]

Different channel, that’s alternatehistoryhub, they’re still around I think this channel is run by his brother.

[@Runch78]

the histories of knowledgehusk and alternatehistoryhub are crazy lmao. ive been an on-and-off fan of them both throughout the years and id come back to a huge change and be so confused

[@internetera1523]

@@Revelationgenral Tyler used to make history videos too

[@philipberlanda]

The series x/s had to be a success for them to agree to make another console. xbox doesnt have to sell better year over year. They just have to sell every year. Because over time it adds up. Dont be surprised when gta 6 and no one can find a console. Because theres only so many current gen consoles and you are going to see a massive interest in consoles when gta 6 releases. Also i think ths series s actually helped xbox so much over the pandemic because people couldnt even find another console. I think game pass isnt really like a money grab but something that pays off month by month you have revenue coming in. Try to think about in terms of how many people buy games and how much they are spending. Maybe they would only get customers to buy one game a year.but for just a bit more then can get a ton more. But the cunsumer has to spend more. Adding up when it comes to being a lot of subscribers. Edit: I thought halo infinite was amazing. Yes making your own fame engine is a money pit and not really worth it. So switching could be seen as a win.

[@FalloutUrMum]

I have my PC, which has an XBox app. Always was a Playstation guy. So I call my PC an XBOX now that Sony betrayed me with every generation. But I just own my games on Steam and GOG

[@justanotheraccounthere2014]

"Own games on Steam". Oh no. I guess you missed the reminder from Valve that games your bought are licenses. "Own games on GOG", no problem there though.

[@jonmccown2323]

Microsoft is backing out of the console market. Without doubt. I own a Series X and have over 425 digital games on it and 30 physical games. I also own PS 2 , Wii U, WII, 2 3ds XL, DSI XL, PS Vita, Anbernic handheld, Kihn Han retro console with thousands of retro games in HD. I can play my current Xbox games going forward cause they can be played Cloud, PC, Tablet, Smart phone. So I will never buy another system in any ecosystem. I'm set for life. With my physical DVD , CD, MP3 collection. Never spend a dime on streaming service. I'm set.

[@cozyapustaja8249]

TL;DR the recent acquisitions of Bethesda, Activision Etc, are to increase market saturation for Microsoft I think in the long run the company acquisitions will prove to be a smart move because of one simple thing: Xbox is obviously struggling with hardware, in terms of software they're no worse off than anyone else really. So if Xbox is switching its focus to software it makes sense to want to own a controlling share in that part of the market. Even if these companies make games for competitors it'll still put money in Microsoft's pocket. Even if players abandon the Xbox console they'll likely switch to a PC which will have Microsoft products in and around it, and worse case scenario they only play on a Nintendo or Sony device, they'll be playing games owned by Microsoft. This isn't just about Microsoft making more games for the Box©, its about ensuring that no matter where you go in the gaming market, Microsoft will always get a cut.

[@Bustermachine]

I think the issue is that microsoft can buy any number of beloved IPs. But if they proceed to mismanage them into the ground then they might as well have lit the money on fire. You only get a cut of the money, after all, if people want to play your games. And Microsoft had frequently been the touch of death in that regard.

[@cozyapustaja8249]

@Bustermachine oh trust me I agree they're incompetent, bungie staff were giving us hints of that since Halo 3. I'm just trying to rationalize their decisions from a purely business sense. it could work for them in a worst case scenario, Xbox goes under and then all they need is to just retain licensing rights to make money with less overhead

[@YdenMk-II]

In regards to the CMA cloud thing, the reason why the CMA approved it was because MS gave up the cloud rights to Actiblizz games to Ubisoft not because they took MS's word on things. This leads to the strange case where if they want to release said games on the cloud, they have to pay Ubisoft for the rights to do so for any game developed in the next 15 years.